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#h1-builds-and-combat
dusky drum
stray frigate
ok Guys it's 0:15 so i want to be ok tommorow at work( GL HF
lament coral
good thing their save backup system works flawlessly so far
cause every crash borks the save
stray frigate
32 heat runs for everyone
lament coral
rest in sleep
versed ibex
Is there a use for keys after you've unlocked everything in the mirror? Should I just exchange them for nectar? or are there better deals (... diamonds) sometimes?
versed ibex
oh, that's better than nectar
regal nimbus
https://media.giphy.com/media/kD0Vkd38qYihRVT3ZB/giphy.gif
i love the zeus shield
fierce iron
Now that's something I should try, chill on special
last time I did Zeus shield I had hangover on special
full flame
eh, the problem with zeus shield is that's not a very fun play style for most, passive/non-interactive damage while running away kiting enemies
long sierra
looks like dash hangover no?
full flame
generally, the most optimal use of zeus shield is the faster spam of recall with the explosion hammer, which also defeats the purpose of the ticking damage design of zeus
regal nimbus
dash hangover and chill special indeed
@full flame tahts not entirely true, you can also just go up close or hit them from the distant depending on the weapon u have
but its nice that you have the option to kite like this vs enemies you dont want to face up close
full flame
eh, feel like it's still too clunky without enough control for that
can still kite with other shields and just throw the special back repeatedly
regal nimbus
thing is
full flame
without losing effectiveness in other areas
regal nimbus
you only get the "feel" of the shield after like 15 runs
first few runs my shield was just floating somewhere and i had no idea what to do
or where it was
but afetr playing some runs you get better at it
full flame
i understand that, i've used it quite a bit
it's just not nearly as effective as Chaos
fierce iron
I'd still like for there to be a mini-tether connected to your Blitz Shield to keep track of it, but that's just me
probably wouldn't happen
full flame
or again, best use is with exploding recall, which rather defeats the overall design intent of the aspect
regal nimbus
can still kite with other shields and just throw the special back repeatedly"
True but if you want to apply AOE damage/status then you need to either have a certain weapon upgrade or play chaos where you need to bull rush first
i mean
im not saying its the best aspect
probably not
but i like it
@fierce iron yeah same
in a crowded room you just cant follow it
fierce iron
For real, lol
lament coral
I'd like for all aspects to be best though
fierce iron
the boost to the damage tick rate is welcome though
lament coral
they could've just made it home in on enemies
full flame
that would be too strong
full flame
it might help to have a shorter release, or an additional mid-click that you can stop it at a desired location
i dunno
lament coral
too many buttons for something that can be solved with homing
because that's the issue, innit?
it just misses enemies
it's kinda like Demeter cast
full flame
homing still takes control/agency away from player
maybe continued clicks of recall change the trajectory more directly to the player as they're moving
lament coral
don't like the target? Recall and throw it at a different dude
full flame
so that it's not as slow of a turn radius when tracking the player
i dunno, just feels awkward when you're trying to clear fast, and i do feel like homing is not the answer
especially for a weapon that is generally already stronger/easier than others
bc of the defense capability
fierce iron
Could give the Blitz Shield another mechanic where Bull Rushing into it causes a bigger AoE of damage to proc or something, but Idk. Might be too gimmicky.
lament coral
stronger? easier? Than what?
because when it comes to shields, Chaos is an untouchable king
Zag doesn't do anything, at all
the other weapons have at least a couple of aspects that are comparable in terms of power
novel python
Honestly what I hate about chaos shield ( or any shield for that matter ) is that until your special comes back you can't attack.
And chaos having multiple copies
It's really easy to miss the original
lament coral
keep dashing and hold attack
naive cobalt
At least one chaos shield will always fly towards the target you aim at
lament coral
time your release to be at point blank so your primary shield, which always flies out from Zag's front, comes back instantly
alternatively, pick up world breaker hammer
and just hold attack button to win the game
naive cobalt
I feel like Chaos shield has this secret effect where you are nearly guaranteed to never encounter Ares' special boon.
novel python
I'm dieing
lament coral
did you start with Ares' keepsake?
lusty gust
I always have the worst shield runs ever
novel python
Zag asks Dusa about her true body from when she was alive and she just brushes him off and flies away
😂
lament coral
well, brushing is her job
naive cobalt
On very many Chaos shield attempts I have started with his keepsake, and rarely encountered his special boon until like Elysium, or Styx, if at all.
But on Zeus shield runs, I almost always find Zeus special very early on, so the luck balances out
novel python
My last rail run only had attack and special
And some random passive boons
no cast no dash no call
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670344669787324436/unknown.png still managed to win
novel python
Took it just for the aoe
also
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670385886621597706/unknown.png whaaaaaaaat
fierce iron
Dang
inland hawk
how do I unlock the 4th spear aspect?
lament coral
is this even good?
burnt rune
@inland hawk have a bunch of aspects unlocked and do runs until Achilles calls you
inland hawk
on the spear or on all weapons?
fierce iron
Most of the Quick Reloads I've found are usually 6~ seconds at most, only lesser with Hera
burnt rune
all weapons, not sure if we know the exact number required
sharp quiver
what the
lament coral
does Hera affect Quick Reload?
burnt rune
and yeah, that quick reload is insane
sharp quiver
hunter's mark lv2 has +71 bonus crit chance
fierce iron
Yeah it does Zepp
lament coral
so what would that epic 2.86 QR would look like with a maxed Hera?
fallow niche
Imagine having that and the return boon from Hermes on the Festive Fog nuke builds 
you'd be an orbital cannon
fierce iron
I don't even know what the drop time would be with the two combined, lol
you'd get them back pretty fast
lament coral
oh, that is with Hera
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670387871529828372/unknown.png sadly the game trolls me 😦
And I have EM on
gg
lament coral
yikes
fierce iron
Welp
novel python
Welp costed me a DD
but finaly got through
Oh guess what
Still no boons and I need to do barge of death
At 9 heat
With only special and call
Should I just give up and restart
hearty owl
why cant i gift ambrosia to thanatos and meg and dusa and the rock guy ? i gave them the required nectar ?
hollow sorrel
You know, if the game is going to continue to sometimes starve us of the main boons (e.g. attack/special), then it would be great if all the boon percentages would be lowered, so that it's not such a massive gap between not having a main boon, and having even a mediocre boon
hollow sorrel
It really just encourages people to do start scumming, so that at least their first boon could carry them through the game.
prime berry
Changing the weights for boons early on can help this but they are already common for me. Might be just RNG or low tolerance from you as a player@hollow sorrel
@hearty owl you need more converations/story developments first
hearty owl
thanks
versed ibex
ooof. I stupidly took a Chaos boon that was "damage on special" right before the ex Hydra fight 😭 I wasted two death defiances right there
lament coral
I proposed having the first god gift you take always offer attack/special/cast
this just seems sensible to me
neither dash nor call matter at the start, with minor exceptions
so minor that they don't matter
wind vale
are the new hazard bomb and cluster bomb exclusive with anything? specifically eris gun or triple bomb - asking before i go for a hopeless chase
wind vale
thats good to know
junior shuttle
ok with fishing there shouldnt be a possible way to stand in the way of the fishing bobble, cause i just lost a fish cause zag's fatass was in the way
lament coral
he means he couldn't see the thing
wind vale
ah
lament coral
because Zag was in front of it
wind vale
i think technically it possible to go by sound but thats a special hard mode
azure wraith
so can the hp return for cursed sword be modified by things like nourished soul?
lament coral
probably not, same way Guan Yu's HP gain cannot be increased
azure wraith
hmm makes sense, ty
slender basin
does anyone know what Dusa's companion does? I imagine its damage and stun
lament coral
yes, it works like enemy dusas, shoots projectiles that petrify
pallid dagger
god i am really feeling that chaos shield nerf
guhhhhh
let me have my op stuff. i worked hard for all of that titan blood!
lament coral
it's still strong, dude
pallid dagger
the multi-shield throw only activates after a bull rush. if i just bull rushed, i'm probably facing enemies i want dead, not aiming for the center of several randos.
junior shuttle
by some magic im on the 3rd floor with heat five and only 2 boons
inner inlet
how do you get that far only picking up 2 boons?
junior shuttle
373 life
dense star
Ooops all hp ups?
junior shuttle
enemies are 50 percent faster
yes
i have a hermes boon a daedalus hammer and a poseidon
dense star
How's that playing out?
fallow niche
its free real estate health
junior shuttle
im dying inside
fallow niche
LMAO
junior shuttle
no damage
fallow niche
I once had a run that was so terribly boring I wanted to just end it
dense star
Maybe a bit on the outside too
fallow niche
I was incredibly tanky, by far the tankiest build I have ever had
But no offense at all
I never found offensive boons
dense star
Yeah, all tank no attack/special boon is pain
fallow niche
So near the end of Elysium I just tried to die
Stood in front of arrows
The wall traps
Got hit by all enemies
it took them over a solid minute to kill me
worst experience ever
livid comet
@fallow niche beat Hades again with Chiron aspect on the bow. Similar build, ares-athena-artemis
fallow niche
Nice!
Chiron is also good with artemis on the special and aphrodite on the attack
incredible synergy with their duo boon
livid comet
Chiron just seems good in general
fallow niche
Assuming you get it all together, then getting athena dash and art/ath duo as well puts that build over the TOP
And yeah it is
fierce iron
Chiron's pretty nice
livid comet
Yeah, Chiron + Athena dash, go hard on the atk/special
fierce iron
kinda rough at base level but pump it up a bit and you're good
livid comet
I also managed to grab extra missiles from Daedalus on the special both runs
inner inlet
i just lost my 50 winstreak at 12 heat and boy am i salty rn
livid comet
oof
inner inlet
i got killed
livid comet
yeah I've only done it on one heat so far
inner inlet
by a satyr stepping on a trap
and the axe one-shot me bc of the trap heat modifier
this happened twice in the same room
livid comet
oof, Styx is easily the biggest run killer out there
and theseus
ooop
screw theseus
inner inlet
thesues is hard initially but I feel like once you get his patterns down he's a bit of a pushover
i'm much more scared of asterius
inner inlet
which is a bit of an issue for me, as the fight's basically over once I get the minotaur down, and I wish it was more of a challenge
livid comet
weird.
inner inlet
asterius has the ability to turn on a dime while sprinting and then slam you for 30 damage and boy does that feel bad
livid comet
how're you dealing with Theseus that you find him easy? He blocks everything and when you try to circle around he does the stupid spinny attack with the spear that deals a ton of damage
inner inlet
dodge spear, get in, repeat
livid comet
Oh. I just dash through asterius's dash
inner inlet
some casts also avoid the shield
livid comet
Literally double dash through asterius and keep repeating that and slowly lead him to a pillar
inner inlet
yeah you can dash through asterius sprint but extreme measures asterius will just turn and nail you for it regardless
livid comet
he'll run into it and end he attack
inner inlet
he's still avoidable but i'm just bad
livid comet
oooh. I haven't tried extreme measures at all yet lmao
inner inlet
yeah I know to get him on a pillar sometimes I'm just in a bad position or theseus is forcing my movement to be erratic
livid comet
yeah
inner inlet
i love extreme measures just bc it adds a lot of pizzaz to the boss fights
turns them from kind of a stomp to really challenging
livid comet
Iunno man they're pretty challenging as is for me
I still can't figure out Alecto
easily the worst of the furies
livid comet
Tisiphone? just avoid her stun and three hit combo
unless you're talking about extreme measures
it's annoying if she does her projectiles I'll give you that
hard without any deflect
inner inlet
extreme measures makes it harder to avoid lol
livid comet
man
inner inlet
i haven't done normal bosses in a fat minute
livid comet
I'm just barely getting to heat atm
inner inlet
i also haven't encountered alecto in forever so that could also be it
livid comet
hold on.
So I finished the run with the bow for the first time yesterday but it was also on one heat
does that mean I don't get anything for the zero heat bow completion now?
because that would suck
fierce iron
Sadly it does
livid comet
nooooo
I missed out on a titans blood
:(
oh well I guess I'll just buy it off trader when it pops up
fierce iron
Yeah, always a possibility
inner inlet
no, you don't ever miss rewards
i don't think
you can't go back to lower heats for rewards, but if you skipped a heat level (skipped from 2 to 4, let's say) then your first 4 run will get the level 3 rewards, and the next 4 run will get the level 4 rewards
i'm pretty sure that's how it works but not 100% on that
livid comet
I only got one titans blood for beating Hades tho
vale sphinx
Yeah I think that’s how that works?
fierce iron
I've died to the last boss on 0 heat, completed a run on 1 heat, and have to runback on 0 heat to get the last titan blood
vale sphinx
Hm
inner inlet
I've never skipped a heat bc I like the slow progression but I can try it to test
I've completed all my 0 heats tho so can't try that
junior shuttle
ahh yes 473 max life run
fierce iron
Yeah as-is right now, I'm just raising my heat level one at a time per weapon
vale sphinx
@junior shuttle how many defiances left?
junior shuttle
1 left
livid comet
hm....
vale sphinx
On an unrelated note, does anyone know if it’s actually possible to get 100% damage reduction via a combination of boons, god mode, Zagreus aspect shield, etc? For purely educational purposes...
junior shuttle
@inner inlet ohh i would have done thjat if the game didnt only give health
inner inlet
no fated authorities? no multi-choice rooms for boons? nothing?
that's so, so funny
enjoy your THICC ZAGREUS run
dense star
Hmm, good for me to note, Extreme Measures Hyrda is horrifying 
vale sphinx
I don’t think there is a limit, I got a save where all I did was dying for a few hours, got to 70%+ before I got bored?
inner inlet
Extreme Measures Hydra takes a life from me at least half the time (but I do have Heightened Security on so lava is ouch)
inner inlet
it scales so fast
and there's so little ground and so much not-ground
that my cowardly 'dash away whenever the hydra so much as looks at me funny' strat just leaves me spending both my dashes to end up slightly next to the platform and I take 30 damage and cry
fallow niche
@stone birch @vale sphinx 80% is the limit
vale sphinx
Lol I was close
pastel jolt
uh, idk if this got an answer but
vale sphinx
As in, for god mode or reduction in general @fallow niche ?
pastel jolt
0 heat runs are rewarded spearately to heated runs
fallow niche
God mode @vale sphinx
pastel jolt
you could do a run on 1 heat, get all the rewards, and be able to go back for the 0 heat stuff
fallow niche
It doesn't stack linearly with other DR% though
vale sphinx
:c
fallow niche
So you can't get 100%
vale sphinx
I was hoping to break game
vale sphinx
I mean, at least Zagreus aspect shield wording sounds like it should go linearly
But anyway
fierce iron
Yep
lean badger
awww they fixed the problem where the fishing spots spawned often in the temple of Styx
I caught so much there 
dense star
'Problem'
fallow niche
Don't you get the pact from beating the game once?
inner inlet
yeah I thought that's how heat/0 heat works
well you get the pact after beating it with one weapon
could have gone to heat 1 with a weapon that hadn't yet beaten heat 0
livid comet
YEP
I beat it with shield
Then got the pact
beat it with bow for the first time on 1 heat
fallow niche
Nice!
Also check up the fated list from the contractor btw
It has tons and tons of goodies
inner inlet
those goodies are so so worth it
livid comet
everything else is just get all the boons etc
fierce iron
The 10 titan blood one for sure worth
livid comet
ooooh
inner inlet
the 10 titan blood is a godsend
livid comet
what are the conditions for that?
inner inlet
it's literally a full level up of one aspect of a weapon
livid comet
so 5 levels is the max?
inner inlet
yee
fallow niche
Chiron is important to max
livid comet
iunno, I had a lot of trouble figuring out how to beat normal mobs with the bow
fallow niche
Chaos shield too
inner inlet
chaos shield feels worse after changes tho
livid comet
how does chaos shield even work tho
fallow niche
Its worse, but not by a big margin
inner inlet
hush
fierce iron
Chaos shield just gives you additional shields on shield throw after you bull rush
fierce iron
nothing too complicated if you know how shield works already
fallow niche
@livid comet You do a bull rush and the next time you special you throw out X shields in all directions around you
Where X is the level
fallow niche
You need to max its level with bloods
Its like Chiron where it scales heavily with level
inner inlet
yeah, they both make boons that upgrade specials absurdly powerful
livid comet
guess I'm pumping shield
fallow niche
If you release all the shields while right under the model of an enemy all the shields will hit that one enemy. Its real good.
Shotgun time.
fierce iron
At base level the Chaos shield seems to throw its 1 additional shield within your other shield
inner inlet
slap a dio (or be an idiot like me and crit-fish with artemis) onto it and you slay most enemies in one or two hits
fierce iron
but yeah you wanna upgrade that if you're gonna use it
inner inlet
chaos shield sucks at lvl 1, it's not good until you hit ~4 shields
fallow niche
Its actually super busted with Ares on the special
livid comet
so then also grab dread flight if that still applies to the Chaos aspect
fallow niche
You can clear entire rooms really easily
livid comet
yeah
fallow niche
Ares/Athena duo with it is
inner inlet
Forge10 I hadn't even considered that
livid comet
grab the other ares boon which lets you stack doom for extra damage
fallow niche
Alternatively you get Explosive Return and put Aphrodite on special and Ares on attack
fierce iron
Bouncing circles of death
livid comet
wdym. it's pretty much the main build I use
inner inlet
good god, ares/athena chiron/chaos aspect sounds awesome. how have I not thought of that
livid comet
thx to forge for the suggestion
fallow niche
Yes, its nuts @inner inlet
livid comet
it's the two main builds with which I've beaten the game...
radiant basin
tfw absolutely no death defiance from any well, no patroclus, no athena the entire run
livid comet
shoots your DPS through the roof
fallow niche
They're the most powerful builds I think atm, outside of really niche stuff that's harder to pull off
livid comet
ez use skelly tooth
inner inlet
skelly tooth is bad once you git gud
radiant basin
but im using butterfly 😭
inner inlet
it's better not to get hit at all
livid comet
lel
inner inlet
and kill them faster
atomic mist
Ares special doesn't really work on chiron though since it doesn't stack unless you have that one boon, and even then it's not that great
livid comet
dude what
fallow niche
Specifically with the duo boon
inner inlet
if you DO have that duo boon it's awesome
fallow niche
yeah
inner inlet
it's triggers the doom 7 times
livid comet
Ares on attack, Artemis on special with chiron
fallow niche
Well not quite that many @inner inlet
atomic mist
Wait what duo boon? Aphro/Ares?
fallow niche
Ath/Ares
livid comet
ares/ath
fallow niche
Deflect damage procs Doom instantly
atomic mist
Oh hmm
inner inlet
idk man i haven't used it properly and i'm also dumb
fallow niche
So if you dash on them while special'ing you proc doom a ton
Its better on the shield than Chiron though
livid comet
yup
atomic mist
I hadn't even thought about that. Wow
livid comet
Chiron seems to work well with crit build
stone birch
is that how it works
fallow niche
But Ath/Ares is good on all weapons, its probably the best beginner build imho
stone birch
i thought it just applied doom lol
livid comet
yup
inner inlet
crit-fishing is what I always end up going for
fallow niche
And yes Chiron is best as crit with Aphro/Artemis
inner inlet
athena is my fav goddess
livid comet
no, it procs doom as soon as you deflect dash
inner inlet
artemis I mean
inner inlet
I welcome it
fallow niche
@stone birch It instantly deals the Doom damage when they get Deflect damage on them (or an attack is deflected). Its only 60 damage, but that is impacted by Impending doom, so you can deal like instances of 120 damage
livid comet
wow
inner inlet
@regal nimbus me running away from my problems
regal nimbus
xD
stone birch
ah nice
regal nimbus
i've tried a few times to get it but charged special is prob. disabled for the zeus shield?
fallow niche
I would assume so too
There are other builds that are equally as powerful but harder to pull off totally imho @livid comet
Pure Artemis Poseidon sword is also ridiculously powerful, but its harder to utilize
Hunting Blades is.... something else man
Hera bow with Festive Fog duos
Flurry zag spear with zeus
And rail has a few nutso builds
livid comet
Hm.
inner inlet
triple bomb makes any special modifier good
fallow niche
Rail is probably the most powerful weapon overall, past the specific Chaos aspect shield
If you can learn how to use it well
inner inlet
rail with zeus mostly, poseidon attack, and their duo?
fallow niche
Probably rewards learning the weapon the most
livid comet
Actually is spear much good? Any recommendations?
fallow niche
Spear is harder to utilize, but i really like Zag aspect spear
inner inlet
not a fan of the spear at all, prob my least fav weapon
my go-to is achilles, though zag is still really good
fallow niche
Go for an early hammer if possible and hope to get either flurry or explosive launcher upgrade and that will decide your build on the Zag spear @livid comet
If you get flurry, get Zeus on attack ASAP
If launcher, get Aphrodite, or Artemis if can't
I've had more than a few 13 minute Zag spear runs
inner inlet
explosive shot is gone I thought? maybe misinterpreting something else but I thought patch notes said it was replaced
fierce iron
It got patched back in
inner inlet
ah
fierce iron
though the stagger is now a slow
fierce iron
Ye
fallow niche
Spread + Explosive = MY SCREEN IS ON FIRE
Its so fun to just boomstick everything away
inner inlet
yeah rail is definitely my favorite weapon
fallow niche
Just had an Eris Rail run where I had that and Hades went down in seconds until he damage gated each time
inner inlet
i'm a simple monkey with a simple monkey brain so I prefer Hestia aspect
inner inlet
not as much late game potential but it's just too satisfying to pass up one-shot killing everything in tarterus
fallow niche
Chinese dude posted his 32 heat run with Hestia rail and he got totally shafted with RNG the entire run and he made it look like it was easy despite that
inner inlet
treating your machine gun like a single-shot rifle
fallow niche
Rail has such a high skill ceiling
inner inlet
32 heat jfc
fallow niche
I did a Hestia aspect 32 heat run but it didn't go nearly as cleanly as his
tall whale
oh yea, i'm not very far into the game, but so far the bow and the blaster both feel super similar
like they don't really have a unique identity
fallow niche
https://i.imgur.com/uRFNG4J.png @inner inlet
tall whale
they both feel like just ranged weapons, only difference being bow has a bit better burst and rail has a bit better sustain
fallow niche
@tall whale Blaster?
tall whale
the rail
fallow niche
Oh god they feel ridiculously different
tall whale
fang repeater
inner inlet
they're so different to me
fallow niche
They don't play anything alike honestly
tall whale
maybe i'm just used to the bow from bastion where you can move while charging
atomic mist
106 streak, wow.
tall whale
ngl only being able tto take one weapon threw me off so much
fierce iron
tbh Fang Repeater made me really want to hurry and unlock Rail, lol
inner inlet
also @fallow niche I now feel woefully incompetent that's so good
bastion slaps, awesome game
fierce iron
It's been years since I played Bastion, but Fang Repeater was like my mainstay ranged weapon
atomic mist
I tried 32 heat twice. Didn't make it out of Tartarus
fallow niche
Also, Especially after using the non-basic bow aspect, the Chiron and Hera bows play insanely different from anything Rail does @tall whale
inner inlet
bruh I'm here rage-quitting over losing a 50 in heat 12 and you're casually knocking out 32 on a 100+ streak
tall whale
oh, yea i'm only on basic aspects rn
inner inlet
tha'ts prob part of it
fallow niche
yeah thats it
tall whale
so i'm at just first impressions phase
fallow niche
when you unlock more they all feel different
There is a whoooole lot of content you haven't tasted yet friend!
tall whale
as far as base weapons go i'm really liking the shield
fallow niche
Hades is a big game
inner inlet
the aspects add a ton of variety
fallow niche
As far as base weapons go, shield is best imho
tall whale
i feel like they should add some offensive block to the shield though
inner inlet
it was my first successful fun
tall whale
like perfect block stuff
fallow niche
Doesn't Bullrush technically turn your block into an attack and gap closer?
tall whale
technically, but i'd like to see some reward for timed blocks
fallow niche
You can get a hammer upgrade that gets it a powershot like the bow too
inner inlet
bullrush is like my favorite mechanic in the game
tall whale
yea the bull rush powershot feels amazing
inner inlet
tabstop that's a really good idea actually
fallow niche
Oh that's reserved for Athena's deflect boons @tall whale
inner inlet
nevermind it's in the game
tall whale
no, like different from deflect boons
inner inlet
nevermind it's not in the game
fallow niche
@inner inlet play chaos shield then, all you do is bullrush into special into bullrush into special everywhere
fierce iron
World Smasher with power shot so I don't have to think about charging it perfectly
tall whale
like having a perfect block increases the damage of your next hit or something
tall whale
b/c rn there's no real incentive to time your blocks
fallow niche
Add that to feedback then!
They may add that
They just added a ton of new hammer upgrades
Most of which suck lmaoooo
fierce iron
Perfect block would be interesting to have I'd say
tall whale
i'm not sure if it's already been suggested though >_<
inner inlet
i'd miss it every time
tall whale
didn't want to add duplicates
inner inlet
but I'd still try
tall whale
i did a perfect run of the shield trial in bastion
inner inlet
nah go ahead and add it, worst case is it gets deleted
tall whale
i love timed block
fallow niche
I struggle with fine motor skills and I have hand injuries I never fully recovered from
So powershotting feels impossible to me
tall whale
mirror shield made a return as the athena call anyways
i kinda wanna see a ranged weapon that can fire while moving too
tall whale
isn't rail dash attack just 1 shot? that can then be followed by normal firing
fierce iron
Yeah it's two when you dash attack
tall whale
and dash attack > fire gave me 4 shots total
fallow niche
👀
tall whale
so 1 shot + the 3-round burst
fierce iron
Yep that happens too
fierce iron
plus if you keep dashing you can just keep blasting away
tall whale
yea, the 3-round burst feels super nice
fallow niche
Though the dash attack on the spread fire rail is absurd
tall whale
since infinite ammo
fallow niche
Esp if you got explosive rounds
tall whale
you just hold down m1 and dash around for just continuous fire
fallow niche
My screen lights up and I can't see anything. As it should be.
tall whale
feels like bow dancing in mhw
fierce iron
I had Delta Chamber with Zeus attack and 5 dashes, pretty goofy
tall whale
i think one of my favorite combos might be flurry mod + support fire
not necessarily effective but super fun to watch
tall whale
it's effectively +100% damage, so yea
livid comet
Hestia bestia memes abound
fierce iron
I posted it earlier today, but I had a Poseidon aspect run with flurry attack, Artemis cast, Dual Shot, Support Fire
I just love the arrow effects from Support Fire when you can hit fast
inner inlet
it both feels powerful and satisfying
fallow niche
Yup
tall whale
also i think it procs on every enemy hit?
inner inlet
another reason artemis is best goddess
tall whale
so hitting 3 enemies w/ 1 attack means 3 arrows
athena is best goddess simply b/c i love deflect
inner inlet
it deserved the nerf but I miss it all the same
fierce iron
Well they nerfed it, but buffed back up recently iirc
tall whale
playing without any deflect boons feels so bad
inner inlet
deflect dash gang
fierce iron
Ah okay
fallow niche
Poms scale linearly now
solid cairn
Thoughts on new zag spear?
fallow niche
Good
inner inlet
it's good
solid cairn
25% damage though
fallow niche
125% slower though
solid cairn
So it’s technically worse for crits
inner inlet
i'm not a fan of the loss of life, too much of a coward
tall whale
also does anyone know if the dr from aspect of zagreus on shield stacks additively or multiplicatively w/ god mode?
livid comet
not a fan of spear
fallow niche
The build ever changed for either Zeus Flurry OR Explosive Launcher
all other spear builds are inferior for Zag
inner inlet
yeah less stronger attacks tend to be better for crits than many weak ones
no point in hitting a crit if it's multiplying 10 damage
tall whale
spear in bastion was just long-range, hard-hitting, kinda slow
inner inlet
even if you hit a lot, it's not as much as hitting one 600 damage attack
livid comet
spear is a thrust vattack in melee where sweep attacks seen to work better
tall whale
i kinda feel some continuity of weapon identity from bastion, but there's still new things, which i like
fallow niche
Yeah it's great
tall whale
base rail is literally just fang repeater + mortar though
livid comet
Hades feels like a perfect mashup of all their previous games tbh
fallow niche
Weps
solid cairn
Oh I’m thinking of flat damage not crits being better on fast weapons
inner inlet
flurry spear is the only way to make me like the spear tbh
fallow niche
Flurry spear super fun
tall whale
flurry spear + support fire = a screenful of arrows
livid comet
sweep attacks are super good tho? sword and shield both
fallow niche
After trying it many times it's just not good
inner inlet
you talking the dash attack hits 3 times but you lose dash distance hammer mod?
solid cairn
I love sword but it’s basic moveset isn’t good
inner inlet
you lose too much from that hammer
fallow niche
Yeah
inner inlet
mobility is key
fierce iron
Blitz just slowly goes out from where you throw it up to a point, then returns to you.
livid comet
I'm talking about basic attacks
fierce iron
It constantly deals damage though
solid cairn
World splitter is your best bet and it’s not a sweeping attack @livid comet
tall whale
@fierce iron so kinda like a blade rift?
fierce iron
Yeah kinda
solid cairn
Oh
fierce iron
It doesn't hit nearly as fast as a blade rift, but it hits harder
solid cairn
Guys should I get guan yu
inner inlet
guan yu is very, very different
livid comet
get it, try it, quit if you don't like it
inner inlet
and it's horrifically weak on its first few levels
tall whale
does it not save?
inner inlet
it saves every time you leave a room
tall whale
oh wait there should be a way to test weapon aspects in early-game so you know what you're upgrading to
like a "try it out" button that lets you hit skelly with it at max rank
inner inlet
that's also a good feedback idea haha
fierce iron
Game autosaves when you transition rooms
but yeah, being able to test that without worry might be useful
livid comet
Chuck it into feedback @tall whale
like I was looking for footage of the attacks
similar to how it's done in shadow of Mordor
inner inlet
^^^
tall whale
i put it in feedback
inner inlet
yeah i thought blitz disc was going to be very different from what it actually was
solid cairn
I have
tall whale
it's less a gameplay thing and more a npe thing
livid comet
I had the thought when I was looking at aspects to unlock but forgot. thanks for the reminder
solid cairn
People were like “just quit out”
tall whale
which isn't really intuitive
solid cairn
I shouldn’t have to
inner inlet
agreed
tall whale
game also never says that it autosaves whenever you leave a room
fierce iron
I would agree
all you see is the Hades logo pop up in the top right and that's about it
pause menu will tell you when it saved last
livid comet
the autosave symbol pops up
fierce iron
but you shouldn't have to back out and back in to test this kind of thing
tall whale
i've never noticed the save symbol lol
inner inlet
it shows up every room
a bit hard to notice, but I think it also tells you in one of the menus or something
i've def seen it written somewhere but idk where
livid comet
it's the head of Hades' spear
inner inlet
it's hades' beard
grand idol
Have trove trials been nerfed?
solid cairn
Wait other people realize Athena’s enemies she sends at you in the 2 boon rooms are broken?
grand idol
I seem to come across trove trials that spawn a billion enemies
Cancel that
I got jury summons
fierce iron
That'll do it, lol
grand idol
And yeah, Athena's enemies in 2boon rooms are bonkers dude
grand idol
I never take her second simply because I don't want to deal with the impervious mobs
inner inlet
impervious exploding enemies are very annoying in a physical only build
livid comet
I always went for annoying her over the other
fierce iron
Shielded mobs are deadly, especially when they're like Chariots or Flame Wheels
or greatshield shades
livid comet
then just avoid trial of the gods where you can't handle it
last dawn
Good lord, world smasher hammer upgrade for shield makes chaos shield so much better 😮
livid comet
it's part of the game imo
fierce iron
Yeah I don't know if I'd change Athena's enemy modifiers, but it'll definitely make people choose the other option first
like that one and Ares' are pretty brutal at times
livid comet
it's a risk Vs reward thing
solid cairn
I feel like it barely matters who you pick first
last dawn
I always feel like athena is a really hard one to face in those dual trials
last dawn
Shoot, there's my problem
fierce iron
If you've got additional enemies as a Pact or Chaos modifier, you might not have the luxury, lol
I can only imagine the nightmare that would ensue
alpine ivy
what weapon is good for zeus build?
alpine ivy
i see
fierce iron
I kinda like using stuff with fast attacks with Zeus
slapping Zeus attack on rail usually works
as long as you get the boon for jolt later, think about anything could work
grand idol
Melee feels bad this patch for some reason
snow tangle
I would've said with Demeter, melee is more viable than ever
it becomes really easy to telegraph attacks and just dash away
rugged estuary
Oh wow.
Either my reactions suddenly went to the gutter or forced overtime is way worse than I thought.
I am getting absolutely destroyed all of a sudden.
last nacelle
cluster bomb is a little janky.
livid comet
I also have athena special
so cluster bomb might have been pretty fun
for the deflect
dense star
Guess deflecting cluster bomb could be fun in the name of jank
rugged estuary
I dislike cluster bomb
dense star
Haven't used cluster bomb much, but I do feel like it's just an extremely weaker Triple Bomb. Admittedly Triple Bomb is massive damage, but still
Might be cute if you're just trying to put weak on a lot of things
last nacelle
What is the lost damage on cluster bomb again?
tough echo
Morning (or evening).
Besides the wiki at gamepedia, and regarding the requirements to get the legendary/duo boons, where else can I find the list of required boons in order to get those tier 3 boons?
livid comet
question
dreamy oxide
i think someone on reddit was working on a chart, but it's been a couple of weeks since i was personally on the reddit looking at it
livid comet
can you save mid-run in Hades?
dreamy oxide
the wiki has always been my best resource
i think as long as you wait to quit after you have finished combat in the room, you can? like the button says 'quit' instead of 'give up'? but i personally haven't done that
sp o
er
livid comet
yeah
dreamy oxide
so i'm not 100%
unkempt pagoda
the game auto-saves at the beginning of a room and the end of combat (i think when the next rooms are unlocked)
unkempt pagoda
if you take damage, or are in the middle of picking a boon, the quit button changes to give-up
which dumps you back at skelly's place
livid comet
yeah minus all the rewards you've earned I would assume
pastel jolt
nope, if you change the weapon it stays the same too
full flame
the only thing that changes if you change weapon are some hammer boons, since some are not compatible with certain aspects
livid comet
wow so you could give up, change to a better weapon and then go back in
pallid dagger
you know, i still don't like the guan yu spear all that much
but i will admit one thing
it made dusa's keepsake invaluable
unkempt pagoda
yep, but the rng is still branching
full flame
yes, but actions during the run alter the seed though
livid comet
right
unkempt pagoda
i.e. if you take different rooms, your run will functionally be different
full flame
using your cast changes things up too
livid comet
huh.
unkempt pagoda
and there are ways to manipulate rng if you're game-savvy enough
wait
i meant different
ignore that
rugged estuary
Wow I just crit for 1500 with the hestia rail 😄
full flame
this was my highest hestia rail crit I think - https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/766109947402778825/6CA79D74FB5B67D2DA203F56304521469E55C2A7/
rugged estuary
wow, that's nuts
livid comet
mamma mia
full flame
that was also before the update
some of those boons' stats might be different now
or was it? 21st? was that the day of the update?
rugged estuary
yes
fallow niche
just had the LONGEST tartarus I have ever seen holy crap
versed ibex
does anybody know what the pre-req abilities are for Demeter/Artemis duo? The demeter cast and which of Artemis's abilities?
fallow niche
32 heat and WOW I was almost out of time by the time I got to meg
got the absolute max rooms + spawns I feel like
@versed ibex probably her attack/special
and call
most duos are about those
versed ibex
ok, I'll give it a try. I hate the Demeter cast so much though 😭
livid comet
Demeter is a weird build
boreal prism
ive seen a lot of love for the demeter cast
solid cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/670449734078431293/unknown.png great run to get me back into the game after a short break because of my frustration from day 1 long winter update being garbage
solid cairn
I was 4 coins off of a diamond
full flame
usually spend most of the gold
solid cairn
rip
full flame
rip lol
snow tangle
Ravenous will 💦
north hedge
Is Guan Yu's Blade Rift/Spin Strike thing not supposed to launch [Lightning Strike] Projectiles or is this a bug I should submit
north hedge
oh, shame
fallow niche
zeus boons are poopoo except on a few weapons
mild crag
Works like that for everything which hits more than once with Zeus stuff
teal laurel
did they revert zagreus spear back to special?
fallow niche
Zeus + flurry hammer
unkempt pagoda
quick spin + massive spin
fallow niche
Not even close
teal laurel
unless its guanyu
fallow niche
Yeah its trash
total garbo
second best zag spear build is explosive launcher
either aphrodite or artemis attack
special, rather
teal laurel
so basically special is the way to go for spear builds?
I wish guan yu special has a gimmick as well
full flame
quick spin + serrated is pretty awesome on Guan Yu
unkempt pagoda
it does
fallow niche
@teal laurel No, the best spear build is actually the Zeus attack + flurry one for Zag spear
unkempt pagoda
special deals area damage on its path, and doesn't need to be returned
fallow niche
The second best build is explosive launcher
And Guan Yu special has a cool effect but its really slow and doesn't do the DPS of Zag spear special
And with your reduced HP and access to lifesteal on only the spins you're heavily incentivized to only do a spin build
slender basin
I'm very confused about the Hera bow. I had it with Aphro shot and sometimes it stuck to the enemy, sometimes it didn't
full flame
Zag spear with multi-skewer is pretty amazing too
fallow niche
Aphro cast sometimes doesn't lodge into enemies regularly @slender basin
It only does it when you hit them dead-on
Since its an AoE wave
slender basin
huh, never noticed that
fallow niche
And iirc the Hera bow just shoots it and it goes out in a random direction
slender basin
ty
fallow niche
Yeah you can abuse aphro cast reuse without it ever getting stuck in dudes if you know what you're doing
No need for Poseidon sword
teal laurel
oh tbh that's fine
and the charge time
what I want is
knockback on hit
cause armored enemies just laughs
and say nah
that and the ability to cancel end lag even on the sacrifice of damage
or just less end lag
fallow niche
Nooooo knockback on hit
thats BAD
holy cow just use poseidon on guan yu and laugh as you now lost the game for yourself
teal laurel
i meant for normal
fallow niche
even then
teal laurel
special for sword has slight knockback
fallow niche
If it was just faster I would be able to use it better
full flame
poseidon on spear is amazing
full flame
guan yu, yeah no, bc you want things to stay in your spin
teal laurel
vulnerable
full flame
but entire style of spear is to keep them at range and you need space to charge up spin or throw special
teal laurel
the only time i like poseidon is when im using achilles multi skewer
give me poseidon on special
fallow niche
The best spear builds are the in-your-face massive DPS or the explosive launcher that just deletes everything from a range
And it doesn't use poseidon
at all
all other zag spear builds are awful
teal laurel
if im RNG-ing where i land once i bull rush might as well make enemy placement RNG as well
I died in styx because of that
but it was funny
full flame
Zag spear with multi-skewer, and poseidon special with zeus duo is baller
fallow niche
multi-skewer is awful
teal laurel
achilles spear
fallow niche
achilles spear is a cast weapon
full flame
multi-skewer is best
teal laurel
I agree with multi skewer being awful
fallow niche
multi-skewer is legitimately fairly awful
teal laurel
@fallow niche but have you considered the meme potential with multi skewer bull rush doe
fallow niche
it has no synergy with other special hammer upgrades and even prevents some like launcher
full flame
if i'm using zag spear and going for special build, multi-skewer is my top priority always
fallow niche
that sounds memey i'll give you that @teal laurel
fallow niche
@full flame I'm sorry you haven't tried explosive then yet
teal laurel
by landing on traps
full flame
i have
fallow niche
Because that is something awful to shoot for
Multi-skewer has consistently underperformed
For me
teal laurel
poseidon special makes everyhing wtf
fallow niche
Explosive launcher has lead to 13 min runs for me too
teal laurel
i love it
fallow niche
And made higher heat bearable
fallow niche
Yeah regular spear just doesn't do enough damage
And doesn't attack fast enough
For special or main attack
teal laurel
also i hate the spear cause i want to do close damage and spi nattacks
spin attacks are kinda bad
fallow niche
You need flurry or explosive
guan yu is the only one that can effectively leverage spin attacks because it can throw them at a range
it plays like a giant beyblade bow
fallow niche
nah
zag sword is the worst yeah i'll give you that
but poseidon and nemesis sword are absurd
full flame
sword is unfortunately the worst
fallow niche
poseidon especially
turbid needle
^
teal laurel
well yeah
fallow niche
no, bow is the worst
full flame
poseidon is great, but you're not using the sword, you're just casting
fallow niche
of all my 32 heat runs, bow was the most painful
teal laurel
the only reason nemesis and poseidon are useful is because
fallow niche
that's still using the stats on the weapon 
@full flame
teal laurel
the aspects themselves
fallow niche
The whole POINT of Poseidon sword is that it gets your casts back
Good luck replicating its runs with other weps
turbid needle
Well uh isn't that like all of the aspects lmao
fallow niche
Without wasting 16 secs
teal laurel
but that stuff is just broken on other weapons
turbid needle
except for like maybe shield
teal laurel
Hey i think bow I like