or first or second hydra phase
#h1-builds-and-combat
teal laurel
earnest delta
i had that build yesterday, it was so good
teal laurel
also good at one shotting theseus while he summons the gods
versed flame
I guess it would be a bit op, LaChouette, but maybe it is more.. Too alike other weapons? Less identity for the sword (I dunno)
earnest delta
i feel guan yu is free up until styx and final boss cuz by then u can get nearly one shot if u didnt get enough hp
novel python
I'm sad that athena doesn't deflect lasers, it'd look so memey
solid cairn
Guan yu op
pure junco
^
pure junco
I have both spin boons from Daedulus
earnest delta
i had an heroic dionysus boon for the poison on guan yu
so u just throw it and it insta applies 5 hangover
it was so funny
novel python
Do that, get Aphro on special and get the duo
Apply Weak with Special then throw the disk
Bam, insta 8 stacks
earnest delta
i had boon on special
for the extra 50% dmg
*doom
the damage was ridiculous but since i didnt get much hp i just died to final boss
can you avoid his spin attack by being melee range to the character model? does it hit the center? i usually just run really far away cuz i was unsure
pure junco
Guan Yu is laughably easy.
Who thought that this was a good idea.
I have not even upgraded the aspect.
alpine ivy
ok
pure junco
I had sub 30 second T&M fight.
alpine ivy
ok
pure junco
I remembered to use Skelly
proud storm
guan yu is fun
earnest delta
guan yu is incredibly fun but final boss hitting 50 dmg per hit makes that fight still fairly hard
rooms are laughably easy tho
fleet vigil
Maybe it sucks at higher heat but it dominated him here.
earnest delta
yea i play on hell mode
fleet vigil
You can stand behind walls and get free healing lol
pure junco
Support fire 
earnest delta
he spawned 2 armored butterfly balls in my fight vs him
they kinda poked at me more than i liked <.<
i just misplayed the fight
i got to 2nd phase but died to the 22 dmg per tick laser
plush holly
you do know of all the points where you can stand behind pillars right?
also yeah i feel the butterfly spawns in the fight it's super annoying
earnest delta
i know 2 of them, but there's a third one in the right of the arena that also works but has an inconsistent hitbox
i tried hiding behind it and it worked for a second then the laser went through
earnest delta
i have a clip of it but idk if im even allowed to link clips here but ye
plush holly
you have to angle it
earnest delta
his spin attack goes through terrain tho
fleet vigil
Whats the best god for casting?
Is it artemis crit cast? Going to try to clear with the poseidon sword now
earnest delta
my fav are probably dionysus, zeus and artemis
fleet vigil
Or maybe shotgun would be better
earnest delta
they gotta be higher rarity tho
plush holly
best way to dodge his spin attack is either using your i-frames or doing two spaced out dashes through him
fleet vigil
Shotgun is dion?
plush holly
best god for calling i think is either athena or ares
earnest delta
athena i think is best with dash
fleet vigil
Got screwed by hammer roll at the start after choosing athena relic
plush holly
what heat do you currently play at?
earnest delta
me?
plush holly
yeah
earnest delta
got the hell mode mandatory modifiers so 5 for everything besides Rail, which is at 6, and shield, which is at 7
plush holly
what?
green sable
I dunno about rail that weapon is not winning my love at all.
earnest delta
i consistently reach the final boss but often times not having high enough rarity on boons is rough
i increased rail's ammo to an extra 6 i believe
plush holly
but, just use hestias
green sable
i was using it
plush holly
hestia rail is borderline broken
pure junco
^
earnest delta
which one is hestia
pure junco
Not as good as Guan Yu
solid cairn
Guys
green sable
the one where you reload and get a good shot after
pure junco
Guan Yu Gang
plush holly
i need to get more titan's blood oof
solid cairn
This guy on the street was offering me marijuana, but I was like, “sorry, I only do Mariguana”
🥁
plush holly
no but the hestias rail can do a base 150 damage at max lv
green sable
till you get the hammer that gives you unlimited ammo then that one is rendered meh
earnest delta
the most annoying part of hell mode is losing the rewards for heat 0 through 4
solid cairn
You can reload with full ammo
Guys
Infinite ammo was bad before the patch
It wasn’t a good upgrade
thick sedge
did it get changed?
solid cairn
Yes it now has a burst shot
earnest delta
does anyone else feel Tisiphone is a lot harder than any of the others? i feel she hits as hard as Alecto when she's enraged
thick sedge
ooh
solid cairn
So it’s very bad
earnest delta
i can usually flawless meg and alecto now but tisiphone's extreme aggro and damage just makes her ridiculously harder
pure junco
Charged Skewer + Artemis Special = 800 ranged dmg crits with fast special.
proud storm
her moves are super telegraphed though
plush holly
if you're quick on your reactions you can dodge most of tisiphonies stuff
pure junco
Tis is 2nd easiest
earnest delta
also the boss modifier to fight all 3, on the tiny arena she does is just so much
pure junco
Alecto easiest
earnest delta
u got a full room for meg and alecto
so dodging attack from 3 furies isnt that bad
fallow niche
@heady zephyr There are fishing spots that give diamonds and bloods already in the game.
earnest delta
but on the smallest room with tisiphone, dodging attacks from 3 furies is damn difficult
pure junco
Charged skewer is probably one of the best boons by itself.
earnest delta
what's the highest crit yall ever got
i think mine was like 920 that was kinda funny
pure junco
1800 ish? I don't remember
proud storm
i had a 10k once
plush holly
10k damn
earnest delta
10k
proud storm
because one time thanatos showed up and instakilled some guy with the marked status
so his attack crit for 10k
plush holly
ah makes sense
pure junco
Nice
earnest delta
i had the 300% dmg bow, with artemis main attack with increase crit dmg boon from artemis and i still only did 920
how do u even reach 2.5k
plush holly
damn, i have a picture of the most broken bow build i had
dm me if yall wanna see it because i don't know how to post links to pics
proud storm
ares special with bow + dire misfortune + impending doom + pressure points
- privileged status, pierced butterfly
earnest delta
ah the butterfly too
im at the moment just trying to rank everything to 3, so im not using any rank 3 keepsakes
proud storm
i know i fed ares' special and impending doom an ungodly amount of poms
earnest delta
which rarity were they tho
proud storm
heroic and epic respectively
earnest delta
ooh
question, do you waste your levels if you trade an upgraded boon for another of higher rarity?
earnest delta
so it starts at whichever level the lower rarity boon was, neat
solid cairn
I feel like guan yu is just everything I like about nemesis but better
solid cairn
Only initial
proud storm
only on initial hit
fleet vigil
Cause isn't that just not as much dps since you can't recover it
proud storm
the fog stuns enemies
solid cairn
But it is very powerful
fleet vigil
Yeah but you only get 3 shots and then wait..
solid cairn
Yeah not the best cast
fleet vigil
Which means you can't use the poseidon buff 😮
earnest delta
the fog is also cc, it doesnt get stuck inside enemies and there are dio boons to synergize with it
plush holly
there's a duo between dio and zeus with festive fog where lightning his in the festive fog
proud storm
the duos involving festive fog make it disgustingly powerful
alternatively dio's cast with hera's bow is also very good
earnest delta
i had an hilarious run where i had 7 casts, artemis boon for double cast (giving me a total of 14), zeus cast and the duo boon to make casts on the floor do lightning damage
they were all epic or higher too
that was my heat 5 win with the rail
fleet vigil
Hm..so just hope I get zeus in 2 stages
earnest delta
zeus is probably the best for room clearing but it's kinda eh in bosses besides hydra
plush holly
i had a cast run with are's beyblade thing where there were 6 of them and they searched for enemies, and they were the same size as a small planet
it was great
earnest delta
ares seems kinda underwhelming unless u have that boon that makes them target enemies
fallow niche
Doom damage is absurdly good
plush holly
^
fallow niche
You either do a Doom + some other curse build from another god with him, or you go Ares/Artemis for hunting blades
river garden
Doom with fast attack is not that good though
earnest delta
^
fallow niche
It is with Athena Duo 
river garden
Imagine if fast attack refreshed doom and upped it damage
fallow niche
I mean there are boons that do that
earnest delta
then it'd just make hangover useless tho
river garden
Isn't it already useless?
plush holly
hangover on the dash is pretty nice to have
earnest delta
not if you use guan yu for instant 5 stacks 
fallow niche
One boon increases Doom damage by 8+ each time you reapply it, another boon (a Duo) instantly activates Doom damage all the time so you can reapply it constantly
plush holly
what boon was that one?
plush holly
ah i see
fallow niche
The Ares / Aphrodite duo is good too
earnest delta
poseidon main attack seems pretty eh for bosses, even if u have the boon for increased dmg on knockback bosses
fallow niche
Posiedon is poo generally speaking
earnest delta
the increased room rewards are good but that's about it
fallow niche
He absolutely crushes non-boss combat but does nothing to bosses
proud storm
poseidon is rly good for room clearing
earnest delta
ye
pure junco
Highest crit I have gotten is 979, not 1800, sadly.
fallow niche
Poseidon's dash is his best boon
proud storm
never got wave pounding so i cant speak for bosses
fallow niche
Or his Duo with Zeus
But that requires you to go Zeus/Poseidon, the two worst gods
LMAO
earnest delta
also is aphrodite's call just garbage or am i missing something
fallow niche
Ironic
proud storm
ZEUS IS GOOD WHAT THE HELL
plush holly
zeus is pretty bad
earnest delta
hm, guess i'll try it in increased rarity
proud storm
naive cobalt
Sea Storm is great
Instant proc of privileged status if you have razor shoals and jolt
fallow niche
Zeus is definitely one of the worse gods. He's not trash or anything and has his builds where he's great (looking at you Flurry Spear and Rail), but he's definitely one of the more underwhelming gods
earnest delta
best gods are the ones with good main attacks for bosses
but the chain lightning is eh
poseidon is eh
athena main attack is eh too
fallow niche
@naive cobalt Its definitely real powerful when you get all that together, but that requires like 5 boons. 3 of which need to be specific, and with boon RNG you might have to go through even more of each of their boons to get it all
fleet vigil
Hmm is there any cast buff for sword in daedulus?
earnest delta
why is it good on shield when u can just... block
fallow niche
Avoid hammers for Poseidon sword choco
@earnest delta Procs merciful end more
Open your mind to the synergies my friend!
That build is legit used by speedrunners
earnest delta
i feel shield blocking needs a nerf tho. like with most attacks ur like "oh no the final boss is gonna combo i gotta dodge away from that spin by dashing and bla bla bla"
pure junco
Zues and Poseidon are worst gods
earnest delta
with shield you're just... "hold mouse1"
fallow niche
I feel like other weapons need more buffs before then imho
earnest delta
full block
earnest delta
like when i realized i could literally stand still and block theseus spears LUL
fallow niche
blocking theseus spears instead of running his butt down
green sable
i really hate that guy lol
earnest delta
maybe add a parry mechanic to full block 🤔
fallow niche
its a shield, not a cardboard box
a shield made by the primordial nothing of the beginning even
used to kill the titans
earnest delta
well yes but gameplay > story imo
fallow niche
ludonarrative dissonance is a real thing
earnest delta
i beat hell mode 5 and then hell mode 6 back to back with shield
fallow niche
also its not like shield needs a block nerf
at all
you claim its for gameplay
but it wouldn't add anything
it would also make bull rush significantly harder to achieve since charge attacks get cancelled when hit
also you're not completely covered by the shield, only a front angle
and i've been hit by things in the front regardless sometimes too
fallow niche
what does that even mean
you can turn?
good, because if you stay still in this game you're dead lol
the gameplay is quite fast-paced
fleet vigil
The shield can actually block?
earnest delta
yes
fleet vigil
Literally never knew that ever..and it never tells you
fleet vigil
..........
earnest delta
or explosions
fleet vigil
How is that never mentioned ever? How did you find out?>
earnest delta
by accident
i was bullrushing theseus
and i blocked his spear
that's... how i found out
fallow niche
The rest of the weapons besides Guan Yu lack any defensive part of their kit and that makes them lackluster. Nobody wants to nerf the few things that are good and give them identity for no reason, the devs even just faced backlask for that and undid a TON of nerfs to the player over the last few patches.
earnest delta
first time i found that out, i won the run the next time LUL
fleet vigil
-.- I knew when I saw bullrush nerfs on the patch notes there was something I was missing.
fallow niche
Shield is good but if you nerf everything that's good and not OP then you just get a boring or frustrating game
Rail is far more powerful than base shield too as an example
earnest delta
u can literally stand still in those exploding chariot rooms and as long as u turn properly towards them, you can full block every single explosion it's hilarious @fleet vigil
fallow niche
It doesn't need to block since its a mobile ranged weapon
serene nexus
In exchange for its defensive capabilities it’s DPS is lower than other weapons
Besides once you know the patterns of everything, being able to block is less of a benefit
pure junco
Demeter call worst call
fallow niche
wot
lament coral
shield could use a nerf, like a stamina bar
pure junco
No
fallow niche
Ares call is trash without his legendary
lament coral
really? how is it good, aside from stacking chill?
earnest delta
Stamina bar would be interesting
pure junco
Ares call is better
fallow niche
Yeah, no
lament coral
and Ares call benefits from blade boons
pure junco
Chill is not worth, damage sucks too.
fallow niche
Chill is very good lmao what
lament coral
Demeter call only has Arctic Blast
serene nexus
Chill is not worth it on certain weapons
pure junco
Chill is only good if you are not good enough to dash
fallow niche
The chill lets you apply privileged status and the slow is really powerful
Yeah you have no clue what you're talking about
lament coral
chill is always good, it lasts for eight seconds
fallow niche
Ares call does even less damage and you can't attack
pure junco
Ares makes you invuln
green sable
chill is an aquired taste imo
fallow niche
Invuln in a useless state
pure junco
Not if you deal damage
river garden
Ares' damage not that big tbh
fallow niche
You need a bunch of blade rift upgrades
green sable
its not weak by any stretch its just not my prefered death dealing 🙂
fallow niche
Namely the legendary
supple haven
Artemis call can crit 
pure junco
Mhm
supple haven
Artemis call is clearly the best
earnest delta
artemis call only feels good IF it crits
pure junco
You don't need any
green sable
my run right now is sword with arti crit on the main strike
earnest delta
damage seems so low without crits
pure junco
Demeter call is just plain not great
fallow niche
If you don't then its awful
serene nexus
Artemis call is only really good at full charge
earnest delta
why get ares call when u can get athena call
earnest delta
and be invulnerable WHILE attacking
supple haven
None of these calls crit except artemis
fallow niche
Not all calls are meant as a pure nuke
serene nexus
That’s because you need to treat it less as a damage dealer in and of itself and more of a privilege status thing
fallow niche
Otherwise we'd only use Aphrodite call
supple haven
Artemis is a pure nuke
earnest delta
cc is powerful, yo
fallow niche
Yup
earnest delta
damage is not everything
serene nexus
It’s because it’s a slow that the status lasts really long
pure junco
All the time
supple haven
All gods suck except artemis 
pure junco
Slow is only good if you are bad enough to need it
fallow niche
Hahahaha
serene nexus
Hahaha
supple haven
And you all know it
earnest delta
damn that's impressive forge
serene nexus
Honestly I used to run Nemesis with weak/doom
fallow niche
Demeter's slow is very good in my opinion
She doesn't do a lot of damage but reducing enemy movement and attack speed is strong
serene nexus
But weak and slow means that the status lasts for longer
fallow niche
And applying privileged status for damage is real
serene nexus
The attack speed slow is useful as well. Especially since I tend to go for forced overtime on the pact
supple haven
Rupture also lasts long right?
serene nexus
Yep.
green sable
i could never get that rolling well.
earnest delta
but then you're stuck with poseidon, nobody wants that 
supple haven
serene nexus
I put it on my dash lol
supple haven
Hating on my boy poseiden
fallow niche
I will say if I don't have a dash by Elysium and I see a poseidon I may hit him up for that dash
green sable
ya water god dash is fine imo
serene nexus
When I can’t get athena
fallow niche
Poseidon dash deletes Styx
rancid shore
his dash is the only active i take
serene nexus
It does and any sort of Styx advantage post spear nerf is welcome
rancid shore
everything else makes my life harder
earnest delta
you actually dash in styx instead of staying in a corner scared of the poison
serene nexus
Yep. Like Charon with Poseidon special
muted needle
"nobody wants poseidon" 
delete this nephew
serene nexus
That was a nightmare...
supple haven
Cant u get rupture and jolted on one button with the duo boon?
fallow niche
I run down peeps in Styx
serene nexus
Yes
fallow niche
Want them dead asap
earnest delta
satyrs are my weakness
fallow niche
Still use spearpoint because Hades is a chump and that poison will end you otherwise
muted needle
I go all in on poseidon whenever I can (unless I'm on sword)
rancid shore
the poison is so brutal now
rancid shore
i looked away for literally a second and half my health was gone in a run earlier today
muted needle
double knockback with lightning assist is amazeballs
unkempt pagoda
poseidon dash is what we call bullying
muted needle
and hilarious
earnest delta
you gotta look for the cures before you're poison
which sounds obvious
but im an idiot
supple haven
U guys dont use butterfly?
earnest delta
so i panic around looking for it after i get poisoned
serene nexus
Yeah. I had Zeus special on sword and got the dual boon and rupture
earnest delta
which keepsakes do you use normally forge?
muted needle
booo butterfly yay plume
fallow niche
I go Purse > God trinkets > spearpoint usually
earnest delta
especially at that heat when ur mirror maximum is like 500
muted needle
gotta go fast (tm)
fallow niche
It depends on the run
But I usually do that
Some weapons require god boons and not purse
fallow niche
Or I take purse in Elysium
rancid shore
do you take purse with poseidon aspect?
earnest delta
how do u even find epic boons with 500 heat
earnest delta
*500 darkness
serene nexus
I usually go Chaos Egg > God Boon > God Boon > Purse/Boon > Tooth
rancid shore
okay so i'm not stupid yay
supple haven
Artemis?
fallow niche
Artemis cast on Poseidon sword is nuts
earnest delta
chaos egg is good unless u get the bad rng
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/671043266980085760/unknown.png Notice shady there which hasn't been used the entire run 😂
fallow niche
Someone just got a 10 minute run with Poseidon sword + Artemis cast
earnest delta
and dont see any portals
serene nexus
.... that’s a very good question
muted needle
Chaos > God > God > God > Earring, most of the time for me
serene nexus
When is Artemis NOT useful
fallow niche
Depends on the build
muted needle
Or Chaos > God > God > Purse > Earring
fallow niche
Chaos start ain't bad honestly
serene nexus
Remind me, earring is the one that gives you bonus damage at lower HP, right?
fallow niche
Using god trinkets is important for getting a build together tho imho
serene nexus
It does suck.
muted needle
40% bonus at 30% hp
supple haven
Just buy the portal
full flame
you can only use 4 keepsakes per run, not 5
fallow niche
But after the buffs to poison I NEVER use earring anymore
I need defensive trinket for styx
muted needle
ok then reduce a god boon lol I dunno
green sable
i don't even bother with the shop if i am broke lol
muted needle
The thing is that I generally always make hades with 2-3 DD, and I will 100% take damage from him because I yolo a little too hard, and after a DD pops you basically are 1 hit from the 30% again where you're doing mad deeps, I dunno I like earring
earnest delta
do the hell mode rooms count as a total towards that floor, or are they a bonus room?
full flame
they count unless it's right before the boss
novel python
Did anyone find out the prerequisites for The GIft of Song?
green sable
i bought some music and the lyre but no dice yet
muted needle
Just keep practicing even a few times as you walk through
You'll get dialogue options then
serene nexus
I’ve gotten to the point where it sounds decent
fallow niche
@novel python get the harp
serene nexus
The key is to play several times before talking with Orpheus
fallow niche
from the contractor
and then play it a few times and talk to him in between runs
and when it sounds sort of okayish you just jam it
for like
earnest delta
like pressing play 5 times before starting a run?
fallow niche
100 times in a row
green sable
thats what ive been doing just no luck yet
fallow niche
you just go ham
rancid shore
Yeah you'll have an easier time progressing if you don't talk to Orpheus before you play the lyre and then go talk to him then
fallow niche
until it sounds like a song
rancid shore
He'll just do whatever RNG lines if you play the lyre before starting a run and talk to him at the end
novel python
Lmao I did it like 2 times now ( been doing it previously too ) and I got out and the dialogue started
earnest delta
cant do 100 times in a row cuz i only play on stream lmao
fleet vigil
Holy wtf
Screenshoting for a bug doesn't pause lol
I have the legendary recall from hermes..and the fesive fog
I used all 3 and hades transitioned.,,then I had no more casts for the rest of the fight
earnest delta
ah yes
fleet vigil
None of them on the map or in inventory.
fallow niche
Casts disappear all the time
earnest delta
he clears all field effects
fallow niche
Its awful
earnest delta
that includes fog
fallow niche
The Hermes legendary should just be part of how casts work
CHANGE MY MIND
Or at least added to the mirror as an upgrade
full flame
rip Zeus/Artemis duo
fleet vigil
Luckily i had hangover procs or I would have instant lost since the build was all about cast..
fallow niche
@full flame It was poo anyway
serene nexus
That would make the Zeus/Artemis useles
earnest delta
what if u dont want to have the casts cuz u have the demeter boon
serene nexus
You lodge them into the enemy
novel python
Make them zap WHILE in the enemy
serene nexus
To get that nice damage bonus
novel python
SG pls
earnest delta
forge what aspect do u use on the bow
full flame
eh, i had one run with that duo and the rest of my build sucked and i managed to win just be running around while bloodstone lightning killed bosses
fallow niche
@earnest delta prob needs to be changed regardless because you can get a really op build going by getting rid of all your extra casts from the mirror and getting that boon early in a run
serene nexus
That’s actually a good idea. Enemies with stones lodged in them take periodic shock damage
earnest delta
there's a boon kinda like that, except they take the dmg when the cast dislodges
fallow niche
@earnest delta I try all aspects on all weps, I like variety. My favorite is Hera right now though
Festive Fog on Hera is amazing
earnest delta
dont u lose the wave clear from the special tho
novel python
I've just gotten iced wine
No
Cuz dios cast
Is huge
It's your main clear
Also if you manage to get zeus duo
You're set
fallow niche
@serene nexus @earnest delta dislodge damage is an artemis boon already that's very good with Poseidon Sword
serene nexus
Fair. Just throwing ideas out
fallow niche
Zeus/Artemis duo should make zeus cast good somehow like it does with ares cast
Because zeus cast is also awful on its own atm
athena cast is good and has that zeus duo boon, ares cast has hunting blades, dio cast has several amazing duos, demeter has artemis duo to make it good (still needs a minor buff tho imo), and artemis and aphrodite are good on their own without duos (nor do they have any)
zeus is the only cast in the game that's totally unredeemable under any circumstance
change artemis/zeus duo to buff his cast in a cool way and that would kill two birds with one stone
fleet vigil
Does aspect of eris override the bomb special cast?
Or would you still take damage anyways
fallow niche
Bomb special cast?
fierce iron
You mean Hazard Bomb?
fleet vigil
Yea there ya go.
fleet vigil
Only 20 hours in so no idea on the names, just grinding
Damn.
Was hoping it'd actually absorb like it says lol
fallow niche
Its only like 5 damage isn't it?
fleet vigil
Maybe 3?
fallow niche
Seems fine lmaooo
fleet vigil
I finally got a clear, now I need a new build to go for.
Cleared with all weps I mean.
fallow niche
Choose a god combo you'd like to try and then choose a weapon you'd think would fit that
And go explore
Seems like a good route forward
teal laurel
i died due to spinning a lot
granite lava
to even start playing guan yu you need it level 5 
teal laurel
man im bad with spear back to my all in/ in your face weapons
fleet vigil
Get quick spin and big spin lol
fleet vigil
I suck at spear and that was a free win
teal laurel
D^:
turbid needle
My tip would be, don't go for the max spin
Just keep throwing out spins and dashing away
As many as you can, even the small ones lmao
fierce iron
Quick Spin is really all you need imo, but Massive Spin also helps
otherwise just dash out of your spin charges
turbid needle
We all have our ways
I can't ever win with the bow, but Spear and Sword has been great
thick sedge
I'm a sword and shield man myself
teal laurel
i can win with bow if I try hard enough
Bow is my pocket
i cant use spear
im bad with achi
guan and zag
unless i open with zag explosive launcher
into sharged skewer
i can play with the rail but i dont find it fun
weirdly
green sable
im trying a new sword thing atm myself
i got the chop to it along with the shadow strike...its nice
the bow imo is the least fav weapon
novel python
Dem Attack or special? Hera run, got dio cast and athena dash atm
earnest delta
i just go for highest rarity
novel python
thats the attack, but I thought that maybe special would be able to apply to multiple targets faster
That's why I can't decide
fierce iron
If you had the piercing special, special would work, but eh
unkempt ridge
the attack will give you the 50% damage boost for the double debuff on anything you hit with a cast loaded
green sable
shadow strike is stupidly good against the king and his sidekick..they keep turning there back to you lol
i was doing like 1106 dmg lol
like for 3 or 4 times in a row
novel python
@fierce iron just as you said that I got the piercing special
green sable
busting armor is always fun
novel python
Which is kinda the best option here considering the other two are charged special or perfect strike
fierce iron
lol, dang dude
green sable
on the spear its very nice
novel python
And I ain't about using power shots
green sable
the spear with the explody shots are my bae
novel python
Perfect shot* w/e
novel python
Hmm athena special or expose on dash?
teal laurel
I actually value world splitter really low
well mid priority
i get it if i cant get anything for dash strike
or anything that stacks with it
turbid needle
World splitter with Artemis can get crazy
I wanted to screenshot the 1337 crits I was doing but I didn't get it
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/671053667608166419/unknown.png Can I take them all, please? 😦
turbid needle
True, I did manage to get 30% attack speed of Hermes for that run
teal laurel
there's a lot of other hamemr traps for sword that by comparison id rather take world splitter
piercing wave i actually like
turbid needle
How do you find the Exagryph?
teal laurel
its only 20 sure but that's one normal attack or chop
along side your actualy dash strike or chop
finite grail
the flurry one is really fun for sword
teal laurel
its twice the damage with no additional lag
finite grail
Especially with lifegain
turbid needle
Hmm, I must have had a bad first impression with Piercing wave, I remember I picked up during a cast build
I should try building around it next time
green sable
how many levels till an aspect is maxed out...5..10?
turbid needle
I've only ever seen 5, but I only have 3 maxed out
green sable
then 5 is fine by me
teal laurel
oh you dont really build around it
it goes well with any attack based build
even a world splitter build
90 becomes 110 damage
teal laurel
split into two close instances
teal laurel
yeah
fleet vigil
Wow...so many extra things it never tells you
You can load every cast at once with hera
I thought you had to do 1 fire 1 fire 1
novel python
I'm mid Asphodel, is Rare Crop still worth taking?
teal laurel
either that or demter zeus dionysus
muted needle
IMO yes @novel python just hit up an extra room in styx if you need to to heroicize them
novel python
It didn't take my cast, fml
teal laurel
rare crop is worth to take asphodel actually
teal laurel
you want to have heroic but also you want to optimize the rewards
it depends what rarity crop is it and how many boons you have already
if its like 3-4 but you only have 2 its a waste
unless you really value those two boons
muted needle
Or those two boons are common or something
There is definitely a balancing act
But unless there is a clear winner out of the other 2 boon choices, I generally take Rare Crop
teal laurel
it depends if those two boons are you main damage dealer
like attack and special for nem aspect
but yeah rare crop is really heavy 🤔 kind of boon
solid cairn
You don’t want Demeter attack on nemesis what
teal laurel
i meant if you have a good attack boon and aa special boon
like Aphro/ demeter attack boon with athena special boon
you might want to consider getting rare crop even if it means not being efficient with it
cause heroic to both is huge bump to damage plus hella poms
dense star
Eh, demeter attack applies status, can't be that bad on nemesis sword
Sure it's not artemis attack or something
dense star
Yeah
green sable
but having said that im still hunting for personal fav boons
but arti crits are top so far
imo
dense star
Somewhat helps with nemesis blade at least you have special for crit potential if you don't find artemis boons
teal laurel
artemis attack is only nice because of crits
Lmao
demeter is such a good attack boon
because of the damage bonus it gives
dense star
^ yeah, but you get a lot of crits
teal laurel
the status is a bonus
green sable
Theres also her support arrow but thats just meagar imo
broken cipher
Demeter attack is absolutely fine on Nemesis Sword. Did a run picking mostly Demeter boons and let me tell you. Those slow stacks built up quick. The burst was great for room clear too.
teal laurel
crits dont matter if the base damage is not good
yeah demeter deals damage and buff is helpful
green sable
Sword boon chop with 90 base dmg is good
broken cipher
That beautiful Privileged Status trigger when you get Dionysus too...
teal laurel
the only time id consider artemis attack is if its the dash attack one
or worl splitter
green sable
World splitter is nice so far
Skelly wants me to kill him lol
im trying to get a boon for sword thing which im running zag on it atm
teal laurel
world splitter is nice
but tbh its mid priiority boon
i wont take iti if there's anything better
unless you want to do a crit unga bunga damage build
green sable
id love to see some geniune hard hitting stuff
instead of this 15-20 bs
the shadow strike was doing good.
my highest hit on that was 1206 i think
it was against king asshat and his running meat factory
id love to hear some true hard striking stuff 🙂
teal laurel
I just want my poison cill build
wait does chill help rupture?
or no
does them moving slower make rupture Deal more damage or is it the inverse
fierce iron
I think it's just as long as they're moving, on their own or knockback
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/671065056842350592/unknown.png this was too close for comfort
fallow niche
Put in my 2 cents on casts
There are way too many problems caused by casts just sitting on the ground as-is
Either with bugs or just unintuitive sub-gamplay
I love my Poseidon sword a whole ton, but man can it be frustrating sometimes
Nice! Hera aspect with Festive Fog is fun @novel python
fallow niche
harsh epoch
Hey guys, anyone got a quick hera bow cast build tips?
night pasture
whatever gives your cast the most damage, athena and poiseidon are great
NOT something that vhanges yourcast, ares and femeter are right out
worn badge
aphordite's cast is really good for hera's
fallow niche
Festive Fog is actually good on it
reef galleon
faint sonnet
Hey, is the timer with Tight Deadline not supposed to go down during Thanatos Encounters?
plucky burrow
The shield can be hit or miss in my experience. Usually a miss but it might be my playstyle and not adapting. My successful clear run was with defensive boons, status boons, and kiting
night pasture
yes Brayden, in the most recent patch
faint sonnet
Ok cool
Also, Aphrodite Cast going out of reach on the barge of death. Anyone else seen this?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/651179632120430596/671091181454753802/Hades_00197.png
paper timber
Oh yes, I've actually reported a bug that aphrodite's cast can go through walls.
faint sonnet
Cool so i'm not alone 
harsh epoch
Hy, thanks for the tips. I actually went with ares, beat hades but took me an hour lol
stuck bough
https://gyazo.com/5d2835042d3306f44265cc3ecf173092 this run was all over the place
turbid ivy
Hey, all. Not sure if this is the right place to dump this question, but if not, please direct me to the correct channel and I'll get out of your hair.
I've just recently 'escaped', and am now curious about the heat rewards. If my rewards on, say, Coronacht are [x][x][x][ ] for heat 0, and I up to heat 1, they become [ ][ ][ ][ ]. Then if I were to get all rewards (or even just some) on that new run, what happens to my last reward for the lower heat? Do I lose the option to get it? Do I get it along with my new heat rewards? Is it worth sticking to a lower heat to get all rewards, or should you just move on in order to keep getting more bounties?
vocal sky
Heat 0 has rewards entirely separate from having heat. You can only get Heat 0 rewards from playing Heat 0. Otherwise, having any Heat will give you rewards for the lowest uncompleted Heat level. So if you have never completed Heat 1 and you turn it up to Heat 5, you will get rewards for Heat 1. Next run, if you won, staying on Heat 5, you will get rewards for Heat 2.
turbid ivy
Okay, so doing heat 1 will give those rewards, but won't lock out my ability to get the heat 0 rewards? Also, are you saying that your heat bounties will always require a completion for the next heat? So no, [x][x][ ][ ] on heat 1, and then going to heat 2 to get those first two again?
turbid needle
Correct.
vocal sky
Correct, you can't be locked out from getting any Heat rewards.
Also correct, if you only beat two bosses for Heat 1 rewards, then play again, those bosses will only give Darkness as rewards until you get the rest of the Heat 1 rewards.
turbid ivy
❤️ Thanks much!
vocal sky
No problem, and good luck escaping hell!
turbid ivy
Thanks; I'm gonna' need it (I suck). Oh, one more thing. Those heat-complete requirements are per weapon, or across everything?
vocal sky
Per weapon!
turbid ivy
Awesome, thanks again!
vocal sky
You're welcome!
fallow niche
these all actively make the build worse
why
are the new hammers supposed to make builds worse or what
snow tangle
Don't mind me, just gonna do 3k damage and send bosses to their next phase in one hit
turbid needle
I kinda like World Smasher.
plucky burrow
Changes bull rush base (max) 50 => 90 I believe
turbid needle
It also changes the charge mechanic and makes it auto-fire.
You'll also attack after a smash, which I'm not super stoked about, but it's in the game right now.
fallow niche
World smasher isn't bad at all, wasn't my point
Its that there are some hammers that are actively worse for some builds
And now there are enough that getting a hammer can actually make a build worse
Though I'm not sure what a solution around this would be
More diverse hammer upgrades is good for build diversity
It just makes the RNG that much worse in runs though
turbid needle
guys im confused how the budget reduction that increases heat works. i have max mirror upgrades, how does it affect them?
fallow niche
I'm fairly certain its just pure RNG isn't it, based on the seed?
Did SG talk about them being like that before?
@turbid needle The moment you start the run it'll take stuff out of your mirror until you meed the requirements
You can prepare for that run in advance by choosing what to keep and whatnot
But otherwise it chooses for you
full flame
@turbid needle when you enable that pact it creates a hard cap on your mirror of the amount selecting (initially 2500 darkness); it will automatically remove all darkness spent above that starting from the bottom. You can set up that pact, cancel out of that menu before attempting to escape and reallocate your darkness. Additionally, if you enable that pact, whenever you turn that pact back off, you have to go back to your mirror to respend your darkness over the previous limit.
turbid needle
oh thanks i guess ill try it out and see
fresh sundial
having a bit of difficulty finding info on this, but when you accept a chaos gate, does that count as moving one room through the area?
like, does it reduce how many more rooms I go through by replacing one of them?
mild crag
Yes counts as skipping a room
fresh sundial
alright cool, thanks
fresh sundial
keep going, there's still lots more content after hades for you to try out
unless you somehow 100% everything else without ever beating hades once
¯_(ツ)_/¯
untold quiver
unlocks.....kill time record....kill streak record
unkempt pagoda
chaos/erebus rooms count as a room, unless it opens right before a pre-boss shop
then it spits you out in the shop, adding to your room count
fresh sundial
interesting
tame urchin
can u unlock all the keepsakes item in this early access state ?
untold quiver
yup
rose geode
Any tips on playing with the new spear aspect? Keep having a hard time trying to learn how to use it well :(
tame urchin
i find the cronacht bow with aspect of zagreus to be strongest
crit op
maybe it just ez to play range
full flame
@rose geode practice getting used to the time it takes to charge up your spin attack; a lot of the gameplay is creating safe space, charging and releasing spin for main source of damage and healing; you can also charge the attack much farther away than normal, and then dash towards an enemy to close some of the gap before it releases; normal dash attacks are also a strong part of all spear aspects
mighty ermine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/671110972601008148/20200126151349_1.jpg absolutely ridiculous guan yu run
turbid needle
Vanish, have you tried Artemis attack on Zagreus bow?
mighty ermine
special crits doing 1600+ to hades lmao
tame urchin
na i havent but i will do now 🙂
oh artemis yee
forgot for a sec the range lady is amazing with it
gray lodge
Vanish what heat you at?
tame urchin
im not that farin the game i bought it 2 days ago and beat hades last night
gona start my first run with a heat idk
they all look cancer lool
gray lodge
Extreme measures and middle management are the go too. Just stuff you have to adjust to anyway, and they're pretty easy.
gray lodge
Ideally with your first 8 runs on each weapon you'll be buying a diamond or titan blood, but getting convenience fee out of the way for the prophecy not a bad idea
fallow niche
haelian just late summoned skelly in a miniboss fight and then attacked him
tame urchin
you guys save it for diamon and titan blood i see
olive sand
Hello. Do the keys have another function beyond unlocking mirror upgrades and new weapons? I'm considering to trade them.
turbid needle
I think they are used for Treasure Troves, but those may have been changed.
tame urchin
ye pretty much i think mirror and wep
olive sand
Treasure Troves?
gray lodge
I wish we could reroll treasure troved
gray lodge
Nothing worse than paying for a trove and getting hp one when you are full hp
olive sand
Yeah, I think I would have never used a key for that before having unlocked everything. XD
rose geode
@full flame thanks for the advice! Didnt know about the dashing technique!
mighty ermine
and troves purchased from the well not scaling to renovation trove upgrades 😔
gray lodge
Give nectar to chaos if you want keys
olive sand
Okay, I'm gonna exchange them so. It will help me. I did more than 40 runs I think, and I won only once. XD
gray lodge
Once it makes sense itll make sense. Took me 33 runs I think? And then went on a 27 win streak
brave cobalt
heheee, boooy, I completed the game! Thank Athena for invulnerability~ 🌚
I spent literally three rebirths on the last boss and passed on low HP. It was a 13 attempt.
olive sand
Wow. I'm taking too much damage after the Hydras. Too much things to deal with.
mighty ermine
congrats!
brave cobalt
Thx!
tame urchin
when you see hammer as soon as u leave paps house
full flame
the worst
tame urchin
really?
olive sand
Is upgrading the weapon a weak upgrade?
tame urchin
i thought its good
full flame
absolutely
tame urchin
rapid fire on bow is not bad
full flame
hammers are guaranteed, you'll get it eventually, and i've never felt them to be absolutely pivotal in general
i much prefer knowing what kind of god boon i'm starting with
tame urchin
oh if its guarenteed i get ur point i guess
serene nexus
Getting a hammer at the start means you can’t save scum the first boon you get
full flame
makes it easier to decide if i want to start that run with a god keepsake or not
full flame
yeah, but you won't know what kind of god boons are offered til you finally find artemis
or what god might have shown up if you didn't take the artemis keepsake
tame urchin
so your saying
its better not put it from starting point
which is the best to start with
full flame
yeah i'm just saying i highly prefer to be able to make that kind of decision before committing to a full run
like if the first god is something i want anyways, i might go with a Hermes keepsake run
tame urchin
gotchaa
barren nimbus
whats the deal with the healing on guan spin? sometimes it starts healing for 2 or 3 for no good reason as far as i can tell
snow tangle
Does the pierced butterfly stack multiplicatively or additively?
Like if my attack does 100 damage and I have a boon for +50% damage, I would do 150. If I add a butterfly with +10% on top of it, is it going to do 160 or 165?
turbid needle
limber imp
is guan yu heal percentage based?
turbid needle
It's additive, but universal, which applies to a bunch of stuff that's normally hard to boost.
proud storm
it's dependant on your attack damage bonuses
lusty gust
Rail nuke is actually proccing chill effect with the highlight area before the dmg
This is so broken
proud storm
if you manage to reach 100% bonus damage on your attack your spin starts stealing 2 hp per hit
and so on
turbid needle
...Seriously?
snow tangle
Oh I thought the +2 was just for fully charging your spin lol
lusty gust
No, normally even if you fully charge you get +1
But if you get the upgrade that speeds up the spin attack then it's basically healing you for a ton
limber pumice
How many boons does one get per run?
manic dune
So basically it's percentage based?
manic dune
do crits count
proud storm
not anymore i think
manic dune
i haven't really paid much attention since it usually heals a lot regardless
i'm not sure if massive spin even increases the damage
lament coral
of what?
manic dune
but i haven't checked if the actual damage numbers increase
lament coral
they do
lament coral
I know because after I pick big spin enemies start dying faster
manic dune
like if you have +50% +50% you end up with 200%
lament coral
yeah, it's additive
manic dune
and not 225%
lament coral
yep
azure wraith
what affects the guan yu healing scaling
is it a % of your life, ♥️ + boons?
oh i see discussion further up
lament coral
it's a bug with rarity boosters
azure wraith
oh woah
lament coral
if the rarity of your attack is increased by Eurydice or Demeter, your healing goes up, too
replacing the attack with a higher rarity one doesn't change the value
lament coral
looks like you've been drinking a lot
snow tangle
bottoms up
azure wraith
did you get 9 poms?
lament coral
unsurprising, you're in Poseidon's company
snow tangle
no lol
azure wraith
oh he doubles it up
snow tangle
I got a couple of nectars from troves, one from dio's boon, and the others from rooms/mixed rewards
also that was the only upgradeable boon i had until styx lol
lament coral
all of em landed on the special?
snow tangle
I literally had nothing else that was available for poms/nectars
livid oak
Anyone know what is the next weapon?
snow tangle
The most popular theories I've heard so far are knuckles + feet weapon or a whip
lament coral
a ranged one, cause it's on the side with the 2 other ranged weapons
the melee side is full
sinful parcel
can someone explain what exactly are barriers?
hang on, taking a print of the ability
Or maybe I can't upload images, but the ability is from Poseidon and it says "Slamming foes into barriers creates a watery blast in the area"
marble ridge
One Splash Zag
dusk plume
Thats what Meg said
river matrix
Trying to get 1 heat run with bow and spear for the quest. With bow: trying Chiron and trying to get Dionysus special for the fat poison stacks, but getting it started is really inconsistent. With spear: no idea. What other builds are good for pushing those low-heat runs through?
lament coral
do you have Privileged Status unlocked?
proud storm
Eh at this point you have many options
faint sonnet
I think there is actually
I think its fan art they put in the game
which is awesome
lament coral
really?
lament coral
a very STS approach
river matrix
I've got all of the darkness upgrades unlocked except for the last ones.
faint sonnet
This should work
There we go
That's what I think it is in the west hall, just flipped
It seems very close
slender mantle
Im assuming this issue has already been discussed/asked, but Dusa's favor wont complete even though I did all the upgrades for the lounge. including the secret entrance
faint sonnet
It would be really cool if we could get a way to have high-res versions of them in-game though
mighty ermine
yeah, jen zee is one of the main artists
faint sonnet
Still really nice
Would be great to have a way to view it high res ingame
unless that isn't possible due to technical thingies or whatever
lament coral
like the "admire" option with statues
except instead of commenting, it's just a bigger version appearing on the screen
faint sonnet
yea
Also do you think Zagreus actively shakes whichever object in his room he interacts with, in aggravation that he can't use it?
@river matrix
Btw, when using the Spear,
I find alot of success with the Artemis Special and,
if you get it, Daedalus' upgrade that makes the Special (Spear throw) explode for base 60 damage.
Later in the game it crits for like 1100 per throw
grizzled talon
Can the final boss be hit by their own pot traps?
native ether
nope
grizzled talon
Makes sense, they did make the pots so it'd be dumb if it could harm them
native ether
I feel like, lategame, the only Olympian keepsake that still scales well is Hermes'. Getting just the one guaranteed boon is a little lackluster, and by the point you have your mirror upgraded lategame you'll probably be getting high rarity boons a lot anyway. Maybe their keepsakes' rarity upgrade should allow a small chance for Heroic, or give you a guaranteed boon of theirs per biome?
God Keepsakes are very valuable in early biomes because they can help you setup for early Duo or Legendary boons in later biomes.
My runs always consist of taking a god keepsake in Tartarus, and then based on the state of my run, I take a second one in Asphodel that lines up with a Duo I'm chasing.
This combined with using rerolls on miniboss chambers to ensure I get the boons I want usually means I always have the setup I want about halfway through Elysium, which is where it matters the most, cause that starts to be the make or break portion of a run where you're in trouble if you don't have enough damage. (or if you're forced to sacrifice getting more health to get the boons you need, that's not good either)
the scaling is a little meh, but they're valuable even at low ranks just for the guaranteed boon. They help shape the potential boon pool of a run when used early to give you a better chance of success.
violet stirrup
@woven island Hi, could you tell me why you dont like my feedback?
well, ideas
I saw that you're downvoting most of them so im curious as to why you dont like them
snow tangle
God keepsakes are also good to get those goddamn boon achievements done 
woven island
Damn XD
The upvote one seems like a wast of time cause none really get that high up
Decent idea but 30-40 seems too high
faint sonnet
I think that was just a toss-it-out-there sample amount
doesn't have to be 30-40 hence the -
could be lower than that even
woven island
Also the hammer upgrades available in the courtyard seems a bit too strong as many of the buffs u get can increase the damage massively
I do like the idea for the keepsake though
faint sonnet
They did say it wouldn't transfer into the subsequent run
faint sonnet
^
violet stirrup
ill edit it to add clarifcation
native ether
I know I just downvote ones I just don't agree with. Nothing ever personal. I know for a fact the devs are already super good at tracking the feedback board (more than basically anyone could imagine), so I think both of those are just unnecessary. Plus since the channel is for feedback on the game, I just downvote more "meta" suggestions because they're not really relevant to getting feedback on the game as a whole.