there we go
#h1-builds-and-combat
violet stirrup
well the pinned messages do talk about any suggestions
and I think it'd be particularly useful for more popular feedback
woven island
Personally I feel very sad people downvoted my amazing suggestion
Theseus doesn’t really make that much sense unless I missed dialogue
native ether
Don't ever take it personally. I was asking for the amount of health the player could get in a run to be nerfed for about a year, and then it did, and then it got rolled back XD.
woven island
I’m kidding I really don’t mind XD
native ether
Devs are super good at tracking feedback though. Definitely no need to worry about that one.
woven island
Just about the theteus thing
lament coral
I do wish Theseus only got help from the gods whose boons you do not have
woven island
Does the game give u a reason for him also getting the blessings or nah
Cause it’s odd for the gods to be helping u escape but also then helping the guy stopping u
violet stirrup
@lament coral thats already the case
native ether
Because the olympians aren't really known for uh, being... uh... loyal... to their followers :p
violet stirrup
Theseus always gets the power of the god whose boons you don thave
woven island
Maybe just give him Poseidon buff then ?
violet stirrup
Also it makes sense with the lore
Theseus is loved by the gods
and the olympians arent very loyal yeah
native ether
Fun fact I've mentioned this before, but its actually physically impossible to get boons from all 8 gods before Theseus. The game literally does not allow it. So Theseus will always have a supporter.
woven island
Yeah like when they try kill u if u don’t pick them
woven island
XD
native ether
even using Keepsakes, its not possible. You could I believe get 8 potentially after Theseus (via Styx) but... after Theseus.
woven island
I really hope they add Hecate next
native ether
basically the gods are jerks, they're not really known for being the pinnacle of decent beings, so it does kinda make sense that the one you get the least support from that run would help Theseus for their own personal amusement
naive tusk
Hera approves of that
unkempt pagoda
yall we have a meta feedback channel, it's #server-suggestions
river garden
Does anyone actually use boons that reduce damage from traps?
glossy plaza
when the lava hit for 54 damage in a span of a second and a half, then you will want that -95% damage from traps
river garden
Still no reason to take that boon
glossy plaza
sure, just don't step in the lava in the hydra fight right? easy enough PepeLaugh
river garden
I mean its annoying but HP can be replenished later
glossy plaza
have you played the game on some 25+ heat b4?
whole jungle
Got like 4700 darkness from one run thanks to chaos giving me 2 darkness boons that gave me +436% darkness
glossy plaza
darkness is still useless I see, nothing has changed much eh
night pasture
giving it longevity is the top of their list for the next major update
glossy plaza
I'll have to recheck the broker a couple of times next then, maybe they'll finally give us a permanent option to change darkness to something
I only need like 500-1.5k of the thing anyways
also thank god they changed Hades' lock on time, jfc, it was so annoying before
whole jungle
I only have 4 fated authorities from the mirror so it useful to me rn
nimble nymph
unkempt pagoda
f10 in-game
night pasture
F10 in game will automatically take a screenshot and state information
loud elk
just managed to accept 6 boons from chaos
turns out having two curses that both have approx +70% enemies spawning isn't exactly the best idea
especially when you run into thanatos
night pasture
I would think that would be ideal, can't he handle the room for you?
loud elk
not if you're in elysium and there are like upwards of 20 enemies on screen at once
even more so when it's a mix of elysium archers and bowmen
armored, of course
the room being on the smaller side didn't exactly help me either lmao
i managed to survive but lost two death's defiances
it also didn't help that I was running a base Exagryph
my strongest attack was my special with the daedalus hammer rocket upgrade + an ares special boon which was actually really good
specifically for the situation
given the hordes of enemies that always came, but alas
sucked when i tried to kill elysium bosses
rugged estuary
Is Clean Kill additive or multiplicative?
Like, with a 15% clean kill, is my crit damage 315% or 345%?
naive cobalt
I think that every damage increase in the game has been additive for awhile
I'm guessing that includes crit damage
But it's a fairly confident guess 🤷♂️
rugged estuary
The reason I am uncertain is because I know the artemis / aphrodite duo is multiplicative
and crit has been the only thing that isn't additive in the game
elfin wagon
Yes, crits are multiplicative. Which was why I gave a feedback that the tooltip was confusing.
Clean kill 'changes' your multiplier from x3 to x3.15, etc.
rugged estuary
So clean kill is additive, alright.
Thanks 🙂
That makes it pretty terrible honestly
elfin wagon
I got a bunch of Braid of Atlas so if it adds +30% to Base cast, multiplying by 3 means +90%. Multiplicative damage ramps up real fast
tame urchin
god mode = cheating ?
marble ridge
more like, god mode = for the inexperienced
rugged estuary
@elfin wagon I don't mean things should be mutiplicative in general
but clean kill should be
tame urchin
true
rugged estuary
assuming your crit chance is 20%, then clean kill increases your average damage by 3%
that is nothing
and usually not all of your damage output can crit, so the impact on total damage is even lower
Clean Kill was good when artemis dash gave guaranteed crits
but now its very lackluster
elfin wagon
The Epic is around +30% though, and it affects multiplier so it will multiply with whatever increases your Attack/Special etc. already has.
rugged estuary
that doesnt change its impact on your total damage
the only thing it gets better with is crit chance
which wont be higher than at best ~25%
Now if you could apply hunters mark on a single target somehow, that would also make its current version good
but in a world where you cant crit more reliably, the increased crit damage is fairly weak
wet dagger
here's to my weirdest run!!
rugged estuary
the only way to get more reliable crit chance is the spear special hammer upgrade
wet dagger
Started hoarding health like woah, lost 1 DD to a giant Satyr.... but then BigBad went down... so shockingly fast, w/out me losing any other DD at all
https://imgur.com/BJi0bcN
rugged estuary
Congrats! 434 life is a lot 😄
I was super pumped when I beat the game without losing a DD at all for the first time
elfin wagon
I guess Clean Kill's power level is around that of Urge to Kill (+8-12% damage) but more situational around Crits
rugged estuary
Yeah. Urge to Kill at least has the upside of being a very good all-round perk
its impact is small, but its never bad
and it doesnt have prerequisites, so you can get it from a single random ares
Clean Kill both has prerequisites and is more narrow
solid cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/671192370867601418/unknown.png ok I am now guan yu gang officially
night pasture
I agree that guan yu is nuts BUT ONLY if you get quick spin
solid cairn
been very lucky
native ether
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mighty ermine
i've had runs that went fine even without quick spin, though it is very nice
night pasture
yeah, me too, I understand
native ether
Guan Yu is nuts with Serrated Edge
night pasture
just saying it only becomes crazy good with quick spin, that's a run winner right there
native ether
Quick Spin is definitely helpful, not required. Good with Charged Skewer/Explosive Launcher too.
native ether
Massive Spin is also good, catch more enemies in the AoE, get more healing. Serrated Edge though is honestly a king for damage. Get an attack boon boost on that attack, get Hunter's Dash or a chaos boon, and every attack does like 300 damage
solid cairn
and to think, guan yu was absolute garbage day 1
native ether
And to think people just thought it was garbage :p
solid cairn
no it kind of sucked
native ether
Guan Yu requires a playstyle that most people aren't comfortable with because its obscenely high risk high reward.
solid cairn
that's what I loved about nemesis so yeah
rugged estuary
Now that hazard bomb is +200%, it feels quite good
solid cairn
hazard bomb with eris
native ether
You have to play very precisely and carefully. In latter biomes you get 1-2-3 shot if you're reckless.
solid cairn
the anti-synergy
native ether
lol good luck with that one
you can get the buff if you time your dash to dodge the bomb damage
rugged estuary
I just fought hydra and with level 2 rare special damage, a single hazard bomb disarmors / kills a head
solid cairn
good challenge run idea
native ether
but why you would ever intentionally do that to yourself idk
rugged estuary
the selfdamage isnt even that bad any more
unkempt pagoda
big brain strats
native ether
I believe it scales on either your max health or your damage on it
Not sure which
Probably the health
Max Hard Labor though and it'll hurt again
solid cairn
I always take ares special so I can say "zoom kaboom you're inflicted with doom"
native ether
see I would take anything but Ares special on Hazard Bomb
well anything but Ares Dionysus or Zeus
native ether
I loved Demeter on it. Serrated Edge with it is 3 frost stacks and 80% extra damage on epic
native ether
Aphro, Artemis, Demeter, Athena, for Guan Yu, since you have high base damage, abuse high scaling
solid cairn
demeter, high scaling?
native ether
Demeter Scales equivalent to Athena
native ether
80% on epic
same as athena
(well approximately, not guaranteed, epic is always 2x modifier or around that amount, so the base I presume is around 40%)
solid cairn
and very good status effect
native ether
Weak is nerfed but its still usable
Chill is very good though for countering Forced Overtime
solid cairn
shoot it was nerfed
native ether
Weak is 30% reduction now
native ether
ah right
There's a new boon which gives your weak effects additional reduction
can't make it up to 50% but its close
Chill is actually really good for Spear. Spear and Guan Yu especially are slower weapons, so slower enemies helps you stay alive better and dodge attacks. Chill also basically neuters Forced Overtime.
solid cairn
I have not tried a serrated edge because I usually am lucky and get massive or quick spin on my hammers
native ether
Serrated Edge + Quick Spin has been my ideal combo on Guan Yu aspect
solid cairn
I have gotten massive+quick spin on 2 runs in a row
native ether
Quick Spin mainly just makes it easier to get healing
Serrated Edge is where all the damage comes in
solid cairn
I abuse spin going through walls to the fullest
my problem with spear is that my runs take too long
native ether
Yeah I think the only weapons that can beat high heat + timed deadline are rail and shield
solid cairn
definitely over 32 minutes
native ether
Sword possibly but Sword is a very risky weapon at higher heat.
solid cairn
I'm alright with rail
native ether
Bow definitely can't. Spear is much better now but I don't think it scales fast enough to beat the timer at harder difficulties
mighty ermine
i enjoy prioritizing charged skewer with guan; charges very quickly and +200% on command on top of your other boons is wild
i usually get lucky and find + special speed from hermes as well
solid cairn
I had heroic arte special on guan last run
good times
I didn't have an attack boon until elysium
native ether
Delta Chamber on the rail is also very fun, assuming you get the attack speed boost from Hermes, otherwise its a little slow
was super fun to mix with Concentrated Fire, which I think also needs a buff (+1 isnt very much even for base damage) but its a neat set of hammer boons
also Concentrated Fire isn't in the patch notes from what I remember, which was funny.
mighty ermine
agree on concentrated fire's damage bonus
solid cairn
how's explosive fire now
mighty ermine
decent at the start, falls off tremendously
native ether
Explosive Fire is great still
solid cairn
the aoe actually can help a lot on hestia
native ether
Pretty sure the Hestia bullet doesn't take the explosion bonus
Hestia bullet is basically unaffected by all hammers
native ether
because when it wasn't... Spread Fire Hestia fired a spread of Hestia Bullets
it was quite literally the most broken thing to ever exist in this game
bronze crater
Do y'all like Hestia?
native ether
I don't. Not a bad aspect though.
native ether
Hestia has less available potential than Eris in terms of "builds that effectively work with it"
bronze crater
Ok cause i just did a hestia run and while I can see the potential in it, i was honestly bored to death the entire time
native ether
Like for Eris, you could randomly throw on any boons and it works fine. Poison, base damage, wrath effects, everything just gets buffed.
solid cairn
getting a tiny bullet to crit for 900 brings a lot of fun @bronze crater
native ether
Hestia you need very specific boons to break it unlike Eris where anything works
bronze crater
Yeah I can see how it can be really fun
native ether
You need high base damage on your attack (Aphrodite/Artemis/Demeter/Athena) and you need Hunter Dash to double your shot's base damage (epic tier)
Preferably also a Chaos boon to increase Attack or Dash-Strike damage
solid cairn
even then, it really only reaches its potential on single target
native ether
Hestia's one advantage is that you can kind of slap any hammers you want on it
Basically everything is the same level of good because nothing affects the aspect
unlike Eris, where things like more special shots, more special effects, increased fire rates, spread fire, or explosive fire are vastly more important than things like piercing shots (and Hazard Bomb is entirely useless in most cases on Eris unless you're actually insane enough to try it)
solid cairn
I think hestia can deal the highest single hit of damage in the game
native ether
Hestia can hit the highest in the game but it should be proof that considering my best runs are always on Poison and Weak, its not necessarily the biggest number that wins the game :p
big numbers are great and all but if I can output twice the amount of damage in the time it takes you to fire and reload Hestia with Poison and Eris, then I'm gonna go the latter route.
native ether
big numbers also suck in biomes where there's lots of squishy armored enemies, or if you run Death Insurance
inner sparrow
Fastest win for me was Hera aspect with explosive special and cast upgrades
+400% damage to armor
night pasture
in conclusion hades is a game of many contrasts
native ether
Hera is a great aspect and its absolutely insane in base game but when you start stacking heat, running the bow is basically impossible cause you can't clear Asphodel in 7 minutes, not to mention Elysium.
green sable
So far yes
solid cairn
guan yu does what nemesis does better change my mind
green sable
sad
inner sparrow
@native ether At 5 heat + timer can still outrace timer better with bow than with sword or spear at least
native ether
How do you not struggle in Elysium lol. I'm mildly impressed
solid cairn
spear's been on the rise
turbid needle
Pear, I beat 20 Heat with Zagreus Aspect and I'm pretty sure the second level of Tight Deadline.
green sable
im trying to love the bow i really am
native ether
Right, that gives you crit now right?
turbid needle
Yup.
green sable
but it won't let me 😦
native ether
Yeah Zag aspect is actually decent then
solid cairn
all the spear aspects besides hades are pretty good I would say
inner sparrow
Guan Yu is actually really good
turbid needle
10% native, Deadly Strike (this was before the Artemis nerf), Twin Shot and Explosive Shot.
native ether
ok that's cheating
inner sparrow
I've heard people say it's not but it was really easy to run with
green sable
i dunno the yu part seems a bit crippling in the health imo
turbid needle
What, my build?
native ether
:p im kidding
green sable
i was doing ok till the king fight then wham..loss
native ether
Actually yeah Hestia isnt the highest potential damage in the game. Its Explosive Twin Shot bow with crits and Heart Rend lol
inner sparrow
Remember the special is now the firework
bronze crater
Yu was a lot of fun but very very stressful because i like to play like an idiot and dash directly into enemies
inner sparrow
Just stay away from the taur haha
green sable
Bow has a explosive shot?
night pasture
yu vote text: happy shade for good, angry shade fir bad
native ether
"Have you tried not dashing into enemies" - Hypnos
inner sparrow
Oh, my bad, was talking about Guan
bronze crater
I usually have time to stagger them but if i don't I get bodied
native ether
Yu is definitely the spear's best aspect assuming you know how to play Hades and the spear where you can minimalize taking hits
green sable
explains why i stink with it lol
native ether
And know when to use its special optimally to full heal for a mistake
native ether
I would say its the best but its by far one of the hardest things to play in this game.
best spear aspect
green sable
o yeh so far yes
green sable
i keep running into enemies lol
native ether
i remember the days when I used to say using the rail was the hardest thing to do in this game
and at a time, it definitely was
obtuse ravine
SPEAR GANG
native ether
The rail is one of those weapons that you have to be very good at using all of its attacks fluidly
obtuse ravine
but I am enjoying Chiron and Eris Rail after I grinded the Spear to Heat 16
green sable
i got the 3 bombs
native ether
yeah but rocket makes it base 100
native ether
Rocket increases the base damage from 60 to 100
green sable
...ok you make me happy
solid cairn
I suck at this game and I love the 2 hardest weapons
native ether
which is 10 less than the base damage
mighty ermine
zag but with a stupid huge rocket shotgun
native ether
favorite rails on the rail are definitely Spread Shot and Explosive Fire together
green sable
i have to find those
native ether
favorite build is definitely still Spread Shot Eris Explosive Dionysus Poison
solid cairn
2 perfect hammer boons? that's just a guan yu run jk don't crucify me
turbid needle
Favorite what on the rail?
native ether
you can combine that with Aphrodite on the Special, get low tolerance (the duo, makes weak enemies take up to 3 more poison stacks) and then everything just dies and you can focus on dodging
manic ermine
Hazard bomb triple bomb is madness.
inner sparrow
Rail is my favourite weapon by far
turbid needle
Pear, I wanna try that with Doom on Special and Weak on Dash.
inner sparrow
I love the incredibly quick movements you have to make to maximize the damage
native ether
Also remember the rail's dash attack is that it fires an extra attack at the same time. So with Spread Shot you can fire up to 10 bullets with a dash attack.
inner sparrow
^
native ether
Extra attack with no ammo consumption
rugged estuary
I was hoping for triple bomb on this hazard bomb run
hollow sorrel
It still makes me sad that like half the hammer upgrades do nothing with the hestia
native ether
then why does it only consume 1 bullet for me
rugged estuary
@hollow sorrel I agree
inner sparrow
Hestia does reload = 1 bullet even with dash on spread
But I haven't seen only one bullet on dash with spread otherwise
native ether
regardless, its still 2 shots in the time it normally takes 1 to fire, even if it consumes 2 shots, same effective damage.
rugged estuary
it consuming 2 shots is why it doesnt work with hestia
would be bonkers if it did
native ether
well no it doesnt work with Hestia because Spread Fire with 5 Hestia bullets used to be a thing and it was so op everyone quit playing the shield.
The discord was like straight 3 days of just playing rail
turbid needle
RIP
native ether
imagine 2 shotting Theseus
hollow sorrel
I kind of wish that when I'm playing hestia, the non-hestia-compatible boons would get switched with bloudy boons, just as a consolation prize
native ether
Sincerely, the hopes and dreams of Hestia Spread Shot Rail
inner sparrow
Imagine Thesus not talking 
harsh epoch
Just unlocked but haven't tried guan yu. Quick tips?
native ether
Don't get hit
If you do get hit, don't rush to use the spin to heal, wait for a good opening
inner sparrow
@harsh epoch Play safer than usual but remember the special heals so throw it into groups
hollow sorrel
Imagine Thesus hitting people with invisible attacks, because he decided to launch a rocket that didn't land in its circle
native ether
its the spin that heals btw, not the special
rugged estuary
@native ether I meant the rail dash attack doesnt work with hestia because the dash attack isnt 2 shots for 1 bullet. if it was, they would work together
inner sparrow
Yeah, the spin, I called it wrong 
harsh epoch
Gotcha. Looking forward to the mods for this mofo
native ether
rushing for a fast heal will typically get you more damaged, which can make you blow through death defiances before you want to. Wait for the right time to heal, avoid getting hit as much as you can, abuse the Guan Yu aspect's high base damage on all attacks to find effective times to deal as much damage as possible
Guan Yu is about finding windows of opportunity
inner sparrow
Sword thoughts?
granite lava
by the gods I had heard people about new styx poison, but just now I experienced it and its insane
native ether
Sword is the same in all honesty. Find windows of opportunity to deal as much damage as possible (you can accelerate your combos by specialing instead of using the thrust) and avoid taking unnecessary hits
new styx poison got reverted. That's just the old version :p
turbid needle
Make sure you're on 25053.
inner sparrow
Sword is my least favourite weapon choice lmfao
native ether
well yeah, that I suppose, proper patch and all
Sword is imo the fastest weapon the game
My fastest clear is on the sword
turbid needle
That's a shame, it's got the second highest DPS in the game.
native ether
Rail might be faster, I just can't ever get it to scale faster than the sword. Definitely possible though, Schpoonman has my best sword time beat with the rail by like 5 minutes
manic ermine
Worldsmasher with powershot should be up there
green sable
im using the sword run thing right now
native ether
My best sword time is sub 20 minutes, believe its barely over 18-19 minutes
turbid needle
World Smasher and Minotaur Rush don't work together, right?
inner sparrow
My problem with sword is only in Elysium if I don't have a good run going
native ether
best rail time is right behind it at 20 minutes
Once you learn the special's distance after using it enough, you can use it to effectively counter flamewheels quickly. Supernova helps though.
harsh epoch
How the heck do you guys clear in 20 mins smh
inner sparrow
I always get punished by the small attack tells because when I use sword I play stupidly I guess
native ether
Lambent Plume on Sword with Zag aspect. You move 50% faster by Elysium and have innate 25% dodge chance
inner sparrow
The firewheels are honestly not a problem, I just don't like the exalted attack tells coupled with the spam range attacks
rugged estuary
I only did one run with tight deadline because I dislike timelimits, and it was a 19 minutes spear run
manic ermine
My fastest rail times are 14minutes.
inner sparrow
Haven't touched that keepsake yet
native ether
Lambent Plume is imo honestly only viable on the sword lol
Rail im too dependent on using god keepsakes to get the run I want to win fast
inner sparrow
Rail is disgusting with the right build
native ether
Sword is "lol throw anything on it, it works, you move fast, you ignore damage, lol ded" (with plume)
ofc that does mean you need to clear basically every normal room really fast
manic ermine
Hammerless rail sucks but it has the best upgrades
native ether
You basically have to clear every basic room in 30 seconds (Elysium is more like a minute) and you have to clear all the bosses really fast
so you have to be incredibly aggressive
green sable
i don't see how the rail can be disgusting but pear told me what to look/do for it so if i can i will do it
bronze crater
Do any of you know if the Chaos boon that gives you an extra death's defiance actualyl gives you a fourth or just replenishes is like Kiss of Styx?
hollow sorrel
4th
turbid needle
Fourth defiance.
rugged estuary
443 max life lol
solid cairn
It gives you a fourth
bronze crater
Nice
solid cairn
It’s very good
native ether
The rail is meh at start unless you have decently highly leveled aspects and know how to use them.
Basically all the hammers are good though. All of them add great boon synergy and Triple Bomb is honestly the highest base damage increase in the entire game maybe with the exception of Hazard Bomb now. All of the Rail Hammers are so very good, some ofc work better than others.
hollow sorrel
it's very rare
native ether
Its still very rare even after they buffed the rate from what I can tell
It also requires you to already have a chaos boon to spawn
hollow sorrel
I really like Hestia more than Eris, which is sad because if I were using Eris, then I'd like all the rail upgrades
native ether
Was disappointed that Hestia aspect plus the 5 shot hammer upgrade didn't synergize and it's still a single empowered shot.
Was funny that we were just talking about that @cloud swan It actually used to. It was so busted the only weapon people played while it was in was the rail. Kinda got the nerf it deserved. :p
hollow sorrel
People are still using it. Being able to ignore mechanics, because you are using a shield, is still OP
inner sparrow
Still my favourite shield aspect too
turbid needle
Shield is actually quite fun to play.
hollow sorrel
It's still probably the easiest weapon to 32 heat
native ether
Shield is still good, people don't need to worry about that XD
manic ermine
Blitz disc is underrated
native ether
As long as the shield can block and has enough damage to rival the rail or sword, the shield will still see plenty of use
inner sparrow
Blitz was my first shield run to beat Hades when I first started messing with shield
solid cairn
Shields should be high percentage damage reduction @native ether
inner sparrow
It's just kind of hectic to work right
solid cairn
Like 90%
native ether
You could gut its aspects from the game entirely and people would still be using it over literally all other weapons at higher heat. It can block damage. Its always gonna be useful as long as it has enough damage and can nullify attacks
agreed in all honesty
solid cairn
I think that would be fair
hollow sorrel
you save so much time with the shield, because you don't have to dash away from stuff a lot of the time
native ether
not just that
inner sparrow
"Oh, super powerful attacks? Lemme just pop a squat and block"
solid cairn
Then people would use zagreus
hollow sorrel
e.g. if a minotaur is jumping at you, just block it. Don't bother wasting time dashing away, to avoid the slam and the shockwave
native ether
Its the most mobile, mid tier in damage, and can block attacks. Its still good. Its always gonna be good as long as those 3 things remain true. Even if Chaos Aspect got nerfed into nonexistence tomorrow, it would still be good and people would still use it.
hollow sorrel
final boss spin attack or lasers? just block it if you're too lazy to avoid it
solid cairn
Shield is just so cheap
native ether
yeah its even better there now considering Spearpoint got a nerf
solid cairn
I don’t like to say this, but it’s easy mode
And I advise against using it for your first clear of the game
hollow sorrel
I never noticed how awful the lasers are at high heat, until after the spearpoint nerf, and I actually started take damage from them
supple haven
Poseiden aspect is best
native ether
People keep saying this but they don't really realize that its honestly just not the case.
Shield dps rivals sword dps
inner sparrow
Shield DPS can be nuts
supple haven
Cast dps best dps
inner sparrow
Especially in normal non-boss rooms where you can shield bash them into walls
golden garnet
What’s highest DPS weapon without boons or hammers?
inner sparrow
I was doing 600+ damage per hit
native ether
Highest dps? Sword likely. I'd put shield at number 2
solid cairn
Shield feels unfair
supple haven
Sword is highest dps
faint sonnet
Given artemis' cast crits I don't feel like shield is better
And don't get me wrong, i'm up to heat 16 with the shield
solid cairn
Oh I also absolutely detest the bow
green sable
bow...well its a special snowflake.
native ether
Guan Yu attack might actually be equal or higher considering you do the same damage in a single attack in the same time it takes to do equal damage with the entire sword combo
solid cairn
I wouldn’t touch those 2 weapons with a 10 foot guan yu spear pole
faint sonnet
Bow is good with the cast-loading aspect
green sable
I got a brand new run so going to try rail with the suggestions by pear
faint sonnet
otherwise i don tlike it
supple haven
Chiron is the only way to play bow
inner sparrow
Bow is my favourite weapon smh lmfao
mighty ermine
i'm really not a fan of chiron myself
faint sonnet
My favorite is spear
mighty ermine
least favorite bow aspect probably
native ether
Shield damage is higher than people give credit. Bull Rush through a couple enemies, cut the animation short and Dash Attack then into walls repeatedly. You'll do plenty of damage to kill enemies fast enough. Add on a Power Shot Dash or add on a Dashing Wallop hammer and its even better.
hollow sorrel
I like the idea of chiron, but at higher heat, it feels like my slowest clear time
inner sparrow
Bow -> rail -> spear -> shield -> sword here
native ether
Chiron used to be good but it got nerfed hard. Used to be 9 shots at max rank
inner sparrow
Got a chiron special crit build going and it was still bonkers
supple haven
native ether
There are builds with it that work but its just... slow atm
supple haven
Chiron builds were so fun
hollow sorrel
Even with the extra arrow hammer upgrade, it still feels a bit slow with the damage
mighty ermine
i like the concept of chiron, but in execution i just don't enjoy it nearly as much as playing it with hera or zag aspect
and the neuter pear mentioned doesn't help
supple haven
Remind me what zag aspect does for bow?
manic ermine
crit
supple haven
Ah
mighty ermine
+10% crit at max rank, at base
stacks with artemis stuff of course
for attack, specifically
forgot to mention
manic ermine
I'm quite happy getting into melee with the bow special so I don't value chiron much
inner sparrow
Bow special upgrade + hammer to increase amount of arrows fired in melee range is great
hollow sorrel
I don't like the hera bow, for the sole reason of stuff like EX hydra heads dropping the cast crystals in deep lava, while I'm at +400% trap damage
native ether
It would be nice if we could get some text that mentions when a certain Daedalus Hammer upgrade doesn't synergize/work with your current Aspect, or changes how it works. For example, Spread Fire will only shoot a single powered shot with Hestia's Aspect, Dread Flight's +6 bounces only works with an uncharged throw if using Chaos Aspect, and I haven't tested it myself, but Delta Chamber only making the first shot a powered shot rather than the triple burst with Hestia's Aspect. Not any big piece of text, at most an asterisk with a little info box on the side of the upgrade, when picking it, that mentions its incompatability, or a low-opacity text underneath the description of the upgrade.
Dread Flight should work on the main shield throw, just not the Chaos copies.
Delta Chamber will fire the hestia shot without the 3 round burst. If you dash attack, it will fire the Hestia and quickly follow up with the 3 round burst.
In general with those 2 aspects, assume that the hammers don't really help them. Its mainly just because back when they did it was so powerful that became too "meta" and everyone was exclusively using those upgrades. I don't think this applies to any other aspects, otherwise I'd agree it should be documented somehow.
@loud elk
green sable
Theres new doors that open up that require 5 fire skulls.......omg
ive never seen these before
native ether
Purchased the infernal gates?
mighty ermine
@hollow sorrel very true. all cast-centric builds become an unpleasant scramble during ex hydra unless you have like, instant recall
green sable
i belive so
native ether
They're challenge rooms that require 5/10/15 Heat active to enter them (per biome)
native ether
yeah they typically don't show up afaik unless you purchase the addition from the contractor
Rewards are much better than normal rooms but beware, they're challenge rooms for a reason :p
green sable
well i now recall i did but they never showed up till just now
hollow sorrel
or the super jumpy monsters in the 2nd biome, that might jump half-way across the map, and die there, and I have no idea where the crystals went
green sable
weird indeed
native ether
yeah their ability to spawn can be a bit weird
inner sparrow
Jumpy monsters are cast run killers lmfao
green sable
well im running a rail thing right now so i hope i find the hammer upgrade
mighty ermine
heightened security lava really is just awful
night pasture
wait until you get hit by the pots during the last boss fight
night pasture
I concur
green sable
weird
inner sparrow
Those pots are annoying but it's more annoying when he doesn't spam them at the beginning for free dps 
mighty ermine
or, and this is entirely my own fault for getting complacent sometimes, i might forget about the styx guillotines and go under one of the automatic ones in the mini-rooms
and get absolutely chunked with HS
native ether
Recommendation from the Hypnos is Always Right foundation: "Have you tried not standing under them when they crush you?" 
mighty ermine
😩
night pasture
all I know for certain is I thought high security was an easy heat in practice
native ether
Its easy enough if you don't walk in traps all the time
night pasture
until it turns out that traps could one shot me
native ether
Unfortunately, I do
green sable
some people i can't give nectaur anymore to 😦
native ether
its never pleasing to be hit for half your entire health pool by 1 trap :p
mighty ermine
me, internally: red marks on the ground is where the guillotines come down, got it!
me like 10 seconds later: ah i forgot
night pasture
after you max OJ, there are a few people you can give spicy OJ to
native ether
also reminder: this exists, courtesy of Kossetsu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_AQEGGwn98
inner sparrow
What an amazing display
turbid needle
Beautiful.
rancid shore
the speed lines really make that so good
inner sparrow
Does tight deadline kill you? I had only one run with it so far and I got the timer to 0:00:00 at the last second with a Theseus kill
mighty ermine
constant damage to zag if you go over the timer
inner sparrow
Oh
mighty ermine
something like 5 per second?
last nacelle
The worst part is that it's lethal damage.
From a game design perspective, it probably shouldn't be lethal.
inner sparrow
Anxiety: The Setting
idle finch
does +attack also affect dash strike?
mighty ermine
yes
inner sparrow
Might as well have the sonic underwater timer going the entire time to up the sweat beads coming off of my forehead
idle finch
ok thanks
last nacelle
That's how you get the big crits.
mighty ermine
think of dash-strike as a subcategory of attack
last nacelle
Hestia rail with chaos boons on both attack and dash attack, then get artemis dash and attack.
hexed briar
aaaaaaaa
i finished my first run!
god my heart is going fast
i have uh
4 dash-attack bonuses
plus a double-attack Daedalus upgrade
mighty ermine
congrats!!
rugged estuary
Nice! Winning in hades feels like such an accomplishment
I'm 60 runs in now and it still feels good
mighty ermine
by double attack do you mean twin shot, bow?
because if so, stacking dash-strike bonus and getting twin shot is absolutely the way to go
rugged estuary
Twin shot is so good with so many other things
Wouldnt be surprised if it gets nerfed a bit to have like 70-80% damage per shot only
mighty ermine
it feels fair though, considering bow can have a rough time getting as ridiculous as other weapon setups in some situations
inner sparrow
True enough
mighty ermine
the range penalty to twin shot feels almost non-existent since i never use it long long range too
rugged estuary
Bow definitely feels like it has the most impactful hammers to me
theres a ton of good ones. Explosive Sniper bow can easily reach hestia levels of crits
mighty ermine
yeah, there are a lot of solid boosters in bow's selection
whereas with shield i almost don't mind not getting hammers at all
sinful arrow
World Smasher is pretty fun for the shield
mighty ermine
because it's already effective at base, and a lot of the hammer options change the playstyle
hexed briar
this was my build
oh, i just tried to post a screenshot :p
didnt realize i couldnt do that
green sable
lol
hexed briar
anyway i was using the Zeus shield
green sable
i never posted anything before
hexed briar
but yeah
i had 2 dash-attack boons from Chaos
i managed to have two chaos boons resolve at the same time
sinful arrow
You could probably post a link to the screenshot?
Not sure if that's a thing on the chat
night pasture
if you upload to imgur and post a link it'll autopost
hexed briar
im trying to find where the screenshot was
got it
the build was bonkers
i had some anti-synergy with aphrodite and artemis there
sinful arrow
Nice. Congrats on the first clear!
sinful arrow
Getting through Hades the first time's always the hardest part
green sable
ya took me like 63 tries
sinful arrow
You'll get used to his patterns more and more and won't lose a DD at all soon enough
green sable
i have to get a shield thing going
hexed briar
yeah
i was dying to the beams a ton
then i realized
"theres a rock here"
also, dash dancing is great for going through large groups of enemies
but in bosses its a whole lot more detrimental, cause youre gonna run into attacks where you ran out of dashes
green sable
got level 8 doom on my rail rockets lol
hexed briar
im just starting to realize that
i still cant figure out how to optimally do the elysium bosses
sinful arrow
Really the best strat against them is taking down Asterius first
After that, the fight's pretty much won
Fighting on the outer ring and kiting Mino usually's a good way to avoid Theseus' attacks altogether
tall whale
asterius isn't too hard to kite
hexed briar
plus no matter how much i move it always seems like theseus blocks 70% of my stuff
chrome bone
I take the bull to one corner and keep dodging towards him whenever he attacks. Theseus doesn't do much
tall whale
oh, you have to get behind him
once you take theseus down past his first phase, the circle on the ground attacks are a pain to deal with
sinful arrow
Yeah, quick dash after he throws his spear leaves him open for a bit
tall whale
even more so if asterius is still alive, so better to kill bull first
sinful arrow
Pro-tip: When Theseus uses his call, he's vulnerable for a while so it's a great time to pop your call and do major damage on him
chrome bone
Theseus also always turn his back towards you after the throws the spear
sinful arrow
Even better if you've got a greater call
tall whale
ares greater call + ares legendary boon = way too much damage
but it's a legendary boon so i guess it's balanced
mighty ermine
yeah, ares call on its own used to be even stronger, just melted bosses even without vicious cycle
sinful arrow
Man, blade rift runs are such a blast when you get RNG to work with you
I remember getting a run with hunting blades, Ares legendary, and all the rift bonuses
tall whale
my favorite run so far i got ares call, viscous cycle, and ares cast
sinful arrow
Didn't have to even move to kill everything lol
chrome bone
Am I the only one who wishes there was Hades boons? I think there could be some interesting stuff
inner sparrow
Hades in a nutshell:
"Pick a god and pray"
sinful arrow
Hades boons wouldn't really make sense story wise though?
He's trying to keep you there not help you get out lol
mighty ermine
yeah that wouldn't make much sense at all
chrome bone
Not sure, could be made a thing later into the game. He do reward you for killing his stuff
Like those flame rooms could reward it
tall whale
ooh, this gives me an idea
what about like a shrine room
where you can choose a god to give offerings to
for a boon
chrome bone
I like this idea
tall whale
actually no that's just charon shop but boons only
green sable
i need a better idea for a boon for the rails....ares doom while fine don't get quick results dangit
at least for the rocket
tall whale
i like support fire
sinful arrow
Chain lightning on rail attack is great
chrome bone
Artemis rocket is great
green sable
okie thats under zeus kk
im trying to get things done right
arti rockets...also good
limber imp
night pasture
also I very much advocate for the hestia aspect
waxen imp
dio primary with spread fire is great
you can dash fire into something once and they will generally die
and move to the next target
green sable
ive not found one hammer yet in this new run or the zeus special shot
inner sparrow
A little off topic, but honestly with how good Hades is I may eventually go back and play the rest of Supergiant's games. I have Bastion but never got into it and I've never touched Transistor or Pyre
sinful arrow
The only one I haven't played was Pyre but Bastion and Transistor are fantastic
mighty ermine
#supergiant-games is perfect for this discussion, but yeah i totally encourage you to play them all
chrome bone
Have they mentioned cross save for the console release? I really want the game for ps4 but I wish I didn't had to farm it all again
tall whale
for what it's worth i feel like hades plays a lot like bastion
you'll find many similarities
also does anyone else feel like the default spear special yell is same as spear throw yell from bastion?
spice turret
https://imgur.com/a/1vLrznE
Behold, the most ridiculous, and ungodly successful run
11% crits on everything. Heartbreak set to maximum on the special. Charged special for more damage. And, as an added bonus, I had a rare Hermes boon to get faster specials.
The low health didn't matter because my damage output was ridiculous, and I could keep my distance because I was using the special
fierce iron
That's a lotta levels in Pressure Points, lol
spice turret
Straight up avoided boons because my Poms wouldn't be as reliable.
kind cloud
help me understand that build, you spammed the spin attack and special right?
spice turret
Almost exclusively the special. Just about everything died so fast the spin didn't matter
kind cloud
the spin attack hits like 3-5 times per spin so basically 1 in every 2-3 spins did crit damage (using my rough math)
spice turret
And the only time it did matter was the final boss, at which point I had the requisite death defiance, HP, and damage output that it just wasn't worth spinning.
1.5k specials, on crit
kind cloud
wut
kind cloud
help me understand how you're doing 500 damage on special
isn't the guan yu special like 50 damage?
kind cloud
so 255% scaled it to 500?
spice turret
I had like... level 8 Aphrodite special, in epic
kind cloud
right
kind cloud
daedalus?
kind cloud
what does that do?
spice turret
It's actually in the highlighted set, if you look. It's the one that gives you up to 200% on skewer, but you have to charge it lik ethe bow
green sable
lets see if i can make it to hades this time
kind cloud
so yeah i can see how you were getting 500 damage with up to 200%
spice turret
And don't forget that I had my bloodstones in
So, on net, by some alchemy of those pieces, about 500 damage before crits
And 11% chance to crit.
The big man didn't stand a chance
kind cloud
you more or less basically had meg's call ability from companion
nice
and you could spam it at will
spice turret
Pretty much
kind cloud
since with guan yu the spear doesn't have to come back to you for repeat use
spice turret
Also, 3% from bouldy believing in me
But that says for 'attack' so probably not to my special 🤔
kind cloud
nice, i'll try to get something close to that build tomorrow
thanks for sharing @spice turret.
spice turret
Oh, and @kind cloud, one last thing. I think charged skewer actually sped up the output on my special? It felt like it recharged quicker, or something.
Because once I got that hammer, the whole build felt way less clunky.
kind cloud
hmm...possible, i'll keep that in mind to see if i get the same impression
green sable
ive not got call companion yet
inner sparrow
Here's a question for sword users: flurry slash or piercing wave?
atomic panther
Piercing Wave. Flurry Slash means you can't get World Splitter, and let's be honest, that's not worth it
(On a more serious note, Piercing Wave gives you a very reasonable ranged attack that's not bad at clearing groups of enemies)
inner sparrow
40% dodge chance with lambent plume and hermes boon
atomic panther
Heck yeah
green sable
omg the cluster rockets are SO awesome
and the last 4 rooms offered me love goddess....for some weird reason
like in a row
inner sparrow
I found I rarely took Aphrodite when I first started playing but now I take her a lot more often
mighty ermine
her damage scaling is among the best, and weak is free progress towards privileged status while also just being a safe status, especially on high heat
she's great
inner sparrow
Crit damage double dash hit sword is working well
sinful arrow
How do you even unlock the lyre? I've tried looking it up but found nothing and it wasn't in the bedchambers page either
rose geode
@sinful arrow I think it's a rng conversation with Orpheus that unlocks the lyre in the gem shop
sinful arrow
Ah makes sense. I just recently got him in the house so maybe I just haven't gotten to that convo yet
inner sparrow
I've been playing it 10-15 times between runs and it has been going quickly
Last run he started bad and then played a riff and said something like "ah, like this!" and then after that it takes a bit before I can play again because it's full parts
mighty ermine
zag begins to channel his inner darren
inner sparrow
That's the point where you complete the Gift of Song prophecy apparently. I just got it completed.
woven hill
I finally managed to get enough diamonds for one of the big boy contractor items and I went with the keys -> fated authority
Immediate joy as I have more incentive to hunt down keys and can roll to work towards duos
green sable
i need the diamonds to help a person 🙂
dense locust
Maybe it was a bug, but I swear the old spiked collar used to give me the hp permanently once I had the keepsake for a level. More likely I was just a full noob and never noticed it went away when i swapped mid run
by old spiked collar I mean when I was new LUL
dense locust
But you have to be holding ir
it
When i first started I thought if a had it for a level it would stay after I swapped it for one that gives gold for example
I had it*
kind cloud
i've come to the sad realization that i probably won't ever be good enough to use any of the non-shield weapons at 12+ heat.
the time i would need to invest to become good at them is...too much.
reef galleon
dense locust
Yeah the skill required to play any of the given weapons well isn't super high. The ability to progress farther comes more from luck, smart boon/item choices, smart keepsake choices, luck, heat choices, luck, and yeah smart game play, but I think it's low on the list due to the nature of the game
Now does anyone know if explosive return activates for each shield from aspect of chaos
dense locust
thank you
kind cloud
yeah, someone asked if artemis crit applied to all the shields
that would be super OP
dense locust
I'd love if they specified that. There are a number of combos where when your weapon splits. there is still a main one and then a bunch of secondary
kind cloud
also, i don't like how supergiant keeps nerfling ares
dense locust
It would be 300 damage around me every time I caught my shields
Not necessarily super OP but strong
kind cloud
ares epic special used to give me 140
dense locust
I guess the special damage multipliers would increase that
kind cloud
now it's 80 on epic
and no the damage would be much higher than 300 if artemis crit worked on explosive return
dense locust
Explosive return is a daedalus upgrade, is there rarity for daedalus hammer?
dense locust
If there was, that should also be a specified feature
You can get 2 hammers max a run
kind cloud
but that seems to have changed in recent patches
dense locust
but they are never colored to speciy rarity
kind cloud
yeah, i want to say around the december update there was some kind of limit
now i'm not so sure
dense locust
I read that its 2 max as far as the update before this one, and i dont think they changed it
kind cloud
i'm trying to think if i've ever gotten the hammer 3 times after picking it up twice
dense locust
But I also skimmed the patch notes very quickly
I think it was the wiki. Said that you can collect max 2 hammers but there is a chance 2 wont appear
Anyone know if chaos aspect for the shield procs thunder flourish for each shield?
Thunder flourish being the boon that procs a lightning bolt when an enemy is hit by special
north hedge
Does Fated Authority not work on Styx? I tried to roll something away (I think it may have been a centaur) but it only cycled coin/pom and then back to heart. I think I used 4 on it.
Or does it just not give boon
dense locust
I think a boon is a less likely reroll when used on a resources
But boons can also be rerolled to resources
As far as my experience at least. Rerolling a boon seems to have a high chance of becoming another boon, whereas rerolling a resource seems to have a lower chance of becoming a boon
Hearts and nectar included
Actually i don't know about rerolling hearts or nectar as i rarely do it
north hedge
Is there a known order for rolling boon to boon? I imagine there's some safety to prevent you locking thesues out of a move (sadly)
I know the blue resources are known, (third door rolls to nectar)
dense locust
Yeah ive noticed you'll typically have to roll through every common resource before hitting nectar, but ive noticed on Styx that rerolling any of the portals has basically equal chance to roll a boon (although darkness, keys, nectar, and gems arent in the pool, which is probably why you can roll gold or the heart easily into a boon, or vise vera
north hedge
I've never managed to roll coin/heart/pom in styx into a boon
maybe I'm just very unlucky
dense locust
It seems like its 25% ish in my exp
But rerolling a boon can also change to gold or heart
But it seems like if the starting item is a boon, it has a higher chance of rerolling into a boon
But this is all based only in my experience
Oh and add in pom to all of that
unborn trellis
keys, darkness gems and nectar never share a pool with things that help you in this run
check pins
dense locust
So rerolling any of those will never become gold, heart, or a boon
dense locust
Why do you call them meta resources
north hedge
Because they carry between runs
dense locust
Gotcha
tall whale
meta as in A prefix in words of Greek origin or formation, meaning ‘among, between, with, after, beyond, over,’ etc.,
dense locust
Meta has definitely become huge in this ages lexicon
dense locust
Metamorphosis
mild crag
Blame the term metagame
mild crag
But that's a non hades gameplay discussion anyway
dense locust
True, i can easily get distracted from the topic of a specific channel
or whatever they are called
lol
stoic crest
is it me, or is "different league" kinda busted?
15% damage reduction sounds ridiculous
no downsides to it. Effectively gives you 15% extra health
stoic crest
at 250 health (what I have), it basically gives me 37.5 HP which is a heart and a half
dense locust
But it is a boon
The one i find op is the 45% evasion and movement speed after using call
for 15 seconds
stoic crest
that's hermes right
dense locust
I have to check the wiki
does evasion stack additively?
so if you were to some how build up 100% evasion, you couldnt be hit?
I think it is hermes
Actually yes i am positive now that i actually think about it
normal pecan
it's hermes yeah
mild crag
Different league only affects nearby enemies
So it's not everything
That's why it's a higher percentage than bronze skin
And possibly yes
But you couldn't have 100% uptime on it
Since you'd need second wind
Which has a duration
dense locust
What I meant is during the duration that you have 100% evasion
Are there attacks that hit regardless of evasion?
i'd imagine traps would
Oh i didn't realize they heavily nerfed second wind from 15 seconds to 6
15 was ridiculous to be fair
kind cloud
for those that wonder why the sword was so strong in the early updates before it got nerfed, watch the documentary (not the whole thing if you don't want to) -- just go to 11:06 to see how quickly the special (in this case deflect) activated...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzyE9hi912c
/shed a tear...
marble ridge
heh
kind cloud
athena's deflect on sword special was so cash
and after playing hades for the past few hours i just realized that guan yu's spin attack is kinda like zeus aspect on shield but guan yu's has life steal, but zeus shield aspect can be made interesting if you recall it and dash around like the room like crazy and then shield basically turns into a dog chasing after its owner
it's pretty funny if you have ares on zeus aspect special and have something potent like ares or dionysus on dash
dense locust
Epic second wind tells me it lasts for 15 seconds but the wiki says 6
woeful stirrup
Is your version up to date? It used to be 15 seconds, but it's been changed to 6 because it was way OP.
With the epic version, the Plume and Greater Evasion, you could get 100% dodge for 15 seconds, which was insane (it's still pretty good if you manage to get that combo, 6 seconds of invulnerability is amazing).
rocky cave
what version are you on? latest is v0.25053
dense locust
I can screen shot it
quaint wind
Hi everyone pleasure to be here got couple of questions mostly about difficulty spike with the Heat
lament coral
and I don't get Zeus shield, at all
I tried playing recall with Explosive Return but it's too slow, and throw n dash method is just a pain in the ass cuz it takes forever to kill enemies
I spent most of my time just using the normal attack
the only times Zeus shield was useful were against Hydra and Theseus' 2nd phase, cause he just stands after using the call
quaint wind
Is it intended to be absolutely unbeatable with 30 or more heat sins you ate just waiting for lucky boon drops
And have to go on repeat
Untill you get lucky run
?
lament coral
yes, 32 heat is often just about getting lucky with your boons
are you trying to do it with the timer?
lament coral
well, you're already smarter than me
quaint wind
And there is clearly
lament coral
Chaos shield is the most common weapon used to crush 32
quaint wind
4 things that are just horrible compared to others
lament coral
Dionysus special and Aphrodite attack, start with Dio keepsake then switch to Aphro in Asphodel
quaint wind
Attack speed on 100% is nuts
dense locust
To get back to what I was saying, considering I have the most recent version but second wind still tells me it lasts 15 seconds, what's the best way to report a bug
dense locust
Well the wiki says 6
rocky cave
it's more likely the wiki is outdated my dude
lament coral
dude, the wiki is completely out of date
dense locust
okay
lament coral
do not rely on it for anything but general information
dense locust
i thought the change from 15 to 6 made sense
lament coral
hell, just look at the boons - wiki still states that there are no heroic versions of most of em, which is not true
dense locust
but i didn't know it was so unreliable
rocky cave
a patch from last week:
- Second Wind (Hermes): increased effect duration; increased power scaling from improved rarity
dense locust
okay thanks
rocky cave
but it's a wiki, so anyone can edit it... ;)
quaint wind
Oh and is it everyone who is always hit by minotaur when he is in armor
dense locust
that is so strong, 45% evasion for 15 every call? That's basically permanent once you get it going
Are there attacks that ignore evasion?
quaint wind
No
dense locust
even traps?
dense locust
sorry, that wasn't part of my question but i was wondering
quaint wind
Not sure
kind cloud
re: demeter
her call is 15 seconds
(just now seeing this)
i used her call last run and it lasted for 15 seconds for me against theseus and minotaur
so i guess it was supposed to get knocked down to 6?
quaint wind
Compered to other calls its not the strongest
quaint wind
Its dps is quite low
dense locust
I don't like it because its localized to where it was cast
quaint wind
Its ok
lament coral
its only real strength is repeated application of chill
kind cloud
i like ares vicious cycle legendary is much easier to get now
lament coral
if you need a duo to make the worst cast in the game worthwhile, it's bad
quaint wind
Yeaah
kind cloud
ares vc on max call + artemis crit lvl up 2 or 3 times is so cash
lament coral
duo tracking speed should be the default speed of Demeter cast, and it should apply chill
lament coral
and the duo should just increase the damage and grant it piercing
kind cloud
btw, i mentioned that i didn't like that ares is getting scaled down
kind cloud
demeter cast is a like a turret, i like the design and use of it
dense locust
I still cant find demeters cast useful because positioning is hard 😦
lament coral
I also don't like her "chill AOE around yourself when you cast" boon
how often do you use casts when at point blank to enemies?
dense locust
Its strong as hell when you lay the turrets right
but when the enemy immediately moves out of it it hurts
kind cloud
@dense locust i use it often against bosses like minotaur and hades since you know they'll be targeting your positioning
quaint wind
Thats not too bad id say cast and call would need more attention then anything
kind cloud
i don't use it against common enemies
dense locust
@kind cloud yeah good point, it's more of a boss killer
lament coral
considering how much bosses move, I don't see how it's a boss killer
quaint wind
Unless you play without heat
dense locust
i suppose you could also bait enemies into
quaint wind
Cuz with it
dense locust
iit
lament coral
Artemis cast does way more work than Demeter
kind cloud
btw, does artemis hunting blades work demeter cast?
quaint wind
No
dense locust
I'm like 12-13 heat with every weapon
lament coral
Hunting Blades is Ares duo