h1-builds-and-combat

[leaden pine]

Neat!

Vases have been the bane of my existence

Lost two runs to that

In a row*

[last dawn]

First time I was like "WTF did something just hit me for 150 damage!?)

[lament coral]

I feel like they're the worst with the sword

cause you wanna get to Hades but you also want to dash away

[leaden pine]

I feel like they changed it with the Demeter update

[lament coral]

the AOE is bigger

[leaden pine]

Feels like they used to be a lot smaller

Yeah

[lament coral]

and Hades doesn't create a wave to break em after summoning

at least they removed the damage from when a vase was summoned under you

[last dawn]

Yeah so far the pots have been the bane of my runs as well as those STOOPID SATYRS D:

[lament coral]

the trick to satyrs

is to kill em before they poison you

[last dawn]

x.x I try

OH mah gawd do I try

I try all the time

[lament coral]

aaaaah

[leaden pine]

The regular satyrs are fine

It’s the elites that wreck you

[lament coral]

be aware of the mandragora baths present in the room

[leaden pine]

And the big rats

I feel like they’re worse

[lament coral]

and avoid buttons

[last dawn]

Lol first time I ran into the satyr boss it just machine gunned me down and was like "wtf just happened"

[lament coral]

those cleavers, big pain

[last dawn]

Funny thing is, the button is safe. But if you move after pressing the button, uh oh

[lament coral]

I actually have more problems dealing with the big rat than the other mini bosses

there's poison eeeeeeverywhere

and he lunges at you from a mile away

snake is just a time waster, and the bomb urn is whatever

urn's room layout is very favorable to the player

same with snake's

[broken cipher]

@grand idol On your suggestion in feedback: we shall no longer fear enemy lasers for Zag hath become the Snakestone. XD

[grand idol]

GOOD.

[lament coral]

I still don't like it

even with 20% Overtime enemies just walk past it

[full flame]

god the hera bow is so bad

[lament coral]

and it can't catch em

lemme guess, you're not using Dio cast and loading all casts into one arrow?

[grand idol]

Demeter's cast seems to only benefit other gods right now, specifically poseidon.

[lament coral]

also, you have blue shields on enemies

[full flame]

oh i've tried all casts

no blue shields

[lament coral]

I tried Poseidon duo and it was crap

the projectile is slow, it pushes enemies out of the extra waves' range

[full flame]

bow in general is rather crappy, but Hera just doesn't make sense, just seems like extra clunky effort for nothing

[lament coral]

it's so bad that after selling the duo I was doing more damage with the default Poseidon cast

[full flame]

would rather do cast builds with any other weapon

[grand idol]

Poseidon duo is fun with cast speed though

[lament coral]

cast, dash after, smack, gone

how? Does it increase the projectiles' speed, too?

[full flame]

no cast speed only affects your release time

[grand idol]

The hermes cast speed enhancement increases the speed of projectile

[full flame]

wat?

[lament coral]

then I don't see how it's good, unless you just wanna see waves move across the floor

[grand idol]

Ya beb

[lament coral]

while not hitting anyone

[full flame]

that might make that duo usable then, guess other casts are fast enough that i never noticed an increase in projectile speed with them

[broken cipher]

It's great for clearing out Flamewheels.

And I despise Flamewheels.

They're the only thing I'm willing to even touch a cast for.

I'll take the floating Gorgon heads trapped over lava over Flamewheels any day.

[full flame]

flamewheels are rather poor design in general

they're more like a trap than an enemy

and a full room of them just doesn't feel engaging at all

[lament coral]

I've been wanting so suggest a lil something regarding em for some time now

that they should only explode if they collide with an obstacle or while charging at you

so if you go ham and just bash em, they don't explode

that'd make sword's life much easier

[dense star]

Man, y'all are reminding me I need to find blizzard shot, not looking forward to that

[fallow niche]

Its not good

[lament coral]

I'm still yet to find Zeus/ Demeter boon

and I need to take Poseidon's stupid boss knockback boon

[fallow niche]

You need Jolted and some demeter attack/special boon iirc to get their duo

[lament coral]

yeah, I know

went through a couple of runs with multiple of their boons and came empty

[inner sparrow]

RNG is fun

[dense star]

That's been my story going for Lightning Phalanx & Divine Protection

[green sable]

RNG really hates me in these last few runs lol

[stray frigate]

how can i force myself play till the end

[inner sparrow]

Can't find half of the boons I'm looking for, for completion half of the time. Got Demeter's full set before most others...

[lament coral]

oh man, I got Divine Protection after 80 hours

[dense star]

Fail to find t2 prereq for Divine Protection for several runs, finally find it and get 0 athena boons on Styx

[inner sparrow]

Still need a few Zeus boons and I spammed Zeus boons when I first started playing

[lament coral]

save those Fated Authority tokens

[green sable]

i still haven't gotten any companions yet or unlocked any secret stash.

[grand idol]

Have you tried turning them off and on again, Cheri?

[green sable]

i didn't know we could do that

[stray frigate]

@green sable it's the same lol

[lament coral]

har har

[green sable]

?

ha ha

nvm

[lament coral]

yeah, it's kind of kept on the down low

wish it was telegraphed better, companions make your life so much easier

well, at least one of em does

[grand idol]

I rarely use'em

[fallow niche]

The companions are whats in the 'secret stash' part of the trinket collection

[grand idol]

I either forget, or it's just easier and more reliable to kill things myself.

[lament coral]

that's because you're on low heat

[green sable]

omg really?

[grand idol]

That's because I'ma GOD GAMER

[green sable]

well i am only 2 heat

max

[fallow niche]

I use companions all the time, they're incredibly powerful.

[green sable]

thats all i can get

atm

[lament coral]

believe you me, you won't forget to use em once you turn things up a notch

[fallow niche]

Get bouldy if you find yourself never using them

He gives goodies

[grand idol]

Honestly, the game isn't fun on higher heat.

[fallow niche]

That should condition you to use them more

[green sable]

i only recently got his buff

[grand idol]

It's like playing the ultra hard challenge on issac.

[fallow niche]

Also wrong @grand idol

[lament coral]

I wanna agree and disagree with that statement

[grand idol]

Isaac*. It takes away what's fun about the game.

[fallow niche]

Personal opinions are a thing

[stray frigate]

every player has his own understanding of "fun"

[grand idol]

But there is something to be said about having fun by being masochistic.

[lament coral]

high heat is fantastic when you get what you need to actually make it through

[fallow niche]

If you don't enjoy it then don't go up there, that's the best part about the pact

Its your choice

[lament coral]

awful when you don't

[fallow niche]

Some people appreciate a challenge

[lament coral]

you just fall apart

[fallow niche]

And this game ain't really challenging when you get the ropes on 0 heat

[inner sparrow]

High heat is why I even play the game

[green sable]

um look im still learning here sorry for my low heat so far

[inner sparrow]

And I personally loved challenges on Isaac

[fallow niche]

Give me my 100% Forced Overtime SG!

[lament coral]

play however you want, man

[inner sparrow]

Was trying for 1001%+

[grand idol]

Nah nah, Cheri, it's all good.

[lament coral]

god mode? -1 heat? Your game, play it your way

[fallow niche]

@green sable Don't be sorry, you're trying to have fun and that's whats important

[inner sparrow]

^

[naive tusk]

Aww

[inner sparrow]

The game is alterable for a reason

[green sable]

im a girl

just fyi

[inner sparrow]

Your choice

[fallow niche]

The fact that Hades allows a large breadth of different playstyles is why its so good

What does being a girl have to do with the game o_o

[novel python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672211598336589824/unknown.png alright, I already have the attack heroic + exposed, should I take the dash too or go for the duo? Or even Riposte and aim for the legendary?

[naive tusk]

Remember, you play the game to have fun in your own way. Don’t let others dictate otherwise 😄

[green sable]

i still don't have alot of stuff

[stray frigate]

wow 3 such a good boons

[green sable]

no companions yet

[fallow niche]

You mean one good boon

[green sable]

some boons i haven't gotten yet

[stray frigate]

i would take dash imo

[fallow niche]

Dash easily

The other two are not even remotely as good

[lament coral]

@novel python I'd take the dash despite being on 40% FO

[novel python]

Even when I already have the attack though?

[stray frigate]

@fallow niche riposte for the leg

[lament coral]

it's just too good to pass up

[fallow niche]

Dash is more powerful than the legendary.

[dense star]

I'd certainly not take Spirit unless you need it for the list

[stray frigate]

well true

[fallow niche]

:v

[turbid needle]

Spent Spirit is great.

[patent tiger]

I just got my first Companion yesterday.

[dense star]

Dash is just very nice

[turbid needle]

Divine Dash is just, uh, busted.

[green sable]

i don't even know HOW to get any of them

[novel python]

I wanna take Arte keepsake in ely and aim for the deflect crit duo though

[stray frigate]

ATHENA DASH TO CARRY ANY RUN ДА МАТЬ ЕГО!!!!!!!!

[green sable]

nor my secret stashes...theres something im not doing

[stray frigate]

ahem sorry

[novel python]

So still busted even after the nerf?

[lament coral]

all Spent Spirit is gonna do for you is slow Theseus' bombs and make you step into em

[stray frigate]

@novel python yes

[lament coral]

after their circles disappear

[novel python]

@lament coral no EM3

[stray frigate]

and it was even buffed a little

[fallow niche]

Divine Dash isn't busted as much as the fact that you're given no real i-frames versus a bunch of rooms filled to the brim with enemies with instant attacks that you can't dodge or work around normally, lined to the brim with traps.

[lament coral]

oh

[novel python]

So no EX T&M

Yet.

[lament coral]

well, do whatever you want then, just don't get skewered

[fallow niche]

Divine Dash is good because the game's balance about getting hit is honestly not very good

[lament coral]

@green sable wine and dine Meg, Than, Sisyphus, Dusa, and Skelly

[fallow niche]

No other god offers any i-frame nonsense either, so you're really left with Athena if you want to be rewarded for dashing at the right time

[green sable]

i belive ive done that ive gotten that littler red arrow

[fallow niche]

So the best way to play sans-Athena is to just manmode it

[green sable]

*little

but nothing else has been seen

[novel python]

Even though my exposed is only common I couldn't care less since I'm only using that for the debuff

@green sable give them ambrosia

When they have the arrow.

[green sable]

O

[fallow niche]

Yeah

[green sable]

Theres what i didnt do

[fallow niche]

Give Sisyphus first

His companion is the most useful for newer players

[green sable]

I just turned him loose just fyi

[stray frigate]

Sisyphus is hardest to get

[fallow niche]

Well she's very close to getting the companion anyway right now

Considering she just got him free

[novel python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672212929676050467/unknown.png Alright the hell is this

[green sable]

just payed the 10 diamonds

[fallow niche]

squid @novel python

[stray frigate]

look like

uh

[novel python]

Even Zag is bamboozled

[green sable]

all i got was crappy fish lol

[dense star]

What even is the timing for perfect catches

[turbid needle]

Looks like a heck'd up octopus.

[novel python]

Exactly when it goes in the water

[fallow niche]

when its halfway underwater @dense star

[novel python]

And you see the sparks

[grand idol]

That's an actual octopus though

[novel python]

Good thing I've heard the dings

[fallow niche]

Doesn't have that many tentacles, not an octopus.

[patent tiger]

I managed to get Than's companion. I need the diamonds for Sisyphus

[fallow niche]

Or rather, its a fictional animal

[dense star]

Guess my reflexes are crap on that then

[green sable]

id have to win with bow or rail to get any ambroisa now

[novel python]

With bow, just unlock Hera aspect

And go ham

[green sable]

i already did

[fallow niche]

One Ambrosia is what you need for the companion @green sable

[novel python]

You don't even need to level it

[fallow niche]

the rest are for more dialog

[lament coral]

@novel python damn, dude, I got a few perfect catches now but never seen those!

[fallow niche]

Except on two characters you can romance @green sable

[green sable]

o

i knew there was something i wasn't doing

[novel python]

@lament coral I've got the snake thinghy in Tartarus and this in Aspho

[lament coral]

yeah, I saw your other pic

[fallow niche]

[naive tusk]

Wow that 18+ comment though 😮

[pastel jolt]

kree

[stray frigate]

always onguard

[leaden pine]

That looks like a jellyfish

[green sable]

❤️

[novel python]

Alright I'll see myself out I guess @pastel jolt I was seeing that just as a harmless joke

[pastel jolt]

Rule #2, man.

[lament coral]

aw, man, I missed all the fun

[green sable]

is that a whip i hear cracking or is that just me?

[hardy crow]

When you have a 3 minute Tartarus on bow and the game crashes

;+;

[lament coral]

this was the pic
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672143710988795934/unknown.png

[stray frigate]

looks like pokemons

[green sable]

gotta catch em all ❤️

[lament coral]

it does, doesn't it?

Onyx, or something

[novel python]

Not as cute as Dratini though

[green sable]

Meanwhile.......

[grand idol]

Looks like a Temtem

[green sable]

i saw that game....i stay away from it...

[stray frigate]

does damage from chaos curse works for Tomatos trinket?

[novel python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/672215008826097693/672215848605319179/unknown.png I'm pretty tempted to take that piercing wave...

[green sable]

its not bad

[stray frigate]

i do not like it

it so low dmg

and doesnt even scale

[novel python]

And I have just noticed that I barely have any boons

[lament coral]

the few times I took the wave I kept getting hit

because I thought my blade was reaching enemies and staggering them, but it was actually just the wave

[novel python]

I've just noticed that if you have Athena's attack and flurry on sword, if you keep hitting when the chariots explode you can deflect the actual explosion

And not get hit

As in hold down LMB while facing them

[dense star]

Well I was able to find Lightning Phalanx at least this time. Is it just me or is it pretty bad?

[naive tusk]

Ah yes. If I have Athena’s dash, I just dash into the mini chariots so their explosion is negated haha

[stray frigate]

@dense star i dont like athena cast

it has very slow animation of throw

idk why

[leaden pine]

That’s good though

[dense star]

I don't really either, but unlocks are unlocks

[naive tusk]

Probably so it has more chance to deflect?

[leaden pine]

Lets you deflect all of bone hydras shots

[turbid needle]

It used to be better, but I think it's a little weak right now.

[stray frigate]

1150 crit for the 1st floor lol

[novel python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672217220767678484/unknown.png I really want all 3 here aaaaaaa

I think the best would be support fire? if I have the flurry

[livid comet]

Guan Yu is my favourite weapon so far

[novel python]

I like it, but it's kinda slow for my taste

[leaden pine]

I don’t like Support Fire as much

I had it on my Hestia Rail run last night and it drops off fast

[stray frigate]

lol supfire bad for hestia

[turbid needle]

Yeah, it's way better with Eris.

[stray frigate]

cus it's good for lots of attack

[turbid needle]

Pressure Points or Support Fire.

[livid comet]

It really depends on your attack speed and rate

[novel python]

That's why I was thinkingabout support fire

[turbid needle]

If you've got Flurry Slash it's not bad.

[stray frigate]

and Hestia is about one big DANG

[livid comet]

pressure points

[novel python]

because of flurry

[livid comet]

I would take pressure points

[fierce halo]

This has prolly been brought up, but wouldnt it be ok if we could move while charging up the spear spin?

[livid comet]

I think the idea is to force you to find good openings to use it

[stray frigate]

@fierce halo u can dash btw after charge

[livid comet]

and there's a reason the spin can hit through walls

yes you can

[fierce halo]

no im not saying its weak

[stray frigate]

it's slow

[fierce halo]

yes

[stray frigate]

and slow is weak in hades

[fierce halo]

and except the guan yu its rly not that usable

[novel python]

How do you decide if you take the heal or the DD refill from Patro?

I'm always undecided if I get to him with 2 dds

73/245 hp

[stray frigate]

if i miss 2-3

[fierce halo]

not to say i dont like guan yu, i think its hella broken

[stray frigate]

i take it

[novel python]

1DD missing

[stray frigate]

cus it 600-400 gold

[pastel jolt]

if i only had 1 defy missing i'd honestly just take the HP

[novel python]

I mean if I'm missing more than 1 I always take it

But now I'm low on hp too

Welp

Hp it is ig

[lament coral]

easy

[green sable]

some people can use it and some of us who suck at this game atm can't lol

[novel python]

Aaaand I just got my DD back from athena

for 150g

Winter sales?

[stray frigate]

[lament coral]

DD HP + current HP = 120+73 = 193

if Patty's heal restores more, take it

[novel python]

I mean, it's either the DD or spent spirit again

but I think id get the DD

[lament coral]

easiest DD ever

[novel python]

saves my butt more

[lament coral]

especially since it buffs all of your DDs

[green sable]

i keeping losing mine 😦

[novel python]

14 min styx

Hmmm if I find the sack fast enough I might beat my record

[stray frigate]

lol special GY build is like better Hestia

a bit weaker but way more comfortable

[grand idol]

I'm just posting novels in feedback lately

[novel python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672220516819533835/unknown.png scuffer in a perfect catch, what

[naive tusk]

reading intensifies

[pastel jolt]

speaking of feedback you realise you don't have to keep labelling them like that right

[grand idol]

I label them like that for ease of the developers.

[stray frigate]

it's a perfect scuffer

[grand idol]

They see right away what I'm talking about, rather than seeing a massive longwinded thing they could read and then at the end it's like "And that's when in 1998 Zagreus threw Theseus off the top of Hades in the Cell."

[lament coral]

bah Olympians, he's ripped in half!

[grand idol]

"That's it, he's dead."

[green sable]

Its not like the head big wigs are looking at what i suggest/say tho 🙂

[grand idol]

They read everything, Cheri.

[green sable]

O sure ❤️

[lament coral]

even this

[naive tusk]

Why wouldn’t they?

[grand idol]

They even respond in chat and stuff often.

[green sable]

im just another girl around 🙂

[grand idol]

It's easy to be jaded by game designers and stuff, but Supergiant has been very open to feedback and even just general discussion.

[novel python]

I just got Spent spirit offered 4th time

[pastel jolt]

no, they really do read all of it

[novel python]

Didn't they lower the chance for Duo boons to appear?

[pastel jolt]

if you look in the patch notes, anything marked with was influenced by community feedback

[stray frigate]

it should be hard and unthankful work

[grand idol]

Ohhh, that's what that means

[naive tusk]

If you are reading this, game devs, I love you ❤️

[grand idol]

I just assumed they were being cheeky.

[serene nexus]

Huh. Perfect Catch is a thing?

[green sable]

i was being serious but if people really DO read it i won't say anything more about it

[naive tusk]

Yeah, in the patch notes there’s a passage that says so @grand idol

[pastel jolt]

they might not use feedback exactly as listed, but it's all read and taken into consideration

[grand idol]

If you're reading this game devs, who let you outta your coding cages?

[lament coral]

@serene nexus triggers if you pull before the bob submerses

kinda tough, you get double fish

[green sable]

id tell the devs that i got zag character locked into his archer pose after a hydra fight

and took 3 screen shots to prove it to

[stray frigate]

@green sable same about all weapon

[green sable]

he litterally ran just like that till i picked up the darkness

[lament coral]

I wonder if you can perfect catch the fish in a Chaos gate, would it net you 2 diamonds/bloods/ambrosias?

[naive tusk]

That also happened to me

[dire mason]

Joke's on you Traps, my job here isn't coding.

[stray frigate]

i had shakin him with shield

[grand idol]

Ah beans. It's the devs! CHEESE IT!

[desert robin]

@lament coral no it doesn’t

[lament coral]

aw, bummer

[green sable]

Run for your lives!

FLEE

[naive tusk]

Hi Caitlin. Tell everyone we love the team ❤️

[lament coral]

🧀 there we go

[green sable]

i have to run slower because im in heels.

[lament coral]

that's a gouda piece of cheese

[dire mason]

You got it Peach!!

[green sable]

Cheddar the thought hunnie

[naive tusk]

Cheers! 😊

[turbid needle]

@grand idol Just an aside, you have Boiling Blood. When you see the words appear over you when Hades just used what is ostensibly his Cast, the logical leap isn't that big.

[thorny edge]

^

[lament coral]

oh, so it makes you take more damage?

[stray frigate]

yes it is

[grand idol]

Yeah but I have no idea what it does, or what it means.

[novel python]

I'm pretty sure that's what it does, Zepp.

[lament coral]

is it the same amount as your mirror, +50%?

[novel python]

Just like your own cast makes the enemy take more damage.

[green sable]

on my heat thingy i turned on the traps.....trust me at 400% dmg its an insta DD loss if ya hit it

[turbid needle]

Did you not fill the Mirror of Night out?

Better, Hades deals double damage.

[grand idol]

Well, to be honest

[lament coral]

I never knew what the debuff did, thought it was just an extra skull

[grand idol]

I didn't think of it like that.

[novel python]

Have fun with full Hard Labor when you get hit by one of those casts 👀 you might get instakilled by a spin 😛

[grand idol]

So that's well and good, but like, the mechanic isn't used against you in that fashion until dear ol' pep pep.

[naive tusk]

I didn’t know either. Nowhere in the game says what Boiling Blood does

[turbid needle]

It does in the Mirror of Night.

[green sable]

it boils blood?:)

[grand idol]

I mean, the mirror says it technically.

[novel python]

It does, if you read your Mirrors' skills.

[naive tusk]

I had to ask around to actually discover its effect

[grand idol]

So what we're getting at here is that in the heat of the moment with the Hades fight is that it's not readily apparent.

[pastel jolt]

i mean, presumably if you've reached hades, you've seen boiling blood in the mirror

"gee, i wonder what this thing that's named identically to one of my own abilities, used against me by my own father, does"

[green sable]

i reach him just don't get past him usually because everything else nixes me almost 100% by the time im there

[naive tusk]

Yes, but it’s really not that obvious

[green sable]

im like DD-less and like 57 health...im like well this was a waste.

[naive tusk]

I don’t pay attention to the names of the mirror bonuses for instance

[grand idol]

It's only obvious when you think about it, not when you're spear deep in papa

[thorny edge]

thats your fault, then

[naive tusk]

Besides, people say Hades’ deals double damage instead of 150%

[turbid needle]

Because it does.

[green sable]

as if he didn't hit hard enough.

im still sad im missing from boons from ares and arti still 😦

[grand idol]

Yeah, that's an oversight on my end, Gravel. I will admit I didn't know what it did because I didn't make the connection of skull into blood.

[naive tusk]

Not only that, I didn’t even know it was called Boiling Blood because I’m mire focused on evading/attacking in the heat of the moment. I had to ask about the “debuff with green borders”

[grand idol]

My point still stands that the things we fight don't prepare us for him like everything else does in the game.

[novel python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672223871771869258/unknown.png I should really stop eating all Hades' spins with my whole face every time. One day this'll cost me an easy win.

[turbid needle]

Hades uses a lot of your own moves, as well as moves from enemies in the game, especially Exalted.

[green sable]

wow

[novel python]

The multi dash move I'm pretty sure it's from an enemy from Ely.

[green sable]

i still gotta escape with the spear anyway

[novel python]

Though I hate them with my whole soul

[grand idol]

Then my question is, why isn't Hades after Elysium and not after Styx?

[turbid needle]

Cast and Boiling Blood are now hopefully obvious, he uses a 3-hit combo not unlike your own with the sword or Brightswords, he dashes, his lasers are Snakestones.

[green sable]

because its just the way it is? 🙂

[turbid needle]

Because thematically he needs to be the final boss, and you shouldn't be throwing out all knowledge you've gained in a run when you move to a new area.

[novel python]

Snakestones' lasers don't follow you though, Schpoon

[turbid needle]

Yes they do.

[mild crag]

but they do

[turbid needle]

Well, Dire doesn't, exactly.

[thorny edge]

they do but they're in a different pattern

[novel python]

They just concentrate a ton of lasers in your area

[green sable]

theres a new update on my hades.

[novel python]

If you dash out, you're "safe"

[green sable]

lets see

[mild crag]

they move towards you

[novel python]

The big one does follow you, I'll give you that.

[turbid needle]

They follow you.

[green sable]

nvm it was short

[mild crag]

they do a spread of lasers then they all slowly move towards you regardless of where you end up

[novel python]

They usually just start from left and right and start closing up.

[mild crag]

@green sable it was just some hotfixes

[grand idol]

Well, like I said, I'm not a game designer. I'm simply saying that Styx doesn't feel as appropriate within the game as the other levels do.

[novel python]

Hmm I might have not paid enough attention then, I usually try to get rid of them as fast as possible 'cause they piss me off hard time.

[turbid needle]

And Hades's attacks doesn't need to be carbon copies, in fact as the final boss I think he should rely on your ability to extrapolate from what the game has taught you prior.

Styx is a deliberate break in the rhythm that the game has provided so far, but it's a needed break.

[grand idol]

Hardly needed. Hard disagree.

[turbid needle]

By the end of Elysium, I'm pretty tired.

[grand idol]

Styx is worse than Elysium for me.

There's nothing more frustrating than being blinded, poisoned, and having to seek out a pool of mystery that isn't spoken of, or shown off before.

[mild crag]

it's not unusual to get a new mechanic in a new biome

[grand idol]

Every area builds on the last. Witches turn into Asphodel things, into spreader.

[green sable]

i think thats whats great.....the insanity.

[grand idol]

There's a pattern to how things go. Which styx interrupts.

[solid cairn]

Guan Yu is broken

...if you have good rng

[green sable]

which i almost never do

[mild crag]

there's nothing wrong with it being different

the variety is welcome

[green sable]

my RNG for the last 6 runs so far......Hammer right out of the door....next 4 rooms are darkness/keys

Boon.....3 or 4 more keys/darkness

[stray frigate]

starting hammer is very good

[grand idol]

I'm not saying there's something inherently wrong with it being different. I'm saying that it doesn't fit what has been given to us in the first three major areas.

[green sable]

pom/shop

[solid cairn]

I beat 8 heat today I’m happy

[green sable]

thats pretty much my RNG

and grats hun

[naive tusk]

Congratz!

[soft harbor]

farm those Keys/Darkness for mirror upgrades for the Fate changing thing 😉

[solid cairn]

It was so easy

[soft harbor]

its sending you a message ;D

[solid cairn]

Athena attack level 8

[green sable]

I already got everything but the final one i think

its 4K darkness

[solid cairn]

I put like every pom into it

[turbid needle]

And I'm saying that it's at a point in the length of the game where a break and minor shake-up is very well-placed.

[mild crag]

I'm not sure what doesn't fit honestly

[turbid needle]

It's not a room-by-room trek like the prior 3 biomes.

There's a hub that's revisited.

Which is way better preparation for a hard boss than another biome.

[green sable]

or find a shop when your flat freaking broke.

[solid cairn]

Anyone disagree with my feedback that tight deadline should be a timer for full run

Not per floor

[green sable]

well they call it a challenge for a reason

[turbid needle]

I think the timer needs to go up to 8 minutes in Elysium and Styx, but that's it.

[solid cairn]

They could make it more strict for it

Like level 1 28 minutes or something

[mild crag]

that would make it so easy tbh

[solid cairn]

Raising to 8 for elysium and Styx is probs the best idea yeah

[grand idol]

I mean, it's still a room by room trek. And the sheer fact that Cerberus is just there also adds a weird hitch to the story. Why would Hades continue to block us with Cerberus, knowing he does nothing? Why are there continued satyrs? Isn't Styx Hades' temple? This should be the cream of the crop for the defenders to keep Zag from the surface. Hades is the last resort.

[green sable]

im still at 2 heat tops...sorry if i am not 8 heat or anything

[solid cairn]

It’s just weird to me that you aren’t rewarded for completely the previous floor super fast

That’s just me though

Cheri, what weapon are you best at

[stray frigate]

E
A
S
Y
http://prntscr.com/quskmw

that damage

is something

[solid cairn]

Guan yu op

[grand idol]

Either way, I'm just bringing up my opinions. As said, not a game designer. Feedback is feedback. I could be wrong, and I'm fine with that.

[mild crag]

@green sable don't need to worry about not playing at high heat, should only play against your best record, not other people's

[solid cairn]

I have gotten quick spin 4 runs in a row so that may be clouding my judgement

[stray frigate]

who ever need it lol

just spam q to kill everything

[grand idol]

I mean, me personally, I shoot cerberus everytime I'm there witht he rail because he barks really fast. So I'd hate to lose that.

[solid cairn]

Special build on guan

Interesting

I once had heroic arte special

[stray frigate]

https://prntscr.com/qrl1yl wish i had this Chaos boons for this build

[novel python]

My lowest heat weps are 5 for rail and 6 for spear

Other 3 are all 10+

I should work on those

[solid cairn]

I refuse to use bow and shield

I think they’re 2 heat

I’m getting chaos shield max before using it period

[stray frigate]

20 heat shield and 15 bow is here

[novel python]

I played with the shield even without it being maxed

[stray frigate]

[solid cairn]

Rest of my weapons are at 5 and spear at 8

[stray frigate]

i just noticed

[novel python]

Which spear would be the best for a zeus flurry attack build?

[solid cairn]

Umm

[stray frigate]

some glowing spheres when Zag dying

[novel python]

I feel like zag aspect doesn't really offer that much for that build

[finite gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632278822036701214/672228257428406281/20200128030723_1.jpg How to build a nuke

[novel python]

And achilles is only .. 2 attacks buffed?

[solid cairn]

None of the others do much

[stray frigate]

@novel python achiled for cast

[green sable]

i just got my 1st companion YAY

[stray frigate]

@green sable grats

[solid cairn]

Was it rib

[green sable]

it was

[novel python]

@zealous field grats!

Ah rib, was willing to bet on shady

[solid cairn]

Now you can use the diamonds to get shady

[green sable]

Well the skeleton was the first with me so i figured why not

[solid cairn]

Optimal quest routes pog

[green sable]

im using gaun yu spear now i got Demeter 2 times in a row lol

[solid cairn]

Demeter attack is good on guan

[novel python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672228697838714920/unknown.png now have fun getting them all

[solid cairn]

Arte Aphro Demeter Athena are all good choices

[green sable]

so far its ok

❤️

[novel python]

Didn't test out Fidi yet though

[solid cairn]

I heard it’s not good

[novel python]

Well sleep time, I should've been asleep half an hr ago LOL

[solid cairn]

Thanatos is so hard to get

[grand idol]

For a new runner, I say buddy up with Sisyphus and Bouldy

[solid cairn]

I feel like I can never gift him anything

[novel python]

Night people

[solid cairn]

Rib and shady are all you need

[mild crag]

Ouch 10 diamonds tho

[solid cairn]

Rib is actually a pretty good choice for guan yu

You don’t need the healing much

And you can get damage and healing from distracted enemies

[lament coral]

and off Skelly, too

[stray frigate]

"Localisation" http://prntscr.com/qusnd0

[solid cairn]

Wait you can heal off skelly?

[lament coral]

he's considered an enemy

that's why he takes damage from your attacks, too

[solid cairn]

Ok then it’s a really good choice

[lament coral]

he also gets blue shields and increased HP if you have the relevant heat modifiers on

[solid cairn]

Skelly facts

[mild crag]

fun fact the dusa companion gets the blue hearts too since she counts as an enemy

[solid cairn]

Assuming guan yu doesn’t heal from the blue heart

[mild crag]

though as far as i can tell she's invincible anyway

[green sable]

nice

[lament coral]

can she petrify you?

[green sable]

i got one more bottle to give away

[mild crag]

no

[green sable]

then its back to earning the rest

[lament coral]

that's a relief

[mild crag]

but her attacks seem to home towards you sometimes

[faint sonnet]

That is some MAJOR Dps
|| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/651179632120430596/672229577183068160/unknown.png ||

[solid cairn]

Dusa isn’t an enemy😦

[green sable]

but she is cute

[faint sonnet]

Dusa is best

[mild crag]

[faint sonnet]

yes

Cerberus mlem
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/651179632120430596/672230387174604850/unknown.png

[turbid needle]

Another move that Hades uses that is borrowed from a different enemy is his spin attack. He lifts that straight from Theseus.

[marble ridge]

a hot pot of all the bosses

[pallid dagger]

@turbid needle that's actually lifted from Varatha. Or, Zag using Varatha lifted it from him.

[stray frigate]

and his summons just like hydra's yes

[turbid needle]

I'm thinking the wind-up and lunge that feel more similar to Theseus.

He doesn't have to attack before he does it.

[lament coral]

Theseus dashes forward, kinda like Hades does

[stray frigate]

we can do it too

actually i did it much with Hades aspect

[turbid needle]

So, another of your moves, then.

[fluid trellis]

Hey everyone, I am new to the game and I am enjoying it a lot. From what I can see there are a lot of upgrades in the game. Do all upgrades in have a "level" cap or is there a system that allows you to keep upgrading but the cost is higher each time? Havent beat the game yet, only got to the third boss so far

[green sable]

nothing like that

you can go to the highet

*highest

theres no level per say

[twilit prairie]

Hades game good

[stray frigate]

all has cap

but some upgrade are really expensive

like last mirror cost 165k darkness total

[fluid trellis]

@stray frigate Ok thanks 👍🏼

[green sable]

wow

[stray frigate]

np bro enjoy game

[compact niche]

boy oh boy is Hades hard with a tiny amount of max health

[glossy plaza]

wait, they removed the cap of darkness on Hell Mode?

[lament coral]

yes

[glossy plaza]

did the game just become easy mode even on Hell?

nani

[lament coral]

hah, no

but now we can spend all of our darkness!

[glossy plaza]

time to try a 32 heat run

base spear is even stronger now Pog

[stray frigate]

gl

[glossy plaza]

I cleared a 28 b4 but that's with a 500 darkness budget so

maybe 32 now would be easier

[lament coral]

do you have all 20 unlocks?

can you do lower after you do all 20?

[glossy plaza]

I don't have 20 unlocks, I'm just doing 32 heat for the statue

[azure wraith]

does cluster bomb prevent you from getting triple bomb?

[last dawn]

If I sell something to the pool of purging, do I have a chance to get it back if I encounter that god again?

[lament coral]

yes

[last dawn]

Phew x.x

[stray frigate]

@last dawn if u did it by mistake

u can exit and load

should help

[last dawn]

Naw, more like heat is making me and the other two were core to my build so I had to get rid of my +2 dash T.T

[turbid needle]

Ouch.

[glossy plaza]

nani?

idc what is the core of my build is, more dashes is my core

if I have more dashes, the run is won, if I don't, it's a 50/50

[last dawn]

But....but...my artemis crit basic attack I can't give up D: and the duo boon artemis/aphrodite is kinda rare to get

[glossy plaza]

I'll give up the duo

[last dawn]

Actually that's a good point...it's not too late, time to reload and ditch duo

[glossy plaza]

a duo boon for me never defined a run for me

sure more crits is nice but not essential imo

[stray frigate]

why the hell i get all the same hammer upgrades 3rd run in a row

[shell solar]

Bruh what does Impending Doom actually do? Do you have to keep applying Doom and not let it proc for an extra .5 seconds or something?

[unkempt pagoda]

it just lasts .5 seconds longer

but does more damage

the wording is weird

[last dawn]

Rip run T.T oof heat 32 is such a struggle

Those elysium spear and bowmen just move and attack so fast x.x

[stray frigate]

http://prntscr.com/qut8y6

i swear all my GY runs have same hammer upgrades

[fallow niche]

someone got 8:17 with Poseidon Sword

We fully abandoned the Chaos shield boys

Say hello to your new sword overlords

[dense star]

8:17, incredible

[fallow niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvuWn7EWA_M

Got awful RNG in Tartarus too (when it came to room spawns and Thanatos)

Could totally go sub-7 if not for that

[green sable]

...and here i am having real trouble on 2 heat lol

i just failed again...

sigh

[stray frigate]

@green sable i had very easy 20 heat run

[green sable]

i guess i don't play very good.

[stray frigate]

and awful 0 heat with spear and died at asphodel after that

or elisium

[turbid needle]

I'm about to combust because they're playing music on top of the in-game soundtrack.

[stray frigate]

so... it's about time and practice

[fallow niche]

Don't let stuff like this discourage you! This is just me being proud for the work the speedrunners putting in @green sable

[green sable]

i gotta finish the game with the rail and the bow....

to get the fate list checked off

[stray frigate]

@green sable for rail try Zeus attack and Suppoort fire

[turbid needle]

Holy cow, this is like, perfect RNG.

[green sable]

flurish or main shot?

[fallow niche]

@turbid needle the early boons are seeded in

As in, he knew they were going to be there

[glossy plaza]

spear is the best weapon for me imo, shield and rail is overrated

[turbid needle]

Right, but to happen at all.

[stray frigate]

@green sable attack

not special

[green sable]

kk

just pom that up when i get it?

[fallow niche]

Not really? The game gives you a whole ton of ways to manipulate RNG its kind of crazy @turbid needle

At least with boon rewards

[stray frigate]

Athena dash to carry the game

[turbid needle]

Is that why I have crap drops early?

[fallow niche]

Maybe

[turbid needle]

I mean, sometimes all the stars align.

Yeah, I just mash E.

[fallow niche]

If you cast at all after finishing a battle then you manipulate the outcome of the next room

Same with breaking pots and other things in the room

If Hades ever becomes a popular speedrunning game (which it has a lot of the qualities to imo), then you can see some absolutely bonkers any% runs

[stray frigate]

@green sable i like Zeus or Dio attack with rail

[fallow niche]

@green sable Try and go for Zeus attack with his legendary, it does tons of damage on rail

I only go for Dionysus if I got the early spread fire hammer

[green sable]

kk

[stray frigate]

it can work with low heat any upgrade

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i1p19borieyf3xx/Hades 2019.12.25 - 22.37.16.02.mp4?dl=0

[green sable]

i want to find unlimited ammo lol

that isn't delta chamber

[kind fiber]

Someone just suggested that you should be able able to "get the minotaur's autograph and give it to hypnos". This is already possible right?

[green sable]

ya i already did that

[stray frigate]

yes

[fallow niche]

Delta chamber replaced the old infinite ammo hammer

[stray frigate]

YES I DID IT http://prntscr.com/qutenb

[fallow niche]

what

[stray frigate]

Dusa leg trinket

[kind fiber]

Yeah I'm pretty sure I did that and later Thesus offered to give me his

[green sable]

did you know i just started a new run and Lo and behold the zeus boon you told me about appeared i almost burst out laughing

not kidding it was EPIC ❤️

[stray frigate]

what?

[fallow niche]

Nice

[pallid dagger]

@quaint escarp i don't know if anyone told you already, but you can already get an autograph from asterius to hypnos

[quaint escarp]

yeah someone DMd me about it, thanks

[green sable]

well thats irrotating a shop with a hammer and i couldn't buy it

at least got jolted boon

[stray frigate]

now u need some dash or Q

to proc Status

[turbid needle]

Look for Demeter, get Cold Fusion.

[gusty dagger]

Do you have the privileged status mirror upgrade @green sable

[green sable]

yes hun

maxed out

[gusty dagger]

Oh cool just need another status then

[green sable]

like which

like cold fusion?

[stray frigate]

weak or chill

[gusty dagger]

Thats possible. I also like dionysus dash then you could transition to a cast build with zeus dio duo

[stray frigate]

both are pretty good

well rail is not best cast related weapon

even with Eris

[gusty dagger]

Yeah but at 0 heat anything is fine 😅

[stray frigate]

well i should say

my 1st win was exactly cast build with rail lol

HB

[gusty dagger]

Although i would recommend weak. Best status out there. Aphrodite just doesnt have duo with zeus but it's still worth it

[stray frigate]

weak become shorter

but still good

Aphro just good god in general

[green sable]

Exploding rounds with 5 shot way....SHOTGUN! ❤️

[stray frigate]

oh my

[green sable]

i got it with that Zeus shot and jolted.

[stray frigate]

now be careful

Shotgun is cool to have athena dash and exposed

[green sable]

what does this jolted do...more dmg?

[stray frigate]

no

[gusty dagger]

My fave with that daed hammer upgrade is dio+aphro boon with dio on attack and aphro on dash

[stray frigate]

it's like doom

[green sable]

o

kk

[stray frigate]

but enemy get hit when they attack

[gusty dagger]

A dash attack, if aimed well, applies 8 stacks of poison with weak and privileged status

[green sable]

this huge explosion is AWESOME

now to rip the king and asterious a new one

[stray frigate]

i just love athena dash

it carries the game

[gusty dagger]

Athena dash single most op boon

Imo

[stray frigate]

one of the

@green sable add support fire to ur boons

and become even more op

@gusty dagger with shotgun u have to be very close to enemy

and dashing around with athena makes it much more safe

and exposed helps to proc Status

it's important too

even if for shotgun may be better Artemida dash

[green sable]

if i can find it i will get it

[gusty dagger]

Well it depends on how well you know your enemies haha

[green sable]

i haven't saw arti this trip

[stray frigate]

@green sable usually u can have 4 gods for a run

[green sable]

no i mean ive not seen her this run

not offered or anything

no ares either

im going into final area.

[stray frigate]

Styx?

gl with that

[green sable]

ty im working on it now

i took more screen shots of stuff i got ❤️

[stray frigate]

u win?

[green sable]

nu

i had no DD and low health..again

[stray frigate]

well u still try

[green sable]

i did.

he got 2 life bars.

did some rings stuff and i lost.

[stray frigate]

he has DD too yes)

u mean wave?

[green sable]

ya that thing

[stray frigate]

well there are only 2 things do it for now iirc

[green sable]

got nixed?:)

[stray frigate]

his skulls if they remain still for 5 sec

[green sable]

yeh he shoots those alot...does a few summons..

[stray frigate]

and Hades after he starts 2nd phase

u can dash through wave

with right timing

and skull waves are not covering all area

u can run away

or destroy them

[green sable]

lol i try but i fail this time around

i had shotgun i had to be close 😦

[stray frigate]

Hades wave is unescapable alas

only block or dodge can help

or dash i mean

1481 gold for Styx(

feel bad(

Kill hades and have a gift from him yay!

sandwich

[green sable]

i still need exit wounds

[stray frigate]

http://prntscr.com/qutyzi

[green sable]

and fully loaded...

its not english

[stray frigate]

for me it's looks like Exit wound is more rare

[green sable]

lol

ive never seen it

arti DOES give it right?

[stray frigate]

i took it last from her

[green sable]

and the fully loaded?

[stray frigate]

even her leg was earlier

also her leg is not such leg

it's tier 2

not tier 3

[green sable]

i'll see about getting only Arti this time

[last dawn]

Good lord sometimes RNG screws ya hard

had to go through every freakin' satyr room and it was the very last one....making me run out of time

[stray frigate]

well

Random is random

[green sable]

yeh..its crazy

[hollow sorrel]

Today I decided that if the game doesn't give me two status ailments by the start of the third biome, I should just ragequit, because I won't be able to make the 7:00 minute deadline

[stray frigate]

and?

how did it go?

[pallid dagger]

completed all of the work orders
bought all of the bedroom upgrades
bought all of the lounge upgrades
bought all of the court music ( ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ )

how am i still only half done

[stray frigate]

almost same here

but i bought all diamonds stuff

and some gems

but there is much left(

no rest for the fishies

[last dawn]

Hmmm do I dump epic bronze skin or rare athena call

Athena call is more likely to save my butt probably

[stray frigate]

i would take call too

[last dawn]

Lol offered a normal mod, epic mod, and duo mod....I chose the normal mod, can you guess which one it is 😮

[stray frigate]

dash

[last dawn]

Yup, athena dash xD

[stray frigate]

athena dash ftw!

[trim snow]

i have no idea how to make zeus shield work well...

[stray frigate]

@trim snow easy

you take it

swap to chaos shield

and win

[trim snow]

shield hammers in general might need some buffs

[last dawn]

I miss full auto world smasher :<

You can still chain it together like before but now it's just tedious

[stray frigate]

who ever need hammers for shield(

[dense star]

Definitely funny how irrelevant the rarity of athena dash is

[plucky burrow]

https://prnt.sc/quubst

That was a silly run.

[dense star]

Fully loaded with no cast seems spicy, if I'm reading that right

[stray frigate]

@dense star i had bunch of poseidon aspect with no cast lol

[plucky burrow]

Yeah, Everytime a cast came up, there was something better

[dense star]

Yeah poseidon aspect with no cast is real tragic

[unkempt pagoda]

did you get exit wounds?

[stray frigate]

nah

it one of the rariest boon imo

[last dawn]

Aaaaaaaaaah
https://imgur.com/OwfN6Vu

Hoo bby that was rough

[unkempt pagoda]

OH

niceeee

congrats!!!

[last dawn]

Thanks 😄 time for the sexy skelly prize 😉

[stray frigate]

32!

[unkempt pagoda]

also didn't realize rocket was buffed

👀

[green sable]

grats 🙂

[thick sedge]

is exit wounds really one of the rarest boobs?

[green sable]

lol boons ❤️

[stray frigate]

for me it yes

[green sable]

im trying to find it right now

[thick sedge]

autocorrect really goes from boons to boobs

wow

[green sable]

lol

[thick sedge]

I feel like I get it quite often with my cast builds

[stray frigate]

rarest boobs

[thick sedge]

but then again I take an extraordinary amount of artemis boons

[green sable]

ive still gotta find it

[thick sedge]

because best girl and all that

[green sable]

im trying an arti build with the rail atm

[dense star]

Just need to find athena legendary & blizzard shot

[stray frigate]

Bouldi is the best girl!

[dense star]

For the list

[unkempt pagoda]

exit wounds is coded to not be given when you have a cast that doesn't embed (for obvious reasons), but it might be just be rng

[last dawn]

T.T it's a beautiful thing not to be timed

[unkempt pagoda]

you deserve it, 32 is hard stuff

[stray frigate]

not so lucky this time http://prntscr.com/quug4g

[mild crag]

no put the timer back on

[stray frigate]

buuut still won

[mild crag]

⏲️

[last dawn]

D:

[stray frigate]

is there possible have explosive special with GY?

[mild crag]

no dont think so

[stray frigate]

i mean my last 4-5 runs with spear

i have same upgrades all the time

400% armor and charged special

[mild crag]

400% armor damage with guan yu is hilarious

[green sable]

omg

did explody spear vanish when using GY?

[mild crag]

yeah pretty sure

[green sable]

also where is that inf ammo i orignally saw all ive found is that delta box

[dense star]

Infinity chanber got replaced with delta chamber

[stray frigate]

they removed infinity chamber

F

[green sable]

that would explain why i couldn't find it....F

[dense star]

F

[mild crag]

[dense star]

Don't like either tbh but meh

[green sable]

Well i didn't want to say the rest.

[mild crag]

delta chamber is an improvement over infinity chamber in my opinion anyway

[green sable]

how so?

[mild crag]

i think it's more interesting than just invalidating zagreus aspect

[last dawn]

I'm not a huge fan of the infinite ammo hammer mods. It completely disables 2 of the 3 aspects

[karmic coyote]

and no enemies would let you load 20+ bullets at them

[dense star]

Funny enough I completely trashed on infinity chamber because you could just use zag aspect if you wanted more bullets

[mild crag]

the burst fire does increase accuracy as well, i believe

i prefer flurry fire to delta chamber still

but i prefer delta chamber over infinity chamber

[dense star]

Yeah, pressing reload isn't a big deal

[sacred idol]

If I have Vicious Skewer, will the crits affect Doom and other such damage?

[mild crag]

@sacred idol no

[last dawn]

Especially if the next shot is 150 base damage 😉 then you wanna reload all the time

[dense star]

^

[sacred idol]

[stray frigate]

only thing that can make Doom crit is pressure points

wait

not only

[mild crag]

marked

[stray frigate]

it may be mark too

[mild crag]

marked can yeah

[stray frigate]

also it would be Status hit

[dense star]

Yep, marked & other global crit mods

[mild crag]

impending doom, privileged status, sweet surrender and eris aspect are your go to improve doom damage

[sacred idol]

So what's the best pair for Vicious Skewer?

[mild crag]

also merciful end

[sacred idol]

A debilitating status like Chill? Or Deflect/Expose?

[stray frigate]

not sure for Merciful

[sacred idol]

since I'm doing Zag spear runs and loving the throw

[stray frigate]

what is vicious skewer

[sacred idol]

Backstab crits are doing a crapton of damage

[karmic coyote]

all you need is damage, so aphrodite special

[sacred idol]

Oh, +damage on throw, +crit on recall

+50% flat crit chance or something? it does a metric ton of damage on zag recalls

[stray frigate]

oh that one

[mild crag]

@sacred idol do you have privileged status unlocked on your mirror?

[sacred idol]

yeah

[mild crag]

yeah so just any status curse

exposed, poison, weak, chill, marked, they all work

doom counts as one as well

[sacred idol]

I'm up to olympian favor on the mirror and all that. Took me long enough to get out the first time.

[green sable]

i found flurry fire and i took it this time

[sacred idol]

I wish I'd gotten explosive throw, but this is neat

[green sable]

just now that is

[stray frigate]

marked is the worst to proc privileged

[sacred idol]

what's marked again

[stray frigate]

cus it always on target u DONT hit

[sacred idol]

the 'tag other enemies with crit' thing?

[stray frigate]

yes

[sacred idol]

yeah, figured it's a no, I was hoping for chill or exposed

[stray frigate]

Weak and chill my fav

[last dawn]

Marked was always nice against douche-king and bull-man. Crit one, switch, crit other, switch crit other

[mild crag]

i think chill lasts the longest?

[stray frigate]

they long and dont disappear for some reason

[mild crag]

unless you get empty inside

[stray frigate]

well since they nerfed weak

yes

[mild crag]

demeter also gives you good damage bonuses

[stray frigate]

but i like Aphro boons more in General

[sacred idol]

Vicious is great though, unexpectedly. It's doing 160+ to 200+ with no boon in the slot, just from backstab critting on a rank 3 zag throw

[stray frigate]

more HP

[sacred idol]

Bad luck though. I'm on a "game decided you only get Zeus today" run

[stray frigate]

more DMG

Less dmf taken

[mild crag]

zeus

i forgot zeus can buff doom too

[sacred idol]

although battle rage is spicy, and I got a slothful flourish for special damage

[mild crag]

with billowing strength

[sacred idol]

well, lightning isn't a great status for spear

super low hitcount

[mild crag]

yeah i was just sayin the thing about doomerinos

[sacred idol]

But...

[stray frigate]

ok it almost 7:00

i played all night long again

[sacred idol]

Epic rank special, Rare rank aid, and Epic rank vengeance

What should I pick

It's still a frickin' spear :/

[stray frigate]

time to sleeep and gl everyone

[sacred idol]

all I have is a zeus cast

[last dawn]

Gnight 0/

[karmic coyote]

why would you pick zeus cast

[last dawn]

Hnnnng the worldsplitter crits so gooood