h1-builds-and-combat

[sacred idol]

@karmic coyote Because everything else sucked. I'm on zag spear, it was a choice between that or the crappy lightning dash or special throw on a lower rarity

it's my top pick for 'sell to the fountain' currently, lmao

[karmic coyote]

lightning dash isn't that bad

[rose geode]

glad the aphrodite cast

[karmic coyote]

compared to the rest that is

[last dawn]

Ares dash can be pretty silly when you get all the whirly upgrades

[green sable]

Well another loss...and now hypnos told me i just died 100 times...thanks alot ya gip

i don't know if i can win with rail or not

[karmic coyote]

just pick hestia, it's the easiest one

[last dawn]

😮 but rail is da best

Hestia rail is what I just did the 32 heat on

[green sable]

sigh

[sacred idol]

rank 1 hestia sucks though

Really starts to shine at 3+

[last dawn]

Yeah :< it's kinda rank 5 or buts

[green sable]

well i have it at 1

[last dawn]

*bust

[sacred idol]

nah, 3+ is enough to get you through low heats

[green sable]

i don't have it at 3+

[last dawn]

.> just go shield with athena dash and attack and just spam dash attack

[karmic coyote]

did you pick max damage control for hestia 32 heat

[green sable]

well the fate list says i have to finish it with bow and shield.

err rail

[last dawn]

Err is that the shield one? where they get a temp shield?

[green sable]

not shield

meh

[karmic coyote]

yeah 2 blue shields

[last dawn]

Lol, I opted not to take that at all

It would screw me up too bad

[karmic coyote]

yeah figured so, at least it still doesn't wreck you as bad as hera bow

[sacred idol]

Cheri, are you trying for a high Heat clear or just a win with the Rail on base heat?

[last dawn]

I did:
100% hard labor
50% lasting consequences
80%J fees
60% Summons
3 extreme measure
30% calisthenics
1 middle management
1 underworld customs
40%overtime
400% heightened security
9:00 time per level

[sacred idol]

Oooof

Hard choices

Rare Swift Flourish (21% Special speed) or Epic Greater Evasion (25% dodge)

I'm running a special build, so this is...

Yeah

21% faster on my bread and butter throw, or 25% flat dodge chance

[last dawn]

It's rude to throw buttered bread at people

[green sable]

omg world ender on shield is nice

[sacred idol]

lmao

[green sable]

win the rail on heat

[sacred idol]

I should take the evasion because it's just a crapton of extra defense, I feel like

[green sable]

the fate list said i need to finish things with the rail and the bow

i also got that spear quest to

[sacred idol]

If you're doing higher heat runs you probably need to farm blood with a more invested-in weapon

[green sable]

ive not gone beyond 2 heat on anything

yet

[sacred idol]

Mmm

Yeah, with an unranked Aspect you're not going to have too much success stacking heats, I feel like

In most cases, anyway. Hestia is one of those that really needs the ranks.

[karmic coyote]

@last dawn tight deadline scares me, also why didn't you pump fees up to 100% it doesn't change much at that point anymore i assume

[sacred idol]

It's absolutely not useless without rank 5, but imo, getting it to 100 base damage is the minimum to make it feel worthwhile

at least it's not Chiron bow, which does suck below rank 5

[green sable]

yeh well thats why it was failing imo

and its showing

like a freaking billboard with huge bright lights

[last dawn]

Fair point, but tight dealines is worth 2 heat D: and 9 min is mostly manageable

[green sable]

thats like saying my list of boyfriends is mostly manageable lol

[sinful arrow]

I still don't know how people go below 20 minutes

Even on my most powerful runs I've only done at best just under 25 minutes

[last dawn]

My run ended up being like 23 min. It's 9 min per level, 4th is separate

[sinful arrow]

It's always Elysium that slows me down too

[last dawn]

Yeah, running from the massive army of exploding chariots x.x

[sinful arrow]

I clear Tartarus and Asphodel 5 minutes each time

[sacred idol]

Am I just getting good boons, or is the Hydra easier than it used to be?

[karmic coyote]

i play carelessly when i'm rushing so i never touch tight deadline, personally i would pump fee up and decrease heightened security, don't wanna get one shot by green jars in hades fight

[last dawn]

o-o do you have extreme measure 2 on? because that's REAL hydra x.x

[sinful arrow]

They lowered the phases for Hydra

[sacred idol]

also, I'm just bad (and my stuff is low leveled basically) so my times are pathetically slow

[sinful arrow]

Aside from that, still the same ol Hydra

[sacred idol]

My fastest was, what, 33ish?

two clears out of... 17 runs total

Although this is weirdly the fastest I feel like I've ever gotten out of Asphodel. 7/7 minutes with just yeeting a spear back and forth

[sinful arrow]

Speaking of spears, anyone got tips for Guan Yu? I finally got it too rank 5 so I don't feel afraid to use it now lol

I refused to use it before then so I'm late to the party

[karmic coyote]

the only tip for guan yu is don't get one shot

[sinful arrow]

Yeah, I'm guessing Aphrodite is a must take?

[last dawn]

The only tip for guan yu is the side that's not a handle

😛

[sacred idol]

heh. spear tips

Okay, so. Flurry Jab or Chain Skewer?

[karmic coyote]

yup aphrodite is perfect, weak and highest damage possible

[last dawn]

I'd say try your darnedest to get the faster chargem, and then put something with high damage on attack for higher heals

[sacred idol]

I'm using a Vicious Skewer Zagreus Spear, rank 3, with a Chill boon on my special.

[last dawn]

demeter or aphrodite

[sinful arrow]

Wait, attack boons affect the heals?

I thought it was just 1 heal per spin damage?

[sacred idol]

My attack boon is Aphrodite, but it's for status, not damage

[last dawn]

Oh are they not percentage?

[sacred idol]

Should I double down and stack Chain Skewer with Vicious

[sinful arrow]

Nah, that was Cursed Slash pre patch

[sacred idol]

Or get flurry jab to add to my normal attack DPS

[sinful arrow]

I think that was like 5% per hit? But I know for sure Guan Yu heals per one per spin you land

[karmic coyote]

well there is a demeter boon that increases your healing effect

works well with guan yu, 5hp/hit according to some people

[sinful arrow]

Yeah, feel like that'd be a good pickup. Aphrodite's boon that also increases health ups sounds good with it

A little something to mitigate the 50% health reduction

[karmic coyote]

Dio is good too, but yeah aphrodite and demeter are the superior picks

[sacred idol]

Someone said Chain Skewer ruins Vicious Skewer by putting the spear in front of the last bounce, but that was 8 months ago

Anyone have experience with combining them?

[last dawn]

Spear is my worst weapon :<

So I avoid it >.>

[karmic coyote]

i like bow and spear the most

[sinful arrow]

I just pick whatever has the dark thirst bonus lol

It seems to always wanna pick Shield and Rail for me so those have 7-8 heat completed

Sword and Spear has 5, Bow with 6

[north pendant]

Is spread fire useful with the Hestia aspect?

[last dawn]

I used to do that, until it dawned on me that I rarely ever go into darkness rooms so there's not much point to the darkness bonus >.,>

So spread fire only 1 of the shots gets the base damage bonus I believe

not all 5

[sinful arrow]

Still trying to grind out past a single reroll so def helpful for me at least rn

[north pendant]

Oh...

[sacred idol]

Eh, I'll try it

[north pendant]

Triple bomb for my first upgrade, then

[sacred idol]

Whatever, if it breaks my run I'll do it again.

[sinful arrow]

5 Hestia shots would be nuts

[north pendant]

First boon upgrade: Artemis

This run'll be a good one, fellas

[sacred idol]

Okay, this was pretty good

[last dawn]

Artemis best girl

[sacred idol]

It's a little slow, but a bouncing spear that crits a whole lot is pretty solid

[green sable]

im trying to get her to give me the exit wounds boon so far no luck

[last dawn]

Ah, a nice relaxing heat 8 run without using any death defies 😄

[obtuse ravine]

I legitimately laughed at the double cast festive fog screenshot

[sacred idol]

Is Crystal Beam a good cast?

[obtuse ravine]

Its kinda hard to use effectively but its kinda fun to play with

[sacred idol]

also, double cast festive fog where

[obtuse ravine]

In the ##hades-feedback haha

[sacred idol]

festive pog

thanks RNGesus, legendary aphro boon for the first time I've seen it

[north pendant]

Ooh, big decision time: Deadalus hammer or Artemis boon

[uncut turtle]

always hammer

[sinful arrow]

Hammer always hammer

[flint grove]

hammer

[sinful arrow]

Unless it's the double boon rooms

[north pendant]

Not even with the Artemis/Ares setup I have going on?

[uncut turtle]

even then debateable

[flint grove]

always get hammer

[north pendant]

Hammer it is

[uncut turtle]

chance if you skip hammer you might not see another on the floor, and you only can get 1 on first 2 one on elysium

[flint grove]

you only get a maximum of 2 per run iirc

[uncut turtle]

mhm

[sinful arrow]

I've skipped hammer before for it to show up again later on the floor

[pallid dagger]

current win streak: 8

[flint grove]

1 on tartarus if you're lucky and 1 guaranteed on elysium

[uncut turtle]

1st hammer willl appear sometime on Tart/Aspho, 2nd on Elysium

[flint grove]

[north pendant]

Is explosive fire useful on Hestia aspect

[pallid dagger]

explosive fire is generally pretty useful all-round

[uncut turtle]

Hestia I usually like the 5 spread

[sinful arrow]

Better suited for auto fire but if there's nothing better go for it

[north pendant]

There's delta chamber

And then spread shot

[uncut turtle]

but really anything that ups attack damage or makes your first shot hit multi

[north pendant]

But I don't know if Delta chamber nullifies Hestia's damage buff

[sinful arrow]

The first shot of delta might be the Hestia?

I know you can still manually reload with infinite ammo

[north pendant]

Yes, but you also don't have to reload

[sinful arrow]

Yeah, kinda kills the whole point of Hestia lol

[north pendant]

Explosive fire it is, then

[sacred idol]

Damn, I almost won and died to Hades' second form.

[green sable]

it makes me sad lol

i took Arti the whole time through this last run she didn't give me either boon

what a meh

[sacred idol]

And I had really nice boons too.

Legendary Aphrodite and a lot of other neat stuff

[shell solar]

The duos are insane sometimes. Also doom counting as a second curse is magnificent.

[patent tiger]

Getting better with Guan Yu. Though I still need a first clear on the three other weapons. Artemis' Attack Boon is not that bad for this aspect. https://i.imgur.com/QLGOJj8.jpg

[green sable]

nice

[radiant swallow]

Artemis

Hammer will pop up later

Depends on the weapon and the build too

Oh, that was half an hour ago

But, first hammer will keep showing up until you get through asphodel

And if you don't take the elysium hammer, it's highly likely to show up at one of the styx rooms

[green sable]

the hammer sure is nice.

❤️

[oblique tusk]

do y'all ever use than's trinket?

[snow hedge]

Exclusively

[oblique tusk]

👍

[mild crag]

never

[snow hedge]

Actually I take that back. It's just a bit annoying because uh.

[mild crag]

[snow hedge]

I wanna use the trinket on every boss fight.

But uh. Yeah

[mild crag]

difficult to stack, locks you out of other keepsakes and usually unimpactful

[oblique tusk]

yeah, i find myself never using it

because i'd rather just force gods

[snow hedge]

Wait are we talking Keepsakes or trinkets

[mild crag]

no such thing as trinkets?

[oblique tusk]

basic keepsake my b

not the companion

they're just trinkets

[mild crag]

keepsakes and companion keepsakes are the two distinct categories uwu

[oblique tusk]

so i think of them as such

[snow hedge]

Ah right.

But yeah. I use the Thanatos one exclusively. Just easy to stack and pretty impactful.

I do agree with the point about locking you out of other keepsakes

[oblique tusk]

it would be v nice if you could switch off of it and back on

[snow hedge]

Cause once I actually do get stacks on it, I never feel the need to change.

[green sable]

im liking this crit build with gaun yu spear....its actually nice

im cleaning house

doing regular 400 hit crits

[mild crag]

yeah crit on guan yu is preeeeeeeeeetty good

[green sable]

i think it comes with explody spear already

[hearty swan]

did the requirements to unlock eurydice change in the update? i've done like 20 runs since the update and haven't met her once, (note: i've unlocked her song and met her in half the runs before the update)

[green sable]

i just left her place in my current run

she in the same zone its just rng to find her

[hearty swan]

it just seems so weird, i wasn't exaggerating with the 20 runs, and i met sisyphus and patrocles in about half my runs

[snow hedge]

I... Wait I also have not seen her since the update despite unlocking her.

Think you are onto something.

[oblique tusk]

i have tho

[mild crag]

requirements didnt change i've seen her plenny

[north hedge]

Odd question, but what does Hell Mode do? Or is just for increased difficulty and no extra reward aside self satisfaction?

[karmic coyote]

it just forces you to increase the heat level after every successful run, also it used to limit your choices a lot because of permanent budget cut but now they removed that already i think

also 1 exclusive heat option

[manic ermine]

It is a hardmode, you get a few forced heat options and cant run a weapon on the same heat after you beat a bounty

[pearl plank]

does that mean that the game eventually just becomes impossible, or does it cap out at 32

[crude gull]

Is the hydra nerfed aside from the change to its tracking on projectiles?

[karmic coyote]

they removed 1 phase from hydra

[mild crag]

It might cap out at 25 I think

Since that's where the bounties end

[crude gull]

A whole phase? With the last patch?

[flint grove]

iirc someone made a 40 heat run

[karmic coyote]

yup because hydra was very tedious

[snow hedge]

Anything that lowers a time of a fight tends to be good. I would prefer the fight be more difficult if it meant shortening it.

Especially if I am fighting that boss over and over and over again.

[green sable]

wow

im using gaun yu spear im trying Demeter this time

very nice so far

[frosty pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-yDed8IqoY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TZJbT1sQyA

Some one mentioned 40 heat?

[marble ridge]

I kinda mention him before with the 40 heat yeah...

[full flame]

pretty nuts, guan yu only viable if you get quick spin right away though i'd think

still, his reaction times are nuts on some of those dashes

i can't even come close to that and fail so hard, spear charge up just feels so long and clunky, even with quick spin sometimes

when you have max enemy speed that is

[green sable]

omg

im trying dif god boons with that spear right now

[livid comet]

still Guan Yu?

[green sable]

yes hun omg

this run is crazy

[leaden pine]

it's a super fun spear

[livid comet]

Guan yu is a fun spear indeed

grabbing Athena attack, a status inflicting special

and then a couple hammers and a dash

is pretty well a full build

[green sable]

i wanna try this lol

[full flame]

wait, i just noticed, didn't realize Guan Yu would still heal with pact at -100% healing

[kindred matrix]

wow

i've never had

such a good run before

4 duo boons

and a legenary

[green sable]

nice hun

how goes GY heal?

[livid comet]

@full flame yeah, easy 5 heats

with the spin attack

[chrome viper]

Does my dash strike benefit from Artemis attack boon's critical chance?

[dense locust]

Can the rails special deal back stab damage?

What is the boons wording

[manic ermine]

Mortar and rocket do not backstab

[chrome viper]

'Your Attack is stronger, with +10% chance to deal Critical damage'

[dense locust]

Yeah it works

Benefits

[chrome viper]

aight ty

[dense locust]

Unless I've been mistaken this whole time, but I think all attack benefits affect dash-attack, but not vise versa

@manic ermine Thanks

[mild crag]

@dense locust you have the right of it

[dense locust]

What are good gods for aspect of zeus on the aegis

do ares things affect the shield?

[manic ermine]

Unless you only have a low rank blitz disc you want the good %damage boons from aphro/artemis/demeter, the 30 base damage is very good.

[dense locust]

Ive got a level 4

so 24 base

[manic ermine]

Athena disc can give you a mobile shield zone

[dense locust]

I like that it encourages a completely different style of play, trying to optimize the time the disc is on the enemy while dashing around and throwing in casts and attacks here and there

[livid comet]

so

the ONLY weapons I haven't cleared the game with are sword and gun

which aspects are easiest to clear with 🤔

[chrome viper]

Nemesis for the sword probably

[livid comet]

nemesis kinda... sucks

sword overall kinda sucks

[chrome viper]

depends on the playstile obviously

[livid comet]

mmh

[chrome viper]

once you get the hang of it none of the weapons are bad honestly

[fringe blade]

What do you need for Crystal clarity?

From Athena

is it just anything

[livid comet]

I would assume the demeter cast?

and athena tier 1

[fringe blade]

Cool

[chrome viper]

Artemis*

[fringe blade]

Whoops yeah I meant artemis

[livid comet]

oh yeah then art tier 1

[chrome viper]

I think Hunter Dash is required

[jolly dirge]

For the gun I found using the Hestia aspect to work well. Mostly because it becomes 50% point-and-click adventure.

[muted needle]

Nemesis World Splitter with Aphrodite attack is amazing

[chrome viper]

You need Crystal Beam(Demeter) and Hunter Dash(Artemis) for Crystal Clarity @fringe blade

[livid comet]

is hestia the hit yourself gun?

[muted needle]

My fastest clear by like 8 minutes

[jolly dirge]

Hestia is the fire-and-reload gun

Eris is the "blow yourself up to defeat the enemy"

[livid comet]

gah manual reload

[jolly dirge]

It becomes funny to point and click and a guy dies.

[muted needle]

Like this was a shield clear but my blade time is MUCH faster https://i.imgur.com/GheRUoI.jpg

IIRC that time was set on 10ish heat too

[sacred idol]

Which hammers are good/bad for the shield?

[muted needle]

Nemesis is not to be underlooked @livid comet

You special, and then straight up attack

[livid comet]

@muted needle that's a classic chaos shield run

[muted needle]

Works less well with dash attacking

But World Splitter makes for a really really ridiculous run

[livid comet]

I guess you'd want flurry?

[sacred idol]

I'm just trying to get a Hades clear on 0 heat for the basic shield, Sudden Rush/Minotaur Rush/Pulverizing Blow is my first hammer

Well, Pulverizing is a Fated and the only one that's fated for some reason.

[livid comet]

see PBC's picture above

[muted needle]

With enough crit and chaos modifiers you will regularly hit people for 1k easy

[livid comet]

that's a build you want to go for

[woven hill]

I like armor shredder on shield since it's easy to use

[livid comet]

sudden rush every time

[sacred idol]

Is its drawback a dealbreaker

[woven hill]

Maybe extra bounce

[livid comet]

sudden rush + dread flight

[sacred idol]

also, this isn't chaos shield, extra bounce doesn't sound good

[muted needle]

Pulverizing is new

[sacred idol]

but I've had godsawful luck and only have one boon

a common tier Artemis attack

[woven hill]

Ah was thinking chaos yeah

[sacred idol]

lmao

[muted needle]

I don't remember what it does tbh, I took it once

[sacred idol]

so yeah, should I just take the damn fated and get it out of the way and expect to lose?

[woven hill]

Obviously if you get world smasher that's pretty swag

[sacred idol]

Attack 2x but no knockback.

[livid comet]

I guess?

you can always redo a new run

I just finished up athena

😄

[sacred idol]

yeah, literally 1 boon the entirety of Tartarus isn't a good time

[jolly dirge]

Pulverizing can work out quite well but it does mean you need to be a bit more careful.

[muted needle]

So on basic zag shield the extra bounce is fine if you have something like doom or knockback or something

Oh that's pulverizing

[sacred idol]

eh whatever, I may as well

[muted needle]

Yeah it's really good dps

REALLY GOOD

But yeah you don't have the passive knockback

[sacred idol]

I have absolute buggerall save for crit on attack, so... I guess it rolls twice

I'm praying for a Demeter rare harvest to pop somehow

with no other boons to roll on it'd default to making my attack heroic

[muted needle]

They made rare harvest a little rarer

But at least it doesn't pop quite as early

On the downside it pops too late lol

[jagged canopy]

How much blood to fully upgrade Guan Spear?

[sacred idol]

well I gotta say it's an insane amount of damage. Alecto got A-rekt-o.

As badly as I did, that's a comical amount of damage

[muted needle]

I don't recall Requiem - I think 3/3/3/3/3? or 2 or something

It didn't seem that bad

But I had ~45/50 blood saved up so I wasn't really paying attention

[sacred idol]

one boon is legitimately meme tier bad RNG

[livid comet]

what keepsakes are you using? @sacred idol

[sacred idol]

3/3/3/3/3 is definitely the cost for guan

also, uh, I forgot I had cerb collar on, was going to level the coin purse and forgot to check

[livid comet]

yeah guan is 3 all the way

[sacred idol]

but now I'm on chaos egg because I got an ixion

[livid comet]

eh

chaos is super hit and miss for me

also costs HP to use

so meh

[sacred idol]

I'm so low on everything, I'm basically just leveling my keepsakes. This is a farming run, I don't expect it to not be trash

[jolly dirge]

The Chaos Egg removes HP costs

[woven hill]

I might chaos egg to farm the good fish

[sacred idol]

hence the egg, if you get Ixion items in the shops early it can be a run winner in and of itself

[livid comet]

yeah in place of a keepsake that can net me more gold or a more suitable boon

[unborn trellis]

i have never seen a chaos fishing spot 😔

[sacred idol]

argh I had to give up a Demeter boon to get this chaos pool.

[muted needle]

I always start with chaos, even if I don't get a portal, meh, it's absolutely worth it 75% of the time

[sacred idol]

[woven hill]

Same Suipe

But God all the fish are good there

[sacred idol]

@livid comet mate, I don't have any good ones for gods yet

[muted needle]

40% chance of rare+ like yes please

[jolly dirge]

Chaos can have a fishing spot? I need to go there more.

[livid comet]

why'd you grab chaos keepsake first of all things lol

[unborn trellis]

delicious delicious diamonds

[woven hill]

@jolly dirge The fish either give you diamond, titan blood or ambrosia it's amazing

[sacred idol]

Slippery Defiance? never seen THAT before

[muted needle]

Because Chaos is Bae-os

[sacred idol]

Worth, because this is a miserably bad run and it might make a difference

[livid comet]

are there people who actually go for chaos boons a lot?

[sacred idol]

Yes

[livid comet]

like, actual chaos builds?

[jolly dirge]

Sounds... Chaotic

[woven hill]

I go for 1-2 usually, 3 if I'm feeling lucky

[muted needle]

I take chaos 80% of the time

[manic ermine]

If you're going for casts you want every chaos room

[sacred idol]

I usually get better results out of Chaos than not.

[muted needle]

Even if right before a boss

[unborn trellis]

i always go for chaos boons unless im hunting a boon for prophecies and the god i need is on the door

[muted needle]

It screws me over maybe 5-10% of the time

It's not that bad

[jolly dirge]

I usually go for Chaos when I can unless I'm very low on HP.

[livid comet]

y'all

[woven hill]

If it's a weapon I'm good at then more likely because stuff like every time you attack lose health is hard if other means of attack are a bit tricky for me

[opal bay]

Went with 3 chaos boons one run

Didn't regret

[unborn trellis]

chaos isnt a build

its just a nice thing to have

[woven hill]

Chaos can make a build however

[sacred idol]

^

[woven hill]

Like extra cast for boiling blood or special casts

[jolly dirge]

I was so happy when I had an extra cast and homing blade rifts. Just so much death

[livid comet]

I mean, I guess I grabbed a could chaos boons when I could last run

[sacred idol]

My first win was thanks to game-changing chaos rolls

[muted needle]

chaos is how you get absolutely dumb things like builds with 500 damage a hit poseidon casts or the ridiculous up to 3/4/5 THOUSAND damage hestia crits

[sacred idol]

Incredible boons

[woven hill]

I need homing blade rifts, I don't think I ever got that

[opal bay]

Chaos is nice alternative for reward if you are skilled enough to do the challenge.

[livid comet]

hunting blades?

[woven hill]

Also Chaos is a fren

[jolly dirge]

Yes that one

Ares/Artemis

[livid comet]

neither

because I prefer ares/athena

[sacred idol]

If it doesn't nerf your main attack, it's basically free...

[livid comet]

uhhh

[jolly dirge]

I actually don't see Athena too often. Just my luck I guess.

[livid comet]

not if you're using GY

[woven hill]

Honestly on rail I can take that main attack bruise

Lob city baby

[livid comet]

I find GY's special really nice

makes the weapon for me

[sacred idol]

Well, depends on weapon, I guess.

[woven hill]

Still need to kill the old man but I beat the dynamic duo with all of the weapons

[sacred idol]

Also, by main attack, I mean the primary thing you're relying on

[livid comet]

GY is the weapon

[woven hill]

So I can't pact for resources

Ah gotcha

[sacred idol]

As in if the chaos boon doesn't eat your Special on a Zag spear or something, you're golden.

[livid comet]

hm.

[sacred idol]

Or your cast on Hera bow.

[dense locust]

The shield of Chaos with Zeus aspect and sea storm is fun

[livid comet]

first full run I finished was base shield with athena/ares

[woven hill]

Yeah like I think easiest debuff is time before cast pickup because I hardly do cast builds

[livid comet]

courtesy of forge10 on this server

[sacred idol]

hestia rail>base bow for me

[woven hill]

I need to figure out the Zeus aspect, I love the speed on the normal throws on the other aspects

[livid comet]

many things are better than base bow

[opal bay]

I underrated casts builds

Before

[livid comet]

duuuude

[opal bay]

But after trying once it kind of was nice.

[livid comet]

demeter boon plus aphrodite cast was wrecking HOUSE

[opal bay]

I know!

[livid comet]

the one that makes you AoE chill enemies

the fact that it's automatically two debuffs procs privileged status

and you can get so much burst

👌

[opal bay]

But like I feel like doing cast build without a boon that can up your cast number beyond 3 can tricky.

[sacred idol]

@livid comet I meant my first clears, lmao

[opal bay]

Or a quicker return

[sacred idol]

My first was hestia rail, then basic bow

[livid comet]

elysium shades just shattered

aaah I see

[woven hill]

Which cast boons that remove cast penetration aren't worth losing boiling blood for?

[livid comet]

My first bow clear was with chiron

[sacred idol]

I just feel like casting is a bit clunky.

[livid comet]

it is if you don't put a boon on it

imo

but it's also super useful for boiling blood

so I use the base cast to "mark" enemies

[sacred idol]

Yeah, so far I only like it for boiling blood

[opal bay]

Though not casting at enemies time to time even in non cast based build is a sin. Waste of bonus damage tbh.

[livid comet]

yeah, like I said, demeter+any penetrating status inflicting cast is super great

yeah

Snow Burst + Crush Shot

o.o

melee burst

[turbid needle]

Guys IO can chose to keep hermes talking or mute

What should I do? Or is it really just that?

[livid comet]

keep talking?

I got epic boons for that but that might just be me

[woven hill]

It's if you skip his dialogue

He can just get into the boon distribution sooner

It doesn't affect anything but that

[turbid needle]

Ah thanks

[livid comet]

aw

it was all in my head 😄

[woven hill]

God of speed and thieves is very considerate

[livid comet]

also til Hades is affected by winter harvest!

[woven hill]

Yeah that's wild

[livid comet]

it's how I barely avoided losing the run

[woven hill]

Hoping to nab that and to get the old man down to that health

[livid comet]

5hp with guan yu

[woven hill]

I saw someone mention in feedback that they killed Asterius twice with it

Because he leaves around that health mark apparently

[livid comet]

hahahah

I thought it was much higher than 10%

[woven hill]

Early access is best access

Me too!

[livid comet]

that's hilarious

although I only grabbed it in Styx so I didn't get to try it on any other boss

[woven hill]

Mhm

[livid comet]

also cold fusion is scary good

[woven hill]

God Demeter wanted to offer me that one boon that resets rarities in Styx
Like naw fam

What does Cold Fusion do?

[livid comet]

Jolted doesn't expire on enemy attacks

and lasts 10s

[woven hill]

Hehehe

I really like ice wine

Worked beautifully with adamant rail

[sacred idol]

What's Winter Harvest?

[woven hill]

Spammed lobs and ice wines

[jolly dirge]

Chilled enemies die and explode at 10%

[livid comet]

it resets the rarity of 3 boons

that's snow burst @jolly dirge

[sacred idol]

LMAO

amazing

[jolly dirge]

I thought snow burst was the cast?

[woven hill]

Resets the rarity of 2-3 random boons but

[jolly dirge]

The one that explodes around you?

[woven hill]

Every 3 encounters the rarity goes up by one

[sacred idol]

What tier of boon is Harvest

[livid comet]

winter harvest resets the rarity of 3 boons to normal, and then every 3 encounters the rarity increases

[sacred idol]

I need to get Demeter's trinket

[livid comet]

really good to have early

[woven hill]

So if you grt it early enough you could have some heroics

[sacred idol]

that's Rare Harvest afaik?

[livid comet]

really sucky to pick up at styx LMAO

[woven hill]

Get it late and it's worthless

VERY SUCKY

LOL

[rancid shore]

it's called rare crop

[livid comet]

OH no you were right! @jolly dirge

[sacred idol]

Is each path in Styx one encounter?

Or is it per room?

[woven hill]

Better be per room

[jolly dirge]

Oh good I was worried I was going crazy for a moment

[sacred idol]

If each room counted, it would be easily worthwhile, imo

[livid comet]

yeah winter harvest is the one that auto-kills chilled enemies at 10% hp

[sacred idol]

take demeter first, do every other path, heroics?

[rancid shore]

each room is currently one encounter (except maybe for butterfly/plume?)

[sacred idol]

If it's per corridor, then it's horrible

[livid comet]

it's per fight room

[sacred idol]

But if it's per room, that legit sounds like free heroics to me unless you're time trialing.

Why not take it. Lul.

Also, Winter Harvest is what, legendary?

[livid comet]

not if you're at styx lol

yes

[sacred idol]

I feel like I might need the Demeter trinket asap

[woven hill]

You get the boons at the end of the corridor but yeah if you haven't cleared them all and are ready for a challenge then yeah it can be handy

[sacred idol]

She's my favorite god now

[livid comet]

because styx is at the end of the run

[sacred idol]

But yeah, no, I mean.

Remember how there are FIVE paths...

If you get Demeter as your first one, Rare Crop has way more than enough rooms to hit Heroics.

That means just doing the spare corridors. Easy profit.

[woven hill]

Unless Dagger is referring to post feeding Cerb you're right

[livid comet]

dude, demeter on greatest reflex would be

[sacred idol]

Even better if you get a lucky Charon pull, as that just means you can take... what was it

If taken before the 4th zone, Temple of Styx, each small room before the reward counts as one encounter.

Yeah

Easy heroic boon/s

[livid comet]

sure if you pick demeter first I guess, but it could also hamper your ability to actually get through the rooms in the first place

[sacred idol]

the only time it screws you is if you take Demeter last or are REALLY short on time in Styx

eeeh

[livid comet]

(I really like having 4 dashes)

[woven hill]

Especially with dash boons

[sacred idol]

I guess if it kills your dash boon, yeah

but if I had lots of crap boons I'd take the gamble myself

[livid comet]

I just tend to buy the hermes boon up top if I haven't got greatest reflex

[sacred idol]

may as well take the shot of making them OP

[woven hill]

What do you all choose from Eurydice?

[livid comet]

eurydice is great for that

[sacred idol]

I usually gamble on +rarity, but

[manic ermine]

99% poms

[woven hill]

I find myself more often than not go for 2 boon increase in rarity

[livid comet]

eurydice can be reset btw.

[woven hill]

That I own

[manic ermine]

a pom level beats out rarity on most things and 4 rolls over 2.

[sacred idol]

oh, you can savescum her? lmao

[livid comet]

so you pick up whatever boost you want

[woven hill]

Ooo

[livid comet]

and if it doesn't boost the right one, just quit out and try again

really worthwhile if you've picked up a normal dash

and you want more dashes

some people may take issue with that but eh

@manic ermine right, but no number of poms will give you 2 more dashes

[sacred idol]

Ugh, hammer vs duo gods :c

[livid comet]

hammer

o wait

[sacred idol]

I took the hammer in the end, but it was Ares/Aphrodite duo

[livid comet]

you said you were low on boons?

[turbid needle]

I think people sleep on Zeus, I did 3 runs in a row beating Hades using Zeus as primary god, hoping I get his call

[livid comet]

aaaaa

[sacred idol]

oops

[livid comet]

zeus has some cool boons

[sacred idol]

I shall lose this run with persistence.

[livid comet]

but not the primary ones (tier 1)

[sterile lark]

I tried zeus run yesterday it was great for clearing rooms but for bosses I had trouble, how did you tackle that issue ?

[turbid needle]

Oh lol I felt like Zeus DESTROYS bosses

[livid comet]

:git gud:

[sterile lark]

yeah ? damn I must have done something wrong then x)

[manic ermine]

Zeus easily has the most powerful call for bosses

[turbid needle]

His Call deals so much damage for a long time, combined with his legendary upgrade (lightning strikes twice) and chance to strike twice

[livid comet]

zeus call is a ton of damage

[sterile lark]

ah I didn't have the call, I had poseidons one and neither did have the legendary

[livid comet]

but you have to spend a decent amount of time being meh in damage to get there

[turbid needle]

Just now I finished with The huntress call and that one feels like the weakest? 😛

[livid comet]

poseidon's call is the worst call imo

[sacred idol]

On the other hand, I got memed on anyway, I have a +enemy count chaos curse and that would have been hellish during Trial

[turbid needle]

But still the Zeus jolted and double electric effect on special feel very nice

[sterile lark]

but I had so much fun with railgun special *5 + rocket upgrade + zeus special it was popping lightning everywhere

[turbid needle]

haha yeah

[livid comet]

huh.

aight

[sacred idol]

Charged Shot, Charged Throw, and Explosive Return are my shield hammers.

[livid comet]

night guys

oof

[sacred idol]

Did I get screwed, because all these sound... vaguely bad

[livid comet]

explosive return is great

[sacred idol]

oh, huh, okay

[livid comet]

you want fast bull rush tho

[sacred idol]

well, screw it

I'm just gonna fill out the fates for this, no expectation of winning with this joke run

[livid comet]

well at least you're checking off your prophecies

👍

[sacred idol]

should I take a worse one just to knock it off

rofl

[livid comet]

why not

[sacred idol]

charged shot, may or may not be awful

literally just makes it a bow. rofl

hey, this isn't bad

[livid comet]

go for it

[dense locust]

Does pulverizing blow work with dash attack? It doesnt seem like it does

[lament coral]

that the extra damage to bosses from knockback boons?

Poseidon dash has knockback, so it should work

[dense locust]

pulverzing blow is you hit twice

but no knock bach

back

with the shield

I assume it should but I'm at a crossroads with boons and want to make sure

[manic ermine]

It does not modify the dash attack

[dense locust]

it does give you two attacks on dash

just tried it while actually paying attention

two attacks when you dash-attack that is

Wait no

I think I hit a jar

as well as the enemy

yeah you're right

[sacred idol]

TIL: Infernal Troves in Styx suck

I got like six snakestones.

In a room with zero cover.

[stray frigate]

swarm of rats can be more trouble

[sacred idol]

Eurydice or hammer?

eh, I guess Eurydice...

[stray frigate]

Euro

u will get hammers later anyway

[sacred idol]

World Splitter, Flurry Slash, Piercing Wave?

Demeter attack

And aphro special...

Bleh. Piercing Wave doesn't proc status.

[stray frigate]

and it has no scales

[karmic ginkgo]

I really wish that there were more ways to affect festive fog

Like have it be a dash atttack or something

[stray frigate]

@karmic ginkgo Hera

[karmic ginkgo]

Hera??

[stray frigate]

oh

nvm sorry

[sacred idol]

I'm an idiot and canceled a run in the room before Hades.

RIP my farming

I had so much currency from that failed run and goofed it all

[river garden]

Just had an absolutely disgusting run

Probably killed final boss in less than a minute

[stray frigate]

just saw Charp has hades spear on his back

[atomic mist]

I had Athena dash on a run just down and I'm like 99% sure I could deflect the skulls back at ||Hades ||and it did like 13 damage. So now I'm wondering if it's a just frame and you have to be really precise with it

[stray frigate]

Dusa just hit me

like 42 hp

or something

but we won anyway http://prntscr.com/qv1bxl

[gaunt quarry]

Just passed Elysium. Artemis Call (max charged) nearly one-shot Theseus through the shield.

[stray frigate]

yup it has great burst

esp with Eris buff

[teal nebula]

Hello , is pom of power a must to go for ?

Or should i get more boons if i have the choice

[stray frigate]

well it depends on ur style

when i play with some 1 skill

i try to have less boon and more poms

[oblique tusk]

it also depends on the boons tbh

[atomic mist]

It's situational. Go for what you need imo

[stray frigate]

like Special for Chiron

or cast for Hera

[oblique tusk]

like, cast modifiers scale very well with poms for a while

[atomic mist]

Yeah if you're doing a cast build, then buffing that cast with poms is a very good idea

[stray frigate]

but there is no much sense to upgrade skill rly high

[teal nebula]

I Guess i should go on the wiki and see thé damage

[oblique tusk]

but most % boons don't scale very well

and in those cases you're better off hunting for chaos boons

[stray frigate]

cus later lvl scale % is rly low

[teal nebula]

For example, Artémis boom who shot an arrow with every attack ?

[stray frigate]

Support fire?

in first lvls it gives you 5-3 damage

[oblique tusk]

tbh support fire is best on the rail

[stray frigate]

but later it become only 1

[oblique tusk]

because of how much you click lmb

[atomic mist]

I think that one doesn't scale very well

[stray frigate]

@oblique tusk not Hestia though

[turbid needle]

Support Fire was kinda gutted with the Infinity chamber removal.

[oblique tusk]

delta chamber's still servicable tho

[stray frigate]

@turbid needle Supp fire still cool

[oblique tusk]

it's definitely no infinity chamber

[teal nebula]

Yes support fire

[oblique tusk]

but it's not bad

[teal nebula]

What IS delta chamber ?

[oblique tusk]

infinite ammo, 3-round bursts

nerfed infinity chamber

[teal nebula]

Ok the hammer modification

[stray frigate]

it used to be tratatatatatatata now its tratata-tratata-tratata

[oblique tusk]

since the fire-rate ends up slower, and you can't run it with the shotgun because they're both fire-mode mods

[turbid needle]

I actually hate Delta Chamber.

[teal nebula]

I took Hazard bomb for the first Time Yesterday and died to thé effect

[turbid needle]

I play MKB so I don't get always accurate shots, so the loss of DPS is pretty unforgiveable.

It's actually really frustrating because MKB is definitely the best way to play the Rail thanks to Special accuracy, and now its best Attack hammer is gone.

[oblique tusk]

MKB?

[turbid needle]

Mouse and keyboard.

[oblique tusk]

oh right

i exclusively play mkb lol

[turbid needle]

I keep hoping for Flurry Fire on Zeus, but it just won't spawn together.

Same, I tried controller once.

[oblique tusk]

i didn't

i didn't even know people played hades on controllers :p

[stray frigate]

there are lot

and dev adviced it too iirc

[hollow sorrel]

I only play this game with a PS4 controller

[kind cloud]

wow, charged special on hammer completely ruins the chiron aspect of the bow...like makes it horrifically bad. I had a build where I had 532 health and that hammer aspect completely fooked me. my build was built around special and great health (no dash, no cast) and i lost to hades because of how bad that 2nd hammer f'd me.

i also noticed there's some kind of delay with the special after firing (when using the hammer charged special). when i switched to cast to test it, it felt like input lag. but the more times i did it, the more i realized there is some kind of delay associated with special. goodness, that charged special is fine normally but ruining the chiron aspect of the bow is just too much.

[versed ibex]

Lol yeah, and that's after they patched the default shoot distance

[turbid needle]

Finnaly got my shield of chaos maxed out. Wish I knew how good it was earlier

4 flawless runs in a row!

[versed ibex]

I had saved mid run when the winter patch dropped, grabbed the shiny new charged special... whomp whomp. Run dead.

[turbid needle]

I feel like the broken spearpoint is working out great vs Hades to not get one shot btw!

[hardy crow]

I almost always use Broken Spearpoint in Temple of Styx

It's super high value because it stops poison too

You'll take a bit of damage from the application

But be immune for 1.5s which is more than enough to get to a cure before it starts hurting

[turbid needle]

yes that too!

Oh btw! Should I pickup keys after I completely unlocked th emirror ?

[stray frigate]

and all 5 weapons?

[turbid needle]

Like, darkness gives +5 max life every time

[stray frigate]

sometimes broker can give u blood for 15 keys

[turbid needle]

How are keys and weapons related?

ah

[stray frigate]

u unlock weapon with key...

[turbid needle]

oh lol like that

Yeah I did that first in the game

sorry forgot about that

[stray frigate]

and later after upgrade Contractor key as room reward will give u 1 reroll

[turbid needle]

Yep I got that too

But I honestly never use those

Very rarely

[stray frigate]

it can be useful when u search for some proper god

or item

[turbid needle]

True, I can see it's use. But I am kind of planning to learn how to play max heat while climbing the ladder of heat. Trying to make me less dependant on certain builds and more on a viable gameplan

[stray frigate]

when i lvld my heat with shield i always stick to 1-2 build with Ares or Dio special

[turbid needle]

Dio?

The drunken god?

[stray frigate]

he is not drunken

he is god of wine

[turbid needle]

He sounds pretty drunk to me

But I'm glad we are talking about the same jolly fellow

[stray frigate]

anf now i play special GY only with Artemida special

[turbid needle]

I see, I still gotta start playing with the GY

[stray frigate]

lol

3 special for Theseus in phase 2 and he gone

[dense locust]

You think that ultimately the final boss will some farmer that eats a ton of bananas?

[stray frigate]

the final boss is Hades no

[turbid needle]

They could alter the story and make a boss beyond that

[stray frigate]

afaik Hades should be last

[turbid needle]

We're talking theories and jokes, dude.

Not seriously debating whether or not Hades is currently the final boss.

[stray frigate]

no supersecrethidingunknownsudden boss like Bouldy who is was EVIL all this time

[turbid needle]

No but your mother can be met and sent you back to your father.

[stray frigate]

"Say hi to Cerberus!"

[turbid needle]

Well, cereberus might be a cool pre hades bossfight too!

[stray frigate]

gets instastabbed

[turbid needle]

Do not fight the dog.

[stray frigate]

oh i remeber when i met Cerberus 1st time in Styx

and Zag is like "To arms"

[jolly dirge]

Do not fight the best boy.

[stray frigate]

i couldnt believe he is actually gonna kill him

and i thought Shield gameplay is stupid http://prntscr.com/qv2yab

[turbid needle]

5th victory in a row ^^ shield op 😛

[stray frigate]

11 now

140 runs

84 win

Meg said last time it's 50th time i beat her

there will be more

[turbid needle]

hehe

[pallid dagger]

this has to be a record for fastest win against theseus and asterius

had "Unhealthy Fixation" and Swift Strike + Heartbreak Strike
Asterius destroyed Theseus' chariot in under 10 seconds

[stray frigate]

first time Theseus regret he drag away Asterius from erebus

[turbid needle]

Pleeease, you don't think they've killed each other at least a dozen times in the hundreds of years they've been dead?

[jolly dirge]

What else are they going to do in Elysium?

[pallid dagger]

well....

[bold bear]

I mean

They are greek

[jolly dirge]

Well yes

But that's just assumed.

[turbid needle]

For once, Underworld Customs worked out almost perfectly to my favor.

[pallid dagger]

finally done with the diamond collecting

bought every single thing i could need a diamond for

[oblique tusk]

how did underworld customs work out well?

[turbid needle]

Sold Mistral Dash after I had Cold Fusion to give me Thunder Dash.

Though now that I look at it I should have gone for this Demeter miniboss before the Dio, could've had an Ice Wine chance and heals right before Hades.

Oops.

[oblique tusk]

ah, nice

[turbid needle]

Optimization is hard.

[oblique tusk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

got it p well optimized anyway

[mild crag]

Did an oopsie

[frank pecan]

How should I be picking my boons?

[turbid needle]

Pick what sounds fun/cool/strong, experiment, rinse, repeat.

[frank pecan]

Grab every god under the sun, or focus on going deep on the first couple I encounter?

[turbid needle]

Gotta try everything.

[frank pecan]

With odd strong isolated pickups like support fire artemis

I'm trying to beat 5+ heat more consistently

Instead of only on my insane synergy runs where variance is on my side

[opal bay]

you can do duo focus or pick everything or even focus mostly on one, overall it all can workout quite well honestly.

[frank pecan]

On what basis do you make the decision then? Just the strongest you can make with what you have?

Like Zeus attack speed because he's on-hit

[stray frigate]

low heat can be beaten almost with any build

though more u play more u understand

which boon suits well for your aspect

[frank pecan]

It feels a little like I always want divine dash and then just as much Artemis crit as possible with some max health

[stray frigate]

well yes athena dash is op

[opal bay]

I to be honest never base my pick and only real depend on the feel of combos I am going for.

[frank pecan]

Then facetank the bosses long enough to win the DPS race

[turbid needle]

Facetanking falls off pretty quickly with Heat.

[bold bear]

Did they unnerf cursed blade?

[turbid needle]

Buffed it, at least.

[opal bay]

yeah facetank becomes quite unviable, even more so after the broken spear change, which pretty much made facetank not a good route to go for.

[frank pecan]

So what's the new optimal strategy that I should aim my runs towards?

Aspect of Hera bow with artemis cast?

[stray frigate]

Hera is good with Dio and Aphro too

[dapper bridge]

Probably one of my favourite builds is Hera with Artemis cast

I just think its so fun

[stray frigate]

but you can try any cast

any build

[dapper bridge]

OH yeah for sure

[stray frigate]

any weapon

[dapper bridge]

experimentation is half of the fun

[stray frigate]

and win

or not win

but if u have fun

who cares

[dapper bridge]

Words to live by

[oblique tusk]

yo who's the god with the instant health boon?

the not-demeter one

the one that's objectively worse than demeter's

[turbid needle]

Poseidon.

[oblique tusk]

nah, it's solo hp

poseidon's at least gives gold

[dapper bridge]

Like gain max hp? or health ups restore more hp?

[oblique tusk]

nope, just a straight up heal

[turbid needle]

Dionysus.

[oblique tusk]

right!

[turbid needle]

Ooohh.

No, Dionysus is a max HP up.

[dapper bridge]

Dio has a restore health on nectar pickup

[oblique tusk]

wait, isn't it dionysus too?

[bold bear]

Aphro has a percentile more HP

[oblique tusk]

no, dio's nectar one is +max hp

[stray frigate]

he has healing after battle till some limit

[dapper bridge]

oh is it?

i didnt know

[bold bear]

But I think hers works on max HP, while demeter's is just for heals?

[turbid needle]

Only ones I can think of that are heals are Poseidon and Demeter.

[dapper bridge]

yeah idk if there is another one

[stray frigate]

Aphro is for better scaling HP

[dapper bridge]

thats all i can think of

[stray frigate]

Demeter is for better healling

[oblique tusk]

there is one

that i remember specifically because it just restores hp

and i'm like

[dapper bridge]

I'll see if I can find it on the wiki

[oblique tusk]

"well, this is ass now that demeter's got a better version"

yeah, i'm looking rn too

[stray frigate]

Poseidon can give u healing too

[oblique tusk]

no wait

it is the aphro one

i was forgetting which part i was miffed about

[dapper bridge]

aphro has health ups and max helth are worth more

Life Affirmation

[oblique tusk]

yh

i didn't realize it also boosted hp up benefits

[bold salmon]

What happens when you put Aphro, Demeter, Dio, or Ares on Hera bow?

[dapper bridge]

Yeah demeter is just health ups, which also gives you instant heal

It shotguns them out the back of the arrow

[oblique tusk]

but demeter's +hp value is great with cursed blade or cursed strike

[dapper bridge]

Demeter just places them where they get hit

[oblique tusk]

whichever it's called

[stray frigate]

@bold salmon Ares works pretty bad imo

[dapper bridge]

yeah it hits them just 3 times and then moves away from the enemy

It's... not great

I play Hera bow alot and i never take that cast

[stray frigate]

@bold salmon aphro and Dio are great, one of the best

[dapper bridge]

Aphro and Dio are fantastic tho

yeah what he said

It's like Aphro Dio and Artemis are the premium casts for Hera bow

[bold salmon]

Hm, alright then. I was watching a vid about putting pos cast on it and got me wondering about it.

[dapper bridge]

Pos cast is alright

[oblique tusk]

is there any build that actually wants zeus cast, speaking of?

[dapper bridge]

But the other oens are better iimo

[oblique tusk]

because i can't think of one

[stray frigate]

big problem with ares - he releasing too late

[bold salmon]

I cant think of a build you want zeus but idk that id say its bad either ime

[dapper bridge]

yeah zeus is just at least decent all the time

But idk if there are any zeus-focused weapon builds out there

He's pretty good with the Rail weapon though

[stray frigate]

@dapper bridge Chiron

[dapper bridge]

oh damn I totally forgot about that

[oblique tusk]

i mean

[dapper bridge]

does it apply the lightning on each hit of the special?

[oblique tusk]

his attack is good with the rail

[dapper bridge]

like it'll make 7 lightnings?

yeah thats what i meant

its good as like a one-of

[oblique tusk]

but zeus cast kinda dong

because there's always a better one

for every build

[kind cloud]

even though supergiant is trying to nerf the heck out of ares, his vicious cycle legendary is still so freaking awesome. if they take that away, i'll probably stop playing this game.

[dapper bridge]

Vicious cycle is so much fun

[bold salmon]

Oh yea

[dapper bridge]

100% agree

[frank pecan]

Is that the one that scales up the circular saw blade damage the longer they stand in it?

[kind cloud]

vicious cycle literally melts the heck out of bosses, it's even more potent when combined with a leveled up artemis crit

[dapper bridge]

yes it is

If you get max out Ares wrath its just so much fun

[oblique tusk]

god yeah it's great

[dapper bridge]

Probably one of my favourite legendary boons

[oblique tusk]

poseidon's legendary is fun

[dapper bridge]

which one is that again?

I ahvent seen it in a long time

[oblique tusk]

double knock-backs

[jolly dirge]

The double shove one?

[oblique tusk]

ye

[dapper bridge]

oooh yes thats right

I think ive seen it once and I did not have a lot of shoves so i didnt take it

[stray frigate]

lol

[dapper bridge]

feels bad man

[stray frigate]

wanna see something funny?

[dapper bridge]

always!

[oblique tusk]

yeah, it requires one of the secondary shove enhancements

breaking wave, razor shoals, typhoon's fury

[stray frigate]

that is Zag spear aspect http://prntscr.com/qv4k8g

with almost english desciption

BUT

[turbid needle]

That's out of date, I think.

[dapper bridge]

Ataka

[oblique tusk]

bonus cyka

[stray frigate]

when i point on upgrade button

http://prntscr.com/qv4kwy

[oblique tusk]

bonus сука блять damage

[stray frigate]

hoho boy IT CHANGING FORM

[dapper bridge]

wooooah

[opal bay]

oh damn I forgot to change up forced overtime

[dapper bridge]

the description evolves

[stray frigate]

you are not mere weapon are you?

[opal bay]

so like for me it was maxed at 80%

[stray frigate]

[opal bay]

and since the patch for max to be 40% I severly underjudged the change.

[oblique tusk]

what do y'all like to run with chiron aspect, btw?

[turbid needle]

Artemis.

[opal bay]

^

[tropic cargo]

it's really flexible though

[oblique tusk]

best girl

[dapper bridge]

Artemis just has some really good boons tbh

[oblique tusk]

she do

[stray frigate]

Chiron aspect is best with Aphro attack and dio special

[dapper bridge]

Like im never upset to see artemis in my runs

[stray frigate]

Artemis is trash

[oblique tusk]

i'm sorry you have such awful taste

[dapper bridge]

you dont like critting on your special?

[untold widget]

its okay to be wrong gznm but can you do it somewhere else :P

[dapper bridge]

to be fair dio special on chiron is still nice

[stray frigate]

crit with low damage

is useless

[opal bay]

mean Zeus and Dio are good too on chiron apsect

[turbid needle]

I mean, I regularly get 700+ on my Chiron Volleys.

[dapper bridge]

Yeah i like the big numbers on my screen

makes me feel like im winnning

[turbid needle]

That's not even with Charged Volley.

[tropic cargo]

imo everything works with chiron. just did a chrion run with athena

[hardy crow]

For big numbers I prefer Aspect of Zagreus of Aspect of Hera tbh

[stray frigate]

@tropic cargo what heat