h1-builds-and-combat

[normal sleet]

i heard the bell in styx but it was all the way at the bottom of charon's store once, so I almost thought I was hearing things

[stable fossil]

I lower it everytime I lose

[fallow niche]

plan to go higher after I finish checking new update stuff

[rugged estuary]

@finite grail Yeah it's just sad that your bloodstones keep getting lost somehow. I did the whole hades fight with only 4 because 3 of them disappeared permanently after my first shot

[normal sleet]

also no chaos last run so no chance to try fishing there again

[rancid shore]

there are fish in chaos?

[teal laurel]

I wish the next weapon is jsut cerberus

I just want to play as cerberus

NGL

[stable fossil]

I'm going to stream Max heat minus time constraint after I do a load of laundry

[bold bear]

Main attack: Middle head
Special: Right head
Cast: Left head

[manic dune]

good luck with that

[serene nexus]

Cerberus is probably going to be the next companion keepsake... Maybe

[bold bear]

What's he gonna do

Widdle on the enemies?

[rugged estuary]

Plot Twist, final companion going to be hades

[stable fossil]

@manic dune come watch me be bad

[finite grail]

No fish in chaos room as far as I can tell

[harsh leaf]

Hey guys do you know if its a bug that Demeters cast is not doubling when you take Dual Shot from Artemis?

[teal laurel]

you assume that I won't willingly suffer just to see cerberus being a good boi

[normal sleet]

I've gotten the ping once, but didn't screenshot it, I'll do that next time
sigh another run it is

[finite grail]

I think it is, just right under your current laser

So it’s not obvious

[burnt rune]

y'all have my sword, my spear and my bow to make the next weapon be cerberus

[junior shuttle]

yea sex is cool but have you ever had 2 chaos boons active at the same time

[stable fossil]

LOL

yes

I did 3 once

[manic dune]

@stable fossil lol where

[harsh leaf]

Yeah a threesome of chaos is all I have done as well

😄

I had all three active only for one room, but it was still fun

No, cast, no special and more enemies on 1 room 😄

[stable fossil]

@manic dune ontwitch let me set up Xsplit

[junior shuttle]

@harsh leaf thats lit

[harsh leaf]

It was in Asphodel, so I guess it was 😛

[teal laurel]

wait how does the chill explosion thingy work with hera bow

BTW

does it explode on cast load OR at the impact

[fierce iron]

The one that blasts chill when you use your cast?

[teal laurel]

yeah

[fierce iron]

It sets off an AoE around Zag kinda like a vegeance effect

so when all three of your casts activate at once, you'll have three waves of chill go off around you

or however many casts you have at that time

[teal laurel]

aroudn zag?

[manic dune]

it might trigger on load who knows

[teal laurel]

that's with hera bow right?

[fierce iron]

Correct

[teal laurel]

oh so you dont know the precise interaction?

[manic dune]

since load is technically "cast"

[fierce iron]

No I've used it before

when the casts activate after the bow shot hits, that's what counts as the cast

[teal laurel]

but the chill explosion activates around zag

not the area of impact?

[fierce iron]

On your position, not the impact

[teal laurel]

I see

how many explosions

only once

or one per cast loaded

[fierce iron]

One per cast used

so if you have 3 in your bow, you'll get 3 when they go off

[teal laurel]

DAMN

Sounds dumb

good way to apply priv status on hera bow

cause before it was kinda hard

[fierce iron]

At first I thought it was kind of silly because hitting targets from afar sounds like a better idea, but it gives you something for when enemies are up close too

plus multiple stacks of chill on anything near you

[teal laurel]

yeah sounds like cool tbh

[manic dune]

i don't think i've ever hit anything with this boon

[teal laurel]

pun not intended

[stable fossil]

@manic dune should be live I posted a link in self promotion going to finish my current run on spear then go to 40 heat

[junior shuttle]

i wish that if you get close enough with charon you would actually get discounts on some items that are for sale

[rancid shore]

You posted in feedback about gorgons over lava @rare coyote

Unsure if they'll address that in the future, but for now if you have the room, try to back up off screen; they might keep aggro on you and move forward off the lava

It's not very consistent but it's better than the risk if you have the opportunity to attempt this

[manic dune]

it's true the gorgons try to stay around a screen away from you

so if you push they back off

[rare coyote]

Yeah that's the workaround, thanks! Just a bit concerned for the time in case I need to turn on tight deadline

[hot ridge]

Hello i like Hades. I just have some qustion about new update.

Frist my my fated list dont have any new fates to fufill.

Second new legandary boon Winter harvest is forking on boses like Hades it is intendet or not?

After update i have stange conversation whit Dusa (i was ranking her liknes before update i hope to romace her) . I spoke whit her then she left thab i was able to pres E again i spoke to empty place. I this coversation she was givimg new companion keepsake which get from Nyx (but i didnt get this keep sake to my shelf) It was weird. I hope her keepsake i no lost forever.

[stray frigate]

@hot ridge new Companion not from nyx

and for the first - u must make some condition for prophecies

Nectar for demeter at least

[stable fossil]

@stray frigate Just started a 42 heat run to put my money where my mouth was

[hot ridge]

In convarsain Dusa is saing she got it from Nyx ehen she was clenig sorry for bad English

[stable fossil]

link to the stream is in self promotion

[stray frigate]

@stable fossil why 42?

and what does it mean?

put my money where my mouth was

[stable fossil]

everything but time constraint

[wooden panther]

To put "your money where your mouth is" means to follow through on something you said.

Basically to brag about something, and then do it.

[stray frigate]

@wooden panther it means prove ur words

by ur deeds?

[wooden panther]

Precisely

[stray frigate]

thx

[wooden panther]

No worries

[sturdy egret]

What is everyone's thoughts on the Aspect of Guan Yu after the recent hotfix?

Personally I think it's a lot of fun, but I'm not sure how good it is.

[stray frigate]

it's slow for me

and i just do not love Spear

[sturdy egret]

Yeah I get that. So far after about 60 runs bow is my favorite followed by spear.

[stray frigate]

@sturdy egret what aspect

[sturdy egret]

I just use Zagreus for both mostly.

I've used Chiron's a couple of times but it feels really bad if you don't get the boons for it.

[stray frigate]

i heard Zag spear become very strong this patch

[sturdy egret]

Yeah it feels really good now.

[stray frigate]

For the Chiron i usually use god trinkets to make it works

[sturdy egret]

Yeah I normally use Artemis when I use the bow. What gods would you say have the best boons for Chiron?

To me crit chance is just too good to pass up on.

[stray frigate]

@sturdy egret i prefer Ares or Dio on special

and Aphro on attack

insta Status

[sturdy egret]

Oh that makes sense.

[stray frigate]

and they both have great duo with Aphro

[sturdy egret]

I always forget about that mirror bonus.

I don't actually think I have gotten either of those duos yet lol.

[stray frigate]

but for ares u want some extra boons for doom

[sturdy egret]

Like the stacking one?

[stray frigate]

and longer

[sturdy egret]

Ah okay

[stray frigate]

for more stcking

and dio needs only Special and duo

much easier imo

[sturdy egret]

That sounds insane actually.

Gonna have to try that.

[stray frigate]

@sturdy egret but now i found Chaos aspect shield is better version of Chiron

Same build

with better result

[sturdy egret]

Oh wait that does sounds way better.

I haven't fully maxed Chaos aspect yet but when I do I'll try it out.

[stray frigate]

1st of all Shield can block everything

2nd - his special animation is WAY faster

[novel python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/669966102478192711/unknown.png I have left this run here since yesterday, before the patch happened. Should I keep playing it or just restart the run to get the patch going? I've just left Tartarus.

[stray frigate]

3rd - YOU CAN BLOCK EVERYTHING

4th - u dont need some hammer upgrade for shield it's already ok

[sturdy egret]

Yeah that's a lot of pros.

[stray frigate]

and dont forget 5th - YOU.CAN.BLOCK.EVERYTHING

[sturdy egret]

lol yeah the shield is pretty good.

That run looks pretty good to me

[stray frigate]

@novel python both are good

[novel python]

It's before the patch

Not sure if it'll change anything

If I get the new update

[sturdy egret]

I'm not sure how that works.

[stray frigate]

@novel python u go and see new Charon prices

[olive sand]

Hello, quick question from a new player: Athena offers me a "duo" boon right now. What is that?

[stray frigate]

@olive sand it is a boon which usually has effect of 2 gods

[burnt rune]

people were asking if Concentrated Fire keeps stacking the +1 bonus between reloads; it seems to me the bonus stops as soon as you stop shooting

[stray frigate]

@olive sand for exmaple Duo boon from Aphro and Dio make more poison stack for weaked enemies

Athena has... 3?

Ares

Zeus

Artemida

and

Aphro

4

[olive sand]

@stray frigate Ho, okay. Yeah, now you mention it, I can see the icon being separate between 2 colors. That boon is about slowing down projectiles.

[stray frigate]

@olive sand it's aphro duo

usually it's pretty good boons

[sturdy egret]

That boon is insane.

I thought that was Artemis/Athena

[olive sand]

Yeah, it's really tempting (not sure about I'm writing this right). : D

[sturdy egret]

It makes some fights a cake walk.

[stray frigate]

@sturdy egret HB before nerfs was

BEST THING IN GAME

add some boons for blade rift

and win just with cast

[sturdy egret]

Wait how did they nerf it?

[stray frigate]

less speed

[sturdy egret]

I had an insane run with them pre patch with Artemis and Ares legendary. Plus greater recall form hermes.

[stray frigate]

less hunting

[teal laurel]

what's a funny cast to meme with

[sturdy egret]

I literally did half of Hades' health with all of them casted once.

[teal laurel]

i clutched out a hera bow win

[zinc oasis]

Just got the boon who "level up" your boons
But it only leveled up 2 boons and then nothing. Is that normal?

[stray frigate]

@zinc oasis Euridice?

[teal laurel]

by doing poseidon rupture

[novel python]

@stray frigate you told me to check charon's prices

Boons are 200

[teal laurel]

artemis legendary

shotgun build

where I just hit random stuff

[zinc oasis]

@stray frigate no, Demeter

[teal laurel]

also demeter hates me

[rancid shore]

zeus cast and have fun trying to pick them up

[teal laurel]

I haven't seen her since the first match

[stray frigate]

i do not know much about her

[torn kayak]

Anyone noticed extra input delay on the new patch? Things feel a bit more sluggish than they did, but maybe it's just me.

[stray frigate]

@novel python same as usual?

[zinc oasis]

There is a boon, all your boons go to common and then it leveled up all 3 encounters
Strange thing is that all my boons get common but only 2 boons leveled up (the 2 I got before getting the "Farm" boon).
And then nothing, but still got only common boon

[turbid needle]

Wait, did someone imply that Hunting Blades still wasn't the best boon in the game?

[sturdy egret]

Demeter's boons seem kinda meh to me. Her duos are pretty neat though.

[teal laurel]

hunting bladdes is only good when you bladerift build

just like demeter lazor

[rancid shore]

We're pretty sure that's bugged @zinc oasis

[turbid needle]

It's excellent and ridiculously safe DPS. It's the shield in piercing Cast form.

[teal laurel]

huh

what other characters has good cast centered stuff

artemis and ??

[zinc oasis]

@rancid shore Oh OK, sad

[teal laurel]

exit wounds looks good tbh

[turbid needle]

Artemis is really the Cast Olympian, but Demeter has a boon that increases damage and damage resistance when you don't have any Bloodstones on you.

[inner inlet]

exit wounds is really good

[turbid needle]

Poseidon Aspect got Exit Wounds nerfed.

[sturdy egret]

It took me about 40 runs to finally find Exit Wounds.

[teal laurel]

well

its still good

[zinc oasis]

Scd thing, is it normal that it only level up boons 1 by 1? The text seems to say that ALL boons leveled up together

[turbid needle]

Oh, absolutely.

[teal laurel]

considering how constant exit wounds is with pos and hera

Lmao

[limber imp]

So crit guan yu spin is digusting

[teal laurel]

those are the only two builds that would build it

[lament coral]

Spin is disgusting if you have spin hammers and 2 stautses

otherwise, eh

[limber imp]

Had spin hammers, Aphro art duo, and priveldged status from aphrom cast + demeter on cast chill

[teal laurel]

aphro demeter zag aspect seems like a good meme

[limber imp]

I almost insta'd 3rd boss

I want to get a demeter dio seuz run

[teal laurel]

hera aspect dio zeus demeter might be good TBH

[limber imp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/409375380055523342/669972938933534778/unknown.png

[teal laurel]

chilled jolted and festive fog

with the cast explosion and empty casts stuff

[limber imp]

ice Wine + Scintillating Feast + Cold fusion sounds like a good meme

[teal laurel]

what is ice wine

[limber imp]

load it into the bow and go Delete whatever you aim at

demeter dio boon

After a brief delay, your Cast bursts and damages nearby foes.
Burst Damage: +50%

[hollow sorrel]

Wine made from grapes that were frozen on the vine

[teal laurel]

damn with scintillating feast sounds nuts

and jolted

[hollow sorrel]

I’ve legit had ice wine before

[teal laurel]

insta priv status

[limber imp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/essrjr/my_favourite_new_combo_hera_bow_with_ice_wine/

[hollow sorrel]

I think I’ve only had ice wine in Canada though. I’m not sure if the United States gets cold fast enough to reliably make ice wine

[kindred needle]

@zinc oasis I haven't seen a boon from Demeter that cultivates all boons. The option I saw was a number of random boons affected. Did you take any screenshots?

[zinc oasis]

Not taking screenshot, I will do more run later and do it

It was a boon that put all your boon to common (and the next to have) and then level up them

Maybe I just read it the wrong way?

[kindred needle]

For reference, here's the text I copied from my last run where I saw that option:

Rare Crop
Your Boons Become Common, then gain Rarity every 3 Encounter(s).
Random Boons Affected: 3

[zinc oasis]

Oh

It's this one

But there where no "Random boons affected"

[lament coral]

but there are

that's what the in-game description says

[kindred needle]

The first line of text is a little misleading; I did think the same as you until I double-checked it later.

[zinc oasis]

There is a lot of text that doesn't appeared in the French version (like the couldown of the item who make you invulnerable)

[lament coral]

X amount of your boons turn Common, and every 3 encounters their rarity goes up

all the way to Heroic

obviously, if you have only 1 boon, it'll only affect your 1 boon

[kindred needle]

Sounds like the localization needs another look, then!

[woeful stirrup]

Translations aren't complete, because translating everything before releasing would delay updates a lot.

[zinc oasis]

Yes! I will send a report next time I see it thanks!

[lament coral]

oh, this is a localization issue

my bad

[woeful stirrup]

Patroclus keepsake used to not have a cooldown, which is why the translation currently doesn't state anything about the cooldown.

[lament coral]

I read your feedback and thought you were confused by how the boon works

[zinc oasis]

The principal problem is not that it's not traduced, it's that the text doesn't doesn't appeared, even in his "original" form

Yeah so... I was xD

[heavy bough]

Say I wanna farm the hell out of resources for titan blood by using the trader. Is it really efficient if i do a base run fishing only for resources speeding thru my runs, or is it still more time cost effective to keep clearing at higher heat (at least until I start actually getting clapped)

[lament coral]

just have ~1000/1500 gold on hand by the time you reach Styx

and always take Money Bag somewhere

[wind vale]

i think its easy enough to do both the same time until you reach like 15 heat, maybe a bit less

[lament coral]

and don't touch the increased shop prices modifier

Chaos shield and Hestia rail are the easiest to farm with, though word of advice

you'll grow to hate the game if you keep using the same weapon over and over and over and over

and over

[heavy bough]

Oh yeah I switch it up but kinda in-line for that very reason I dont really like running an aspect that isn't maxed. i have one maxed for each wep which is nice but i need mad titan blood before I can fully unlock another one

[lament coral]

I did this on a rotation, changing the weapon after I win

[heavy bough]

so i was just wondering if base spam for resources + styx shop would land me faster blood to unlock all

and then have fun switching it up as I crank the heat

im kinda stingy on spending ambro as well for blood that's why im trying to go with the trader

[lament coral]

do you have companions yet?

[heavy bough]

even tho there's like not that much to spend it on atm and i dont think all companions are worth pushing

only 2 of 5

[lament coral]

who?

[heavy bough]

and i didn't max them

skelly and than

i heard skelly is trash

[lament coral]

ah, bummer

[heavy bough]

idk about than

[lament coral]

nah, he has his uses

I'm not a fan of Than and Meg's, they're too slow and narrow in application

get Sisyphus' if you can and max him right away

[heavy bough]

i guess they are their specific applications

[wind vale]

you can use skelly everywhere

[lament coral]

his is the most versatile companion in the entire game

[wind vale]

same as sisyphus

[heavy bough]

just hard to pick which to invest in with my ambro

ill aim for sisyphus first i think

[lament coral]

Shady is basically free 300 gold

[wind vale]

sisyphus is probably still the best but with the nerf to healing its not as op anymore imo

[heavy bough]

is it even worth to max the relationship after getting the companion? it still costs ambro but i dont see what i get out of it

except completions sake

[lament coral]

so if you're a bit short on cash in Styx, just do a tunnel and you'll have 300 gold

you get some dialogues, maybe more boning

[heavy bough]

alright just lore stuff

[lament coral]

they might add stuff in the future, like how Sisyphus got an extra heart in the winter patch

despite not having any locked hearts in the previous version

[heavy bough]

yeah i guess i'll have to weight my completionist ocd vs just being efficient cause it's a great resource for titan blood once i get what i need from companions

[lament coral]

I'm at 120 hours and I don't have everything maxed out

and I've been buying out Styx for well over 20 runs now

[wind vale]

im just glad i got nothing tracking my numbers 😉

[heavy bough]

Yeah I don't see this being 100% able under like 200 hours min

[lament coral]

nah, you probably could

either way, if you enjoy it, go for it

I like the gameplay so far

unlike something like Slay the Spire or Dead Cells, which I got sick of in the first 20 or so hours but kept pushing on

[heavy bough]

i 100% will get tired of the game before i do that i guess, who knows lol. thats why i should get more aspects instead of spending diamonds on useless music

[lament coral]

miserable experience, really

[heavy bough]

yeah i have yet to try dead cells, slay the spire is nice but its more like a relax game imo

when im eating and like i cant play hades at the same time type of option

[hearty owl]

did hades become stronger or is it just me?

[lament coral]

too much RNG bull in STS for my liking, especially with Ascension

yeah, they changed some of his moves

he no longer does the wave after summoning vases

and they deal a lot of damage and have bigger pools

[heavy bough]

oh one more curiosity, maybe there's a video that covers this but i cant find it clear on paper on the wiki. what are like "hidden" mechanics that you can manipulate. like i know about tier 1 & 2 to fish for legendary etc. And needing that 2x gods for a chance to proc a duo boon, but what under like hidden mechanics are there to influence the game? Maybe selling boons on purpose? Replacing boons? (They always seem to be one rarity higher)

[native ether]

I really dislike how Olympians grow displeased with you when you have to choose one in the chambers where there two. It makes the olympians feel really childish. Not only because they are so easy to piss off apparently (like children), but also because they stop being pissed off right after, it doesn't feel mature at all. I know it's primarily a game mechanic and it that regard it makes sense, but I dislike it narratively very much. I have less respect for each olympian that cries like a baby in those moments.

This honestly describes the Olympians super well. The Olympians are not what I would call "mature and rational beings of supreme power"

They're fickle and honestly a tad childish at times.

[graceful vault]

Seriously

I read that and was like... but that's exactly how they should be

[heavy bough]

Yeah they give that vibe before even getting "slighted" it seems in-line with their character

[obsidian abyss]

yeah I like them a lot the way they are. I wish they would get more characterization tho

[lament coral]

there isn't anything hidden as far as I know

taking Erebus/Chaos gate skips a room

[native ether]

Yeah same lol. That's basically the verbatim definition of the Olympians. They're not gods as in things to be respected out of their outstanding morals, but because they're human with power beyond belief and have the ability to smite you at a moment's notice. They aren't known for being the pinnacle of virtuous beings :p

[lament coral]

well, I say skips but it doesn't skip, it just replaces it

so if you don't like your exit options or don't wanna fight, you can take Erebus for 3 guaranteed exits or Chaos to avoid fighting

[heavy bough]

so i guess besides the tier 1- tier 2 thing there isnt really any other little quirks worth keeping in mind while fishing for stuff?

[formal wyvern]

The wiki mentions 5 companions but only shows 4 of them. What is the fifth one?

[lament coral]

Dusa's

it's like a mini dusa of your own, shoots projectiles that petrify enemies

haven't used it myself yet but I'd assume it doesn't work against Hades, same as Meg and Than's

[heavy bough]

man just remembering to use the companions tho

[formal wyvern]

Oh okay

[heavy bough]

i always forget lmao

like after finally unlocking them i dont register that its a thing

especially since its once a run for me til i upgrade

[lament coral]

yep, it's not super obvious

[burnt rune]

I am making a point of using it against Hydra to make the fight go faster when it invokes the heads for the 2nd time

[formal wyvern]

They should add a romance and companion for artemis 🤗

[burnt rune]

But keep forgetting to summon vs Theseus

[stable fossil]

Alright if anyone is still interested I am running 40 heat runs

[heavy bough]

Than for hydra could be nice

[native ether]

There are more than enough sources of Darkness as is: the weapon bonus, unavoidable Darkness rooms, from bosses you've already beaten, Infernal Troves, fish, not to mention Broker's dailies that award you hundreds of Darkness. Darkness boon reward is the last thing you wanna see when sacrificing your HP for a Chaos boon. If the purpose of that boon is to give some synergy to Nyx's Shawl, then perhaps the keepsake itself should be buffed instead of making Chaos' pool of boons worse.```

Please no. Farming Fated Authority 7 is already hard enough with Chaos Eclipse in the game :p (as well as basically every level)

[stable fossil]

I am streaming it

[heavy bough]

if the heads are near

[lament coral]

I kept forgetting to heal or get gold off Shady before beating Hades for the first 10 hours or so

just went out with all 5 charges still intact

don't worry though, you learn to use your companions real quick once the heat goes up

[burnt rune]

if it wasn't for the invencibility bosses have, max art call + meg/than summon would finishing things so fast <o>

[lament coral]

@native ether you really care so much about that trash?

it's an obvious darkness sink, just like customization fluff before the winter patch

[native ether]

Trash? You mean what guarantees I get the exact build I want in every run?

[lament coral]

5000 gems for a pillar

[tired pivot]

How much does Fated Authority 7 cost?

[native ether]

20000

6 is 10000

[lament coral]

and there's a level after

[tired pivot]

Jesus

[native ether]

I believe Fated 10 is 100000

[stray frigate]

165k at all

afaik

[lament coral]

so you see, it's pointless

[tired pivot]

Personally I don't care though because I don't use Fated Authority much.

[lament coral]

and frankly, I'd rather have Chaos boons that help me win the run with 32 heat than worthless darkness

[burnt rune]

"guarantees"

[tired pivot]

I don't care for the Darkness boon either.

[stray frigate]

@tired pivot on higher heatit's much usefull

[lament coral]

it's bad enough you can get darkness from the shop

just taking up a slot that could've been something useful

[native ether]

Yeah when you're at 32 Heat you're really wanting that 7th reroll

[lament coral]

I'm on hell, I don't get any rerolls aside from keys' ones

[native ether]

When you're in Styx and out of rerolls and scored 2 Poseidon boons

[stray frigate]

@native ether mb yes mb not but u dont rly want Coins

[native ether]

That too, I reroll coins a lot

[finite grail]

next update is supposed to bring some new options for darkness too, think it’s in the roadmap

[native ether]

I even reroll Darkness rooms into Nectar or Gems

[tired pivot]

How is it useful on high heat?

[burnt rune]

I would sink 50k darkness to remove coins and darkness from the pool instead of having rerolls tbqh

[native ether]

very useful

[lament coral]

I saw that, but I don't believe they'll rework in-run darkness, only the meta one

[burnt rune]

not gems yet because I am still farming that lmao

[lament coral]

so probably just a persistent option to convert darkness into gems

[stray frigate]

gems???

rly?

[lament coral]

well, what else?

[finite grail]

yeah I’m just saying if the meta options are good enough you might change your mind

[stray frigate]

darkness mean HP

[burnt rune]

I care about making the house pretty

[lament coral]

you can turn gems into keys, keys into nectars, and so forth

[stray frigate]

Keys means more reroll

and in high heat u do not care about House

u care about run

imo

[lament coral]

it's 5 HP

I'd rather have a nectar to buff my common boon

[burnt rune]

why would you spend one room to get into key to get a reroll instead of just using a reroll on key right away

[stray frigate]

still more usefull

Nectar is ok

Key is ok

Darkness is not so much but ok

HP is da best

imo

[lament coral]

HP as in, the heart?

[stray frigate]

y

[lament coral]

the heart is a separate pool

[royal coral]

@burnt rune so you can reroll a golden room and get some good boon

[lament coral]

it's from the gold laurel, same as boons, gold etc.

[stray frigate]

well yes

[lament coral]

you can't reroll darkness/gems/keys/nectar into a heart

[stray frigate]

but i mean if i choose coin or hp

[lament coral]

ah, yes

[burnt rune]

personally I prefer to get a boon right away, but that's just me

[limber imp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/409375380055523342/669983111345340426/unknown.png well this combo is as silly as it seems

[tired pivot]

Is the time limit Heat even doable at high levels with high heat?

[lament coral]

yes

[native ether]

Being able to reroll rooms is what basically guarantees I can get the boons I want to win runs. Rerolling the miniboss on Tartarus gives me a combo I actually want rather than being stuck with 2 gods that have no duos

[burnt rune]

dang, I've been trying to get Ice Wine + Scintillating Feast

[tired pivot]

2 min?

[native ether]

I think max heat is impossible. 32 with timer I think is but it's very chance based.

[full flame]

@lament coral are you speaking of cast builds regarding prioritizing Chaos boons? I feel like in general, especially non-cast builds, the Chaos boons are some of the worst in the game at high heat

[lament coral]

doable with Hestia rail however you want, doable with Chaos Shield if you get the right boons

[royal coral]

@limber imp yikes

[limber imp]

Hit ice wine on my last boon

[royal coral]

Do you need the demeter cast to get the duo ?

[burnt rune]

Chaos giving +attack and +dash attack plus whatever attack boon with Serrated Edge tho'

[native ether]

Serrated Edge is busted on Guan Yu

[burnt rune]

@royal coral nope, dem cast is needed for the dem/art duo

[native ether]

Demeter on Guan Yu primary plus Serrated Edge led to me one shotting almost every enemy through Asphodel and 2 shotting almost every enemy in Elysium.

[lament coral]

@full flame attack and special depend on the weapon, cast is obviously always good if you're going for em, HP is good, gold is eh, dash seems bad to me but I've never done a serious dash build, defiance is always good; darkness though, what does it do aside from feeding your mirror?

[waxen imp]

http://puu.sh/F2NzB/e63362f8b1.jpg this was me a few days ago

[burnt rune]

Demeter with Serrated Edge is silly

[native ether]

Hunter Dash made it even better

[lament coral]

I assume it's supposed to empower Nyx's shawl but then, why not just buff the shawl itself?

[waxen imp]

3x dps

[native ether]

Darkness feeds your mirror. That's literally the entire purpose. It also empowers Nyx's Shaw to do stupid healing.

Buffing Nyx's Shaw is unnecessary cause it's already super good

[lament coral]

you use it often?

be honest

[native ether]

It's a 20 health heal + fountain after Furies, + 40 Hydra, + 60 on Theseus

No I don't but I don't have to use it to see it's potential usefulness. I just take god keepsakes.

[lament coral]

I've used it 3 times to level up, that's it

[full flame]

i dunno, i actively avoid chaos gates in high heat, feel like they are not worth the trouble at all; especially since you can potentially miss out on olympian god boons which hurts build progression

[native ether]

Ironically I do the opposite. I aggressively take Chaos Gates. One less room to clear for the Timer.

[burnt rune]

early chaos is always great

[lament coral]

depends on the weapon

[burnt rune]

on elysium depends

[lament coral]

I usually don't take em if I'm playing rail with Zeus attack

cause all I want is poms and more Zeus, and now a bit of Demeter

[full flame]

lol elysium is the only place i would consider it due to time being an issue there

[limber imp]

https://streamable.com/050to

Ice wine + Feast

[burnt rune]

chaos also means free reroll so sometimes I take it if there's no boons tbh

[native ether]

What do you mean by free reroll

[full flame]

tartarus and asphodel are not a problem for time and it's better to prioritize god boon progression so you hit your power spikes

[burnt rune]

like, it's technically not a reroll, but if I have to pick between coin and chaos, I go chaos to not spend time, not take damage and maybe get a boon room instead of coin room

[native ether]

But unless you're running No Choice there's typically an option thats worth it from Chaos that doesn't ruin your run. Eclipse is nice for grinding the mirror much faster.

It's also very nice if you haven't beaten the game yet cause one run with Eclipse can help you fill out so much of the mirror earlier rather than later.

And ofc double darkness with the nyx keepsake means basically a full heal after every a boss

[full flame]

except you do take damage

[native ether]

So for Chaos, be aware that it does take up one of your room slots.

It will skip an entire room

[full flame]

damage is literally one of the costs of going to chaos gate

[burnt rune]

I know, still better than not getting a boon

[native ether]

Meaning your 15 long Tartarus became a 14 long one

[burnt rune]

eh, it's like 15 damage since you get free +6 healing, and since I prioritize it on Tartarus, that is going to get healed anyway

[full flame]

the rooms coming out of chaos are almost always blue laurels i've found

[burnt rune]

the damage is what gives me pause on elysium some times

before that I don't think it's a big deal

[full flame]

+6 healing?

where are you getting +6 healing?

[burnt rune]

+3 when going to chaos, +3 going to the next room because of the mirror

[slate crane]

question what is a perfect clear?

[full flame]

oh i see what you're saying

[burnt rune]

perfect clear is not taking damage, IIRC

[full flame]

i wouldn't call it free, again you're still taking damage

you get that healing no matter what in every room

[wind vale]

you get +3 healing since you would get the other +3 anyways

unless you are at max

[burnt rune]

well, yeah, my point is that 15 damage on tartarus is not a big deal at all

even on asphodel depending on your heat

[native ether]

It's honestly not even in Elysium

Especially because if you play with Timed Deadline, good luck getting through Elysium before you run out of time.

[burnt rune]

what

[full flame]

in my opinion, god boons, and resources, are top priority early, because the faster your progress your build, the less you struggle in elysium where time really matters

[burnt rune]

I just said I am bad at dodging, bot

[native ether]

god boons and hammers are a "grab as soon as possible"

[burnt rune]

well, I don't play timed deadline ever, so there's that

[full flame]

there's so much randomness in what you might get out of Chaos, worsened still by the fact that the boon you might want from there might be paired with curse you absolutely can't take

[burnt rune]

at best chaos will give you more damage, at worst more health than a single heart

[regal nimbus]

https://i.imgur.com/GnHEGIC.jpg

since spread fire cant be combiend with ammo upgrades i took the standard weapon, this build did crazy amounts of damage

[burnt rune]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full flame]

yeah, I'm referring primarily to high heat runs, where you're on timed deadline

[regal nimbus]

+legendary crit boon

[stray frigate]

@burnt rune and sometimes it gives u cast damage and more bloodstones for Chiron

[regal nimbus]

+crit damage

[burnt rune]

(defiance chaos is a lie that does not exist, don't try to tell me otherwise)

[stray frigate]

@burnt rune i saw a guy

he had 2 Chaos DD in a row IN A SINGLE RUN

[native ether]

Usually Chaos offers something that at least won't hurt you. Though I typically do not take Chaos on gold laurel rooms unless:

• There's a miniboss and I'm playing with Extreme Measures and Middle Management (especially Elysium)
• The gold reward is a Pom and I have no need for it.

[stray frigate]

[burnt rune]

cheater, I tell you

obviously cheat engine'ing the heck out of the game

[native ether]

The rate was increased this patch :p

[stray frigate]

@burnt rune there is no rly sense for more DD

esp when u have 2-3

only to finish prophecy

[burnt rune]

chaos boon prophecy is the only not pact related prophecy I have not finished lol

[stray frigate]

@burnt rune i had only spear lol

now i have Lute and Demeter

and spear

http://prntscr.com/qry7u7

what a hard choice

[full flame]

i finished maxing out all weapon aspects last night, i don't know what to do now 😟

[atomic panther]

Chaos every time

[stray frigate]

@full flame 32 heat with every

[full flame]

ugh

[stray frigate]

@atomic panther i still want special upgrade for Chiron

[atomic panther]

I'd still say Chaos

[burnt rune]

I decided to not max any other aspects, will save any future blood for the new weapon and new aspects lol

[stray frigate]

y i choosed him too

[atomic panther]

Them

[full flame]

here's the thing about Chaos, there's an opportunity cost

[burnt rune]

ok, so, hear me out
demeter aspect for the sword or shield
transforms your dash attack into ice skating

[full flame]

taking Chaos increases the chances of missing out on a god boon, which can lead to not getting a key duo/legendary

no chaos buff is worth more than a duo/legendary

[atomic panther]

Taking Chaos also yields a potential +75% Obols

Which wins out imo

[full flame]

every gold laurel boon reward you take out of the pool, increases your chances of getting your desired boon in progression

[lament coral]

taking Chaos doesn't make you lose anything

you're just not taking the other doors offered

if the doors offered were meta rewards, you just skipped meta rewards

that's it

you're not forced to take Chaos, just like you're not forced to take Erebus

it's just another option and, in most cases, it's better than meta rewards

[burnt rune]

taking Chaos increases the chances of missing out on a god boon, which can lead to not getting a key duo/legendary
what?

how does it increases the chance of missing a god boon

[stray frigate]

@burnt rune extra exit?

[lament coral]

you could get up to 3 exits from Chaos

Elysium only offers 1-2, Asphodel up to 3

[stray frigate]

god trial Ares or Athena?

[lament coral]

ranged weapon?

[full flame]

it's one less room reward typically, it very often leads to skipping a mini-boss which are your only guaranteed god boon rewards

[stray frigate]

Chiron yes

[lament coral]

ah, you can take either one then

[atomic panther]

Pick Athena. Invulnerability is way too frustrating to deal with

[lament coral]

I'd take Athena

in case it spawns chariots

[burnt rune]

^

[full flame]

the only time i ever prioritizing chaos gates in high heat is with cast builds, bc an extra bloodstone is worth it

otherwise chaos gates are a novelty for low heat, or just grinding darkness

[lament coral]

+50% attack with World Splitter sword is 45 damage

and you can get em multiple times

[full flame]

that's not worth, at all

[turbid needle]

found a pretty neat combo!

[full flame]

the point is that with a cast build, a bloodstone is an entire extra cast, full damage

[native ether]

Dash Strike builds work well for Chaos as well. Chaos has high rolls on "Dash Strikes do more damage"

[turbid needle]

Adamant rail + Artemis arrow cast on attack

[full flame]

on top of chances of getting a minor +cast damage

[turbid needle]

it's like having twice as much pew

[native ether]

You mean with Support Fire? Yeah it's great

[lament coral]

ok, you don't like damage

you must recognize the value of + max HP at least

[burnt rune]

now get hermes +attack speed and see support fire covering your screen

[lament coral]

30? 70? delicious

[native ether]

Yeah gotta also hand it to Chaos. He can offer up to 50 bonus health. Double a heart.

[full flame]

with the damage from chaos being additive, it's not worth because it doesn't scale well

[lament coral]

you can offer more than 50

[atomic panther]

Zagreus Aspect rail + Flurry Fire + Swift Strike + Support Fire = Glorious, glorious mayhem

[native ether]

It's like having a free bonus boon on your boon. I hardly think that's bad even though it's not additive

[lament coral]

well, not the current Support Fire

unless it's Epic or Heroic

[native ether]

Support Fire got rebuffed. Rare was 14 last night

[turbid needle]

Aaaaaaand i just ran in to tisiphone, oof

[lament coral]

oh, they fixed it?

nice

[burnt rune]

yeah, support fire is back

[native ether]

Check the patch notes :p

Explosive Fire is also back

[turbid needle]

support fire is pretty clutch with it upgraded to level 5 like i have, deals more damage than my rail

[lament coral]

I saw some kinda weird burst fire hammer on a stream

is that the new Infinity?

[native ether]

Delta Chamber, and yep

[burnt rune]

seeing support fire increase one damage when leveling up was so sad

[native ether]

Delta Chamber has infinite ammo but with a highly accurate 3 round burst.

[lament coral]

it still seemed faster than reloading, so Zag aspect it still garbage

[native ether]

(4 rounds with a dash)

I've played around with it. I thought it was weak until I got Epic Hermes Attack Speed

Then it felt pretty decent

[lament coral]

did you have Zeus attack?

that's my go to for attack rail

[native ether]

Nope. Demeter.

[lament coral]

ah, nah

[turbid needle]

now do just meet...alecto is the third one right?

[lament coral]

% scaling doesn't work well with attack rail

you want Zeus' flat damage

[native ether]

Depends

[full flame]

Concentrated Fire was the bone thrown to Zag aspect

[native ether]

Demeter is great cause Arctic Blast

Concentrated Fire is neat but it's definitely weak

[lament coral]

Zeus has jolt

[burnt rune]

It doesn't feel like enough damage

specially since you have to stand still to unload enough bonus

(and it's still low)

[full flame]

yeah, it's not really

[lament coral]

though, I guess blast can be procced faster with a faster attack

[stray frigate]

@burnt rune mb add doom on attack and doom stacking

[burnt rune]

you are still better off applying hangover or something

[lament coral]

but then again, Zeus and Dem have a duo boon that makes jolt last forever

and not expire after attacking

[burnt rune]

@stray frigate well, yeah, but then there's no point to having concentrated fire in the first place

[stray frigate]

yes mb

[lament coral]

shame about Artemis attack/special though

they reduced crit % but didn't increase % damage

[native ether]

Jolt is meh. It's not consistent damage. Slow is a defensive option, ntm slow basically counteracts Overtime.

[lament coral]

don't even know if she's worth taking over Aphrodite now

[burnt rune]

jolt is pretty useful with the dem duo imo

[native ether]

Yeah it's better with that

[burnt rune]

bosses are attacking all the time anyway

[reef stream]

Are people still saying that the Demeter cast is bad?

[native ether]

Defensive debuffs are good lol. Not to mention the decay boon gives Demeter really high boss damage.

[lament coral]

because it is bad

[full flame]

it is

[burnt rune]

well, it is

[reef stream]

It literally just carried me through a run

[lament coral]

and I had it leveled up with Artemis duo

[full flame]

any other cast is better

[native ether]

Get the Artemis duo. Changes your mind instantly.

[burnt rune]

any cast focused build will fare better with every other cast

[lament coral]

no, it really doesn't

[burnt rune]

if it needs a duo to be usable...

[full flame]

Aretemis/Ares duo is insanely better

[burnt rune]

^

[full flame]

especially since you can buff blades with other boons

[stray frigate]

@full flame even if it was nerfed?

[lament coral]

you could have nothing but Artemis cast, and at the same level as Demeter's it'd do more damage, faster, and in a far more consistent fashion

[burnt rune]

even poseidon/dem duo is better than pure dem

[final fox]

dio/demeter duo is better, dio/zeus dio is better, poseidon/dem duo is better

[onyx kestrel]

poseidem

[lament coral]

basically, Dem cast bad

[native ether]

I view it like Slicing Shot

[full flame]

@stray frigate yes, it's AoE damage, and there's still boons that can buff them insanely strong

[native ether]

Bad without it's duo. Really good with it.

[lament coral]

the duo tracking speed should be its normal speed

[burnt rune]

dem cast is cool, but doesn't do enough to be worth it

like that they are experimenting with other styles of casts

[full flame]

if Demeter cast pierced or added chill, it might make it worth

[lament coral]

and the duo should pierce and increase damage

[burnt rune]

or give each tick crit chance

[lament coral]

you mean take Pressure Points

done

[burnt rune]

why not both

[onyx kestrel]

make each tick proc support fire :^)

[rugged estuary]

@full flame I agree - I just tried it for the first time and was surprised it did neither

[lament coral]

just get 10 casts and proc it

4Head

[burnt rune]

ten casts 0_0

[rugged estuary]

I've had 9 temporarily at best

[atomic panther]

Time was you could get 13

[lament coral]

easily accomplished with Artemis' legendary, Chaos' casts and well's item

[final fox]

demeter's cast should chill
literally every other cast has some kind of unique god-themed flavour mechanic; zeus's cast bounces, athena's cast deflects, artemis's cast homes and crits
demeter's cast just does damage, and not much of it

[wanton raptor]

Okay.

I rerolled a door three times.

[stiff stone]

give some feedback on it guys

[wanton raptor]

And i got Poseidon three times.._.

[lament coral]

it's so painfully obvious though

[stiff stone]

i made a post about it, but the more the merrier

[kindred needle]

I'm kind of surprised Demeter's cast doesn't radiate a chill zone like her Call does.

[lament coral]

you play for 30 minutes with it and it's bad

[burnt rune]

on what, the dem cast? everybody already said it since the big patch dropped

[stiff stone]

yea the dem cast

ah gotcha

[burnt rune]

as far as I'm concerned dio/dem cast is the true dem cast

[lament coral]

^

[hot ember]

Yeah already said it's weak

[lament coral]

I think Dio/Dem cast is bugged though

[reef galleon]

|| Hades || stuck in a corner and I just stood and damaged him until he died.........

[hot ember]

It just needs more default turn speed and it'd be fine

[lament coral]

it deals burst damage instantly instead of after a delay

[hot ember]

Have the duo instantly lock onto monsters or something. Now that'd be nutty.

[versed ibex]

is it just me or does Ice Wine not play well with the Hera aspect?

[lament coral]

Dio cast works fine with Hera

don't see why Wine wouldn't

[versed ibex]

yeah, but ice wine has a delay and it feels like I'm not getting all the damage on enemies as I should

[burnt rune]

a lot of things don't play well with Hera
like gorgon heads flying to the bounds of the screen <o>

[lament coral]

well, that's easily verified by doing the math and shooting the enemy

and looking at the numbers

[versed ibex]

lol doing the math 😂

[lament coral]

yeah, what is this, 4th grade?

[versed ibex]

I'll try to pay more attention but the Theseus battle had both of them leaving the area of effect before it exploded for damage

[lament coral]

who needs the multiplication table when you can just crit for 1.5k

it explodes instantly

the damage is added to the initial boom, for some reason

so if you have a 100 damage cast, with Wine you will be dealing 150 the moment it lands

instead of dealing 100 and then 50 a moment later

[versed ibex]

hmm... okay. I have no idea what my current damage numbers actually are

[lament coral]

I'm sure of it because that's how it worked for me yesterday, showing a single damage number for the cast, with both Fog and Wine's damage as one

I'm not gonna report it though

[versed ibex]

ok. I believe you, I was just not happy to see them escaping the burst

but if they don't take damage during it anyway, whatever

[lament coral]

something good came out of Dem, I'm keeping it

[full flame]

i had a weird run last night, kept giving me Dem

[atomic mist]

Does anyone know if the triple shot and chain shot upgrades for the bow synergize? I had this combo on a run earlier today and couldn't figure out if the 2 extra shots bounced off as well.

[full flame]

ended up with 8 Dem boons, plus Ice Wine

[lament coral]

only the middle arrow bounces, I believe

same deal as Chaos shield with extra special bounces hammer

[stray frigate]

@lament coral not sure

[fallen quarry]

In case it hasn't been patched, don't grab chain shot and explosive shot.

[atomic mist]

Ah well, thanks for the confirmation. It'd be nice if there was a synergy though

[lament coral]

I could be wrong though, just going off Chaos' interaction

[stray frigate]

@lament coral need to test(

[lament coral]

it would've been nice if that bouncing attack hammer was part of Zagreus bow instead

10% crit on attack does nothing

[full flame]

yeah

[fallen quarry]

I prefer zag bow

[full flame]

3% damage is meh

[lament coral]

truly? Over both Chiron and Hera?

[versed ibex]

no, there's definitely a delay for the cast damage with ice wine

[fallen quarry]

Yeah, I run it on 32 great

[atomic mist]

I almost always use Chiron. I just like it too much

[lament coral]

you got videos?

I'd love to see that

[fallen quarry]

Actually looking into what to use to record

[lament coral]

OBS

https://obsproject.com/

[versed ibex]

I'm not recording. I just played it. it's not a huge delay but it's not instant either

[fallen quarry]

Hopefully my comp can handle it alright

[lament coral]

I tried Hera but the casts kept bugging out

disappearing, or extra shards appeared

that was before the patch, though

[full flame]

I don't like Hera at all

[stray frigate]

@atomic mist Chaos shield is better version of Chiron bow

[lament coral]

it's kinda like Poseidon without the extra cast damage

[full flame]

doesn't feel like it adds enough

the extra cast damage is what makes Poseidon worth it though

and the instant removal of stones for bosses

[lament coral]

yeah, I hear you

[full flame]

with a bow, you still have to go retrieve stones since you're trying to stay at ranged anyways, unless you get hermes legendary

and it's an extra click for the cast damage since you have to shoot still after clicking for each cast

[atomic mist]

How does Demeter cast work with Hera bow anyway? Just shoots out the crystals and that's it?

[lament coral]

yep

in other words, it doesn't work with it

[atomic mist]

Yeah, figured as much. /How does it work? It doesn't.

[full flame]

if Hera was the opposite, added a power shot to each cast, that might be something interesting to play around with

[lament coral]

me and @crimson geyser had a chat a couple of days ago, and one of ideas was for weapons to have an extra trait be unlocked at level 5

in Hera's case, it was supposed to cause all but 1 cast to dislodge immediately

like Poseidon, but you don't need to get personal with fools

and one of the casts stays in for the regular Hera cast duration, allowing you to deal extra damage while the cast is in thanks to the mirror upgrade

a win-win

[atomic mist]

That's a pretty good idea. Doesn't work with festive fogs and such though

[lament coral]

yeah, but those are already hella potent

you get to deliver that big AOE in one shot

doesn't matter against single targets, of course; Artemis cast is still king in that area

[atomic mist]

Hera slicing shot is kinda bad though. One of my worst runs still

[lament coral]

what's that?

[atomic mist]

Ares cast I mean

[burnt rune]

if I could have an extra trait on Hera I want to be able to pull the casts stones while pressing reload or while shooting special

and yeah, ares on hera looks funny but sucks

[stray frigate]

@lament coral i do not lke it too Cus ares cast with hera too fast comes through enemy

cus it starts to late

[lament coral]

but it just spawns the blade on impact

it doesn't lodge

[stray frigate]

Center of the rift

[lament coral]

I, uh, don't follow

[stray frigate]

so it start to move and come through rly fast

[burnt rune]

You can release the shot earlier to have it spawn before the enemy, but it's not worth it at all

[lament coral]

but that's an issue with Hera and Ares cast

the level 5 trait wouldn't affect that

[stray frigate]

it's not about lvl of hera

it's just about hera with Ares

[lament coral]

oh, ok

[stray frigate]

Ares cast can hit only 2-3 times

with it

[lament coral]

you need hunting blades

[stray frigate]

well yes i do

[burnt rune]

another trait: allow hera to have 2 cast boons, one for attack, one for special 👀

[stray frigate]

bit it's not easy to get with such slow build

[lament coral]

that wouldn't work mechanically

and why would you wanna put a shard into your special?

[burnt rune]

why wouldn't it work

there's an extra button

[lament coral]

oh, reload?

[burnt rune]

yeah

[lament coral]

alright, but why?

[burnt rune]

why not

would be fun

[full flame]

which special arrow gets the cast?

[burnt rune]

having 8 zeus casts bouncing around at once

[lament coral]

her special is a regular wide arrow burst

[full flame]

multiplying casts on every special arrow would just be broken

[lament coral]

it'd just cause the middle arrow to deliver the shards

[full flame]

doesn't make sense

[burnt rune]

or just being able to shoot two damage sources before recovering each stone

[lament coral]

yeah, it wouldn't amplify each special arrow

just like how it doesn't work with triple attack

or dual attack

[burnt rune]

like, it would be interesting, obviously would have to be carefully implemented

but that's is also true for guan yu, for instance

[full flame]

unless it was implemented like cluster bombs, where whatever bonus each special arrow got was reduced by a percent

[burnt rune]

but it's not going to happen anyway

[versed ibex]

what does this mean? on the victory screen: "disciple of Hermes"

[lament coral]

Guan's a special case though, going from bad to potentially busted in a day

means you took all 3 Hermes boons available

which is the max amount of Hermes boons you can have

[rancid shore]

you can get something similar with chaos "scion of chaos"

[atomic mist]

Ohh neat. I'll delete my comment then. Are there any other titles?

[lament coral]

I would imagine there are titles for getting each god's legendary

Zeus' follower, Poseidon's bro etc.

Aphrotiddy's lover

[atomic mist]

I'm pretty sure I got Poseidon's legendary and didn't get anything special. Maybe I just didn't see it?

[lament coral]

just guessing here

I've only seen Hermes and Chaos myself

[full flame]

or you could get no title and have it say "Happy Centennial" 😄

[grand idol]

Man I really don't know what it is. I don't think I've cleared a run since the patch.

[full flame]

the difficulty was definitely increased, if that was their goal, they succeeded

but it doesn't feel good

[livid oak]

Tanathos give any legendary thing?

[rancid shore]

||yes||

[livid oak]

@stray frigate

[stray frigate]

http://prntscr.com/qrz1o5

@livid oak Tomatos?

yes he does

Tomatos Meg Skelly Zag Sisyphus and Dusa

not my best run

missing so much good thing

[atomic mist]

lol why do you call him 🍅 ?

[full flame]

wait, Zag?

[stray frigate]

no stacking Doom no hammer for special

but Athena ftw!!!

[full flame]

@stray frigate why is Zag in that list?

[atomic mist]

Zag can now romance himself. Confirmed

[rancid shore]

self love

[stray frigate]

no idea lol

[full flame]

lol

[stray frigate]

Zag is his own legendary keepsake i guess

Can summon itself

to be himself

logic?

[full flame]

that was my good laugh for the day

[turbid needle]

nine attempts in: made it to the final fight twice! 😮

guess that's pretty good? considering i only have the lowest six dark mirror benefits

[stray frigate]

u r good

now kill him

[turbid needle]

i have one question regarding DEAR OLD DAD
that big sweep he does, seems there's a wedge behind him that he doesn't hit, is it better to dash behind him than to try and escape his radius? because it seems i still get clipped if i try to flee even with double dash 🤔

i may try to experiment with that

because that triple sweep, that's a LOT of damage in a BIG area in a quick succession

[stray frigate]

@turbid needle u r able just to avoid damage

dashing in good moment

[stable fossil]

@turbid needle is your name a ToraToraTora joke?

Because I feel like that's a very Zag joke to make.

[solid cairn]

Zag spear is amazing

[turbid needle]

Nope it's an acronym
That One Gal Andi
Plus I loved the movie animal house and the TOGA party quote :p

so i put two and two together
there's no party like a TOGA party

though a lot of people make the tora joke as well 🤔 i should get an actual toga and olive wreath for when i start streaming

[stable fossil]

Zagreus walks out the Temple "Toga Toga Toga"
Hades: What is this nonsense boy?

[olive sand]

Hello. I would like to know if it's a good idea to exchange some Ambrosia to get more keys? I can't spend darkness anymore and I need more keys to unlock abilities. But I'm not sure if it's worth it to exchange ambrosia to get more keys.

[stray frigate]

@olive sand no

u better save it

Amrosia is rare stuff

u can gain it only from boss

and keys can be collected anywhere

if u need keys

[olive sand]

Okay, that's what I thought. Thanks. I'll have to be patient.

[stray frigate]

buy fated list

[olive sand]

Fated list? What is that?

[stray frigate]

and gift 2 more nectar to Chaos

Fated list is Contractor thing

with some achievement

[turbid needle]

i have found it's best to not mess with your number of diamonds, ambrosia or titan blood

[stray frigate]

Chaos will give u 2 more prophecies

each can give u 20 keys

[olive sand]

I don't have that Fated List right now.

[stray frigate]

@olive sand so buy it

it's not such big price

[stable fossil]

@turbid needle Me turning Ambrosia into Titan Blood hmm did you say something?

[olive sand]

Buy it? It's a room? The ones I can unlock with jewels?

[turbid needle]

i have spent all my nine runs so far just getting keys to unlock things, not ffocusing on darkness

@stable fossil i mean, there are ways to game the system if the trader is being a dumb

like a villager in minecraft

[stray frigate]

@olive sand yes it's ur bedroom upgrade

[turbid needle]

"i want one emerald for five library block
i want one library block for three emerald!"

[olive sand]

Oohh, okay! Thanks, I'm gonna do that!

[stable fossil]

lol yeah

it's a 1-1 trade so I don't mind

In normal runs I grab all the nectar and Keys I can so I can turn them into diamonds

[stray frigate]

@stable fossil i prefer to keep keys

[olive sand]

I don't have Fated List available right now. I can only have some decorations.

[stray frigate]

sometimes Broker can give u blood for 15 of them

@olive sand Bedroom list?

[olive sand]

Yes, I have only two things in the bedchambers part: some divination pool, and a strategy rug.

[stray frigate]

mb later

[olive sand]

Yep. Thanks for the tips though. I'm gonna keep that in mind. : D

[regal nimbus]

zeus shield aspect + weapon upgrade that shoots with bull rush is amazing

[stable fossil]

@stray frigate Why? I already unlocked everything I can with keys, might as well use them to farm. I can always get more. An infernal trove with gems in it is worth like 7 keys or more

[regal nimbus]

throw ur shield and shoot them back in it

[stray frigate]

@stable fossil so u dont need more titan blood?

[stable fossil]

@stray frigate turn keys into nectar, turn Nectar into diamonds, turn diamonds into Ambrosia, turn Ambrosia into Titan Blood.

[stray frigate]

@stable fossil as i said

sometimes broker can offer u blood for 15 keys

[stable fossil]

meh I typically keep enough for those special deals, you can only trade those once per instance though

[fallow niche]

mmMMMM EAT IT

https://i.imgur.com/uRFNG4J.png

[stray frigate]

wow

[fallow niche]

now for blade and bow

[stray frigate]

what aspect

[lament coral]

what weapon though

[fallow niche]

zag spear

best spear

[lament coral]

also, RIP 100 win streak

[fallow niche]

yeah i got it to 100 doesnt matter

now im getting my 32 heats in under my belt

[lament coral]

was it Guan Yu that killed it?

[stray frigate]

you sir - amazing

[fallow niche]

I don't think GY is possible to run at 32

if it is, its gotta be hellish

or rely heavily on luck

[lament coral]

really?

[fallow niche]

its probably the worst spear aspect

[lament coral]

I've done a couple of runs at 15 and 16 and it was a piece of cake

reckon it's doable without the timer

[fallow niche]

when everything is moving at +50% speed and one hit can chunk your health it gets hectic

you tend to run out the timer trying to maneuver

@lament coral If you don't take timer you have to restrict your boons heavily

[lament coral]

I'm on hell

none of that matters to me

[river pier]

Done my first 25 heat run today, that was hella crazy
The game gave me everything - I was using shield with zeus special + ares call, then I got zeus legendary, ares legendary and athena-aphrodite duo

[lament coral]

it feels good when you get what you actually need

[fallow niche]

every time i've ever gone zeus and didnt get his legendary i cry

[lament coral]

no thanks to you, Aprodite-I-don't-know-what-attack-is

[river pier]

Yeah, that happens like once per 50 runs, otherwise you just suck because of random non synergistic boons

[lament coral]

I had to rely solely on my Dio special during the 32 heat shield run because Aphrodite doesn't know what attack is

literally 0 attacks, and I picked up 5 Aphro gifts

fortunately, Hermes was a bro and gave me 3 dashes, so I dashed weak on everyone and then blew my special load

sounds wrong, but it was oh so right

[fallow niche]

And yeah I've had runs where I never saw an attack boon

That straight up shouldn't happen

[lament coral]

I only started noticing that after the winter patch, but Amir said nothing was changed

¯_(ツ)_/¯

hell, I had a Chiron run where I ended up relying on casts because...no special

[stray frigate]

why rng why http://prntscr.com/qrzp5j

[novel python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/670015523362308116/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 Is this doable

Omw to styx

I might change that dash to zeus / Aphro if I get them

[lament coral]

how do you have less than a 100 HP?

[novel python]

Spear

Guan Yu

[lament coral]

not maxed out?

[novel python]

Nope

[lament coral]

yikes

it is doable, but good luck

[novel python]

And also, this run was started before the patch

[lament coral]

I don't see spin hammers on you

oh, I see em

[novel python]

I have the massive one

not quick sadly

Still feels good when it crits

[lament coral]

you didn't take the short dash one, did you?

[novel python]

Nope

massive spin and extended jab

[lament coral]

with deflect attack and weak special?

[novel python]

I would've preferred dash instead of special

[lament coral]

and you have exposed, seems like you're all set

[novel python]

since I don't use it that much

And I forgot about special, I've been offered Artemis heroic cast

I should've taken that, I just thought that I might not have anything to apply jolted afterwards

[lament coral]

I'd use the max HP tunnel first, then reroll other tunnels into HP

that's why boon selling fountains exist, to sell unwanted boons

[novel python]

Not about that, but I didn't have two statuses

[lament coral]

ah

[novel python]

I thought that I didn't*

as I said I forgot about the special 😂

[stray frigate]

http://prntscr.com/qrzrhw

[grand idol]

Does forced overtime affect styx poison?

Or is it just a lot faster now? Because it's kicking my butt

[turbid needle]

It has been buffed, then nerfed a bit. Dunno if it was entirely reverted, but yeah it did get altered

Also lol broken spearpoint nerf

So yeah, directly and indirectly, poison is a bigger menace

[grand idol]

It sucks big ones

[livid dew]

The new update has changed my playstyle. I was always about Artemis and using cast bow or cast sword. But now I'm just loving using demeter and the guan yu spear. It's very tough to die with guan yu. And the demeter boons are pretty solid

[grand idol]

This update has changed my playstyle too

I'm not playing as much lol

[prisma notch]

anyone know where the savegame file is? I would like to move to my notebook

[turbid arch]

The game has also changed my playstyle. I lose a lot more.

[stray frigate]

C:\Users\User\Documents\Saved Games\Hades

@prisma notch

[subtle sundial]

OH,press the Windows button and search ''Hades''

[prisma notch]

@stray frigate Thank you so much!

[stray frigate]

np man

[turbid arch]

Kono Giorno Giovanna, niwa yume ga aru.

[novel python]

I love how Guan Yu spear's spin attack looks like with Athena attack

[finite grail]

oh I just got the demeter cast tracking duo and DANG

that's really good

[lament coral]

then you realize just how bad her cast is without the duo boon

and you won't want to pick it up ever again

[stray frigate]

@lament coral same with ares

[formal wyvern]

At least ares is aoe with high dmg

But yeah

[lament coral]

Ares can work solely off his own blade boons

[turbid needle]

Eh, it's serviceable.

[lament coral]

no?

Artemis cast on its own does more damage

[turbid needle]

I wouldn't run Blade Rifts without either Hunting Blades or Engulfing Vortex and Vicious Cycle.