Imagine having to deal with Asterius with -42% movement speed
#h1-builds-and-combat
obtuse tapir
sand glade
Which is funny too, most of the time, I go for more darkness or more coin rewards, but with a few times, I go for attack bonus and special bonus.
or boon rarity increase
I can see it. All I can say is I hope you have enough boons filled with two or more curses.
I can definitely see it if you have the Rail.
limpid vortex
Im really enjoying blade rift on the shield.
sand glade
As a dash or as a cast because yes to both.
limpid vortex
Both, preference to dash though
limpid vortex
Here's me, looking for my first clear still haha
sand glade
You'll get there! After I maxed out the rank of the god keepsakes, I kinda alternated to whatever I feel like wanting for the run. Sometimes, it's great. Annnd Idk how you feel about them, but Trial of the Gods are definitely worth two boons.
limpid vortex
It took me a good 10 attempts to figure out the best boons for what I wanted, and then even more to remember to upgrade my mirror.
real sphinx
I usually take chaos so long as it's not in elysium
sand glade
That too. Chaos, while they punish you first, often helps with attack/special/cast bonuses that will definitely help with clearing rooms faster and even upping the rarity on future boons (so you don't have to buy that yarn!)
obtuse tapir
The same for me, though I think twice if it seems like I'm gonna have to fight the Hydra with Chaos' curse.
Against bosses the penalty often becomes too much
dim rapids
any recommended boons to build for on shield?
sand glade
Since peeps mention using Bull Rush a lot, Poseidon and Rupture sound like they'd do well.
turbid needle
Zeus. his lighting attack boon pairs very well with its high attack speed.
and doubly so if you get the hammer improvement that causes attacks to hit twice. @dim rapids
sand glade
Zeus and Poseidon. 🔨
lament coral
if only Zeus wasn't such an ass and gave you an attack whenever you needed it
and not his useless special
main citrus
Zeus and Poseidon <3
Zeus and Poseidon with the double attack on blade is fantastic. I said it like 5 times already but it's really good.
Zeus is a god that benefits from proc quantity more than quality.
limpid vortex
I really like Ares/Dionysus
dusky steeple
I was here the other day saying how I hadn’t beaten final boss and didn’t know what I was doing wrong.
Just to report I’ve now beaten him on pretty much every run I’ve done since 😂
Last run was a Zeus/Poseidon epic on 3 heat
With the sword
Literally only pressed y for the last few rooms
Double knock back, waves when they hit walls, lightning with wave effects, and jolted that persists
The sewers were particularly funny because they’re such close quarters
dim rapids
any suggestions on how to handle extreme measures bone hydra?
turbid needle
Fish for Athena and Sure Footing.
Figuratively, not literally, you can't just haul an Athena boon out of the Phlegethon.
dim rapids
all i did was just wreck it with a pretty op build
but when it comes to normal builds i don't know whether i can last lmao
fringe blade
When the main head comes over, just gtfo and start hitting another head
on another island
Trying to dodge the main heads attack while dodging all of the other head's attack is a bit too much skill required
trail timber
On top of the random shotgun pattern the lava balls-head start spraying if you're unlucky enough.
limpid vortex
@dim rapids Shield is your friend against Hydra.
Especially if you can get the armour damage bonus upgrade
dim rapids
lol all i did was use chiron aspect on coronacht
demeter attack + dionysus special
shredded everything
it's so good
gloomy vine
Does picking up a boon from one God make it more likely to see that same boon again later in the run? It feels like it does but perhaps I'm falling victim to confirmation bias.
dim rapids
pretty sure it does
trail timber
I think so as well
usually the first ones you pick in Tartarus gonna be showing up periodically in Elysium and the Temple
unkempt pagoda
generally, taking a god's boon makes them more likely to show up
if you've taken a god a lot, chances are you're gonna see them again, though not always
once i had an entirely athena/artemis run and every room and shop in styx were poseidon and zeus...
long sierra
Man, Move Speed should not be underestimated at all, especially drift dash. I can't believe i actively avoided those
solid cairn
What are all the special end screen messages
stray frigate
Funny thing
if u enter Chaos gate without Egg u cant exit - only surrender cus u lost hp
and if u have Egg with u - exit is avaliable
mighty ermine
yeah, not sure what you mean
main citrus
The boons weren't that much of an influence aside from strength growth
But dude, the weapon mods were amazing.
stray frigate
if u lose HP till encounter - u cant Exit. When u press Esc buttton u see only Surrender
main citrus
I was mostly going for a regular run to close the two last pact modifiers, but then I got my best time right after I did a sword run with time limit :'D
mighty ermine
ohh, you mean the "give up" menu option versus the "quit" one
long sierra
can you normal exit mid run?
stray frigate
yeah idk how it called in english
long sierra
prolly quit
mighty ermine
no problem, i see what you mean now
trail timber
I have a softspot for the Adamant Rail
long sierra
legitimately didnt know you could leave mid run
trail timber
Something about 3 x special mortar + Artermis' crit that make things more interesting
main citrus
I didn't get Artemis on this runn, but it wasn't necessary because the combo was doing silly amounts of damage :'D
It was basically a gun made of Aphrodite's cast with explosions
leaden pine
how do you perfect fish? I've only ever caught a perfect catch once
stray frigate
Reflecting Theseus bombs keep killing me
trail timber
I find running right behind him with Hermes' inc movement speed after you dash the safest spot
nothing he launches proc fast enough that makes the space immediately behind unsafe
I find it slightly safer recently to just break his chariot first
radiant swallow
^
trail timber
and then deal with both his call and the minotaur gundam
stray frigate
u still dash and reflect this goddamn bombs
and they fall without indicator
and instakill you witth 120 dmg
trail timber
radiant swallow
Dont know if that has ever happened to me
turbid needle
👏 REDUCE 👏 THESEUS'S 👏 BOMB 👏 DAMAGE 👏
inner heath
So, I got close to finally getting the 100% dodge build
Ended up with 98.8% because boons were not on my side besides the Hermes ones
turbid needle
Did you ever sit in front of Hades after using a Call and dodge all his attacks?
inner heath
Yup! Here's a clip, if anyone's curious (Spoiler - final boss fight) ||https://gfycat.com/alarminglimitedintermediateegret||
Ignore the auto-revenge and massive amounts of HP loss before this
turbid needle
That's beautiful.
inner heath
but it seemed to work. I don't think there's a cap
trail timber
What are you made of?
YOUR WORST FEAR
inner heath
But the dodge sometimes seemed inconsistent. I need to kinda test it more, because I took more hits than I expected. Maybe there is a cap then? Honestly not sure
turbid needle
Like that skeleton comic where it drinks a bunch of milk to take zero damage, but with Zagreus holding the Lambent Plume instead.
gloomy vine
Can someone please clarify what happens when you have 2 hangover effects with different dps values? Does one overrule the other? Is it just done based on order the stacks are given? I checked the wiki but didn't see any info on this
turbid needle
I think the highest damage stack takes priority.
I've put five stacks on something before with Drunken Strike and then popped Dio's Aid and they were taking more damage but still at five stacks.
inner heath
I've honestly been wondering that too, Fluff, and my assumption was that whatever caused the stack determines the damage of it
But that's an assumption on my part
gloomy vine
I would hope the highest dps takes priority. If not then it might be a mistake keeping the lower dps boon. Hmm
inner heath
Maybe someone's done the testing and has a confirmed answer. Wish I knew. If you ever find out, @ me about it please 😄
gloomy vine
Will do 🐅
fallow niche
Just took no damage from Hades 
Holy smokes Hestia + Drift Dash is a good time
I think I got hit only a handful of times that run
fallow niche
Wish I did the Hydraskip and played a bit more optimally, then I think I could get a 10 minute run or so
trail timber
Hydraskip, tell me more about this
inner heath
Seeing that "Perfect Clear" at the top right is the best
fallow niche
Deal enough damage at the first second of the hydra fight to instantly kill it and bypass its barriers that healthgate it
solid cairn
Now we need 100% damage reduction in a run
inner heath
I've been told damage reduction caps out at 80%
fallow niche
@inner heath oh snap you're right its there
solid cairn
Dodge doesn’t cap tho right
trail timber
32
How does one get to where you are
inner heath
I honestly don't know, Cinder. I felt like it might, because I took hits that I felt I shouldn't have, but that could have to do with using the call and the timer after (it should really show you a 15s timer after you use the call). I wouldn't be surprised if it capped at 80 or so too
Or I could've been very unlucky taking a few hits with a 98.8% dodge
solid cairn
Forge is a very good player
fallow niche
@trail timber Time and effort? Also knowing how to formulate a build from the start and use Fated Authorities right
inner heath
I want to keep on trying to get a perfect 100%, tank Hades as much as possible and see
solid cairn
I pretty much lean deep into whichever boon I want from the start
fallow niche
Also not all aspects are equal for 32 heat runs
solid cairn
Probably not the best use of authorities
inner heath
32 on all is awesome. I haven't attempted anything above...13? I'm doing one heat at a time for each weapon (AKA all weapons at heat 1, then all weapons at heat 2, etc.) just to make sure I get all the bounties
solid cairn
It’s usually faster to do it all with a weapon you’re good at
inner heath
Yeah, that's insane
fallow niche
I'm on the leaderboard for 32 heat speedruns atm but Haelian just overtook both me and the Taiwanese player
inner heath
Mine died (only at 27ish I think) when I tried Guan Yu for the first time. I had it at level 1...it was a mistake
solid cairn
I don’t do streaks lol
trail timber
Plenty to learn for me 🙂
solid cairn
But I probably could just skip to 16 with guan yu and do it
fallow niche
My best run with Hades aspect was when I ditched the spin and got Flurry Jab
fallow niche
Yeah we got Guan Yu, don't need two spin spears
inner heath
I used it until we got Guan Yu, yeah
solid cairn
Guan yu is a little broken
fallow niche
No its not
solid cairn
For grinding heat it sure is
inner heath
I actually did something similar to Forge. I used the spin to get the status effect, but then instantly used Flurry Jab until the effect wore off/the enemy died
fallow niche
Chaos shield is still better
solid cairn
Oh yeah the consistency
fallow niche
Guan Yu is just easy for more casual players to use
radiant swallow
For some reason, I feel like dodge isn't an additive stat
For every instance of dodge you have, it rolls to hit or miss
fallow niche
@inner heath Flurry Jab removes your ability to spin tho
solid cairn
I think I may enjoy chaos shield more now that’s it’s not busted
radiant swallow
Zues shield feels busted though
solid cairn
I don’t really touch shield or bow at all
fallow niche
Also not busted
solid cairn
I’m not even getting bow up to 5 heat it’s so insufferable for me
fallow niche
One thing I consistently see from more casual players is thinking Zeus shield and Guan Yu as OP and it makes me 
real hard
radiant swallow
Cast bow has been feeling better and better to me
inner heath
@fallow niche oh, then I'm forgetting. There's another basic attack hammer one, right? whatever that one is
fallow niche
You pinged yourself dude
radiant swallow
In terms of consistent 40-heat runs, guan yu is the best there is
fallow niche
Guan Yu ain't OP, its not the best 32 heat weapon nor is it anywhere close to being the best 0 heat weapon
No its not @radiant swallow
radiant swallow
Whats the best 32 heat weapon?
radiant swallow
Why
shell solar
Wait what I didn't curse
fallow niche
Guan Yu is just the easiest to use
solid cairn
My chaos shield is only level 2
fallow niche
Why? Because the shield comes with a block and deals more damage, and doesn't rely on charge attacks @radiant swallow
solid cairn
I don’t have spare titan blood around
radiant swallow
Isn't bull rush technically a charge attack
fallow niche
Or rather, a worse charge attack that doesn't protect itself
radiant swallow
🍎
solid cairn
I can either grind sword or spear
shell solar
How do I keep getting hit while dodging, especially with Athena dash. Like when I am dying I'm even sliding across the floor with the shields spinning around me
fallow niche
Its easy to forget Bull Rush is a charge attack when you block while doing it
Makes it by far the best charge attack in the game
solid cairn
How good is poseidon sword compared to chaos shield
last nacelle
What if the bow had a shield upgrade. Charging power shot blocks attacks.
fallow niche
Zeus shield is extremely slow
solid cairn
Blocking is dumb and should be changed
fallow niche
And range too
Its also really disappointing players talk about weapons being "OP" when in reality there are a bunch of aspects that are pretty bad
radiant swallow
Im curious if you've played with the zues shield in this update yet
radiant swallow
It feels a lot better than before, at the very least
Definitely wouldn't call it op
inner heath
Poseidon Sword with Hunting Blades is craaaaazy. Probably other cast combos too.
radiant swallow
But it feels a ton better
solid cairn
Hunting blades doesn’t stick into enemies
fallow niche
It deals more damage, a whole lot, but its like the Achilles Spear in terms of awkwardness to use
But worse
radiant swallow
I've been very happy with Hera Bow for casts, because of the fact you get two epic hermes boons as an aspect
radiant swallow
Eh, I think it's much less awkward than the achilles spear
fallow niche
@inner heath Poseidon sword is the recordholder for the top 3-5 speedruns atm
inner heath
You don't need it to stick into enemies, the damage is all that matters
fallow niche
I pushed for its use over chaos shield 
solid cairn
Forge you said Poseidon sword was just a tier below chaos shield for 32 heat right
inner heath
Ha, good to know. Poseidon Sword and Hera Bow are probably my top 2 weapons, because casts are fun and no other aspect helps them
fallow niche
Uh no not for 32 heat
radiant swallow
I like hera bow, because it makes casting feel super fluid
And it feels way better than chiron aspect as things get tougher, imo
fallow niche
Best 32 heat weps are probably Any Shield > Guan Yu > Hestia Rail > Everything else
solid cairn
Fluid is the last thing I would use to describe Hera bow
inner heath
My favorite build is probably the Hera True Shot one
last nacelle
Achellis Spear is also used for casts.
radiant swallow
Hestia Rail is the 150+ damage attack one, right?
fallow niche
Yes
radiant swallow
How do you even play that
inner heath
True Shot + Fully Loaded + Exit Wounds + Greater Recall = so much burst damage
solid cairn
Athena dash
last nacelle
You reload after every shot. It's just like playing call of duty.
fallow niche
Hestia rail is just shoot reload shoot reload shoot reload
1-shot everything in the game
inner heath
I play it on a crit+backstab build
inner heath
Yeah, I never use artemis dash with it
solid cairn
Only bow aspect I’m really a fan of is Chiron
fallow niche
Regular bow is decent with some niche builds
Its also faster than Chiron
But Chiron is more consistent
Hera has some fun builds that are good too
solid cairn
If I use the bow then I’m super desperate for bounties
radiant swallow
The chiron bow started feeling clunky once I put more +faster enemies on
solid cairn
I don’t like it
radiant swallow
And your special is stronger when you just shotgun it
solid cairn
And the only thing I want maxed that I don’t have already is chaos shield because it’s so good
radiant swallow
Like, zues on special procs 1-2 times on chiron bow, but 3-4 times in melee range up front every other kind of bow
fallow niche
I wouldn't consider that really bad
inner heath
Not liking an aspect is perfectly fine. That's the reason there's so much variety with the: everyone can find one they like. And 8 heat is good! I'm only at 13 or 14 heat (I'd have to check). It's solid
fallow niche
There are people here who have many, many tries and still haven't beaten it once
inner heath
^ exactly. As long as you're having fun too, then who cares
fallow niche
Yup
dusky steeple
I think once you win once it definitely snowballs
fallow niche
Being concerned about whether you're good or bad shouldn't really be a factor imho
And yeah it does
solid cairn
That was mostly me complaining for the sake of complaining it’s a bad habit
fallow niche
You're fine man
inner heath
I think once you get a mostly complete mirror it gets a lot easier too. Death defiances, stronger boons, etc. are all super helpful. And those are just time to unlock, really
fallow niche
Also learning how to use Privileged Status is a huge thing, that took me about a dozen runs to figure out
inner heath
^ the reason I missed 100% dodge is because I never got 2 statuses 😦 if I did I would've easily cleared some other rooms under the timer
solid cairn
I have full mirror otherwise and 3 authorities
dusky steeple
Privileged status?
inner heath
Yeah, and I'm sure with that + the time you've been playing, the game is a lot easier than when you first started
inner heath
It's from the mirror. It is, essentially, having 2 status effects = +50% damage
inner heath
you'll know it's active on an enemy because you'll see a box with an "x" it in. Tanish color
solid cairn
Slow weak enemies
fallow niche
There is also a different sound that plays when you hit them
dusky steeple
Ohh that
inner heath
So that + a cast lodged in an enemy = +100% damage. Very useful for your DPS, especially against bosses where you can effectively always have a cast in them
solid cairn
Wait it’s not 100%
inner heath
(assuming you have a cast that lodges)
dusky steeple
Non lodging casts seem like a dangerous choice due to bosses
inner heath
It's additive, so +50% and +50%. Though the cast one only applies to attacks and specials
50 from cast and 50 from statuses, assuming both are maxed on your mirror
solid cairn
Who still has ptsd from day 1 long winter
fallow niche
What does that mean
solid cairn
Long winter update before they patched all the bad decisions they made
I straight up quit the game for 3 days because of that
earnest delta
how do aoe crits work? like for example the rail's special
is easy explosion either a crit or not crit
*each
or does it apply "crit or not crit" to each individual enemy?
same for twin shot with the bow, can 1 arrow crit and the other not, or are they in sync?
hollow sorrel
I think that was the most important time to play the game, so that feedback could be given
livid comet
? day one of post update?
livid comet
when was day one for long winter again?
hollow sorrel
The day a lot of things got super nerfed, and was unnerfed the day after
unkempt pagoda
21st of jan
solid cairn
Remember zagreus aspect spear
A whole 10 flat damage to attack and dash attack
Yay
Nemesis 20% crit at level 5
New hammers sucked (some of them still do)
It was bad
And I know a lot of devs who wouldn’t have patched it that soon and would let players suffer until the next update
Never played any of SG’s other games so I didn’t know what to expect from them
hollow sorrel
The main issue with the Nemesis sword is it needs to do super high damage, to make up for all the time it has to sit and wait for things to happen. If a hydra head floats over deep lava, or if the hydra boss decides to float next to a sub-hydra head that you're trying to kill, then you literally have to sit there and wait
And there are a lot of other times (e.g. minotaur spinning around for like 10 seconds, or even a fury sitting in the middle of traps/beyblades) where the nemesis has to just sit there and wait
solid cairn
Yeah I dropped nemesis because guan yu is just what I liked about the risk reward but done better
limpid vortex
Man Im so tempted to start a new file. I'm so many runs in because I didnt understand wtf was happening for the first 20 runs.
Still no clear.
hollow sorrel
It helps that the Guan Yu spear throw is so powerful that some people build their game around it
Meaning that even if you aren't stacking special damage boons, the spear throw is still decent enough to be useful when you can't get into melee range
pastel jolt
i want to start a new file just for funsies but the thought of grinding my darkness back up again is a Nightmare
solid cairn
Yeah not even having all weapons too
steep sentinel
The grind in a new game is part of the pleasure for me
hollow sorrel
New files in this game is just farming the first biome until you have enough darkness to actually play the game
limpid vortex
Yeah you're probably right. I just wanna make a clear with a non-embarassing amount of attempts.
inner heath
Personally, I'm not starting a new file until the game is out in 1.0 state, because I'm an achievement person and I'm sure I'll have to start a new file to unlock some of the achievements
solid cairn
Doesn’t matter how many attempts
hollow sorrel
The first biome is faster than the others on a new save file, and the game doesn't actually reward more resources at the later biomes, so why bother going past the first biome, if you're still stuck with things like only one dash
inner heath
So I don't want to have three different files
solid cairn
Some people have beaten it in 3 some people have taken over 40
livid comet
this is why I'm a strong advocate of having a practice arena where you can try out all the boons you've gotten in your runs so far.
steep sentinel
For challenge, to see how far you can get in a gimped state
inner heath
There's a speedrunner (I forget the name, sorry) that beat the game on a fresh save file using the first run they give you when you load it for the first time
solid cairn
Beating the game on a fresh file is interesting
olive sand
Hello. What the lyre is for? I have very few diamonds right now and I don't want to spend one for the lyre if it's just a ancient jukebox.
solid cairn
I haven’t done it but it’s interesting
inner heath
I think a practice arena would be nice, but personally I'd want no boons to show up in it except boons you've already used in the game. That way you're still getting surprised on your runs
livid comet
the lyre has prophecies attached to it iirc
limpid vortex
Yeah, just unlocked boons would be nice.
inner heath
It does, but it's essentially an acient jokebox, but it's Zagreus playing it, not like the music stand
livid comet
Yeah. That way the runs give you incentive to build out your library
inner heath
It's lore, fun, and more voicelines and such, but nothing that would add to your run
solid cairn
Sandbox mode would be cool
olive sand
Okay thanks. I'm gonna wait to buy it then, I have more urgent things to unlock. ^^
livid comet
Sandbox doesn't have that many upvotes in feedback tho
inner heath
No problem
solid cairn
But we’re in “adding a console to the game” levels of 4th wall breaks
Well it’s not a 4th wall break but you know what I mean
limpid vortex
If you're on a meh to bad run, is it most practical to just suicide and start over?
inner heath
Sometimes people don't vote much in feedback. I try not to unless I feel strongly one way or the other.
Completely up to you, Hadly. You can finish it out for experience, unlocking things on your Fated Prophecies list, gemstones, darkness, keys, bounties, etc. Or you could suicide and try again if you're just trying to grind wins.
livid comet
pretty much
limpid vortex
Just trying to get my first clear so I can get the bounties.
inner heath
Sometimes I turn a "I'm not gonna win this run" into a "let's farm darkness and gemstones" run
If it's your absolute first clear, never beaten the game, I'd say stick it out
The only thing that helps beating the final boss, besides knowing your boons and RNG, is practice against them
limpid vortex
Usually I can make it to Mino/Thessesus without losing a life, but was down all three by Hydra.
inner heath
But that's just my opinion. Also, darkness helps a lot in early game. A strong mirror makes things considerably easier
If you're not feeling it and just aren't having fun, feel free to suicide. Ultimately, it's up to you and your opinion. Hopefully those pros and cons will help you decide
limpid vortex
Awesome, thanks for the help
Picked this game up on a whim because I was getting burned out on RoR2 and this might be one of my favourite games I've played in a long, long time.
inner heath
Nice! It's a blast. I love it too
bitter canopy
not sure if this is the right place to ask but it concerns gameplay so here I go. After beating the game I can't get rewards after beating bosses. I mean as I understand if I want to get more I need to beat bosses by rising heat from the Punishment scroll. I keep changing conditions but I always get only dark thing, is it supposed to be like that or do I do something wrong?
stray frigate
@bitter canopy look
you get bounties for every heat lvl u didnt beat before
when u start ur run all u need to add heat lvl untill ur bar will be full
bitter canopy
yes, that's what I do
stray frigate
also u can see what bounties u already have for that heat lvl
and which are not yet
give ur Pact screen if u can
link
bitter canopy
ok, then this is a problem. cause when I keep rising it all of them are ticked like I got them
stray frigate
screen pls
cerulean crown
Hi everyone! Got the same issue @quartz remnant did - after the update I cannot interact with Thanatos (no gift or talk option). During encounters he just poofs away, and back at the Palace I just have no option to interact (unless it's listen to his conversation with other characters, like Hypnos), I think I managed to talk to him just once since uodate. Is it a bug or a narrative? :D
inner heath
Henry, if it's showing every bounty is claimed for every weapon on every heat then that's probably a bug (unless you beat the game on every heat with every weapon, in which case, props) so use F10.
As for Thanatos, as far as I know, it's not possible to talk to him during your run now (at least I haven't been able to). If you find him in the House of Hades, he'll have one of two locations: the lounge or in the west hall. If he's in the lounge with Meg, they'll be in a conversation so you won't be able to gift him. He should be giftable if he appears in the west hall though. If you can't gift him there, then that's probably a bug (and once again, F10 it). Obviously, that's RNG to even get him there, because you have to find him during your run, have him show up in the House of Hades, and have him be in the west hall. but currently, as far as I know (and if anyone knows better feel free to correct me), that's the only way to gift him @cerulean crown @quartz remnant hopefully that helps
bitter canopy
Ok, I changed aspects of weapons and get this for me rising heat works only with sword with aspect of Poseidon. Arrow bow doesn't work, shield, gun - none of it.
inner heath
Aspects themselves don't have a heat attached to them. Only the base weapon. For example, if you beat the final boss on 1 heat with the sword, then it doesn't matter which aspect of the sword you use next - to get bounties you have to go to 2 heat for it
stray frigate
so can i have screen with ur problem@bitter canopy
inner heath
I hope that makes sense
bitter canopy
@stray frigate I'm trying but discord doesn't allow me, probably because I just joined
inner heath
It's a SuperGiant discord thing. Upload the image to imgur or another image hosting site
bitter canopy
@stray frigate https://imgur.com/a/yodLSso
stray frigate
это не баг
cerulean crown
Thank you loads @inner heath I'll report the bug inside the game with a screenshot if I encounter it (West Hall, no gift option)! And thanks for the info about the changes ✨
stray frigate
у тебя просто получены все награды вплоть то Аида
inner heath
No problem! Glad I could help
bitter canopy
но с мечом то такая фигня работает
mighty ermine
you need to beat the final boss on 1 heat or higher to progress your bounties and get more bounty rewards for earlier bosses
stray frigate
ну так я хз какие у тебяф успехи с ним
награды за каждый уровень пекла работают ОТДЕЛЬНО для каждого оружия
inner heath
Yup, what Tailesque said, since it doesn't have a check. But I imagine that's what gznm is saying in their native tongue
stray frigate
и ты должен получить все 4 награды чтобы ты мог получать награды за следующий уровень
ты победил на 1 уровне пекла первых 3х боссов
но не победил 4го
вот и всё
нет смысл закликивать уровень пекла
сиди на 1м пока не пройдешь игру
потом подымаешь до 2 и сможешь получать награды за всех боссов опять
understand?
bitter canopy
видимо так
хотя у того же копья полностью пройдено обычным режимом, 1 на два пункта, поднимаю до двух и всё могу забирать
stray frigate
чет я твой русский очень плохо понимаю
bitter canopy
I mean I beat the Hades with spear, then with heat 1 I won two reards but I still can rise heat to lvl 2 and get all 4 rewards without beating the previous one
stray frigate
how many heat ask pact for ur spear
stray frigate
it cant be
if u didnt beat lvl 1
pact will ask lvl 1
u CANT get higher lvl bounties untill u get lowest
bitter canopy
oh, wait. It's 1 actually
I kept rising last condition so it got me 2
Wait If I don't get the last one on Hades without the heat, I can still rise it to lvl 1 and get all rewards? Correct?
bitter canopy
😄 I'll sleep on it, maybe I understand it tomorrow
inner heath
You must beat ALL bosses on the heat it says for the weapon you choose. It will give a number at the top of the Pact of Punishment. If you raise heat above that, it will only change the difficulty, not the rewards. Only after beating all bosses will the bounties change. If you already earned a bounty (so maybe beat the first 3 bosses but not the 4th), it will give you darkness instead.
I'm sure that's what gznm was saying, but maybe hearing it worded differently might help
inner heath
Thanks. I hope so too
rotund wagon
where does gameplay related bug goes to
stray frigate
f10?
rotund wagon
alright
basically I am having a problem with Hera bow, when loaded with Aphrodite crush shot, it has a tendency to disappear when shot at a wall
stray frigate
go through wall?
yeah i met this bug
not bug
but
i do not think it should work that way
rotund wagon
I mean, it would go out of bound and you won't be able to collect it
so I would say its a bug
the bow is hella fun though
no pun intended
mossy mirage
I'm pretty new to the game and pretty bad, any suggestions on the best weapon aspect to work with first? something I can stick with for a bit to gather some more resources and learn the game a bit better?
i've tried to do some googling but I'm worried most of the info isn't current enough with all the patching
mossy mirage
ok, that's one I was thinking of, that and that spear aspect that pulls you to the target of the Y
stray frigate
Achiles?
mossy mirage
yah
stray frigate
well i generally hate spears
mossy mirage
i've only got a few blood so won't be able to max anything right out of the gate
stray frigate
GY is only exception
@mossy mirage Hera. Zag Shield
and rail
For Shield u may combine Zeus/Pos
or better Aphro Ares
Aphro for attack and Ares for special
mossy mirage
I tried doing a run with zag shield buffing the special and it did ok
stray frigate
Charge bull rush and hit most enemies with it and proc weak. Release special after that and proc Doom and Status for most
mossy mirage
hmm ok, I'll give that a shot
i didn't do the bull rush much when I was using the shield
stray frigate
Rail with Zeus attack and support fire
@mossy mirage when i started to play shield
i used to take dash attack and attack
and just spam dash and atack like mad around the enemy
now i prefer to use Special for damage
and bullrush to defence and proc half of status
jagged canopy
what works well with Chiron Bow other than Dionysus
desert robin
Demeter
turbid needle
Artemis.
desert robin
Demeter special with the 10 stack explosion is 👌
hollow sorrel
I'd really like to use Aphro cast on the Hera bow, but the whole "shooting out of bounds" makes it a pain. It also means a lot of repositioning on EX Hydra boss, because if the lava is behind the hydra heads, then the casts might decide to just land in the deep lava, because they sometimes don't get stuck in the hydra heads
lament coral
Demeter attack with Aphro special
permanent Priv Stat
maximum special damage
get Pressure Points and dominate
timber temple
Generally speaking which Eurydice option is better?
lament coral
they're all situational
hollow sorrel
It might matter of how many boons you have at that point, and if you already have a boon you really want upgraded
lament coral
if you have have 2-3 boons with attack/cast/special, I'd take rarity; 4+ boons, levels; no good boons, take rarity booster.
timber temple
One would think pom porridge is since it provides the most amount of boosts
lament coral
why would you take the porridge if you have less than 4 boons and some of em not even levelable?
timber temple
True
lament coral
like I said, each option is situational
desert robin
I’d say the one that makes ur next boons higher rarity is probably the least picked tho for me atleast
I almost never want that 1
lament coral
that's because you probably get attack/special/cast and would rather buff those
I had a Zag bow run where I didn't see a single attack before Elysium
timber temple
I actually usually end up going for that one since when progressing through asphodel you have options
lament coral
that's 2 bloody biomes without an attack, on a bow aspect that relies on attack
and the attack I got in Elysium? Ares
desert robin
Even if I had worse boons I’d probably rather just rarity up them tho
lament coral
why would you rarity boost dash?
hollow sorrel
That's why I like 7:00 minute deadline. If they game wants to be terrible, it can just self destruct itself with its own deadline
lament coral
If I had the timer on, I would've uninstalled the game
desert robin
Rarity boosting dash isn’t completely useless
timber temple
lament coral
and never play it again
that run took me 50 minutes
50!
all because the game was an ass and wouldn't give me an attack
desert robin
What heat were you on
timber temple
I had something similar happen with the stygian blade
lament coral
20
timber temple
Nothing but dash boosts
desert robin
Yeah that makes more sense
turbid needle
Rarity boosting Dash is super useful on max Forced Overtime. Zagreus really wants 3 dashes normally, but 4 or 5 shines on high Heat.
hollow sorrel
My chiron bow, where the only special boon happened on the minotaur miniboss, was 58 minutes
lament coral
I guess the game's always been like this, but you don't really feel the pain until you crank up the heat
at which point garbage boon RNG just ruins your run
desert robin
I play on like 15-16 and I don’t think I’ve had it that bad yet lol
timber temple
Sometimes you just gotta take the loss and start over i guess
lament coral
if that's how the game is gonna be, I'd rather not play at all
obtuse tapir
Did you reroll the right things?
lament coral
32 heat was bad enough
obtuse tapir
nvm I think you'd definitely know if you aim for 15+ heat
I was trying to say that rerolling darkness can't result in a boon
lament coral
hollow sorrel
My argument is if the devs can't make reliably winnable games with some of the punishments, then those punishments should either be deleted or rebalanced
obtuse tapir
yup
lament coral
I suggest this before, that the very first god gift you pick up should contain only attack/special/cast
because that's the meat of any run
not dash, not call
turbid needle
I don't think any single Pact option is overwhelming.
desert robin
Ya but when you combine them the problems happen lol
lament coral
Lasting Consequences, Budget Cuts, and timer are most definitely overwhelming
fallow niche
I forgot hydraskip and had bad sack RNG 
lament coral
I'd say Overtime could be unbearable for the sword as well
turbid needle
Lasting Consequences probably depends on the weapon, but Budget Cuts and Tight Deadline alone are totally fine.
obtuse tapir
No Choice seems also very terrible
fallow niche
No Choice is the worst
desert robin
Overtime is my favorite heat
fallow niche
Of all pact modifiers
obtuse tapir
like sometimes it just makes the game unplayable
fallow niche
Overtime is my favorite too
turbid needle
No Choice taunts you and I hate it for that.
lament coral
I hate Overtime Theseus n bull
timber temple
What option would you recommend running with for the first heat level?
lament coral
if you don't have the damage, you just lose all defiances to em
trap damage
that teaches you trap avoidance early on
unkempt pagoda
extreme measures
obtuse tapir
btw what's a hydraskip
hollow sorrel
Underworld can be terrible. I could have like 8 boons, and of course the game picks my attack/special/dash, instead of the garbage utility boons I would be fine selling
turbid needle
Yeah, Customs is brutal.
obtuse tapir
oh an I also recommend extreme measures
lament coral
@obtuse tapir you apply Priv Status, massive damage with your cast, and then Meg's companion on top
pastel jolt
on the bright side, @fallow niche , that's still..... 3rd place? going by the speedrun.com rankings
unkempt pagoda
@obtuse tapir there was (possibly is?) a way to skip one of the hydra's invincibility phases
lament coral
kills the hydra in 2 seconds
hollow sorrel
Or it somehow conveniently picks all the "unlocks the status ailment" boons, and the attack/special/dash/hermes boons, instead of the garbage boons
lament coral
no, you skip both phases now
unkempt pagoda
and since the first invulnerable shield didn't go off, the rest didn't either
timber temple
fallow niche
@pastel jolt I would have been 1st if not for sack RNG and a few mistakes on my part
The run was that good
pastel jolt
nice
solid cairn
no choice makes guan yu painful
fallow niche
Poseidon sword is my BABY
lament coral
no choice hurts GY's hammers
solid cairn
yes
hollow sorrel
replay the seed? I'm fairly sure speedrunning in Hades doesn't really have any rules against it
solid cairn
avoid it at all costs
lament coral
if it blocks spins AND special damage, that's practically game over
special charge, I mean
hollow sorrel
The fact that everyone uses terms like "hydra skip" instead of "hydra glitch," means that there aren't any No Glitch speedrunners in Hades that actually care
fallow niche
There is only any% runners atm because there is no way to verify someone isn't abusing something
lament coral
to be fair, hydra skipping just causes heads from both phases to spawn at once
fallow niche
Any Hydraskip may not even be a glitch
Its been around for a while and the devs may keep it there as a reward for speedrunners
lament coral
and you still have to kill em all
fallow niche
And yeah it only saves time on the clock, it doesn't get rid of the Hydra
Its not easy to pull off either necessarily
timber temple
Is Aphrodite’s Aid any good?
lament coral
it pierces shields now
timber temple
On bosses and the like?
fallow niche
Yes
lament coral
yay, you can kill Theseus!
fallow niche
Its not particularly good against normal encounters
But its very good against bosses
fallow niche
I mean
hollow sorrel
I charm still bugged?
fallow niche
If the charm deflect bug aint a bug its real good
lament coral
no
fallow niche
Yes it is
lament coral
how?
hollow sorrel
because I refuse to use charm stuff if it's still bugged
fallow niche
Deflect something at a charmed enemy and they'll take a massive amount of damage
timber temple
6 sec of charm hmm...
mild crag
Its sounds like a bug tbh
lament coral
huh, I've never noticed
fallow niche
I don't know the exact amount of damage because it forces bosses to their damage gate
It may just be like 99999999
hollow sorrel
there was also a bug, I think involving charm and deflect, that caused Zag to take massive damage
lament coral
I did, however, notice that if an enemy attacks as the charm ends and you're in range, you'll take damage
hollow sorrel
whatever is was, it happened often enough that I stopped using it
fallow niche
Charm is good on bosses and bad on normal enemies even without deflect tho tbh
lament coral
and charmed enemies continue to perform actions that affect the player negatively, like rats spewing poison or exalted souls respawning
mild crag
Basically enemies have a lot more health than Zag so enemies get damaged boosted when charmed
timber temple
Do you need the full gage for that charm bug?
fallow niche
No
It works with her legendary too
I sometimes use Aphro's call on Hades to just charm him to stop his lasers
hollow sorrel
I'd only get the aphro legendary if I thought I could sell it before it could cause Zag harm
lament coral
not anymore
fallow niche
He'll stop whatever anim he's currently doing when hes charmed and run around like a fool
mild crag
timber temple
Now theres something to try out
mild crag
timber temple
I’m actually doing Chiron run right now
I suck so I’ve got god mode at 30% now
Or at least all my performance plummets when i get to Styx
mild crag
Bow has a rough time in Styx for sure
mossy mirage
minotaur and his buddy always kick my ass, even if i get there with all my revives intact
timber temple
One thing that helps me with that is to have “1sec run post-dash” boon
It helps to avoid minotaur’s bull rush
timber temple
And i leave Thesius alone till i kill the bull
mossy mirage
I'll try focusing the bull first next time, I was trying it the other way around. Thanks for the tip 🙂
kindred matrix
how do you make zeus aspect good?
turbid needle
High damage multipliers or secondary effects.
kindred matrix
I feel like
turbid needle
I really like Zeus with Zeus Aspect, and Aphrodite and Artemis.
kindred matrix
i'd rather just use the other aspects in that case p_P
I've only had a single run that seemed ok with zeus
and that was a zeus on special
turbid needle
I think it requires a lot more player input than the other two Aspects, but I think it can be really powerful for it.
lament coral
just play Chaos instead
lament coral
Zeus shield is gimmicky garbage
turbid needle
I could crank it to 20 and be just a little more careful and it'd be fine.
kindred matrix
the DPS of chaos
turbid needle
Wow, Forge.
kindred matrix
is a lot higher to the point where it doesn't feel like purposely gimping myself
turbid needle
Zeus.
fallow niche
yeah the shield is easily the worst of the 3 imo
this is coming from my perspective tho
I needa go fast
I just had a 10 minute run
if not for sack rng it would have been sub-10 😭
nimble cypress
Just use all the terrible daedalus upgrades that ruin the shield's defensive ability
boom, you now have the big damage
grand gust
a little late here, but the minotaur rush has always been pretty simple for me, just try to dash thru the pillars
lament coral
depending on how you arc, he can curve around em
timber temple
And then the bull will also arc
When you have the option between going for the pom of power or a boon which one do you guys choose?
fallow niche
Depends
mild crag
Completely depends on circumstances
fallow niche
Yeah its extremely circumstantial
turbid needle
Drag him to a wall.
I've never not stopped a charge by taking him into a wall.
Sometimes you eat the shockwaves, but that's less damage than him goring you.
timber temple
So if you have att/spec/cast then go for poms right?
turbid needle
Not necessarily.
If you've got boons that scale well with Poms, prioritize poms.
Other boons get better when you've got 18 other boons.
fallow niche
This is a game sense you develop as you play
I honestly can't really think of any heuristics for it
thorny edge
if its a boon from a god you dont need annything moore from go pom, from a god you might want something go for the boon, if its poseidon go for the pom
lament coral
it's fairly straightforward
look at what your main damage source is: attack/special/cast
you got those boons? Level em up. You got lots of levels and the scaling is poor? Get more boons
Playing with Customs modifier? Make sure you have a boon to trade in
fallow niche
This is really not the best way to look at any of it imo
turbid needle
The Customs advice actually isn't bad.
fallow niche
Not talking about that
Like you should be formulating a build as you play and deciding what boons you need in advance the build
turbid needle
Yeah, the rest I'm not super thrilled about.
fallow niche
Even when I go blind and just see where things take me at the start by taking Coin Purse trinket, I see what my starting boon is and work around both that and my weapon and what synergizes best from there
Even if my boon scales well with poms, if I get offered between a pom and a boon from a god that synergizes with my build from two doors, I take the boon almost always
At least until the core of the build is done
Also its a HUGE shame that there isn't another trinket like Coin Purse for blind runs
Its just the best if you just want to see where the RNG takes you
turbid needle
Yeah.
lament coral
I haven't started with the purse in a long time
fallow niche
Maybe Chaos's egg? But whether or not I see him at all is up in the air too - his egg doesn't guarantee me seeing him afaik
lament coral
I know which gods and boons I want
turbid needle
It doesn't affect Chaos's spawn rate at all and I really wish it did.
fallow niche
Yeah it totally should
turbid needle
Less rarity bonus, higher/guaranteed spawn.
fallow niche
I just see no reason to use it atm
Like it saves me 24 life
Thats nothing
Cerberus Collar is better
turbid needle
If you took 2 or 3 Chaos boons in a single biome, that's not nothing.
lament coral
that's 3 rooms skipped
lament coral
it's one thing to take Chaos over a meta room, but over a boon?
fallow niche
Chaos is better than most boons, tho it depends
lament coral
I'm not taking Chaos when I don't even have an attack/special/cast
fallow niche
And Chaos doesn't skip rooms afaik
lament coral
I meant taking Chaos over a boon room
mild crag
Chaos does
turbid needle
Chaos doesn't skip pre-boss rooms.
You can take Chaos or Erebus on 12, 22, and 34 and still get a boss shop or a free item/boon.
mild crag
It skips encounters/shops/NPCs but not the pre boss ones
fallow niche
Wait, so it takes up a chamber #?
turbid needle
Prooobably don't take Chaos right before the Heroes.
mild crag
Yes
turbid needle
Yeah, why did you think it was such a go-to for speedrunners?
mild crag
Speedrunner senses timesave
fallow niche
@turbid needle I do that all the time, no risk no reward!
@turbid needle Because the buffs are insane
And legit save you a lot of time in the run too
Also did I ping you twice
That was an accident 
turbid needle
True, free 80% damage on pre-nerf Double Nova was pretty excellent.
lament coral
oh yeah, that +1 cast on my Chaos shield, or +120% Darkness, or +60% gold
that's a winner right there 
mild crag
That a lotta darkness tho zepp take it 
lament coral
tbh, I have been looking for darkness since the mirror limiter was removed
timber temple
I assume 25% dodge is good
lament coral
the more damage enemies deal, the more valuable dodge becomes
mild crag
25% more effective hp give or take depending on what you dodge
lament coral
or more
fallow niche
Well, over a large enough amount it reaches 25%
That was why I said it like that :v
green sable
Everytime i go into a Zeus Build i keep wanting to go Shazam! 😄
i might do a Zeus build with the rail since i tried one with Dio
turbid needle
Artemis Attack and Spread Fire still work.
timber temple
I like Arthemis on Special with Volley Fire
green sable
kk
thorny edge
what's ares attack with the rail like?
green sable
doom on anything is nice
turbid needle
Not fantastic.
There's downtime between shots, but I'd rather have Doom on Bombard.
turbid needle
Unless you get Merciful End, Dire Misfortune, and Spread Fire, in which case that's probably messed up.
green sable
i gotta see a full rail Zeus build
turbid needle
Had my fastest time on it. 14:57.
Not the fastest, but I don't think Zeus is "gimmicky garbage" because it requires more oversight than alternating Bull Rush and Special.
That was an Ambiguity Bonus, too, wanna clear the air with that, make sure nobody thinks Bouldy carried me.
turbid needle
People were talking yang about Zeus Aspect earlier, and I was disagreeing.
green sable
o
lament coral
I take it you either spam recall or dash around?
green sable
Well i was making my thoughts known thats all.
turbid needle
I recall pretty frequently.
lament coral
I already spam the special with Chaos
turbid needle
I know how Chaos plays.
thorny edge
of course you did well that run, the enemies didnt know what to make of you!
turbid needle
Back when it first dropped in Super Star people called it gimmicky.
green sable
Hmmm
torpid meadow
anyone have any tips for the Theseus + Asterius boss fight?
green sable
the thing about special builds is its really nice but i feel you need that hermes thing that auto recalls everything
torpid meadow
i always blow all three of my death defiance there and i'm pretty sure i'm doing something wrong
trail timber
standard or Deluxe Gold Edition (tm)?
torpid meadow
i usually just choose whatever weapon give bonus darkness lmao
green sable
yes dear
torpid meadow
i roll with whatever i get, but i usually prefer hit and run
trail timber
Rail Artermis crit on special
timber temple
Take out the bull and then focus on Theseus
turbid needle
Extreme Measures or not?
green sable
sorry about that i forgot specials are the other lol
torpid meadow
nah just the base, haven't even cleared final boss lol
green sable
im going to take Zeus main shot on the rail and everything that i can with it and see how it works for me
the Dio one i tried was great to 😄
torpid meadow
also yes i always get the bull before Theseus, but Theseus alone can waste all three of my revives, which kinda blows
not sure what i'm doing wrong tbh
timber temple
Avoid his throw attack and he’ll expose his back for good 2-3 sec
green sable
That freaking fight is irrotating
not for the fight but for the cheesy lines by Thes himself lol
turbid needle
Save a Greater Call for Theseus at half health. He doesn't defend himself at all while first invoking the gods (I think there's one exception, I think it's Ares), so if you can use something big and bursty to kill him quickly you don't have to deal with God attacks and Theseus's shield.
torpid meadow
hmm, will try that out tonight, thanks for the advice
shrewd topaz
That's also true for any full barred ability that deals a lot of burst damage
torpid meadow
it's the God attacks that are killing me
shrewd topaz
What weapon are you using?
timber temple
All the way at the bottom of the screen there a chunk i like to run to
torpid meadow
oh btw, does taking a certain hammer upgrade lock other hammer upgrades?
green sable
i dunno i thought that was always RNG
thorny edge
taking the spear attack that makes you spam basic attacks locks out the spin upgrades since you cant spin anymore
green sable
i still miss the unlimited ammo box for the rail.
turbid needle
It was too good.
torpid meadow
ah ok, i know about the more obvious ones, but i never knew there were others that don't combine
i've been experimenting with hazard bomb on the rail recently, but i never seem to get the triple bomb upgrade when i pick hazard bomb
so i wasn't sure if it was locked out or not ahaha
green sable
now we got that delta box thingy....sigh
naive tusk
Good luck out there 
torpid meadow
eh i think delta chamber is still good though
especially when you pair it with Ares
stacking doom on your enemies is always good
green sable
ya i know
torpid meadow
do you unlock guan yu by unlocking the other aspects first?
i realised i don't have much titan blood so i've been hoarding everything and didn't use any of them
thorny edge
you need too have a few aspects unlocked (dont know how many) andd then talk to achiles
shrewd topaz
Doesn't have to be all spear either
solid cairn
no save it to max guan yu
naive tusk
I recommend using the bloods since they don’t have other uses + you’ll get more
shrewd topaz
Maybe put 1 blood into all the zag aspects and be cheap
shrewd topaz
Yeah, I'm not sure on the specific amount I had unlocked before the dialogue was initiated
You also might have to go through a run to get the dialogue to trigger but I'm not sure if that's needed
fallow niche
You need specifically all the spear aspects besides Guan Yu
Other weapons don't matter afaik
mild crag
It's any three aspects
hollow sorrel
I'm fairly sure I don'y have the hades spear
mild crag
Well, any three non zag aspects
torpid meadow
oh wait i have to beat hades at least once?
hollow sorrel
torpid meadow
guess i'm not gonna unlock guan yu any time soon
mild crag
Pretty sure you don't need to beat him just see him
So if you've made it to his boss room you should be eligible for it
As long as you have three other aspects already unlocked
And keep talking to achilles
shrewd topaz
It's easier to beat your first run if most of your mirror is filled out
and using shield
torpid meadow
right now i'm just farming darkness to upgrade the mirror
karmic coyote
50 gold short from Charon's shop titan blood, if only i used Bouldy summon one more time 
shrewd topaz
Yeah, farming darkness and getting things like more life/ priv status / more lifes can make the run a lot easier
heady zephyr
Speaking of the mirror, why is fated authority exponentially more expensive than everything else
Especially on sidering rerolls are easy to find mid mission
shrewd topaz
Think it's just a end game thing for you to throw all your points at
timber temple
Finally beat Hades for the first time since the new update
With Chiron
Though i was “cheating” with god mode (30%)
Now to “Git Gud”
shrewd topaz
Haven't used it yet but it's cool they include that
glossy plaza
oh this one is new https://i.imgur.com/LhBXEcy.jpg
fallow niche
I'm fairly certain I saw that last update
turbid needle
Ideas is my favorite.
mild crag
The steam one is a newer one
fallow niche
Yeah steam is new
turbid needle
That was Welcome to Hell.
mild crag
Oh right
mild crag
Yeah since it was steam release
fallow niche
After so many successful runs
mild crag
Now I recall
willow tangle
I'm sure others have caught on, but Athena's attack deflection boon works very, very well with the Guan Yu aspect. Dashing to stay inside the circle renders you effectively untouchable.
*The Spin Attack charge hammer "makes" the combo, but attack deflection + guan yu is good regardless.
lament coral
you can pick anything for it, really, except for Ares and Poseidon
doom is useless and knockback pushes enemies away
turbid needle
Yeah, you should be taking Doom on GY Special.
lament coral
nah, that's a mad waste
50 base damage means you're dealing 100 damage with a simple +100% boon
you can easily push that to 200%+ with Aphrodite
turbid needle
It's pretty good way to spread Doom.
lament coral
sure, but then you can't make meaningful use of the special charge hammer
willow tangle
Literally 0 cover in the room. I got out-DPSed by the snake head boss. Silly little crystal boy.
lament coral
which is a godsend if you don't get spin hammers
turbid needle
There are multiple builds for Guan Yu.
@willow tangle Was it in the Dire Satyr's room?
shrewd topaz
I've had better luck prioritizing special on Guan Yu
willow tangle
that was like a 14 minute styx arrival lol
lament coral
I tried the triple dash attack, too, but the reduced dash range was very painful
turbid needle
I think Serrated Edge keeps you in place too long.
willow tangle
no, just a bum-ass room. wasn't even a "real" miniboss with the extra warning thingy
i mean it was the end of one of the lines, but there was no dire satyr to go with it i dont think
turbid needle
The super large purple snakestone should only spawn in challenge wings.
lament coral
does it? It seemed to me that you don't actually do 3 jabs, it's just a visual thing and you hit 3 times
willow tangle
i guess i'm just crazy then
regardless, that was a very unfortunate ending to my final run of the night. i think that's been the most fun i've had yet
turbid needle
It is just a visual, but instead of tying your movement back to when the "first" slash ends, it's after the third.
lament coral
I'm not sure tho, since I had extra dashes from Hermes and just kept moving around
turbid needle
It's a minute but noticeable stick in my experience.
Sorry to hear that, @willow tangle .
lament coral
I see. Not much use in it anyway since they removed the dash attack bonus from Zag
and GY has far better options
willow tangle
I had the crit chance on deflect modifier, as well as the arrow-on-...hit? or deflect from Artemis, was a ~15 minute arrival in Styx
turbid needle
RIP.
willow tangle
the only time in the run I dropped below half health on my health bar and all stocks gone in one room.
Meh. That's how games like this go. I'm happy to keep playing tomorrow :)
lament coral
I often find that non-mini boss rooms in Styx are more difficult that mini boss ones
just the sheer amount of crap, all with armor
plus laser snakes roasting your from a mile away
willow tangle
nah, the little guys aren't often much an issue for me - i mostly play bow and spear, though, so it tends to be easy to wipe up the small rats
yo, I did NOT realize Olympian Favor would go up to 50%. I hadn't even bothered unlocking it, I figured it would cap out at 10 or 15%.
guess I should unlock God's Pride next, huh
turbid needle
Yup.
willow tangle
...that might explain why 16heat has been so tough.
turbid needle
Possibly.
lament coral
Pride caps at 25%
faint sonnet
@sacred idol "Swagreus" Perfection.