does delta/infinity chamber make it so you CAN'T reload? currently running hestia aspect and so reloading is kind of a big deal, but it's the last choice I need for the prophecy
#h1-builds-and-combat
night pasture
muted needle
No
wind vale
you can still reload and it does the same hestia shot as always before returning to the 3 shot burst
but it seems delta chamber alters the dash attack so that it does nothing special anymore
tho dash attack boons still have to work somehow - anyone know if it buffs all 3 shots or just one?
night pasture
Thanks for the info
left swallow
guys how you think is this okay that i dont have demeter in this 4 days of update ???????
lament coral
Delta is Infinity's replacement
infinite ammo but you're limited to 3 shot bursts
which is still faster than reloading
lament lava
it seems demeter needs the randomly show up as your starting pickup first
and after that she shows up in the room reward pool
wind vale
i read here that you need to have reached the final boss(and the permanent cold she made happen) first to get to see her but no idea if thats true - but seems fitting with the conversations
(no need to beat the boss, just reach the fight)
night pasture
dang it, made it to the final shop with enough to buy titan blood and charon just has a diamond
I'm writing a sternly worded letter to him right now
lament lava
i have yet to beat a single run
tho i actually made it to [redacted] several times
i actually made it there for the first time on my 3th run
solid cairn
Impressive
lament lava
it was with the blade
my starting item was a deadalus that gave me Cursed Slash
the most impressive part was i had neither Defiance nor the Tooth at that point
solid cairn
I feel like tooth is the best keepsake for Styx now
lament lava
i now start with the Purse
switch to the Collar for Asphodel
depending on how that goes, i keep the Collar or switch to Teeth on Elysium
and then i keep the Tooth on Styx
formal wyvern
I prefer starting with chaos keepsake
solid cairn
I go 2 god keepsakes on Tartarus and Asphodel always
muted needle
I'm almost always using Skull Earring in Styx
It's a lot of extra damage and i'm guaranteed to take damage
lament lava
lament lava
i oughta try that
muted needle
Considering you get your DD and one more hit or two and you're back inthe 40% extra damage zone..
Depends on your build
But like an aggressive nemesis world splitter
100% earing
Because I'm sure to take damage but I'm also sure to kill hades in sub 1min
I mean if you're not sure you can kill him with your remaining DD it's not a great choice
solid cairn
At least there’s some variety for keepsakes in Styx now
lament lava
...
muted needle
But if you have 2+ dd unless you're taking distant memory or something like that with bow I don't see a better offensive option
muted needle
So often on my bow runs I'm taking knockback dash
that clears all of styx frankly
And then that leaves me with the boss fights
formal wyvern
Knockback dash is really good
muted needle
And depending on build but generally speaking I have tons of space to set up damage from range
lament lava
so far in general my best runs have been with the shield
the shield is a blessing in Styx
muted needle
Like the "distant enemy" isn't really THAT far tbh
A little out of melee range
You can just sorta test it on skelly
formal wyvern
Ill check it out
muted needle
Pretty easy on hades at least with chiron to keep yourself at range and if you're using artemis or demeter on special
formal wyvern
On the other hand 30% base damage, unless multiplicative really isnt that much
muted needle
That's pretty much always going to proc the extra 30%
formal wyvern
Maybe with artemis its good
muted needle
My question is what else do you take? With a melee build that is guaranteed to take damage, earring is better offensively, but if you don't plan on taking much damage you won't proc earring early enough or often enough
So for bow at least distant memory becomes the offensive choice
And if you feel confident in avoiding the traps and are willing to just run away from the big damage spikes you don't really need a defensive trinket
I suppose I sometimes use bone hourglass if I don't plan on fully clearing styx because I'll just wait till I have extra casts or bonus damage or whatever from the wells for the final fight
But that is somewhat RNG reliant
formal wyvern
If you dont take much damage it probably doesnt matter what you take. Im often fighting hades by the skin of my teeth on harder runs so extra defence is great
lament lava
the best run i have had so far is one where i had the shield and i got that one legendary boon from Athena at the end of Styx
the regenerating damage block
muted needle
Yeah it's really handy on the non-laser attacks
Because it'll just straight up block a 30-80 damage hit
formal wyvern
Its still really good for poison laser and ratlings
lament lava
tho the ||second phase|| still killed me
muted needle
deep vault
how do
muted needle
lots and lots of hearts before you get there lol
(also kiting around the pillars because the regen spin goes through obstacles)
lament lava
for whatever reason
muted needle
So you can get to the other side and have a sec to charge up
lament lava
whenever i have a good run and i still have all my defiances at the end of Elysium
i always walk away from the Heroes with none of them left
muted needle
To be fair I feel like Guan Yu is a reasonably hard weapon to master
deep vault
Its super fun
muted needle
Particularly at higher heats or speeds
Because you don't really have time to charge up
deep vault
Heroes weren't too hard but that was probably thanks to my hit and run strategy
muted needle
Heroes for me is either dodge back and forth beneath the 5 o'clock pillar just focusing Asterius or I just go ham on theseus right away and burst him down in the middle and hope that I'm hitting asterius by proxy
Depends on how much dps you can put out
karmic dock
Has anyone ran into a Daedalus hammer while running Hestia Exagryph that had the option for Delta Chamber?
lament lava
flurry gets really broken when you have a lot of on hit effects
lament coral
@karmic dock you can get it, yes
karmic dock
I mean, has anyone picked that option
lament coral
Delta is Infinity's replacement
karmic dock
I'm assuming it just destroys the Hestia aspect
lament lava
Flurry Spear with Support Fire is lol
karmic dock
oh
lament coral
so you don't even have to shoot
karmic dock
does the triple shot get boosted or its 1 empowered 2 normals
lament coral
but you only get the reload option with Delta if you're using Hestia
it doesn't work with Zag or Eris, for obvious reasons
I believe it just shoots 1 power shot
formal wyvern
You can still reload
But picking it is counterproductive
With + dmg boons itsjust better to keep reloading
formal wyvern
Interesting
lament coral
you reload, power shoot, reload, power shoot
as opposed to shoot, reload, power shoot, shoot, reload, power shoot
but yeah, regular Hestia users would probably either pick special upgrades, explosive rounds, or piercing shot
formal wyvern
Itsnot great
wind vale
explosive and shotgun
lament coral
shotgun doesn't work with Hestia
wind vale
shotgun because it benefits from the same boons as hestia
lament coral
you only shoot 1 power shot
formal wyvern
Itgives burst so its still better than many other upgrades
lament coral
and you don't wanna use the normal shot anyway, power shot is your attack
night pasture
how do eris (+ damage if you get hit by your own mortar) and hazard bomb (bonus damage, but can hurt yourself) interact? has anyone been brave enough to try
lament coral
you only take 2-4 damage per hit
it adds up, of course, but the biggest issue with hazard is that its damage staggers you
formal wyvern
That stagger kills it for eris i think
wind vale
also - the power shot from hestia consumes a bullet
lament coral
I tried it once and found it unappealing in general
enemies would just walk out of its huge area
but if you get hazard and triple special, you can easily deal 1k damage
wind vale
meaning you can powershot reload powershot no matter what
lament coral
without crits
night pasture
it worked okay with unescapable blast from the hammer
manic ermine
You can safely trigger eris with hazard bomb using dash iframes
manic dune
uh the red circles going invisible gets really annoying sometimes
lament coral
Theseus fight?
manic dune
yeah the mk2 one
manic dune
no it's consistent it happens everywhere
but it's really obvious in the asterius and thesius mk2 fight
and punishing
lament coral
oh, really? Only started happening to me after the winter patch
lament coral
report it, I forgot to do so
manic dune
that's some nice carpet bombing you got there
actually i did report the red circles disappearing at some point
rancid shore
53 clears with shield
lament coral
I also noticed that Hades' own wave and the big rock's wave from Asphodel's mini boss encounter sometimes goes invisible
manic dune
i also managed to glitch thesius and get him stuck on a coin
after the patch that allegedly fixed that xd
lament coral
been there, done that
waxen imp
shield is op
lament coral
he just keeps pushing em
unborn sparrow
Has charged volley had its range fixed?
lament coral
eventually, he does get through
manic dune
not in my game
lament coral
yes, slightly larger starting range
waxen imp
imagine the ability to negate any damage on basically no cooldown
manic dune
he was stuck in a corner
waxen imp
that's the shield
manic dune
not any damage
waxen imp
you get the point
waxen imp
aoe effects don't dmg you when you're charging
manic dune
i could have gotten Divine Protection this run goddamn it
hard holly
The red circles disappearing, do you mean Theseus's circles?
manic dune
yeah the cluster bombs
hard holly
Because I think thats because of the same reason the guns grenades vanish sometimes
They hit an obstacle and get deflected
So the old circle is no longer accurate and disappears
But no new one gets drawn
manic dune
that definitely happens
waxen imp
the bull rush is an i frame
manic dune
not sure if it's only one thing
like when hades waves go invisible... they can't be deflected
hard holly
Well more accurately the bull rush has i-frames, but yes
Youre invulnerable mid-flight
wind vale
you can also deflect these circle projectiles and the same happens(all the time if its deflect on dash)
manic dune
so there's probably more than one thing causing this effect
manic dune
i think dusa and meg got bugged
at what point do they allow you to give them ambosia
i've died repeatedly and there's just nothing from them
fervent blaze
Hey guys! Just spend last 11hours playing Hades, almost reach the exit! Was defeated by lab near door, looking for something for dogge. So far this game is awesome! Art style with a little of anime touch and greek mythology are the things just most liked by myself! Really enjoyed and looks forward for great story with a lot of heroes and maybe Olympus ascension?! (Minos and Tesey looks kinda off style experimental, but I liked, try maybe a bit more Mignola Hellboy styling ?). And please add some borderless alt-tab support that we can configure to game still animate in background. And definitely want to play it on macos!
snow tangle
wtf I didn't know that you could get lightning strike AND support fire at the same time
Railgun more broken than I thought
fervent blaze
night pasture
just started my first fully upgraded guan yu run and the first room was a daedalus hammer with quick spin
RIP to the final boss
fervent blaze
Just have right now some annoying sound failure, like spinning chainsaw somewhere in each room...=(
sharp rock
I've had that happen with the shield charge noise
fervent blaze
Oh also how to summon Demetra ? already almost reach exit but for 12 hours of gameplay never meet her!
pastel jolt
@manic dune you need to work on the lounge for dusa and meg's is a random conversation that can take a while to fire depending on whether the rng gods are pleased by your sacrifice of blood sweat and tears
sharp rock
Are Sisyphus and Skelly also rng based?
fierce iron
Sisyphus kinda is because it relies on you finding Sisyphus rooms, but Skelly is not
wind vale
gz
and here i was glad i got it done before the patch because everything seemed harder now - so even more impressive
pastel jolt
@sharp rock yes for sisyphus because his revolves around getting the right conversations out of hades and meg before you unlock the purchase, no for skelly because once he's told you the thing you can do it any time after that
waxen imp
ok i'm mad
i'm in elsyium
i open a chest
the blinding light made me walk into an arrow and i died
hybrid frost
@teal helm About your recent feedback; read the 3rd line in the Miscellaneous section of the latest entry in the "hades-patch-notes" thread.
All gold dropping from pillars in Asphodel has been removed.
lament lava
i made it to the surface once more
time to get killed once more
altough
to my own suprise, i didnt lose any defiances to the heroes this run
did lose one to the damn satyrs tho
you know that one room setup in styx
one of the big end rooms
with the cure pool between the 2 blade launchers
lament lava
i have not once completed that room without losing a defiance
wind vale
nice joke
lament lava
doesnt help the room also has minimal coverage against the Snakestones
calm sandal
Are the jars in the final boss fight counted as traps?
last nacelle
Yes
night pasture
yes so be careful in thinking that heat choice is safe
last nacelle
Don't get hit with HS on. You will die.
calm sandal
Im getting sure footing then
last nacelle
Level 2 HS doesn't exist anymore, so there aren't any traps that just straight up kill you like in the past.
calm sandal
I had the option between it and rare proud bearing and th e90% damage reduction
wind vale
what was the maximum a single trap could do with level 2hs? - 270 from the guillotine thingy in styx?
calm sandal
Also is it just me or is Guan Yu spear kinda insane
lament coral
it's not just you
also, don't forget to turn on Lasting Consequences for free heat
as it doesn't affect GY's healing
calm sandal
I am regurally able to get it to hit 150-200 damage a hit and it hits 2-3 times a second
lament coral
with the hammer, right?
lament coral
it would've been dealing half the damage without the big spin hammer
calm sandal
Yeah. The difference between hammers and no hammers with that weapon is kinda insane
wind vale
i mean you kinda always get some
lament coral
that's the problem with these charge weapons
no charge hammers? you suffer
got em? you're a god
wind vale
the special hammers are also good
calm sandal
But with Guan Yu spear the hammers are insane
The spin attack is bad enough on its own for regular spear that the numbers and stats are fine
lament coral
to be fair, there is only one other charge spear, Hades
calm sandal
But with Guan Yu where the spin is usable it just becomes insane
lament coral
and its spin just buffs your attack and special
night pasture
whoof, I just got a splitter witch in a tartarus erebus room, I didn't realize that was something that could happen
nearly messed me up
wind vale
technically achilles can also be used for spin
calm sandal
Not even other spins
lament coral
so it's not like you're looking to deal damage with its spin anyway
all spears have the spin, fyi
there's just no point using it cause it's bad
calm sandal
The hammer upgrades make the spin go from bad to above avergae normally
But when the spin is already good it just becomes insane
lament coral
and there's no point using the spin hammers on em because, by and large, those aspects don't have spin synergies
calm sandal
Just found out this run that apparently the healing is 1% lifesteal not 1 flat on hit because I was hitting for 200 a hit and getting 2 health
wind vale
what i was saying is - you can use achilles buff on the spin attack
but id also only use achilles for the cast
calm sandal
I kinda think that was how the weapon was meant to be played
lament coral
sure, but you're better off pairing it with a cast
lament coral
that's basically how Achilles is usually ran: special, special, cast, cast, special, special, cast
probably with Artemis cast for big damage
wind vale
until you can drop the special for buffing and use it to escape later
and i much prefer it with hunting blades
lament coral
I do wonder what you're supposed to do with the Zeus shield
wind vale
or any cast over artemis tbh
lament coral
just did a run with and it was garbage
spent most of my time just attacking because controlling the shield was a chore
wind vale
i think some said something about explosive return
lament coral
yes, I had it
wind vale
but i really dont like zeus shield
lament coral
and tried calling and recalling but it moves sooooo sloooow
even after I picked up special speed it was still bad
it does mad damage now but it can't stay on top of enemies, at all
and that was without Forced Overtime
wind vale
one quick question - world smasher - can you get it on chaos shield or should i start using zag again?
lament lava
welp, after taking a break before fighting the big boy
i beat phase 1 and got 1 def and the tooth left
lament coral
you can get smasher with Chaos
lament lava
please let this be the run
lament coral
and you can still get your charge with it
in fact, it makes your special charge nigh instantly
lament lava
i screwed up on dodging one of those shockwave attacks
ending up in me touching the shockwave multiple times
which dealt up to like 60-80 damage as a result
lament lava
yeah duh
stone birch
you got it next time
lament lava
i stressed
and borked it
i started stressing on the laser attacks
and stopped paying attention to the shockwaves
at least
i just got enough nectar to buy a third diamond
which of the 3 diamond purchases should i get first
livid comet
it's weird. I play aggressively so I end up not getting hit by the waves often
which 3 do you have?
I got the nectar one myself I think
lament lava
i got none of them yet but i can buy one of them now
wind vale
what are the 3* diamond purchases? - the additional stuff from darkness/gems/keys/nectar?
lament lava
they cost 3 diamonds each
wind vale
i really like nectar and keys
lament lava
which is like 30 nectar per purchase (10 per diamond)
wind vale
darkness is really nice to have and gems are meh
livid comet
Yeah. I like free level ups
lament lava
guess im getting vintage nectar
livid comet
iunno man, I'm at the point where I prefer gems over darkness
wind vale
especially early when you can mostly control where they land
i mean bonus gold seems less valuable than hp
livid comet
Naw you want gold
gold lets you get anything
it's good for healing, boons or poms or darkness or diamonds
wind vale
more max hp is passive healing
livid comet
It's to the point where the cthonian purse is far better than the dog collar
wind vale
and actual stat
sinful sand
Does all the weapons have unlockable hidden aspect, or just the spear?
wind vale
so far only the spear
livid comet
gold can get you max health if you need it tho
lament lava
just the spear rn
lament lava
pretty sure the unlockable aspects will be added one per large update
livid comet
I think this was the last major update before full release tho?
wind vale
hmm - 20 gold or 5 hp
livid comet
20 gold
wind vale
6*20 gold almost buys me 25hp
livid comet
pretty much
thorny edge
there's at least ooone more
wind vale
6*5hp gives me 30hp
thorny edge
the next update will add the last major weapon
lament lava
also big updates can still happen after release
livid comet
iunno why you're focusing on hp so much tbh
indeed
hp is a lot less important than boons and poms
wind vale
1 boon costs 9 gem rooms
livid comet
how do you figure?
thorny edge
gems are 20 gold
wind vale
oh if you mean as meta currency - yea for me darkness is entirely worthless now
livid comet
yeah
wind vale
still the upgrade has more potential for the run than the one to gems for me
livid comet
if you say so
I'm gonna see if the gold makes things better
I often find that I come across Charon and I can only buy darkness
can't buy anything useful until like... asphodeus?
wind vale
depends - i just dont go into shops unless i got enough
tall dove
Do you guys reckon it's intentional that the Chaos Pauper's restriction (can't earn gold for a certain number of encounters) should apply to selling Boons at a Pool of Purging?
wind vale
but i agree - i also pick the coin purse at some point
tall dove
'cause I just found out the hard way that it does
livid comet
ooof
wind vale
quite sure its intentional even if its not too reasonable
sadly the increased gold gain does not apply to the coin purse btw
wind vale
the you cant collect gold does apply to it
lament lava
can i just say
livid comet
n0
wind vale
its amazing
lament lava
i mean even as is bow of hera is pretty hot
wind vale
about tipsy shot + heras bow - playing that quite a few times myself - is it possible that they made it impossible to get dual shot with it?(not sure which of the two it would not work with)
lament lava
i found a deadalus
wind vale
it definitely used to be possible to get burst shot with it before they renamed it
wind vale
but maybe the relentless barrage to help spread something for aoe/status?
storm niche
how can I earn "Skelly's first prize" for the fates?
livid comet
does it still get stuck in the target with Hera?
wind vale
yea
lament lava
lol
wind vale
but the best is dionysus imo which doesnt stick
lament lava
i got rapid fire
and guess what i find the next room
Demeter with the chill attack boon
this gon be good
wind vale
about skellys first prize @storm niche - you need to do a 8(?) heat run and open the statue
there are 3 covered statues in the bottom of skellys room
storm niche
heat runs have to be succesful?
wind vale
and going next to them should show how much heat is required
and yea you have to win to get the prize
storm niche
heat runs still kinda scare me
wind vale
there are a few options that are not that hard
night pasture
wind vale
also the mirror should eventually make you so strong that lower heat runs are really easy to you(that and just learning while doing)
storm niche
I don't even win without in most cases, only won twice
lament lava
welp
wind vale
then just keep doing regular until you feel strong enough for it - its not like you have to do it
lament lava
alecto got destroyed
wind vale
(now or at all)
lament lava
this run going good so far
rain kayak
Hi everyone!
rain kayak
I had a question about fishing: I caught a fish, but I have no idea what to do with it
Do I have to use it during the run? Or at home?
livid comet
die and when you go back, give it to the chef
rain kayak
Oh, alright!
livid comet
he gives you gems in trade
rain kayak
That's great!
livid comet
makes gem farming a whole lot easier
wind vale
or other things if you got lucy and really good fish
rain kayak
Also, do you have some tips on how to use the spear ant the gun? They're the only weapons I can't get a hold on
The only successful spear run I've had was through the chill attack upgrade, and increased attack speed
livid comet
not myself, they're currently my least favourite weapons atm
so I'd be interested in hearing
storm niche
I won with gun once because I got the daedalus upgrade turning the special into a rocket
livid comet
I was shredding through things with the gun and the Zeus arttack
wind vale
quick fire with effects on it(dionysus poison/zeus lighning + support fire)
storm niche
and then a lot of great special boons (neptune special, special speed, rupture, chaos boons, etc.)
wind vale
shotgun with just nice percentage dashing around and hopefully hittign stuff
livid comet
*poseidon
wind vale
special focused
livid comet
afaik gun has the highest attack speed of all the weapons and decent range
it's like a better spear
...wait no, gun shots don't pierce
wind vale
especially then
explosive is so great
only thing is the shield guys in elysium but not really a problem
livid comet
shield Bros suck
I still haven't figured out a reliable strategy for them other than deflecting all their crap back at them
rain kayak
Also, I just started a new game in normal mode (my current first playthrough is in hell mode) and I got different prophecies this time. Is it normal?
wind vale
aoe hits them if the center of it is behind them
else just dash at the right time i guess
and i got no idea about which prophecies are normal
but i guess some of them are triggered by stuff you pick up
rain kayak
For example ,in this second playthrough I got the one about duo boons
I don't have it in my other playthrough
livid comet
uhh
I have it in my first playthrough
I thought getting all the boons was a prophecy
wind vale
maybe picking up one duo triggers it?
livid comet
yeah I would assume so
feral wagon
is there some tips to heat 18 bow?
cuz seems like im stuck there
wind vale
but no idea since i had lots on my profile when prophecies came into the game
i think i did most high heats with chiron stuff but all aspects would work
wind vale
usually only the middle shot
wind vale
but i dont think any hammer synergizes with hera bow
rain kayak
Oh, also, is it possible to lower Charon's prices? I see some boons are 175 while others are 200. I was wondering if it could work with all his items, since the one time I got to the Styx I saw he was selling diamonds
lament lava
just as a general upgrade
flurry shot with frost attack has been really damn good this run
livid comet
I would shoot for flurry shot and quick reload myself
wind vale
i think now all normal shops have boons for 175 except hermes for 200
rain kayak
Oh alright
wind vale
and the last shop has upgraded ones that cost more
(upgraded=higher rarity)
i dont like flurry shot with heras bow
makes it harder to aim exactly where i want it
which is often on the ground with dionysus cast
rain kayak
Btw, am I wrong or are Demeter boons op?
wind vale
i like them but not sure i would call them op
night pasture
to each their own, but I wouldn't say hers are the most powerful
rain kayak
The chill effect seems so powerful compared to almost everything else
livid comet
laughs in Ares/Athena doom build
wind vale
the slow is a nice effect and her % damage increases are in the middle
rain kayak
I haven't exactly understood how doom works, tbh
fierce iron
Yeah, just a chunk of damage after you tag someone with it
full flame
demeter makes things a bit safer with the slow, so it feels very strong especially at lower heat
livid comet
you hit things, they get the doom status effect
eventually it deals a ton of damage to them
so what you do is get the shield special, put doom on it
then grab Athena dash
then grab athena/Ares duo boon
which procs doom in deflect attacks
and your DPS goes through the roof
full flame
yeah, spamming doom crits are hilarious
wind vale
(also make sure to get exposed for privileged status before that)
dusky hull
IIRC there was a thing when if you have 4 boons from different gods (excluding Hermes and Chaos) you wouldn't encounter any other god (again, excluding those two), was it?
jade estuary
whats a good build with shield of chaos?
dusky hull
I've just noticed this kind of coincidence that does not occur on the current update.
frail vector
If I don't take an upgrade that is offered by the first hammer, I won't see that upgrade again on the second hammer, correct?
livid comet
I personally went for Athena's exposed effect on deflect attack. Combined with the Doom status, it procs privileged status and boosts your damage output a whole lot as well
wind vale
i managed to get all gods in a run last update
full flame
it definitely felt like there was much lower chance of finding different gods in that situation before the update @dusky hull
fervent blaze
@jade estuary zeus, ares, Athena multiple throw
livid comet
@jade estuary literally the build we're discussing right now
wind vale
but each god you already met has higher chance to reappeear
jade estuary
oh nice so start athena keepsake?
full flame
but yeah, i've had so many 6+ god runs after the update, kinda silly
feral wagon
btw is there cup for daedalus hammer of 2 again?
dusky hull
@full flame , well, that somewhat sucks, because I can't roll for stable builds of 3-4 gods now.
fervent blaze
@jade estuary i prefer starting from zeus shield throw or ares
wind vale
another thing with chaos shield - poison on special and weak on attack and their duo if possible(also much better with privileged status)
dusky hull
@frail vector , you will have a chance to see it.
livid comet
yeah
full flame
yeah, it doesn't feel as fun after the update in regards to the rng, it's been feedback'd several times now
dusky hull
Well, good then.
full flame
definitely not the charged throw
livid comet
pretty much the same as standard shield?
fierce iron
Charged throw is terrible
full flame
that one doesn't affect all chaos shields
fervent blaze
Yes or damage armor on bull
wind vale
i understand the world smasher is available with it
tall whale
th ea explosion on return is good
wind vale
seems great
fervent blaze
Explosion on return is suppa good
livid comet
yup
fervent blaze
I use bull only for remove armor or block aoe attacks
tall whale
world smasher can't continuously block lasers is the only downside
livid comet
yeah, so Athena attack and dash, Ares special, Ares/Athena duo, Athena exposed
Hermes dash is always good
Artemis if you want ig
but prefer pumping poms into ares
full flame
hermes special speed too
tall whale
does anyone remember how long ares call lasts at max gauge?
full flame
15 sec
tall whale
and how often does blade rift tick?
livid comet
nvm
night pasture
10 times a second
thorny edge
full flame
i think it's twice a second
tall whale
there's no waay it's twice a second
wind vale
.1 sec sounds about right
tall whale
10 times/sec feels about right yea
wind vale
could also have been .2
tall whale
so max gauge ares call is like what, 150 ticks of damage?
night pasture
unless they changed it
wind vale
but then 150 times and the legendary boon 🙂
night pasture
it used to be listed in procs per second but that was more confusing math than people wanted to work out
tall whale
uenuku you joke, but i did get that once
full duration ares call w/ legendary boon on hades
killed from 1/3 hp
and i lost combo like halfway through
wind vale
but then you also need pressure points to make it crit since sadly the athena artemis duo cant be active there
tall whale
who needs crit when you're doing like 80 dmg a tick
lament lava
okay
wind vale
to make it deal a lot more
lament lava
time to face the big boi again
and this time i still got
full HP, all defiances, and the tooth
this has to be the run
tall whale
all you need is world smasher :3
wind vale
gl
tall whale
but yea gl!
tall whale
the acorn from eurydice isn't bad either
night pasture
when they hit something, that's where the cast procs
proud storm
it drops the casts at the arrow's point of impact but the lasers always shoot to the right
unless they changed that
turbid needle
I feel like Hydra is bit too powerful now compared to his underpowered self.
solid cairn
Guan yu is so cool
lament lava
- 22 from support fire
rain kayak
Got the ares/atena duo right now. That's amazing
lament lava
okay
phase 1 down
still got like 200 hp and all my defiances
this just has to be the run
night pasture
in my experience it's easy to be baited into a damage race in the 2nd pahse, which you MIGHT win, if you're specced right
but it's easier to avoid damage than you might think
night pasture
heckl yeah you are
full flame
it means they instantly die when they drop to 10% health if they have the chill debuff on them
lament lava
H A D E S
night pasture
that's exactly right, you only need to get them down to 90% damage
lament lava
V A N Q U I S H E D
tall whale
if you've played dota 2, think ancient apparition
lament lava
POG
wind vale
gz
lament lava
I DID IT
tall whale
gj!
feral wagon
gotcha boyz
full flame
it's effectively an ~11% damage increase
full flame
Rare Crop?
feral wagon
so all my boons become common then in a few encounters they will be heroic?
i mean by the time
full flame
it randomly selects the indicated number of boons that are upgradeable, drops them to common, then every 3 encounters increases by 1 rarity; so 9 encounters total to reach Heroic
turbid needle
@feral wagon i already close up game
lament lava
too bad i cant post printscreens here of my results creen
full flame
in your case, it doesn't even look like you have 3 boons to upgrade, probably not the best choice there @feral wagon
lament lava
how do i post my results screen here
full flame
you have to paste the image somewhere else and then copy the link here
stray glade
Had a run just now with the 3-hit dash attack spear upgrade, but was kinda disappointed when, after i got the chain lightning attack boon, it only resulted in 1 instance of the chain lightning
full flame
yeah, that's how Zeus typically works with multi hits
stray glade
anyone know what effects stack and what dont with it? It seemed like the Chill attack that I got later stacked
full flame
it's just one instance of lightning per attack click
things that actually stack like hangover, chill, doom (with stacking boon) would stack
stray glade
dang. They might want to re-word the zeus attack boon then, its worded "whenever you deal damage with your attack" which implies it would work with all 3 hits
stray glade
i love all the lines at the end lol
fallow niche
Guan Yu is actually good post-buffs now I'd have to say
feral wagon
my gosh, how the hell didnt i get a motha fckin special upgrade having 5 demetris boons
fallow niche
Its just RNG reliant
feral wagon
rediculous
fallow niche
After trying some things with it
stray glade
my win today was about Zag settling down on a farm until he stepped on a rake, smacked himself in the face and died lol
last nacelle
True last boss is a fungus wielding a rake riding in a chariot that spreads the flu.
fallow niche
They are also a lady and usually reside near a red pool, don't forget that
wind vale
and that wall
feral wagon
should i report just the starting dialog, or am i supporsed to report every sentence which was not voiced?
wind vale
dusas summon is really cute and its funny to see her fight but i think its technically the weakest one of the 5
but still really funny
feral wagon
w8, i can do 100% healing reduction through the pact of punishment
so the only way i can heal, by getting demetris and afrodite boons?
wind vale
i think its possible to heal with guan yu and that sword hammer since they dont seem to be reduced by it
no idea how that demeter boon works with it
neon bough
aaaaaaaaah I can't deal with the unskippable Hades cutscene every ~3 run start anymore
lament lava
huh
feral wagon
deal with it boy
wind vale
btw - does anyone else have this as well - there seems to be something invisible in the final room
lament lava
interesting
wind vale
can dash into it and i hit something
and i can deflect it
(so i can trigger the artemis athena duo)
lament lava
btw
wind vale
and its still there after the fight
feral wagon
picture
wind vale
nice
lament lava
Tipsy Shot Hera and Flurry Shot Frost Strike were both
extremely good
since both just slap slowness on Hades
feral wagon
but what i can tell u, that there is invisible npc like right here https://puu.sh/F3IOq/0487fe2d7c.png look something block the light and shadow occurs, also you cant move
so probably there is just an NPC
fallow niche
Dusa's summon is def the weakest
full flame
i feel like Dusa is purely for the entertainment of her voicelines
lament coral
@feral wagon do you remember what the dialogue was?
feral wagon
dialog i reported?
lament coral
yeah, cause that happened to me a few times
feral wagon
first of all, can u name me what this thing called left to the mirror?
lament coral
huh?
feral wagon
where u r taking ur rewards for completing properties?
lament coral
what?
fallow niche
Fated list?
turbid needle
Prophecy of fates or something?
wind vale
the fated list on your table?
lament coral
fated list of prophecies
subtle spire
of the minor variety
feral wagon
yeah remember, the finishing one, which let you take dusa furniture help through this fated list of prphecies
lament coral
oh, you need to buy some fixes
remove Cerberus scratches, buy him a bed, something else
feral wagon
yeah i completed it, so that was the finishing dialog with dusa, which let me claim my reward there
lament coral
ok, so you got her companion
feral wagon
i still dont get it, but path is opened
river garden
Hey peeps, anyone knows if keepsakes from gods are bugged atm? I've picked one between the floors and my next boon encounter wasn't the one I've picked
Or does it work only on starting boon?
lament coral
ok, so you'll be able to ambrosia her the next time you meet
feral wagon
@river garden its working, but it appear only at the beggining of the run
lament coral
@river garden it only affects the very first boon you see
wind vale
?
river garden
Oooh so pretty much every god's keepsake is useless after start?
lament coral
so if you picked Athena and then saw Athena's room but chose another, that's it
that was your guaranteed Athena and you chose not to take it
river garden
No, the first room I've cleared didn't contain path to chosen boon type
feral wagon
@river garden hell no, if you read it you can see it still buffs the rarity of boons
wind vale
no - when you equip it the game tries to force that god to appear until you get one boon from them
only god that can randomly prevent that is hermes
lament coral
what were the choices?
feral wagon
i sometimes get a daedalus hammer at the start of the game, so he probably too get it
river garden
I've chosen Dionysis but gold and Artemis paths appeared
lament coral
and which keepsake did you start with?
feral wagon
dont confuse him
lament coral
oh, Dio
river garden
I've started with different one but after first floor I've taken the cup
feral wagon
hes asking why there is no boon he wishes for, when he swaps it deep in the game already
wind vale
there should be
mild crag
You may have just missed it
river garden
I still have the keepsake in my inventory with "1" near it
mild crag
Asphodel has a lot of three exit rooms
lament coral
first floor? Do you mean you swapped your keepsake after beating the first boss?
wind vale
sometimes there are other exits you could have missed? like a heat gate for the challenge room or just a exit quite far away?
feral wagon
w8 what? are the gods boons supporse to appear even when you switch em between the biomes?
lament coral
yes
river garden
I did swap keepsake after clearing first floor
feral wagon
are u sure? i was testing it like half a yeah or somethin ago, that was not working this way
wind vale
in asphodel the exit barges are often quite spread out, maybe just missed one?
lament coral
that is how it works
river garden
Oh wait i seem to get the Dionysis room now
lament coral
ok, I'm gonna use a simple example
river garden
Wonder if it will make "1" near keepsake dissapear
wind vale
once you talk to dionysus, yes
lament coral
if you start the game with Dionysus' keepsake, the first boon you'll ever see will be from Dio
feral wagon
not always, sometimes you can get a daedalus hammer instead
lament coral
if you change your keepsake after beating the boss to, say, Aphrodite, the first boon you'll see will be from Aphrodite
a hammer is not a god boon
river garden
I've taken Dionysis boon but still have "1" near the keepsake
wind vale
unless hermes jumps in the way - that is sometimes possible and delays the god you wanted
river garden
But I've literally just taken Dionysis' boon
feral wagon
yeah i understand how it works (: i just correct you
river garden
Maybe it applies the keepsake if some other god has been rolled for the room?
wind vale
its used the moment you talk to dionysus usually
lament coral
you're saying you picked Dio, and the first exits you saw were gold and Artemis?
river garden
Yeah
lament coral
I've literally never had that happen to me
wind vale
same
lament coral
but hey, the cup still holds the charge
so I would assume you're bound to get Dio after
also, if you haven't taken the door yet, hit F10 and report the issue
river garden
I've encountered double boon room and it had Dionysis and Ares
And not the keepsake is used
Seems like it first rolls room to have a boon then it rolls the god
wind vale
oh thats right - double boon rooms can also get in the way
river garden
And if that god is not the one with your keepsake it uses it
If it is then the keepsake is not used
Btw what's the difference between boon rarity and level?
I've noticed that levels have diminishing returns
Does rarity allows you to level them further with less diminishing?
full flame
rarity increases the base start of the stats
mild crag
Rarity is a multiplier
lament coral
no, higher rarity means a higher starting point
mild crag
Higher rarity gives you better poms too
full flame
yeah bc poms are % based
lament coral
so a level 5 common would have worse stats than a level 5 epic, but they'd both scale poorly with levels past a certain point
full flame
so if your flat base is higher, the amount you get from each pom is higher too
river garden
Hmmm i see
full flame
but yeah, diminishing returns still happen
mild crag
It's because each Pom is a % of the previous amount you gained
river garden
But some boons are available only on certain rarity?
gray lodge
Remind me to never do charged throw with chaos shield. Makes gameplay so clunky. It doesnt always fire when I press q
full flame
support boons are not available at Heroic rarity; Legendary boons are always and only Legendary, and Duo boons are their own classification as well; legendary and duos can't be leveled up by poms either
i should say most support boons actually, might be some that still are?
river garden
Btw I've wondered: are there any GoW easter eggs in the game?
mild crag
@full flame most of them are from Eurydice and Rare Crop
full flame
right
river garden
So what charges god meter up? I've managed to fully charge it only on hydra fight
One every other fight its maximum 3-4 parts
fervent blaze
Hey guys best shield so far ? Chaos or zeus ?
full flame
dealing and taking damage
night pasture
honestly I think the zag aspect makes the shield one of the easiest weapons in the game
river garden
Is Zeus even good? I've tried it only once and it seem to suck since it deals miniscule damage and travels back that flow
Maybe with some status applying effect it'd be good
Since it ticks a lot, but I've picked Artemis boon which fires arrow every time you damage something with your attack, special or cast and it didn't seem to work with Zeus' shield at all
worn badge
zues with hungover is reeeally good imo
turbid needle
If I'm not wrong, taking damage and dealing damage charges up the god meter
night pasture
zeus has a status effect, and yes, he's good, because he does chain damage to everyone
worn badge
nah i meant zues shield
full flame
support fire only fires off one arrow per ability button click when you deal damage
night pasture
oic
worn badge
with hungover on special
river garden
It doesn't say that it does that
feral wagon
just encoutered unvoiced dialog again, is my game kinda crash on this, or thats common occasions?
river garden
Or maybe it says "attack"
full flame
so multi hit attacks only get one support fire arrow
river garden
But that is kinda ambiguous
north hedge
Hm. Apparently I can't post in feedback. How do I ask the devs to reword Support Fire? Based on the boon text I thought it would fire an arrow multiple times for multi hit attacks/hitting more than one enemy and it doesn't
full flame
check pins in #hades-feedback
fallow niche
asdf
than and sack rng made my run so much slower
only 14 minutes with poseidon sword
real bad
river garden
Quietly sits in the corner with one shield clear
fallow niche
:v sorry speedrunning woes
I'm really charged to get a better time after someone in the speedrunning discord tied haelian's chaos shield run time with the poseidon sword this update
river garden
I mean I've been only playing the game for like 3 days
fallow niche
Oh, then you're already doing better than some people
Some people here have... many runs and haven't been able to get a win
fallow niche
spice siren
people speedrun the game?
river garden
People speedrun anything
spice siren
true lol
river garden
Well maybe in exception of multiplayer games
fallow niche
yeah anything
spice siren
people will find some way to speedrun stuff
fallow niche
pretty much
this game has some seriously interesting speedrunning tech in it though
like it has all the qualities that make great and fun games to speedrun
even including a big glitch for any%'ers
hydra skip
river garden
I always thought that such games are bad for speedrunning since they have too much RNG in them
Its like BoI
fallow niche
Hades has a ton of ways to mitigate RNG
full flame
@river garden you can see your keepsake stats that have stacked for Hermes/Than if you look at the boon icon
fallow niche
and we use seeding
river garden
If you get proper items/synergies you can just steamroll through everything
You do? They weren't there the last time I've checked
spice siren
the rng is what makes the game fun to me
fallow niche
you can't guarantee anything per run, but with the amount of rng mitigation Hades gives you, you can be sure of a general time frame
its also what makes speedrunning the game just fun in general too
always exciting
river garden
I mean the RNG is literally main aspect of such games
full flame
yeah whatever the button is that where you inspect your boons, you can look at the keepsake too
fallow niche
there is a difference between RNG deciding the outcome and RNG providing the basis for you to make your own outcome
and Hades is the latter
especially with Fated Authority
there are a few things the devs could do to make speedrunning more consistent (somehow dealing with thanatos as well as Sack RNG in styx) but otherwise the game is real fun for it
full flame
@river garden looks like this - https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/612382629505007618/669768382614077450/77B1B277D33F724752D04C3F9D9C1F66A42FD449.png
river garden
Oh my bad then, but still all stats in one window would be nice to have
spice siren
wait that seems broken lol
trail sparrow
Ok... how?
lament coral
he didn't get hit
lament coral
probably Hestia
fallow niche
yeah
feral wagon
btw do any1 know. is this daedalus charged volley synergies with special buffs?
full flame
with Eris
lament coral
how does that work with the amp shot? +60 something?
fallow niche
38 is still a long time
tho not as long as i was expecting with that
but shoot you got that hilarious image
lament coral
that's on normal tho, he was creaming everyone in 1 hit
fallow niche
jesus
full flame
it was an Aphro special rocket bomb run
river garden
Does it stack multiplicatively with other damage buffs from boons?
full flame
yes
lament coral
wow
river garden
Dam
river garden
Damn the dialogues are just keep going and going and going and going
And when you expect them to repeat you get more unique dialogues
VA surely did a great job
dapper bridge
oh yeah the VA is really good
feral wagon
you can have only 2 daedalus hammers upgrades again?
full flame
correct
stray frigate
2 per run
feral wagon
ty boyz
river garden
Yeah they are bonkers though
dapper bridge
it used to be 3 but I think they changed it semi-recently
river garden
Some upgrades are really powerful
stray frigate
@dapper bridge u have 3rd in the start as aspect
oblique tusk
i can't get used to the rail tbh
river garden
Yeah just beat Hades 2nd time!
stray frigate
grats
river garden
This time legitimately
oblique tusk
what are some good synergies for it?
also nice
why was the first time not legitimate?
stray frigate
@oblique tusk i prefer Zeus or Dio
versed ibex
am I understanding correctly that Thanatos only shows up in the main hall if you won against him in combat?
river garden
Because first time was played on pirated copy when i was trying the game out
full flame
depends on playstyle and aspect
oblique tusk
ah
river garden
But then after playing it for a bit I've bought it on Steam
oblique tusk
dad just beat my ass when i had a pretty great run
feral wagon
river garden
Not sure if waiting for sale to go down gives more money to the devs or not
feral wagon
pew-pew mothafacka
full flame
can do on-hit attack with like Zeus or Dio, can go for triple special and spam big damage with that for Aphro/Arte or whatever
feral wagon
just finish hydra in like 40 secs
oblique tusk
delta chamber, zeus auto attack with support fire
and i just
can't get used to its movement
full flame
or if using Hestia aspect rail, you want high damage % attack for the big single shot
oblique tusk
would be cool if hestia aspect just made it a one-shot weapon
turn it into bolt-action
stray frigate
@full flame Demeter has good attack scaling too btw
river garden
So you think we'll get to battle all the gods later in the game?
oblique tusk
didn't they nerf aphro's attack scaling?
also, i hope you don't have to fight artemis D:
full flame
i think slightly, but it's still the highest
oblique tusk
artemis best girl
stray frigate
Those who say Artemis is best
Read about Adonis
Aura
And Niobe
esp 2nd and 3rd
oblique tusk
i know most of the awful things the greek gods did
and oh boy there's a lot
but hades is taking some liberties either way
river garden
it does because the other way you would not be able to see the gods in the game as positive personalities
Like Zeus would just try to have sex with everything that moves
stray frigate
aaaand he was Zagreus father in some version too iirc
oblique tusk
idt zeus tried to have sex with men, most of the time
river garden
I mean so many stuff in Greek mythology are from Zeus
Centaurs are his children iirc
Half of the gods too
fierce iron
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503594323313426444/670792842192355329/20200125195049_1.jpg What in tarnation
azure bone
Man a lot of the new hammer upgrades and changes kinda... suck?
stray frigate
good curse at least
azure bone
Sometimes I get a buncha upgrades that I don't even want