2/3 are Ares boons
#h1-builds-and-combat
lament coral
turbid needle
All of them are, technically.
turbid needle
She really only has Crystal Beam and Snow Burst.
turbid needle
What's your point? They deal good damage.
wind vale
and cast duos for poseidon/dionysus
formal wyvern
Crystal beam is not great damage
formal wyvern
Trippy shot not always
turbid needle
I didn't say that Crystal Beam on its own was a game winner.
lament coral
it's a big aoe that impairs movement
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670028434323406855/unknown.png Ok that's interesting, got through the first phase without even breaking a sweat
turbid needle
Impairs non-armored, non-boss movement.
wind vale
and the highest damage cast
novel python
But honestly, that Athena call helps a crapload
lament coral
hey, that's more than Demeter cast does
turbid needle
Big slow arc that deals a single hit that can get stuffed by armor, yup.
formal wyvern
Trippy shot deals great dmg though
lament coral
weird argument considering the beam doesn't deal extra damage to armor either
and if your point was the blue shields, that's fair
turbid needle
No, but it deals multiple hits so is minimally effected by armor gate.
Also Damage Control, good point.
lament coral
I'd still rather poke and then delete em with the big boom
formal wyvern
Didathena call get buffed? I dont remember it lasting forever before.
lament coral
than wait for crystals to miss everyone and expire
yeah, they increased the duration
it's mad good now
formal wyvern
Sick
lament coral
you can easily get over 10 seconds of shield
hollow sorrel
If you're using a shield, you can aim the beams in the same direction, and just bull rush back ad forth along the laser beam line
novel python
formal wyvern
I think itspretty easy to get to 3 or 3.5 sec per bar
novel python
Without a maxed Guan Yu spear.
onyx kestrel
that feel when you choke a run horribly
turbid needle
[chokes a HB run] Don't look at me!
lament coral
did you pick up the sword hammer that reduces your HP?
onyx kestrel
got to hades with 3 DDs+Tooth and still lost lmao
somber storm
@onyx kestrel I had an incredible run going and decided to do ONE more of those last rooms for a heart before hades, took like 100 damage, then died on hades by maybe 50 hp
onyx kestrel
my damage output was really bad for hades and it took long enough for many inexperienced mistakes to take everything feels bad
somber storm
I couldnt find the stupid poison thing, did not realize they changed its visual so I just kept taking damage
lament coral
there's a beam of light above it when you're poisoned
formal wyvern
How is the buffed double special on Stygius? It used to be utter garbage
somber storm
yea but I was looking for what I recognized
turbid needle
That's rough, buddy.
formal wyvern
Im scared topick it ip
somber storm
happens, nbd
turbid needle
sealer It was usable if you took Super Nova first, but I haven't seen it since.
lament coral
it still feels like garbage to me
wind vale
it was good, just a bit hard to aim
lament coral
even with Chaos dash attack boons
you want damage, you get World Breaker
all of that dash attack trash is just for show
turbid needle
Wait, what are we talking about?
onyx kestrel
to give an idea of how bad my damage output was, the fight was like 10 minutes to get to halfway through phase 2 ๐
formal wyvern
Dash attack is good though
wind vale
but the question is if double nova is now useable without super nova
formal wyvern
Yeah i likethe dash attack
turbid needle
Wait, Double Edge? That's great.
It's honestly better for high Heat than World Splitter, though I love World Splitter dearly.
lament coral
I don't. As for the special, it still feels too small
wind vale
about world breaker - its sad how the healing and reduced hp sword hammer got nerfed so hard with it
lament coral
if you get smaller special you need bigger special hammer, too
wind vale
world splitter i mean ofc
lament coral
though, I don't even know if they're compatible
novel python
Why is Thanatos in my bedroom chamber
formal wyvern
Thoughtthey were exclusive
novel python
lament coral
make sure to have sound on
turbid needle
You can hold hands with all of them.
bold bear
Even Dusa?
novel python
What if I want Dusa
lament coral
she doesn't have hands
novel python
๐
lament coral
but you can hold her snake
formal wyvern
Who would want to spec special damage on swordanyway
wind vale
about exclusive - are the Bow charged special hammer and more special arrows hammers mutually exclusive or did anyone get both together?
wind vale
ty ๐ฆ
formal wyvern
Speedrun on high heat?
wind vale
so its still only one possible hammer for chiron bow
lament coral
it's either 0 or max overtime
turbid needle
I think so. I've seen an old 120 heat clear.
formal wyvern
Then it dont matter
lament coral
oh, that old
turbid needle
Nah, Deadly Flourish with Charged Volley? Terrifying.
tired pivot
What's the max heat possible now?
lament coral
uh, which one is flourish?
turbid needle
Special.
lament coral
no, which god
wind vale
yea but then i dont get more shots
turbid needle
Artemis.
formal wyvern
Artemis?
turbid needle
Not a huge drop, only 5%.
Artemis is still top tier, she was too good before the chance nerf.
lament coral
the damage wasn't increased to accommodate though
wind vale
currently trying the arctic blast and frost florish anyways - its a blast how its working ๐
formal wyvern
I dont think she was top tier because of her t1 boons
lament coral
wouldn't Aphro with another status beat it though, in terms of consistent DPS?
fallow niche
^
turbid needle
Sometimes.
fallow niche
Artemis was good but not incredibly powerful or anything
Now Aphrodite is just top tier
wind vale
technically straight damage would always be aphro with crit chance
fallow niche
PrivPos is nuts
formal wyvern
Aphro dmg boostsare just too high
She gives most dmg and best damage mitigation bar deflect
lament coral
yep, should be spread between other % based god boons
formal wyvern
And the max hp boon is great too
formal wyvern
Even the cast has great dmg
lament coral
I haven't tried her new cast yet
formal wyvern
For some reason
lament coral
heard mixed opinions
formal wyvern
You cant double hit her cast anymore
lament coral
the what now?
fallow niche
New aphro cast is worse but its still very strong
formal wyvern
And its not a cone so it hits less things
fallow niche
Yeah its single target shotgun now
formal wyvern
But the dmg is still solid
wind vale
but can you completely miss it even if the enemy is clearly hit still?
lament coral
but it's still multiple projectiles, right?
turbid needle
It still hits multiple targets, I'm almost 100% certain.
turbid needle
It hasn't been multiple projectiles for a long time.
lament coral
like wave enemies'?
fallow niche
Yes
lament coral
but narrower?
fallow niche
Its just really short
formal wyvern
I mean it hits multiple targets but its not multiple projectiles
fallow niche
Yeah narrower and much closer range
lament coral
ok
turbid needle
Casts do not work on damage percentages.
They change to a new base damage and that base damage increases per Pom.
Very important difference when calculating damage.;
lament coral
sorry, poo brain
wind vale
another question - is it possible to use poms on arctic blast?
turbid needle
I don't think so.
proud storm
not to my knowledge
formal wyvern
With chaos cast dmg gets buffed by percentage
fallow niche
Which one is that?
lament coral
boom on cast
fallow niche
Yes you can
turbid needle
Belgo, pls.
wind vale
yea didnt seem like it but i could always have been unlucky
fallow niche
I have used a pom or two on it
But there is a legit cast build with Demeter + Aphrodite atm
proud storm
arctic blast is the one that deals damage and clears chill after 10 stacks
formal wyvern
In fact, casts have highest dmg potential because of chaos and pom interaction
proud storm
it's really good with grandma's call
fallow niche
Oh that one
formal wyvern
Which is super cool
fallow niche
No you can't pom it iirc
wind vale
nono not boom on cast - the clear 10 stacks of frost for blast thing
rocky mica
Does demen show up naturally or do you need to do something?
lament coral
I don't know how you managed to misspell Demeter + Dionysus, but I forgive you
fallow niche
fallow niche
Nah, I want my shotgun cast build tyvm
turbid needle
Arcitc Blast or Snow Burst?
lament coral
burst is the stacking one
turbid needle
Arctic Blast is stack detonation, Snow Burst is Chill stack on Cast.
Yeah, Snow Burst.
lament coral
oh, oh
turbid needle
That sounds nutty with Poseidon.
formal wyvern
Im gonna go play some. Have a good evening
wind vale
so ill maybe have to find a way to give it crit if i want to increase my damage
turbid needle
Pressure Points.
fallow niche
I mean if you just get those two boons with poms, you can get any other boons and not care I think
wind vale
im thinking athena artemis duo
fallow niche
It just does so much damage
Esp with poseidon sword getting back your casts
Tho most things die instantly
Even the hydra heads
its nice to have two/three cast builds for poseidon sword now
rocky mica
When does Demeter start showing up? Just started a new god run.
proud storm
she only appears once you reach the final boss
wind vale
oh that makes sense
proud storm
zag's dialogue when you meet her the first time implies thats the requirement
rocky mica
Bit weird but ok.
tired pivot
It makes more sense once you meet her
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/670034027113086996/unknown.png? I'm tempted to go with special, what do yall think
wind vale
special makes most sense
wind vale
its no boon its the weapon aspect
fallow niche
@novel python probably special or bronze
actually bronze
19% very good
shoot for athena dash later with exposed
and aphro on special
that way you get priv pos
tired pivot
Ah, okay
fallow niche
you could get deflect on special I guess and do aphro or something else on dash but that 19% dr is very nice
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670035219855704064/unknown.png game is trolling me
And I might be offered an exchange later
fallow niche
demeter isn't what you want for an artemis cast build
you can use artemis's large range to your advantage here
wind vale
i wouldnt mind her dash
novel python
Or her call
wind vale
yea
wind vale
or even attack
wind vale
there are worse
shell ember
Hi just wanted to tell you guys i got a bug with the guan yu aspect where the Daedalus charge special would give your special infinite range
wind vale
so thats what they meant with it charged special with guan yu being op ๐
tired pivot
Yeah, I noticed a weird cursor bug with that as well
last dawn
Does attack speed affect bow charge speed?
wind vale
yea
novel python
This run is going nice up until now, got artemis cast and burst shot
Also Hermes cast speed
rocky mica
I find cast speed tends to be more annoying then helpfull. ;p
lusty gust
If fell in love with the Guan Yu aspect
I thought it wouldn't get me to the final battle but it actually did
tranquil vigil
newbie here have the question, how can i do release left click after flashing on bow?
does is mean release mouse click when bow having flash on top of it?
turbid needle
its a matter of timing!
wind vale
oh - they mean you have to get the right timing
turbid needle
yes you have to release the click when u see it flash for the powershot
wind vale
release right the moment you reach maximum charge
you will flash white for a short time - thats the timing
gray lintel
okay what demeter's cast is SO COOL
smoky veldt
Now you have the lasers
woeful stirrup
It looks cool, but it's pretty mediocre. Doesn't track well. Works very well with the non-mobile enemies in Tartarus. Doesn't work at all later, because the enemies in Asphodel jump around and the enemies in Elysium go fast.
ancient stirrup
I have a question about a Demeter Dionysus interaction. I picked up Trippy Shot (gives Festive Fog cast) and the boon that reduces my damage when I'm in Fog. I then later got the duo boon with Demeter that makes my cast explode then chill aoe. Can I safely sell the dionysus ones? Do I get the damage reduction while standing in the duo effect? In at least a couple rooms it's done the festive fog cast instead of the duo one, which is weird.
fallow niche
God the RNG is awful rn
I have gone to Elysium without seeing a single attack boon
Why does this keep happening
Like, not an attack boon from any god
I'll take anything jesus
full flame
yeah it is, it's so much less fun than before update
fallow niche
Definitely
torn kayak
I think this patch futzed with the dash startup, it's noticeably slower, but it's not on the patch notes AFAIK
fallow niche
They broke something
wooden panther
Because you didn't pet Cerberus enough
lean badger
gotta give some nectar to RNGesus
woeful stirrup
I can guarantee you the update is not what messed with the RNG.
You just ran out of luck.
torn kayak
I've gone back to the previous patch and you can chain dashes faster and also cancel out of moves faster too.
full flame
no, it absolutely is the update
torn kayak
So I assume it's the start up
woeful stirrup
I've had similar situations in half my runs every since the game first cam out on the EGS.
fallow niche
I never ran into this before the update
woeful stirrup
Well you were just lucky.
fallow niche
woeful stirrup
So don't rub it in my unlucky face.
fallow niche
If that's how the game is intended to run then its just poorly engineered
Not seeing a single attack boon ever
Into the 3rd biome
full flame
there's multiple reasons for it, there's extra boons that have diluted the pools slightly, there's an increased chance for replacement boons to show up, and there's a decreased chance for legendaries/duos
fallow niche
I have gotten 5 Aphrodite boons and haven't seen her attack once @full flame
Let alone other gods
I've bought from shops and whatnot
woeful stirrup
Well at least you got 5 Aphro boons. I still can't get her legendary because I never get more than 3 boons from her in a single run.
fallow niche
I got her 5 boons unrelated to actually dealing any damage
torn kayak
I've noticed having a harder time filling up all my slots too.
fallow niche
And no legendary either
full flame
yeah, there's used to be much more of a consistent offering of boons for attack/special if those weren't already filled
fallow niche
Yeah definitely
I got offered attack/specials all the time when they weren't filled before update
scenic pecan
Question; The Guan Yu weapon initially scared me given how much health I lose, does it do stupidly high damage or something to compensate?
fallow niche
Now? Its totally random
full flame
193 hours played, it's noticeable
fallow niche
I have about as much too now
ancient stirrup
I've not had any especial difficulty filling slots. Though sometimes I've made it to the 3rd or 4th zone without one filled cause I've passed on ones I didn't want
torn kayak
They didn't say anything about it in the patch notes but there's nothing on the dash startup being longer and it's for sure longer now.
full flame
it feels oh so much worse with keepsakes maxed and attempting to force builds
fallow niche
The fact that this can happen at all I think is the biggest problem. Like, what am I supposed to use to kill people? My dash? All they ever offer me are dash boons to replace the one I have!
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670047595498045457/unknown.png who needs an attack?
fallow niche
I have 3 sources of damage reduction because that's the only good thing they're offering me
woeful stirrup
Welcome to my world. You just gotta deal with it.
full flame
before update was quite consistent to be able to force builds, with it sometimes just taking all the way to Styx to finish them
novel python
@fallow niche indeed I should've gotten that dmg red instead of special, I didn't get an exchange at all
fallow niche
I'm not here for a pity competition chouette
full flame
now there's increased chance of not ever getting certain things during an entire run, no matter how hard you try to force it
full flame
agreed
woeful stirrup
And I'm not here to hear about how an update supposedly messed with a balance that never existed in the first place.
fallow niche
You're totally stuck in your own world dude
ancient stirrup
I'm hear to ask a question that got ignored because of several pages of RNG griping.
scenic pecan
Question; The Guan Yu weapon initially scared me given how much health I lose, does it do stupidly high damage or something to compensate?
torn kayak
It gives you a heal charged attack
torn kayak
And the special is better.
full flame
it has some increased damage and heals off the spin
ancient stirrup
@scenic pecan I haven't gotten a chance to try it yet, still need some titan bloods. I assume it works like the curse blade daedalus upgrad for the sword, which is scary but not too bad
fallow niche
And I'm here to gripe about the RNG being awful a bunch of runs in a row 
ancient stirrup
It carried me to last boss pretty easily and almost beat him with it. Lost by a few swings
wooden panther
The Guan Yu does higher damage, at a slower attack speed, and the spin attack launches a whirlwind that heals you per hit
rocky mica
It could be a tad less minus HP I think. But its a unique weapon.
torn kayak
It's got more damage but the attack is way slower tho
fallow niche
You get lifesteal specifically @scenic pecan
scenic pecan
Okay, so it's not 'badly' balanced, but you get lifesteal and unique abilities
ancient stirrup
Though you have to be really good at doding the last boss swings because he hits like a truck which gives you a lot less room to recover when you have a low health pool.
gray lintel
+1 gem with the lasers and a chaos boon. i am now a bullet hell boss
fallow niche
It does more "damage" per hit, but it attacks slower, so if you use anything but your spin attacks you're doing less DPS overall
The spin attacks fly forward too which is good
full flame
@ancient stirrup the Ice Wine duo still counts as festive fog
rocky mica
Well the basic spear (aspects) are pretty poor so any weapon thats more reliable is great. ;p
torn kayak
I just wanna talk about the dash hidden changes tho :( no one else noticed that?
woeful stirrup
The lifesteal more than compensates for the health reduction.
I have personally not noticed any changes to the dash.
ancient stirrup
Thanks @full flame If I purge the fog debuff does it still as well?
fallow niche
Its probably a side effect of them nerfing Athena dash's i-frames @torn kayak
torn kayak
Nah, it's in the regular dash. I've gone back to the old patch and it starts up faster when cancelled there
full flame
@ancient stirrup if you mean purging Trippy Shot, I have no idea what that will do, you would no longer have festive fog, the duo might not affect your bloodstones at all; interesting question to test at some point i guess
ancient stirrup
I'll leave it lay then. I'm not too hurting for obols and rather have the safety of knowing it exists. Thanks for the info.
fallow niche
They did try and nerf everything during the big update
Most of which is dialed back
But they clearly wanted to make players weaker by some degree
torn kayak
I'll do that when I can compare the footage better, but it's for sure real.
fallow niche
If you're sure then 
torn kayak
I dunno if it's a hidden nerf or a bug.
fallow niche
Just report it and hope for the best
torn kayak
Will do when I get home. I knew things felt weirder and I was taking more damage after the patch, just wondering if other people noticed it too.
fallow niche
I have been too
I assumed something was changed I didn't read in the notes
It may just be the dash
The OG dash I saw in videos was god awful
I hope they're not going back to that
Moving fast is really fun
torn kayak
It's still good, it's just worse. As a fighting game player I guess I notice those things easier, hehe
full flame
another thing that's worse this update
bloodstones are more often disappearing or going off screen out of reach to recover
visual mirage
hollow sorrel
@fallow niche Yes! I swear the chances of finding attack or special boons has gone down
rocky mica
I was kindawondering if they changed something in the room spawnings rewards.
Did start a few god run so thought it was due to that.
new*
hollow sorrel
The chances of finding boons seems the same, but the chances of the main boons (e.g. attack/special) seem less now.
fallow niche
Yeah the chance of finding them has gone down and its really frustrating honestly
Yup
hollow sorrel
Which is how I had the terrible 58 minute bow run, where my damage was so terrible that I slowly piddled things to death
but I had like 10 utility boons!
full flame
yeah, that's the overall effect, it slows the game down on average
which isn't fun in a game you need to repeatedly grind
torn kayak
It's hard to tell with a small sample size but it does feel harder to hit your build than it did before.
hollow sorrel
There's a difference between "hitting your build" and "getting a full set of attack/special/dash/cast boons, since the game is balanced around the character having a full set of the main boons
rugged estuary
Oh god mistakes were made.
full flame
granted context matters, it's one thing if the goal was to slow things down for newer players that hadn't finished upgrading mirror; but in my opinion, a maxed mirror should offer so much more control over your build with the challenge coming from the Pact rather than from poor boon rng
maxed mirror and keepsakes i mean
rugged estuary
I took a chaos gate late in elysium that said killed enemies throw a bomb at you
had 1 charge left when I got to styx
rocky mica
It becomes more annoying then fun now. RNG is fine but it becomes a bit too much of a hassle with some bad luck now.
torn kayak
Oh, I mean you're not gonna reliably get your main attack button upgraded now. You can pick Poseidon Sword and whiff HARD on cast.
digital vessel
Oh god
torn kayak
Which is whatever at low Heat, I guess, but it's gotta be obnoxious for actual high Heat play
hollow sorrel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/527330532259004419/670050896029417501/unknown.png?width=1037&height=584 in other news, Zeus shield isn't super terrible anymore, or something
rocky mica
So just terrible. ;p
rugged estuary
Oh also, I found a use for the spread shot upgrade on the bow
if you also get the bounce upgrade, the shots will bounce of walls, effetively giving a triple shot on a single target if one right
rocky mica
If, when. ;p
rugged estuary
eh, it's working really well in styx right now
probably less so in more open spaces ๐
rocky mica
Specials in general could use some tweaking. Maybe next patch after new weapon. Same for everything spear. ;p
bold bear
I think as far as balance between main attack and special is concerned the Railgun is probably in the best spot
full flame
there's a hammer upgrade Chain Shot for the bow that makes your shot chain to up to 3 foes
but i thought that only affected the main middle arrow if you have the Triple Shot
bold bear
Ew. That sounds bad.
atomic mist
Does it really bounce off the walls? I literally asked earlier today about chain shot and triple shot synergy lol
torn kayak
I don't think I ever picked that, lol
full flame
the main shot might "bounce" off a wall, a lot of those multi-target boons seem to do that
but that would be news to me if the side split arrows in triple shot also chain
atomic mist
I think the consensus was that it doesn't work, but I feel like it should. At least, it'd be fun if it did
heavy palm
@cursive flint Love your idea in #hades-feedback for spreading out death defiances as a heat option. Would call it โPace Yourselfโ or โWork-Life Balanceโ
cursive flint
Awwwwwwwwww thanks but really it's @pearl plank's idea
Those are definitely good names for it tho
oak owl
wait whats the upside to the new spear
cursive flint
All of its abilities are changed: the new basic attack has a slower but higher damage 3 hit combo, your spin creates a mini-blade rift-like thing that heals you, and your special shoots fireworks
rugged estuary
The hera bow is super carrying me through runs right now
Love how it melts bosses
native ether
i havent noticed this issue at all (the dash one)
sure you weren't using a hammer boon like Serrated Edge?
torpid fog
My apologies, everyone. I was trying to read the rules. If I wish to offer feedback - I do so here?
rugged estuary
@atomic mist @full flame I literally just had it and it does bounce off walls. I was in a short corridor facing a big rat in styx, shooting directly at it, and the 2 diagonal shots bounced off the corridor walls and into the rat.
torpid fog
I wanted to do so on the feedback channel - but I'm not allowed
unkempt pagoda
look in the pins in the feedback channel!
jade estuary
Hera vs Chiron how
unkempt pagoda
it says that discussion of feedback goes here
jade estuary
Which aspect to unlock first
unkempt pagoda
as for posting in the feedback channel, #6 has what you're looking for
sharp rock
I've heard nothing but good things bout Hera aspect
Chiron has been sort of underwhelming
rugged estuary
hera aspect has been super fun for me
and its nice you don't have to start on a particular god for it
easily half of them work well with it
jade estuary
Whatโs the most op aspect?
unkempt pagoda
chiron used to be op but then it was nerfed hella
jade estuary
Nowadays at least
unkempt pagoda
i've heard poseidon sword with exit wounds is good
sharp rock
I had that run going. Big damage but I kept getting hit 
rugged estuary
@unkempt pagoda Oooh, I like that. Gotta try that some time
sullen marsh
can someone explain fishing to me? ive tried several times and have failed everytime. The bobber goes "underwater" where you cant see it and then you reel it in right? I always get it too late it says
rugged estuary
@jade estuary Pretty sure opinions will be different on that, but I am breezing through runs with hera bow right now. Granted though I'm only at 8 heat, so it may be different higher.
unkempt pagoda
i'm not sure there's any overwhelmingly OP aspects nowadays
rugged estuary
@sullen marsh It fakes out sometimes and just dips a little, you have to hit the button when it actually goes underwater
the timing is fairly short, so you gotta be quick
unkempt pagoda
chaos shield was good, but i'm not sure how it places now with the new update
rugged estuary
yeah most aspects feel fairly balanced right now.
sullen marsh
@rugged estuary yeah i wait out some fakes and till its fully under and then i try and still nothing
rugged estuary
Try hitting it as soon as you see it go under.
That's the best advice I can give, it works for me.
unkempt pagoda
guan yu is really strong imo but it's balanced by being two-shot by almost everything
made spear fun to play again imo
full flame
3 zeus boons, 5 poseidon, 1 artemis....next zeus offering: zeus/artemis duo, feels bad
balmy timber
bruh those fated list rewards are insane
balmy timber
is the end boss considered a spoiler
rugged estuary
congrats!
Did you beat him?
It took me 12 runs to see him for the first time, and then I watched a friend find and beat him on run 5.
thick sedge
I took 31 runs to get to Hades (I know, I'm terrible)
but got a win on 33
the fact that I can be so bad at a game and still enjoy it so much just shows how amazing it is
thick sedge
I guess
rugged estuary
I've played games like that before, and combat is super similar to bastion, so I felt right at home with hades.
Previous experience is definitely a thing.
thick sedge
I only played a little bit of bastion when it first came out
but I've been loving Hades
so I think I'll check out the other supergiant games soon
frozen panther
Ummm
something weird just happened
Hades just like exploded in his 2nd phase twice
and i just... won
explodes to 50%, gets impervious, explodes again
O_O
https://gyazo.com/7061f0f995821020128d34dbbe453a67 dont know if anything in my build helped with that
aside from winter harvest which should trigger at 10%
wooden lodge
oh cool
you can select a few different boons on the end screen to see them all at once
that's a great addition
hollow sorrel
I feel like that chariot has an extra attack that I sometimes get hit by. Like a lobbed rocket or something, but it doesn't create a ground circle? Am I supposed to just stay far away from the lobbed projectiles?
It's not often, but it's a bit confusing, because I didn't understand what is actually hitting me
full flame
i had that happen too, i'm not sure what that was but maybe it's like the rail special, if it hits a wall or something it will bounce and land in a different spot than the target indicator on the ground
because i was definitely not standing in one of the target circles, and he was on the opposite side of the arena and i took damage
frozen panther
https://gyazo.com/fda0924c6dbba1b7838875539c426228 Demeter actually does decent damage
fallow niche
Just tried the new Hera aspect Festive Fog build
Its busted
Never had an easier run in my entire 100+ completed runs
full flame
i'm not a fan of Demeter legendary
it's basically an upgraded Dying Lament, helps with clearing large crowds i guess, like mini-chariots
hollow sorrel
@full flame yes, that is what happened to me. He was moving in the opposite direction, so I couldn't have gotten hit with the machine gun, and the bull was dead
crisp iris
I realized I was eating ||RED|| when I tried to play it "normally" and I feel like the way to play this aspect us just to spam the hell out of spin
burnt rune
Today I learned to like Drift Dash
Makes the last two boss fights and some of the more chaotic rooms in Elysium quite more manageable
hollow sorrel
drift dash?
fallow niche
@jade estuary To use your blood on?
Gyuan Yu is harder to use because it relies heavily on getting hammers to be good
Hera also has a weird playstyle, but its good if you get the gist of it
rugged estuary
@full flame @hollow sorrel The rail special, which the chariot uses, has an issue where sometimes the ground-indicator just doesn't appear
I've seen it happen with both the player and theseus using it
burnt rune
drift dash = hermes boon
rugged estuary
drift dash is amazing
hollow sorrel
oh yeah, I get that one a lot
rugged estuary
@jade estuary I'm a big fan of hera bow
azure wraith
do you keep any darkness accumulated from abandoned runs
kind cloud
i'm salty about 2 things:
- most epic boons now being capped at 100 (though ares' impending doom gives me 108 on epic)
- hades' spin attack being buffed!?!?!
he did 56 damage on spin despite being charmed with weak and me having epic tier damage reduction boons
lol, f off
rugged estuary
@azure wraith Abandoning runs resets you to the save state from before the run, so no.
If you want to keep it, you have to die.
@kind cloud Did you have a head inside you by chance?
They cause you to take increased damage.
azure wraith
ah ty
kind cloud
hmm...i'm not sure. i don't think so because i had shield of chaos and i'm careful to always block hades projectiles
rugged estuary
Because with a head inside you the spin hits for 80 base
so 56 would be fitting with your damage reductions
kind cloud
then i probably did get hit at some point and didn't notice...that would make sense
last nacelle
That's why that effect has a screen-wide notification.
kind cloud
i had 470 base health and hades had me down to 135 and hades spammed with that spin attack, lol, dammit.
carmine shuttle
So I just got my first win off the back of damage reduction stacking and an embarrassing amount of face-tanking. I know some of the DR got nerfed in the last patch but I am curious what the current community consensus on the current state of DR?
carmine shuttle
Yeah
kind cloud
what is face-tanking?
carmine shuttle
Face tanking just means eating a lot of attacks with effective HP
kind cloud
oh, lol...so basically what happened to me in my last run....since i was able to scale my health high i didn't really care about getting hit until hades went crazy with spin attacks
hollow sorrel
It's a lot less useful since the spearpoint nerf. Like, I used to just strafe-dodge around Hades and attack like non-stop
kind cloud
oh, spearpoint got nerfed?
wut?
is that why i was taking more damage from poison this last run
i didn't even read the new description.
hollow sorrel
it can't activate a bunch of times on a row anymore
kind cloud
WAT
hollow sorrel
yeah, like, you can't rely on it to save you from hades combos
kind cloud
cotdammit, that makes sense why my health was declining more noticeably during some runs
hollow sorrel
and I think his spin attack actually hits twice? But we never really notcied it before, because the 2nd hit used to always get nulled by the spearpoint?
kind cloud
which genius at supergiant games decided to implement that change?
hollow sorrel
well, like, the final boss was a bit of a joke with spearpoint
kind cloud
i like you supergiant games but i've been pissed off since they nerfed the sword special
and that happened like 3 updates ago
*major updates
blazing pawn
there's definitely some kind of bug with hades atm though
hollow sorrel
what did the sword special used to do?
kind cloud
it used to be instantaneous
blazing pawn
every once in a while one of his spins will hit like twice the size of the visible radius
kind cloud
now there's a delay on the sword special
blazing pawn
I don't know what causes it specifically
kind cloud
so athena special on sword was unreal amazing
her deflect gave you instantaneous 360 deflect
combined with divine dash, you could zoom through levels pretty much untouched
hollow sorrel
and you don't think that was a broken thing that needed to be fixed?
kind cloud
i don't mind the change
but they made it too weak now
like...shield of chaos is more broken than the sword special was
*current shield of chaos
currently best weapon in the game imo
hollow sorrel
oh, I haven't used the chaos shield since the update. I switched to zeus shield
kind cloud
zeus shield is pretty broken too
fallow niche
Zeus shield is pretty bleh
kind cloud
for instance, i learned the other night that if you throw zeus shield, you can still block
lulz
it basically makes you a tank
hollow sorrel
Zeus Zeus Shield should be a meme
kind cloud
and if you have divine dash then lulz
azure wraith
if you get an attack boon does it lower the chance that you'll be offered another attack boon later
long sierra
its only broken if you're willing to let fights take forever
hollow sorrel
I think you just have a flat lowered chance to get attack/special boons in general
azure wraith
ah
long sierra
the zeus shield would be better if it had a stationary and mobile mode, or follow
unkempt pagoda
there's nothing in-game indicating that, you'd probably have to ask a dataminer
long sierra
just bc it just slowly floats away from all the action, doing no damage
unkempt pagoda
i'm not sure what the chances of getting an exchange is
fallow niche
Zeus shield is just really slow with a tiny range
Its cool but ultimately not very effective for most of the game because of how the enemies just walk around it
fallow niche
They buffed the damage iirc
Or you spend a ton of time trying to coral them into the AoE
hollow sorrel
the tick rate is faster, and it moves faster
hollow sorrel
you still have to awkwardly collect it a lot, if you're moving long distances
fallow niche
I wouldn't use it again for the life of me
long sierra
my game is still crashing when i try to do a run so i have to just sit here
hollow sorrel
It still feels less awkward than trying to use the new slow spear
long sierra
yeah if it had a faster deploy and faster return that would be...ok
kind cloud
i cant stand the spear
i want to like it
i've tried to like it
but i feel like a sitting duck
especially after shield of chaos lets you fly all over the stages
hollow sorrel
It was pretty cool at low heat, when I didn't have to bump up the monster speed, but I wouldn't want to do it at +monster speed
kind cloud
yeah, i play at around 6-10 heat typically and i feel ridiculously stupid with the spear
long sierra
I didn't even reallize the shield blocked until like the 4th run with it
hollow sorrel
though it's still a bit terrible for me, because trying to get +50HP out of the mirror, when I only have 2,500 darkness is a bit meh
kind cloud
the only projectile that the shield can't block is in the inferno bomb that lands behind you (which makes sense)
it happens every now and then
hollow sorrel
I normal get +25 HP out of the mirror, which is fine when I'm not health reduced
long sierra
but in some way its cheese-tanking
hollow sorrel
and some of the spear thrusts don't block all the time
kind cloud
@long sierra if you're talking shield, i mean...yeah...the shield does feel a little too cheap at times especially against hades but then i remember how ridiculous hades spin attack range is and I don't feel bad
long sierra
yeah hades is definitely hard enough to warrant a block but i just wish other weps viability provided options
kind cloud
agree
long sierra
i mean, I'd love to see stats on how many runs have been cleared with each weapon globally, and highest heat with weapons
hollow sorrel
i mean like, the bow and rail can just be far away enough to dash out of in it general
long sierra
just to see what the players are doing. I feel like those stats would tell you a story about weapon balance just because the crowd will find most viable option
yeah i've heard people talking about bow being viable though I'm terrible with it
kind cloud
meh, because of the isometric nature of supergiant games' games, i sometimes misjudge how far away i am from hades being able to hit me with the spin attack
also, hades' dash + thrust with his blade is ridiculously unfair at times since he comes out of seemingly nowhere at times
hollow sorrel
I've seen (last patch) chaos shield, hestia rails, 1 chiron bow, and like 2 nemesis swords?
long sierra
that and the hitboxes and animations go well beyond the physical item and that messes me up big time
kind cloud
(yes, i know about his footsteps)
hollow sorrel
but the majority were defintiely chaos shields, by a large margin
long sierra
where did you see that
hollow sorrel
like, youtube
long sierra
oh ok
hollow sorrel
colors and haelian
kind cloud
yep, shield explosive return is so cash
long sierra
yeah i mean you get the upgrade for increased captain americas shield, plus literally any boon and you are set
kind cloud
there's no reason not to use it
hollow sorrel
Colorsใฎ้ๆฏๅ ด if you want the full youtube name
kind cloud
combined with artemis critical change leveled up a few times and/or support fire and it's pretty unreal
long sierra
i just wish i could play XD idk how fast they are on tech support here
but likely i'm going to have to wait for them to release an update
I love the work they do but I don't see many folks with this issue, although there were some last patch in December...so thats interesting
full flame
the shield is definitely the most broken op weapon, no question
turbid needle
i used to play with the shield so much back when i first got the game
i remember only playing with the shield cause it was really fun to use now i got bored of it lmao
long sierra
lol i mean like anything shield esque its runs are fairly cut and dry
I'm a big fan of risk of rain here and its just like engineer. You place your shield and turrets and go passive
turbid needle
but like in comparison to the other weapons the shield is like the most powerful overall if you dont have the tight deadline thing
if you take your time with it its op
kind cloud
until i get to hades and then i have to sit up and apply myself for a bit
full flame
it's the fastest, most effective weapon period
turbid needle
yea it is good with tight deadline its just i go on autopilot whenever i use it and forget about the timing myself lmao
fallow niche
Rail is also quite good
full flame
it has arguably the best ranged special of all weapons
turbid needle
but it doesnt do as much damage as it did back then when i was playing more so it feels hard to me to use it properly
full flame
it's the only weapon that offers a mobility ability
only weapon that offers defense
unlimited defense
turbid needle
i cant get myself to use the rail tbh
full flame
that you get while charging the mobility
fallow niche
Yeah being the only one to offer defense is a huge thing
turbid needle
yeah
hollow sorrel
I dunno if that means fastest for tight deadline tho
full flame
it's because it's effective range is massive
fallow niche
It has a block, a gap closer, its attack is a spacer, and its special is a ranged attack
It has everything you could want on a weapon
turbid needle
i never use the special tho its kinda underwhelming imo
full flame
you can damage enemies effectively with special from far away and close gap to finish off
turbid needle
at least with zag aspect
fallow niche
Shield special op even without chaos shield
Explosive return ESPECIALLY
Its nuts damage
full flame
and the update to the chaos shield in this patch made it even better
fallow niche
Well no
full flame
for room clearing
fallow niche
Its just worse now
full flame
at the sacrifice of some shotgun damage on bosses
hollow sorrel
it's worse now
fallow niche
Easier to use for people who couldn't aim it before
fallow niche
But it was more powerful before
No it isn't
Before you could aim its shields in a cone
full flame
charge into middle of crowd and let shields loose
fallow niche
Yeah and it'll miss half of them
fallow niche
You may love it, but it has been nerfed
full flame
it's better than ever
turbid needle
still havent gotten around to getting chaos shield tbh
fallow niche
Its busted
kind cloud
it's awesome
fallow niche
Adds AoE and shotgunning to the regular shield package
full flame
it should honestly be reworked for the sake of weapon balance
fallow niche
Not really
turbid needle
sdjfsjdka
fallow niche
The rest of the weapons should be brought up to par
kind cloud
no, keep as is
turbid needle
ill actually
fallow niche
There are plenty of bad weapons
turbid needle
play now and see if i can get it lmao
kind cloud
exactly
fallow niche
That need buffs or changes first
kind cloud
there are plenty of bad weapons, keep shield as is for those who want to just cruise
rugged estuary
Does Hestia work with the shotgun hammer (spread fire) like I want it to?
fallow niche
No
rugged estuary
Will each of the 5 shots hit for 150?
kind cloud
like, i play with the other weapons just to experiment
fallow niche
No they won't Tom
rugged estuary
Awww, darn.
kind cloud
but shield is the most fun to play with even without chaos aspect
full flame
no, toma, single shot first then back to spread
rugged estuary
already got that one
dense star
That's pretty disappointing (but understandable I guess)
fallow niche
Shotgun + explosive shot is actually really good though
Even on Hestia
Turns your regular shots into decent damage
Great for AoE clearing small trash
Esp in Elysium
dense star
Yeah, hestia aspect at base is a useful alt fire option basically
If you got hammer upgrades that make the normal attack good
fallow niche
Yup
rugged estuary
Oh yeah, I am noticing, shotgun explosive feels good
fallow niche
Its so fun
Get I think artemis on your attack
I couldn't see a thing whenever I shot
Lmao
Screen was so bright
dense star
Think one run I had shotgun explosive ares attack boon with Merciful end and that boon that scales doom damage with successive hits, that was fun
fallow niche
turbid needle
god i finally got around to playing with guan yu
and its actually really fun
i was kinda afraid to use it bc of the health thing but its really fun to use
fallow niche
It has a nice differentiation from the rest of the weapons
Sadly it heavily relies on hammer upgrades
And the right ones too
Not sure if going Demeter or Aphrodite is best on it first though
Demeter's slow on the attack allows you to not get rushed down while charging but Life Affirmation from Aphro is super strong early
turbid needle
ive only gotten zeus so far so F
fallow niche
Demeter on the spin attacks turns enemies into snails
dense star
Zeus boons usually make me sad
fallow niche
Zeus is only good on select weapons
dense star
Like there's cool multi lightning stuff
fallow niche
Or for his duo boons with Poseidon or Dionysus
dense star
But that needs more Zeus boons
round stirrup
where can i report a bug? i found a small issue with the 30 contractor jobs prophecy
rugged estuary
press F10
round stirrup
kk thanks
fallow niche
Poseidon and Zeus are the weakest of the gods when it comes to their boons, which is honestly pretty funny considering they're supposed to be the most powerful ones
dense star
Yeah
mild crag
Don't sleep on Zeus attack on rail tho
fallow niche
^
dense star
Yeah
fallow niche
One of the few thats good with it
dense star
Admittedly Demeter somewhat competes for attack boon on rapid hit weapons since I do like stacking slow
But damage
frozen panther
I miss the gotta go fast spear
frozen panther
You'll never see a fast spear like that again ;-;
frozen panther
not even close to the 125% bonus
Hermes can go up to 38 when its heroic
plus 25
thats just 63
solid cairn
Yes
frozen panther
only skelly's and sisiphyus'
turbid needle
oooh
solid cairn
Aka the only good ones
frozen panther
tru
turbid needle
gotta get them soon it seems
frozen panther
Than and Meg's are laughable
solid cairn
Megโs is at least good for speed running
Thanโs is not only difficult to get
But is never the best option
solid cairn
Seriously it takes so long
solid cairn
And Skelly is literally always there
frozen panther
maybe for u then
turbid needle
like i got it today skjdfak
solid cairn
You know whatโs cool
frozen panther
I got Skelly, Than, Meg and Sisyphus
solid cairn
You can get Skelly and Sisyโs one after another quick after you start the game
Get the 10 blood prophecy for finding every elite, do Skellyโs quest, spend diamonds on Sisyโs contract (even easier with new contractor)
And boom
frozen panther
new contractor tho
frozen panther
It took me forever cause I wouldnt get the proper dialogue and the contract
and sisyphus all that much when i was tryna get Shady
solid cairn
Ok Iโll just say
My only complaint with new contractor
Is that the frickin mouse wheel doesnโt scroll
frozen panther
I use a controller soooo yeah xD
frozen panther
solid cairn
I guarantee they got that from me
Been on a bit of a break from this game after getting super frustrated at Elysium
Iโll be sure to come back tomorrow
gritty sage
With the new snow burst, it's really good at dealing with crowds as well
What's considered the best?
solid cairn
I think itโs balanced by how restricted it is
You need certain boons for it to be useable
gritty sage
I happened to come across these:
https://i.imgur.com/0SDAA0l.png
Bosses were actually melting
Albeit it would be tempered at higher heat levels
solid cairn
1 heat?
gritty sage
I never touched the bow before, been grinding the rail
mild crag
Chaos aspect shield abusing doom and merciful end is still the best build
barren nimbus
is it just me or are gods offering replacement boons waaaaaaaaaay more often since the last patch?
radiant trail
how does guan yu heal work?
hollow sorrel
each hit of the charged special, heals
radiant trail
i mean the amount of healing
mine has gone from +1 in the beginning to +6 which its at currently
viral stratus
I just got the game. I am super hyped to play it. It's downloading now. I did wanna ask though, will updates come out on steam and epic store at the same time?
radiant trail
i'd imagine it does
viral stratus
Coolio.
turbid needle
yes i think so!
i just used fated authority on a pom chamber and got another pom
nice
burnt rune
it was fate, after all
dense star
Man, Zeus attack Rail with explosive fire & shotgun is good, but also a lot of visual clutter
radiant trail
ok wow love guan yu
first guan yu run, its OP
really helped that i maxed it out before first use
was healing me for 6 on every heal
i didnt even try to dodge anything hades did because i was able to just all that health back very fast
quick spin and massive spin were a huge help though
bronze sorrel
how do I fish?
trim snow
patience
dreamy oxide
@bronze sorrel buy fishing pole for 1 diamond, clear room with fishing spot, pick up room reward, there will be a ding! in the background music to signal a fishing place somewhere in the room. walk up and press e (or whatever your select is) press e again when it legitimately goes under and isn't just faking you out
boom fish
(the last part i still struggle with)
woeful stirrup
@jaunty thicket You gotta buy Cerberus' rug. There's several options available.
jaunty thicket
Well that doesn't seem fair to him
burnt rune
you can buy him a ball too
woeful stirrup
The only thing that's unfair to him is that you're poor and/or prioritizing much less important contractor renovations ๐
bright plank
ive got a double chaos boon with move penalties
I'm moving at 14% movespeed
Help
burnt rune
mash that dashโข๏ธ
bright plank
basically the only way i can move
but im gonna come out of it with two 87% dash damage boons so
worth
boy i hope they stack
burnt rune
very much worth it
bronze sorrel
I bought him the treat jar and then it says he doesn't like them T_T
round stirrup
I just got a godlike run through a combination of Chiron's bow, the Daedalos upgrade increasing the number of special shots fired, a special fire rate increase, Poseidon's special upgrade, and the duo boon for Poseidon and Zeus that makes all the knockback effects strike lightning
It shredded Hades
I barely had to do anything, just fire a shot at him, run, and spam special
burnt rune
that's how good chiron runs go
round stirrup
i presume they're either godlike or utter trash
it was my first chiron run
so i have no clue
burnt rune
if you can't get a good special you can just play normal bow
obtuse ravine
verily
burnt rune
zeus only chiron is also neat
burnt rune
press one button and see like sixteen lighting bolts blasting everything
torn wasp
I was honestly surprised there's no way to view the fish you've caught before
burnt rune
my bigger issue atm is that if you deliver multiple fish there's no way to know which one gave each reward, specially if there's multiple fishes that give the same item but in different quantities
torn wasp
Yeah, here I'll edit it
round stirrup
its not that each fish gives different rewards, im pretty sure its random
fallow niche
I managed to learn what fish give what from experience now but yeah
@round stirrup No they do
burnt rune
though it was neat finding fish that reward diamonds
round stirrup
wait really?
torn wasp
Yeah, Hellfish always give me the least amount of gemstones
fallow niche
Fish in styx give gemstones I know for sure, and the fish in Chaos's place give Blood
burnt rune
yeah, fish from different areas give different stuff
fallow niche
I got a blood from the fish from Chaos before
burnt rune
ah, the chaos fish I got gave me a diamond
torn wasp
Woah
torn wasp
Then yeah there's gotta be a specific pool the game draws from
round stirrup
holy tartaurus, i need to pay granddaddy chaos a visit more often
burnt rune
probably each area has a couple of different items
fallow niche
I have only been able to fish at Chaos once
But Styx a ton of times, its a great gemstone farm
round stirrup
anyone know what fish gives nectar?
bright plank
regarding fish turnins; ||just got a titans blood for one||
livid comet
Mind if I interrupt with a question?
is there any point to giving more nectar beyond initial keepsake?
fallow niche
Yeah that's from Chaos @bright plank
@livid comet Different dialog
That's about it
burnt rune
what I am still not sure is that seems like your timing affects the fish?
torn wasp
Yes, @livid comet , there's things called Legendary Keepsakes for certain characters
round stirrup
there are other effects for leveling up relations i think
livid comet
huh.
fallow niche
It doesn't @burnt rune
burnt rune
so perfect catches are just for bragging rights?
fallow niche
I've caught like 3 fish at once before of all different types and the UI bugged itself to death
And Zag talked for 30 full seconds about fish
lmao
livid comet
I mean, it does, if you're too slow or fast you lose the fish
turbid needle
Perfect Catches can score you better fish.
round stirrup
i hope someone sets up a list of what fish gets what
round stirrup
also how do you get a perfect cast?
fallow niche
Yeah
round stirrup
catch*
last nacelle
And don't get baited by the bobbing. It has to actually go under.
round stirrup
i know that
round stirrup
ive never gotten a perfect catch though
fallow niche
What is a perfect catch?
burnt rune
I get baited by the PRESS BUTTON TO CATCH flash instead of the bobbing .-.
fallow niche
LMAO same when I first fished
shell trout
Besides the 2 locked doors that have been titillating for more than a year now, I hope the the gate to the pomegranate trees in the courtyard open at some point, maybe meet another shade that work around the Hades house like the contractor and the broker. The groundskeeper or gardener.
turbid needle
That still happens to me, WarRock
burnt rune
it's just timing as far as I can tell
round stirrup
so its almost random then
burnt rune
the closer you press to the bob going under, the better, but dunno
round stirrup
ah
fallow niche
But how do you even know its a perfect catch