freeing him
#h1-builds-and-combat
woven hill
Hell yeah
dense star
I got a bit lucky and saved up diamonds not knowing how much it cost to free him, though I want to unlock more music 
woven hill
I was wondering, when you're wearing Achilles' keepsake, is it only when you get hit from behind that you see the shield icon?
Truee, I'll have to look up the songs in advance before I buy them so I pay for what I want to listen to most at first
turbid needle
The front, too, I think.
dense star
I admit, I really do wish you could refund titan blood for weapons, especially given that they're still seeing rebalances
woven hill
Damn, I'm trying to figure out if I'm just getting hit a lot from behind or if you get that icon regardless, so I know if I need to change my positioning mid fight
Yeah I love the shield so I got the Zeus aspect
I really don't love the Zeus aspect
Maybe if there was some way to speed it up because most enemies are really mobile so they don't get caught up in the whirl
turbid needle
Just gotta be aggressive calling it back and sending it out.
woven hill
Yeah guess that's true
turbid needle
I agree, it's not easy.
dense star
Sounds like a lot of micro managing relative to Chaos aspect, yeah
woven hill
When it comes to ranged weapons, is Distant Memory worth it? I find that other than the lob from the machine gun and the power shot of the bow, all of my attacks are really range-limited
I have to stand closer than I'd like to some enemies to actually hit them
Maybe if you had a range boost like the spear throw
woven hill
Good to know, I do find that it can increase my base attack from around 60 to 78 which if done consistently can be big, but oftentimes it's really hard to get that positioning right
green sable
ya
olive sand
Is there any way to dodge ||Hades ||AOE? I'm trying to get him with the Stygian Sword, but in close combat, it's just impossible for me to dodge his XXXXXL AOE, and it seems there is no invincibility frame on the dashes. Plus, visual effects makes the boss hard to read, I can't see when he's gonna dash, AOE or launch "heads" on me. Any tips for a non range fight?
woven hill
Only behind the pillars I think. Only reached that phase once but yeah you really get shredded if you don't find cover
I do need to improve my tactic fighting him in general tho, I get hit by his spin attack way too much
mild crag
There is invincibility on the dashes
Just not a lot
The start and end aren't invincible but somewhere in the centre is
woven hill
Getting a good call helps a lot too
Like saving up a bit of bar on the Ares call to run around to the room to cover
olive sand
Oh, so there is invincibility frame. Very interesting thing to know. Not sure it can work against that AOE, since it's probably longer than the invincibility.
woven hill
My feedback message didn't get the thumbs up react, I honestly find that really funny
Do the moderators have access to the reacts? Not saying my feedback is groundbreaking but just want to see what others think
Grazie <3
green sable
i just found out you only get 2 hammers per run...omg
finite grail
Fwiw, I find Hermes’ multidash boon helps a lot with that Tiphereth
Because you can kinda just mash it when you see the trace
woven hill
Multdash is soooo good
It can let you hit floaty enemies above lava and triggers dash boons more
finite grail
I routinely take it at a rare level over other epics lmao
woven hill
EVEN AS A RARE IT'S SO GOOD IT'S LIKE 2 EXTRA DASHES
finite grail
yeah! I understand the value of drift dash and the like but.... extra dashes are just so nice
woven hill
I think other boons I take regardless of rarity are the Athena dash and Artemis' multishot
Because those help out so much
finite grail
Athena dash FOR SURE Artemis multishot im iffy on sometimes honestly?
Just because other things seem to work well regardless of build haha
woven hill
Yeah if its common the damage upgrade is pretty iffy but if I get a solid rarity on it it absolutely shreds some enemies
And true
Like getting either Dionysus or Ares attack, especially if you get the Doom stack boon
finite grail
the doom stack boon is SO GOOD
woven hill
Really good
Any boon that lets me jump between the hydra heads and damage them on its own is good in my book
finite grail
there’s the Aphro one which allows doom to proc as long as they’re weak and chef kiss
just delightful
woven hill
Ooooh I don't think I even got that one but yesss
Especially if you get the extra weak time boon
Even as a common it's like, 10 seconds?!
finite grail
YEAH GBHGB I thought that time was super long glad I’m not the only one!!
woven hill
Oops, soz
Yeah that extra time is suuuper useful since you don't need to refresh it too often, and with that duo boon it's absolutely beautiful
lavish fossil
How does the deflection boon work on the Adamant Rail's special ability? It makes no sense to me
woven hill
I haven't tried it because it seems really weird considering the delay on the lob between launch and hit
turbid needle
Bombard drops a very short (I'm assuming single frame) AoE on hit. Anything in that AoE when it goes off gets Deflected.
turbid needle
It's not great as a defensive measure, no.
finite grail
I think that’s how the slow zone works for it too
turbid needle
But Bombard has good base damage and Athena has good damage modifiers.
woven hill
Sounds like an AoE Athena call with a delay
rancid shore
It's okay if you're using Eris
turbid needle
Nah, the slow zone is as long as it's in the air.
woven hill
I love the hazard bomb on the Exagryph
finite grail
Ah, okay
woven hill
The range becomes so massive
turbid needle
Just don't use Hazard and Eris together.
finite grail
special builds on rail are really fun
lavish fossil
like what?
woven hill
Lmao what happens if you use it on Eris? Haven't gotten it yet
woven hill
I had one built where i spammed casts and lobs
Since I got the 3 lob upgrade
With a tipsy shot
So 3 bombs 3 stun zones
turbid needle
Hazard hurts you, and Eris requires you sit inside the reticle when the blast goes off.
woven hill
Oooooof
rancid shore
you can dash through the blast before it hits you
it's just way more annoying to use
woven hill
Good to know
weak totem
Agreed to the 'Maimed Eclipse' curse from Chaos, right before a fight with Alecto 🙃
fleet vigil
Did they nerf the theron encounters so you can't double dip on ambrosia anymore?
I used to be able to give him one before talking to him but now he just drops an item and poofs with no option
fleet vigil
Also WOW. The crit buff after deflecting is crazy strong with her call.
woven hill
Just because I only had this set up once, I want to make sure if Nourished Soul affects Last Stand and Quick Recovery, because if not then that should either be prefaced or changed.
dense locust
My intuition is that it would stack additively
but I can't give any sort of definitive answer
It'd be awesome if they added a practice arena with all possible boons
So if they don
Don't want to take the time to explain confusing synnergies, the community could just figure them out ourselves
woven hill
I'd hope it does, since I was kind of banking on it to give me more revive health and more dash restore but I don't think I gotmore health upon death, and I was too focused on the fight with Hades to botice my health when I dashed.
And an arena with unlocked boons would be fun
open kettle
Hey I'm kind off confused on how to select my boons
I'm curious if there any guides that can help guild how to select
dense locust
@woven hill Yeah and I acutally think it'd be less work for them then having to explain confusing synnergy, and way better than just leaving it up to us
woven hill
Yeah, and a great way to test out builds in advance, if you want to go with an Olympian keepsake
dense locust
So your question was if Nourished Soul affected either Last Stand or Quick Recovery?
dense locust
Yeah, your question made me think that a practice arena would literally solve all of my problems, and now I can't imagine this game not integrating it. How do I make suggestions
woven hill
woven hill
Go to #bot-commands and get the early access role
I joined yesterday so it's definitely not that
dense locust
Also last stand and quick recover would not affect eachother, but Nourished soul should boost both of them. If it doesn't, that definitely should be clarified
woven hill
Mhm
dense locust
Ah thanks
woven hill
Np
dense locust
Yeah there have been a number of combinations that made me question if they would work together or not. Or how. Like for example, chaotic aspect on the Aegis. Some boons seem to affect all of your split shields, while others only boost some sort of main shield
woven hill
Yeah some of the combinations fall down to trial and error
dense locust
God a practice arena would solve the only gripe I've had with this game entirely
I love this game a lot and want it to be the best it can be. I hope they consider it
woven hill
Same 🙏 
woven hill
Got it?
dense locust
I inferred it from the countless others that did it starring me in the face
woven hill
Swag
woven hill
Staring, yeah
dense locust
I swear Im good at spelling, sometimes my brain has a bowel movement
woven hill
I think everyone's brains are like that
dense locust
Darn the suggestions channel has been locked for now
I suppose it could be loosely classified as feedback. Although if no one has suggested this yet, I would utterly amazed
woven hill
@dense locust Try in feedback, it should work just as well
Suggestions looks like suggesting new stuff, not reworking existing stuff anyway.
woven hill
Awesome! 
dense locust
This game would be nearly perfect with some sort of sandbox to test in. It would also make for a much more accurate and comprehensive wiki
marble ridge
Hades Maker
dense locust
Sorry, last non-gameplay comment. like the binding of isaac but I think it is insane to hide what an item does in a game
And it's not like that at all in Hades, but the more you can get away from that, the better imo
I like*
lament coral
Hades isn't like BoI at all
everything has a description that tells you how it works
dense locust
No its not
And I want to make that clear
But the more transparent they can be the better
And a practice arena would completely clear up any questions of that, as well as build up an accurate and comprehensive wiki page
dense locust
It's good now that I can play a little Hades
quaint wind
Yeah just got killed on Elysium with another 32 heat fail
I dont know what to do with my life
dense locust
Im still building my way up to that. I had a little bit an existential crisis when I realized that this game has become practically the only game I play and eventually I will reach a point where there is nothing to gain from a run
But that day is far away
quaint wind
Welll ahahhaahahha
dense locust
I think my highest heat is 14 on the sword
quaint wind
Ye im right there
lament coral
I would like for courtyard to actually be useful
quaint wind
Yo
dense locust
At 32 is everything maxed?
quaint wind
Tru
lament coral
no
quaint wind
No
lament coral
45 is when everything's maxed
dense locust
because there are clearly some heat that are way harder than others despite being worth the same
What ones are last to raise for you guys?
quaint wind
It makes no real sense to do that cuz technically its harder whenever you max either tack speed or choice or just give king of athens armor
Cuz everything just sorta auto hits you
So
dense locust
The time limit and darkness restriction seem the worst.
quaint wind
Building up to 32 is weird imo
Ye
Id put
The level up of bosses there too
Again
dense locust
The darkness restriction needs to be rebalanced imo. The bosses one is okay for me for the first two (although again, im only at 14 heat) but the 3rd boss gets insanely stronger
dense locust
ygh
quaint wind
That
dense locust
ugh
quaint wind
Hirts
dense locust
Im sure it will all get balanced in the end
dense locust
But at that point, im not sure I'd be enjoying myself. Sounds like you have to just roll the dice and hope for the perfect combination of boons
I love the increasing difficulty, but I still dont want to have to depend on RNG
dense locust
A little RNG is fun, but being reliant on it is a disheartening
lament coral
in theory, god keepsakes are supposed to ensure you get those
dense locust
It lowers the rng for sure
lament coral
but in reality, you could end up not seeing a single attack/special/cast the entire run
dense locust
yeah
maybe if you could swap keepsakes like twice a level
And something to favor a certain attack type. IDK, this is literally last on the list of things to add to the game though
quaint wind
I find that with no choice heat thing
You never get to choose the top one
And only last and maybe middle
Is that just me?
dense locust
I like super difficult games, but not if the difficulty comes from winning the lottery
Maybe they just list the blocked one at the top?
quaint wind
Yeah but top one is almost all the time is attack or special ye
Unless youv taken those allready
So whenever you start run with that heat you basically confirmed to never get
Attack boon
And get call at best
dense locust
I'm sure that the highest level of difficulty will see its fair share of balances and additions, but I'd imagine its much lower on the list
dense locust
95+% of the playerbase will probably never see 32 heat
quaint wind
Is it night where supergiant are
dense locust
it is open, i just left feedback
dense locust
The suggestions is closed
quaint wind
One thing i hope is that they release it soon
So that all the good noise around the game gets it deserved
Wins
On e3
And other contests
Its so deserved it
dense locust
I would be shocked if this game isn't give huge amounts of praise
It's an amazing rogue lite that actually has character
quaint wind
Music gameplay lore writing its alll there
quaint wind
STYLE
quaint wind
Top quality
dense locust
the style
I love SG's art style
i guess it would be SGG
But I am getting excited and just want to praise Supergiant games when I should be talking gameplay
quaint wind
Allright gonna go for another run
dense locust
sane
same, but you are sane for doing so
Anyone know if heat-required portals take up a spot on your run or if it just added in so that you can still visit the same number of levels in addition to the heat-required portal
lament coral
it's just an extra
the only case where it can extend your run is when you take it before the pre-boss room
extra in the sense that it's extra door, it's still considered a room for progression
dense locust
So to be clear, if I have some boons next room but take the heat-portal that gives double gold, I potentially lose out on an extra a boon I could have had
lament coral
just treat it as another room
dense locust
gotcha
lament coral
also, you can check how close your are to the boss by opening the boon menu and lookin in the upper right
dense locust
do you know if the rng to find a boon room increases if you've been given non boom rooms many times?
lament coral
bosses are set at 12/24/36 rooms
dense locust
Holy crap thank you
lament coral
so 11/23/35 are always pre-boss rooms
dense locust
Are mini boss rooms set?
lament coral
I don't know how the boon RNG works but I do believe it's impossible to get through the entire biome and not see a single god room
no, they'll keep coming back if you skip em
but, if there are enough exits presented, you can bypass all of em
dense locust
Are you talking about the skull tagged rooms, or the mini bosses like minotaur, or those extra hard creeps with all the traps in the first biome
dense locust
Yeah im not sure on the proper words for these things
Okay so you have to face the mini boss every biome but it could be on the room right before the preboss room
If you managed to avoid it each time
Thanks for the insights, this discord is invaluable
And that wasn't sarcasm but it kinda looks like it now that I posted it. I really do appreciate how much I've learned here
full flame
that can't be 100% always true
it's possible to take a chaos/infernal gate just before a pre-boss room for an extra room to your total
fleet vigil
Is there any way to get a higher chance at duo boons?
Or is it just luck and spamming the gods over and over?
woven hill
There are specific boons that correspond to othwr boons that trigger duos
Check the pages of the different gods in the wiki to see which boons work with each god
lament coral
https://i.imgur.com/y3PuRti.png
Behold the true power of ultra instinct!
level 13 heroic Drunken Flourish
all thanks to grandma's boon and plentiful pomegranate harvest
also, probably the worst hammers for Chaos shield
picked em for testing and can now confirm that they are, indeed, the worst
though Charged Throw just seems straight up bad
out of all the newly added charged specials, only the spear one actually felt good to me
unborn trellis
that drunker flourish is common
lament coral
Rare Crop's own rarity is epic, cause it affected 3 boons, yet it appears as common in the menu
woeful stirrup
Also, love how your Disciple of Hermes run is so damn slow 
frank pecan
I got a flawless run with the lifesteal spear, because I ended at full health
untold widget
so i finally got Hermes's Greater Recall... on a shield build where i never cast 
frank pecan
That doesn't seem quite right
lament coral
missed Erebus/Chaos gates there a few times because they spawned on those small islands in corners of the map
jolly dirge
Clearly it's flawless because Zag cheerfully just claims that he had no visible entries upon completion.
You can't prove he got hurt if his HP is full!
lament coral
plausible deniability
untold widget
the next run i did was going to be an eris run.... then i got art cast and all the cast support and like never actually used the gun lol
i was using "no choice" and still got art legendary before the furies
lament coral
I kinda hate when that happens
I just wanna to a Zeus attack rail run
nope, no attack for you
but here, have this bundle of Ares boons, all cast focused
jolly dirge
"You will throw your blood around everywhere and you will like it young man!"
lament coral
oh, and here's an Ares/Artemis duo!
untold widget
yeah, my very first boon was artemis, and the no choice cancelled out the attack, but left the cast, and i was like welp
untold widget
i then got dual cast, a cast chaos boon, and art legendary before asphodel
flurry cast in asphodel, and i was like, welp, guess i have a better gun than the gun now
No Choice cancelling out prophecy boons is big oof though
turbid needle
Anyone has an in depth guide on mechanics behind rerolling, or the patience to explain it thoroughly
jolly dirge
Ooooh, I needed this.
The laurels had been annoying me since I couldn't figure them out.
untold widget
as a note, i dont know if this is legit or just my experience, but it seems that any specific room has about 3 "options" inherent to it
like if you reroll it 3 times youll end up where you started
turbid needle
Yes that's what I am referring to
woeful stirrup
Not necessarily 3 options, but you can't get all options, yes.
turbid needle
How for example boons locked rooms sometimes only cycle between 3 options etc
Sometimes 4
But I didn't know about the gold and blue laurel either so thanks
manic ermine
you cannot have the same reward on multiple exits, so when presented with gem/darkness/key I always throw a reroll for nectar pom.
timber temple
I’ve yet to run into Chaos room
manic ermine
and I've found the first elysium room to have a very high chance of rerolling into the hammer if it hasn't already appeared so I often spend one there
turbid needle
Oh that's cool
Wish we could compile something
I saw a speedrun from a youtuber and he seemed to be doing some specific things I didn't understand
Also there's for example the rule of miniboss rooms
If you skip it the first time it appears
dusky steeple
(copied from #h1-discussion )
I'm finding I can consistently reach the sewer biome, but probably only succeed to the final boss half the time, and lose to the final boss most times
of about 35 runs since I reinstalled, I have beaten the final boss twice
so I'm not a beginner, but I don't feel like I have much methodology to improve, or bases to make good decisions
another roguelite that I love, Slay The Spire, I played similarly badly until I watched some Jorbs videos explaining the underlying methodology
turbid needle
It will be available as one of the next rolm options
dusky steeple
The main thing that this underlying methodology did for my StS runs was reduce the variance significantly
whereas I feel like I get massive variance in hades runs
either I do very well because my boon choices seem to gel well
or I get a meh run and survive through until the sewers/final boss check me for skills I don't have
untold widget
if youre getting to the final boss consistently, but still losing a lot, i think you may just need to get better at that fight
turbid needle
Do you think your issue is dmg output or survivability first?
turbid needle
How long does it take to normally beat the bosses of third act
untold widget
well, how much hp/DD do you usually get to the boss with
dusky steeple
it's probably more damage avoidance
I can beat third act reasonably well by mashing dodge button and keeping my distance
turbid needle
But how long does it take
dusky steeple
I find second act boss harder often
quite a while? I chip down the minatour then chip down the other chap
turbid needle
1 minute? 5 minutes?
dusky steeple
Probably closer to 5?
One change I made that made me get consistently further was to value new boons over poms
which I guess increases damage output variance
turbid needle
Poms are only good at start as a general rule of thumb
untold widget
i disagree with that
turbid needle
Or if you are locked into a build
dusky steeple
I guess it's that basic methodology I feel like I'm lacking
worthy dust
I find poms useful sometimes.
dusky steeple
I'm just chancing it mostly
turbid needle
Yes
dusky steeple
and getting by on perseverence/luck
turbid needle
Ok what's your favourite weapon
worthy dust
Like when I had Aphrodite cast and it was the majority of my damage
dusky steeple
I am about equal on shield and gun
Can't use the javelin thing really at all, and die too much with the sword
though sword runs are usually fun/frantic
turbid needle
Ok shield is probably one of the most effective weapons atm
dusky steeple
I tend to pick whatever has the darkness bonus
I haven't found the final weapon yet
dusky steeple
and I haven't got any companions (I didn't know they existed until I was looking at the wiki)
ah gotcha
turbid needle
Ok, how far into your mirror progression are you
dusky steeple
I've been romancing the skeleton but have got to a locked heart
I think I've pretty much maxed the mirror except for unlocking the "switch room rewards"
tbh I stopped collecting keys once I unlocked everything else
perhaps that was a mistake 👀
woeful stirrup
Have you tried dodging the gigantic spear?
- Hypnos
Don't be afraid of taking your time, learning the patterns is important and your damage output won't matter if you can't dodge correctly.
worthy dust
Yeah you can't just hug Hades unless your damage is very good and have lots of death defiances
Which... That's usually my problem. Lol
lavish fossil
What do I even do against the murder sister
wth
I can deal with the other two fine
turbid needle
3 death defiance and very strong dmg is easiest way to beat Hades consistently at start
flint grove
wha
dusky steeple
@lavish fossil dodge her first attack, attack and withdraw
turbid needle
Hello everyone, when am I able to speak into hades-feedback channel? I have some questions / feedback the balance between god powers and the usefulness of certain strategies becoming useless right before hades.
worthy dust
Murder sister you slam a cast into her right away and then give her the business
flint grove
she's the easiest one of all
dusky steeple
Yeah I struggle with her the least
flint grove
just hit dodge rinse and repeat
worthy dust
@turbid needle read the pin I think
dusky steeple
no distractions in that fight...
lavish fossil
idk for some reason i can't deal with her
jolly dirge
I actually found Alecto the easiest. Mostly because her total lack of chill means she'll walk right into traps.
worthy dust
Lol
turbid needle
I would recommend you try and go for a few Ares and Athena @dusky steeple runs
lavish fossil
I'll get it
turbid needle
With shield
worthy dust
Yeah tisiphome is just dodge, attack. It takes some getting used to.
pastel jolt
@turbid needle read the pinned messages in the feedback channel!
turbid needle
Thanks everyone
dusky steeple
@turbid needle I'm guessing easier if I actually grind some keys and unlock the room change
worthy dust
Room change is not necessary
turbid needle
Just find one of them and then swap trinkets between zones
dusky steeple
but helpful to reduce variance
On trinkets, I used to massively overvalue charon's
worthy dust
I make it to Hades 90% of the time as well. Probably have a 60% win rate while pushing heat
He's just tough
dusky steeple
Nowadays I tend to go boon -> boon -> purse -> tooth
turbid needle
Don't start boon is my advice
dusky steeple
OK interesting
my most successful runs also tend to include poison
fwiw
but then it sucks vs bosses
turbid needle
You want to use it for reduce variance
dusky steeple
because they seem to be basically immune to poison
woeful stirrup
Go purse first. Then boon so you can complement the build the game gave you.
untold widget
i almost always start boon cause theres usually a specific one im looking for
thick sedge
I tend to go boon > boon > acorn > keep acorn or take skelly's DD
untold widget
to basically kick off the build
woeful stirrup
Often, I've started with boon, then not gotten another one from that God in the run.
thick sedge
but yeah I should maybe try coin purse
untold widget
i think thats just unlucky.
lavish fossil
What's the best call to use?
woeful stirrup
I am very unlucky. See those people complaining they don't ever get a cast boon on Poseidon or an attack boon on Hestia and the game's balance has become cram in the last update? That's been happening to me for over a year.
woeful stirrup
If I start with God keepsake, there is a 75% chance I won't get the boon I want, and a 60% chance I won't see that god more than twice in the whole run.
turbid needle
Then I build around depending on the first two chaos boons I get
woeful stirrup
I don't ever pick Chaos, as I never find more than 3 Chaos gates in a run, and often don't find a single one, including Lights of Ixion. Keepsake feels way too random to be useable.
turbid needle
They buffed chaos spawn rate I think
And I have a feeling starting chaos boon increases her appearance rate
I also just find chaos fun
dusky steeple
there is a chaos charon buy too right?
what do people think of charon wells?
pre third biome it seemed super powerful
getting all these sweet stacking bonuses
woeful stirrup
I hate Charon wells, they never give me the Chaos buy.
turbid needle
That's what is called lights of ixion
dusky steeple
though tbf I think they nerfed the hydra since then
turbid needle
You can oneshot hydra now
dusky steeple
as it used to be a DPS battle, and now it's just methodology based
turbid needle
Which is silly
dusky steeple
I've never managed that 😄
flint grove
wait what you can?
dusky steeple
but he always summons 2x heads, right?
turbid needle
That's a very endgame thing
dusky steeple
whereas you used to have to beat down very quickly
turbid needle
You can phase skip
flint grove
teach me master
lavish fossil
^^
dusky steeple
^
turbid needle
There's videos of it on youtube
lavish fossil
also how valuable is nectar vs darkness?
turbid needle
Feels spoily to discuss it here with people who haven't progressed all endgame
Depends on what you're currently wanting to unlock
But generally I think the game values darkness nectar at a 150-1 ratio or something?
Is linking videos allowed in this chat
dusky steeple
I don't feel like it took me long to amass lots of darkness
woeful stirrup
Always pick Nectar. You often can't use darkness with broker,and you won't miss that 12 darkness.
dusky steeple
everything maxed bar the last thing and the two percentage increases
and I actively avoid it over other rewards
though the chaos +250% boon does change my opinion somewhat...
turbid needle
Chaos darkness bonus is for reruns imo
untold widget
the quick and dirty explanation of phase skip is just you have to deal a crazy amount of damage to the hydra effectively while its hp bar is still filling up
flint grove
kthanks
dusk plume
Does Raging Rush give iframe?
frank pecan
Is there a tier list of boons? Or a guide on the best pacts on pact of punishment to pick for the best ratio of difficulty to heat?
untold widget
a lot of that comes down to weapon and preference
damage control is nothing on rail but a bad time on hera bow
karmic coyote
yeah best pacts depend entirely on your preference, some can't deal with tight deadline or limited budget or no choice and so on
lament coral
off the top of my head, you wanna avoid blue shields with Poseidon sword and Hestia rail
and Lasting Consequences is free heat with Guan Yu spear
lament coral
I wouldn't recommend touching FO
maybe 10/20%, at most
you get accustomed to certain timings, and FO will mess em up
untold widget
i suppose. i just prefer it over stuff the makes the game a slog like calisthetics
or too much jury summons
lament coral
calisthenics isn't that bad, it's just extra HP
you spend more time punching through the armor anyway
untold widget
yeah i get it, but i prefer stuff like hard labor or heightened security where its on me to get good
dusky drum
i did a demeter rail run and got legendary before end of tarturus
and geez is that legendary great for bosses
also seems a bit busted
woeful stirrup
It's essentially an 11.1% damage boost, so pretty much the same as that one Ares boon, except better with crowds and way harder to get.
woeful stirrup
Yes. The Ares boon has no prerequisites.
woeful stirrup
The Demeter boon is a legendary, meaning you need to focus on Demeter.
@dusky drum What do you mean, Aphro has some of the highest damage boosts.
stoic crest
question
woeful stirrup
(if not the highest)
stoic crest
how does aspect of eris interact with hazard bomb?
do I have to hurt myself to get the damage boost?
untold widget
yup
stoic crest
feels bad
dusky drum
whenever i use aphro i never egt much out of her
green sable
me either.
dusky drum
i tend to get better damage with artemis or athena
and my comment on dio, at best you can get about 40 ish a second for a 5 stack
woeful stirrup
Aphro is one of the best gods. Weak is easy to apply, lasts a long time, meaning you can easily get privileged status, and she's got very high damage.
dusky drum
that isnt too good to me late game
woeful stirrup
Dio is also good thanks to his long lasting curse.
dusky drum
??
woeful stirrup
Privileged status is 50% damage boost. You WANT that.
unborn trellis
i think the plan is apply weak -> spam poison until weak runs out
poison doesnt last long, but you are incentivised to refresh it constantly
woeful stirrup
Athena gives 40% on attack, 60 on special. Aphrodite gives 50 on attack, 80 on special.
stiff smelt
its a reliable damage mitigation
dusky drum
its rarely a thing that i notice
stiff smelt
was so good it got nerfed
woeful stirrup
And to get a curse with Athena, you need an additional boon for Exposed
dusky drum
i dont tend to run curses
green sable
i think im still botching something somewhere lol
stiff smelt
youre missing out on an easy 50% dmg
woeful stirrup
Just looking at people's opinion on your feedback, you should care :P
stiff smelt
aphros curse is also really great upgraded
dusky drum
but with per say athena, i have deflect, which is still busted
woeful stirrup
Deflect is good, that's why Athena is still valid despite all the flaws she has compared to Aphrodite. But Aphrodite is nothing to scoff at.
green sable
i never scoffed at any its just for my style of play lol
stiff smelt
aphro being slightly weaker than athena doesnt mean much when athena is one of the strongest gods in the game lol
stiff smelt
best dash, deflect op, dd restoration
green sable
thats how i won the first time arti
dusky drum
arti with hera
is dumb
btw
and demeter is great with the chill
i dont see aphro as good
or dio
woeful stirrup
Zeus is usually the worst god, as you need to focus on him to make him good, and a lot of aspects don't synergize with him. Chiron special only has one thunder arrow, for example.
stiff smelt
zeus is meh cause his damage is flat so it doesnt work well if you have a strong base attack
e.g. triple bomb rockets
versed ibex
I was surprised at how helpful chill was against the final boss
dusky drum
i feel like they rely on good duos which i never get
stiff smelt
plus i just really dislike his cast
versed ibex
I did a guan yu run with attack chill and didn't use a single death defiance all run
stiff smelt
if a cast doesnt let me lodge it in an enemy, then it better be really good like tipsy shot
woeful stirrup
Demeter is pretty great. Good curse, good damage.
stiff smelt
zeus makes it a nuisance to lodge your cast stones
dusky drum
i dont really use cast unless im doing posiedon aspect or hera
versed ibex
(also FINALLY got the Poseidon/Demeter duo, it was great at clearing styx)
unborn trellis
you should, its another easy +50% damage, panda
stoic crest
cast by itself is 50% damage for the next 10 seconds or so
I mean I sometimes skip out on cast-enhancing boons specifically to keep this
dusky drum
i only ever really use it for bosses, but then i see very little reason to use it in norml rooms
stoic crest
even armored enemies or mini bosses?
dusky drum
for mini's i do
gaunt hinge
i play aphro cast only on poseidon aspect
stiff smelt
some are really good crowd cleaners too
untold widget
im just in the habit of popping off a cast at a boss even if i dont have a boon, cause you literally start facing them
stiff smelt
i actually really like posei cast on posei aspect
stiff smelt
the one good thing about him lmao
dusky drum
i never saw his cast as good
versed ibex
When you're in a small room with a lot of enemies....
stiff smelt
really good on any weapon lacking crowd control
not good on hera since knockback is wonky with it
versed ibex
tbh I think there's stuff to like about all the gods
gaunt hinge
versed ibex
wow
gaunt hinge
I did 600 damage per hit 
untold widget
niiice
dusky drum
now im having flashbacks to my 1000+ artemis cast hera aspect
untold widget
only missing, what, flurry cast i guess?
stoic crest
jesus
stiff smelt
flurry cast and exit wounds
gaunt hinge
Yeah I guess just flurry cast
dusky drum
300 per cast, 100 per dislodge
stoic crest
just imagine having Artemis' cast that can crit 😂
untold widget
duo cast is also great
green sable
ive not found exit wounds.....when does arti give it?
stiff smelt
tier 2 boon i think
gaunt hinge
I tried doing artemis/aphro combo, but couldn't get double cast, exit wounds and all the other shenanigans in a single build
game hates me
dusky drum
how rare are duos because i never get them
green sable
i only got 2 so far
stiff smelt
not at all rare
gaunt hinge
not really rare if you have the prerequisite boons
dusky drum
oof
versed ibex
You need all the prereqs
stiff smelt
if youve gotten a few boons from a good you have a good chance getting it with another god
i usually always get athena for divine dash
versed ibex
But after that it's still luck
stiff smelt
and i use artemis/aphro a lot
dusky drum
then im just unlucky as hell
stiff smelt
i almost always get offered deadly reversal every run
untold widget
two runs in a row i got the legendary and duo boon for a god when i didnt have either fated yet
it hurt to have to pick
stiff smelt
legendary is harder to get imo
green sable
gonna try to win with the rail...again...pray for me
dusky drum
and i nwas doing rail
stoic crest
just fought Hydra with Delta Chamber Railgun + Unhealthy fixation
and I swear the hydra spent more time charmed than not
stiff smelt
lmaoo
green sable
lol
stoic crest
15% change when you have such a high rate of fire is a pretty big deal tbh
can you charm the final boss? 😂
stiff smelt
i think so
sacred folio
IIRC you can. Charmed Hades will wander around for a bit without attacking you.
gaunt hinge
you definitely can
stiff smelt
makes it soo easy
stoic crest
that's kinda busted
stiff smelt
esp with a rail
green sable
got tempest flourish and i love all this knocking things around
stoic crest
oh man
torpid abyss
So how do you feel about the new boons
stoic crest
unhealthy fixation is amazing
torpid abyss
Cuz personally Demeter feels busted
stoic crest
I really gotta ask the tough question after this boss fight
whose side was asterius on? 😂
I've liked what I've seen of demeter so far but I haven't seen every boon yet
so holding judgment right now
stoic crest
the one where after 10 stacks, it blows up plus some of the basic ones
unfortunately I had really poor stacking capacity so I couldn't put it to good use
raven badge
demeters upgrade boon is a bit busted
torpid abyss
A bit?
green sable
dino's premium vintage is nice if you constantly find necturs it keeps upping my max health lol
torpid abyss
If you get it at the temple of styx, you WILL get all boons affected to heroic
atomic mist
Agreed, it's way too good right now
torpid abyss
It's hard to balance it
Because if you use it, chances are it affects non heroic boons
atomic mist
I reckon it'll just get removed/replaced
torpid abyss
And even if you end up with less dps, you keep status and such which in the end gives you enough dps
Idk if it can even be nerfed
Even if they up it to 4 encounters per upgrade
Maybe make it so it upgrades one boon at a time?
atomic mist
Or make it so that it doesn't upgrade up to heroic
torpid abyss
It's hard since it's "unlimited" scaling
That's a solid nerf as well
And it ain't enough to make it suck cuz you can use it to reroll boons
rancid shore
If they decide to rework it completely, they could make it so Poms affect two(?) boons randomly instead of getting to choose
torpid abyss
But yeah i don't like to have an instapick boon
Maybe everytime one or more boons level up, another one levels up as well
rancid shore
That seems pretty solid honestly
atomic mist
Poms need a rework anyway imo. I basically never take them unless I have to.
rancid shore
remember when support fire was nerfed to like 8 or 9 with barely any scaling
bad times for that one
torpid abyss
Levelling up a boon once can be neglectable compared to getting a boon or even a heart
atomic mist
Yeah, you said it way better than I did
torpid abyss
And chances are you can only level up the boon you want a couple times each run if you get many of em
gaunt hinge
poms are quite good when you level a boon from lvl 1 to lvl 2, after that it gets hit quite hard with diminishing returns
torpid abyss
Scaling issues yes
rancid shore
2 to 3 is still p okay
torpid abyss
Maybe of there was a mirror upgrade?
timber temple
Unless you get the “greater” pom and gain +2 levels
atomic mist
That's not a bad idea
stoic crest
aaaaand hades defeated
torpid abyss
Like, if you get something else on top of your boons levels
gaunt hinge
ah you meant that scaling, I thought you meant rarity scaling (common to rare, rare to epic etc)
stoic crest
yeah, unhealthy fixation is really busted with rail
torpid abyss
Like "gain X based on your boon's extra level"
green sable
ive not found that boon yet
stoic crest
asterius chunked tesephius for a third of his health with one swing
rancid shore
rarity scaling is good though
green sable
doesnt ares give it?
rancid shore
getting a rarity up is basically like a free pom every time you level up
atomic mist
Aphro legendary?
torpid abyss
Rarity up is better tbh
stoic crest
Yup, aphro legendary
green sable
the posid special is real nice
gaunt hinge
ye penguins cause there are only 4 rarities, with poms you can get to lvl 10 if you invest hard enough
torpid abyss
Since all level ups afterwads will be better
gaunt hinge
good thing i got to lvl 11
atomic mist
Was the crashing issue of that boon fixed? Charmed Theseus made my game crash twice
gaunt hinge
atomic mist
Specifically the ||Extreme measures Theseus||
timber temple
Hell of the accuracy he has too
torpid abyss
Holy cow that cast looks strong
rancid shore
i'm colorblind which one is that
torpid abyss
Heroic
timber temple
Red
gaunt hinge
heroic aphro
rancid shore
wow that seems really good
torpid abyss
Still weaker than lvl 1 aprho cast with demeter oncast
stoic crest
"I'm colorblind, which one is it?"
"red"
LOL
gaunt hinge
ye i nuked the final boss with 240/330hp with all 3 death defiances left
timber temple
Do you guys use Chaos gates at all?
stoic crest
frequently, yes
torpid abyss
Yeah
atomic mist
Often
rancid shore
as much as i can if i'm not hunting a boon
stoic crest
pretty much all the time unless I'm already in Elisyum and I'm not very confident
torpid abyss
Good stuff, i only skip them when the room has a reward like double boon
stoic crest
but if I'm in tartarus or asphodel, it's pretty much a guaranteed option
atomic mist
||Cosmic Egg|| is such a good relic to start with
timber temple
Do you take the -21 hp penalty or keep the egg on you?
rancid shore
i don't run with egg because whenever i do chaos never shows up for some RNGods forsaken reason
atomic mist
"Take no damage from Chaos gates. Chaos gates rarely show up"
timber temple
At most i keep it with me till i beat tartarus and then i switch so something else
torpid abyss
Peasants, i play with Butterfly
timber temple
Considering healing can occasionally be hard to come by (if you’re as dumb as me and step on traps) i think ||Nyx shroud|| is a way to go
gaunt hinge
every time I play with butterfly I get hit, but when I don't I play flawlessly
rancid shore
idk man one of the companions is really good for healing in a tight spot
atomic mist
I rarely use the butterfly anymore. Taking dumb damage feels so, so much worse.
atomic mist
OT but that's a great pfp. Good taste
gaunt hinge
you too friend
timber temple
I think the charm that gives you 3% chance to drop heals from urns has always been a bad option
atomic mist
Oh that's dirty
gaunt hinge
oh my
stoic crest
I wish I had had a better form of hangover outside dyo's aid
green sable
ive not found 3 of those boons yet
stoic crest
the dash was really weak, but at least it allowed me to trigger the 50% damage boost from double status effects
but still, I enjoyed this run
timber temple
Hmm ... using shackles (environmental damage)
sacred folio
Yes. It's 3 / 4 / 5 according to the wiki
rancid shore
I wouldn't trust the wiki
atomic mist
Has the wiki been updated recently?
rancid shore
parts of it are very out of date
sacred folio
In this case you can trust it. It's 3 / 4 / 5.
timber temple
It seems that it only triggers on the area bosses only though 😐
faint sonnet
timber temple
I.E. Meg/Hydra/Theseus/Hades
stoic crest
so quick question
fluid moat
Hahaha oh my god that aphro dio combination is beautiful
stoic crest
if attack damage boosts affect dash attack also
do dash-attack damage boosts stack on top of those?
fluid moat
Additively yes
fluid moat
But dash attack is for that specific animation or state of a dash attack, and don’t apply to things like charge spin or normal attacks
So like dashing out of a charge spin will not prod dash attack bonuses
rancid shore
oh hey you're the laugh guy
fluid moat
Wow you laugh too!! Hello fellow laughing person 😯
timber temple
rancid shore
I loved your Yavin run in AGDQ this year! It was so fun to watch
stoic crest
I actually wanted to see hades at agdq this year
timber temple
What is agdq?
stoic crest
Awesome Games Done Quick, yearly speedrunning event that takes place for a week in the beginning of january
rancid shore
for charity as well
stoic crest
oh, yes
every bit of donated money goes to charity
every year they rack up a few millions
timber temple
Speed running is a whole another can of worms in and of itself. It’s amazing to watch but I’ll never pull it off myself
sacred folio
Probably won't happen any time soon since the game is still in active development
green sable
Theres one fellow who speedruns this game alot.
he's on YT
while i personally won't bother
its nice to see the game get wrecked so quick lol
thick sedge
haelian?
patent tiger
A race would be interesting to see if there was ever a way to match the seeds.
covert grove
👋
stoic crest
wish me luck for my fifth consecutive victory 🙏
not very confident but here's hoping
get murdered, Hades 😄
green sable
GL hun
stoic crest
I guess I was stronger than I thought
green sable
im still trying to win with the rail.
stoic crest
rail is fighting spear for my favorite weapon tbh
stoic crest
but spear probably wins, there's just something so satisfying about attacking, dashing into a charge attack, then dash again as you unleash the max charged into a gigantic area
for rail you mean?
green sable
ya
stoic crest
which ones have you gotten?
green sable
mostly the triple bomb..then the delta one
cluster bomb
and just once...unlimited ammo
then this last run i got the +1 to hit uninterupted
and thats it
So far thats all i got offered
now i know theres more but i didn't get it offered
rare salmon
Does Artemis' Dual Shot do anything with Demeter's Cast?
@burnt wagon I think it makes your pushback effects deal more damage to bosses. It's bugged in non-English languages.
It might just be flat boss damage?
burnt wagon
oh thx
fierce iron
Correct
rare salmon
Here it is, from the patch notes: "Boons with knock-away deal bonus damage to bosses"
patent tiger
I still need to complete a Heat 0 with Stygian Blade, Shield of Chaos, and Adamant Rail. I made it to heat 6 with the Spear and Bow.
naive tusk
I recommend Chill attack for the blade. Makes hitting-dodging way easier
turbid arch
@burnt wagon They added a new Poseidon boon in one of the recent updates that increases the damage of your knockback effects against bosses. My wild guess is that you are looking at that boon.
@rare salmon Dual Shot gives you two cristals to fire lasers I think
patent tiger
The one I'd aim for with Poseidon Aspect is Artemis' cast. Unless there is a more ideal cast.
stray frigate
what about Aphro cast?
low range is good cus u still want to be close with the sword
and she has very good damage too
and Weak helps in melee combat
hollow sorrel
Ranged casts make small chariots much faster for the sword
If you’re on a tight deadline, then trying to run all the small chariots into walls can take too long
stray frigate
The moment you go with Chaos aspect and Bouldy gives you Special Damage
isnt he best girl after all?
atomic panther
Bouldy is the best character in the game and that is a FACT
Sisyphus comes a close second
stray frigate
Cerberus is 300% best boy
fallow niche
Poseidon Sword > Chaos Shield CONFIRMED 😂
atomic panther
Cerberus is good but Cerberus does not give you boons so sadly he is not in the lead
lament coral
@fallow niche did you do 32 with the bow?
fallow niche
Current patch WR speedrun is with Poseidon Sword #gottem
and yeah a while ago @lament coral
lament coral
what did you use?
lament coral
even with blue shields?
lament coral
I tried doing Chiron with Artemis special and it was so miserable
fallow niche
yeah thats a trap
lament coral
Hades' vases killed me
fallow niche
it only works well on 0-10 heat
unless of course you get aphro on primary and get their duo
lament coral
I just can't get attack and special statuses in the same run with Chiron
dusky drum
i want to try a chiron run, what would be good??
fallow niche
artemis special if you're not on high heat
try and get aphrodite on attack
and get their duo
stray frigate
@dusky drum Aphro attack and Dio/Ares/Arte special
dusky drum
kk
fallow niche
ares special is a bit meh
stray frigate
in all builds u want duo
fallow niche
not always
stray frigate
and for ares is need 2 more boons
stray frigate
@fallow niche i mean about builds i said earlier
fallow niche
Ah
tru
@dusky drum The perfect run would be Artemis special > Aphro attack > Athena dash, and then you get both of the Artemis duos with Athena and Aphrodite
For Chiron
stray frigate
@dusky drum Dio is just easiest and strongest imo
but for Chiron there are always 2 more boon u want
Hermes for faster special
cus it's SO slow and cantbe cancelled
and of course more arrows from special
dusky drum
kk
also what damage is the bull rush for achilles aspect deal
special damage??
or basic
fallow niche
no, attack or cast
stray frigate
bull rush is shield
dusky drum
oof
stray frigate
not achiles
dusky drum
i mean the achilles aspect thing
manic ermine
The achilles dash is special damage
dusky drum
kk
fallow niche
The Achilles Aspect spear gives attack and cast damage
stray frigate
lol i just got almost all boons in 1st floor without god trinkets
manic ermine
Good with the non lodge casts
stray frigate
Athena dash Dio special and Aphro attack
now i want poms and Duo
and Euro can help with Heroic poison
really euridice??? Dash and attack?
serene nexus
I’ll take dash and attack. Unless you’re running Chiron in that case RIP
stray frigate
Chaos shield
woeful stirrup
Heroic Dio is just the equivalent of a pom, though.
stray frigate
not 2?
woeful stirrup
So not much use. Better to have a rarity upgrade on something with a percentage increase, because they're usually multipliers.
Blight Flourish goes from 7 damage to 8.
native ether
It didn't take too long to get all the mirror stuff I cared about on a fresh save, and now it's really demotivating when Tart rooms & Charon slots are eaten up by the stuff. Fated Authority has value for me because it lets me eliminate unavoidable Darkness rooms. If Darkness eats up too mamy early Charon/rooms, I'm likely to consider scuttling the run by standing in lava in Asphodel.
I would be super excited by more contractor options to make Darkness slightly more flexible! ```
While Darkness can eat up Charon item slots, i don't think it can eat up rooms. I'm pretty sure the number of blue and gold rooms you get per biome are fixed. (Blue is resources, gold is run effects like boons) Though I would need to confirm that.
naive cobalt
I've never felt like I got too much darkness to win
Especially now that it boosts health
woeful stirrup
Yep, that's how it works. You can't get too many gold rooms per biome. And as it goes, darkness is a pretty good blue item. A reroll is nice but can backfire, 20 gold is not much, nectar is rare and affects a random boon, usually one you don't use because the game hates you, darkness gives you 5 health. It's not much, but still a fifth of a heart.
stray frigate
and gold become even more uselless when u lvlup prices with heat(
torpid abyss
Darkness is mostly offputting because there is a set limit to how much darkness you can use at all times
There is a point in every save ever where darkness becomes just some extra hp
woeful stirrup
If you reached that set limit, you've played a whole lot. Over 150 runs and I nearly got the 10k reroll.
torpid abyss
I'm sitting at 7.5k darkness rn
woeful stirrup
And it's pretty much the same for gems, nectar or keys. Sure, you can trade them. But at some point, you're not gonna need blood, diamonds or ambrosia anymore.
stray frigate
gems 99% for them
torpid abyss
Gems get you decorations, which although useless, are still a nice thing to dump gems on once you run out of stuff to upgrade
stray frigate
same as Diamonds
torpid abyss
I feel capping the mirror should give something to all the darkness you get afterwards
It sucks to have a currency that becomes objectively a worse centaur heart at some point
stray frigate
what wrong with hearts?
torpid abyss
Nothing?
I'm saying that darkness, if you take the currency for mirror aside, is a worse heart
rancid shore
if you're disregarding outside run stuff, darkness is better than gemstones
1/5 a heart vs 1/6 a heart
torpid abyss
Maybe
But gemstones grant gold in general
The versatility you get from that isn't to be taken lightly
torpid abyss
Every penny counts tho
But well, i'm talking more about darkness itself
As, the actual stuff you pick up
stray frigate
@rancid shore uhhhh i remeber when i exit the room and see golden urn in the angle while exit animation already playing
torpid abyss
Maybe it could get the Gem treatment and get some unlockable cosmetics?
rancid shore
man gznm i do that all the time, it makes me sad
dusky drum
a sound affect plays when you clear a room then there is a slight glow in a pool of something
stray frigate
@dusky drum not clean but clean and claim reward iirc
olive sand
I unlocked a new aspect for the spear (Guan Yu), and I have no idea how. Can someone enlighten me on that matter?
torpid abyss
Task failed successfully
thick sedge
think just from talking to achilles?
dusky drum
yea
olive sand
Task failed?
dusky drum
taljk to him then select the spear aspect then you get it
olive sand
To who? Achilles?
stray frigate
he already have it
torpid abyss
A fish has fallen into the river in Hades city
olive sand
Yep, already have it. I was just wondering myself where it comes from, since I did nothing special. ^^
dusky drum
@olive sand yea, talk to achilles then look at the spear aspects
thats how you got it
olive sand
Okay! Thanks.
dusky drum
np