don't think I've ever had to pick a common attack/special/cast after maxing out both of em
#h1-builds-and-combat
lament coral
fallow niche
doom aint good on guan yu
turbid needle
Divine Dash and Merciful End beg to disagree.
fallow niche
thats good on every weapon if you can get all that
but its not the best build on guan yu
or 2nd best
turbid needle
I'd say second best.
green sable
......nice
turbid needle
Any Divine Dash Merciful End build (that's not Special Rail) is 2nd best build, after boosted Hunting Blades and Vicious Cycle.
fallow niche
Im talking about guan yu specifically
turbid needle
Guan Yu also has big AoE on its Special, meaning you can apply to multiple enemies at once.
fallow niche
athena attack and aphrodite attack are both better on it
turbid needle
"I'm in my safe space!"
fallow niche
get that + any status dash and athena + artemis duo and you're golden
crystal geyser
is Hunting Blades considered the best DUO?
turbid needle
Yes.
fallow niche
Probably?
mild crag
By many yes
turbid needle
It's the single strongest boon in the game in my opinion.
mild crag
Merciful End is the other contender
crystal geyser
which one would you say is the seccond best?
fallow niche
Merciful End is quite strong but its strength is varied quite heavily on the weapon
Hunting Blades is consistently absurd
turbid needle
I think it starts being a lot more subjective after that.
Scintillating Feast is up there.
mild crag
Then the others vary based on other factors
fallow niche
Yeah
turbid needle
What Legendaries are universally consistent?
lament coral
yeah, Demeter's is probably the best
fallow niche
I mean the legendaries depend on the rest of the build but Demeter's is probably consistent regardless of build yeah
green sable
i might do a 100% demeter build..just once
crystal geyser
yesterday i got a build where i could send 6 blade rift with dual shots and that automatically returned lol insane
mild crag
Not saying demeter has the best one but it's easily the most consistent
fallow niche
Like if you're doing an Artemis cast Poseidon Sword, nothing beats Artemis' legendary
green sable
one of my fav casts is dio's where i chucked 4 booze grenades ❤️
that dmg got insane
fallow niche
Dio's legendary is also nuts if you have the build for it
mild crag
If you're playing hunting blades then Ares is clearly the best one for example
fallow niche
Yeah that too
mild crag
Vicious Cycle 
green sable
i don't know ive never seen any of there legendaries yet
fallow niche
The legendaries only show up if you take specific prerequisite boons
crystal geyser
is is possible to post images of builds here?
mild crag
Fully loaded, flurry cast, vicious Cycle pog
fallow niche
Use imgur links Saha.
mild crag
@crystal geyser upload somewhere else and give us a link
mild crag
Imgur for example
Or you can upload in a different discord server or DM
And copy the link
crystal geyser
https://i.imgur.com/Mae4dyC.jpg this is the one i talked about
mild crag
YEAH THAT'S THE ONE
turbid needle
Ouch.
turbid needle
That build was how I had my sword record until I got this Aphro/Demeter build tonight.
green sable
ive NEVER seen it before
fallow niche
@turbid needle Aphro cast + demeter chill on cast boon ?
green sable
ive never seen those legendaries save hermes
turbid needle
Yup.
mild crag
@green sable it's cause you need to have certain boons as prerequisites so it's less likely to come across them by chance
green sable
yes hun i figured that much 😦
fallow niche
The wiki lists what you need if you want to look them up as you pause mid-run
Or while looking at boons
scroll to the bottom
green sable
nice
fallow niche
Black Metal or Engulfing Vortex are necessary for the legendary
crystal geyser
https://i.imgur.com/NHY2PUu.jpg this was basically that build
fallow niche
Invisible blade rifts 
lament coral
of PAIN
thorny edge
zeus/artemis duo + greater recall is a great build
turbid needle
Wow, Gravel, why you gotta hurt me like that?
lament coral
I really don't get why that even exists
turbid needle
I miss Freak Accident (lightning strike on crit).
fallow niche
wait WHAT
THAT WAS A BOON?
oh my god that would have been infinitely cooler and better than what we have now
turbid needle
YEAH, IT'S LIKE 18,000,000,000,000 TIMES COOLER.
lament coral
that sounds much better than cast lightning
fallow niche
SG what the heck
turbid needle
Once, when Hunter Mark was super busted, I threw a bunch of Hunting Blades at Asterius and he just took lightning bolts to the dome for 4 seconds.
Each volley took out a quarter of his health.
fallow niche
Hahahahaha
That's probably why it was changed
But to make it this bad is
Sad
It should buff Zeus cast to something usable
turbid needle
Hunter Mark should apply to the target you crit and expire, like it does now, upon crit.
turbid needle
All bouncing attacks are a bit sketch.
fallow niche
Athena bounce duo is dec
turbid needle
Zeus is noticeable in that it has ammo.
The range could be longer on Lightning Phalanx.
turbid needle
It sticks very easily.
lament coral
Bow's bouncing hammer is good
fallow niche
Zeus cast base is just yikes
lament coral
you can bounce off walls
lament coral
but on casts, it's terrible
the bounces go anywhere but into the nearest enemy, most of the time
turbid needle
And when your shield or spear start bouncing between pots and walls, leaving you offenseless and defenseless...
heady zephyr
Bouncing spear really messes up achilles
fallow niche
pfft
glossy plaza
wasn't even close 😅 https://i.imgur.com/9au5Uns.jpg
fallow niche
that sounds horrendous Sunn brO
turbid needle
They need to be much more aggressive in targeting enemies.
heady zephyr
Yep, losing the predictability killed a run for me
glossy plaza
actually so scary 32 heat barge of death, almost lost my perfect run there
lament coral
what, you don't like dashing in front of a trap?
fallow niche
Barge of death post-nerf is so much less painful on 32 heat
mild crag
Lightning Phalanx is succ
lament coral
oopsie
turbid needle
Agreed, Forge.
glossy plaza
hey at least I perfected it
fallow niche
It used to be a goddamn death locker
Like Hades, you need to step aside, this thing takes precedence
glossy plaza
not really, b4 I could do Barge perfectly too on 32 heat
fallow niche
The REAL final boss
turbid needle
Two levels of Middle Management, Super Star patch. 
mild crag
Death Barge is a comforting sight now compared to mega gorgon
chrome viper
lightning phalanx doesn't have anything lightning-related
its name should be bouncy phalanx
lament coral
I only dislike the gorgon because of the rock
glossy plaza
it just takes much much longer
turbid needle
It bounces like lightning.
fallow niche
Oh god thats hilarious
lament coral
ez dash
turbid needle
But it needs to be faster, not accelerate like vanilla Phalanx, and it needs to apply Jolted as well as Exposed.
Basically, behave like Electric Shot after Electric Shot's bouncing is improved
fallow niche
I'm scared if that'll ever get done after hearing about the Zeus/Artemis duo getting nerfed into uselessness like that though 
mild crag
Phalanx shot is only useful shot in a straight line to stop what's coming right at you
No point in it bouncing around
turbid needle
Well it hits super hard.
mild crag
Dum boon
turbid needle
Second strongest one hit Cast.
lament coral
it would've been cool if it could bounce off the same target multiple times
fallow niche
BRUH
WHY DONT THEY TONE DOWN THE NUMBERS
RATHER THAN REWORKING THEM TO POO
Stop telling me about the old boons!
They sound so much cooler!
lament coral
next you're gonna tell us Urge to Kill was something other than diet Support Fire
fallow niche
Please don't tell me that
turbid needle
Urge to Kill and Support Fire accomplish two very different things.
It's okay, I won't tell you which boons.
fallow niche
And yeah
lament coral
could've fooled me
fallow niche
They're totally different boons
lament coral
explain
turbid needle
There's a few high APM builds that work, I think.
None of them nearly as good as the Rail, of course.
fallow niche
Its about attacks, not hits
The boon lies
That probably tilts me the most about it
lament coral
ok, so 14 damage SF on my 90 damage World Cleaver is worse than a 12% UTK, which adds 11 damage to my attacks
got it
fallow niche
Thats if the support fire even hits them
It mostly runs into walls for me
And fails to hit anything
fallow niche
And your WC does more than 90 with an attack boon
crystal geyser
so to get duo boons you only have to get 1 tier: 1 boon of each of the 2 gods and you have a chance to get it in the next boon pick up?
lament coral
and it changes targets if the initial one dies
turbid needle
The 12% attack actually still goes off 9 damage.
But! With certain Casts you get much higher returns.
lament coral
UTK uses base damage for calculations
turbid needle
I had 200 base damage on Crush Shot, I get more out of UTK.
lament coral
so your default 20 sword attack only get 2 damage off UTK
fallow niche
I'm not relying on dumb arrows that miss
They literally always hit anything but what I'm attacking
lament coral
you need 120-140 base to make UTK better than SF
fallow niche
Not with that DPS loss from them missing
turbid needle
Pretty easy with Casts, actually.
green sable
YES ❤️
elfin wagon
If you're going for Cast build, you might as well get more Artemis boons rather than Urge to Kill. And also get the same effect x 3 with Hourglass and Braid of Atlas
It's just filler
turbid needle
I don't think anyone is arguing that it's a go-to Boon for a build.
elfin wagon
It just feels like an oversight from when they used to have multicative instead of additive modifiers
green sable
omg ive never seen bosses ice explode before..king and his pet just did ❤️
tawny hare
should i give 1 titan blood for 250 gems?
shrewd topaz
Personally I never give away titan blood but that's my preference
fallow niche
Gems mostly only get cosmetics
I do that but that's because I have an abundance of the stuff
Titan blood, that is
heady zephyr
can multiple chaos boons stack on the same attack, and does slothful defiance add an extra total DD?
inner heath
Yes and yes
heady zephyr
thank you
inner heath
So if you have a Chaos boon that's +46% attack and +51% attack, it totals for +97% attack, because it's additive
And by "slothful defiance" I assume you're talking about Chaos', because the first word is random depending on the negative. but Chaos' gives an extra total DD that can be replenished through normal DD replenishing means
jade pumice
@inner heath whenever I do this I only see the most recent of the two boons' blessings show up in my boon list. I tried stacking three darkness buffs and the effects didnt seem too different. Am I just seeing things wrong?
inner heath
@jade pumice I'm sorry, I don't quite understand what you're saying. Whenever you do what exactly? Stack Chaos buffs?
I have no idea if it works with Darkness. I imagine it does, because it definitely works with attack/special/casts/dash-attacks. Remember that you'd have to also press the button to open up your boons list (I think it's 'B' by default) to see, and it'll only appear after you've finished the curse conditions
Here's an example of one of mine where you can clearly see both: https://i.imgur.com/QOnYkKm.png
shrewd sedge
Just wanna say that I'm happy I finally got my sub 15 (and it wasnt with the sword, for my surprise)
turbid needle
Nice!
inner heath
Nice! Congrats! That's quite the accomplishment
turbid needle
I've only ever had one sub-15.
inner heath
I'm too OCD and check every room for fish and money and troves and wells, so I don't think I'll ever have a sub-15
shrewd sedge
I get you, kmbr... I sometimes can't help myself and hit some gold jars
inner heath
I've gone through the door only to see something right as I'm walking through it way too many times
I have learned my lesson
(Hopefully)
shrewd sedge
it's... another game tbh, trying to run as fast as possible, and trying to get that perfect build you want with the boons upgraded to 10 and beyond
I love them both, but I'm kinda into the speed lately
inner heath
I don't blame you. Sounds like fun! And maybe something I'll eventually try. I think I'm gonna either grind more heat or go back to my 100% dodge build next, myself
98.8% dodge was not enough and I want to do some testing with it
mild crag
if you quit while you're walking through the door it'll put you back in the current room
inner heath
...good to know
mild crag
golden pots only appear after you enter the door already i have confirmed this
since there's never any before then yes
that's the only time i see them
shrewd sedge
inner heath
"Big Shopping Trip, Too" is one of my favorites
mild crag
is that the god mode icon?
im not judging you im just surprised you're doing so well and have it on still
excellent clear either way
shrewd sedge
yes, I see no reason to not use it, unless in the speedrun ruleset (not that I actually speedrun the game, I just pseudo do it) it's not allowed to have
inner heath
I was wondering if you were doing a set seed or not
shrewd sedge
nah, I just like the game and speedruns, so I mix them when I play
inner heath
I think if I run into a good one, I'm going to try a set seed for the 100% dodge run
if I don't get it on my first try
jade pumice
@inner heath Yeah you're definitely right about being able to stack chaos buffs with that screenshot. I think maybe the diamond pattern of the boon list is making it harder for me to locate both lol
inner heath
@jade pumice You're not alone. I've literally gone over lists two or three times until I've found the boons I'm looking for. A lot of boons look alike, art-wise, on the list, so it can be super challenging
turbid drum
elfin wagon
Congratulations!
gaunt crystal
Congrats 
fiery shale
nice! good work
shrewd topaz
not digging the poseidon ares the game is throwing my way for my chiron
green sable
nice 🙂
heady zephyr
i prefer hera+dio mysefl
frail vector
what are rolling strike and enshourded strike?
heady zephyr
chaos boons
actually, speaking of chiron bow, what boon do you like to load on the special?
i went with demeter the last game and it was excellent against bosses, but not amazing dps-wise
i bet dio would also be a good choice
actually, if poseidon can chain wall slams it might also be real good
oblique tusk
art, dio, aphro are generally considered the best to load for hera aspect
oh wait special
uh
i think dio still
heady zephyr
yeah, i imagine aphro on the attack+dio on the special with the poison stacking duo boon would get pretty silly
fiery shale
man i can't get with the bow
it feels so slow for me
is there anything to make it feel better at the start?
lament coral
pick Chiron aspect
torpid meadow
Demeter's legendary boon is quite sick in certain builds
i didn't even know it worked on bosses
fiery shale
right now i'm working on maxing exagryph's bonus damage aspect but then i might do that
so much titan blood needed.. :L
every run back i'm trading my ambrosia for it
hexed kayak
Hi guys is the ares cast required for the artemis/ares duo boon? Thanks
mild crag
Yes
fringe blade
Hera aspect with bow is pretty fast
Otherwise you gotta hunt for the hammer upgrades that remove the charge up time
Or give you bouncing arrows
shut moth
Does support fire trigger with each hit of Aspect of Zeus shield? I know it has problems with a lot of weapons
civic barn
i vaguely remembering it not being so (because it counts the throw as the special attack instead of each hit?), but don't quote me on that
obtuse tapir
Quick question, are "Exchange" offers still in the game?
I don't recall seeing one ever since Eurydice got in the game
sacred folio
The latest patch (039) reduced the frequency of Exchange offerings. See #hades-patch-notes
But it still exists.
obtuse tapir
ah good
dim rapids
so i got the lute, for the prophecy to compelte, do i have to spam play it continuously in 1 run? or just press play once per run?
jolly dirge
I imagine you'd want to do it a couple of times each run. I did it 10 times per run, as well as talking to Orpheus every single time. It took forever but eventually you get better.
dim rapids
i just bought it and i think i clicked it like 100 times now 😂
zag just keeps saying "ugh" or "ehh" now though
no changes
jolly dirge
Did you do it in one run? As it does need to be broken up.
And yeah I lost count of how many times I did it
dim rapids
ah then i guess i'll do more runs then
obtuse tapir
I've heard that four of the Olympian gods (except Hermes) are randomly chosen at the beginning of a run and no one else will appear in the run. Is this true?
shut moth
I don't know, but can't you force more to appear using trinkets?
oblique tusk
i think you can force every god to appear during a run
unborn trellis
i dont think so, there's what, 9 now?
one left over is pretty safe, for theseus to call upon
stiff aspen
Theseus can call on a god you've got a boon from, can't he? Could've sworn.
frosty pier
The usual thing is: that he uses the one you dont have.
stiff aspen
Fair enough. I assumed it was totally random. Might've been earlier builds or something.
I guess logically it didn't seem out of character for a God that gave us boons to also give Theseus, lol. They're kinda like that.
rotund wagon
Hera bow is fun damn
smoky oasis
Hera is attack based right?
Attack + Cast only, no special
Then Chiron is full Special
oblique tusk
hera's cast, not really attack
you def want like, ares attack or smth
but mostly you want to pump cast damage
nimble cypress
Dionysus special and Chiron is fun.
oblique tusk
i got like a 17 minute run that was super lucky
i'm p bad with the bow still
but it was the flurry hammer and then +4 special shots
and ares attack+the doom amplifier, with dio special
smoky oasis
Chiron takes forever to clear the rooms though
stray frigate
@smoky oasis thats why i swap Chiron bow for Chaos shield
same builds same mechanics but stronger faster better
smoky oasis
yea but they are different weapons so not really comparable
should compare different aspects of the same weapon
dusky steeple
Are there any guides for build synergy anywhere?
On that note, do we have any idea how popular this game is? There's surprisingly little in the steam guides area, for example
smoky oasis
I didn't read any of the guides though
More fun to find out yourself
It's not too hard
stray frigate
not hard but takes time
smoky oasis
usually guides contain spoilers
dusky steeple
with roguelikes, learning to play optimally through guides can increase enjoyment considerably
smoky oasis
So better finish 1 run first before looking for them
dusky steeple
Like, poison effects work well with fast firing weapons
oh...ares doom, does it stack on multiple attacks?
unborn trellis
with many games, discovery of mechanics and strategies is the game
dusky steeple
I'm guessing no, based on experience
main citrus
Doom does not stack
stray frigate
@dusky steeple if u have boon for that
main citrus
Unless you have a boon that makes it progressively stronger on multiple hits
stray frigate
u can stack Doom
dusky steeple
so on sword, doom special > doom attack
stray frigate
but not usual stack
main citrus
It's not that good, though?
smoky oasis
doom kinda bad on sword
dusky steeple
I discovered that yesterday 😄
main citrus
Ares is more of a hit hard God than a multihit one
stray frigate
On fast weapon with low basic damage u can try Dio or Zeus
main citrus
Good for weapons with weak specials like the bow, since a single 10 damage special arrow will make the doom proc
main citrus
The rail is great for stacking, and you can also make it a short range weapon with hammers
My rail run was the fastest I did
oblique tusk
the rail is either a high-damage shotgun
dusky steeple
rail was my first win
main citrus
23 minutes 
oblique tusk
or you run it with zeus/dio attack
main citrus
Shotgun Rail is PAIN GUN
smoky oasis
I spammed shield non stop, All my other weapons are at 1-2 while chaos shield at 14 heats
main citrus
Slap a boon that adds a lot of damage to the base attack and watch enemies melt
dusky steeple
I got the multi-shot rocket one
and it became a very slow shotgun
when you're stood next to the wretch you're shooting at, you do devestating damage when all the venn diagrams overlap
main citrus
If you get the 5-spread shot _ explosive shot you'll be dealing so much damage :'D
smoky oasis
I only like Shield and Bow play style but the Bow is slow as snail to clear
main citrus
And fast too, especially if you dash
turbid needle
My most successful butterfly so far has being bow and guan yu
main citrus
Big butterfly ball?
turbid needle
Pierced
main citrus
I crushed it Pain Gun
Ahhhh, oka
Well, both weapons make it easier to aoid damage since you'll be staying the hell out of enemy sight
turbid needle
With bow i was at 50% when out of elysium
turbid needle
Chiron aspect seems interesting
For a double build
For favor
Double debuff is nice with it
turbid needle
Aoe bow is a meme
stray frigate
My fav build with Chiron is Aphro/Dio
turbid needle
A bad meme
stray frigate
but i made only 15 heat with it
smoky oasis
how does tripple arrow attack work with hera?
turbid needle
I am still a scrub i juat finished heat 7 yesterday
dusky steeple
is the butterfly worth using?
turbid needle
Yea
dusky steeple
It's a keepsake I've never really looked at
oblique tusk
best i've gotten so far is 11 heat
turbid needle
Just dont get hit 4Head
smoky oasis
yea it's pretty good for hit and run style
main citrus
I've only finished heat 4 lol
oblique tusk
butterfly's v good if you're using an aspect that doesn't need a specific god
turbid needle
Whats the best way to stack heat ?
dusky steeple
Another useful guide would be one on heat stacking
oblique tusk
time is an easy 5 heat
turbid needle
I hate middle management
oblique tusk
bosses are another easy set of heat
turbid needle
Gives me aids
smoky oasis
time is stupid though
dusky steeple
I've been adding enemey helath and quantity
main citrus
Time is easy for people who are fast
smoky oasis
many times I lost cuz of unlucky styx
main citrus
Not so much for the casual
smoky oasis
I hated Styx rng
oblique tusk
i go through every floor with a minute or two to spare, though
turbid needle
Middle management is annoying at Asphodel if your roll gorgon rock
stray frigate
Chiron has some problems to be fixed till run
Slow special animation - need Hermes boon for that
need special hammer upgrade for more arrows
Slow room clearene - u do not use tight deadline
turbid needle
And i always roll gorgon rock
dusky steeple
I think I accidentally set 3 heat and won it with gun, was only aiming for 2
turbid needle
Barge never ever
main citrus
There are some heat things I'll never use again
main citrus
Get Eurydice
smoky oasis
euro dice ftw
main citrus
Eurydice is more consistent without negatives
dusky steeple
I always find I chaos into the boss in asphodel
stray frigate
and if she gives me wrong buff
dusky steeple
and some of the penalties can make hydra so annoying to deal with
thin talon
is there only the 5 or 6 weapons in the game right now?
oblique tusk
lmao mood
main citrus
5
smoky oasis
just skip hydra 4head
oblique tusk
there are 5 weapons
main citrus
And yes
oblique tusk
they're adding the 6th in the next major update
dusky steeple
@smoky oasis tell me your secrets
oblique tusk
which is a couple months iirc
main citrus
By space we'll probably have a sixth. Also need to unlock one more companion.
turbid needle
The worst styx room is the one with the poison traps nprth and south , west there is 2 chainsaws
oblique tusk
artemis companion pls
dusky steeple
@turbid needle I can never find the wells when I'm poisoned in that room
oblique tusk
zag deserves artemis in his life
stray frigate
Artemis trinket - arrow in ur back lol
dusky steeple
somebody mentioned that
main citrus
HArem route best route
main citrus
:v
oblique tusk
harems are trash
main citrus
It's a game, I wanna be silly
oblique tusk
people that like harems are subhuman
stray frigate
Artemis is not a variant lol
main citrus
I choose Artemis as best girl tho :p
stray frigate
Bouldy is best girl
main citrus
I am a game completionist, I won't roleplay in Hades :p
turbid needle
Artemis is for breeding but then again do you want zeus as your man in law ?
stray frigate
and artemis is coldhearted cruel goddess
dusky steeple
what is happening rn
turbid needle
Thats true
smoky oasis
lol
stray frigate
Tomatos is
turbid needle
Zeus did breed everything that has a pulse
main citrus
bot is really sensitive
turbid needle
I guess thats why Hera is angry at him huh
limber spire
BTW what is ambrosia used for?
dusky steeple
@smoky oasis || you need Meg as companion? ||
smoky oasis
@limber spire To get in bed with Dusa
limber spire
cant escape her gaze is what you are saying?
main citrus
Ambrosia is used for ||high level gifting and companion leveling||
limber spire
well
main citrus
Skelly best waifu
limber spire
i got those dudes to the point where they have the heart with the little clock thingy on it
so i thought it's maxed out for now
till they release stuff
stray frigate
@limber spire it's released
smoky oasis
you can unlock 5 right now
dusky steeple
can I ask a really stupid question... are people playing with mouse + kb?
jolly dirge
Yes
stray frigate
i do
smoky oasis
yes
jolly dirge
I'm one
dusky steeple
holy moly
turbid needle
Ambrosia is used as ||an aphrodisiac||
dusky steeple
is this a common thing?
smoky oasis
lol?
dusky steeple
I thought it was a game designed for controller
turbid needle
I do too
stray frigate
i do not have any
smoky oasis
have you played Path of Exile or Diablo ?
turbid needle
I disnt bother
smoky oasis
these games are similar
dusky steeple
I played Bastion with controller mostly
but switched for some of the skill challenges
smoky oasis
only need controler for fighting games
dusky steeple
you do fight...in this game
stray frigate
CONTROLLER IN SHOOTERS FTW
turbid needle
I want more guan yu tier aspects that was so fun to play around with
dusky steeple
@stray frigate gave a friend my old gaming PC to lure him away from Xbox...he plays Apex Legends with controller on PC 😦
stray frigate
rip
sacred folio
I play w/ controller for now. The only times I'm missing mouse aiming is launching grenades w/ the Rail.
turbid needle
I like the different style the weaps get
Btw
Heated hydra isnt a joke
This bot sucks
What would a good 4th aspect for rail be
Any ideas
smoky oasis
AK47
main citrus
Ivan
stray frigate
what?
turbid needle
Aspect of ivan
stray frigate
how the hell u know my name
turbid needle
Cyka blyat rush b
main citrus
You see Ivan, when you demigod trying to escape, you need to carry god boolet
It's either that, or Heavy Weapons Guy
But really? Gimme a Tesla railgun
Aspect of Tesla
smoky oasis
yea
gentle quartz
how do you even begin to figure out the aspect for rail
stray frigate
it would be aspect of zeus
main citrus
Less bullets but it shoots a power beam
smoky oasis
Laser beam
main citrus
It doesn't need to be electricity. Could be a plasma beam :p
gentle quartz
it's a unique weapon in terms of fitting with mythologies xd
isn't that just the Demeter cast
smoky oasis
Beam color changes depending on your boon
main citrus
Well, we did get Guan Yu, and we didn't have machine guns in Ancient Era :v
turbid needle
Just make it an AWP
smoky oasis
The bow is kinda an AWP already
stray frigate
we have Hestia already
stray frigate
not for hestia
main citrus
Beam would consume ammo per second.
gentle quartz
but Demeter's cast
main citrus
It's not that strong.
turbid needle
Shield is gonna be hard to create a 4th aspect for
smoky oasis
Demeter cast is weird
main citrus
Also you need a duo boon for it to move fast
gentle quartz
the point is what you want already exists
main citrus
It's just idea pitching :<
smoky oasis
its still beta, they can change things around
gentle quartz
x3
main citrus
Unless we make it work like a hwacha, a rocket battery :v
turbid needle
What would you lads do for shield
main citrus
Special shoots a barrage of missiles
smoky oasis
the beam would fit a weapon better than random crystal cast we cant control
main citrus
I bet Sword will be a Katana :p
turbid needle
Aspect of yoshimitsu
main citrus
Can only dash attack, but it hits in a wide arc
main citrus
ASPECT OF XENA
gentle quartz
it kinda already has that look
main citrus
YES FUND IT
smoky oasis
wait isn't Zeus aspect similar?
turbid needle
What would the 6th weapon be hmmm
main citrus
Nah, Zeus is more like a vortex
turbid needle
Why hammer ?
main citrus
Using hammers on hammer 👀
gentle quartz
I'm going with what other people are saying and it's mostly likely range
turbid needle
A club could do the same thing
main citrus
But 4 out of the 5 weapons have range so far
turbid needle
And is there with Hercules
gentle quartz
not really?
gentle quartz
like the intent seems to be the left side being melee weapons and the right side being ranged
smoky oasis
The shield is mostly ranged at this point, since Chaos shield is just too good
stray frigate
My greed killed me in the middle of 20 heat run
turbid needle
Well you could give sword aspect of the crusader make it into a claymore and go reclaim the holy land
gentle quartz
I'm holding out hope for a staff
main citrus
Staff would work akin to the spear but without the throwing
gentle quartz
maybe with a projectile ranged weapon
hollow sorrel
I want a katana sword that when you press the reload button it sheathes the sword, and if you press the attack button when the sword is sheathed, it does a wide cone attack in front of the character
gentle quartz
like how the witches work, it would be interesting how they could make that into a player weapon
turbid needle
Kinky
main citrus
Aspect of Aphrodite and Megaera :p
stray frigate
ask Meg to whip u
jolly dirge
I'm expecting something purely melee. Someone mentioned before that we have two pure ranged weapons, two hybrid weapons but only one pure melee.
Also no stealing whips. Meg doesn't like that.
smoky oasis
Zag will still his lovers weapons
main citrus
Scythe :v
jolly dirge
Boss fight with Meg turns into an argument over who actually owns the whip now.
smoky oasis
Whip from Meg, Scythe from Than, Bow from Dusa
gentle quartz
scythe makes a lot of sense
main citrus
Bow from Dusa? 👀
turbid needle
Scythe is nice
main citrus
I vote for having Bouldy as a weapon
turbid needle
You guys have no clue though
main citrus
Going full Atlas on the UNderworld
turbid needle
Best 6th weapon is bouldy
jolly dirge
I'm expecting gauntlets. I think Than might object to you muscling in on his area. Awkwardly though because he's Than.
stray frigate
6th weapon is Lute
gentle quartz
since Kronos Scythe is already a big part of Greek mythology
main citrus
Bard Build lol
jolly dirge
Nah. It'll be the harp.
frosty pier
Imagine we will get a ranged-looking weapon, only it's full mele.
stray frigate
@gentle quartz also Demeter aspect can do
smoky oasis
It's gonna be a giant dildo
turbid needle
We already have that
frosty pier
Pistolwhipping through underworld
turbid needle
That's technically stygius
main citrus
Aspect of Johnny Gat
turbid needle
Fats get gat
gentle quartz
actually thinking about it so these internal arms are supposed to be the ones that toppled the titans right?
main citrus
Yes
turbid needle
Yes
jolly dirge
Yes.
gentle quartz
but we kinda have touched all the og gods
jolly dirge
Everyone is worried about Hestia now given what she used.
stray frigate
og?
main citrus
Kinda, yeah. Except Hera
turbid needle
Well uuuh
jolly dirge
Hera can't be in the same area as Zeus though
gentle quartz
Bow has an aspect of Hera
jolly dirge
It would end poorly
gentle quartz
think Demeter is the only one we don't have an aspect for
main citrus
And we still have other 2 gods of the 12 Olympians: Apollo and Hephaestus
gentle quartz
so Scythe could be a real possibility
main citrus
Heph is also a major one.
smoky oasis
Support or main?
main citrus
The only contested spot in the 12 Olympians is Hestia/Dio
main citrus
And since we have Dio already, no Hestia :p
stray frigate
Apollo and Haephestus was born after Titan war
smoky oasis
you thought it's Hestia but it's me, DIO
main citrus
So if we get a Fire God, it's either the Sun God or the God of the Forge
stray frigate
and we wont have any new gods
gentle quartz
I mean technically we could still get Hestia if they do post launch stuff
stray frigate
wake up
jolly dirge
You thought it was Dio but it's actually Zagreus. He told Orpheus so it must be true.
main citrus
Shhh, let us dream
gentle quartz
If we do get a new god, would likely be Apolo
main citrus
I would love Hephaestus, but I know he wouldn't be as popular as Apollo ;;
turbid needle
I am thinking 6th infernal arm will be the club of Hercules
Cant really think of anything else
gentle quartz
with what they do with Demeter, I can see Apolo being a fun one to make
smoky oasis
btw I still don't understand how Zag and Than has romantic relationship. They are like bros
main citrus
as far as greek weapons go? Yeah, club is the only one I can think of
gentle quartz
Apollo was also the god of prophecy and music
main citrus
Also, it's greek mythology. Everyone is shipped with everyone.
jolly dirge
And Zeus
gentle quartz
not Artemis
jolly dirge
Especially Zeus
main citrus
Not uncommon at all. In fact, chaste entities are extremely rare.
gentle quartz
pretty sure she would shoot you dead if you try
main citrus
We have like, Artemis and Hestia? That's it?
gentle quartz
Hera also
thick sedge
didn't they just talk about not wanting Apollo
turbid needle
What did apollo do to them
thick sedge
how they felt that it didn't add to the story they wanted to tell
gentle quartz
did they?
main citrus
Hera is not that chaste. The problem is that Zeus loves to jump the fence
turbid needle
Actually zeus jumped every fence
jolly dirge
Remember Greek Myth in a nutshell:
"Zeus no!"
"ZEUS YES"
main citrus
I hope for Hephaestus because they made the upgrade hammers be from Daedalus, not him :p
stray frigate
i would like to see Hecata
gentle quartz
doesn't that work in reverse
unborn trellis
no new olympians are coming
main citrus
Shhhh, let us theorize
gentle quartz
since we already have Daedalus, it's likely not going to be Hep
main citrus
That's a shame tho ;;
turbid needle
Id actually love if they added an infinite mode
Sometimes you get such a good build
That ypu wanna keep going
main citrus
She wouldn't be a boon god tho :p
main citrus
inb4 they add Eris :v
sacred folio
A quick search for Olympians in #ask-supergiant channel found a message from Greg saying there IS "plans for one more character"
turbid needle
What would Eris even do though ?
sacred folio
But I'm not sure if it's a god though
turbid needle
Just be a zagreus plowing buddy ?
main citrus
Jealousy
gentle quartz
I mean
main citrus
Heck, Athena is the goddess of Wisdom and her function in the game is "no u"
sacred folio
Oh okay then.
stray frigate
so no new gods in game
gentle quartz
could be a story character
sacred folio
Back to dreaming
main citrus
Let us dream, lmao
turbid needle
The only thing i dream off is an infinite mode
jolly dirge
Herakles appears. Hades quietly has an aneurysm
turbid needle
Blue pill or red pill choice
gentle quartz
@stray frigate That was from the recent q and a actually
stray frigate
where
sacred folio
Like I said, search for Olympians in channel #ask-supergiant
The time of the message is Last Saturday at 03:10 in my local time, which is GMT+8
gentle quartz
he said there are plans for one more character before 1.0
main citrus
The last Q&A
It stands to see if it's going to be a god or another resident of Hell, like Eurydice/Orpheus
Also, wonder if they'll give portraits to Nyx and Charon
jolly dirge
I believe they said they were going to.
gaunt quarry
What counts as a "quick encounter" in Hermes' keepsake? How fast should I be able to clear rooms to get the bonus?
main citrus
I wanna see Mama Nyx 😢
gentle quartz
Heracles could be a good one since they name drop him already
main citrus
They name drop a lot of people.
jolly dirge
"Yes, Nyx and Charon are the two characters currently in the game whose portraits are temporary / work-in-progress."
From the Q&A
gentle quartz
@main citrus in the same Q and A, ut was said that there's already a Nyx portrait that they're working with
jolly dirge
So yeah. New Nyx, new Charon coming eventually.
round warren
although i would say current charon is much more appropriate than current cyx
main citrus
Current Charon does make sense, yeah :p
round warren
charon basically looks and speaks like a dementor who became a merchant
main citrus
Seeing his trinket makes me think they'll give him a more skeletal appearance though, like the western deciption of Death
And Nyx will keep the Night Veil
round warren
yeah maybe, although im sure anything they go with will look amazing as always, i am in love with this game's art
main citrus
Yeah, they outdid themselves this time.
gentle quartz
You can't see Nyx at all now because she is the night incarnate after all xP
main citrus
And ther art direction was already top notch since Bastion
round warren
I sometimes stare at zagreus in the menu, listening to the epic music and questioning my sexuality
main citrus
lol
gentle quartz
Real talk, Hades is so polished.
main citrus
That's the sass factor of this game
round warren
oh yeah
jolly dirge
Oh yeah
main citrus
Games like this make me have hope in Early Access, the same hope that sometimes get dashes by some rushed things.
round warren
Zagreus has hades's genes for sure, hades is a hunk lmao
gentle quartz
You could told me this was a released game and I wouldn't bat an eye
round warren
dat moustache beard is the best thing ive ver scene
main citrus
That glorious, sexy Logan Cunningham voice, man
round warren
ever seen
main citrus
oof
round warren
only hades can pull off the mustache beard
gentle quartz
@sacred folio wait really? I must have missed that
round warren
yeah i really like hades, i would like the game to reach a point where zagreus understand's hades' feelings
sacred folio
Yes. Do you have any software that could do "search every single file under this folder for the word X"? That should help you find them
gentle quartz
I do. I just haven't messed around with the Hades file yet
didn't wanna spoil myself when I haven't experienced everything in the game currently
sacred folio
But if that character hasn't been put in the game despite with these work already done, that could mean, um. I don't know.
jolly dirge
Could be that it was originally planned and then dropped?
sacred folio
Who knows. So I wouldn't take responsibility for spoiling anything
gentle quartz
not like I would be any less excited
More awesome voice acting is totally fine with me
grand patrol
gooood morning guys could we not discuss content thats in the files but not the games in here please? thank you
sacred folio
Sorry. was a little excited about potential upcoming content
grand patrol
understandable! thanks
gentle quartz
will do, sorry, was blindsided by it so can't help but get a bit hyped
manic ermine
Quick spin Guan Yu has got nothing on Charged Skewer. 13 minutes 45.
stray frigate
well it's unusal for other srear special
manic ermine
Guan Yu's firework skewer
dim rapids
if you use a god's keepsake for 1 biome the effects don't carry over to the next?
manic ermine
You will get the bonus rarity for any extra boons you find
dim rapids
but you can't force the specific boon?
manic ermine
not after you use it once
dim rapids
alright thanks
lament coral
it shows a charge counter under the keepsake
dusky steeple
I didn't know boon rarities persisted
that seems a bit counterintuitive
(i.e. chaos gates hurt you when you unequip, health drops when you unequip collar, etc)
is that intended design?
gusty dagger
Can someone explain to me how dire misfortune works?
sacred folio
I believe Dire Misfortune makes the Doom effect stackable up to 5 times.
gusty dagger
Oh only 5 times?
sacred folio
Yeah. Its codename is AresLoadCurseTrait and the date files say so.
gusty dagger
I made a build with Chiron bow with doom on my special and it game me doom pops of around 800
So if my doom damage is at 200
It stacked 4 times?
Oh i also had dire misfortune so maybe it was affecting the damage also
I mean impending doom
sacred folio
Do you happen to have Pressure Points - the +% crit chance for any damage boon from Artemis?
That could explain the high damage number
sacred folio
Ah yes, that would help increase damage, too
gusty dagger
Anyway, i thought it stacked without limit lol
It wouldve been super good with 33 arrows
manic ermine
With dire misfortune every time you hit a doomed enemy with a doom attack it adds a little more to the doom damage
manic ermine
yes
manic ermine
yes
gusty dagger
Aint that a little weak for a tier 2 boon?
manic ermine
Yes
gusty dagger
Coz doom can only be upgraded by dire misfortune and impending doom
Hmm
I love doom but i wish we could upgrade its damage further
ember lotus
There are some good duos for that in Athena and Aphrodite, but per pulse it seems to have a pretty solid cap. It does plenty of damage already though.
manic ermine
Hades spear and charged skewer was another good combo, with explosive skewer I could hit 900+ without crits.
ember lotus
That's pretty extreme
gusty dagger
@manic ermine what do you mean was
fringe blade
are bosses as considerd to have armor?
fringe blade
Cool thank you
lament coral
though, Hydra's heads have armor, too
manic ermine
as in I just had a run with that combo
oblique tusk
anti-armor is fine for bossing, tho
since yeah, the hydra's heads have armor
and so do hades' minions that he summons
dim rapids
on adamant rail, if you replace the special with the rocket that deals 100 damage, do special modifiers/boons still work?
stray frigate
of couse
dim rapids
alright thanks
is there a limit to how many fated authority you can get from key rooms? i think i hit a cap of 3 or something
teal laurel
dusa is the only thing i want to romance
blazing mulch
thing
lwut
tacit jetty
Holy crap I didn't think Demeter's legendary was gonna work on bosses
It was a nice surprise to find that out on the final one lol
gaunt crystal
this is the one that kills at 10% ye?
blazing mulch
yeach
untold quiver
@dim rapids I try and always replace with the rocket ifbo can, especially eris rail
solemn dune
I got Achilles Aspect for my spear and I have no idea if it good or I wasted a blood?
it just a dash attack?
sand glade
Achilles aspect should change your special to where you do "dash" through enemies to be at your spear's position.
crisp briar
I think I found a bug
no idea were to report it tho
or if it has been reported for that matter xD
but phalanx shot is doing irregular amounts of dmg
dim rapids
is hades aspect on spear any good? i don't have access to guan yu yet so
green birch
@crisp briar you can report bugs in-game with F10!
manic ermine
Hades spear is good. you can do very well with just the punish buff and a hammer.
crisp briar
@green birch Cheers! Didn't know that ^^
green birch
Np np!
obtuse tapir
My personal achievement! https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/653173587485786115/673950282576560148/unknown.png
This was a really really satisfying run
The railgun just reminded me the reason why it's my favorite weapon
green birch
Hey, great job!
obtuse tapir
Now I deserve my 2nd statue (which I unlocked along with the 3rd one when Asphodel was the last biome)
obtuse tapir
It just deflects all projectiles in the range on hit
not so sure about directions tho
obtuse tapir
I just like Athena in general
exposed itself didn't do much but combined with hangover from dio it gave me some damage boost
(rail special can't backstab)
manic ermine
Athena rocket bomb is weird in that it has a giant aoe deflect aura around the rocket.
obtuse tapir
so this is the first time I ever reached 40% with that butterfly
I don't think I can ever get any higher even with less heat
Still seems a bit underpowered tho, normally it's too hard to get the bonus in Elysium and beyond
considering that it could give some more bonus damage
dim rapids
if you play really safe with chiron bow i think you could stack it up even higher
but personally i haven't used it yet
turbid needle
@obtuse tapir I think it's better to pick the long range damage bonus or damage in front bonus. You have to play really well to stack up butterfly
Well it ofcourse depends on your playstyle
dim rapids
which sword aspect is better? nemesis or poseidon?
lament coral
it's situational
Poseidon has a higher damage cap thanks to Artemis cast
but Nemesis is more reliable overall, especially against blue shields, increased enemy counts and HP
dim rapids
i'll go with nemesis for now first then
also is 15 keys worth trading for 1 titan blood?
lament coral
if you have all mirror upgrades and weapons, yes
ionic blade
Even if you don't, I'd say take it, as 15 keys isn't loads, and 1 blood is helpful in the long run
stray frigate
how can i serach in one channel?
stray frigate
oh found ty
dapper bridge
np
gloomy vine
I would predict the last olympian if there is only one more to come would be Hephaestus. Fire is common element in games and this is missing so far. Also as god of forge it'll probably have weapon boons as well as fire. Also, he has been mentioned in the game in some of the dialogue indirectly. I'm not betting it all on him but I'd wager a decent amount that he is our guy.
heady zephyr
What would the effect of fire be though, there's already a poison dot
Maybe fire could focus on creating damage zones
naive tusk
Less defense maybe?
stray frigate
some aoe for example or armor reduce
thorny edge
During the Q&A they said there will be one more olympian before v1.0
they also said it wont be Hestia (but did say its possible for a post releasse content, but its not definate they will do any)
and also deconfirmed apollo
reef galleon
So how do I give ambrosia, say, to skelly? I've given him all the gifts I could already and I want my summon.
thorny edge
which of the 12 olympians leavess hera and hephaesstus
he'll give a quessst at some point to kill him with maxed out Zag sword
dire mason
Hey Gravel! Not to poke too many holes but I believe Greg's answer said one last character - we're leaving plenty of room for suspicion. 
thorny edge
oohhh
dire mason
But the question was about gods & boons so it's a logical step to take. 😄
thorny edge
i guess i got ahead of myself 😅 will be exciting either way!
dapper bridge
Oh man, I totally forgot to read the Q&A!
naive tusk
Thanks for clarification Caitlin
fallow niche
Yeah Demeter was the last Olympian (at least for boons)
Next big content thing to revolve around we're getting is the new weapon though
naive tusk
They do mention a lot in game how they are in pieces but who knows?
untold quiver
@dim rapids I personally live and die by the Posidon Blade....I really f
Don't switch up much I've found it's
Posidon Blade
Chaos Shield (very very rarely Zag Shield)
Achilles Spear
Chiron Bow
Eris Rail
Happy to give tips from my personal perspective if you want
patent tiger
I really struggle to do well with the shield. My two victories I got with Aegis were due to a powerful cast core
narrow raptor
what's the most fun bow aspect?
patent tiger
To me I enjoy Hera Aspect a lot. Others might say Chiron. Though there is still one more Aspect to be released (I think)
untold quiver
I find Chiron to be the most fun allowing you to switch between aoe and hard single target.... especially with high crit on special or stacking doom
Speaking of the weapons....I love Ares line musing how bad it would be if humanity got it's hands on something like the rail
turbid needle
Yeah all weapons will gain one more aspect except spear?
fallow niche
Is he? Sisyphus mentions him still being there in one of his dialogs @lament coral
SG may not have gone with that part
lament coral
that wouldn't make sense, considering Heracles is dead and he had to free Prometheus as part of his labors
fallow niche
I know, that's why I said "SG may not have gone with that part"
This is technically their mythos in the game
narrow raptor
chiron seems like the best
is there any real advantage to being able to load casts in your bow shots?
or is it just like… flavor…
naive tusk
You can fire the casts real quick and make the enemy the center of impact easily
tawny hare
Is there any full detailed guide? The wikia and steam dont show a lot of info i believe
I mean like builds, secrets, how to complete the list of missions, etc
bright mulch
Loading casts into your Shot loads the damage on impact
So at the start you get to add an +150 Damage nuke you keep picking up because you'll mostly one shot stuff
It's pretty fun
rare notch
lament coral
@tawny hare you can look up some stuff in Hades' guides section on Steam
how many tries did that take?
lament coral
were you trying with the timer at the beginning?
tawny hare
How many hours you have in the game @rare notch
rare notch
60 hours
tawny hare
Lol
thorny oracle
So i got a question, im playing right now and i have a cast duo with Dionysus and Zeus and i got a Demeter boon and its another cast duo with Demeter and Dionysus so i wanna know if the cast will have all 3 or this new one will replace the other