i remember that people used to use artemis hunting blades with ares cast
#h1-builds-and-combat
kind cloud
lament coral
why would it work with Demeter cast?
quaint wind
The deployment
stoic crest
question
lament coral
Artemis has her own duo for the Demeter cast
kind cloud
i guess i was hoping there was some kind of duo boon with demeter and artemis
quaint wind
There is
lament coral
there is
kind cloud
@lament coral what is it?
dense locust
Wow really?
stoic crest
do % damage increase boons stack on top of your current ones, or do they apply to your current attack damage?
lament coral
much faster tracking and increase beam damage
stoic crest
like, I already have significant attack damage boosts
now I got urge to kill (+10% on attack, cast and special)
I'm wondering how significant this will be
dense locust
so artemis/demeter cast build is strong?
kind cloud
but am i alone in being upset about ares' damage getting knocked down?
lament coral
@stoic crest it's additive, so if your attack does a 100 damage and you have a +20% damage boon and a +50% damage boon, you'll be doing 100 + 20 + 50 = 170
kind cloud
btw, aphrodite cast scales up quickly with poms
kind cloud
only other pom that i've seen scale up quickly with poms is dionysus festive fog
lament coral
yeah, though there are some exceptions to this
kind cloud
with the about 3-4 poms, i can get aphrodite cast to around 250+
300 on a great (re: lucky) build
lament coral
like Privileged Status mirror upgrade, that increases all damage enemies take by 50%
dense locust
Playing right now, just got demeter/posiedon duo cast
kind cloud
i hate poseidon, can't stand that guy
lament coral
oh yeah, I didn't like that one either
it pushes enemies away, so the bonus damage misses most of the time
kind cloud
i basically do the hades version of swiping left on him every time shows up
lament coral
I was doing more damage with the regular Poseidon cast than with the duo
quaint wind
Uff
dense locust
dang, gonna get it regardless for the prophecy
kind cloud
he can take his razor shoals and take a hike back to atlantis
lament coral
I'm only missing Demeter/Zeus duo now
kind cloud
guy is useless - U-S-E-L-E-S-S - against bosses
even with razor shoals
just not worth it
lament coral
he's useless in general
damage is lower than Aphrodite's, knockback is often a downside outside of Styx
cause it pushes enemies away, making you walk after em
kind cloud
his dash can be useful with razor shoals for slam damage but it's gotta scale up
otherwise, yeah, i can't stand him
he used to be better before health got taken away from him added to aphrodite iirc
lament coral
he used to buff HP?
lament coral
ah, Life Affirmation?
kind cloud
yeah, something like that
his epic tier health buff boon used to give around 60% iirc
so if you could string together some hearts and/or purchase them, you could end up with like 600 health
and that was back when people could stack death defiances too
i remember i had a build that was like 520ish health with like 7 death defiances
lulz,
TANK!!!
but now the max death defiances possible are 4 (with skelly's keepsake as the added one)
lament coral
it's actually 5
kind cloud
is it? athena?
lament coral
3 from the mirror, skelly, and chaos
kind cloud
chaos? really? I've never gotten that
kind cloud
i tried taking athena death defiance when i was full with 3 and it did nothing - i was super salty about that (supergiant should've had a blurb about how taking that boon adds nothing)
lament coral
yeah, that's true
kind cloud
basically wasted a boon
lament coral
though it says "refill" it could be made a bit clearer
kind cloud
agree
fringe rampart
Ever since the last patch I am getting boons from gods I have no boons of in the temple of styx. Is anyone else having this same issue? I have completed 10+ runs since latest patch. This has made getting duo boons pretty difficult and is starting to get annoying.
lament coral
like, if you try to buy a DD charge from the well, it just doesn't let you
dense locust
Oh god the blizzard shot is awful
if the enemy moves at all it does nearly nothing
Yeah, just being clear on wording and perhaps anticipating some easy confusion and explicitly mentioning it would be awesome
burnt rune
Uh so was this posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TZJbT1sQyA
marble ridge
I was originally gonna post the original but I thought that me might be a cheater
marble ridge
I think that was just my doubt lol
woven hill
Hey, does the potency of Nourished Soul (healing effects are more potent) affect Quick Recovery (dash to restore some health after getting hit) and Last Stand (recover a Death Defiance and have Death Defiance recover more health)?
Or just food and troves?
lament coral
well, it affects even mirror's Cthonic Vitality
though truth be told, I've only taken QR once and didn't even notice its effect proc
woven hill
Tried fighting Hades and I didn't seem to get more health than normal after dying
Can't say much about QR since I was too focused on the fight
lament coral
do you remember what your max HP was and the boon's bonus?
woven hill
I believe I was at 200, and they were all epic apart from QR which was common.
manic dune
that video above looks like it used cheats or exploits
How does he have adamant arrowhead with the effects of broken spearpoint
it's obvious from the very beginning lol
prolly godmode
mild crag
@manic dune you play on hell mode right?
left timber
That's just the normal damage immunity thing
If a certain percentage of your health gets knocked off
mild crag
He's getting the damage immunity thing which the unique hell mode condition prevents
pastel jolt
yup, that's the mercy invincibility kicking in
naive tusk
I thought Theseus would get the aid of the God whose boon you didn’t acquire but Artemis assisted him while I had more than 1 of her boons
People were mentioning that yesterday, I think
manic dune
people speculate a lot
naive tusk
The problem is when they say it as if it were a fact
manic dune
it's sometimes chinese whispers
naive tusk
Just thought I would clarify that, just in case 🙂
manic dune
btw have you run into demeter's aid for theseus
manic dune
that one is the worst hands down imo
naive tusk
Lots of circles appear in the arena
manic dune
it restricts your movement a lot
naive tusk
It sure does!
mild crag
I hope to never see it!
naive tusk
So far I’ve seen it once, but then again I haven’t played it as much as others
manic dune
it's not unplayable, it's just requires more interaction than the other
you have to pay attention and follow the pattern
manic dune
you can't just dash to the other side and be fine
woven hill
Horrifying
naive tusk
It wasn’t too hard for me to avoid, she gives you around 2-3 seconds before the circles explode
They appear, then detonate but she fills the room with them in patterns haha
manic dune
ugh my dusa and meg still don't want to push their dialogue forward
at this point i'm almost certain they're just bugged
naive tusk
Reminded me of the Shiva fight from Final Fantasy 14
Maybe they got inspired from that? 😮
naive tusk
Yeah, pretty cool and fun personally 😄
manic dune
idk when you see ground effects on bosses this is kinda what you expect
naive tusk
(Just make sure you don’t dash recklessly or boom lol)
manic dune
rather than the other ones
naive tusk
Aphrodite’s Wrath feels harder for me
I took a lot of damage thinking her damage would be delayed but it’s really fast
untold widget
friendship ended with chaos shield, now poseidon sword is my friend
sterile lark
I don't know if the question should be asked here (so tell me if I should repost somewhere else pls ) but here it is, I'd like to know how you can gather the componenet to upgrade (and changing the aspect) of weapons, so far I got 5 but I cannot seem to gain more (I didn't beat hades yet, I reached him a couple of times but always failed so far )
karmic coyote
that's a shame because you need to beat hades first
sterile lark
damn, I will need to git gud then I guess
untold widget
give it your best shot!
sterile lark
thanks for the reply
teal laurel
what's the best weapon to meme with lambent plume
untold widget
probably sword? thats just my gut
karmic coyote
Zag sword of course
teal laurel
sure?
turbid needle
Started a new game. I am enjoying the use of contractors to renovate the underworld.
astral fjord
holy crap demeter/zeus shreds asterius minotaur fight
i think that was easier than hunting blades against them lol
extreme measures fight tho, i bet it wouldnt be as good on regular asterius
manic dune
ugh doing a 32 heat run will take some attempts D:
astral fjord
the styx rewards are weird
it always gives me boons from gods i dont have a boon of
used 5 rerolls and got athena/ares/aphrodite even though i only have artemis/zeus/demeter all run long
wtf
gusty dagger
Anyone know the interaction of Wave Pounding and poseidon's legendary boon?
floral ravine
Okay, I joined the feedback thing but I'm not sure if it's the proper place to suggest an Art gallery. But it looks like the suggestions thread is only taking hammer upgrade suggestions. Maybe that just means they are no longer interested in suggestions like what I have, since it's so late in development
floral ravine
alright, thanks for your help
floral ravine
thanks!
rocky mica
Is Demeter ´working´ properly? Gotten to see her after I finished 1 run. Haven't seen her at all in a dozen runs after.
slender basin
Lets play a little game of "Bug or feature"
I had a chaos boon of "no gold > +1 cast"
I took literally one encounter later, a boon of no gold > max hp
I lost the +1 cast boon
manic dune
try going to the next room if you haven't
chaos boons disappear in the room you get them
then reappear in the next one
i know it sounds stupid, but that's because it is
and if it's gone F10 it
full flame
also, i've had multiple instances where identical "boons" overlap each other; like if you buy two of the same thing from charon well. So that might be it too
slender basin
yup it worked itself out
teal laurel
I've had instances where the game doesn't give me an attack boon
despite not having one
but giving me a pre existing boon I already have
Like my dash
fallow niche
Oh yeah we've been talking about that a lot since the update
I've had about a dozen runs now without seeing a single attack boon
Its... weird to say the least
naive tusk
It happens to me as well to the point where I get an attack boon as soon as I see one because I think I won’t get a chance again in the same run 😂
native ether
I've had runs where it took me 6 or 7 Aphrodite boons to just offer attack
Bad luck does happen. Just kinda part of the game. It's RNG after all.
rocky mica
Yea, this new "room/boon" system is quite dreadfull. ;p
RNG yes, but this is becoming more annoying then fun.
native ether
As far as I can tell, nothing has changed. If something changes, it's pretty much always in the patch notes. SGG is very meticulous about it.
Roguelikes aren't necessarily designed to have every run be "beatable". Part of the fun is adapting to a constantly shifting variable set. If I had a nickel for every time I landed bad weapons in Gungeon or Dead Cells I'd be able to buy a Nintendo Switch.
rocky mica
If it stays fun yea. Feels like utility boons pop up more then attack ones. And it just feels like I get gold rewards of health rewards more often in a row then before. Where it was more spread out with god powers in between. Or its due to Godmode but I would asume that be the same systemwise.
And other people have said the same thing. Quite a coincidence then.
native ether
Although only a dev can say for sure if something changes, SGG has a very good track record of not stealth changing things. Basically everything is in the patch notes (with the exception of something "rescaled lots of boons, too many to count, so no specifics")
I highly doubt anything has actually changed. It's just that since there's now more people playing the game, there's more people getting bad rng, and then thus there's more people complaining about bad rng and making each other think something changed. :p
Tldr- SGG has never stealth changed something in 13 months. I don't think they would start now.
rocky mica
Well I felt it before I came to the chat. ;p I just wanna play less now. ;o
faint sonnet
I mean the patch notes are all there
green birch
If something is making the game not fun for you even if it’s just bad RNG that is still worth reporting in #hades-feedback !
Who knows, maybe other players are feeling that too
faint sonnet
^ this is true, that's the point of the channel, for feedback
native ether
^ true. There's potential for some good mechanics to offset poor rng.
turbid needle
If you bump the heat gage past what you currently need for bounties like if you put it to 5 when the bounty only needs 3 would you still get the bounty rewards from 3 heat and go to 4 heat next or does it jump to 5 heat?
karmic coyote
The former
turbid needle
Thanks 
karmic coyote
Np
feral wagon
can some1 post bigger version of this image?
green birch
feral wagon
ty mate
formal basin
Just got lucky enough to get quick and massive spin with Guan Yu. This is nice.
fallow niche
@rocky mica @green birch @native ether I put it in #hades-feedback since we basically talk about this every day.
Someone had to do it
Also @native ether you say you're for something that could offset poor RNG with some new mechanic but you're also apparently against this? 🤔
native ether
I said that there can be mechanics. But I'm not particularly interested in them. Runs where I don't see attack/special boons aren't very common. I think people tend to remember poor experiences more than the times they say get Hunting Blades by Meg.
fallow niche
I have rarely ever gotten Hunting Blades by meg
rocky mica
Well those poor experiences are all lumped together over the last few days by chance.
;p
fallow niche
probably 2-3 times total
Over 130 runs
I have gotten nearly 15 runs with no attack boons so far
native ether
I've gotten it multiple times. But that's just one example.
fallow niche
That's way too high
rocky mica
@fallow niche Ty, just felt a bit off for me. e.g. Last run I had 2 gold reward rooms in a row. Just feels like I didn't have that before.
fallow niche
About a dozen of my no attack boon runs are post-update
rocky mica
and then 1 darkness and then 2 health afterwards
fallow niche
You can have subsequent rooms like that @rocky mica
That's normal
But when I see tons of boons and no attacks from any god its nuts
And they all want to replace my dash
native ether
If you're getting a run with no attack boon consistently, it's probably a good idea for at least that run to adapt your strategy.
fallow niche
That's not necessarily how you play the game optimally though
rocky mica
Your strategy becomes "takes ages to kill bosses".
fallow niche
You take all the boons that synergize with the build you're going for early
Even if you don't get the attack
Since the chance you never get it is so low
rocky mica
Is Demeter showing up consisntly for people? Haven't seen her in a dozen runs since the first.
fallow niche
But if you truly do never get it, then the game is simply not fun
Its frustrating fighting Styx and Hades with no damage
Don't get me started with Elysium
There is no reason to have bad RNG for bad RNG's sake
native ether
You take the boons for the synergy you want but you don't plan around it being guaranteed. It's a Roguelike. You can't guarantee anything.
fallow niche
The runs aren't uncompletable, they're just a slog and poo
faint sonnet
me when I get literally any Zeus boon
rocky mica
Well it shouldn't be complete random either.
fallow niche
Except I have like 8 rerolls thanks to Fated Authority and I get more in the run!
You can nearly guarantee most general build ideas
I can't always get Hunting Blades, but not getting an attack boon?
native ether
Like I can't guarantee I get Spread Shot and Explosive Fire with all of my hammers. So I don't necessarily plan on it.
fallow niche
Like ANY attack boon?
Like what?
That's a completely different level of what the heck
You get two hammers, not even close comparison @native ether
Over a dozen boons and no attack boon is not something that should occur
naive tusk
The Gods stick their tongues out to you 
lament coral
@faint sonnet try Zeus attack rail
fallow niche
It doesn't make the game more interesting
rocky mica
I had zeus on special and that was it with first boss.
lament coral
it's my favorite rail setup
fallow niche
Just because RNG can be bad doesn't mean it should be that bad
RNG for RNG's sake just ain't good game design
lament coral
I don't like Zeus special
rocky mica
Yea e.g. With chaos boons I feel there should be at least some guaranteed general choices. Something offensenvive/defensive or such.
fallow niche
Chaos I think is fine for the most part
He is literally Chaos after all
But general boons like attack boons is something else
native ether
I'm confused on why it's not a close comparison. The point I'm attempting to make is that Hades is a Roguelike and Roguelikes are by design, random. I can't guarantee a perfect run in Hades anymore than I can guarantee a perfect run in Gungeon. Part of the draw of the genre is that the randomness forces a player to be adaptable in all situations, because you can't guarantee an ideal condition.
naive tusk
Chaos is my best buddy 
rocky mica
Roguelike doens't mean all randomness is good.
hollow sorrel
There is supposed to be bad luck protection, to ensure the games are playable/winnable
lament coral
@native ether I've had runs with no attack boons the entire game
that ok?
that the "randomness"?
native ether
So have I. I swapped to a special or cast build.
fallow niche
Its not a close comparison because there are ~12 hammer upgrades and you see two hammers ever in a run - boons are something you see plentiful amounts of and are the core part of Hades gameplay
rocky mica
And saying "adapt" where in reality it means spend 10 minutes to kill a boss isn't fun.
lament coral
cause I'd use a different word for that
native ether
There are plenty of builds in this game that are strong enough to defeat bosses quickly without relying on a specific attack boon.
hollow sorrel
It is incredibly poor game design, to have game choices like tight deadline, but cause a notable percentage of those games be not winnable, due to bad RNG
naive tusk
@lament coral Try “handicap” lol
rocky mica
@native ether It's called the standard autoattack build yea...
native ether
I agree but that's an issue with Tight Deadline specifically
fallow niche
Just because previous Roguelikes have poo runs doesn't mean every future Roguelike (or Roguelite) should also have poo runs
deep lodge
the rng is what makes this game replayable & endlessly fun for me. you're literally putting your fates in the hands of the gods. 
fallow niche
The point of Hades isn't that its a brutal Roguelike that doesn't compromise
Its not Nita
lament coral
I didn't pick an aspect that is designed to be used with an attack/special/cast and then not have an attack/special/cast the entire game
gray lodge
Because nearly every roguelike has some form of guarantees. Like this game always has the same bosses. You're always guaranteed a charon shop b4 boss. Either an attack or special boon is something that should be guaranteed to happen after first/2nd boon in ashpodel.
lament coral
I am already handicapped, I'm playing on 18 heat on hell
naive tusk
The Gods demand moar!
fallow niche
Hades isn't trying to be even close to those other games in design
native ether
Guess it's time for me to break out the ol "cast build time"
fallow niche
Its not even remotely close in difficulty either
lament coral
I don't want to play cast
rocky mica
Well thats nice. If I even got casts as an option.
hollow sorrel
We’re not even arguing that we want a specific attack boon every run. We’re arguing that ANY attack boon should be guaranteed
rocky mica
Or normal attack, or special.
fallow niche
And Cast builds rely so hard on internal synergy that suddenly going for one by Elysium isn't realistic.
native ether
And that's perfectly fine. There's a feedback post on it and people can upvote if they agree! I just happen to not agree.
grizzled citrus
Try God Mode
hollow sorrel
I got a Chiron bow to biome 3 mini-boss before I was able to get ANY special boon, and the modifier on that boon was like +90% damage, so imagine how much slower the game was without it
lament coral
I can't use god mode on hell
fallow niche
That has nothing to do with RNG bruh @grizzled citrus
lament coral
it's literally disabled
gray lodge
Boss
grizzled citrus
Really makes you feel like you're having a good run
hollow sorrel
I’m not even sure what god mode does
lament coral
gives damage resistance that increases each time you die
hollow sorrel
Interesting
fallow niche
Yeah that doesn't really solve the fact that you can have a run with no attack or special boons
Offered
Ever
Do those runs add anything to the play experience is the real question
karmic coyote
Bad runs make good runs feel more satisfying
rocky mica
Bad runs should be your fault, not the games.
fallow niche
^^^^
naive tusk
Well, let’s see how that feedback unfolds. I didn’t vote on it because I’m in a middle ground, sorry 😅
rocky mica
Yea, we'll just have to wait and see. For now it make sme want to play less.
fallow niche
Being punished for no fault of my own but the RNG's isn't fun, its just bull lol
rocky mica
And I got 100+ hours already.
teal laurel
i win runs without attack boons
naive tusk
Agree on both sides, that is
teal laurel
sometimes
turbid needle
Aren't YOU the one cranking up your heat tho? 🤔
teal laurel
well its just sometimes i want to play with specific stuff
fallow niche
I've beaten the game with no attack boon Nemesis sword before, and it wasn't fun
teal laurel
yeah
fallow niche
The RNG is there to make the game more dynamic and make getting any specific build off the floor less likely - not any build
teal laurel
ive beaten the game with only dash
wait no
yeah i was high heat there i was just shafted
so yeah i died at meg
fallow niche
Asking to replace my dash 10 times in a row is just ridiculous
hollow sorrel
I think I should always have tight deadline on. If the game doesn’t give me enough damage to beat tight deadline, the game should be ended anyway
fallow niche
I basically only got offered 2 boons from any god
teal laurel
tbh they should make it so that boons prioritize unslotted attack slots
or any of the 5
fallow niche
I don't like tight deadline because I have anxiety, but whenever I do have it on for high heat even my worse runs don't really cut it close to the timer unless its level 2
naive tusk
That actually sounds great! @teal laurel
fallow niche
You're absolutely right @teal laurel
manic dune
asterius is something else with extreme measures and forced overtime +50% >.<
hollow sorrel
Or the game where I got Demeter’s call, then she proceeded to repeatedly offer me boons that require chill to trigger, but wouldn’t offer me any other boons that could actually cause chill. So it’s like, thanks for wasting my time, Demeter?
manic dune
goddamn so much rng has to go right to do a 32 heat run
it's not even playing a game at that point, just pure luck
rocky mica
Do people actually get Demeter to spawn (a lot)? I've seen her twice in 1 run.
hollow sorrel
Her keepsake
rocky mica
Think I've done 10-15 now withou her at all.
fallow niche
@manic dune Not really, I think most 32 heat runs come directly down to skill
fallow niche
And mitigation with Fated Authority
naive tusk
That used to happen to me but now I see her quite often @rocky mica
fallow niche
I've played a fair share of 32 heat and its not that bad once you adapt yourself
rocky mica
I see all the other gods constantly but she went into complete hiding.
fallow niche
There are some youtubers who play on it a lot too
manic dune
How many 32 heat have you done on hell mode
lament coral
8
fallow niche
I don't play on Hell mode, its dumb
lament coral
^ he smart
manic dune
totally
fallow niche
I've done 13 32 heat runs successfully
manic dune
how many attempts did you take you to do 8 successful runs @lament coral
teal laurel
are more skills than luck
rocky mica
Hellmode is ok but I wish it were just a more standard 'hard' mode. ;p
teal laurel
you can only get as much boons the longer you survive
manic dune
1 out of 8 is pretty decent
fallow niche
13/17 for me
manic dune
nobody cares normie
fallow niche
Wow really?
manic dune
keke
teal laurel
13/17 is low heat ?
hollow sorrel
I’ve gotten to the final boss on a few 32 heat hell mode runs, but died to lasers going through pillars, regardless of which pillar I choose.
fallow niche
I'm fairly certain this place isn't for toxic stuff like that
manic dune
i mean you realize how much harder it is to do anything with personal liability
lament coral
I did 6 timer runs, died in 3, lost to timer in Elysium in the other 3, then did a couple no timer runs and won on the 2nd one without getting the full build
lament coral
I lost the 1st no timer run because I got greedy with Chaos
manic dune
you have calisthetics and jerry on hell
deep lodge
@hollow sorrel try giving final boss a hug when he fires his lazors
manic dune
also personal liability forces you to play much safer
lament coral
but all of these were with Chaos shield, which is not representative of how actually hard 32 heat is
naive tusk
Indeed! SGG has stated that this server is to be wholesome filled with respect and kindness 🙂
fallow niche
This is why Hell Mode ain't fun on higher heat 
Losing the Mirror is dumb
And the shotgun protection
fallow niche
Wew
manic dune
yeah getting it to 500 is a no brainer
lament coral
it wasn't that bad, and it taught me that you only need 1 DD to win
manic dune
so did you make it out with chaos shield
teal laurel
oh
manic dune
i'm trying guano but the rng has been screwing with me every time
lament coral
I stick with 1 DD everywhere now, poured the rest into boon rarity
but it's only 20% 😢
manic dune
got like 3-4 demeter boons and no rare crop
also eurydice's didn't buff my attack boon
so stuck forever at 1hp heals
lament coral
yep, had my first no spin speed GY run now
teal laurel
Lmao i finished my first clear with no DD
hollow sorrel
I’ve tried to give the boss a hug for lasers, and although it works on low heat, if you have everything cranked up to 32 heat, and if you’re evenly slightly off, then you HP bar melts in like .25 seconds
teal laurel
and only skelly
lament coral
common Artemis attack, level 5
teal laurel
but yeah i dont want to subject myself to torture
lament coral
however, I got charged special
with epic Demeter special
I was busting Hades' cheeks for 400 damage each hit
and 1600 crit
didn't even use the spin
hollow sorrel
It’s almost like I should always have a call that grants invincibility, just for the laser attack, and if the game never offers one, I should just ragequit it
fallow niche
Mirror is so important for my 32 heat runs
I need all 3 DDs
Patrolicus is the MAN
lament coral
I can believe that for the sword and bow
fallow niche
He's probably the biggest piece of RNG for 32 heat
lament coral
but GY spear, Chaos shield, and Hestia rail?
manic dune
i fell like hell mode should start at more heat
hollow sorrel
Why bother having pillars if the lasers can just beam through them?
lament coral
@manic dune so that we'd lose out on even more meta currencies?
hollow sorrel
The last 32 heat run, it was the top-left pillar too, which looks like one solid pillar
manic dune
no then the max heat would be higher
rocky mica
Well bugs can happen. Surely it'll get fixed at some point. ;p
hollow sorrel
It’s not even like the pillars on the right, where you can pretend there might be a small gap between them. This is one solid pillar
lament coral
hell players already miss out on 40 blood, 20 diamonds and ambrosias
manic dune
technically less
hollow sorrel
And the last three mirror upgrades
lament coral
that too
teal laurel
._.
manic dune
personal liability doesn't exist in normal mode
so on hell mode the max heat is 1 higher
teal laurel
i finished the game on no DD with old zag sword actually
manic dune
but good luck doing max heat run
turbid needle
Does anyone have comments on the Zag aspect of Exagryph? I find it a little underwhelming in terms of dps
lament coral
just like Zagreus sword and bow, it's just there to occupy a slot
hollow sorrel
The main benefit of hell mode, is that it doesn’t make me cringe to have budget cuts set to 2,000 darkness, because I’m used to being darkness capped all the time anyway
teal laurel
hey zag bow is good
lament coral
no
fallow niche
Personally I think Personal Liability should be added to the pact as an option and Hell Mode should have some other cool thing happen to it that is separate from anything pact related like heat
teal laurel
that 10% crit is nice
lament coral
no, it is not
lament coral
ok, that's fair
fallow niche
Having it be Hardcore doesn't make any sense for Hell Mode though
manic dune
idk why hell mode even exists tbh
teal laurel
but dont lump in zag bow with the other two
manic dune
the heat system feels janky as all hell anyway
fallow niche
Yeah it totally does
turbid needle
Like, even with attack bonuses I find the Exagryph basic attack form to be very very lacking
karmic coyote
Zag sword is the most fun tho
lament coral
I miss getting insta killed by traps tho
and Hades' vases
especially after they spawn under me and hit me
manic dune
oh yeah i love when that happens
lament coral
I grew accustomed to taking Athena's foot
teal laurel
i never take athena's foot
lament coral
now I have to break the habit because traps max out at 400%
teal laurel
and i used to meme with achilles multi skewer
manic dune
it's a must if you have +400% trap damage
teal laurel
its such a funny thing
lament coral
well, it's not really a must
manic dune
they still chunk pretty hard
lament coral
I think Hades' vases and Styx's cleavers are the only things it counters
everything else can be avoided with relative ease
teal laurel
styx cleavers are lowkey dumb
lament coral
at least little rats don't proc em, that's a relief
teal laurel
never styx cleavers
turbid needle
It's funny they don't hit where the pressure plate is haha @teal laurel
teal laurel
its never funny
dying to a spiek trap because of multi skewer achilles spear is
but never styx cleavers
fallow niche
i get chunked by styx cleavers once in a dozen runs or something
scares the daylight out of me every time
native ether
dont forget heightened security on an elysium trap
native ether
mmmm yes i didnt need that half of my life bar anyways
teal laurel
its not even satyr poisons
for some reason im good at avoiding those
never rat floor acid
so it becomes a dilemma of murdering satyrs first or rats
native ether
@olive sand what specifically did you feel like you had to look up?
More explanations about the boon mechanic and how the RNG about it works in this game. As a newcomer, I learned pretty much everything about it thanks to some Youtube videos, and it's kind of mandatory to beat this game. I would recommend to introduce some form of tutorial after a few runs maybe? Not at the start, it would be overwhelming the player I guess.
karmic coyote
Wow only half of your life bar, guess i'm the only one that ocassionally dash into giant punk arrow and just get deleted
untold widget
mm 100 damage yum
native ether
100 health is typically only half my health in Elysium :p
native ether
And this is why people have trouble in Elysium
native ether
I never recommend going to fight Theseus without at least 200 HP
I can usually get 250/275 by Theseus though.
untold widget
i once tripped into the heroic dio boon that sets your hp at a floor per encounter. at heroic its 60%. i got like 400 hp from that in elysium
karmic coyote
I usually end the run with less than 200hp 
native ether
Not just that. Elysium practically spams you with hearts
when given the choice, just pick hearts. Its not like you're using those poms or money anyways :p
lament coral
until you take that gate in Elysium and it's just a bunch of grey archers
then you get an onion
native ether
I don't think Elysium gates are worth it. I think the only heat gates that I'd take in the current version are Tartarus ones.
The other ones are just way too risky and the reward isn't enough.
lament coral
nah, you can do Asphodel reliably
karmic coyote
Who needs health when you have damage, pro strat
untold widget
they cant hit you if theyre dead
native ether
You when you realize under 200 health means Hades 3 shots you 
lament coral
but Elysium with big chariots and grey archers and grey shields and grey spears?
green sable
and you have almost no health to fight
untold widget
whats your least favorite enemy? big chariots by far for me
karmic coyote
See Roborn understand it perfectly
native ether
Longspears
green sable
small chariots..
native ether
I... despise... Longspears...
untold widget
longspears are probably 2 haha
karmic coyote
Smol chariot
green sable
or those shield guys
lament coral
spears as well, I'd say, though grey archers are close 2nd
native ether
Satyrs also get a special mention for me being practically unable to see their bullets
green sable
and they poison you to...thats annoying af
native ether
I don't know what it is, they just blend in too well with the environment
lament coral
shields got a lil easier after their bash attack made em stay still longer
untold widget
theyre certainly more annoying but they never hit as hard for me than spears
teal laurel
I actually take a lot of poms
untold widget
and satyrs telegraph so much
native ether
Shields got so nerfed this update I don't even think they're in my top 5 most annoying enemies anymore
lament coral
satyrs can shoot practically from off screen though
karmic coyote
I feel like my brain is getting smaller everytime i let longspears stab me 3 times in a row with their combo
untold widget
i genuinely find styx easier than elysium, but i dont think thats abnormal
lament coral
and unlike with archers, you get no warning
but you only feel that in the final tunnel rooms
green sable
O btw i finally got to try those cluster rockets pear.....it was great i almost escaped 🙂
teal laurel
i just sound cue satyrs
lament coral
the x5 special with -50% damage?
teal laurel
that and i have a rule with dealing with satyrs
green sable
ya
teal laurel
kill on sight
lament coral
I wonder if that works with x3 special
green sable
rockets make it 100 base ❤️
lament coral
because the nuke works with x3
lament coral
are you playing with a mouse?
karmic coyote
Yeah styx is way easier than elysium for me too after i found out you could cure the poison effect 
green sable
certain ain't playing with a cat
lament coral
you know you can make the cluster tighter?
green sable
put the thingy above zags head
green sable
i found that out last night
lament coral
full flame
the problem with styx is when you crank up enemy speed
green sable
Pear gave me the idea of the cluster bombs thing
untold widget
btw, is the whole "dash attack facing a different way than youre dashing" kbm exclusive, i'd guess so
green sable
so i ran with it
lament coral
@untold widget you can change the direction in the settings
to follow your cursor, or not
full flame
satyrs literally just hawk loogies at you non-stop, basically as you cure yourself there's already more satyr projectiles coming at you
karmic coyote
Controller gang
green sable
i hate those
lament coral
if I dash to the left but click to the right, the dash attack will go right
green sable
stupid poison
green sable
nope they spit
lament coral
don't they shoot via flutes?
full flame
lol
untold widget
cause like panpipes
full flame
the sound makes me think of spitting
lament coral
I totally thought they were flutes
and elite satyrs were just using em sideways
shooting out of the air holes
full flame
i think satyrs should have a second attack and alternate to create better windows of engagement
karmic coyote
One of the best feeling in this game is deflecting those poison darts back at the satyrs, too bad the poison deals basically 0 damage to them
karmic coyote
Still feel way underwhelming compared to what we have to suffer, make them have a seizure and flipping out a bit
faint sonnet
I agree with people's complaints on fishing spots in elysium, How am I supposed to see this besides the 'fish' message?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/651179632120430596/671428258058731521/Hades_00201.png?width=1006&height=566
untold widget
baba is fish
snow flame
Encountered an issue after opening my codex
snow flame
lmao been trying to attach the screenshot
stray frigate
only links
snow flame
yeah, should have checked before sending the first msg
stray frigate
downloading disabled
stray frigate
normal pecan
hey 'm like 20 something runs deep
and haven't run into demeter once
is there a specific condition for her to appear
snow flame
have you made it past styx yet?
normal pecan
naw
snow flame
ah yeah, you have to reach a certain point in the game to unlock her
pastel jolt
you don't need to have beaten the boss, just reached
normal pecan
ah
novel python
Missing 1 DD, 83/235Hp, I guess I should take HP from Patro?
@stray frigate Not anymore
It only slows
stray frigate
oh rly
novel python
They have removed it once, then readded it next patch but it only slows now
stray frigate
it's so bad there is only english patchnotes
snow flame
i usually take the dd
so idk how much hp he gives
although i feel like hp is better
snow flame
mmm
that's probably better if you think you can survive
1 dd only worth like 115 hp for you
snow flame
yyeah, taking no dmg means over 300 total regen
go for the heal
across the 5 rooms i mean
stray frigate
@novel python what weapon
novel python
nemesis sword
stray frigate
well mb attack?
novel python
With 116% bonus attack from chaos and 75% dash attack from arte dash
With double dash attack hammer
stray frigate
and even more from Patrocles
novel python
Nah took HP 'cause I was risking dieing
I still died but ohwell 😂
I do have 1 more dd
What pisses me is that I don't have priv stat yet
Well I do but it's hard to applyt
I need to go in melee and use cast for the dem boon to proc
Then use special for aphro
stray frigate
hm
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/671435426980036610/unknown.png exposed or +1 dd
faint sonnet
What's your max hp of current
faint sonnet
Hmm
novel python
250 maybe, not sure
faint sonnet
I would go with DD
Mostly because I think of having DD as an extra layer of health more so than death defiance
its + 50% more health basically per DD
More room for error
novel python
The only issue is that I need to jump through hoops to proc priv stat
dash in, use special, use cast and only THEN attack
faint sonnet
Hmm
If you're comfortable with only having 1 DD left, go with exposed
I personally don't
Especially against hades
novel python
I could hunt for DD in shops
faint sonnet
True
novel python
Found one
untold quiver
I am finding several of Demeter's Boons are great boss killers....her cast her aid, the "wasting" or whatever it's called.....Demeter /Artimis might just be the one two for single target
faint sonnet
Crystal Clarity?
untold quiver
Not Thier duo just Thier abilities
green sable
im working on a few spefic things
lusty gust
Has anyone seen this weird interaction with Hades when he has some health left you basically just execute him?
I've seen it twice now
native ether
did you have the Demeter legendary?
lusty gust
In the second time I had
muted basin
lusty gust
Promoting goes to #self-promotion
novel python
Aaaaaand he was at like 10%hp
inland pebble
Oh man, Stygian Blade desperately needs a buff in term of its attack (and maybe even special) animations. It feels so slow to play Blade with +50% Forced Overtime/Frenzy on. An direct enemy can manage to make a hit during the 2nd and 3rd sword strike Thrust animation, and that feels so unfair since you would have to stay in range of their attacks for your own attacks to hit them as well.
And that's one reason why the Blade is so out of the current meta which is much more favourable toward range weapons (which is every other weapon except Sword.)
pastel jolt
@muted basin If you're sharing your own gameplay videos, please do it in #self-promotion !
muted basin
OK THX
untold widget
poseidon sword is great but that doesnt really attack at all
green sable
sigh
mossy olive
where or when do i find demeter???
stray frigate
@mossy olive after u 1st time face final boss
mossy olive
ok, thx
stray frigate
Does anyone have problem... i have some strange black blinking when i take pom or boon?
green sable
omg rail with triple bombs with arti crits gets real stupid fast i freaking LOVE IT
and no hun no black blinking
guess something with my pc
green sable
they do
stray frigate
double dash i think
lusty gust
I really need to get my computer fixed
The game keeps crashing outta nowhere
It knows the worst possible time to crash even
thick sedge
is there supposed to be slowdown after clearing a room? or does my computer just suck
lusty gust
When you kill the last monster in a room the game slows down
flint jacinth
Hi, what does skull icon means on room exit?
earnest delta
Elite room. Harder enemies but also higher reward
if it's skull with star it's miniboss room
flint jacinth
there is skull and some shining around exit
stray frigate
@flint jacinth what reward
flint jacinth
flint jacinth
now i got with same skull and red arrow
stray frigate
boss
flint jacinth
lament coral
stray frigate
hmhmhmh
so i may be wrong
usual skull must be just armored enemies
1 arrow is miniboss(es)
and 2 is boss?
atomic panther
The information in that pin is a little bit outdated (you can get more than 2 Hermes per run now) but it's mostly still accurate
lament coral
2 is Erebus, 2 with a star is a boss
atomic panther
If it's got blue laurels, it's armored enemies with twice the normal reward (20 Darkness, 2 Keys, etc.)
If it has gold laurels, it's a miniboss with a higher rarity boon
teal nebula
His minions are strong
pastel jolt
the information in the pin isn't outdated, actually, you can only get two hermes boons as room rewards
thick sedge
@teal nebula second phase?
sand glade
OH, that's what those symbols are!?
stray frigate
where
thick sedge
yeah
stray frigate
@teal nebula 
atomic panther
Definitely feels it, especially since there's fewer summons
hardy crow
Most of the time if I get through phase 1 I get through both tbh
I usually either die to phase 1 or win
stray frigate
2nd pase is kinda easier true
when u know where to hide from his fire
and learn to avoid urnes
twilit ridge
stray frigate
in 2nd phase he has no this sudden spin attack
he has a combo where spin is last
so it's easier to avoid or block it
wow
i didnt expected i win this time
when i was after Theseus i had 0 dd and 28 hp
when i was before Hades i had 4 dd and full hp
Daily reminder - Shield is op
Athena dash - too
untold widget
oh thats lucky
stray frigate
and 1 from skelly
green sable
nice
stray frigate
yup it is
green sable
im working on getting diamonds for Syph
stray frigate
but 18 heat was a pain
stray frigate
@green sable u may do some 0 heat runs
green sable
im doing 1 heat runs atm
stray frigate
for last Charon shop
green sable
im trying to get more stuffs
green sable
been doing that the last run or so
i had 63 runs till i finally defeated and "escaped"
im just now doing the other stuff
green sable
ive got a run mid go and its with 3 bombs rail
i want to get the rocket like that
but so far no hammers
stray frigate
triple rocket?
green sable
since the beginning
yes hun
i figure since we have triple bombs we'd have triple rockets
stray frigate
well u almost every run get 2nd in Elisium
stray frigate
that's why i play Chaos shield
green sable
with the occasional gem thingy or god thing to appear
stray frigate
i do not need any hammers
green sable
chaos shield?
green sable
i still feel like a fem captain america like that
dense star
Guess on that note what hammers do you like most on chaos shield?
stray frigate
mb explosive back
dense star
Makes sense
stray frigate
or how does it call in eng
fallow niche
Trying a sword special build... This is misery. The double nova hammer upgrade makes the range impossibly small, especially with how there is still a delay
green sable
omg
dense star
Explosive is free damage when you're doing chaos shield specials
green sable
i tried that
fallow niche
Of all the builds I have ever done this is definitely one of the worst
dense star
^
green sable
then thats a hammer upgrade ❤️
dense star
It is surprisingly good, yeah
naive cobalt
Double Nova used to be my favorite sword upgrade by far, before the nerf.
stray frigate
but 3 is enough
green sable
its nerf or nothing...
dense star
Ah, yeah, just get 8 poison stacks on things
stray frigate
but not neccesary
dense star
Sounds good
naive cobalt
I think that the Nemesis blade nerf is interesting. I had the impression that it was by far the most popular sword (and it was certainly my favorite), but its new nerf in conjunction with the Zag sword buff has completely changed my preference.
stray frigate
sounds GREAT
dense star
Honestly all the sword variants seem decent, but I also don't really know how sword plays out on high heat
green sable
im still looking for stuff like i had with my explody spear...its with arti crits really cleaned hou8se
*house
but this was pre-gaun yu tho
stray frigate
@green sable try new aspect with that too
green sable
i already did the HP loss is to much atm
stray frigate
since it has more powerful special by default
green sable
im going to upgrade it more before use
stray frigate
also u may add Demeter boon for better healing
green sable
i need to find her more
stray frigate
to nivelate weap debuff
green sable
i still have a boon from ares i need to get
a few from arti
quite a few duos
but other wise its going great
dense star
I'm sitting around 4-7 heat on weapons atm, so I really haven't done much Erebus at all. Seems like a bit of a gamble to me since I don't really know some of the enemies there and if you get hit it's rip 
stray frigate
it's rly hard to face erebus guys with forced overtime and other stuff
dense star
Unless I'm being a dumb and forgetting that Forced Overtime ups their attack speed and that throws me off, could also be that on some of the runs
stray frigate
that;s what am i about
dense star
One time I got clocked by an overtime'd armored skull and was like, woah what was that attack windup
stray frigate
well FO is last pact thing i lvlup
first i add more enemies
later - attack
and only now i start to go with overtime
dense star
I've mostly been just trying things, see what murders me the least initially
dense star
Yep, significantly more enemies with more hp & damage & speed etc.
dense star
Interesting
stray frigate
mb i should try this instead
faint sonnet
that is all
stray frigate
http://prntscr.com/qtpk5j not bad start
only 7th chamber
now i should dont fail it hard
lol time rooms are so funny with shield
just stand in angle and hold bull rush
green sable
i finally got the triple rocket yay!
turbid needle
guys i beated the idra 🧸
hardy crow
The idra?
turbid needle
uuh
rugged estuary
stray frigate
ernie the idra
rugged estuary
Hades died very quickly
turbid needle
what u mean with died
stray frigate
@turbid needle it's kinda spoiler
turbid needle
ok dont tell me
stray frigate
but spoiler are not forbidden this channel
so u better stick ti Disscussion channel
if u want to avoid spoilers
green sable
rockets while grand shoot a little slow.
stray frigate
@turbid needle Hydra
rocky mica
Upon that patch I would consider it a spoiler but by now we all know or should expect the final boss.
But boy was Bouldy though to beat!
rugged estuary
@green sable Yeah, hermes special speed helps
stray frigate
Bouldy is best girl
rugged estuary
@rocky mica Yeah that fight is rock hard.
stray frigate
such a pity she already has Sisyphus as husband
green sable
ya
well triple rocket made short work on king and his pet
arti crits for 549 dmg per hit really did great
sometimes 569
stray frigate
2200 crits still better)
green sable
ive not seen any of those yet
the highest ive seen myself so far is 1106
thats with my explody spear thing
with arti
stray frigate
Hestia aspect with Aphro attack iirc
green sable
i got hestia going atm
stray frigate
with some chaos boons for attack and dash attack
green sable
now aphro i will have to see
stray frigate
and Pressure Points