hades’s dmg get buff this update right? his fight feel pretty much more tense and dangerous now
#h1-builds-and-combat
shell belfry
steep sentinel
did it? I don't remember seeing it in the notes
turbid needle
Me neither, in fact, the most recent mention of the final boss even mentions toning down of a particular move
steep sentinel
It's hard to get that last thrust in with hades because by the time you're going to the kidney shot he's turned around and is pummeling you
fierce iron
I always get tagged with those immediate strikes of his
shell belfry
maybe i was playong reckless recently, hades’s swing hit me so hard a lot yesterday 
steep sentinel
I think I was seeing the same numbers as usual
turbid needle
I believe in his second form, he has a two combo wind-up into the big swing
sinful arrow
According to the patch notes, they changed up his combos
turbid needle
Can easily dink your entire health bar
sinful arrow
Damage is still the same from what I've seen
steep sentinel
Failing to judge where the lasers got LOSed yet again was my final fatal error
turbid needle
It's no fault of the game, but I find most hitboxes in this game is aligned at the feet
so line up your feet to the bottom of the pillar haha
steep sentinel
It was almost vertical this time so that wouldn't have helped
turbid needle
ooof
steep sentinel
I was technically behind debris and I guess it was collapsed so the laser went through
turbid needle
When I first unlocked the spear, I was trying to hit the skulls of the Hydra, to immense failure
sinful arrow
Yeah his lasers can be tough. I always try to stay on the left side wall that blocks his lasers 2nd phase
steep sentinel
And this time I decided to take damage increase heat while trying guan yu for the first time so I'm making a lot of smart choices tonight
Suddenly the lava is dangerous lol
shell belfry
trap damage heat make those guillotine hit like a real boss 
fierce iron
Yeah tell me about it
I was doing a Guan Yu run earlier with that active, took 150 damage on the spot
lost a death defiance
steep sentinel
This game is telling me hard truths about my situational awareness
sinful arrow
Is it just me or they did something with boon choices in Styx? Before the patch, the boons that would show up were gods I've picked through my run. Now they're random ones I haven't touched at all
Kinda makes it tougher going for duos in the last stage
steep sentinel
It happened my last run but that's just one instance
sinful arrow
Yeah, not sure if it's been like that before and I just got lucky with random chance but I've been noticing it more and more when I try to build a certain way
Specially sucks when the other gods don't synergize with what you've got going lol
green sable
my game atm i finally over over 1K in coins for the first time evar lol
green sable
with 1500 you can get one
steep sentinel
I might actually die in the temple for the first time 😮
unkempt ridge
alright so, obvious in hindsight, but the guan yu spear does NOT work well with poseidon attack boon
steep sentinel
haha
yeah I can see that being suboptimal
I did a lot better vs hades with it than I thought but getting caught in like one big spin is game over
green sable
oopsie\
unkempt ridge
in terms of damage, it's actually pretty good, cause if you get an enemy stuck against a wall it just slams them into it repeatedly
but for healing purposes, it's really bad
steep sentinel
Yeah it feels like a soft hard mode with how careful you have to be with it, but I kind of like the gameplay anyway
unkempt ridge
it's actually my favorite spear aspect, in terms of gameplay
steep sentinel
Yeah, I like Hades aspect a lot but feel more caught out with it
Spears are always my favorite weapons so I try to make them work every time
unkempt ridge
the reworked zag aspect is pretty fun as well
steep sentinel
Haven't tried it yet
unkempt ridge
worth a shot if you enjoy the idea of a long range throw spam build
steep sentinel
Might do it this run. Final boss has wrecked me multiple times in a row now so time to go 0 heat and farm my ego back up
unkempt ridge
yeah those new patterns are much faster than before
might want to spoiler out your post tho, IIRC final boss is still considered spoilers
green sable
oh
steep sentinel
ah sorry I forgot what channel this was
unkempt ridge
oh god the poseidon spin throws are throwing the suicide carts into me instead of away lol
this is terible
steep sentinel
XD
Are the other bosses spoilers cause it seems the devs took complaints about slow bosses very seriously this update
steep sentinel
kk
unkempt ridge
got the hammer upgrades for faster spin charge and more damaging spin
I shouldnt be able to lose this run
broken cipher
Don't jinx it. Never jinx it. The Fates are always watching.
unkempt ridge
so did they change how casts interact with shields? my casts are still absorbing into enemies when they get blocked
before they'd drop to the ground
livid comet
well
I got to hades phase two second time running guan yu
what the hell
this is apparently a good weapon
pretty fun too
unkempt ridge
following the changes they made to it it's pretty good IMO
before it just removed too much hp, now it's managabke
steep sentinel
Mine are hitting the ground
though it does feel like sometimes they go through. It's has always felt a little arbitrary
unkempt ridge
I have athena casts, and they were sticking to the shield enemies they hit instead of dropping to the ground
both theseus and regular shield enemies
steep sentinel
It may depend on the cast, athena definitely connects more than the others
artemis almost always is reflected
livid comet
more evidence that athena is best grill
unkempt ridge
okay so this poseidon attack boon is actually doing serious work in styx
like I spin attack once and everything just dies
rancid shore
artemis' cast isn't blocked by shields though?
steep sentinel
really? I thought it bounces off
unkempt ridge
arti and ares are the only casts that can't be blocked IIRC
rancid shore
Definitely not; when I have it I faceroll Theseus
unkempt ridge
or ares cast is dependent on the location of the center, one of the two
either way, arti goes through shields no matter what
finite grail
Ares is for sure
finite grail
I mean you get half damage because it can’t hit the front
unkempt ridge
just beat the final boss without using a DD
admittedly, only heat 8
still, easier run for me with the spear than I usually have, the spears my worst weapon by far
looks like I'll be maxing out the guan yu aspect
steep sentinel
Grats!
dense star
Yeah I need to figure out spear
I'm so mediocre with it
Occasionally I highroll Artemis explosive special and it's good but otherwise I feel like the damage is usually sad
livid comet
guys what should I choose
unkempt ridge
that really depends on your other boons 😛
dense star
What's your deflect? What weapon?
unkempt ridge
whats your attack and special
livid comet
I've got athena dash, chaos shield, deflect special, doom attack
unkempt ridge
take the merciful end
unkempt ridge
merciful end will get you the most value for your setup
dense star
Yeah merciful end's what I'm thinking
dense star
Maybe even later in the run 
livid comet
waaaow
I cleaned house
if not charon's shop
and I'm on full hp, two defiances
if I lose to last boss now I'd be an idiot
lament coral
unkempt ridge
aaaaaand the answer is?
radiant basin
Can you still get eris buff with rocket?
livid comet
aaaand done
I won
but man I burned through both of my defiances lol
I managed to buy the hermes boon and secure myself another epic dash
so 5 athena dashes
fierce iron
@radiant basin Yes you can
radiant basin
Do you just stand in the explosion?
fierce iron
Yep, still works
radiant basin
ic ic
unkempt ridge
"Have you tried not standing in the explosion?" - Hypnos, 2020
I still feel like demeters cast needs a buff
like, just another 2 damage base or something
it just feels useless compared to other casts
full flame
yeah i just posted another feedback about her cast
it upsets me that i never want to use them
unkempt ridge
I just had her cast, level 4 with the arti duo, along with the arti boon for double cast at 45% damage, and it just feels... lackluster
obtuse tapir
is tight deadline not supposed to drain my health after some point?
unkempt ridge
tight deadline drains your health if the timer runs out
unkempt ridge
the timer pauses in NPC rooms
obtuse tapir
and even after leaving the room it doesn't drain my health anymore
unkempt ridge
oh, wonder if thats a bug
full flame
you're still in elysium?
full flame
ah yeah, that's gotta be a bug
obtuse tapir
btw how do you have a seven minute run in elysium
full flame
when they added the timer stoppage in those rooms
obtuse tapir
This is my 1st time doing this
full flame
gotta have a good build with enough damage
unkempt ridge
you need a lot of damage
unkempt ridge
and some rooms are really unlucky for speed runs, like the ones with 50k tiny chariots
full flame
yeah the progression of difficulty has a big jump there
obtuse tapir
Asphodel I had 2 minutes remaining
full flame
due to having to kill things twice basically
obtuse tapir
but These elysium guys are like super tanky with their resurruction skills
full flame
with the souls
obtuse tapir
I'm going on with the most glass cannon mindset I can ever imagine
and I ran out of time with at least 3 chambers (including the boss fight) remaining
oh wait it started working again
k guess I'm dying here
full flame
rip
livid comet
anyone know which renovations are needed to progress dusa's social link?
full flame
that would be spoilers
livid comet
aight
dense locust
Can anyone explain how doom works? My confusion surrounds hitting someone with an attack that gives doom, and then with a special that gives doom, and how impending doom works
I know there is a boon that stacks doom effects but not sure if that's from one type of attack
livid comet
doom is a status effect.
full flame
After applying it from any source, there's a delay and then a burst of damage removing the debuff
gusty vector
If I'm not mistaken Doom can only be applied once
livid comet
it procs after a certain amount.ot time and applies the damage stated
full flame
impending doom makes that delay take longer, for an increase in the amount of damage
livid comet
unless you get a boon that lets you stack it for extra damage
fierce iron
There's a boon called Dire Misfortune that adds small amounts of additional damage to the doom effect if you keep stacking it
livid comet
yup
dense locust
That boon always seemed lackluster
livid comet
And then there's merciful something which procs the doom as soon as you deal deflect damage to a target afflicted with it
which is noice
full flame
i believe that if you have two sources of doom and apply both during the delay, you'll get the damage for whatever one was applied first, but i'm not entirely sure on that
dense locust
lik, wouldn't waiting for the doom to happen and reapplying be better
livid comet
Isn't it just flat damage tho jager?
fierce iron
Dire Misfortune would probably be alright if you also have Impending Doom since that drags out the doom effect a bit longer
otherwise you have to rely on something that hits repeatedly fast
livid comet
Yeah it makes better use of privileged status @dense locust
full flame
Attack and Special have different damage stats
dense locust
Ahh so you can keep a status effect on a target longer
So I have a doom effect on my attack for 75, and now I could get one on my special for 80
livid comet
yeah and get that big fat +50% damage boost
dense locust
I was curious how attacking with special doom before the attack doom has resolved works
full flame
having both doesn't really get you anything of value
livid comet
yeah, you want one doom effect and then the duo with athena
full flame
unless you get the stacking doom boon, and then you can add some extra damage easier
dense locust
But it's good to know what impending doom is for, seems strong considering its a 70% increase
Wjat
full flame
but that boon really only gains in value when you can apply a lot of stacks fast
dense locust
What's the duo with athena
livid comet
it procs doom as soon as you deflect
dense locust
Yeah I'm thinking one boon effect with impending doom is the combo for me
livid comet
so Athena dash
unkempt ridge
as soon as you hit an enemy with an attack that can deflect
livid comet
that^
full flame
it also increases the damage by 50 points
dense locust
Could be good, but deflecting attacks might be too specific this run
dense locust
I mean if i find it im getting it
livid comet
with doom at least
dense locust
I just dont have deflect yet
livid comet
hm. Athena keepsake
dense locust
But a doom effect with impending doom extends doom status and increases the damage. but takes longer to resolve
livid comet
yup
dense locust
And doom from different sources doesn't stack; the first one applied takes precedence
livid comet
but you can combine it with another status effect to abuse privileged status
unkempt ridge
doom can be really powerful in the right builds
dense locust
Exactly
hardy crow
I'll use it sometimes it just doesn't feel the greatest imo
full flame
that needs to be tested @dense locust i'm not positive on that
dense locust
Okay perfect thanks yall
hardy crow
I recognize that it's good on certain attacks or specials, I'm just not the biggest fan
unkempt ridge
chiron bow with doom special + extra doom damage per hit, + impending doom = 1k+ doom procs
livid comet
my last three successful runs have been this doom build lol, I'm a big fan
dense locust
The initial doom effect taking priority makes more sense than the second overriding the first
full flame
the best use of doom is if you can spread it around on large crowds easily, it's a ton of damage
dense locust
And if they stacked that'd be op
livid comet
GG
hardy crow
I mean chiron bow spec with that requires at least 2 booms to do anything well and 3 to actually hurt that bad
dense locust
I wish i had chaos shield now
hardy crow
I feel it's more for large aoe specs with low fire/use rate
dense locust
All good, thanks yall
full flame
well, it's been stated that with different Dionysus hangover effects, the strongest one will take precedence, but haven't heard anything specific about doom
i thought i tested it myself, but i honestly don't remember
hardy crow
For Chiron Bow I'd rather just run hangover
unkempt ridge
eh, you don't need the other 2 doom effects, chiron bow does just fine with only the doom special. you can spread it to multiple enemies, or focus down a single enemy depending on your need. the other 2 doom effects are just icing on the cake
hardy crow
And tbh on non Chiron bow I very rarely spec anyways
livid comet
chiron bow with doom is not optimal
hardy crow
It feels more like a utility projectile clear than a real good source of damage
livid comet
source: I tried it, was a slow hades fight
full flame
the thing with doom is that it's very strong early on its own, but falls off later unless you go full into upgrading doom
livid comet
you need to put a lot of poms into it
dense locust
With bow I nearly always just go for huge crit attacks with cast and special as utility
full flame
i love chiron bow with doom
livid comet
I'm really liking the posiedon cast for that ngl
hardy crow
Special is basically utility on non Chiron yeah
full flame
was an incredibly fast hades fight
hardy crow
Cast, it just depends on what I find
dense locust
Getting a hangover on special with the bow along with additional stacks is pretty good as a secondary attack
full flame
especially with the right build, getting 800-1000 dooms, that can also crit
hardy crow
And on Hera bow I hard hunt for artemis or aphro cast
I mean sure but you could just got for dash attacks that do 800 and can also crit
fierce iron
Yeah sometimes the game wants me to suffer with bad hammer choices for bow, so I just get piercing special and slap hangover on it
hardy crow
And get boons that do more but themselves
dense locust
Exactly, sometimes you gotta roll with the punches
hardy crow
Piercing special is one of the few arguments for doom spec on bow imo
dense locust
Is there a level where pom kinda falls off compared to most other choices
hardy crow
It's the numbskull clear button
full flame
oh yeah, granted with a doom build like that, it's very binary, you're either damaging with doom, or you're doing nothing at all
dense locust
because the first few are amazing, but then adding 6% damage at like level 5-6 feels like a waste
unkempt ridge
except that the doom special on bow at epic teir is 120 damage base, which means it does more damage than most other special boons on Chiron
livid comet
uhh yeah, around level 4
hardy crow
I feel like any build that requires 2+ specific boons to work is too unreliable
dense locust
i gotcha
livid comet
it's not really too bad, plus you can sorta game it to your needs with keepsakes
hardy crow
But you could just run a build with similar dps and higher reliability
dense locust
I could see doom stacking on bow special could get crazy considering the number of hits
unkempt ridge
chiron with demeter = 23ish damage per shot, 7 shots, total 160ish damage. Chiron bow with doom, 70 damage from the special + 120 from doom, 190 damage total. Doom will win out in single target damage with chiron
livid comet
I didn't get any doom effects until after hydra on my most recent run with chaos shield
but I was building towards it the whole time
yeah but you gotta survive the encounters to get to the boss rooms
hardy crow
In a single press of the button but you also have to consider that A) demeter shot also has some utility and B) you can use more than one barrage in the duration of doom
dense star
Yeah I've had a good run with doom special on bow and got lucky in finding the doom scaling boons & merciful end
Basicaly got up close, hit special, deflect dash through, enemy explodes
livid comet
merciful end will let you shred everything
unkempt ridge
not true, the base duration of doom will cause it to proc in the middle of your second volley hitting, which means it'll get applied the instant it expires.
livid comet
esp if doom is on your bow special
full flame
that's the important factor, more than one barrage in a single doom
which is why stacking doom boon is essential with chiron build
dense star
Yep
unkempt ridge
I mean, getting the boon that gives more damage for each hit during the doom application helps a ton, but you dont need it
full flame
the benefit early with doom on special though is your ability to spread fire in crowds, which will be 100% better than any other boon on special used in that way early
unkempt ridge
also true
dense star
There's a boon that gives bonus damage per additional doom hit on a doomed enemy
livid comet
yup
fleet vigil
How do you report a bug that you don't know how to reproduce?
livid comet
rip?
fleet vigil
I'm not sure I have enough info but I've seen the same thing happen 5 times this run so definitely not intended.
dense star
Yeah, doom special can just do a fair bit of easy damage early with bow, which is nice
hardy crow
Tbh I never find crowds to be the issue with bow
livid comet
but it alone isn't enough to give you the edge for zone 3 onwards
hardy crow
More the single target dps early on
fleet vigil
The hammer upgrade for railgun special turns invisible so you can't see the hitbox or the projectile coming down.
livid comet
:0
hardy crow
When you're just kiting with dash attacks 24/7 the enemies usually line up nice for your shots tbh
fleet vigil
Probably has something to do with hitting Q more than once as you dash and maybe get hit..iunno.
unkempt ridge
never had an issue with theseus and the bow
wait for him to throw a spear, shoot him, rinse repeat
full flame
spear is one of the best and easiest weapons against Theseus
hardy crow
I'm usually set up by act 3 so he's not an issue
fierce iron
Or just have an upgrade that pierces
unkempt ridge
and the chariots even easier
hardy crow
Ngl
full flame
bc the recall of spear special hits him while he's blocking
hardy crow
My favorite thing is when the minotaur charges
You chuck the raging rush spear at him
Dash through him
Dash back
Raging rush throw
Dash through him, repeat
It's so funny
dense star
Honestly after getting rekt in the T&A fight so many times early I've learned their attack patterns and don't find 'em too bad
Just a lot of circling after he spear throws to get hits in
full flame
extreme measures on that fight is still just awful with non-cast sword build though
dense locust
Does bull rush use your attack damage as the base?
hardy crow
I just man up and play melee range bow against him to be honest
full flame
yes @dense locust
livid comet
oh man, my recent run I pounded theseus into the ground with doom and 5 athena dashes
dense locust
thank you
livid comet
it was sooo satisfying
fleet vigil
How does fated authority work? I can spend 3 diamonds but not sure what it would actually do? I don't think randomly changing rewards is a positive thing..
livid comet
it lets you reroll boons iirc?
dense locust
And it adds attack damage modifiers? @full flame
dense locust
@full flame percent damage i mean
hardy crow
And it changes it to a room of the same type
full flame
yes, any +attack damage modifiers affect bull rush damage
hardy crow
So if you find a boon, you can reroll it to another god, for example
fleet vigil
So its at will then?
dense locust
You're the best
hardy crow
Yes
livid comet
ooo
fleet vigil
Okay that makes more sense.
hardy crow
Each time you collect keys, you'll get a Fated Authority
And you can use it once to reroll a reward
dense star
Think there's a pinned graphic about 'em
hardy crow
It really helps getting that specific god you want
dense star
In this channel
livid comet
wait you can grab that for much cheaper with the renovation compared to the mirror!!!!
fierce iron
Yeah there is
fleet vigil
I think the wording should be a bit better for that then.
To me it seems like the "fleeting chance to reroll" implies there's a small chance it'll change.
full flame
yeah, fated authority is one of the best possible things to buy from contractor
fierce iron
Fleeting chance that'll reroll to something you want maybe, lol
but sometimes it works out
dense star
Nectar upgrade is also sweet
full flame
fated authority from mirror lets you start with rerolls
fleet vigil
Gotta choose between nectar, gem, or darkness atm. Only 4 dia
dense locust
I would love it so much if they made other characters playable like Meg and Thanatos
hardy crow
To be honest if you're not confident in your build calls, I'd say go for the nectar upgrade first
hardy crow
They should make Dusa playable
dense locust
Getting the boon that gives hp with nectar is awesome
hardy crow
Except she actually can't break urns
full flame
ugh
dense locust
But thanatos and meg seem viable right now
full flame
i'm not trying to clean up the underworld, i'm trying to smash my way out
hardy crow
Dusa is precious, she is best girl
fleet vigil
If its only a character model maybe
hardy crow
Anyone that says Artemis is best girl is a filthy liar
fleet vigil
But a whole new character and weapons system would be a biiiiig update
livid comet
athena best grill!
dense locust
Oh my god, imagine the dusa mode being a cleaning sim after Zag smashes the pklace
livid comet
WAIT
full flame
Tisiphone is best girl, y'all crazy
dense locust
Order her an uber
livid comet
or does she need something stronger now
dense locust
You can look at the codex and if it's a clock, you're done for now
unkempt ridge
going into styx with 145 hp, I feel squish
dense locust
Finishing like the 6 room, 185 hp...
180*
sorry, 210 after whooping thanatos
and getting my sweet useless darkness
dense locust
Yeah i'd love for them to expand on Nyx as a character considering on important she is to Z
dense locust
how important*
fleet vigil
Is it intended that the artifacts don't affect the initial drop as you leave the palace?
dense locust
Did you get a daedalus hammer?
fleet vigil
Like if you choose X gods artifact, you can still get another gods boon outside the door.
unkempt ridge
the artifacts do affect the initial drop, if it's a boon
if it's a hammer, it'll affect the first boon to come up in a room
fleet vigil
Hmm i'll try and see if I can get it to happen again and take a screenshot.
dense locust
The hammer can replace the initial boon, otherwise its a bug. I'm pretty sure I had the same thing happen to me though a week ago
fleet vigil
I took dionysus and poseidon was outside the door.
dense locust
Bug
livid comet
why are you in bug land
dense locust
Yeah I think i had a similar thing happen to me
full flame
are you a new player? have you ever taken Poseidon before?
livid comet
also I think I managed to choose keepsakes before drinking from the fountain in one of the interzone areas
fleet vigil
At that time I hadn't.
fleet vigil
Does the initial intro override other stuff ?
full flame
there is some forcing of gods on you when you haven't taken them yet
early on
i didn't even use god keepsakes until i had encountered every god
fleet vigil
Well at that time I only had a single keepsake
full flame
yes, early in the game the rng gets "fixed" where it'll keep offering a first god that you haven't found yet
gusty vector
It would explain why you get Demeter first when you download the latest patch :P
full flame
yep
it makes it so you don't play an extended period of time early on and never see a particular god
fleet vigil
Ah I thought demeter triggered from ending the game
fleet vigil
How does dash attack work with the bow again?
Is it just charging quickly after you've dashed?
livid comet
bow has a dash attack?
full flame
yes, it charges much more quickly
livid comet
:0
dense locust
regardless of any of that, the keepsake certainly implies the next boon you could possibly find will be of the chosen god
full flame
but it might have a lower cap on the damage? i dunno, i don't use it a lot
yeah that's true @dense locust which is why i'm not sure it's intended to override the keepsake
fleet vigil
Another mechanic question, applying doom resets dooms timer right?
So chiron bow special means only the last hit will begin the doom countdown?
full flame
might be something they overlooked because vast majority of new players wouldn't even be using or even getting the god keepsakes before meeting all the gods
dense locust
The more the devs can make things transparent, the better the game gets imo
True, might be a rare and specific bug
full flame
no, once doom applies, the timer is fixed, further applications do not change it
gusty vector
There's no way to undo Titan Blood uses right?
fleet vigil
For sure? It seems like if you doom, then doom again it should have already proc'd byy then
full flame
although, if you literally just used them and didn't leave courtyard, you can quit bc your game isn't saved yet
gusty vector
Thanks. Also damn.
full flame
you can get a second chiron bow special off before the first doom triggers at base speed
back to titan blood, that's one way to test out aspects, you can spend blood, test on skelly and if you don't like it just quit out to reset
fleet vigil
But once a target has doom it can't be doomed right? So you're losing dps maybe?
full flame
correct, compared to a pure +attack%, you can potentially lose out on some single target dps
until you get the stacking doom boon, which can add something like 10 damage for each additional application
fleet vigil
Who has that o.o
fleet vigil
Hm. Never seen it but now i'm into it. Feel strong to have doom chiron
full flame
yeah i always enjoyed Chiron bow with all the doom upgrades
dense locust
Haha i thought I was having de ja vu for a sec
livid comet
welcome
there is no escape
in other news, poseidon special on GY is bonkers good
really great poke slash get away from me
unkempt ridge
its level 1
livid comet
right but it also doesn't slam people away
unkempt ridge
yeah, but everythings just dead >.>
livid comet
hm.
dense locust
Anyone have an opinion on ravenous will (when you have no cast, take less damage, deal more damage). I've tried once but found myself trying to avoid my loose casts
Feels too unreliable
full flame
poseidon special on GY sounds awful, you want things to stay in the spin
fierce iron
I'd say Ravenous Will is about good any time really, probably even better if you've got stuff like Lightning Rod that makes them harder to pick up
unkempt ridge
I dont avoid the casts, I just make sure I send them out again as soon as I pick them up
dense locust
Yeah good point, im choosing between that and mistral dash though
unkempt ridge
ravenous will is a really good boon IMO, 30% damage boost to everything is strong
dense locust
and I really like being able to chill with dash
unkempt ridge
unless you need the dash to get the 50% damage bonus for 2 debuffs, I'd go ravenous
dense locust
It's rare so its 10% damage red, 20% inc
oops
i didn't realize its 10% increase and decrease, along with the 20% inc
unkempt ridge
😛
dense locust
god thats a good boon, especially if cast is nearlly irrelevant
just throw the casts in the corner
fierce iron
Or just leave them embedded in foes as much as possible
unkempt ridge
^
ruby current
Anyone know the title of the song oprheus first sings ?
I like it and i’m wondering if its in the list.
dense locust
true, the 50 damage is so irrelevant that I'd rather not even worry about them
although 50 damage is 50 damage
fierce iron
Plus you get Boiling Blood bonus if you have it on the mirror
ruby current
it's also dependent on what cast you have right now
unkempt ridge
its 50% damage, which is a big deal
ruby current
yeah it helps a lot especially with dots
unkempt ridge
or large hits... like, going from 300 to 450 damage is a lot
fierce iron
Also @ruby current song title is Lament of Orpheus
unkempt ridge
yes
fleet vigil
There's no white indicator for that one
unkempt ridge
its anywhere from normal damage to 300% damage depending on charge
it doesn't have a powershot
at full charge it's a total of 400% normal damage
normal damage + 300% more
ruby current
Oh okay thx. I’ll look on trying to unlock that too.
full flame
yeah i thought the first song he sings is the one you give him from Eurydice
livid comet
dio atk on gy is quite good too
full flame
i think my favorite on GY attack is either Demeter or Athena
unkempt ridge
lol I got zag stuck in the spinning spear animation, so he's just floating around the room holding the spear up
unkempt ridge
the god keepsakes work once per run for the forced boon if thats what you mean
full flame
if you mean god keepsakes, it's just once until you pick up a boon of theirs
fleet vigil
So you should always swap relics after the first floor
No chance of switch to god B then back to god A to reset it?
unkempt ridge
they do work on other floors too, if you switch boons
full flame
you do still benefit from the increased rarity though
unkempt ridge
you cant use the same boon twice, but you can choose a different god
full flame
correct, keepsakes cannot be used again in same run
fleet vigil
So many wasted runs so far then lol
full flame
it's all a learning experience 😄
radiant basin
https://puu.sh/F3S5s/c61d0d25ec.jpg I couldn't see what i was firing at and the thunder sound was so loud lol
full flame
nice, i've wanted to try that combo of hammers, haven't done it yet
radiant basin
it's very fun
I really like shotgun type builds, my favorite is demeter attack zag rail with arctic blast
full flame
yeah that's pretty good
fleet vigil
Hmm I kinda feel like explosive arrow should be an aoe
But it doesn't hit the spear boss, he still blocks it so my chiron took forever -.-
full flame
chiron is actually tricky against Theseus, because your window for hitting an attack first for target and then a special is very very small
special speed helps a ton, and also the hammer boon that allows you to flurry fire without charging a shot
unkempt ridge
dodge the spear throw, start charging, the instant he pulls the spear back, release the arrow, then spam 2 specials. rinse repeat
full flame
it's doubly annoying when needing to charge the first shot because of his god call
standing still sucks
you have to stand behind cover for a bit to arrange the timing of the god call hits to happen just before he throws spear
unkempt ridge
when he's doing the god call he cant block, so if you charge a shot while he's impervious, and time the release so it hits the instant he loses the impervious, you can dash and special spam 3 volleys into him while he's stuck in god call
full flame
i mean the random god call hits after his initial call
unkempt ridge
it's a good way to blow through that phase without needing to really fight him
fair enough
just finished another successful guan yu run
full flame
yeah, having like Athena call fully charged, or even some other god calls, the best strategy is often to burn him down during that initial call
unkempt ridge
definitely my favorite aspect now
yeah if you can get a full artemis call right after he does his initial god call you can just skip the phase entirely
unkempt ridge
also true
full flame
which i think they will
unkempt ridge
they might lower the duration, but I don't think they'll change it that much
maybe drop it to 5 seconds instead of 10
full flame
no i mean that specific encounter, like not counting every single instance of his god call as one of his attacks
full flame
i think it's fine on the rats, just doesn't make sense to be so broken on a boss
fierce iron
Agreed
unkempt ridge
it does fairly hefty work to final boss as well
though lets be honest: zeus needed a buff
all his basic boons are terrible
full flame
zeus was all about going full into his boons
pretty sure his total possible max dps was always the highest
unkempt ridge
thats a terrible way to do it though
full flame
except for merciful end
unkempt ridge
cause you never see that many boons from a single gods
full flame
i did it very often before this update
unkempt ridge
I'm surprised, I can barely get 3 boons from a god, much less their legendary and the other 2-3 boons I need to make a build work
full flame
Chiron bow, with Poseidon special, Zeus duo/double strike/legendary was pretty baller damage
unkempt ridge
I usually see what the game hands me in floor 1, then use the keepsakes to force good duo boons
full flame
it's definitely a little bit harder to force deep builds now though
unkempt ridge
mmm. I'm hoping that demeter is the last god added
any more and the pools going to start feeling watered down
full flame
haha, doubt that's intended
unkempt ridge
probably works as expected though, all the non-piercing charge indicators stop on obstacles.
you just dont see it often, because the normal charged attacks (bow, shield) pierce enemies
fleet vigil
Any tips for someone who can't win without bow?
2nd victory and it was pretty face roll..but when I pick any other weapon I get stomped by final boss 😦
full flame
just have to adjust playstyle for the weapon
shifts priorities
like the sword, extra hermes dashes is one of the absolute top priorities
so you can get out of range of hades aoe
or in and out
just have to identify the strengths and weaknesses and cater to them
so it all depends on what weapon you want to try n ext
unkempt ridge
if you can get used to cast builds, all of the weapons have an aspect that supports casts
teal laurel
okay im getting bored of just playing shield runs
unkempt ridge
so you can use the same general build with all weapons
teal laurel
what to do or paly
lament coral
not all weapons have a cast aspect
north hedge
Doom 2016 is $10 on steam
lament coral
shield doesn't
fleet vigil
Play chiron its fun xD
unkempt ridge
the shield doesn't specifically buff cast builds, but you can just throw out 3 casts then turtle till they drop out
lament coral
I suppose Eris rail could be used with a cast
full flame
confirmed, 4th shield aspect for cast builds
unkempt ridge
seems likely actually
full flame
😄
unkempt ridge
anyways, point being if you can figure out how to properly use casts, you can run 80% of runs with casts only
so your reliance on the weapon itself is pretty minimal
hardy crow
Yeah, for cast builds either the shield or the actual dedicated-to-casts aspects work best
fleet vigil
Hm..do you get a completion screen every time you complete?
Its pretending I never cleared even though the end screen showed me with 2 clears.
lament coral
what's pretending?
novel python
Hi
fleet vigil
As in it gave me the developer mission about heat and such even though I just cleared it with heat.
Also do you need to clear heat 0 to unlock heat 2 with a weapon? Currently if I put it at heat 2 it gives me no rewards since I did heat 1 with the same weapon but haven't done heat 0
full flame
that doesn't sound right
fleet vigil
It says heat gauge exceeded when I put it to level 2?
full flame
that sounds correct
so if you don't clear at heat 0, clear at heat 1; you've earned the heat 0 rewards
fleet vigil
Ah..so you need to clear 0 AND 1 to get to 2?
full flame
if you set it to heat 1 again, you should earn rewards again, or if you go in at heat 2, you'd earn the heat 1 rewards
just because it says heat gauge exceeded, doesn't mean you can't go in to heat 2
it just means you're earning rewards for a lower heat
fleet vigil
Not correct. If I put it at heat 2 i'm still at heat 1 rewards since I didnt' get final boss kill.
fleet vigil
Shield
full flame
did you kill hades at all with shield?
full flame
okay, so even at heat 1 you should be exceeding the heat
bc you haven't earned the final boss bounty at zero heat
fleet vigil
Right so..the end result is you must full clear the lower before the upper correct.
full flame
correct
every full clear unlocks a new set of bounties for another full clear
requiring an increase in heat
ruby current
plume runs are fun
ocean mango
I would really like to be able to skip the Zag death animation. If I see it because I've won, then the unskippable parts of that are already a bit annoying after you've done ~10 successful runs. If I see the animation because I've died, then I'm probably a bit frustrated and really don't want to see a dragged out animation of me losing
novel python
95/175 hp, 1DD left, I guess the DDs from Patro are more important than the heal in this situation?
ruby current
depends on how many dd's you have unlocked
novel python
I have all lol
ruby current
but yeah i'd go for the defiance
full flame
i'd say so
ruby current
still working on lvling the fated authority one
novel python
Yeah same tbh, thats the only thing I'm missing
I'm at 4 rerolls
And I managed to get to patro with myrm bracer too
ruby current
it needs quite a lot of darkness
full flame
so you're basically comparing 52 health per room 5 times, up to full health, or 175 health (which costs 400 coins)
novel python
52 health per room when I was only missing around 80
How does myrm bracer scale when leveled?
novel python
Ah
It's rank 1 so only 20 atm
hope the +10% dmg from the back is static
now brb I gotta kick asterius' ass
ruby current
50% dmg reduction off the bat if you pair with a max zag shield
novel python
Aaand untouched
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670953027011739668/unknown.png I want them all pls halp :c
I already have exit wounds so I do have the prereqs for legendary
ruby current
i have a hard time on them personally but i play like my fingers are having seizures
novel python
But the dual shot sounds juicy
@ruby current Oh I was talking about the miniboss
Not t&m yet
ruby current
dual shot is nice if you going for a ares/demeter cast
full flame
probably dual shot, depends on how much you're using attack/special
novel python
Nah, going for Artemis lmao
I do quite a lot @full flame
5 dashes, I can just dash in, special, then just start chaining dash attacks
with casts inbetween
full flame
pressure points is essentially +15% damage across the board
full flame
dual shot is +45% of just your cast
but dual shot does play more into the long game, if you get the legendary
bc casts will be such a massive portion of your damage
novel python
I'll try to roll for artemis in styx though
And also get hermes and pray for flurry
full flame
oh yeah, i'm always so sad if i'm going cast build and not get flurry from hermes
fleet vigil
Wtf you can the mines in the air and they don't explode or drop on the ground.
full flame
the wind up to throw casts is so poo-poo
ruby current
i'd rather have the one that collects my casts for me
full flame
if you're using Hera bow that makes sense
but if it's something like poseidon sword, you're usually in range to pick up stones when you knock them out
ruby current
fair. I was using rail gun during that run.
full flame
ah yeah, sure you're staying far away with that too typically
ruby current
rail gun was nice once i got the infinite ammo upgrade from a hammer
fleet vigil
Hm, asphodel has an OOB for enemies...
novel python
ive already used a reroll, I'm at the doors before the boss in ely, 400 gold, should I take the free athena or the shop?
fleet vigil
Had knockback on shield and they flew wayyyyy into the corner with all lava off screen
full flame
i would take the free athena, hoping for the duo
novel python
wait which one
full flame
athena/artemis
full flame
oh i thought you had dash
ruby current
get that heaart
full flame
oh, yeah shop for sure
ruby current
is there a way to get 4 dd ?
novel python
THrough Chaos legendary
full flame
although, depending how many rerolls you have, could have tried to roll the athena into artemis, or even aphro
novel python
No heal but a centaur heart and an Ares
I have no ares
Why is he giving me ares
This is annoying
full flame
haha, that is annoying
ruby current
he wants you to go hunting blades
novel python
well 100 more darkness to get the 5th fated
and I had 2 more rolls @full flame
But I wanted to save them for styx
full flame
ah, yeah maybe better to use those in styx
full flame
i'd say save
full flame
buying it might even increase the chance of finding ares in styx, which you don't want
nice
novel python
ill just drop shady instantly on asterius just for the heals
full flame
how dare you! he was my friend!
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670957967251734558/unknown.png even dead he still trashtalks lmao
full flame
haha, yeah i've had that happen
novel python
There's a blessed arte boon from charon
I need that.
And no arte in tunnels
k
Now that I think about it I should've taken the Demeter door
In hopes that she gives me the dmg burst on cast
full flame
good luck rng
novel python
Hey it's my bday today, at least today rng be with me haha
fleet vigil
Man im a bug hunter extraordinaire.
Vortex and still hit and affect bosses who are impervious
As well as pull them in cutscenes lol
brittle vault
i can't play this game once i start stacking heat. i just can't understand what's going on visually. once all the different effects and new moves and everything combine, i just can't tell what's happening anymore.
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670961904721723402/unknown.png this was too close for comfort lol
fleet vigil
Ohhh think I found an exploit with it as well. If you vortex a boss as soon as it spawns you can interupt their animation and they stand there and do nothing until they're moved far enough
novel python
oh crap I'm missing 89 darkness for my next fated aaaaaaaa
full flame
should have used bouldy more 😄
novel python
Forgot to use him on hades 😦
And dusa is nowhere to be found
For Duo Boons, do I need to have one boon from EACH God or just one of them?
livid oak
What ia thanatos Quest?
fleet vigil
Nice got a win with shield. Thanatos is to beat him in the competition i think
full flame
duos require having one from each god first, with variety in requirements of which ones count @novel python
fleet vigil
Blade rift+tempest Q for zeus shield.
Also it gives the message on every completion. 3rd completion and its telling me about the pact again.
dense locust
Does dash attack on the rail attack for those initial faster shots after dashing
comprise those*
The first shot probably
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670973737801089052/unknown.png fkin finally
obtuse wind
Hera's bow + tipsy shot + fully loaded = easy run 😄
turbid needle
Hey, anyone know how unlock the last aspect of the spear and how unlock the golden treasure on the last line?
fleet vigil
That one is a random event after you spend a certain amount of blood
I got it just a bit ago after coming back from a run. Your bro will randomly tell you the secret and then you go say it and it unlocks the 4th
novel python
lament coral
just take levels
attack/special/cast and what looks to be Pressure Points will be leveled up
novel python
yep it's pp
fleet vigil
A-ha!
Found out the glitch and submitted a bug report finally.
If you have hazard bomb and stand next to geometry when using it the aoe turns invisible.
coral thicket
I usually take the rarity option
Incidentally, does the Affinity Gauge have ingame effects?
odd marten
When do I get to upgrade weapons with titan blood?
I beat Hades, but still can't upgrade weapons
lyric onyx
Go back to your weapons and press the weapon select button again after selecting that particular weapon
You’ll see it
odd marten
I just see grey weapons, can't interact
rancid shore
have you unlocked all of them
odd marten
Nope, just unlocked the gun and went on a run. Guess that was my problem
rancid shore
not sure if this is right but i think you only need to unlock them all, not even reach the final boss?
woeful stirrup
Poseidon aspect run, 5 Artemis boons, didn't get exit wounds offered
Still wrecked final boss though
analog sail
Did I find a viable speedrun setup?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550317561707888670/670993358952464444/Hades_00087.png
Each bomb hit for 200 damage, and at close range they could all hit the same target. And I'm not counting priviledged status.
pastel jolt
viable speedrun setup
23m clear
that's cute :3c
analog sail
mate I ain't that good at the game
rancid shore
it's way too reliant on multiple boons
is the speedrun meta still poseidon aspect + crit cast?
woeful stirrup
Good speedrun setup you should be able to get easily.
analog sail
I guess that double hammer synergy isn't really a good speedrun setup
woeful stirrup
Not sure, sendpenguins. Given that I didn't get offered the prerequisites for Exit wounds once in 5 boons, I wonder if they've been made harder to get.
novel python
Best choice I've ever made and RNG went in my favor. Even though I had low HP and no DDs I went to clear the other tunnels in styx
I've already found 2 DDs
rancid shore
Looks like the top runs are all shield
novel python
Well tbh this was my only chance to actually b e able to finish the run, I couldn't have fought Hades with 40 hp and no dds lmao
woeful stirrup
It's doable. Run before last I went with Guan Yu. Got unlucky on boons early on, and lost 2 DDs before Elysium. Saw Patroclus, restored them, then lost all 3 on Theseus. Didn't get lucky enough for new DDs in Styx, but got some better boons and managed to beat Hades with 50 HP out of 90 or something. Depends on your setup.
rancid shore
just dont get hit 
woeful stirrup
Exactly, thanks for the advice, Hypnos.
rancid shore
i now want a hypnos devious emote for when i give unhelpful advice
tawdry crescent
I think that it also helps you must be uhh... somewhat of a god?
Hahha, yes please
novel python
@woeful stirrup We're talking guan yu
And I've just played like a potato and lost
FML
pure junco
Were dashes nerfed?
fleet vigil
Damn I got lucky as hell.
3 victories tonight. Just gotta get one with spear and sword now
pure junco
I swear I can't dash through attacks anymore.
fleet vigil
Think its you, I def did last run
night pasture
I think I've hit my limit on heat, is the best way to grind titan jam that's not heat related saving up cash for the final shop and hoping it's there?
pure junco
I am loving Cursed Slash.
night pasture
I know you can trade up at the broker but that seems even less efficient
pure junco
Going into T&M fight with 83 max hp and a dream.
dreamy oxide
i believe in you.
pure junco
Imagine the most random boons, I got them offered to me.
Na
Just had a 10 second Tisiphone fight.
teal nebula
Hello, i manage 4th floor for second time pretty happy
Beat thesee with 4hp remaining
night pasture
I honestly think moose and squirrel are often a more difficult fight than the final boss
dense locust
Half the time my posiedons call uncontrollably sens Zad in whatever direction he was facing instead of being able to control where he moves...
zag
dense locust
It depends on how far you are in the game, it'll be useful for you to save up the ambrosia
but if you've already spent a lot of it, it's okay to trade it
Without spoiling what ambrosia is spent on
teal nebula
Ok i'll keep it
lament coral
save around 15 bottles of it
teal nebula
Well i have only beat twice Thésée 😂
reef galleon
How far should one be in the game for it to start being useful?
lusty gust
When you get someone's affection to 5 (I think)
reef galleon
thank you
lusty gust
np
pure junco
Demeter's Winter Harvest is super good against bosses. And normal enemies too.
teal laurel
charged skewer plus explosive skewer are good combo
lusty gust
Guan Yu aspect really needs a fat nerf
The charge attack shouldn't count as an attack
You can easily 0 to 100 any boss you want
And you can crit on top of that
lusty gust
50 minutes????
manic dune
it's hell mode with sword
lament coral
Aphro cast?
manic dune
no dio
i redid my mirror like you suggested
a lot better now after i reduced the revives to 2
pure junco
Time to rock father's world
lament coral
try dropping to 1 revive, no gold, and 20% in rare boons
or stick to what's working for you
manic dune
no gold D:
lament coral
it's not so bad, just skip mid run shops
money bag is your friend, until you get to higher heat and start using the increased prices modifier
manic dune
i'm still leveling up all the trinkets
lament coral
at that point, it's just god keepsakes and survivability
pure junco
Ez pz
lament coral
is your Guan Yu maxed out?
manic dune
yeah
pure junco
OMG, I keep forgetting to use my Skelly pet, I never really need it, and then I die.
manic dune
i figured it supercedes the other aspects so might as well
@pure junco I used to do that too, now with bouldy pet it's much simpler just use it to get 90 gold and some heals if in dire need
lament coral
consider maxing out Skelly
pure junco
I don't need to, I don't even remember to use him.
The new spear aspect seems fun, just got it.
lament coral
you can max Lasting Consequences with Guan Yu and heal off its spin
pure junco
O.o
lament coral
at that point, Shady's sandwiches heal 0, so Skelly is a better option
pure junco
What Daedalus do you get with it?
fleet vigil
Wtf are pets?!
pure junco
Companions
lament coral
with GY?
pure junco
Yea
lament coral
the spin ones, speed and damage/size
pure junco
Quick spin, serrated edge, extended jab.
OK
This is like the Cursed Slash or whatever on sword
lament coral
GY relies solely on its spin, though its special can be used in a jiffy
pure junco
lifesteal
lament coral
kinda, yeah, except GY's spin is ranged and can hit multiple enemies easily, and it also passes through walls
pure junco
Just took a chaos gate and am down to 9 hp ;-;
lament coral
and it only takes away 50% of your max HP as opposed to sword's 70%
though, GY also reduces all healing by 50%
pure junco
Nice
lament coral
golden?
turbid needle
Hum Okey ty :)
pure junco
Do you want artemis attack with Guan Yu?
Or like Dio or Demeter
I would assume an effect.
lament coral
I initially tried Dio because it stacks multiple times
these days though, I usually use either Athena or Aphrodite on attack and Demeter on special
Athena attack causes all of enemies attacks within the spin's projectile to deflect, while Aphro attack just does the most damage and weakens everyone, which is great since your HP pool is low
and Demeter is there simply because her status lasts a whooping 8 seconds, plus the slow is always solid
teal laurel
I just maxed shady
lament coral
of course, with Athena, you wanna get Exposed as soon as possible, while Aphrodite wants extended Weak duration, then increased damage against weakened enemies and weak strength
teal laurel
D^: did i do wrong
lament coral
Guan Yu spear
lament coral
I'm not a fan of Meg because she's not precise enough, not to mention armor and blue shields preventing overkill
same with Than
lament coral
yeah, that's basically their only purpose, kill Hydra/Theseus/Asterius
but they're not usable against Hades which, again, makes em worse in my book
manic dune
shady is good if you just want the gold even on guano
it's 450 gold total for the 5 charges
manic dune
450 gold
lament coral
Skelly gives you time to heal and deal big damage yourself
plus, hitting him with your spin heals you
manic dune
i like the money as it lets me ensure i get the diamond or blood from charon without too much effort
lament coral
on the bright side, Skelly benefits from all enemy modifiers, like blue shields and increased HP
lament coral
Meg is always better because her circles can overlap
Than makes one big circle
that's why the Hydra skip is possible, because of the overlap
teal laurel
I see
but consistency is Than
meg you just do if you really really really hate hydra
teal laurel
Than got buffed
woeful stirrup
Fidi is the best companion.
woeful stirrup
(also, can tell you there's no special line when using Fidi against the mega gorgon, and it makes things a whole lot harder for you)
teal laurel
cause before he was REALLY slow
versed flame
Hey, bit of a weird question and I don't know if it should be in Feedback or not, but... (I don't know if it has already been asked and answered ^^)
Picking Piercing Wave for the Sword, it feels a bit... weird/off-hand/disconnecting that the wave doesn't apply on-hit abilities, like: Doom, Hangover, Jolted (If you have lightning attacks) and so on... Is that supposed to be so?
pure junco
Larger spin area on Guan Yu is absolute memery
woeful stirrup
I believe it's supposed to work like that, Tib, since it's been put in feedback quite a few times and has not been changed. Maybe they feel like it would be OP if they did?
earnest delta
I feel like the rocks in the final boss fight should be made more obvious as to which are actual protection against the laser? cuz one second im hiding, the next i move 1 mm down and it's going through a rock sprite
woeful stirrup
Large spin and quick spin combo on Guan Yu is divine.