but i understand it struggling on higher heats
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
Poseidon is versatile enough
teal laurel
it deals dumb damage doe
fallow niche
bow is just awkward
turbid needle
^
full flame
don't get me wrong, i love playing cast builds with poseidon, but it's not much swordplay
turbid needle
That's fair Jager
if anything, I end up dash attacking with sword like 90 % of the time
full flame
and i generally avoid hammers like the plague using Poseidon
turbid needle
if it isn't poseidon
fallow niche
That doesn't make sword bad that just makes melee sword builds bad
teal laurel
^^
turbid needle
^
teal laurel
also with poseidon you want to fish for wide nova
cause larger area is safer for pos
fallow niche
Yeah
turbid needle
That's a given
full flame
it's a minor buff
teal laurel
after that its just lmao
fallow niche
I don't shoot for it, but if I see a hammer its really nice
full flame
in that case
fallow niche
nah it saves a ton of life
teal laurel
^^^
fallow niche
lets you not overextend
full flame
you're still getting up close to retrieve stones, so it's not game-changing
teal laurel
nova range is kinda average
its not bad bad like others say
but its kinda
ehhhhh
its not slow but the delay for activating it stacks up with its range sometimes
fallow niche
yeah
teal laurel
TBH the buff I want for sword iis not necesarily nova smash or dash attack
its the combo series
its actually useless
full flame
i just feel like the sword in general has two main weaknesses, the lack of an innate ranged attack (looking at you lava flyers) and in my opinion an awful dash attack
teal laurel
nah sword dash attack is good
fallow niche
sword is a ranged weapon what are you talking about? 
fallow niche
tfw i main poseidon sword
teal laurel
but at the same time
full flame
lol
teal laurel
sword is so fast
full flame
like i said, i love Poseidon sword cast builds
fallow niche
it aint that fast
teal laurel
so its kinda dumb to have a range option with a weapon that non commital at times
fallow niche
flurry spear is fast
fallow niche
flurry spear + epic hermes attack upgrade = i am a million bees fear me
full flame
for Zag and Nemesis sword though,there are certain moments were you're just twiddling your thumbs basically, like things flying over lava/gaps, or Astarius/Hades spin
fallow niche
zag sword is total garbo
full flame
compared to any other weapon that can continue to do some damage
teal laurel
zag sword right now is okay
fallow niche
wot
teal laurel
the dash distance is helpful
fallow niche
its literally strictly worse than nemesis
teal laurel
well that i agree
full flame
it's supposed to be of course
teal laurel
nah not really
fallow niche
and nemesis isn't very impressive compared to every other weapon that has a way to not die
turbid needle
Not " Strictly " but it's not that practical compared to the other aspects yeah
teal laurel
Sword only has DPS
turbid needle
Dang good DPS, but yeah
tired pivot
Laser cast best cast
turbid needle
^
full flame
that's new, and granted i haven't even tried Zag sword after patch
turbid needle
25 % sounds like a lot more than it is
fallow niche
yeah
full flame
but didn't seem enticing enough to me to go for it
teal laurel
but yeah i need to agree they need to buff dash distance more
nemesis is my main sword doe
the best nemesis build ive came to contact with is actually weak attack double dash strike piercing wave upgrades
cause three attacks within one dash attack is a good amount of burst
especially if it crits on any of those attacks
full flame
yeah Aphro attack is the best for Nemesis, no doubt
fallow niche
ares / athena duo build nuking everything in the game is what I rolled
does the job more than fine
turbid needle
Axe swing upgrade can be fun with Artemis for big damage
especially with aphro for the duo
teal laurel
tbh I think the worst aspect of sword is not really the combo series even doe IT IS bad
but its the hammer upgrades
half is a death wish
half is really good and should be pick most of the time
fallow niche
i would say, especially with all the new hammer upgrades, most weapon hammer upgrades are total complete TRASH across the board
honestly
there are a handful of good ones
not on any specific weapon
all of them
like explosive return > ALL for shield
and flurry/launcher > ALL for spear
etc
the only exception is Rail
Rail has a ton of good ones
turbid needle
What would be the best sword upgrade ? I'd say the double dash one but I'm not that sure
teal laurel
tbh i dont understand why cruel thrust is in the game
fallow niche
Its hard to say
fallow niche
all of swords hammer upgrades are so lukewarm
and the new lifesteal one is.... terrible
turbid needle
The new lifesteal one would be decent if it actually proc'ed out of dash attack lmao
fallow niche
oh god it DOESN'T?
teal laurel
yeah like i agree with a weapon haveing ONE god upgrade
but at least the others doesnt actively kill you
well there's one upgrade that does
but sword only has good
and will murder you
tall whale
hm... is it just me or does aspect of zagreus for shield seem kinda meh
fallow niche
but yeah most of the new hammer upgrades diluted the pool of good ones and honestly whenever I see a hammer I try and roll out of it once I get the singular one I care about for a weapon
teal laurel
its vanilla
turbid needle
It's been more like my plan too, TBH
fallow niche
turbid needle
Like the second hammer ain't required when you have the one you need
fallow niche
the plight of sword mains
teal laurel
that and i play melee sword
fallow niche
"they're all bad so i might as well take all of them"
teal laurel
its already a diluted mess
fallow niche
fallow niche
whenever I play poseidon sword i run away from the hammer upgrades like the plague tbh
they're actively worse than just 100 gold
teal laurel
yeah I understand that
fallow niche
some of them actually cripple the build too
teal laurel
nemesis you just mbrace it
tall whale
which shield aspect would yall recommend actually?
onyx otter
is anyone else getting a huge diversity in gods relative to before the patch, or is it a bad string of variance on my end? hard to get a tightly knit run going
fallow niche
RNG seems to be completely bad right now @onyx otter
teal laurel
escept for required stuff
fallow niche
Not sure why
full flame
the diversity of gods per run did seem to increase
teal laurel
lmao i dont feel the bad RNG stuff
fallow niche
I think the added God and the change to replacement boons so much more frustrating
onyx otter
anecdotally, large diversity of gods + many replacement boons feels terrible
full flame
i've had runs with 4 different gods going into Styx, and then there's two new completely different gods available in Styx shop
fallow niche
despite me loving demeter, the game feels worse now
I find myself growing more frustrated than ever with my recent runs
probably going to just take a break from the game soon
full flame
same
fallow niche
I got my 32 heat on each weapon
fallow niche
I guess that's all I need when the game seems to want to shaft me every other run
onyx otter
i did 4 runs tonight, 3 of them finished with demeter attack, aphrodite cast, and artemis dash because somehow those were the best options i was ever given
fallow niche
I went a few runs in the last day where I was never offered an attack boon over the course of the entire run to Hades @onyx otter
Its foul
This shouldn't happen
They offered to replace my dash 17 billion times though!
teal laurel
mood
full flame
lol
onyx otter
that is foul indeed
i just can’t get any synergies going and it’s a bummer
i‘m also quite confident that styx feels substantially harder than hades at this point
full flame
it is, especially at higher heat, mostly because of the spearpoint nerf
old spearpoint made Styx a cakewalk to be honest, mostly bc of all the poison
the poison actually made it easier to deal with other damage
now, you have to deal with the poison and all other damage
onyx otter
i think its largely due to impatience. rats stand still in their poison pools for a decent amount of time, and their hp pools are ludicrous
full flame
yeah, old spearpoint let you just rush and facetank everything
onyx otter
exactly yeah
full flame
now more caution is required and you can actually feel the claustrophobia more bc of all the poison on the floor and satyr projectiles to avoid
slender basin
manic dune
yeah you need to spec for the charge
then just spam charge all day
if you want to have minimal interaction with the game
fossil wing
@fallow niche hey -- appreciate you talking about your experience with the latest update here. Can you clarify what you mean by "change to exchange boons"?
fallow niche
I assume by your post that there wasn't actually a change to the exchanging of boons?
snow tangle
Arctic blast + chill on attack for railgun is quite refreshing
fallow niche
The rate of gods asking to exchange boons has increased significantly since the update
At least from my experience
I assume it was in one of the patchnotes
But I guess not?
fossil wing
We did not make an intentional change to that (though we did obviously add one more Olympian to the pool). Is it happening to you with certain Olympians more than others?
fallow niche
Hmm, maybe, I didn't record anything
Although I see a lot of gods asking to replace my Athena dash a lot
Like several times a run when I do get it
It is reassuring that this isn't intentional though
manic dune
I had a run where I had an exchange from approx 5 gods in a row for my Call if that's relevant
fallow niche
Also somewhat nerve-wracking to be questioned by a dev tho I'll say that 😳
fossil wing
Haha -- it's ok! It's not an interrogation. I was just hoping to get some information so we could try to replicate your experience.
manic dune
had epic Ares Call, everyone offered me their Heroic version
fallow niche
@fossil wing While you're here I do have to say that your games have had a significant and positive impact on my personal life throughout the years, I hope you all know you're doing powerful stuff here ❤️
fallow niche
Thank you!
I will say my experience isn't unique, my friends on campus are whining about gods asking to exchange boons a lot more recently
Perhaps its just mass RNG, stuff happens 😆
trim snow
i didn't observe that in my games today
full flame
@fossil wing I put it in Feedback yesterday I think. It seemed to be almost a guarantee after the update that whatever first boon you take, the next one and maybe two will offer a replacement for that same slot; this rarely happened before the update
fossil wing
@full flame thanks -- are you using any pact conditions just playing on 0 heat?
full flame
seemed to be the same regardless of heat
but yes, many runs using both heat and no heat
also for further context as per feedback, this is using a near maxed mirror and maxed god keepsake
tall whale
aaaay, just got to temple of styx for first time
is there anything i should know about this place?
tall whale
i survived the theseus fight on 8 health, and killed him right before his attack connected that would have killed me
unkempt pagoda
you’ll need to find a satyr sack in order to get past this point, which chamber it’s in is random
lament rampart
how do i get the game roles?
tall whale
in #bot-commands
what do cleansing shrines do?
i see a cure prompt but what does it cure?
full flame
styx poison
unkempt pagoda
there’s no permanent resources here, almost everything given is a run resource that will help you for the final boss
satyrs and giant rat puddles will inflict poison on you, which you cure at the pools
teal laurel
oh there's a dev
time to hide
@fallow niche what's a good close range aspect for spear
fallow niche
zag
go for hammer and try and get flurry
zeus on attack
dont ever use special
put something on dash for priv pos
teal laurel
but isnt zag aspect special buff
fallow niche
yes it is
but what do the other aspects give you for close range stuff?
two of them are spin based
one of which is bad
and one is achilles
which you could technically use but i find it more awkward than zag
zag also lets me get explosive launcher as a backup plan if i cant get flurry
its mostly a hedging thing
i dont preseed runs or anything
manic dune
the new dash hammer is kinda interesting
fallow niche
losing the dash distance hurts a lot
and it does less dps than flurry
sadly
it does look cool af tho
full flame
there is no way it's less dps than flurry
manic dune
yeah you need to combo it with a good hermes buff or two or you're screwed
fallow niche
I have used both a ton, it does less dps than flurry @full flame
full flame
will have to play around with both a bit more maybe
teal laurel
i think i got converted into sword shield mains
Bow is my back up doe
every other weapon im bad with
either that or its not fun
aka rail
full flame
although i'm also thinking of Guan Yu with Serrated
teal laurel
@fallow niche you know what's a good potential zag aspect
attack speed
teal laurel
also Cruel thrust needs to disappear or allowed to be used with dash strike
full flame
for the longest time i thought that cruel thrust affected the dash strike and kept trying to get both
was so sad when it didn't
teal laurel
i feed backed that dash strike should count as the first hit of the combo
to make it easier
but alas
its not here
@fallow niche TBH another thing i want for sword is for all attack hammers also apply to dash strike
cause it feels jarring that wirld splitter is specific to non dashing attack
fallow niche
I agree too
teal laurel
despite everything that has the attack wording applies to both
fallow niche
Completely
Its obvious they dont for balance reasons
But sword is weak balance wise now
Also flurry spear works on dash attacks
they're just faster lol
just make them all work for all weps to make it consistent
dash attacks are the way to go in general
teal laurel
yeah
i really think that the base kit of the sword isn't that weak weak
its just the combo attack
and the hammer upgrades are all over the place
snow tangle
So is the fake bobbing intentional?
teal laurel
fishing?
snow tangle
ya
snow tangle
I get it, but the fake bobbing just seems way less smoother than the real bobbing so I wasn't sure if it was just a glitch or something
tough echo
the wiki has always been my best resource
@dreamy oxide Thank You~
waxen imp
is it just me or is the zag aspect sword useless
kind cloud
i got my time down to 25 mins, yay me! baby steps...
i'll be content if i can get my time down to under 20 minutes at around 8+ heat with shield of chaos
teal laurel
@waxen imp it depends on what
other aspects? yeah
compared to nemesis yeah
by itself no not really nyooming ability pretty fun
versed ibex
bleh I'm finding the duo-cast prophecy to be such a pain to fulfill
grab the two gods I want, grab all the prereqs, and then--they stop showing up, denying me their duo
snow tangle
Meanwhile athena and artemis are really adamant in the idea of me getting their duo literally every run
whole burrow
So is it impossible to do a 45 Heat Run?
I am under the impression that no human would be able to pull one off
Or even an AI for that matter
versed ibex
If you can manipulate the RNG to give you only good things? But it would be TAS only 😂 (I have no idea, honestly)
whole burrow
I would think that the extra spawns would take too long for you to be able to finish sub-21 minutes
pearl plank
Zag aspect is my favourite because nyoom
whole burrow
I could see a 43 Heat run without the timer
pearl plank
I love that it effects the dash now
whole burrow
I mean 41 (since timer = 2)
versed ibex
yeah, maybe if you get maxed Zag sword for extra speed, and then... idk. if every single attack crit'ed?
and you avoid all battles when possible
whole burrow
At some point. Someone is going to make the legendary Youtube run
That defies all logic
pearl plank
I’m surprised it’s still never been done
whole burrow
I mean. I think it's theoretically possible
versed ibex
do Thanatos rooms spawn more enemies, or just the usual? (per your heat setting)
pearl plank
Usually the ultimate challenge in a game is demolished within days
whole burrow
Actually... No
Doesn't the extra mobs just add extra waves rather than add more units per wave?
I guess there's a reason why Skelly caps it at 32
pearl plank
It’d have to be extra units per wave, right? It’s in 20% increments and the waves aren’t that small
versed ibex
Like, if we imagine a "perfect" run--you never take a hit because the AI is just that good. I guess you have Thanatos's keepsake so you do more damage for not taking damage? And then you always take shops when available, you get super lucky and get sisyphus, euridice, and patroclus. Be lucky and get always the fastest mid-boss/fury. Find the sack on the first try..........
pearl plank
Don’t think it’s possible to get sack on first try
versed ibex
oh, and always take chaos rooms since that's another quick battle skip
pearl plank
I’m 80% sure it’s always second or later
versed ibex
Huh. I feel like I've gotten it first try before? Maybe? But don't quote me on this.
whole burrow
I mean. All enemies also have the extra shields and health and you also have to give up Boons at the end of each stage
Along with that, you also get no boon choices
versed ibex
that's why we manipulate RNG for the perfect run 😂
whole burrow
Even then, you're missing out a lot of DPS
from not having your Darkness
And having to face enemies with Damage Control and extra health
I feel like this would be impossible
versed ibex
I think it would have to be a very specific set of circumstances
like, mostly impossible
pearl plank
Impossible is a big call
versed ibex
I don't even think it's possible to get all three of sisy/euri/patroclus in one run?
pearl plank
Even if there’s a 1% chance of getting a doable run it’s then not impossible
versed ibex
and ideally you'd get a fountain room in each area, but I think you only get one per run, yeah?
versed ibex
yeah the increased enemy health/armor and decreased DPS is the real killer. which is why you'd need to skip almost all the battles
whole burrow
And by that point, when you get to Hades
You're missing out on a lot of boons
If you're forced to skip
Like this run is definitely possible without the time constraint
teal laurel
time to play shieldo
versed ibex
forced to skip battles doesn't mean not getting boons, though? you get some boons from chaos (... lol for even more detriment to you) and are super lucky and get freebie boons all the time leading up to the bosses. And somehow end up with enough money to buy boons in Styx. (................... so unlikely)
whole burrow
You also have to give up boons because of the "Underworld Customs"
I haven't seen that for Chaos though. Does it include that as well?
versed ibex
I don't think you can give up chaos boons
versed ibex
before all the nerfs 😂
whole burrow
But yeah. He has full access to his Boons and his Darkness.
fallen quarry
Haven't got to run much since the latest small patch, but after the main patch I've done a 32 run on the chaos shield and zag bow
both with 7 minute timer, shield I used darkness and +60% mobs, bow I had the mobs normal, and used 1k darkness
whole burrow
Is it possible to do a 45 Heat Run? How much of it relies on skill?
fallen quarry
prior to the main patch, someone did a 40 heat chaos shield run
whole burrow
Which pacts were still untouched?
Because some of the pacts are dealbreakers for me in my casual playthroughs
fallen quarry
it's on youtube, I don't recall what exactly he ran
yeah, some of the pact stuff really keeps you on your toes
whole burrow
Not having choices really sucks
fallen quarry
it can, though artemis is a good way around it
since she's more just raw damage than she is about getting special boon combos or privilege status
I still like aphro too
try to get both of them so at least one of them ends up on my main attack
not too hard usually when you just cut one option, cutting two though leaves a lot of praying to be done
and if you throw chaos into the mix, he can really pull off some bs
get lucky with a good boon or two from him, and you can get junk boons and pull off wins in hard conditions
whole burrow
Oh well. I am still really far from attempting 32 so I still have a long ways to go, but still. I am getting nervous thinking about 45
fallen quarry
eh, I really don't believe it's intended to be done
fallen quarry
like, the last "the game gives you something as recognition"
in atm
it's really there though so you can choose your own demise though
throw into the mix how different weapons and aspects are, they have their own strengths and shortcomings
fallen quarry
you have a large impact on it, especially once you have access to rerolls
manic dune
not in my experience you don't
and on hell mode you get so few rerolls it's basically not a feature
fallen quarry
yeah, running with restricted darkness, not only are they more limited, you can't just grab and buy everything
manic dune
i can just grab and buy everything
wtf does darkness have to do with it
it's just bad rng
fallen quarry
you can reroll non boons into boons
manic dune
i can't grab something that doesn't exist
fallen quarry
limited darkness, you won't have that
manic dune
i haven't been able to reroll a single "non-boon" into a boon
what are you even on about
fallen quarry
I guess you'll figure it out if you stick with it
manic dune
stick with what?
fallen quarry
the game
jade estuary
can anyone recommend me which aspect to fully unlock
I've been playing with hera but I have some trouble with dionysus cast
fallen quarry
if you don't understand rerolling, and haven't done it much, it can be hard to grasp
fallen quarry
since you're playing on hellmode anyways, you won't have access to a lot of it, it's not rng that you picked hellmode, you signed up for it.
fallen quarry
yeah... because it's all or none... no middle ground...
fallen quarry
good night
manic dune
all i'm saying is the total amount of boons per run vary far too much
for a baseline run
nothing to do with hellmode or rerolls
if you have 2x more boons AND rerolls you'll still have more boons
than if you have 1x boons AND rerolls
i really don't think it's a difficult concept
Some things that have been bugging me is that chaos and infernal gates seem to delete boons if they get placed before a gold laurel
since you get an extra boon if they get placed before a silver one
turbid needle
Just met than: lost by two kills to him, what's the secret?
jade estuary
hades spear vs chiron bow vs hera bow vs guan yu vs. hestia rail
what's good to most easily beat the game?
can't decide which to upgrade first
versed ibex
@manic dune iirc money, hammers, hearts, and poms can all be rerolled into boons
basically the gold-laurel rooms. That's all non-permanent stuff. The blue laurels are permanent resources (nectar, keys, gems, darkness)
faint sonnet
So when/how can I gift Dusa? So far it's just been conversations without the opportunity to gift
Unless that's the natural progression which is cool
tawny ivy
do you mean because she's flying away after you talk to her? you might just need to gift her first, before talking, if that's the case 😅
tawny ivy
the legendary? you're further along than me then haha. i don't know... how many hearts on her codex entry? maybe it's quest time
this is just from what i've heard from other players, mind
mighty ermine
have you done any lounge renovation like cleaning up after Cerberus' mess? i believe that's a big part of getting Dusa to the point of ambrosia gifting
sudden crag
dumb question again, after giving than the 6 nectars and ambrosia do i have to give him more to unlock the scene? there are 3 more blank hearts in the codex
finite grail
He needs more ambrosia, that’s all that can be used for hearts past the arrow
manic dune
@versed ibex That's great but it has nothing to do with what i said
Even with the 10 rerolls on normal I doubt you can compensate if RNJesus doesn't like you
versed ibex
Ok but that's what they meant with "reroll for more boons"
finite grail
you can, reroll hearts etc and eventually you’ll get a boon
manic dune
A few extra yeah but you can get massive differences in boon to pom rations in different runs
sudden crag
alright thank u!!! Good thing i didn't use up all my ambrosia i have just enough 😭
versed ibex
You sounded like you didn't understand that poms could be rerolled
finite grail
that’s also just part of roguelikes unfortunately, rng
tall whale
anybody know where savegames are stored?
manic dune
@versed ibex At no point was I talking about rerolls
tall whale
nevermind found it
manic dune
@versed ibex It's not a point i brought up
versed ibex
🤷♀️ whatevs. Rerolls are a way to mitigate bad rng, is all
manic dune
You can easily get 10 total boon difference between runs
maybe even more
true or false?
twilit stag
is the Dusa summon just straight up garbage? I tried using her during boss fights and she did literally nothing, the bosses appeared to be completely unaffected by petrification
finite grail
That hasn’t been my experience with boons
manic dune
bosses are generally cc immune so probably yeah
mighty ermine
@twilit stag yeah, it's... not great against bosses, unfortunately
finite grail
Good against middle management tho
mighty ermine
i've used it against middle management giant gorgon head and skull-crusher before; my first time using the summon actually
didn't petrify anything
was pretty awful
finite grail
Oh really? I’ve used it on the barge I’m pretty sure but that’s a whole different animal
Good to know
tall whale
wooooo first clear!
atomic panther
Congratulations!
mighty ermine
nice!
turbid needle
congrats!!
tall whale
is all you really get just a titan blood
feels just a tad underwhelming
also, is there a priority order for the mirror upgrades?
teal laurel
depends on the build
livid comet
what's the skull symbol supposed to mean
karmic coyote
miniboss
unkempt pagoda
miniboss room
teal laurel
either that or elite enemies
unkempt pagoda
artemis would just be good all around
livid comet
well then it's probably minotaur
unkempt pagoda
nah, boon skulls are always minibosses
jade estuary
by far the easiest run
livid comet
chaos sheild
livid comet
easily chaos shield
jade estuary
i guess i gotta upgrade it
unkempt pagoda
yeah but is it fun
teal laurel
depends on what you find fun
i find chaos shield fun after
a struggle with nemesis/ zag sword
i can just turn off the brain
press the buttons
unkempt pagoda
the only time i have fun is when i step onto lava and die
unkempt pagoda
doing runs
timber turret
Best purchase ever i got this game yesterday and i love the chaos shield
waxen imp
@jade estuary
step 1: play shield
step 2: ???
step 3: profit
livid comet
step 2 is go ares and athena
marble ridge
step 1: play shield
step 2: Chaos aspect
step 3: profit
waxen imp
step 2.1: play brain power
teal laurel
and you realize you have 6 blood
and hades is asking form ercy
also yes
step 2.1 is optional
brain power
my is ayayaya 10 hour version
waxen imp
Oooooooo AAA E A A I A U
JOooooo AA E O A A U U A
Eeeeeeeee AA E A E I E A
JOooooo EE O A AA AAA
^ this is me playing shield
teal laurel
that's me with my daki
turbid needle
I GOT SO CLOSE THIS TIME
teal laurel
you can do it
turbid needle
i got to 33% hp left of second phase
teal laurel
RIP
timber turret
RIP good luck on your run
waxen imp
btw is there a difference between hell mode and the current save i have
i had this save before they added hell mode
timber turret
Isnt there a button to enable hell mode
waxen imp
you can only enable hell mode on new game
waxen imp
🤔
turbid needle
@timber turret i am kind of new, haven't played ina good while, i started a fresh file
karmic coyote
hellmode doesn't do much anyway it just limits your choice
turbid needle
but yeah, managed to fight Hades like 4 out of my 11 attempts
timber turret
Was it a shield run whenever you had to fight hades?
turbid needle
no
waxen imp
shield runs be like Oooooooo AAA E A A I A U JOooooo AA E O A A U U A
turbid needle
i have fought him with the gun, the bow, the spear twice
i do not favor the sword at ALL
timber turret
Yeah the sword feels strange
waxen imp
imagine a weapon that negates all dmg with almost no cooldown
turbid needle
but yeah, i'm used to hack and slash games and rogue likes
so i've found the game to be pretty fun!
timber turret
Wait how do you unlock the gun
turbid needle
unlock all the other weapons
timber turret
Ive had a few hack and slash games but this one is something special about it
Oh i just need to unlock the spear
turbid needle
i totally didn't grow up with every single dynasty warriors game
timber turret
Yoooo
I played one dynasty warrior game and i kinda got bored
Actually its been awhile ive played a hack and slash game
I saw vinny play hades and i wanted the game so badly i got jealous one of my friend was playing hades hahaha
manic dune
it's a rogue lite
olive sand
Hello. Is the game become harder as we keep trying to complete it? I'm new to it, still trying to complete it, and if I could go to ||Hades ||without loosing Death Defiance before, since a few run I can barely reach him (which should be the opposite, since I bought new upgrades each runs). Have I just a few bad runs? I'm starting to doubt of my skill to be enough to complete the game if he becomes even more harder. XD
teal laurel
not really
the game only becomes harder once you unlock pact of punishment
unless you're in hell mode
north hedge
Is it possible to do a spin strike with the spear without doing a normal attack first? Trying not to consume my Ares buff and use it on the disc but I can't seem to get it
reef galleon
@olive sand The only way Hades can "become harder" overall is managing the pact of punishment that becomes available after beating the game once.
olive sand
It's not only Hades, it's the whole run. But I guess it means I just had some bad luck or I played less good lately. Thanks for the answer. : )
ruby tundra
question - what's up with the little cinematic-y things that play at the beginning of some runs?
they'll have some kind of one-word description that shows up
quaint gale
just for flavor
ruby tundra
does anything trigger them or whatever?
quaint gale
it just happens randomly
ruby tundra
Thanks
tall whale
how good is fated authority?
proven igloo
Cold Fusion interaction with Theseus is pretty funny. He gets jolted for each attack the gods send down during that phase.
Melted
lament coral
@tall whale the wind up of world smasher is so fast that you can hold attack button and it'll block and attack, both
someone here said that they killed Hades by just holding attack
final fox
fated authority is great
dense star
Can believe it, World Smasher is real dumb
final fox
i use it mostly to reroll obols into other things like hearts or potentially boons
dense star
Good damage and it has I-frames for some reason
final fox
if you get a 1-exit room that leads into something you don't want, hey, you can reroll it
it's a way to help mitigate bad RNG
you can't reroll meta currencies into in-run benefits, though
so you can't reroll e.g. darkness into boons
blue laurel rewards are meta currency, yellow laurel rewards are run boosts, you can't switch between the two
boreal prism
is nectar meta, or in-run
dense star
Though if you see 3 blue laurel rewards, you can reroll the 4th into a nectar, which is pretty good if you have Premium Vintage or the +1 lvl to random boon upgrade
Since the blue pool is Darkness, Gems, Key, Nectar
final fox
nectar is meta
lament coral
boon levels > everything else
unless you don't get a god gift in the first room, you want the first door to be a key then
dense star
Yeah basically
pastel jolt
i made a guide to room rewards which is pinned in this channel
dense star
Cool
Guess for what it's worth, I don't think you can find more than 2 hammers in a run, and you don't ever get the 2nd hammer until Elysium? Not sure if it's worth noting in the reward summary though.
turbid needle
i think its possible to have up to 3 hammers overall but im not. sure
lament coral
I think you can get an extra hammer from Charon's level shops
turbid needle
i remember having a run the last week with 3 hammers? or maybe i was just distracted and thought i had more than 2
yeah
dense star
Interesting
lament coral
same with Hermes, I think
dense star
Think you can with hermes, yeah
Heh, had 50 runs so far and have never seen more than 2 hammers, that'l be interesting if you can get a 3rd
Might not be able to get more than 2 hermes boons from chamber rewards, but there's certainly always one at Styx shop
teal lance
I am positive i have gotten more than 2 hermes boons multiple times
hardy crow
You can get a third in Temple of Styx
teal lance
2 from chamber rewards & 1 from styx
hardy crow
Hey uh does anyone know if Light of Ixion stacks
lament coral
yes
dense star
Guessing it does like Yarn, yeah
lament coral
the gate will just appear in multiple eligible rooms in a row
hardy crow
I was just worried because I bought a second one and nothing new appeared under my boons area, and there was no change on the actual boon for Light of Ixion itself
lament coral
omg, kekos, u r so random!
hardy crow
Also hi beard, fancy running into you here
dense star
Heh, yeah
hardy crow
I see no reason getting two chaos boons could possibly go wrong in elysium
So I lived with 1 hp, but that's 1 more than enough really
teal lance
chaos boons are pretty good on guan yu aspect, dealing 225 dmg with max spin attack
teal lance
nice
I have only found 1 legendary boon so far 20 hours in, it was the poseidon 1 & with the zeus duo boon its pretty good
whole jungle
yea that is quite the combo
hardy crow
I think some of the most fun I have is the Cast bow hard hunting for any cast % damage amp/# casts and just stacking crit chance on artemis cast
Loading 8 casts into one shot and critting for a bajillion damage is very satisfying
Cast builds can be so fun
teal lance
oof that sounds fun
hardy crow
It's actually pretty reliable too
teal lance
I dont have access to much blood to buy aspects atm
teal lance
I just want to max out my guan yu spear
hardy crow
With bow for while you've got uh
Just the blade rift cast
It's kind of anti synergy
Because you shoot it at them and it just goes behind them instantly
whole jungle
oh yeah that doesnt sound good together lol
hardy crow
So it's like /shrug
If you do get hunting blades, it works wonders, just dropping 4/5 hunting blade rifts onto their face is insane damage
But it's just hard to get there with bow
I usually prefer artemis or aphrodite cast for bow cast builds
Festive fog can work well too
teal lance
does the cast get stuck in the opponent if u use it with bow?
novel python
Yep
Well depends on cast
If it's one that usually does
Then it still gets stuck.
If it something like Dio, it'll just linger on the ground
hardy crow
Yeah, the bow upgrades reduce the time they're stuck in the enemy
It's pretty important to upgrade it if you want to use it
Otherwise you're just kiting around with dash attacks waiting for it to unstick and you're doing very low damage lol
fierce iron
The Hera bow passive is essentially Quick Reload, which stacks with Quick Reload itself
pretty nice really
doesn't help much if you're using Festive Fog, but other stuff it'll work out
hardy crow
Yeah, I think Hera bow with exit wounds and quick reload is actually some of the highest dps you can get
Exit wounds is not balanced around those suckers popping out in like 4s
And if you have 7/8 of them, it's just really really high damage
Not counting the fact that you just hit them with 8 casts at once
teal lance
ive got 13 ambrosia with no clue what to use it for
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670570331693383705/unknown.png Pretty crappy RNG this run, should I even bother trying to go through? Hera with no Cast, only base one 😦
hardy crow
Take next boon rarity upgrade and pray you find a cast boon
teal lance
I never quit a run, i just kee on going
hardy crow
Don't give up skeleton
whole jungle
keep going till you die
hardy crow
What
novel python
Well that might be quite soon
whole jungle
no naughty words allowed
teal lance
how are u so low? I usually dont take a hit in asphodel chambers
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670570867259867136/unknown.png I would be sad to have to restart the run 😦
novel python
Well @teal lance I barely have any damage
hardy crow
That's the only thing I could think of that would trigger it lol
whole jungle
rip
novel python
Also 9 heat with barely any boons as you can see
proud storm
going into the final boss fight with 550 hp and all 3 DDs
novel python
And I got the murder boat 🙂
hardy crow
550? o.O
proud storm
no aphro
novel python
And Dem's nourish
proud storm
dem nourish doesnt work on hearts
novel python
Did you like
teal lance
dionysus's bonus hp on nectar?
proud storm
nope
novel python
Just rerolled everything for hp
proud storm
among other things
novel python
No boon run? 
proud storm
hang on
proud storm
novel python
That Darkness is juicy
novel python
What is the best time to use Battie in hydra fight? To trigger first phase or to hit as many heads as possible?
whole jungle
is 8 rerolls the highest you can get from the mirror
north hedge
Is there a way to tell which fish is biting, or just hook the first one
whole jungle
thats alot of darkness
novel python
if you don't pull it might run away
proud storm
depending on the quality of your catch you can catch one fish over another
teal lance
catch the fish when the hook goes into the water
whole jungle
when the ball thing goes all the way under water and their is a little sparkle
proud storm
normal catch get you common or rare fish
perfect catch get you rare or legendary fish
novel python
Wait there are catch types?
proud storm
yep
novel python
How can you tell
proud storm
perfect is when you catch the fish right as the hook goes underwater
fierce iron
Gotta time it just right for the perfect catch and it'll say Perfect Catch
hardy crow
Do you even get anything for fishing beyond the gemstones you get from the chef
proud storm
like imediately
proud storm
fish give different resources depending on biome
north hedge
Fish give different rewards based on biome
north hedge
chaos fish give blood/diamonds
proud storm
tartarus/styx fish give gemstones, asphodel fish give keys, elysium fish give nectar
proud storm
chaos fish give diamonds/titan blood/ambrosia but theyre incredibly rare
novel python
inb4 farming chaos gates
didnt they change that
So the clock stops
When you fish
hardy crow
Oh does it?
fierce iron
Yeah the clock stops now
hardy crow
Okay cool
proud storm
didnt pay attention
novel python
it's in the patch notes
hardy crow
Must've missed it
novel python
aight brb need to die to hydra
so use meg to skip to 1st phase or use her to kill the heads faster in 2nd phase?
proud storm
id say 2nd
novel python
skip 1st as in go straight to the heads fight
proud storm
1st phase is a breeze compared to the rest
teal lance
chaos gate or daedalus hammer? on guan yu
hardy crow
Hammer
fierce iron
You have quick spin yet?
teal lance
Im on tartarus, just started
hardy crow
I basically never skip hammers ever
They're too much of a power up
On any of the weapons
The only exception might be a cast build that barely uses your weapon, I guess, but even then I still find myself using it for hit stun and such
And just added dps
teal lance
just a question, is a rarity upgrade better than a lvl upgrade on boons? Incase i run across eurydice
hardy crow
Rarity upgrades are generally better yes
novel python
depends on your boons
novel python
^
hardy crow
Since the level up applies to more
novel python
Aight still no cast and I'm into elysium
Which keepsake would benefit me the most at the moment? Dio?
I wanted to go for artemis but she doesn't want to give me the cast
hardy crow
If you have a bunch of boons you actually use for their damage/stats go level, if you have a couple boons and the rest are utility I'd recommend rarity or next-boon rarity
I like aphrodite cast on hera
If you haven't already used
novel python
I have kept only artemis for 2 biomes
hoping for epic cast
Now I'm praying for Patro to appear
I'm DDless
teal lance
What is the best cast that sticks onto enemies?
full flame
define best
full flame
Aphro would be the highest damage that sticks into enemies, but it's close range
Artemis is long range and has tracking, and crit damage
hardy crow
Aphrodite is highest base damage, but Artermis is higher if you crit
And also more reliable
full flame
situation matters though
teal lance
hmm ok imma do some testing & see what i like
full flame
Aphro also gives you the weak debuff, and if you're up close, taking less damage is a good thing
hardy crow
Yeah, I think Aphro is best for Poseidon blade and Artemis is best for Hera bow, with other builds wanting different things
Blade rifts and festive fog don't stick but are both good, too
teal lance
I see myself missing them most of the time xd
full flame
athena dash is better, especially if you can get the Ares/Athena duo
novel python
I know about the dash but I was wondering about the attack
full flame
literally anything on attack
if you go Athena, you have some extra deflecting going on
if you go Aphro, you benefit from applying weak, taking less damage, it has higher base damage, and chance for Ares/Aphro duo, though that's completely useless if you have the Ares/Athena duo
could also have zeus on attack and go for Zeus/Ares revenge duo
mild crag
demeter or aphro for privileged status
novel python
Does world smasher break chaos shield
lament coral
why would it?
full flame
you get multi shields after a world smasher attack
mild crag
well nobody mentioned having exposed already 
lament coral
you still have bull rush, it's just super short
lament coral
instant, in fact
novel python
I guess it'll get rid of your block
lament coral
nope, it also blocks
lament coral
just hold attack button and see for yourself
full flame
if it blocks, it's only for a brief second
novel python
So I have a choice between explo return, world smasher or wallop
lament coral
hell's wallop?
full flame
you can't hold shield though
novel python
dashing wallop
I wanted to try world smasher but not sure
ALso the only boon ive got atm is the special lmfao
lament coral
take explo if you want something reliable, or smasher for something fun
full flame
i dunno if they changed it, but world smasher and the power attack was fun, bc every world smasher was a charged power attack
novel python
does smasher stack with double attack hammer?
full flame
no, i don't think you can use it as a dash attack
novel python
lmaooo that dash is short af
full flame
you already have Athena dash and Ares special?
full flame
i dunno, probably save rolls, and take athena keepsake next region?
novel python
That's what I was thinking
pray with me that I get at least something reliable from dem
full flame
in before it's a special replacement offering
full flame
definitely
full flame
yeah that helps a lot
novel python
dem ares duel ayy
full flame
an angry Ares in the small rooms in Tartarus is ridiculously oppressive
full flame
haha fun
full flame
legendary
novel python
but the call is good for crowds
full flame
legendary has more general value especially considering you can get any other god's call still
dense locust
Did they fix the fishing spot right at the beginning that I could never access ? It was behind that arch on the left
Or maybe that was just me
full flame
i never seemed to have a problem accessing it, were you trying before you killed the enemies?
dense locust
yeah i was
novel python
And you need to kill the enemies first
novel python
I could access it with ease
Aaaand I just escaped with 3 hp
legendary came in clutch
full flame
i think they added a message now if you try to clear up confusion
novel python
They did
dense locust
That's cool
dense locust
because it was the very beginning, it just never clicked
I usually just find them in the neutral zones
Does anyone know the details of Aspect of Hades for the Eternal Spear? It increases damage from attacks and and special but for how long
is it time based or number of attacks based
dense locust
Well in their details it specifies attacks and special
full flame
there will be an indicator on targets you hit with the spin
dense locust
anyone know the time?
dense locust
yeah it blinks very conveniently
Could be strong if you pulled it off while invulnerable
full flame
it helps to have the quick spin hammer upgrade
also, if you didn't know, you can charge spin and dash forward with it
dense locust
Definitely makes it more viable
I usually go the chuck-spears-and-run-away build with spear, but hitting a group with that would be juicy
novel python
Holy Shield vs Bronze Skin? Still no dash 😦
full flame
whichever is higher rarity i'd say
dense locust
Can anyone make a case for the starting Apect of Chaos or Aspect of Zeus?
novel python
I could also go for heroic special but I want ares
full flame
bronze skin probably more valuable in general
dense locust
I've struggled with both of them
full flame
Chaos is best aspect for shield
dense locust
Bonus shields bouncing around seems like it could be strong
full flame
it is
dense locust
Aspect of zeus seems like it requires incredible positioning and great synergy with boons
and then damage reduction is damage reduction
full flame
it's very good for clearing rooms, applying a debuff or damage to large amounts of enemies
if you don't get hit, damage reduction doesn't do anything
more damage helps you clear faster and not get hit
dense locust
true
novel python
should I still keep athena keepsake and pray for dash
dense locust
Ill give it a shot right now. Probably helps if its fully upgraded