#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 392

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:27 AM

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I love zeus with the rail

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:28 AM

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zeus with rail is pretty much the only thing i've tried

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:29 AM

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If im going special main damage, the zeus rail can be a nice secondary, especially with jolted

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Decent damage and applies a status on everything

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Wait a sec I just one shotted one of those blue crystal guys that had 2 shields with one rocket

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Im guessing the effects on the rocket bomb instantly applied and removed the shields and then damage applied?

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I swear there is they programmed something that looks at the 3 boons to choose from and eliminates the most helpful one...

brisk island Feb 5, 2020, 10:58 AM

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l think chariot erebus more fair than this - two shields + champ "bad dusa" ,_.

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nevermind - 4 shields, champ medusa + two red balls with their butterfly army.

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 11:09 AM

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YAY first 32 heat win

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I knew the rail was the way to go

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 11:10 AM

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what ended up being the build?

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 11:11 AM

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Aspect of eris to start, and the chaos thing for the first biome

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the build changed since i had to sell of some boons

azure atlas Feb 5, 2020, 11:13 AM

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why does dad always beat me

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 11:13 AM

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but against hades i had the triple bomb and rocket bomb for most of my damage, dinoysus on my dash and call, lightning strike with the boon that adds jolted for the dual status curse

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plus 3 dashes and 25% dodge thanks to my boy hermes

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and a few chaos boons that helped in the earlier parts

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I had a strong dash attack on top of poseidons dash for most of the run which is honestly what let me even get to final boss in the first place

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It felt like correct heat choice and getting lucky hammers and not too debilitating boon denies was what made it for me

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Just when I thought I was starting to get over the game... now I want to do it with all weapons

shrewd topaz Feb 5, 2020, 11:41 AM

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Nice

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That last part about wanting to go back through, it's very true

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 11:47 AM

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is it me

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or can thesus block than's summon?

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 11:52 AM

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can he?

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 11:54 AM

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i used than on both thesus and asterius

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unless thesus ran out of the circle which i don't think so

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used it at the start

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 11:59 AM

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I don't know if companion damage pierces

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might be worth suggesting it in #hades-feedback

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 11:59 AM

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“From above” attacks (also the rail special), can’t backstab, but are still considered directional, so they can be blocked

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The worst of both worlds!

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 11:59 AM

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they did change Aphrodite's call to pierce, companions should as well

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 12:01 PM

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I usually use Than, either when Thesus is pausing for applause (when on chariot), or a bit before he calls for a god to help him (he can’t block during the first god help summon)

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If you call Than when Thesus is pausing for applause, you can usually lure the bull in too

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 12:03 PM

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welp that kinda sucks

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 12:04 PM

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I'm guessing you're playing without Extreme Measures 3, so Theseus starts with a shield

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 12:05 PM

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yep for now

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 12:08 PM

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I'd imagine than's should hit always because it's not directional

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unless they programmed it to be

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 12:09 PM

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it's a circle, it has a mid part

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 12:09 PM

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So you think it starts at the middle and damages outward?

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Like when he competes with you, his circle of death hits the shielded dudes

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 12:21 PM

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erm good to know theseus shoots bullets literally 90 degrees when he's charging through the centre https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270911855306866689/674590402615050240/unknown.png

ripe iron Feb 5, 2020, 12:25 PM

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Hey who has a screenie of a cool fish from the game?

manic ermine Feb 5, 2020, 12:25 PM

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Heroic killing freeze and chill is almost cheating

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 12:26 PM

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here's a better one featuring me dodging the first one like a good boy and theseus correcting like a lunatic https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270911855306866689/674591633878155266/vlcsnap-2020-02-05-22h55m00s517_2.png

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i swear elysium is the biggest load of jank ever and it's killin ~~this game~~ my enjoyment

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@ripe iron any fish?

ripe iron Feb 5, 2020, 12:28 PM

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a cute wun :}

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But sure, any is cool!

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pref in 128x128 if convenient

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 12:37 PM

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here's a cute wun https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270911855306866689/674594292546666517/fishie.png

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 12:38 PM

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that's not scuffer smh

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 12:38 PM

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which one is scuffer

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oh the wiki has them all anyway https://hades.gamepedia.com/Fishing

Hades Wiki

Fishing

Fishing is a minigame available throughout the underworld in various places available after purchasing a Fishing Rod from the House Contractor. After casting the fishing rod, the goal is to press the fishing action button again when the sinker bobs down and emits a shining ef...

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 12:39 PM

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that's a scuffer

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https://i.imgur.com/NXDPNUH.jpg

Imgur

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 12:40 PM

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That is a Scuffer.

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 12:40 PM

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🐡

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 12:40 PM

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I like the Scyllascion

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 12:42 PM

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oh wow stonewhal gives 150 gems, that's like 2 runs, profits

frosty pier Feb 5, 2020, 12:45 PM

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How unlucky you are if 150 gems are profit for 2 runs?

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 12:48 PM

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buying infernal trove into darkness, that kind of unlucky of course

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 1:06 PM

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Wow guan yu spin attack damage is no joke

untold quiver Feb 5, 2020, 1:09 PM

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Yeah given how much Guan Yu changes up spear gameplay (spear is my weakest weapon) I'm REALLY excited to see the other ones

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 1:14 PM

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Ive got deadly strike, as well as quick spin and massive spin, and with a chaos boon adding in another 58% on top of killing freeze and reliable double status curse, the 3rd biome boss just melted on 16 heat

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Super excited for another weapon and additional aspects

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Yeah, the Thesus chariot attacks are strange. If he’s slowly going vertical (from top to bottom of the screen) on the chariot, I just get way out of the way to the left or right side, because there have been too many times where he’s at the bottom of the screen, I’m near the top of the screen, and I get hit by some mystery attack that doesn’t make a ground circle

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 1:15 PM

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I hate the thesus chariot

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I avoided up until i tried 32 heat

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That thing moves too fast

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And I

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I've lost like 1-2 lives consistently on it if my build wasn't very strong

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Not to mention the many times it just shuts me down completely

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I'm terrified for when they add in an upgraded hades

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 1:20 PM

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We already have upgraded hades. He has fast attacks that are unrealistic to dodge, and lasers that glitch through shields and pillars

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Really? I thought it maxed out for the third boss

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well f that

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Probably still better than dipping into limiting darkness heat

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The darkness one should be worth like 8 heat tbh

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 1:23 PM

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I mean like, hades is screwed up right now. I’ve seen zero videos of people actually trying to avoid his attacks in melee. They just have the fight be a dps race, where they just dash like crazy in melee range, and hope to burst damage him down before they die

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 1:25 PM

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Wait so there isn't a heat level that upgrades him?

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He does attack at speeds that no human can react to, that's why building up a lot of defensive boons is helpful as well

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And his spin attacks do go through everything

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Feeling good, guan yu with over 200 hp

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 1:28 PM

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does anyone know if you need to exhaust all possible dialogue options with hades before he talks about sisyphus' contract?

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Well I know that I've had dialogue options after it

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i think there is a number of times you need to speak with him after an attempt

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whether you win or die

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so yes to your question i suppose

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 1:34 PM

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by exhaust i mean the codex must say entry complete

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or is there no need?

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Check sisy's codex, it should say what you need

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 1:44 PM

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?

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i'm already on the sisy quest what do you mean lol

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the progress is meg > hades > buy contract > sisy

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but hades doesn't wanna talk about it

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 1:44 PM

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hmm

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i only meant that the codex usually helped me in what I had to do next but I don't remember

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Were you asking about this earlier? I think you have to make a certain amount of attempts, win or lose, and he'll talk to you, although maybe its not every time

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The internet can probably provide you a definitive answer though

thick sedge Feb 5, 2020, 1:47 PM

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after I talked to Meg the next conversation I had with Hades was about it I think

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 1:48 PM

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Wow I've never felt so bad for hades as I just did that run

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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that's so fast lmao

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i think i've did like 4 runs

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no dialogue option

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 1:54 PM

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Yeah I

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I know little about the dialogue part of the game because I just rolled with what it gave me until I had done it all

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Pretty sure you could find that online somewhere though

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 2:01 PM

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can't find any or i'm bad at finding

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lol

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Internet says you talk to hades, then meg, then it will randomly appear in the contractors menu

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So maybe you're on the randomly appearing in the contractor's menu phase?

manic ermine Feb 5, 2020, 2:12 PM

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This is weird, I have a bounty for the shield at heat 0 after clearing heat 20, I have to do it at 0 to get rewards.

brisk copper Feb 5, 2020, 2:17 PM

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Sure this has been said here many times, but still.. Rail with triple bomb and Deadly flourish from Artemis is just devastating. Thousands of damage per attack is something.

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 2:32 PM

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i haven't talked to hades yet i think

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there's no dialogue about sisyphus with hades

thick sedge Feb 5, 2020, 2:33 PM

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I've had two hera + festive fog runs in a row!

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it's too good

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 2:52 PM

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@brisk copper yeah i got my first 32 heat with rail using a similar combo

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 2:57 PM

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can you level up vengeful mood with poms?

naive cobalt Feb 5, 2020, 3:01 PM

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I don't think so

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 3:02 PM

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i will be using ares today strictly because my friend loves him a lot
everybody pray that vicious cycle shows up

rotund wagon Feb 5, 2020, 3:10 PM

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rule of thumb is you cant level up legendary and duo boons

gloomy vine Feb 5, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Rule of thumb? So there are some which you can level up?

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 3:17 PM

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by rarity yes

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unless heroic

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wait nvm

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misread the question lol

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by rarirty you can level up only normal, rare and epic.
Leveling the effect of boons can be done on normal, rare, epic and heroic. Legendary and Duos are unchangeable.

pastel jolt Feb 5, 2020, 3:20 PM

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there are some 'regular' boons that can't be upgraded with poms but i can't remember them off the top of my head

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urge to kill used to be un-pommable but that was changed, that's the only one i remember

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 3:20 PM

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time to look at the wiki and try and guess which is it is probably

pastel jolt Feb 5, 2020, 3:21 PM

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wiki may or may not be up to date

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 3:21 PM

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because I for sure remember most of the ones that give specific percent they are changeable.

pastel jolt Feb 5, 2020, 3:21 PM

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i've been letting it slide a lot lately due to real life issues

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 3:22 PM

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flurry slash + cursed slash is actually a combo lmao

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 3:24 PM

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is it possible to get triple bomb together with hazard bomb?

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 3:26 PM

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reminder there is no more triple bomb atm, but five bomb.

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 3:26 PM

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nope both exist

unkempt pagoda Feb 5, 2020, 3:26 PM

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triple bomb still exists

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 3:27 PM

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did I read the patch notes wrong again? i swear I remember reading something along the lines of removal of tripple bomb for the time being. sweating

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 3:27 PM

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i recently did a triple bomb rail

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don't think it's removed?

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 3:28 PM

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i got both triple bomb and hazard bomb offered for my first hammer, picked the hazard and was hoping to get the other with 2nd if possible still

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so i definitely saw it just now

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 3:28 PM

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okay yeah I am being dumb. I should really play Hades more to be more up to date.

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 3:30 PM

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also i think someone said it was possible to use dash i-frames with eris and hazard bomb to get the buff without taking damage

manic ermine Feb 5, 2020, 3:31 PM

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You can, but not if you have athena dash

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 3:31 PM

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i cant seem to get that - so its either not possible anymore

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oh thats it then

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thanks

manic ermine Feb 5, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Athena invinciblity negates eris

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 3:32 PM

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huh, first time got offered double replacements

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do you need to purchase more stuff in the contractor before sisyphus' contract comes up, or is it just random?

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 3:41 PM

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i thought it should be right there as soon as hades mentions it?

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 3:43 PM

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hades hasn't talked about sisyphus in quite a few runs

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or at all actually lol

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 3:46 PM

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iirc what happened for me was after talking to sisyphus a lot and getting him+meg interaction the conversation with him zag eventually brought it up with hades and he said something like that contract is outdated anyways and zag could just do whatever if he can find the contract

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it would also sort of make sense if you needed to talk to thanatos (and maybe meg) about it

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 4:00 PM

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i already talked to meg

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i don't think you need to talk to than

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 4:01 PM

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than just makes so much sense with their background but no idea

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 4:03 PM

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wiki says meg > hades > buy contract > sisy

naive cobalt Feb 5, 2020, 4:04 PM

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I bought the contract before romancing meg, personally

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iirc

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Hmm or maybe I'm mistaken

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Huh. Serrated Edge is actually pretty good... if you're using Zeus attack

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That and it looks heckin' cool with the Zeus effect

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Serrated Edge would be amazing with Athena Dash, but as I found out last night it's either bugged, or purposely does not deflect while dash-striking

obtuse ravine Feb 5, 2020, 4:26 PM

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ahha Blizzard Shot is better than I expected

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I was at 0 DDs against last boss and I barely got scratched against them haha

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Oh yeah, I have that exact combo

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@tiny portal Does dash strike deflect with anything else

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And did you bug report or feedback it?

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 4:32 PM

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anyone knows what the bgm for treasure troves are?

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Yea it definitely deflects with every other weapon/combo I've used, unless my imagination has run wild

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I actually need to submit a report on it still. I got sidetracked last night watching Good Eats

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 4:34 PM

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I'll do it

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Well, I was also using Guan Yu aspect if that matters as well, probably worth mentioning

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 4:35 PM

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I'm on Zag.

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Exact same problem

untold quiver Feb 5, 2020, 4:36 PM

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@tiny portal i would think to have your dash strike deflect you'd need deflect on attack not dash

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 4:36 PM

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That's not what I have seen in the past with any other weapon but I will say this

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The extra frames of animation due to the 3 attacks, may be why you dont really experience with other weapons, IF its meant to not deflect while dash attacking for any weapon

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Like I said I wasn't sure if it was a bug or by design but worth reporting at least.

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In theory a dash attack should trigger any dash AND attack boons, but I have not tested that at all and haven't bothered reading up on it either

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Im more inclined to believe it only triggers dash boons though because combining actual dash-attack boons with +attack boons seems nutty

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It also seems like a bug because it would be difficult to code a dash boon not triggering on a dash attack since you have to press dash and then press attack, thus initiating the dash and instantiating the dash boon

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 4:50 PM

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yeet, got Budget Cuts out of the way, I never have to use it again

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/674658419935805440/unknown.png [yeets Budget Cuts into the sun]

shut hare Feb 5, 2020, 4:52 PM

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hey does anyone know: Are there certain boon effects that will show up only at epic rarity, but not any lower? I know the legendaries, for example, only show up at legendary rarity, but after 14 months I still don't know if there are other boons that have a locked rarity

obtuse tapir Feb 5, 2020, 4:55 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/653173587485786115/674659240215969822/image.png

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First 20 done!

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The game doesn't feel too much unreasonable for now

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not sure if I'm gonna feel the same if I turn on enemy movement speed+ or deadline

odd quarry Feb 5, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Chiron is v fun, especially with those upgrades lol

obtuse tapir Feb 5, 2020, 4:57 PM

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yup that hammer really saved me

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double dps = win

odd quarry Feb 5, 2020, 4:57 PM

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The Volley upgrade is seriously nuts

elfin wagon Feb 5, 2020, 5:13 PM

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@shut hare Heroic, Epic, and Rare apply a multiplier to boons effect at the common level and are the vast majority of the boons. Legendaries and Duos are unique and don't have this multiplier effect (I guess you can say they are locked in those 'rarity'). If it helps, you cna check the wiki

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 5:20 PM

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i'm impressed you did 20 heat w/o maxed chiron lol

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chiron feels not worth to use if not maxed

opaque basin Feb 5, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Hey guys, What is a good shield build?

floral creek Feb 5, 2020, 5:20 PM

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any attack boon with the double attack hammer upgrade is a good baseline

obtuse tapir Feb 5, 2020, 5:21 PM

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i don't have enough blood to max out everything

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so I was using this one

floral creek Feb 5, 2020, 5:21 PM

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strongest shield build I've played is probably Zeus with Zeus special or Zeus with Ares special + Athena duo

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Dash Strike poseidon builds are really good with base shield as well

opaque basin Feb 5, 2020, 5:21 PM

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poseidon x zeus seems very good but there's too many boon passives you need

naive cobalt Feb 5, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I think Zeus special is better, but Artemis special is also very good on the Zeus shield

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The Artemis tree has a lot of great boons in it

obtuse tapir Feb 5, 2020, 5:23 PM

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I think bull rush related perks make the shield a very powerful weapon

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it's offense and defense at the same time

opaque basin Feb 5, 2020, 5:23 PM

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imma try Stalled's build for my next run, thanks for the advice everyone

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I will try them all

obtuse tapir Feb 5, 2020, 5:24 PM

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usually don't even need the special if built correctly

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:25 PM

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I know the No Choice Pact is statistically a 33% chance to get screwed at one rank, but why does it feel like it's surgically targeting all the most desirable ones?

opaque basin Feb 5, 2020, 5:26 PM

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I always play with the 7:00min modifier, so I typically go Zeus Aspect due it being more reliable with damage output

naive cobalt Feb 5, 2020, 5:27 PM

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For some reason, I can almost never get Ares special on the Chaos shield.

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 5:27 PM

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athena attack on shield

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you can literally play pong with final boss and win

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actually you can play pong with any boss and win

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 5:28 PM

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just tried it out with the codex menu mod and can now answer my own question from earlier

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triple bomb and hazard bomb cant be picked together

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(i just spawned myself lots of hammers and got spread fire, explosive fire, triple bomb, in that order and the next one offered only rocket bomb and inescapeable blast)

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(and after i got these 2 the next hammer also gave gold btw 🙂 - same as poms without boon)

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 5:35 PM

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oh ok

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i think i get how to proceed with sisyphus questline now

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you have to keep meeting sisyphus till there's an interaction with sisy + meg

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aaaaaaaaaaaa

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also you can have more than 1 infernal gate in 1 biome? i just got 2 in tartarus

dim dragon Feb 5, 2020, 5:38 PM

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similar question, how do you get meg's companion? i gave have nectar and cannot anymore

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i mean i gave her 6

brazen lava Feb 5, 2020, 5:39 PM

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I believe you need to gift her ambrosia to obtain the companion, but I'm not entirely sure.

dim dragon Feb 5, 2020, 5:39 PM

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yeah, but there is no option to give her ambrosia

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 5:39 PM

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you have to wait

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 5:39 PM

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when you gift her ambrosia you get the companion but you need to unlock the option to do so first

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 5:40 PM

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just keep finding her till you can give her ambrosia

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 5:40 PM

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maybe its just talking to her enough

dim dragon Feb 5, 2020, 5:40 PM

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kk, so it's pretty much random

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 5:41 PM

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i also saw someone here say it would require you to have met her with extreme measures active and trigger these conversations

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but really not sure

dim dragon Feb 5, 2020, 5:41 PM

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well wiki said something about bedroom scene with her

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and that you do not have to have extreme measures

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 5:42 PM

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you should have extreme measures on

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at least level 1

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to guarantee meg in the house

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you don't necessarily have to have extreme measures on, but it helps to guarantee her appearance

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 5:54 PM

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hmm - i have been playing around with the codex menu mod a bit more and found something strange

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i have only been giving myself one god over and over to get everything from them

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for some reason i cant get demeters rare crop like this

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i got absolutely everything from her and now she gives me gold but not this

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makes me assume there is some sort of requirement for it to show

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another observation is that the more i get one god the higher the rarities on their boons seem to get on average

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(currently i have every demeter boon except duos and rare crop as mentioned - and all of them are epic[and the legendary ofc])

solid cairn Feb 5, 2020, 6:04 PM

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I’m gonna try a flurry jab build for the first time when I get home

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 6:09 PM

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oh im silly - the requirement for rare crop was just that it cant be in the first room

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wow - rocket bomb can be combined with cluster bomb - i always just assumed that was impossible and didnt try

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 6:17 PM

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yo @solid cairn flurry jab works really well with Unhealthy Fixation, so try and get it if Aphrodite is your thing

manic ermine Feb 5, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Once you complete bounty at 20 heats is it normal that you then get a bounty for heat 0? I'm at it with two weapons now.

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:29 PM

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well damn

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im having the day of my life

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Hera Bow run with Ravenous Will

wind vale Feb 5, 2020, 6:31 PM

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there are bounties for each heat from 0-20 for each weapon - the game just somehow doesnt really show the 0 heat ones but tries to direct you to 1-20 once you unlock the mirror

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oops i meant pact ofc

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not mirror

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:38 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408271949270220810/674685127225507851/unknown.png

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one hell of a run

brazen lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Nice!

final blaze Feb 5, 2020, 7:03 PM

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https://gyazo.com/9cc80ee081c7ce6bea4e65d9a5ea2aaf Sometimes the fates are kind

Gyazo

stone geyser Feb 5, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Just finished the game after 10 hours, can't wait to see more of the story.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:15 PM

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yo

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320 of health 14 boons 4 revives

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i think i can beat the final boss

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See, Larsyn, most of the time that happens to me I want all of them, but I can only get one of them at a time.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:34 PM

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I've beated the final Boss :D

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:34 PM

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i just ragequit. i walked into +7 heat hades fight with:

3 death defiances
309/325 health
lvl 5 (re: max) poseidon sword with artemis cast (+6) thanks to her legendary
each cast doing 210ish base damage
exit wounds lvl up to 228
demeter chill at 101 for every cast

i wonder if supergiant games made some kind of adjustment to the new artemis cast exploit

anyone want to guess what the game did after i took the first chunk of hades health in stage 1?

it spawned 2 blue stones which shielded hades from damage
it spawned about 4-5 arrow dudes who were sniping me like middle school punks

and hades took 2 death defiances away from me in 10 seconds. that must be what it felt like to get zerg rushed in starcraft (which I've never played, only watched streams)

Seriously. WTF.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Omg dud

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Im sorry

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I can feel your pain

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:36 PM

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2 blue stones and the rest was archers

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bouldy

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:38 PM

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I can't imagine walking into the Hades fight with a better set of circumstances and a better sword build than that. I'm definitely crestfallen right now. I've tried to beat Hades at +7 Heat on sword for about 7 runs now. This was the best build I had. And I got wrecked. I've had better showings with much weaker builds.

interestingly, i don't understand when I even lost 2 death defiances. there was no animation iirc. it must have happened so quickly that i missed it in the explosion of colors on screen.

@lament lava yeah, the archers...they destroyed me...

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btw, i have a question about exit wounds: is it damage for every cast inside the opponent or is it a one time deal regardless of whether it's 1 or 5, 6, 7, etc. in the target? in other words, is exit wounds damage multiplying or is it a flat damage?

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:40 PM

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i mean

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you could have done it probably with my previous broken build

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:40 PM

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?

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Hera Bow with Ravenous Will

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:40 PM

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oh, i've beaten hades to about 20 heat (thanks to the broken shield)

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but i'm trying to be halfway decent with all the weapons

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:40 PM

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basically

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Ravenous Will: receive less damage and deal more while your Cast is at 0

brazen lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Yes! Just beat Hades for the 5th time in the row. Sword is totally the best weapon

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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naw man, shield is the best weapon

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chaos shield

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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on top of that i had poison attack, flurry shot, bouncing shot and demeter call

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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sword used to be super good until it got nerfed

brazen lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Pfft, I don't need to hide behind the shield!

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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unfortunately, i do since i'm a scrub

brazen lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Aside from Athena's..

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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my 3 victories so far have been 2 with the bow, 1 with the gun

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:43 PM

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@lament lava
I forgot to mention that i had dionysus poison dash in my build...and i still got clowned...dammit

brazen lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:43 PM

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The bow was the first weapon I won with, it's pretty good. Especially with the homing special

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Hera's Bow is the most broken weapon imho because it gets broken with so many different things

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:43 PM

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chiron, yeah?

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i haven't really experimented with hera's bow

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:44 PM

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its

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its broken

brazen lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:44 PM

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You misspelled fantastic

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:44 PM

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basically you fuse your casts into your arrows

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:44 PM

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btw, i'm good enough to get to hades fight up to 20 heat with all the weapons...but then hades wrecks me...

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@lament lava ok, so yeah...

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i have questions about that...

brazen lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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I've started diving into the heats and just won with 8.. I can't imagine playing at 20..

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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lets say you have Tipsy Cast and charge in all 3 of your casts your next arrow will create 3 tipsy fog explosions on top of each other on impact

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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since it's similar, i want to re-ask the question i asked above:

" is it damage for every cast inside the opponent or is it a one time deal regardless of whether it's 1 or 5, 6, 7, etc. in the target? in other words, is exit wounds damage multiplying or is it a flat damage?"

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Exit Wounds damages per Cast.

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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ok, good

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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tipsy cast on hera's bow is just

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Boiling Blood is checks for a single Cast.

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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death bombs

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:46 PM

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@turbid needle ok, thanks...i usually get exit wonds late in the game when the action is super fast and I couldn't tell if exit wounds was multiplicative or not

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:46 PM

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No problem, happy to help.

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:46 PM

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also tipsy shot works really well in general for hera's bow since tipsy cast always drops the cast energy on the ground after a while instead of it getting stuck in enemies

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:47 PM

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yes, i agree...tipsy cast is localized and not target-specific

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i'll try it on hera's bow

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:47 PM

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so combine that with being able to stack 3 tipsy casts in one location with a single arrow

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is pretty good

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:47 PM

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the damage is multiplicative right?

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like, if i'm loading 3 tipsy casts into one arrow and each festive fog is at at 240 it should be 240*3, plus base arrow damage, right?

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:48 PM

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gets even better when you have the one boon that makes poisoned enemies.... slower iirc

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:48 PM

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oh yeah...

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i also had that in the build above

lament lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:48 PM

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and on top of that the boon that makes your standard attacks deal weak

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 7:49 PM

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cotdamn...the game screwed me with the blue stones shielding hades

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and everytime i got close to hades (when he was out of bluestones' range) to spam my artemis cast, one of the archers would jump in front to absorb the damage....

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that was a devious collection of callups by hades

steady horizon Feb 5, 2020, 8:09 PM

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is it me, or does the bow never get Dark Thirst since the beginning of the Long Winter update?

fading fog Feb 5, 2020, 8:10 PM

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I got it earlier, must just be you

steady horizon Feb 5, 2020, 8:10 PM

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stupid RNG shadedisgruntled

tidal thorn Feb 5, 2020, 8:13 PM

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Is it possible to farm Titan Blood by just going to higher Heat and running Tartarus over again or do you need to beat the PoP once to move on with new bounties?

trail timber Feb 5, 2020, 8:29 PM

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You need to either beat Temple of Styx boss

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or rake up enough obol to buy the thing from Charon, if he offers it.

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Also at his Temple shop.

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 8:30 PM

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is crush shot supposed to not stick in enemies most of the time?

main citrus Feb 5, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Glorious sub 30 Shield run <3

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Nice!

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It should, Gravel.

main citrus Feb 5, 2020, 8:42 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/OE2xbkB

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Oh boy

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Whoa, those Rail and Sword PBs are crazy similar.

main citrus Feb 5, 2020, 8:43 PM

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I got my rail time right after I did a run with the sword to clear the limited time pact

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Got such an insane build I just steamrolled everything. Lemme get the rail screenshot

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https://imgur.com/a/u5GOvaF

Imgur

KeineWoke

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 8:44 PM

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i still haven't won with the rail...yet

main citrus Feb 5, 2020, 8:44 PM

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The PAIN GUN

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And now I noticed I just reduced my shield time almost 10 minutes :'D

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Thanks Grandma and Dio

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 8:50 PM

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ive just noticed there was no keepsakes for hermes....

atomic panther Feb 5, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Hermes has a keepsake

main citrus Feb 5, 2020, 8:50 PM

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He does have a keepsake

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It's the Lambent Plume. To be honest? I like the speed boost from it more than the dodge lmao

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I did a sword run right now, with Athena Dash you can just dodge anything just as easily with good timing.

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I wanna level it up to level 3 so I can never use it again

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 8:55 PM

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looking at all these timings and looking at my own 30-40 min runs because i love to destroy all pots and take my time playing safe is a feelsbad

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Why did we bring back multi-hit chariots?

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 8:59 PM

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trying Dio's grenades because they seem the best so far

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 8:59 PM

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I'm sandwiched between a chariot and the center pond of one of the new Elysium chambers, and it just hit me three times.

main citrus Feb 5, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Well, considering I did beat 20+ runs, I cansay I got used to the game by now and know how to play my favorites. You still have time :p

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:01 PM

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So you want Slicing Shot into Vicious Cycle, @clear lagoon ?

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:02 PM

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No. Black Metal into Vicious Cycle

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:02 PM

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You suggested removing both Black Metal and Engulfing Vortex.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:03 PM

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Yes

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:03 PM

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volfredthink

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:03 PM

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Remove Engulfing Vortex, make Blade Rifts flinch by default since that's the entire value of Engulfing Vortex, and then Blade Rifts don't require an extra boon to be doing that

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Engulfing Vortext doesn't make enemies flinch.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Right now, Slicing Shot requires all the things OTHER Casts do... PLUS three support boons, one of them a legendary

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:04 PM

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It suctions them along with the Blade Rift.

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They can still act freely.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:04 PM

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...What is it doing then? Because enemies don't move and keep making the flinch animation

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Every time I get it the enemies are just hopping in place

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:05 PM

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You should F10 that.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:05 PM

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...Why? That seems like exactly what should be happening. There's a Rift of Blades smacking them, why would they be attacking me like nothing is happening?

stone geyser Feb 5, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Is the shield of chaos a little bit too op?

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:06 PM

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It's been that way for multiple patches now

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Because that's not how they're coded to act. They don't flinch enemies because they hit way too frequently, the same way the Rail doesn't flinch.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:06 PM

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@stone geyser Not now that it's been nerfed, no.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Chaos Aspect was never OP.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:07 PM

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It was better than any other weapon aspect at high heat for a good chunk of time. It deserved the nerf. I don't love the way it was nerfed, but a nerf was 100% needed

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:08 PM

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If it fixed the perception of it, sure, let's go with it.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:08 PM

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......

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You can actively do less damage to a single target than you previously could

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I'm not clear how you could 'perceive' that as a buff.

stone geyser Feb 5, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Well

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:09 PM

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I didn't say that it was a buff, just that it was arguably not a nerf at all.

stone geyser Feb 5, 2020, 9:09 PM

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I found it very overpowered

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Current WR speedrun is with the sword.

stone geyser Feb 5, 2020, 9:09 PM

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and felt like the game was a lot easier with it, but that might just be a personal preference

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:09 PM

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It's the safest weapon, but it generally deals less damage than the other four.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Current WR is with Artemis Cast, the weapon is basically immaterial.

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The Poseidon Sword adds some damage, and that's mostly it if the seed manip is going right

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:10 PM

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And yet it's ran with Poseidon, instead of Achilles or Eris.

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Or Hera.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Are you USING the sword? No? Then I'm not gonna say the sword is somehow a great weapon for doing speedruns or high heat

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It's a stat stick

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:11 PM

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I was watching Haelian earlier and he seemed to be using the Special plenty.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:12 PM

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I'm watching him right now. And he's occasionally using it in Tartarus... But it kills the things, so the knocking out function isn't mattering there.... And if he messes up the third boss fight, he uses it there.

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Hades is the only point that he's actually using the knockout function, and considering he keeps getting offered the quick drop from Hermes......

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It's not the sword making the run work, or doing his damage

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:13 PM

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You seem really dedicated to hating this weapon.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:13 PM

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...?

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I have nothing against the sword at all

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You brought it up, seemingly as a counterpoint to the old strength of the chaos shield

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So I'm pointing out why it isn't similar and isn't really proving what seemed to be your point

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If I misunderstood your point, clarity would be appreciated

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:15 PM

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No, I don't think either of us is willing to budge.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Fine

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Back to Blade Rifts then, since we got sidetracked?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Sure.

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You're suggesting removing both Black Metal and Engulfing Vortex. What's the tier 2 that leads to Vicious Cycle?

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:16 PM

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If you've a better idea on correcting them, I would actively prefer it to mine. But an already not great Cast requiring three support boons more than others, despite Casts already needing more support boons than Attacks or Specials do..... And that's not even counting the Duo.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:17 PM

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It doesn't require three support boons.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Do we even need a T2? That's how it's currently set up, but there's no requirement I don't think, mechanically

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Every Legendary requires a T2.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Currently. Is there some reason that cannot change?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:17 PM

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You need to start the effect, then have a modifier, then the Legendary appears as a second modifier.

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It would be insanely overpowered.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:17 PM

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.....

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Blade Rifts with nothing but Vicious Cycle is already crazy good.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:18 PM

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I'd have to disagree. Heftily.

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Blade Rifts are slow, and without Hunting Blades, enemies simply leave them, and then they aren't doing anything

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Not to discount your opinion or your experience, but it's the weighted opinion and experience of a lot of other people, including the developers, that Blade Rifts are fine with their current set-up.

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They haven't been changed in a long time because they've been found to be "good".

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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And I've spoken to many who believe that Blade Rifts are garbage because they don't do anything without even more support than the other Casts

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Then they should come here and be more vocal about it, see if that gets a change.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:20 PM

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I agree. But unfortunately most people don't even know Hades has an official discord

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:20 PM

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I don't think every boon has to be a standalone primary DPS option.

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I'm okay with some things being supplementary with additional options to make them primary.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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I think every boon needs to serve a purpose. I don't see a purpose FOR Slicing Shot outside of damage, because without Engulfing Vortex, it literally only provides damage

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Damage is the one thing it does

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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That is overwhelmingly the rule for primary boons in this game: Inflict damage.

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They all have unique flavors, some have additional effects.

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Ares is the God of War, he's supposed to be full aggro.

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Sometimes they don't start out as world enders, but Doom and Slicing Shot are the cornerstones of the two most powerful builds in the game.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:22 PM

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So, if Slicing Shot isn't a Primary DPS, why would I spend the time using it when I could be attacking instead? There's no need for two Primary DPS sources in the game, in fact the game actively encourages you to stick to ONE source of DPS

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Sometimes your primary source changes thanks to RNG.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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If it's not my ONE source of DPS, what is so good about Slicing Shot to make me suddenly use TWO sources of DPS?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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I could also be thinking forward, adding to a later kit.

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Also, the game doesn't encourage you to rely on a single source of damage.

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Most Aspects actively encourage you to mix your playstyle.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Okay, no, that is actively flat wrong there

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Poseidon wants you to use Cast and Special.

fading fog Feb 5, 2020, 9:24 PM

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i've been having a lot of success with adamant rail + demeter boons, especially chill attack and the one that makes the chill blast after 10 stacks

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Chaos Aspect requires you to use both Attack and Special for it to work.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Chaos Aspect specifically requires you to Attack, to activate your ONE SOURCE of DPS, your Special

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 9:24 PM

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yeesh i need to do better 128 runs in and none finished with the rail 😦

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Using the Attack doesn't make it your primary DPS, or even actually relevant damage in many runs

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I'm on a run and need some advice

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Intentionally eschewing Attack boons in that instance seems like a way to make your run worse.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Except even with a good attack boon, it's still not going to be doing the majority of your damage

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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You will be Attacking, so to not use the opportunity to diversify and increase your DPS is poor execution.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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So pick an Attack that adds a debuff, because Privileged Status exists

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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That's not a bad option.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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And then you're using your Attack to buff your Primary DPS source in two ways

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But the Attack still isn't anywhere near the Primary DPS source

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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So you've got a secondary DPS source, that's important.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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That's not secondary DPS though

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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It absolutely is.

main citrus Feb 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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I feel a complimentary hammer upgrade helps a lot with your Shield of Chaos strategy

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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i have everything I need from zeus and poseidon, but they both showed up in a trial.
does anyone know if poseidon's "second wave" stacks with sea storm?
like, does the second knock-away also trigger a second lightning strike?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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It should.

main citrus Feb 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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It does stack, I believe

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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But you can't get a Duo from the two gods involved in a Trial.

main citrus Feb 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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That's why Sea Storm is so ridiculously good :p

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He can get Second Wave tho

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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That's a debuff applier that you are not buffing and do not care about. If I am doing a Chaos Shield run, and I go to Chaos.... I go and get Special damage, because that's what matters, not the Attack damage. Because the Special is what I care about. If I can get a support boon for my Special or my Attack, I take the Special, because that's what matters, that is my primary source of DPS that I am focusing on

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:28 PM

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I struggled with 32 Heat on Chaos Aspect until I switched from Heartbreak Strike to Curse of Agony. The additional damage was key (for me) to clear Elysium in 7 minutes.

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 9:28 PM

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Girls Girls your both pretty can we move on? 🙂

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:28 PM

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No.

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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@turbid needle you can definitely get duos from god involved in a trial, i've done it at least twice.
i already have the duo, i'm just wondering if it's worth the trouble for the legendary

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i only have two boons from poseidon, the strike and the razor shoals

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Not from the specific two gods. If you didn't already have Sea Storm, it couldn't have spawned in a Trial between Zeus and Poseidon.

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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got four or five from zeus i think

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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You can get Duos, but you aren't supposed to be able to get a Duo that is between the two gods in the Trial

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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You can get Legendaries from Trials.

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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well in that case, don't tell anyone. cuz that's how i got mine today.

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i'm gonna do it

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there's a chance for second wave, a chance for splitting bolt...and even if i get neither, it's two boons at once.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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I'd say F10 it, but honestly I don't really rate that as a meaningful mechanic, and it's not mentioned anywhere in game, so....

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:31 PM

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I don't disagree that on certain weapons they have a "best" option, but intentionally ignoring good additions to a build because it isn't your primary option is poor execution and bad gameplay.

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By that logic, you skip every boon that isn't directly enhancing it.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:31 PM

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I'm not saying ignore them. I'm saying, they are not your priority

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You don't WANT those other things, you take them because they buff the thing you are caring about, or because you don't have anything offered that will buff your priority

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The game encourages focus. Not 'ignore everything else', just 'do this whenever possible'

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....?

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I said nothing about just one god

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It wasn't even referenced

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Or Implied

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Where did that even come from?

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 9:34 PM

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can you guys just stop
this is not a conversation that requires that much energy. everybody plays a different way.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:34 PM

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....We're discussing gameplay in a channel about discussing gameplay

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And from the sounds of it, we both play the same way, he just looks at it differently than I do

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We're not getting angry or insulting each other or anything

mental current Feb 5, 2020, 9:37 PM

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@plush sundial Just got around to checking my codex. I'm still missing 6 kills on Alecto to complete her entry, already completed the other 2. Let me know if the RNG gods bless you someday hobbLUL

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:37 PM

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The value of Ares' cast depends on the punishments taken. If I have no choice, then Ares' cast goes down in value, because I'm less likely to get all the synergy boons. If I have to purge a boon every level, then Ares' cast goes down in value, because the pool of purging might literally choose 3 blade rift boons

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But on high heat, losing out on +50% boiling blood damage, to just maybe get good synergy later on, isn't very reliable

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Boiling Blood doesn't scale well on high Heat.

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 9:38 PM

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IT WAS WORTH IT BOIS

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/665055587851304960/674730656625852419/unknown.png

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:39 PM

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It's 50% of base damage, which can be decent.

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:39 PM

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50% is 50%

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Oh, nice!

mental current Feb 5, 2020, 9:39 PM

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😮

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:39 PM

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That's 5 per Rail shot.

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Some weapons make more use of it, Privileged Status is generally seen as more powerful.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:39 PM

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I like Ares Cast as an idea, and I enjoy doing Ares Cast runs.... But Casts already take more investment than Attacks/Specials do, and Ares Casts have more to invest in than other Casts, so... I just wish we had more parity between the level of investment on the Casts. I mean, I really really wish we had parity between the investment needed for Casts, Attacks, and Specials, but that is very clearly never happening

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Also keeping in mind that one of the worse parts of high heat is the 3rd biome on tight deadline, and lots of things move so quickly in that biome, that Ares' cast will be garbage if you aren't stacking the synergy boons

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Cast builds in general get rough in Elysium and Styx

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They shine vs bosses

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:40 PM

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I think I said this elsewhere in this Discord, but.... if it takes me four Casts to kill something, and I've only got three, then I have a problem. If it takes me four Attacks, I don't have to care because I have infinite Attacks at all times.

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:41 PM

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but being able to get +50% on things like soul catchers, can help a lot, because some things have inflated HP pools

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:41 PM

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The tradeoff sheepster, is that cast builds are generally way safer, and way faster during boss fights

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 9:41 PM

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BROOOOOO

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/665055587851304960/674731349910880306/unknown.png

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:41 PM

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That's the parity

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 9:42 PM

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im SO wanting that

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the legendary Zeus boon

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:42 PM

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I would agree, if it weren't for how much more I have to put into them to get to use them on Bosses reliably. Unless you're using the Poseidon Sword or Hera Bow, they need a lot to be able to deal with Boss all by themselves.

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Thats the whole point of the different weapons and aspects

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:43 PM

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And I'd call using an entire weapon and aspect just for the casts a pretty hefty investment right there

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Different playstyles

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Okay, so what's the issue with Slicing Shot? It's not very powerful on its own but with the right combos (which sometimes happen and sometimes don't because of RNG which we all accepted when we bought this game) it's among the most powerful options in the game.

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Its not an investment

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Its a gameplay choice

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:43 PM

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That's a different way to say the same thing

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:43 PM

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No it isnt

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 9:43 PM

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slicing shot isn't terribly useful without ares' legendary, i've found, and i don't do high heat

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:43 PM

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The issue is on high heat, getting (and keeping) the right combos becomes unreliable

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 9:43 PM

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the damage is decent, but it's too difficult to hit enemies, nevermind jumpy ones

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Opportunity Cost. You made X choice, instead of Y choice. You paid the cost. You invested.

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:44 PM

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That is not an opportunity cost at all....

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:44 PM

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And it can't proc a status ailment either.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:44 PM

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They're pure DPS.

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That's their trade-off.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:44 PM

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That's the definition of the term. You had many opportunities, the various weapons and aspects. You chose one, so now you are not using any of the others.

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:45 PM

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I usually just use casts for boiling blood, to get rid of blue hearts, for status ailments, or to interrupt/knockback things

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:45 PM

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You could have been doing many other things. But you aren't. Because you wanted to invest into doing a Cast run

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:45 PM

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You do not lose other options simply by picking the poseidon aspect

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Those options still exist if you get RNG miffed

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Not on that run they don't

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Yes they do....

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They are literally still spawning

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:46 PM

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I like the poseindon cast. It does aoe, it knocks back things, and it can proc a status ailment if that is unlocked. Since I'm not heavily investing into it, it's a good choice

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Those options are locked away from the time you exit the house to when you die. You can't change to the Nemesis Sword mid run. You can't change to the Zagreus Shield mid run. You chose Poseidon Sword/Hera Bow and that was your investment right there

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You can't un choose your weapon and aspect in the run

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Thats one tiny portion of the choice and opportunity in any given run

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You can still choose whatever aspect boons that crop up

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Then just you your POMs on attack or special?

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Or daedalus hammer

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:47 PM

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It's a pretty dang important one. And regardless of your perception of its 'size', it remains an investment nonetheless

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You certainly aren't choosing Hera Bow or Poseidon Sword to do anything OTHER than a Cast run

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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50% damage to cast is not nearly as significant as you claim it to be. It's super nice. But it still relies on other factors, like the correct boons. And you can make a better build, with other non cast boons, if you're RNG is bad, than you can by trying to force bad RNG

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But you're acting like the run is over straight away if you don't immediately get the Artemis cast boon

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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No, but I've had Poseidon runs where I went "Really glad I got Deadly Flourish, Double and Super Novas, because I got Tipsy Shot exactly once and not a single Cast boon afterward."

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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I'm not speaking to the significance of the buff. I am speaking the significance of the investment. Moreover, the Poseidon Sword is less about the damage and more about the knockouts with many casts.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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At a certain level it's about the damage boost.

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Clearing chambers, certainly.

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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The special bonus can become completely irrelevant with the drop boons as well

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Which also, coincidentally, makes cast builds usable with other weapons

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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I'd argue that the dislodge is outright superior to any quick drop.

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Except on the Hydra.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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I can go an entire run, no heat, with any un aspected weapon, ONE attack or special boon, and no other boons. It'd be really, really painful, but I can do it.
Under no circumstances can I go an entire run with ONE cast boon and only use casts as my damage with no other boons

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Barring extensive investment in making the drop very very fast, at least.

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Right... and why would you

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Because Casts aren't designed like that.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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It takes more to make casts work. That's all I'm trying to make clear right now. Casts take more to work.

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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What kind of an argument is that?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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No one disagrees with that.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Except you did

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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No I did not

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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I said, Casts take more investment. You both disagreed

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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No you said the investment is too high

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To which I said the tradeoff is way faster boss and single mob clearing

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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We're getting away from the point, which is that Slicing Shot is fine. It by itself is not meant (that means by design, not just poor balancing decisions) to be a one-and-done primary DPS source.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I did not, in fact, say that about Casts. I did say the Ares Cast takes more than other Casts. But I did not say it was 'too much' or anything.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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With two additional pick-ups, it becomes the best boon in the game.

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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It's fine on low heat

grand eagle Feb 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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What is generally considered to be the best aspect of the gun?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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I'm okay with it starting weak.

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People go back and forth between Hestia and Eris.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Slicing Shot would only be fine if stopping your primary DPS source to cast a secondary DPS source was a thing that we should be doing. But is isn't, and we usually shouldn't. Unless we have Flurry Cast, or invest into the Cast, it's often a DPS loss to stop to cast things

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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I've never seen a 32 heat Eris, but I have seen multiple 32 heat Hestia

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Hestia is safer, certainly.

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Eris is definitely easier to learn as a newer player

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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It's not like we spit all our casts instantly, even with Flurry Cast. That's time we could be spending using our primary DPS instead of spitting out some slow moving circles we didn't invest in

grand eagle Feb 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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And both are better then zagreus?

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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I suggest Eris simply because I don't enjoy the feel of Hestia.

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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slow moving circles that block boiling blood, and can never proc a status ailment

regal garden Feb 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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is it the manual reloading part?

grand eagle Feb 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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What boons do people tend to stack with it? I usually use Zeus's chain on attack

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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yes. The manual reloading part means you need to really be good at dashing and aiming well

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Zagreus has its uses. The Spread Fire Hammer upgrade blocks out the ammunition based Hammer upgrades, so Zagreus is nice for runs aiming to get that going

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Yeah, the manual reload just feels clunky to me.

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I kinda wish it worked off any reload, or that they reduced the chamber to one and made it work all the time

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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You can reload while dashing, but it's still a bit awkward

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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https://youtu.be/xRHGqBS4E_g 40 heat eris

YouTube

horheristo

Directed By Michael Bay 【Hades, 40 HEAT / TORTURE% Run, Rail Gun】

NEW MISSION! I want you you blow up.... THE OCEAN!!!

---------------------------------------- Timestamps -------------------------------------------

00:00 - Tartarus

08:45 - Asphodel

16:14 - Elysium

25:11 - House of Bricks

-----------------------------------------------...

▶ Play video

main citrus Feb 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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If you get any hammer upgrade that changes the type of your main rail attack, the charged Hestia shot still is a straight one

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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that would make it harder to do things like get rid of blue hearts, or deal with swarms of low hp monsters

wild ibex Feb 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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hi I have a question: which legendary keepsake should I unlock first? I am 23 runs in, heat 3.Should I convert my ambrose to titan blood or unlock a legendary keepsake.

main citrus Feb 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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I wanna see someone do a 49 heat run :p

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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@hollow sorrel It would, but it'd be a reasonable trade off I think. Hestia is very powerful after all

main citrus Feb 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Also, I loaded all of the pacts at once, the flavor text on the heat bar is hilarious

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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@royal yarrow In general, Sisyphus is a good all rounder legendary keepsake. I'd start with that if you wanted to get one going at all. He also drops Darkness as well, so that's a minor boost to the interminable grind for that last Mirror upgrade

wild ibex Feb 5, 2020, 9:58 PM

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I dont have 10 diamonds though.I have only one and I havent unlocked much with diamonds

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Is that rocket/cluster or rocket/triple? It doesn't look like he's using the actual rail attack on the final boss

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Rocket Cluster.

main citrus Feb 5, 2020, 9:58 PM

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You'll get a nice Diamond income via Fated Prophecies, just save 'em

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:58 PM

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With backstab.

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@main citrus Make the Heat bar cry, right?

main citrus Feb 5, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Yes lol

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I love all the flavor text in this game

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Mechanical question for anyone who knows it.... Why is it Rocket/Cluster does the same animation as the Bow Special? That weird side spray thing? And why does the Bow do it? Seems like it'd make more sense to just shoot the spread straight out and be done with it.

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 9:59 PM

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yes. With rocket/cluster, Eris would be better than Hestia, because you wouldn't be using the attack button anymore

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Oh, wait, they never even got Exposed.

wild ibex Feb 5, 2020, 9:59 PM

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are other ones not good legendary keepsakes? like meg one seems very easy to unlock

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 10:00 PM

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They are good, and they all have their uses

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Jesus, 40 Heat in 22 minutes.

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 10:00 PM

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But Sisyphus in particular just drops health and obols and there's never a run you aren't going to want that at some point

grand eagle Feb 5, 2020, 10:00 PM

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What gods are good to pair with the gun?

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Sisyphus is a generic. If you want a keepsake that will help with something specific, the others help with other things

wild ibex Feb 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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okay thanks.I will wait until I get 10 diamonds then

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Sisyphus might be best at low heat, but with reduced healing and more expensive items, something else might be better

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Probably any of them except Poseidon and Ares.

grand eagle Feb 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Ok thank you

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Dionysus is my go to for the Rail Attack usually. Followed by Zeus.

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Demeter is certainly making a good case lately though.

tiny portal Feb 5, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Demeter and Artemis are my two "Doesn't matter what build I'm going for I'll take it" gods

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 10:02 PM

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For Eris, you can use things like Zeus/Dio/Demeter on attack, since they do things with each hit, and you rapid fire quickly

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For Hestia, I like Aphro attack

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 10:03 PM

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Really? I only do that with Aphrodite. I never find myself not wanting Weaken, after all. But Artemis I sometimes don't want, because she makes Privileged Status awkward, and Demeter I feel is less good on things that hit rather slowly/rarely.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:04 PM

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How do I mnake a strong Shield of Chaos run?

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Max out special and special attack enhancments?

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Im at heat 12

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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im loving the demeter Cast tho its nice

clear lagoon Feb 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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@turbid needle Yes. Exactly that. Getting a debuff on your Attack to make Privileged Status easier is a good idea too, if it comes up.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Alrighty thanks

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Hopefuly I can get weak or chill on attack

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Aphro has a really good damage modifier too

wild ibex Feb 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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any advice on pact of punishment for heat 3?I gave 2 shop cost Idk which one is the easiest next

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Extreme Measures is both really awesome and pretty forgiving Heat.

wild ibex Feb 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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thanks

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:09 PM

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I feel like shop one is a harsh one, or I like to rely on the shop too much

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But I often get double God boons there

mellow quest Feb 5, 2020, 10:10 PM

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imo it's good to get used to the 80% price hitch early

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Yeah makes sense, maybe I should get used to that

mellow quest Feb 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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I'd recommend Heightened Security and Extreme Measures next, get used to 400% trap damage and the new boss movesets without all the other punishing stuff just yet

abstract pilot Feb 5, 2020, 10:13 PM

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i also recommend learning heightened security early if you're going to stack up to higher heats, but it is definitely more likely to lose you a run then say 1 point of hard labor

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:14 PM

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this game brings out the worst in me...i am pissed off. i get the sense/suspicion that whenever i get too much health, the game will go out of its way to knock me down to a reasonable level.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Do Chaos chambers count as rooms? Or as they additive?

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Lol Cinematic 😛

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I honestly can take losses really well in Hades

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:15 PM

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i used to be able to...but hades spin attack has me all kinds of angry

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Rooms unless taken right before the pre-boss breather.

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Same with Erebus gates.

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:16 PM

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the isometric nature of the levels makes it even stranger

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on some angles, the field it tilted against the player and he has a much wider range

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he would be so much more manageable without his minions

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Hades is very readable tbh

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Very predictable

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:16 PM

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losing 600 points of health readable?

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in 15 seconds?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:16 PM

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He is, but he also has very wide fast attacks.

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That sometimes come faster than you can properly react to.

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600? First of all I use the broken spearpoint at styx at all times

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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i do

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Second of all, even if you don't always dodge it, if you get hit it deals like 30?

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50 max?

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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and i've now died 8 times in a row at hades on heat 7

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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With Hard Labor and Heightened Security he can hit very hard.

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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i get hit for 80

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Vases deal 150 damage, his spins do 80.

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Maybe you should take a break and come back with a clear mindset 😄

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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he fires the projectile and then he does the spin attack

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btw, there are 2 places on the snow covered stage that i consider "coffin corners" (to borrow a concept from basketball)

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the bottom right for sure

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that place is a jagged mess of stones/tombstones

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Just kite arround in the middle

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:19 PM

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it was the same criticism people had against Transistor, certain places you lose sight of your character

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@turbid needle i do...i go in circles around the middle

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using the stone blocks as cover

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:20 PM

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I don't understand it 😛 Transistor was 100%ed by me in 8-9 hours. Hades is defintely more difficult but I mean

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It's not unfair, all his moves are pretty well telegraphed

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:20 PM

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no, i loved transistor

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probably one of my top 3 favorite indie games

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but there were instances, because of the isometric nature of the level, that you could lose sight of your character in a corner

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 10:21 PM

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You know, I'd be fine if the final boss could only use the spin attack as a followup, but he can totally spin attack, walk towards you, spin attack

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:21 PM

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yea

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there are times where he just spams it

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:21 PM

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That's a bit egregious, yeah.

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:21 PM

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and then there are instances where he disappears

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there's time where you can see his footsteps approaching

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 10:22 PM

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yeah, the "i spin attack 1 frame after reappearing" is awful too

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:22 PM

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but the one that bothers me is the one where he basically teleports behind you or to your side and then does the spin attack

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@hollow sorrel yea, exactly

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 10:23 PM

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It's just awkward where we have 3 bosses where melee weapons actually have a strategy, then the last boss is literally a dps race

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like, just keep dashing back and forth, and hope for the best

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:23 PM

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the spin attack is announced before Hades becomes visible tho

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 PM

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and i'm using artemis poseidon sword, the game has basically figured out not to now give me aretmis legendary plus exit wounds plus secondary projectile

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dammit

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 PM

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You can see the white circle before you can see hades

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So if you can see the circle anyway...

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 PM

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the white circle on the snowy background?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 PM

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yes?

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Come on guys, let's be real. Do we want a challenge or not?

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It's far from invisible

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 PM

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i don't recall seeing a circle but i'll look closer next time

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 PM

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we want a final boss that takes strategy

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:25 PM

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I feel like the circle is a better telegraph than Hades himself spinning.

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I disagree that it's a DPS race.

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 10:25 PM

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not something we mindlessly face tank with dashes, and hope our dps is good enough

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 10:25 PM

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it'd be nice if the circle was like, red or something

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:25 PM

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He has different attacks that require different responses.

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The strategy is how you plan your entire run. Bossfights are tests on how to apply what you build up

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 10:25 PM

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i never noticed the circle being there wwhile he's invisible

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:25 PM

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You can mindlessly tank the Furies more than you can Hades.

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 10:25 PM

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zero response to spear thrusts that have .25 seconds starting time

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besides "just keep dashing"

abstract pilot Feb 5, 2020, 10:26 PM

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i used to play it as a dps race with broken spearpoint but now i have to actually learn the boss 😠

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:26 PM

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that's the other one...grrr....the spear thrusts which have incredible range

torpid abyss Feb 5, 2020, 10:26 PM

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What are your bets for the new weapon?

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:27 PM

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a nuke

unkempt pagoda Feb 5, 2020, 10:27 PM

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some kind of ranged weapon

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:27 PM

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/just kidding

torpid abyss Feb 5, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Mine goes for fists

hollow sorrel Feb 5, 2020, 10:27 PM

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I'm fairly sure the spear thrust, at +40% speed is so quick, that the sword can start the world splitter, then the final boss could start a spear thrust AFTER, and the spear thrust will hit you before Zag recovers and can dash away

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:27 PM

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it's hard to say because rail exists

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could be literally anything

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even a glowstick

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or a chicken that shoots paintballs

torpid abyss Feb 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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@lament coral i think i remember you from somewhere...

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Yeah I think fists too!

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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i personallyy want a whip, scythe, or some kind of magic themed range weapon

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Zagreus aggressively shimmies in Hades's direction.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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@torpid abyss you remember me from this server

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also, twitch

abstract pilot Feb 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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a teddy bear that absorbs attacks then explodes into a giant angry bear monster

torpid abyss Feb 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Scythes are actually very inefficient weapons

unkempt pagoda Feb 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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the new weapon is the book of rites

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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lulz

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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yeah but they look rad

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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@torpid abyss Celerity, Brain, Bahroo?

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bald man?

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or Haelian

torpid abyss Feb 5, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Huh

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What are you babbling about

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:29 PM

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ah, my bad

abstract pilot Feb 5, 2020, 10:29 PM

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a boomerang with a grappling hook special

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:29 PM

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figured you watched Hades stuff

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 10:29 PM

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gives zag a green cap

torpid abyss Feb 5, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Waiy

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Wait

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I know

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I know

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A sword

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:30 PM

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boomerang would probably infringe on Achilles spear's territory

torpid abyss Feb 5, 2020, 10:30 PM

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That is held UPSIDE DOWN

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:30 PM

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so, a drows?

abstract pilot Feb 5, 2020, 10:30 PM

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what about just a laser, like demeter's cast

torpid abyss Feb 5, 2020, 10:30 PM

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That's the fiest part

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The sword is shaped like a lighter

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And has a special that shoots a wave of fire

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:31 PM

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what if the sword is shaped like Zagreus

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and it holds a tiny sword of its own

abstract pilot Feb 5, 2020, 10:31 PM

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😮

torpid abyss Feb 5, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Nah

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A sword

abstract pilot Feb 5, 2020, 10:31 PM

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what if you are a sword, and you swing a giant zagreus

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:31 PM

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now you're thinking with swords!

torpid abyss Feb 5, 2020, 10:31 PM

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A sword that wields a zagreus who ALSO WIELDS TWO SWORDS!

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:32 PM

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my lord, is that...legal?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:33 PM

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We will make it legal.

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I hate Lightning Rod but I feel like I'm gonna keep getting offered it, shutting down options for better boons until I take it.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:34 PM

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I love democracy

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I wish it went away

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the rod

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:34 PM

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Ooohh.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:35 PM

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once I heard about the old Zeus/Arty duo, with crits procing lightning bolts

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:35 PM

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We can bring back Freak Accident, right?

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Oh my god I loved it so much.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:35 PM

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I thought "wow, how did that go from something so awesome to something as lame as Lightning Rod?"

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Back when Hunter Mark was too god I threw a bunch of Hunting Blades at Asterius and it almost slowed my computer down.

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I can see why "stuck enemies occasionally summon a bolt of lightning on themselves" might be a little OP/doesn't gel with other Casts, but it works between the two of them.

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And being able to proc lightning effects with True Shot would be way more preferable than having to use Electric Shot.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:38 PM

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I mean, if it was just a flat amount, like Zeus/Poseidon duo

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would it even be OP?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:38 PM

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It was.

torpid abyss Feb 5, 2020, 10:38 PM

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I have been thinking, how balanced would it be if all gods had duos with eachother?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:38 PM

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20 damage.

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But it was when crits were way too prevalent.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:38 PM

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dude, that's even less than Zeus/Pos' 40

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Yeah, but Hunter Mark was broken last summer.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:39 PM

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I would like for all gods to have duos with each other

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:39 PM

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And Ray, I believe that at one point a goal for SGG was to make a Duo for every possible combination, but I don't remember if that's still in the cards.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:39 PM

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only issue would be making em all be actually useful

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 10:39 PM

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since markedd isnt as busted now would freak acciddent still be OP?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:39 PM

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Nice, phanlax lightning, right before the 3rd boss

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Alot of Zeus can be so fun

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I don't think so, Gravel, and I'd like to see it happen.

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:40 PM

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i need a break from this game before i smash my mechanical keyboard...dammit man

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:40 PM

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But they've kept Lightning Rod all this time for a reason, ideally.

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Told you @kind cloud

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😛

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:42 PM

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i'm still salty about getting wrecked by the game's rng nature in the hades fight

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/and i feel doubly worse because i know i'm a scrub

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Anyone else ever lure Skullcrushers into lava?

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Don't even attack them, just watch as the lava gets them?

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Yeah

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Are we sociopaths?

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It's a good tactic 😄

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:45 PM

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it's hit or miss

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Are we? LOL

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:45 PM

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i can't do it consistently

bold salmon Feb 5, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Im reading the wiki and i noticed the athena duo boon says you can get it with "Electric shot", but how does that work if you have to have Phalanx Shot?

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 10:51 PM

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..i need a better rail run...yeesh

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Heat 13 conquered!

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:52 PM

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<meanwhile, in cinematic's house>
hades still kickin' my ass with his spin and thrust nonsense

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:53 PM

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You should learn to play the Lyre

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That will keep you busy for a while 😛

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:54 PM

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update: lyre kickin' my ass too, i'm just stacking Ls today

mossy mirage Feb 5, 2020, 10:55 PM

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I've got my starting 5 titan blood, I haven't been able to get through the game yet to earn more, should I pick the basic form of a weapon and level it up?

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or is there a weapon form i should unlock?

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:56 PM

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btw, what is hell mode?

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must we start a new game to activate hell mode?

atomic panther Feb 5, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Yes

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:56 PM

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does that mean starting over at square zero or is there an import ability?

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i don't want to grind for all that darkness again

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:57 PM

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Darkness doesn't amatter at max heat

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:57 PM

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is that hell mode?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:57 PM

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no it's not

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:57 PM

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ok, just checking

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:57 PM

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I just mean that max heat takes away your darkness

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or reduces the max ammount used

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:58 PM

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but yeah, darkness doesn't matter at max heat because of the budget cuts pact thing

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btw, has anyone beaten the game at max heat?

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last I read, somebody got to 40

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Max is impossible imo

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:58 PM

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probably

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max heat is like 49

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 10:58 PM

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And it's only because of Elysium

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 10:58 PM

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(after it was reworked)

coral dust Feb 5, 2020, 10:59 PM

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i kinda wish hymn to zagreus, the purchased version, had the vocals

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idk if im missing something

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 10:59 PM

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7 minutes is not enough time to beat elysium on max heat so it's a hard wall

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Isn't it?

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 10:59 PM

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No

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Well maybe I'm bad but it isn't for me

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 11:00 PM

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how far has anyone gotten on max heat?

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surely someone cleared asphodel, right?

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 11:00 PM

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I've made it to Theseus and Asterius

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 11:00 PM

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at max heat?

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wow

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 11:01 PM

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And then ran out of time of course

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 11:01 PM

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you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than i am

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i tried max heat, died halfway through asphodel, said "screw it"

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 11:01 PM

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I wouldnt try max heat if heat 10 is too much Cinematic, take it slow

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 11:02 PM

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bruh, i've cleared like up to 30 heat on at least 3 of the 5 weapons...up to styx

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the problem is hades

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that workaholic piece of garbage of a neglegent dummy of a father pisses me off

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/he probably put skelly up to this

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 11:03 PM

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You shouldnt get so mad if you can beat heat 30 lol

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 11:03 PM

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lol

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 11:03 PM

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My max is 13 with a weapon everyone calls OP

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so yeah

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 11:03 PM

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i think it's the number of times in a row i've lost with the artemis poseidon build to hades

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earlier today, i described the super build i had going into the hades fight and he wrecked me with the dudes he called up

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 11:04 PM

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lol oh well

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Anyways I gotta sleep!

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PEace everyone

kind cloud Feb 5, 2020, 11:04 PM

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g'night

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 11:12 PM

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meh

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Clocked in 100 hours total.....sigh

wild ibex Feb 5, 2020, 11:16 PM

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it took me 20 tries to beat hades

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after that I havent lost yet lol

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 11:16 PM

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took me 63

wild ibex Feb 5, 2020, 11:16 PM

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I am on heat 4 without losing

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 11:16 PM

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and im still flopping after lol

wild ibex Feb 5, 2020, 11:17 PM

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did you upgrade your weapon?

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helps a lot

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 11:17 PM

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i did

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im trying to win with the rail.

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and after i gotta win with the bow to finish the fate thing

wild ibex Feb 5, 2020, 11:20 PM

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oh

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I started with shield

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Charged Skewer has not been terrible in helping me control Achilles a little better.

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Wish it charged faster, though.

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Okay, Heroic level 2 Hunting Blades with max level Achilles.

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 11:27 PM

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i still need to grab hunting blades 🙂

fallow niche Feb 5, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Just took no damage from Hades at all on 32 heat sweats

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Dude dropped like a rock, not sure what happened there

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 11:30 PM

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I'd say the sleeper has awoken, but...

fallow niche Feb 5, 2020, 11:35 PM

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The sleeper?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Dune reference.

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And nope, Achilles still needs work.

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RIP 12 streak.

wild ibex Feb 5, 2020, 11:43 PM

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when streaking do you always increase the difficulty?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 11:43 PM

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No, but I'd been at 15 Heat for most of it and 20 for the last few runs.

wild ibex Feb 5, 2020, 11:43 PM

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so streakers generally run 15 heat?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 11:44 PM

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I wasn't trying to do a specific streak, I was just at 12 in a row.

fallow niche Feb 5, 2020, 11:51 PM

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I was on a 106 streak up until around 20 to 25-something heat for all weapons then I tried 32 heat after I got past 100 because I didn't need any bloods or anything anymore @wild ibex

potent wedge Feb 5, 2020, 11:54 PM

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so regardless of what i try, i can't get any builds using hades aspect spear to work, and i feel like i'm approaching it wrong

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Look for Explosive Launcher.

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Don't always go for the damage bonus, use it against bosses or really tanky enemies.

green sable Feb 6, 2020, 12:04 AM

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ya explosive launcher with arti boons is how i won the first time

wild ibex Feb 6, 2020, 12:09 AM

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any good builds to recommend with chaos shield? so far I tried the posedion/zeus, ares/artemis, dyonyus/zeus stuff , aph/ares stuff

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I like special focused builds with chaos shield

mossy mirage Feb 6, 2020, 12:11 AM

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can never beat the minotaur and theseis, starting to get pretty frustrating

wild ibex Feb 6, 2020, 12:12 AM

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weapon?

mossy mirage Feb 6, 2020, 12:13 AM

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i've been trying with the nemesis sword, but I've generally tried all of them

wild ibex Feb 6, 2020, 12:13 AM

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with shield, just kill the spear guy

mossy mirage Feb 6, 2020, 12:13 AM

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i can usually get to them with one death defy remaining

wild ibex Feb 6, 2020, 12:13 AM

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hold attack to deflect projectiles, dont stay near them after you hit them

kind cloud Feb 6, 2020, 12:14 AM

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@wild ibex aphrodite/ares is my go to on chaos shield with some artemis and dionysus thrown in...

wild ibex Feb 6, 2020, 12:14 AM

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you start with aphrodie keepsake?

kind cloud Feb 6, 2020, 12:14 AM

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i start with ares

mossy mirage Feb 6, 2020, 12:14 AM

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i'll try with the shield a few times, thanks

kind cloud Feb 6, 2020, 12:14 AM

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i take him usually for his attack or special

wild ibex Feb 6, 2020, 12:14 AM

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oh take the keepsake that gives you immunity guested

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after you get hit you get immune

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I take that in act 3 if I feel weak

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yeah I like starting with ares too cinematic.Got my first with with ares artemis

shrewd topaz Feb 6, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Guested, how far developed is your mirror?

mossy mirage Feb 6, 2020, 12:17 AM

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i have the first death defy from it, the double dash, a few of the other things but that's about it

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the thing that gives me 3 life for changing zones

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and the shadow strike or whatever the extra backstab damage is

bold salmon Feb 6, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Jesus the game wont give me Art cast 😭 3 boons in row now cast option

shrewd topaz Feb 6, 2020, 12:19 AM

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It does get easier once you start putting points into thingws like priv status to boost your dps. Other than that... I usually focus on minos first. Shield will probably be easier, if you continue with sword just make sure you're not getting speared while you take him down. And really focus on dodging/minimizing how much your hit

mossy mirage Feb 6, 2020, 12:20 AM

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I'll definitely try out shield next run, in the past I've done well with it. I think avoiding damage is my biggest problem, in general i let myself get him a lot

abstract pilot Feb 6, 2020, 12:20 AM

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finally got a run in!

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643886239233081366/674771290703527940/bzzzt.png

mossy mirage Feb 6, 2020, 12:23 AM

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i never use casting at all, maybe that's a problem too but it never seems to do much for me

bold salmon Feb 6, 2020, 12:25 AM

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I for some reason though cast increased other dmg done?

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But i dont see it on the wiki

shrewd topaz Feb 6, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Sword puts you in a rough position because to do damage, you're also in the middle of damage. (Compared to shield). So shield is definitely easier to win with/pick up. But don't be afraid to use sword as you improve mechanically

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Also boiling blood boosts your attack/special damage for having a blood gem inside an enemy so there's that

fleet venture Feb 6, 2020, 12:28 AM

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still levelling trinkets, but had a fun rail build going
https://i.gyazo.com/0a69af0eb93a6682708796f5b025ff12.jpg

bold salmon Feb 6, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Oh ok so it does, i see it now that you say boiling blood

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Pos sword seems like the best/easiest to use from what i can tell

shrewd topaz Feb 6, 2020, 12:29 AM

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I'd argue it's the safest, but casting can be hit or miss depending on the run

bold salmon Feb 6, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Ive gotten lucky with Hermes and get fast casting most of the time tbf

shrewd topaz Feb 6, 2020, 12:39 AM

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I get a lot of duo boons and casting boons when I don't need them usually

keen ocean Feb 6, 2020, 1:17 AM

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I just got the Hunting Blades/Fully Loaded combo, and I'm so stoked to throw it at Hades!

gloomy vine Feb 6, 2020, 1:18 AM

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I got the nuts one time as Poseidon sword woth zeus cast. All the Hermes cast stuff including the legendary, lots of zeus boons obviously, exit wounds from arti. It was beautiful.

wild ibex Feb 6, 2020, 1:28 AM

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hades fight is so bs. I almost lost with artemis ares duo.He hits way too hard

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I had 3 death def and full hp when coming to hades also

idle mantle Feb 6, 2020, 1:35 AM

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getting hit by hades

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Thinkinghard

tidal thorn Feb 6, 2020, 1:42 AM

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I was pissed earlier because he does some revive explosion when going to second phase and it just instant killed me from 63 health.

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Was not happy. Had a pretty fun run with the spear too.

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So is Guan Yu pretty good?

gloomy vine Feb 6, 2020, 1:51 AM

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that revive explosion got me a few times too before I learned what he does

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and yes GY spear is good

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btw, is spoilers allowed on this channel because saying final boss name is spoiler

tidal thorn Feb 6, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Are the God keepsakes worth leveling or just bring it because you want X God?

iron shale Feb 6, 2020, 2:00 AM

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if you wanna go specific builds

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they kidna levle themself

bold salmon Feb 6, 2020, 2:06 AM

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What effect is happening after the Dio/Demeter duo?

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Is it chilling?

unkempt pagoda Feb 6, 2020, 2:07 AM

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the dio cast now explodes for more damage and does fog; the fog now also chills over time as well

bold salmon Feb 6, 2020, 2:08 AM

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So it adds to the chill stack cool. I need to get 10 chills = explosion

tidal thorn Feb 6, 2020, 2:09 AM

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I want to try that but I just never find the combos.

green sable Feb 6, 2020, 2:09 AM

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Dio casts are booze grenades ❤️

lament coral Feb 6, 2020, 2:09 AM

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@bold salmon Ice Wine is just a visual change

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it still has the fog's effect

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plus the damage

tidal thorn Feb 6, 2020, 2:10 AM

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I did get the Dim/Art cast duo for the crystals tho

bold salmon Feb 6, 2020, 2:10 AM

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But is it applying chill? @lament coral

lament coral Feb 6, 2020, 2:10 AM

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no

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which is confusing

tidal thorn Feb 6, 2020, 2:10 AM

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Oh man what an upgrade

lament coral Feb 6, 2020, 2:10 AM

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because it looks like a freezing field

humble spindle Feb 6, 2020, 2:10 AM

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just played Hera Bow with Poseidon boons, absolutely nuts

bold salmon Feb 6, 2020, 2:11 AM

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No it does apply chill

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im looking at it better now and i see the chill circle around them also

lament coral Feb 6, 2020, 2:12 AM

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the enemies don't turn blue

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meaning they aren't chilled

bold salmon Feb 6, 2020, 2:12 AM

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I just watched it

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they turn blue. I didnt realize the blue circle was how to tell chill stacks but they get that from it. Same as my dash (which has chill on it)

unkempt pagoda Feb 6, 2020, 2:13 AM

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it chilled foes when i used it

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

lament coral Feb 6, 2020, 2:13 AM

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are you sure? I've only used it 2-3 times and it didn't seem that the enemies were changing colors

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plus, the description doesn't mention the fog's effect changing, just the damage

bold salmon Feb 6, 2020, 2:14 AM

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Im like 100% sure now that i actually looked closer and made sure not to dash

bold salmon Feb 6, 2020, 2:35 AM

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So Dio/Zeus/Demeter cast duos is cool

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Oh and Dio and Demeter legendary

green sable Feb 6, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Zeus Primary makes the rail some what tolerable

bold salmon Feb 6, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Artimes support fire helps also

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Basically doubles the dmg

green sable Feb 6, 2020, 2:43 AM

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using arti as crit chance and armor breaker so far