#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 391

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 3:49 AM

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an hour? damn

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what heat?

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 3:49 AM

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sub 20

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I don't remember exactly

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 3:50 AM

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don't think I've ever had a run go above 40 and still win

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that said, I haven't gone past the 4/5 heats yet

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 3:50 AM

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nah, that's how it usually goes for me if the boons are bad or I just don't like the weapon

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Zag bow with Ares attack took me over 50 minutes at 20 heat

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and I got that attack at the end of Elyisum

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that's why I don't play Zag bow

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no attack? Run's a chore

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that was the only attack I saw the entire run

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 3:53 AM

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oof

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I feel like charged attacks mostly need reworking

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Charged spear throw on Guan may be good, but...

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Other than that, bow charge just doesn't feel worthwhile, etc

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Power shotting isn't as satisfying or as potent as it was in Bastion

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feels a little harder to time, too

leaden pine Feb 5, 2020, 3:59 AM

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Second Wave vs Wave Pounding, which would you take with Poseidon Cast?

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(Bow build, no other knockback)

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 3:59 AM

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do you have rupture?

leaden pine Feb 5, 2020, 3:59 AM

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nope

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 3:59 AM

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is second wave the legendary?

leaden pine Feb 5, 2020, 3:59 AM

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yes

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 3:59 AM

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I'd take the legendary and look for rupture

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unless you're in Styx

leaden pine Feb 5, 2020, 4:00 AM

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ok that makes sense, thanks

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 4:12 AM

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What's wave pounding

odd quarry Feb 5, 2020, 4:14 AM

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Poseidon's boss damage boon

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Essentially any knockback effects you have now deal extra damage to bosses (since they can't actually do any knockback)

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Also quick question; between Divine Strike and Athena's Aid, which would be more useful? I'm using Zag-aspect Varatha with the Flurry Stab Deadalus boon, so I don't know if that makes a difference

leaden pine Feb 5, 2020, 4:28 AM

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so I know some people don't like Ice Wine but

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er not ice wine, Blizzard Shot

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https://imgur.com/rz24mkv

Imgur

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this was a super silly run

visual igloo Feb 5, 2020, 4:33 AM

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odd quarry Feb 5, 2020, 4:35 AM

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I actually found pre-buff Demeter's lasers to be kinda silly and fun to use too

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if you have 3 casts, you can encircle enemies so they're the disco ball in a laser light show

smoky oasis Feb 5, 2020, 4:38 AM

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possedon double push back is actually fun

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1 arrow and whole room in styx is dead

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 4:38 AM

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how goofy is demeter cast hera

smoky oasis Feb 5, 2020, 4:39 AM

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it's not that great though

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u want high dmg cast instead

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festie fog and blades are the best

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 4:42 AM

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just beat hades with the chiron bow

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Demeter special really, really helped

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 4:42 AM

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i had 8 cast ice wine on hera bow once
wew

bold salmon Feb 5, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Pos sword with art cast is a little stupid 😅

steep sentinel Feb 5, 2020, 4:52 AM

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That feel when you go just one more chamber past the satyr sack and lose 2 death defiance there

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 4:53 AM

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hu·bris
/ˈ(h)yo͞obrəs/
noun: hubris
excessive pride or self-confidence.

steep sentinel Feb 5, 2020, 4:56 AM

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yes

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and final boss finished me off ;_;

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 4:57 AM

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I feel like Wave Pounding isn't a great boon in concept. It should be baked into Poseidon effects.

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@steep sentinel That was me taking risky Chaos boons and not counting the rooms before boss.

steep sentinel Feb 5, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Oh I've done that before. Ended up with the speed debuff in boss rooms before

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Not too bad.

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What's horrible is -Attack or -Special selfdamage on chaos shield or something

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No Attack Hestia Rail

steep sentinel Feb 5, 2020, 5:03 AM

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ooof

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Wave Pounding will work as a separate boon if it becomes an ultimate damage modifier, like crits, or Heart Rend.

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Get the Epic Version for 30%? All Knockback damage get a 1.3x multiplier slapped on against enemies who cannot be knocked back.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:05 AM

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I guess

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Currently it's a bit... well, bad

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That tiny amount of damage, and you need an extra boon just to make Poseidon do anything to knockback-proof bosses and enemies

steep sentinel Feb 5, 2020, 5:09 AM

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oh for... I forgot about my special boon AGAIN

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I think I've forgotten I can use it 9 out of 10 runs

trail timber Feb 5, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Hmmmmm

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Is it a known bug that you can knock the hydra beyond the arena's wall with casts?

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:17 AM

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@floral creek Is that factoring in how broken it is on some specific aspects, like Chaos and Chiron?

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Hangover is ludicrously powerful when you can stack it that fast.

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Pathetically bad when you can't, but if you can burst up to 5 it's a run winner almost by itself.

floral creek Feb 5, 2020, 5:18 AM

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The same applies. I'd rather have lower time to kill than have hangover stacked. Hangover loses near universally in that regard.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Too niche is a valid concern, but dio chaos is basically meta...

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Uh, dunno what you've been playing with, but dio special chaos has some of the lowest ttk I've seen so far.

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 5:19 AM

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hangover on chaos shield is the single most common build i see

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Faster than doom

obtuse ravine Feb 5, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Hangover is also really good for proccing Privileged Status, same with weak and chill bc of their durations

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Chill or weak attack+hangover special Chaos is the ultimate cheese

bold salmon Feb 5, 2020, 5:20 AM

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My question is why go Dio when you can go Pos with ruptured?

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Almost have to be trying not to kill things to be slow that way

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Because poseidon without the RNG to get ruptured on top of a good attack is gods-awful against bosses...

obtuse ravine Feb 5, 2020, 5:21 AM

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^

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:21 AM

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Poseidon takes the most investment to be boss relevant in any way

obtuse ravine Feb 5, 2020, 5:21 AM

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go Poseidon early

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 5:21 AM

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hangover is also pretty good on rail i hear, havent tried it myself yet though

obtuse ravine Feb 5, 2020, 5:21 AM

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but if you're having difficulty proccing privstatus, go Dio/Aphro/Demeter

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:21 AM

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If you don't fully commit, he's basically a looter god.

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Or, I should say, mobbing/looting

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That said, an early room epic tier loot increase boon from Poseidon is always a happy occasion

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@thorny edge On what, special or attack?

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 5:24 AM

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attack

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:24 AM

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It's not nearly as fast as chaos/chiron one shot max stacking and getting ludicrous dps

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Zeus attack is better

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Unless you get spreadshot. Then Dio is just as busted as it is on chaos.

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Spread shot dio attack, your choice of debuff for special and maybe the rocket or cluster hammer, divine dash if you're lucky, and... win, especially if you're rocking Eris rail and cluster

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Actually. Demeter special, demeter legendary or the decay boon, cluster bomb. That and one shot max poison...

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 5:27 AM

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ooh that sounds fun

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Oh, it is. I didn't get the spread half, but any mass status curse with cluster is hilarious. I wasn't even on Eris either, but it's on my radar now because I realized how scary it can get

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Cluster is probably just a stupidly good hammer though

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Doom, weak/charm, chill, you name it. Crit if you have rocket cluster for extra fun times.

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Especially if you're good at shenanigans with walls and boss hitboxes. Dash close and lob off solid objects to make the mortars pile up.

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Is it obvious yet that I was a Galleon Mortar fanatic?

elfin wagon Feb 5, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Hangover hits every 0.5 sec, for 4 sec, and can have 5 stacks. So Hangover can multiply damage by 40

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The hangover attack hits for 5 damage, so it's 200 damage over 4 sec. Pretty good. Get a pom then it's 280

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:34 AM

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And again, if you can go ape and 5 stack in less than half a second...

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It's just busted

elfin wagon Feb 5, 2020, 5:34 AM

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And synergize it with Flurry upgrades, or rail or sword

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Honestly the most broken one for shotgun type weapons.

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Flurry style is most potent with Zeus

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Hangover's niche is shotguns

elfin wagon Feb 5, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Zeus is great with Flurry. Hangover can let you hit and run if you want to

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:36 AM

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True. It's more defensive on flurries. But I think peak DPS is a zeus build on those.

odd quarry Feb 5, 2020, 5:36 AM

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I find hangover ironically gets better the less chances you have to apply it

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Actually

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It's not hangover that needs reworking

odd quarry Feb 5, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Since if it’s on your attack, as an example, you’ll reach that 5 stack limit p fast, and any extra hits you get are effectively wasted until 1 or more wear off

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:37 AM

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I feel like the issue is with charged weapons especially, and slow single hits generally being a bit disadvantaged versus multishots in general

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Hestia is the exception because Hestia has so much damage it scales to an insane degree.

odd quarry Feb 5, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Now the ideal then, is a multiattack move that doesn’t get released as often, for large damage. See: Chaos Shield Special

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:38 AM

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But charged bow shots just don't feel viable, etc

odd quarry Feb 5, 2020, 5:39 AM

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On that topic Felis, a good summary:

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:39 AM

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They're slower, have a higher skill floor than one and done sniper hestia, and almost always weaker

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Charged Throw Guan is possibly an exception?

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400% on that thing is no joke because it's got innate pseudo explosive throw mechanics

odd quarry Feb 5, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Charged attacks encourage you to stand perfectly still while almost everything else in the game (dashes, enemy attacks, traps, etc) encourage you to keep moving

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 5:40 AM

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its strong yes....

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Oh yeah

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 5:40 AM

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standing still gets you killed lol

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Maybe charges should let you move and aim?

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That might make non flurry type bow builds less bad

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 5:41 AM

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I will not sleep until those GARBAGE SATYRS ARE NERFED TO HELL AND BACK

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:41 AM

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Exception goes to shield, because it literally has a mechanic that allows you to stand still

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But other charges should let you move

floral creek Feb 5, 2020, 5:41 AM

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charged bow builds are incredibly strong. Hammer upgrades are key to those builds. Twin/explosive or triple/explosive builds deal absurd amounts of damage with most any attack boon. They work best with zagreus aspect.

By absurd damage I mean 30-second clear of the last boss through both phases

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Huh. Really

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Haven't seen much talk about them at all

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But I mean, stuff like Perfect Shot seems kinda... not good

elfin wagon Feb 5, 2020, 5:43 AM

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According to the documentary on making Hades, animating moving while aiming needs a lot of stuff

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Twin shot is a multishot

floral creek Feb 5, 2020, 5:43 AM

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They're harder to pilot because of the increased vulnerability. With triple (the higher damage build) you're always shooting from point blank to get all three shots in.

elfin wagon Feb 5, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Need to animate strafing, etc

floral creek Feb 5, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Yea, power shots are a trap

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:43 AM

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You're still ultimately talking about multishots.

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My point was

floral creek Feb 5, 2020, 5:43 AM

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damage bonus isn't remotely worth the vulnerability

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Single high damage hits like power shots are bad

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They're too slow, too perfectionistic in timing, and too unrewarding

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Power shots need a rework

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Either to be ludicrously powerful, grant innate pierce or some nonsense like that, or just be much faster and easier

floral creek Feb 5, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Past that, now that base range has been increased for the other charge hammer upgrades (spear throw, etc), those are also really strong. I'd have to double check, but the damage bonus might be multiplicative.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Spear throw IS pretty solid, I've heard

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Mostly I feel like it's power shot that feels gimped

floral creek Feb 5, 2020, 5:45 AM

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It is. As is the bow special charge, though that's likely only worth it with Chiron aspect.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Going to post about power shot specifically then

floral creek Feb 5, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Power shots really only feel useful with crit builds, where the base damage bonus adds a lot. Worth noting that hermes attack/special boons are more or less required for a lot of these builds.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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oh my lard

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Multihit is just too good imo

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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so I've been saying that Chaos shield is missing a shield before

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Or single hit is underpowered in general compared to the sheer potency of multihits

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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I just tested it a few times, and it turns out Chaos shoots out 2 shields from the front

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your main one and an extra one on top of it

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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One dual shot from a bow can oneshot armored enemies, because the second instance hits after armor

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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so it looks like it shoots a total of 5 shields, but it's actually 5+1

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Welp

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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which is the correct amount

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Maybe suggest that the 6th shield be moved a tiny bit to be visible?

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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they'd probably make it shoot in a Y pattern

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or worse, come out of Zag's ass

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Nah

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But I wouldn't mind an ass shield

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Although that sounds like a Norse thing.

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You know

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An Asgardian

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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cause as it stands right now, it does double damage on primary shield's impact

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cause the extra front shield seems to follow the main shield's pattern

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:53 AM

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Also no, I mean move it a few frames ahead or behind the shield

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:54 AM

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I actually wonder why the extra shields come out of Zag and not the shield itself

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 5:54 AM

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Just so it overlaps partly but follows the exact same pattern

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 5:54 AM

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i'm still pissed about that nerf to chaos shield

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i did not pump that much titan blood into it just to have all my shields flying off in a star pattern

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:55 AM

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it's still absolutely busted

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100% damage block plus massive special damage

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 5:56 AM

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yeah, but that's the point

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:56 AM

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the extra shields could fly out in a zig zag pattern and it'd still be good

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 5:56 AM

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you have to put a lot of titan blood, do a lot of runs, to get that damage

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 5:56 AM

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i guess i should level the chaos shield

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 5:56 AM

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i don't mind something being op if i earned it

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:56 AM

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that applies to literally every non-Zag aspect

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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zeus aspect is fun but there's a few annoying flaws with it

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that makes it meh

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like not deflecting while it's spinning

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just why

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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I definitely do not enjoy Zeus' playstyle, same with Hestia

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constantly spamming the reload button

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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what

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wtf

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ok then

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do you play on m&k or controller

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:58 AM

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mnk

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 5:58 AM

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controller i've heard it's a pain

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 5:58 AM

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you clearly have not seen what 700 damage per shot before asphodel looks like

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 5:58 AM

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huh weird

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i don't find it too bad

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 5:58 AM

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nah nah, other way around

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controller is much easier than mnk

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 5:59 AM

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for hestia?

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 5:59 AM

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for the whole game

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:59 AM

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I disagree with that entirely

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 5:59 AM

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i know the game apparently feels better on controller but for hestia ppl get annoyed at needing to rebind on controller for hestia

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 5:59 AM

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most fighting that isn't spamming the shield's bull rush needs 3 hands, one to move, one to aim, and one to fire.
using a controller sets that right.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 5:59 AM

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uh, what?

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 5:59 AM

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what? lol

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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I move and reload with one hand

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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you need two hands to move your mouse?

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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^...

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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I could bind the reload to my mouse even, as I have 5 buttons on it

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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urgh. open your control settings.

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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you aim and fire with one hand

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as it's on the mouse

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and you move with your keyboard

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and can also reload with the same hand that you're using to move

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like what

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 6:01 AM

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this game uses four keys for four directions. so one hand must always be on directional keys and cannot leave.
aiming and firing means you'll be wiggling your hand a lot and misfiring half the time, especially on a mousepad.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:01 AM

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I don't use the same hand to reload and shot

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:01 AM

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who uses a mousepad

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:01 AM

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and even if I did, I wouldn't have to move my hand

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 6:02 AM

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literally everyone with a laptop?

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:02 AM

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a mouse exists?

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 6:02 AM

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if you're gonna plug a mouse in, you may as well plug a whole controller in

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:02 AM

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you lost me there, bud

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:02 AM

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you lost me ages ago, lol

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 6:02 AM

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this is why i don't talk to gamers

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can't say crap to them

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:03 AM

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well when you're insinuating people need 3 hands to play a video game...

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:03 AM

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I guess I have 3 hands

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that's what happens when you've been playing with a keyboard and mouse on your computer

manic ermine Feb 5, 2020, 6:03 AM

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How do you think people play FPS

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:04 AM

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3 hands, obviously

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:04 AM

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with 3 hands, obviously

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 6:04 AM

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y'all really gonna say that to me and then insinuate fps is a pc-exclusive genre

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:04 AM

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and those RTS dudes? Total freaks

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they must have at least 4 hands

clever dock Feb 5, 2020, 6:04 AM

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i heard pro gamers use 4

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:04 AM

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mhm

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:04 AM

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maybe even 5!!

clever dock Feb 5, 2020, 6:04 AM

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shadeohboy

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 6:04 AM

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i must have been imaging all of that call of duty on xbox and playstation

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:04 AM

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well, those people are missing hands

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that's why they're not allowed to play against PC players

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:05 AM

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just get another one. they're not too expensive

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:05 AM

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with their extra hands for their mice and keyboards

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 6:05 AM

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yes they exist on console but MBK is universally considered better for FPS games

manic ermine Feb 5, 2020, 6:05 AM

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I dont want to sound mean but you know using a controller for fps is considered a handicap

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 6:05 AM

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i play FPSs on console and i agree witth that

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:05 AM

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and you do not need two inputs for aiming and firing

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you do them with the same input

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if you think otherwise i suppose you just haven't used a mouse

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 6:07 AM

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I can understand how a mousepad can be difficult, and you dont need a reason to enjoy playing with a controller more
but plenty of people play KBM with no issue

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:07 AM

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i even still use R for reload and don't find movement to be an issue

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i rebound my special to a mouse button though

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but Q wasn't crippling either

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so 🤷‍♂️

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:08 AM

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@pallid dagger The point is that chaos shield is just as busted as it used to be, pattern change or not

leaden pine Feb 5, 2020, 6:08 AM

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I don't find arguing over "what's better" ever brings anything positive or of value to the discussion

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with regard to mouse and keyboard vs controller

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use what feels good for you

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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i don't think anyone was

pallid dagger Feb 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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again, this is why i don't talk to gamers.
can't say crap to them. this is what happens.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Also "I don't talk to gamers" in a videogame developer's discord server... is this for real

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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the talks was about needing 3 hands to use mnk

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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you're the one who came on being rude

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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and yeah.. this is the official discord for a company with numerous video games

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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@fiery shale When you say Zeus doesn't deflect, do you mean with the athena special?

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:10 AM

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you came in here, said something, people responded to it, you responded rudely and attacked their pasttimes then play the victim card

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yeah

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only the throw animation counts

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it blows

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it's so weird because everything else works

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:10 AM

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"bUt ThE gAmErS" is such a lame argument to make lmao

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Have you sent that in feedback, Major?

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:10 AM

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i mean it could be for the sake of balance? but it's still like

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:10 AM

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It sounds like a bug or oversight

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:10 AM

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I have my special on the right mouse button and cast on Q

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:10 AM

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so crippling to the aspect

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:10 AM

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There is no way that's balanced

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:10 AM

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nah i haven't

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:11 AM

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since I use the special more often than cast

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Far more busted deflects exist

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Please tell them

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:11 AM

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the only feedback i've given is after i bought a pom of power and it did literally nothing

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:11 AM

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it gave you 170 gold!

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:11 AM

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If you have no boons eligible it doesn't, yeah. Should be unbuyable then

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But do mention that issue with athena

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I'll upvote, it sounds bad

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Guan's entire throw can deflect. I'm sure it's not intended to do that on Zeus.

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 6:12 AM

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RNG is also unbuyable...

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:12 AM

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you could technically buy the pom with no boons and, if you have +gold find from Chaos, you'd get more than 170 gold

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:12 AM

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i'll do that then, yeah

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 6:13 AM

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I still have to get Guan. The hype around is too tempting. sweating

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:13 AM

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you need 15 blood to max out GY

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it's rather punishing before you do

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 6:13 AM

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For 5 Dolla RNG-Jesus Loves you long time....

unborn trellis Feb 5, 2020, 6:13 AM

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And you kinda need to max it to use it

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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well, no, but it's harder if you don't max it out

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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❤️

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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i use it just fine with only putting one level in it, you'll want to max it in higher heats of course but by then you'll have enough blood

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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I saw a 32 heat lvl 1 GY run

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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@opal bay It's... well, sink or swim. Either feels like the best thing ever or a miserable hell of an aspect.

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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sent it in

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Depends on your heats.

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Well damn. Then to farm the battles I guess. I still have to unlock it too. So like I guess it will take me 16? Since I have two bloods atm.

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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GY felt unplayable against bosses at level 1

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with level 5 it's so much more bearable

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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One point of budget cuts is a nightmare when it deletes your entire bonus health stock

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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i just had a run where i got both quick spin and massive spin and oh my GOD

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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So you'd just be down to, what, 12 health at rank 1?

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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probably the best build i've played to date

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Quick Massive spin is so good

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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30 these dayys i think

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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I only died to Hades because my DPS wasn't that good, but...

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/174296260407328770/674454607015051315/unknown.png

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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when itt launched it wasss 20 or 25

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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didn't even have the greatest attack boon

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Budget cuts, man

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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only rare

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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@thorny edge I meant if you go rank 1 GY and have no +health from mirror

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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oh right the mirror buffs the health lol

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Man, chaos egg run

manic ermine Feb 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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I recommend trying charged skewer on guan yu

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Major, you're sitting on two chaos attack buffs. That's nuts.

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That's a LOTTA DAMAGE

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:17 AM

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yeah it was nuts

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wiped hades like nothing

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:17 AM

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I was doing something like 150s per spin on Budget 1

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Which is... Bad Times

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Remember when Chaos gave me like 3 boons

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:17 AM

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45 health, nothing above that tier

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 6:17 AM

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So good

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:17 AM

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No privileged, no boiling

unborn trellis Feb 5, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Ooooof

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Two casts and no backstab bonus just to get my HP up to 45

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25 HP Guan is hellish

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:18 AM

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oh, it's actually level 3 and at 40 heat
https://youtu.be/_TZJbT1sQyA

YouTube

horheristo

UNKILLABLE 【Hades, 40 HEAT / TORTURE% Run, Broken A** Spear】

WELP, I'm not doing another run when Supergiant catches wind of this video. Just add it one to my collection of "Games that I got patched".

So let's break this run down:

Guan Yu Spear was added at the latest patch (Jan '20). It dramatically reduces your max hp, but deals ...

▶ Play video

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:18 AM

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I lost two DD to Meg and just died to a bomb skeleton

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:18 AM

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but he does use the HP regen bug

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:18 AM

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What bug?

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The 1HP working at 100% healing nerf?

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:19 AM

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if the rarity of attack/special is increased, via Eurydice, Rare Crop, or boon replacement, it increases the amount of HP you get from GY's spin

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by +1

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so in case of rare crop, that +4 HP, for a total of 5 HP off each tick

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Oh, that is busted

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Is it still a thing

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:20 AM

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what the f

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5 hp per hit

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Wait, it counts special?

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:20 AM

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it's still a thing, yeah

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Why even?

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That sounds really, really broken

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:20 AM

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I guess because both of em affect the weapon

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:21 AM

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Hmm

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:21 AM

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it counts special's rarity increase for the spin HP regen increase

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:21 AM

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I feel like if it's patched, though, GY should heal more on a charged attack based on charge tier

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:21 AM

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it doesn't regen off the special

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:21 AM

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Like, full charge should heal more

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:21 AM

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I don't think that's necessary

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:22 AM

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Not necessary, but it'd be nice.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:22 AM

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GY is already very good, and quite busted if you get the spin speed hammer

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and even if you don't, special charge is a good backup

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:22 AM

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Then again, that would make quick spin even more meta, yeah

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Nevermind

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Although it's hard to regen on Hades.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:22 AM

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just use Skelly

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:22 AM

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against any boss it's harder i think

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lifesteal works best on trash mobs

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Then again, I feel like it's one of the worst aspects to Budget Cut in the entire game

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:23 AM

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it's not hard against Hydra

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:23 AM

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@lament coral no summons. I don't have the blood to waste on the zag sword of all things.

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:23 AM

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yeah except hydra because hydra spawns trash mobs for you

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:23 AM

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heads don't move all that often and even when they do their range is limited

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well, suit yourself

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:23 AM

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ye all the other ones i'm talking about

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good catch

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:23 AM

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That would be flushing 5 titan blood down the drain on an aspect that's only really good for memes

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Aks shenanigans runs with hermes

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:24 AM

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that's true

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Zag sword is garbage

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:24 AM

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i want to love the sword but the spear feels better in every regard :L

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Not garbage, exactly

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Just... well, its buffs are strictly for-fun

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They're better than Zag rail.

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Which is just... ugh

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:25 AM

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poseidon would be better if taking damage didn't constantly interrupt your special

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:25 AM

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you really think so?

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:25 AM

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i maxed zag rail and it's the biggest waste lol

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:25 AM

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cause I think extra bullets are better than a longer dash

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:25 AM

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Concentrated Fire is the only use of zag rail

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:25 AM

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the other two aspects are way more fun and practical

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:25 AM

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And that requires you to stand still

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:25 AM

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even though Delta negates the aspect entirely

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:25 AM

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You know what would make it good?

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:26 AM

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well zag rail's issue is the hammers exist

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Ability to walk while firing

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:26 AM

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and reloading isn't even that long

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:26 AM

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see, that's exactly what I suggested

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:26 AM

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So you could really be Heavy Weapons Guy with ConcFire

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:26 AM

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yeah that was really weird when i picked up rail the first time

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couldn't move while firing

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:26 AM

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That would immediately make Concentrated/Flurry Zag Zeus really good

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:26 AM

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it feels so slow and kinda unecessary?

limber spire Feb 5, 2020, 6:26 AM

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also you can just use your other abilities during reload

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:26 AM

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makes it closer to the bow than it ought to be

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Without moving, it's terrible

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Add an extra ability to level 5 weapon aspects.
Pumping the weapon aspects is a serious investment and I feel it would've been cooler if reaching the final aspect level unlocked an additional aspect trait. Some of the examples of what the level 5 bonuses could be:
Zagreus sword: gain +15% attack, special, and cast speed;
Zagreus spear: gain flurry special;
Zagreus shield: gain Blowback (Blowback: damage resistance increases your attack and Bull Rush damage);
Zagreus bow: gain Lionheart (Lionheart: your attack charges 15% faster and your Power Shot timer is doubled);
Zagreus rail: gain Run'n'Gun (Run'n'Gun': your attack, special, and cast are not interrupted by moving or dashing).

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Extra bullets are nearly useless lmao

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:27 AM

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feels like it yeah

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it's something that looks super nice on paper

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so it was cheap and i got it

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Again, move speed is at least entertaining.

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:27 AM

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used it and got offered unlimited ammo to start the run with on hammer

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game's just mocking me

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Bigger mag is about as useful as putting Zeus on Hestia.

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 6:27 AM

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im watching the noclip documentary on hadess atm and im on the part talking about this

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Oh right. The damned animation tax

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 6:28 AM

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animation while moving?

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yeah

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F

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Okay, so. DR while firing.

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 6:28 AM

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you cant move while shootting because it would be waaaay hard to animate moving while shooting

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Ramps up per bullet.

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If you're gonna have to stand there like a chump, at least make Zag able to take hits.

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 6:28 AM

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the original idea seems tooo have been have zag float while shootiing a gun

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Put a riot shield on the front

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And make it MHW HBG style

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Or put that on the concentrated fire hammer

thorny edge Feb 5, 2020, 6:30 AM

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i think the floating and moving while shooting could be a fun magic weapon

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Ugh, I still need to get MHW a.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Staff when

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 6:34 AM

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the cooking game with some hack and slash on the side?

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:34 AM

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You know those staff wielding enemies?

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That

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I want that kind of attack

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Charge to shoot that giant slow burst that explodes into a spread of shots

obsidian bluff Feb 5, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Another thing is that it might make it heal op

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 6:40 AM

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I feel like turning on aim assist was a mistake. I feel like I'm gonna walk through the rest of this game with less than zero trouble.

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Okay, it's not giving me shots if I'm way off.

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But the amount of "sling my mouse in one direction and delete something with Hestia" is a little high right now.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:46 AM

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Lmao, I see one person who downvotes everything I suggest like clockwork

frosty pier Feb 5, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Because it's a bot?

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:47 AM

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It's been a week, I wonder if they'll ever get tired

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No, one actual user

frosty pier Feb 5, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Kek Time to turn up the feedback?)

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 6:47 AM

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You've got three different posts all with different downvotes (except Styxbot).

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Oh, this is over several days

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Other people also get mass thumbs down from the same person

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 6:49 AM

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This doesn't seem like it's a subject worth pursuing.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:49 AM

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It's just funny to see.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 6:49 AM

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We're here to discuss our various opinions.

faint sonnet Feb 5, 2020, 6:56 AM

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Chaos

timber turret Feb 5, 2020, 6:57 AM

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Yeah chaos sounds good since i do lots of rushing

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:57 AM

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Chaos is meta, but zeus can be good, has its fans

timber turret Feb 5, 2020, 6:57 AM

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Whats the blitz discs like?

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:57 AM

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But it has that huge bug with Athena deflect not working on the throw, so just beware if you run zeus athena

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Afaik it's some kind of buzzsaw that floats and ticks up damage

frosty pier Feb 5, 2020, 6:58 AM

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Why even use Charge when you can Dash-attack wretches into next week?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 6:58 AM

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That's a pretty good description.

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Because it's decent base damage and hella i-frames.

timber turret Feb 5, 2020, 6:58 AM

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Hahaha i just love bashing enemies into walls not into the dash attack shield shlick

frosty pier Feb 5, 2020, 6:59 AM

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Blitz-disc is a Yo-yo that murders people

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 6:59 AM

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Ugh, that was the worst Bleach villain.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 6:59 AM

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I actually want to unlock that one now

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Because I like the idea of a floating doom saw

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But I might focus on chiron next.

frosty pier Feb 5, 2020, 6:59 AM

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It is beautifull.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:00 AM

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Gotta get an aspect worth using on every weapon

frosty pier Feb 5, 2020, 7:00 AM

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That tastefull cheese potential thru the roof.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:00 AM

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Is Nemesis currently better or worse than Poseidon?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:00 AM

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Worse, but only in a "Aspect of Poseidon is S-tier" way.

timber turret Feb 5, 2020, 7:00 AM

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Ooh i tried out the aspect of zeus i just quit on my current game i really like it as well

frosty pier Feb 5, 2020, 7:01 AM

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I think people who use Poseidon just dont want to use the sword itself.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:01 AM

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The sword for people who hate swords?

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Might be for me. Sword is my least favorite weapon

frosty pier Feb 5, 2020, 7:02 AM

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That bonus cast damage is pretty good

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:02 AM

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The sword is already super strong, it's just that it's total lack of ranged game or defense really hurt it.

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 7:02 AM

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i dunno i don't know if i can win with the rail..sigh

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Poseidon makes its ranged game really good.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:02 AM

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That is exactly why I hate sword.

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Yeah sword is just "pure dps with closed range"

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:02 AM

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I suggest you fish for a Double Edge spawn, run Nemesis Aspect. Dash Attack twice, Nova, rinse and repeat.

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That is, in my opinion, the sword's best melee build.

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Nemesis aspect is so good tbh

shrewd topaz Feb 5, 2020, 7:03 AM

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We had a convo about this yesterday, sword isn't bad it's just weaker compared to everything else. Especially since it requires you to all in

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Even after nerf

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:03 AM

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It's not weaker.

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It's the middle weapon.

shrewd topaz Feb 5, 2020, 7:04 AM

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I liked yesterday because someone pointed out that you can reach 32 heat on any of the aspects. So it's not so much that it's not viable

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I just think that it is what it is

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I'd like to see nemesis buffed a little bit

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:04 AM

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Was the WR sword stuff before Nemesis nerf?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:05 AM

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The Nemesis nerf was only 5%, 35 to 30.

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:05 AM

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Yeah still though. I felt that 5% slightly. 😔

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:05 AM

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Weirdly, Nemesis was considered one of the strongest aspects in the game before Long Winter, consistently, and Poseidon was largely considered meh

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What happened?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:06 AM

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People weren't experimenting.

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I knew Poseidon was strong since Welcome to Hell, it's how I cleared 20 Heat with the sword.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:06 AM

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also, people tend to rate Hera over Poseidon for cast aspects

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:06 AM

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Hearing that someone used it for a new WR (though I think Haelian apparently got a new record) just bumped it a little higher.

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That boggles my mind, that people preferred Hera.

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I think it's just not wanting to deal with the sword's close range.

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And then someone went "Oh, right, the sword is super mobile."

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:07 AM

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Wouldn't know. I've never played a cast build in my entire time with this game.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:07 AM

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Not even Hunting Blades? Alright, self-imposed challenge, I like it.

shrewd topaz Feb 5, 2020, 7:07 AM

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Cast builds are fun if the stars align

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:08 AM

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I still have to get Hunting Blades. :/

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No luck on my end.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:08 AM

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Well, I mean, I accidentally hunting blades once.

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It won me a game.

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But I didn't go all in on cast boons, because I got it near last

shrewd topaz Feb 5, 2020, 7:08 AM

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I've noticed I usually finish out with several duo boons or none usually. Kind of ironic when you think about it

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:09 AM

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How do you even get it. I know it's duo of (insert name of goddess of huntress) and (insert name of god of war)

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Slicing Shot, Ares's Cast, and any of the rest of Artemis's core boons.

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The Duo spawn rate seems seeded like that and I really don't like it.

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If RNG just happens to not be with me, fine, but getting the boot outright on a particular Duo because reasons?

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:11 AM

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Some of the duo boons feel like a challenge to get them even.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Lost track the number of times I picked up Hunting Blades's prereq boons in Tartarus and getting ten total Ares/Artemis boons afterwards wouldn't drop it.

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 7:12 AM

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i swear this rail runs make me cringe hard

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err These

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Poseidon doesn't make the sword good, it makes the cast better

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the bonus could be on literally any weapon and it'd be good

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:13 AM

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I should really do more cast aspect runs with bow, I have no idea why I don't pick it as much.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:13 AM

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And yet, it's on the sword.

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 7:13 AM

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I'll repeat what I said yesterday "cast is sword's best attack kekw"

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 7:13 AM

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and that's the sad truth

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Nah, Special. Without Nova dislodging Poseidon loses a lot of pizzazz.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 7:14 AM

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hah, nah

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:14 AM

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The sword itself feels clunky after that special interruption thing

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I think that alone would make the sword feel better if it were reverted

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 7:14 AM

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what interruption?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:14 AM

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Nova used to be instant with more end lag.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:14 AM

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you can get whacked out of it, it hurts

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:14 AM

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It's interruptible now.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 7:15 AM

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oh? I thought you just take damage

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Swift Flourish used to remove the start lag, too.

frosty pier Feb 5, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Let's go way back to the T-pose Zag!

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:15 AM

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No, you get knocked out of the attack.

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 7:15 AM

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T-pose special Pog

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 7:15 AM

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but it's not charged either

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:15 AM

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My only problem with sword is how much I don't time well special and cancel it midway through with an attack.

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 7:15 AM

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I learned something after 150 hours

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:16 AM

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It's also canceled by your own moves? Double oof

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 7:16 AM

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yet I cannot cancel bow special residentzag

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:16 AM

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Also, is that double special small radius thing as godsawful as it sounds

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because it sounds... bad

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:17 AM

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It's usable.

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Super Nova makes it much better.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:17 AM

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the last thing I want is less range on the sword's anything

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:17 AM

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But you better be wearing your super tryhard pants.

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It was, at one point, unusable.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:17 AM

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On another note, what IS the block angle of shield dudes?

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:17 AM

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I did it once. It's alright, but the lack of radius can screw over you if you aren't careful with spacing.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:17 AM

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And Theseus?

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 7:18 AM

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@sacred idol yes

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Sometimes it feels like Theseus' block angle is over 180 degrees

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rofl

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is that an answer to "does double special on sword suck" or "what's the angle on shieldbros"

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 7:18 AM

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sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:18 AM

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the angle is yes sounds surprisingly correct

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 7:18 AM

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lol

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Something tells me his blocking hurtboxes move instantly and his model has to catch up.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:19 AM

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no, it's that the block radius is probably over 180 deg

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Which is why is feels like he has 345 degrees of protection.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:19 AM

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like the only vulnerable bit is directly behind

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Even when you slow the hell out of a shield warrior, it blocks the same way.

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:19 AM

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I remember hurting him on the side. Again it's just that his hitbox moves a bit faster than a model.

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So it needs better timing.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:20 AM

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Hmm

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I wonder if that's also the case for shielded mooks

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:21 AM

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BUT what I can say. May it be me or the update, but I hit the shield and Thesues more consistently in the right spot.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:21 AM

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Oof

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Mutually exclusive cluster rocket?

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no fun allowed :c

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:21 AM

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It's kinda dumb.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:21 AM

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That sounds like the most fun of all the builds I've never gotten though

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 7:21 AM

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nobody:

shieldbearers: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/b/b4/Eight_Trigrams_Palms_Revolving_Heaven.png/revision/latest?cb=20150316094721

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:21 AM

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rofl

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:22 AM

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I was getting 5k Clusters with Heart Rend and a bit of luck on Deadly Flourish/Reversal.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:22 AM

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I mean, you're using Heart Rend and Deadly Reversal.

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At that point, you'd be broken with one rocket.

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Heart Rend being multiplicative is a bit silly

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Imagine if rockets could pierce

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:23 AM

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It'd be old Explosive and Piercing Fire!

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:23 AM

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If you're not going absolutely ape on the crits, it's not usually THAT busted

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:24 AM

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I guess you're not wrong.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Rockets just make the cluster easier to hit with.

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The real OP is having 450% crit on a rocket launcher

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:24 AM

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I had a Hestia shot breach 2700.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:24 AM

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that being said, that sounds like a nasty build

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I want it

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never had crits that spicy in this game.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:25 AM

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BRB, doing my due dilligence.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:25 AM

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"What is this, Warframe?"

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:25 AM

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https://youtu.be/z_qXvU1DJQU

YouTube

LordofBays

Aphrodite's Gentle Caress

This is only a little silly.

▶ Play video

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:27 AM

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Man seeing 4 digit number attack would be my dream come true.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:28 AM

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OPenheimer

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:28 AM

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Wildest number I have seen was 860 I think and that was with the nemesis aspect.

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 7:29 AM

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that's easy just pick hera bow

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:29 AM

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Hera doesn't provide a damage bonus, how is she helping you get big numbers?

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:30 AM

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thanthink

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May as well go for Chaos too

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:30 AM

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cast stacking?

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 7:32 AM

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^you can easily encounter chaos +1 cast or cast damage boon and either dio, athena or aphrodite cast

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:35 AM

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You're putting a lot of faith in RNG.

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 7:35 AM

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Yeah but that's not numbers tho cause you have to add them up yourself and nobody got time for that

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:35 AM

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isn't that basically how poseidon works too?

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the Fates demand a lot of cast builds

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:36 AM

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Yeah, but the sword by itself is better than the bow by itself.

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 7:36 AM

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With poseidon you get a free 50% cast damage too

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:36 AM

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Minus an Aspect, as it were.

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 7:37 AM

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50? i remember it's 20

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suit yourself i don't wanna argue which weapon is better

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 7:38 AM

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Oh does it

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I thought it was 50

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:38 AM

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It's 50 at max level.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:38 AM

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eh, I'd rather use the bow than the sword

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at least, with some decent hammering

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:39 AM

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Really? Even when the bow is best with Power Shots?

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 7:40 AM

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i'm doing a bow run right now and the stars are aligning so hard

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 7:40 AM

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powershot is just ok, both chiron and hera doesn't really need it

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 7:40 AM

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started with posiedons keepsake. got the special boon at epic (im using chiron aspect)

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then grabbed a zeus boon for cast

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onto asphodel swap to thunder signet

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get the duo boon

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then i get into a trial of the gods room with zeus/posiedon

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picked posiedon and got the rupture boon

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wiped the room, grabbed zeus and got the jolt boon

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:41 AM

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I think Zag Aspect is the bow's best.

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 7:41 AM

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like

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wtf

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all epic too

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oh i also have the hammer for +4 on special

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got that near the beginning

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:42 AM

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Power Shots feel awful

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 7:43 AM

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i know crit is good but i like consistent damage more, mostly just pick artemis for support fire or some support for cast build

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:43 AM

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on controller, the power shot timing follows this swing of the camera that I can't get used to

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:43 AM

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Cool, so we all have our subjective feelings on how the bow best plays.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:43 AM

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may be autoaim

shrewd topaz Feb 5, 2020, 7:43 AM

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Chiron and Hera are really strong, I don't find Zag to be particularly strong

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:43 AM

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+4 special shots raises Chiron to 11?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:43 AM

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Yes.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 7:43 AM

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sick

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:44 AM

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Took me trying a Crit Zagreus Aspect build to get 20 Heat cleared.

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 7:44 AM

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honestly you might be the first i see to enjoy zag bow more than the other aspects

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 7:48 AM

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i like Dio boons thats just me

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:49 AM

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I'd say Dionysus is either 3rd or 4th strongest.

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 7:49 AM

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im refering to my rail run so far

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:49 AM

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He's especially strong on the Rail.

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:50 AM

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Dio on rail with burst shots.

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rtgameWooloo

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 7:50 AM

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Flurry more gooder

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 7:50 AM

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my dio one with triple shot inf ammo

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is what im doing atm

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its not bad

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 7:50 AM

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dio is the best imo, works well with every weapons except shield

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:51 AM

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Flurry with Zeus, Spread with everything besides Ares.

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I guess Delta wouldn't be awful with Ares?

mild crag Feb 5, 2020, 7:51 AM

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Oh yeah spread

frosty pier Feb 5, 2020, 7:52 AM

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Dio can work with shield very well dunno what you are talking about.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:53 AM

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I thought the Easy Bake 32 Heat clear was Drunken Flourish with Chaos Aspect.

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It's how I got it.

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 7:53 AM

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does acorn work against hades?

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 7:53 AM

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as soon as i can win ONCE with rail and bow i will try it

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:53 AM

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Dio doesn't work only on bow attack I feel. Otherwise it can go well with special. Can't say the same thing for the most specials for dio. Unless you get five bombs on rail special, double use on swords special, just spear or zeus aspect special for shield.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:55 AM

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Could make it work with Twin, Triple, or Flurry Shot.

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:55 AM

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True

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:55 AM

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Maybe Flurry Shot least of all, plus you're kinda wasting that juicy 50 base damage.

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:55 AM

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Forgot about dem

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So if speaking relatively, dio does well on everything, unless they lack some hammer upgrades or have a wrong aspect. Chaos shield with dio just doesn't sound plausible.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 7:57 AM

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Instant five stacks with max level Chaos.

green sable Feb 5, 2020, 7:57 AM

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try it and find out

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 7:59 AM

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new chaos?

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 7:59 AM

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I can't really play with chaos shield. I don't know why I can't do well with it.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 8:01 AM

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Acorn works on every boss @fiery shale

shrewd topaz Feb 5, 2020, 8:01 AM

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Keep your defence up, charge. Apply priv status with your Q. Rinse and repeat

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 8:02 AM

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Chaos shield Dio is meta @opal bay

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:02 AM

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sweet, thanks

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 8:02 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/mKfRj0a.png

Imgur

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:02 AM

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it said underworld bosses and i believe EM has the same wording but i don't think it gives hades more moves?

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does it?

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 8:03 AM

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EM currently does not buff Hades.

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:03 AM

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yeah which is why it confused me on acorn

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but good to know

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 8:03 AM

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Whether we'll see a new Pact option or a 4th level at some point, maybe.

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 8:03 AM

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EM is per floor.

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 8:04 AM

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I should revise my tier list, Nemesis is high A.

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:04 AM

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i was going to pick it up for styx to level it a bit but thought it didn't and kept demeter's keepsake for a chance as dem/zeus duo

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good to know for the next time though

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 8:04 AM

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God, I love Cold Fusion.

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:05 AM

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i have a full chiron pos/zeus build

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rupture, jolt and their duo

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so i want cold fusion

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holy F

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second wave

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 8:07 AM

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i used to think zeus was op on chiron because each arrow procs lightning strike but it actually doesn't so idk if zeus is worth picking up on chiron anymore

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 8:07 AM

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It's not.

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Zeus Special is really best on Zeus Aspect, and maybe Multi-Skewer Spear.

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:07 AM

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i feel like chiron without like.. posiedon special would suck

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 8:08 AM

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Well, maybe Guan Yu with Swift Flourish.

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:08 AM

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the knockback going into rupture and zeus duo is just ridiculous

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 8:08 AM

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Chiron with Artemis is my favorite.

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Did they fix Sea Storm?

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At one point it proc'd per arrow, then it didn't.

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 8:09 AM

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yeah i should try zeus aspect more, didn't give it enough attention

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:09 AM

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of chiron? it's every hit, yeah

karmic coyote Feb 5, 2020, 8:10 AM

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Chiron with dio for me, instant 5 stacks or more if you get the aphrodite/dio duo

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:17 AM

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man

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i almost sacked my run because i picked explosive shot (to get it off the fate's to-do list)

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the longer charge up time actually got me killed twice during first form hades

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beat him with my last life luckily but man screw that hammer upgrade

opal bay Feb 5, 2020, 8:18 AM

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Can we agree that technically all boons and hammer upgrades made against armor are meh?

dusky steeple Feb 5, 2020, 8:18 AM

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can I just say, tidal dash is hilarious for styx

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 8:18 AM

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Depends...

dusky steeple Feb 5, 2020, 8:18 AM

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especially when you get the wall slam bonus

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:19 AM

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if i already have a solid hammer upgrade and the others are okay-ish, like if i have quick spin on guan yu then i might pick something against armour

dusky steeple Feb 5, 2020, 8:19 AM

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I've got a reasonably strong(?) achilles spear build, with athena casts and crit attacks

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:19 AM

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or a sword build maxing out my attack with flurry or something

dusky steeple Feb 5, 2020, 8:20 AM

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yet there's no point using any of that, when I can just dash around and watch the mayhem

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:20 AM

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i pick it because my build doesn't need anything more against armour

dusky steeple Feb 5, 2020, 8:20 AM

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dash-only clears 😄

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:20 AM

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and the things in elysium suck

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 8:39 AM

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is there a limit to how many fated authorities you can get from key rooms? i entered quite a few and i'm not getting any more rerolls

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:40 AM

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with aspect of chaos on the shield, is dread flight or sudden rush better

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 8:40 AM

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Probably Sudden Rush.

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:40 AM

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that's what i'm thinking yeah

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the fated list will have to wait

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 8:42 AM

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@dim rapids how many did you have when you entered the first one?

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 8:42 AM

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2

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rerolled once

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 8:43 AM

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did you buy the upgrade that actually grants you rerolls from key rooms?

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 8:43 AM

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yes

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i have like 4 now

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but i'm not getting any more lol

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 8:43 AM

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any more key rooms or rerolls from keys?

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 8:43 AM

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yes

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i'm entering key rooms

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in fact i'm in one now give me a sec

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hmm

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ok i got one

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but the indicator of +1 reroll didn't show up

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maybe i didn't notice the change lol

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 8:45 AM

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were you rerolling in order to get key rooms?

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and if you were, did you account for the fact that you used a reroll to get a reroll, meaning a net 0 rerolls gain?

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 8:47 AM

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i think i just didn't keep track of the numbers

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because after a few key rooms

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the +1 indicator doesn't show up anymore

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 8:48 AM

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@fiery shale Apparently Dread Flight does not proc on bonus shields.

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 8:48 AM

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also for extreme measures lvl 1

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 8:48 AM

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that's so lame

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 8:48 AM

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it's not guaranteed that all 3 sisters show up?

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2 times in a row i got only 2 sisters

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 8:48 AM

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yeah, you could get +1 or +2 sisters

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but never 1 sister

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 8:51 AM

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so many key rooms

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but no boons

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what is this run even...

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 8:52 AM

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just rooooll

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 8:52 AM

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can't reroll if it's all blue laurels

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😦

manic ermine Feb 5, 2020, 8:53 AM

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roll for nectar

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 8:55 AM

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right now i'm just keeping all these 7 rerolls for styx or elysum lol

sacred idol Feb 5, 2020, 8:56 AM

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lmao

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Chaos aspect on the shield seems to be the most confusing

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Because some boons seem to work for all of the shields while others seem to only work for some sort of arbitrary main shield. Though I might have that completely wrong

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 9:29 AM

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no, that's pretty accurate

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Zeus special, for example, only works for the main shield, the one that flies out from the front

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the hammer that makes your special bounce 3 extra times only affects your main shield, too

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same with explosive return, not sure about the charge special hammer

versed tide Feb 5, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Ares seems to work on all shields

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Its the most confusing aspect for me

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 9:32 AM

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I think Zeus is the only one that doesn't work

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maybe Poseidon, never tried it tho

tidal thorn Feb 5, 2020, 9:32 AM

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I just assume nothing applies to the bonus shields, then I get a surprise when someone does.

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:32 AM

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There ya go

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Set the bar low

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I'm sure these teeny ambiguities in wording will get clarified down the line

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Cant wait for another weapon aspect though, not to mention an entirely new weapon

tidal thorn Feb 5, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Like with the ranged upgrade on the sword, I really hoped it scalled but was not surprised it didn't.

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:35 AM

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What do you mean

tidal thorn Feb 5, 2020, 9:36 AM

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The ranged, piercing attack the sword can get.

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It doesn't scale with anything.

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Is it a daedalus hammer thing

tidal thorn Feb 5, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Yes.

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:37 AM

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for reference

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weak applies to all thrown shields as well

tidal thorn Feb 5, 2020, 9:37 AM

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It's always just 25 (used to be 20) damage.

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:37 AM

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same with chill

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:37 AM

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The piercing wave

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:37 AM

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i had that same issue as well

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thought all shields would bounce an extra 3 times, ended up getting scamazed

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:37 AM

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It'd be helpful if they were extremely explicit with damage types

tidal thorn Feb 5, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Interesting it applies non damage debuffs

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Yeah I thought the boon that gives you an extra arrow per special would work with the bow special

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But its one arrow per use of special instead of hit the specials attack

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of the specials attack

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So aspect of chiron, landing 7 arrows on a dude gives you one measly extra low damage arrow that comes out, instead of 7

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But with the rail, every attack spawns an arrow

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somethings are just a little ambiguous, but its great we have this discord to hash these things out

tidal thorn Feb 5, 2020, 9:41 AM

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Do you need a certain amount of boons of a god for a Leg of that God to show up or is it just rarity late into the game and luck?

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:42 AM

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The wiki specifies the requirements for each legendary

tidal thorn Feb 5, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Oh, neat. ty

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Yeah its near the bottom after the description of each boon

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Its actually incredibly helpful in choosing the right boons considering how powerful some legendaries or duos can be

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Hope they give hermes some duo boons in the future

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:45 AM

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how do i progress sisyphus' freedom again?

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i've talked to meg already, who's next?

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:46 AM

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Talk to him a lot I think and gift him what he wants. I think if you look at the codex, if it shows a little clock in the next heart bubble, the text will tell you what you need to do

tidal thorn Feb 5, 2020, 9:47 AM

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So what's the best way to get Titan Blood? Just run Tartarus on +1 Heat until you're bored?

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:48 AM

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No because once you earn a heat's reward, it's repaced with regular resoruce

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replaced

tidal thorn Feb 5, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Or do you actually need to finish the PoP reqs once to go to the next heat rewards?

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Which restores the bounties.

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:49 AM

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The way I did it was just beat every heat on every level and the bump it up and continue

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Check shop for deals

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And complete prophecies

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:49 AM

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@dense locust i thought you need to buy the freedom for 10 diamonds? i don't even have that yet

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Well then id say get 10 diamonds

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:50 AM

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i have 33 diamonds...

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Oh hes not offering it

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:50 AM

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i mean that thing isn't in the contractor

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yeah

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there needs to be more steps to do

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Hmm

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:50 AM

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i've talked to sisy > meg > ???

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:51 AM

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Did you read the codex description?

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:51 AM

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i think it's supposed to be hades but past few runs he just keeps talking random garbage lol

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"deepening your relationship"

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means it's maxed out on sisy already

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but if hades has like, what, 18 more conversations

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don't tell me i need to go through all 18 of those before i can pardon sisy?

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:52 AM

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I think it means you have to attempt 18 more runs, not necessarily beat them

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but I could be wrong

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The internet might know

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:52 AM

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i know it's just 18 more runs

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don't want to ruin my streak tho

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rip

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:53 AM

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Oh ahaha

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you will

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might as well do it now

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:53 AM

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i'd say i'm pretty fine as long as i don't do ridiculous heat runs yet

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or have bad luck with boons

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like just now

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but thankfully i was using shield so

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:53 AM

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I think you could do a run, and just kill yourself

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and youll get a new covo

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convo

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but im not positive

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:53 AM

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yeah ik

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that counts as a run

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:54 AM

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but think of that poor man and his adorable boulder

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:55 AM

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wiki says sisy > mega > hades > 10 diamond contract > sisy

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so i'm stuck at hades

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:55 AM

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Go die 18 times

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I sound like the dumbest internet bully

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Any pros out there have some suggestions to beat a heat 32 run as far as weapon choice, aspects, boons, etc...?

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:58 AM

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guan yu

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or shield

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cheapest ways

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:59 AM

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OH! Also, does anyone know if pom porridge can affect a boon more than once

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 9:59 AM

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guan yu + aretemis for big boy plays

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guan yu + athena for maximum safety

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 9:59 AM

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I struggle with guan yu on 15ish heat

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Can you heal with guan yu if the heat has negative 100% healing?

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As in does it effect all healing or just pickups

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affect

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:00 AM

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yes

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i'm pretty sure you can heal from your hold attack with guan yu at healing -100%

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just can't heal from anything else

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unless they patched that out?

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Good to know

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ill try it after this

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:01 AM

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just corner camp

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and spam

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lol

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:01 AM

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I've basically got everything maxed but didnt touch healing, darkness, or time

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and only have the first 2 upgraded bosses (I hope...)

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Do you know the answer to the pom porridge question?

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Also can an exclamation room be encountered only once per biome?

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:03 AM

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yes, only once

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and no, pom porridge can only hit a boon once

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and some boons cannot be leveled up

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and there's no indicator which boons can and cannot be leveled up

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:04 AM

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extreme measures thesus is actually easier

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test

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:04 AM

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yeah, Discord is lagging

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:05 AM

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Thank you

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Also a great topic for feedback

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:06 AM

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guan yu

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pray for faster + massive spin

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force athena if you want to play safe or artemis for big boy crits

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and you got yourself a 16/32/40 heat run

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:06 AM

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spin speed is all you need in order to spin2win

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:06 AM

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What heat are we not activating

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:06 AM

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faster + massive spin can be combined

lament coral Feb 5, 2020, 10:06 AM

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if you don't get the spin speed, look out for special charge

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:06 AM

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and it's ridiculous lmao

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:07 AM

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Darkness i assume

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:07 AM

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on which heat?

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:07 AM

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32

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:07 AM

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personal preference i guess?

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:07 AM

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Alright

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:07 AM

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you can go max extreme measures/overtime

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if you're ok with it

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:07 AM

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I suppose healing is useless at that point

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:07 AM

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personally i hate no choice and tight deadline

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i like to take things slow

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:08 AM

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Yeah i really hate tight deadline

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:08 AM

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no choice ruins the fun of the game

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:08 AM

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Makes me stop enjoying the game

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:08 AM

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which is building your own build

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i hate underworld customs as well

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everything else i'm relatively ok

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:09 AM

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Im okay selling a boon each biome, but when the perfect boon is kept from me, I die a little inside

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Wish they just wouldn't show me

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It affects me on more than just a gameplay level

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:09 AM

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i hate underworld customs because it usually screws you over on the first 2 biomes

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if you don't have good boon rng

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got a good epic boon but don't have more than 4 boons? too bad, it's gone

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don't have a trash boon to get rid off? too bad, your build is semi-ruined

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overall you're also down by 3 boons

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:10 AM

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Heh yeah Im sure that'll happen to me soon. Ive been fortunate to have a pretty useless boon every single time

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Oh Im also afraid to touch the heat that raises trap damage

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:11 AM

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it's fine if you know how to play

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or are using ranged

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on guan yu it's slightly risky

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maybe not on 16 heat

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Ill be doing great and then one slip up and I nearly die to one trap

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:12 AM

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and that's why u take atehan

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:12 AM

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And it only gives like 1 heat?

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:12 AM

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athena

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reduced trap damage from athena

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as well

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:13 AM

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True, if you can get that it pretty much nullifies is

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it

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Hmm that actually makes me rethink my whole run

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:14 AM

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in general building athena usually guarantees safe runs

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you can literally play pong with final boss and win

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:15 AM

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I find a few strong poseidon boons incredibly strong for every room but the bosses

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:16 AM

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ARG

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:16 AM

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i've got 6 dashes and tidal dash and things just melt

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:16 AM

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ive been ignoring charons shop for so long now

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:16 AM

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poseidon is basically

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dash to clear rooms

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on bosses struggle a bit

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unless aid

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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i was always thinknig "oh its strange how there are 2 symbols for obol, maybe one is more than the other"

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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then cheese it with 4 bars

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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Sure, but it takes literally 1 boon to own most rooms

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yeah true

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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ehh i find poseidon is useful in some bosses

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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not really in asphodel

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:18 AM

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the bone hydra's extra heads are easy with dash splash

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:18 AM

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personally poseidon dash makes life hard in asphodel

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knock the ranged guys into lava area with a melee wep? welp

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:18 AM

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true true

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but overall i think focusing on the ranged guys to start with, and taking special care to kill them, negates the downfalls of having basically 0 way to kill them once theyre on lava

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:22 AM

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Im just saying it takes 1 boon for a strong tool against like 50% of the enemies

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:22 AM

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it's mostly because of wall slam/cornered

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:22 AM

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yes

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:23 AM

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to be honest i haven't used poseidon dash in a while

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:23 AM

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And if you get the increase damage boons to it, it makes it even easier

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:23 AM

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mainly because i've been trying to force other god boons

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poseidon doesn't really have much strong combos

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with duos

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except maybe dio with perma epics

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 10:23 AM

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what?!

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 AM

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Its good on dash

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 AM

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zeus' duo is nuts

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 AM

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ive only used one (1) demeter boon because chill is only good when you get that boon that kills at 20 10%

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 AM

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Yeah im doing rail and hoping for that rail

solid solar Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 AM

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at 10%

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 AM

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duo

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 AM

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it's 10%

turbid needle Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 AM

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ah thanks

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 AM

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could try those on rail

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tbh

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haven't used it in a while

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ever since my 1 hp left run on rail

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lmao

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 10:25 AM

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posiedon special + zeus duo with chiron bow

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one of the best there is

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:25 AM

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chiron bow + poseidon special is like

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7 wall slams?

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lol

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 10:25 AM

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yeah something like that

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combined with their duo it's insane

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:25 AM

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could try forcing it next time

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 10:25 AM

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put some jolt too, maybe rupture and you already have the affliction debuff

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:26 AM

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Oof, just got epic lightning strike denied

fiery shale Feb 5, 2020, 10:26 AM

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posiedon is annoying for melee sometimes (on attack/special) but is alright on cast/call and is real good with ranged all around

dense locust Feb 5, 2020, 10:26 AM

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with the rail

dim rapids Feb 5, 2020, 10:26 AM

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i haven't really tried zeus

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and ares