i just finished a run with 8 chaos boons
#h1-builds-and-combat
mighty ermine
luck
autumn bough
How do you get that many chaos boons? I'm lucky to see three
fierce iron
Yeah the blitz shield has a faster damage tick rate
hollow sorrel
maybe the radius is the same. I just pulled up an old daddy degrand video, and it looks similar in radius
fierce iron
so things like poison will definitely work out better
turbid needle
they buffed Zeus special damage I thought
dim ridge
i have over 100 hours in game and take pretty much every single light of ixion and every gate i see and i still havent gotten it once
turbid needle
it went from like 8 per tick to 13
dim ridge
and @autumn bough check every well for a light of ixion
i got lucky and got like 5 of them that run
hollow sorrel
oh yeah, the tick rate is way higher now lol
fierce iron
The patch before this one they upped the damage, and this most recent one they upped the tick rate
autumn bough
I haven't seen that light for at least 10 runs
mighty ermine
8 is the base damage per tick with no upgrades, both pre and post patch
hollow sorrel
omg, mort does 3,500 damage now?
I was secretly hoping it would do more than battie, because it's slower
and now it does, and I have tough companion decisions to make
mighty ermine
mort did more than battie beforehand as well
mighty ermine
battie was 2000 for a big area in front, mort was 3500 after a delay beforehand too
north kernel
psa don't use flurry jab with serrated blade
only use serrated blade over flurry jab if you're running a spin upgrade already
seems good for guan yu aspect since it pretty much requires the quick spin
autumn bough
MAn, I have so much ambrosia and nobody I can give it to
hollow sorrel
it's 30 at max
fierce iron
Might be good, but I imagine difficulties still
turbid needle
oh I'm an idiot, didn't realize it scaled like that
hollow sorrel
I think the idea of a "hunter pet" shield is interesting
mighty ermine
haha
autumn bough
Why do contractor options disappear from the shop if you turn off the scrying pool?
Hmm, they don't seem to now. Did I just have a bug yesterday?
pastel jolt
yes
it's in the patch notes, buddy ;P
Fixed some House Contractor decorations being unavailable after deactivating the Scrying Pool
autumn bough
When did Zag start making up stories for Orpheus? Was the original convo for that something I missed or skipped, or does he just semi-non-sequitur start regaling him with tales?
hollow sorrel
I think it started this patch?
hollow sorrel
I might be on something else then. Dio just talked about Orpheus.. oh
nm, I just got that conversation today
autumn bough
I think my problem is we've only been talking about Euridice for ages
Can you get Fated Authority rerolls from the key upgrade before you unlock it on the mirror?
mighty ermine
that's a good question, actually
hollow sorrel
yes. I still don't have it unlocked on my mirror
I can't ever afford any ranks, so I never unlocked it
inner heath
https://imgur.com/a/ZjbdENw I still think this is my favorite build of all time, so I just wanted to share.
thorny edge
really liking guan yu's new special
inner heath
That run I just did is probably the first in forever where I never took a single dash too. Not without trying. (I'm looking at you, Athena.)
limber imp
Anyone know if bow special procs a thunder bolt on every hit with posideon zeus duo?
pastel jolt
the tall tales went in on the same patch dionysus did, which was like..... the second Major Update lmao
unkempt pagoda
tbf tall tales were bugged to not proc last bug
rugged estuary
You can get hades stuck in the bottom left corner and cheese him with homing or aoe attacks.
hollow sorrel
Going through a satyr tunnel resets your fishing chance, woot
stray frigate
@hollow sorrel and can add more chance
so everytime u get in temple - u have chance for a spot
limber imp
So sea storm procs on every hit of bow special
serene nexus
Yeah. Sea storm proccs on things with natural knockback
Like Sword special or shield
fallow niche
rugged estuary
haha nice
stray frigate
u just lucky fisnman
turbid needle
serene nexus
How is the Styx poison post reversion?
autumn bough
Exactly the same as before, I would imagine
rugged estuary
^
native ether
Second, changing the Have all enemies chilled is incredibly difficult until you get down to only a few enemies left. Having it be a flat 5 enemies chilled at once like several other "Have X enemies Cursed at once" boons.
This definitely feels like a code word for "bosses"
which im fine with, extra damage against bosses and minibosses is something I can get behind
stable fossil
I dont have a problem applying chill to an entire room :/
tired pivot
They said that the asterisk-marked changes, such as the Styx poison, were complete reversion
It's absolutely an anti-boss boon which I love.
rugged estuary
Did they remove the 5000 gems decoration? I can't find it at the contractor any more
rugged estuary
I actually enjoyed the crowded-as heck barge on otherwise low heat
autumn bough
How fast do you have to dash for Quick Recovery?
tired pivot
It seems to be almost immediate for me.
brisk island
new heal blade ~ trash. at least when enemies deal big damage. most problem - dash attack don't count as heal. Just murdered perfect run with 300 maxhp by Cursed Blade 
tired pivot
Wait, dash attacks don't count as normal attacks?
tired pivot
That isn't normally the case right?
rugged estuary
Attack boons apply to dash attacks afaik.
brisk island
l may be wrong, but boons apply to dash attack - same with crits.
blazing mulch
Attack damage bonus apply to dash attack. But dash attack damage is also additional bonus
brisk island
But if damage increases to Attack - it won't increase damage of Dash Attack
hollow sorrel
I think the boons do, but if a weapon is specifically designed, and they have to flip a switch for every attack that can heal, it's possible to overlook an attack
oh
muted plank
Holy crap, the new charged skewer is super OP with the Guan Yu aspect
tired pivot
AoE range attack?
brisk island
still pissed by Cursed Blade
muted plank
AOE ranged attack that somehow charges instantly dealing 300+ damage on the first floor
brisk island
Also R.I.P. 13s Weak effect 
tired pivot
Is it suppose to be a charge?
muted plank
it has a charge but the range maxes out instantly
charging more increases damage even further
tired pivot
hahaha
blazing mulch
Report it as bug using f10
burnt rune
my issue with guan yu yesterday: feels awful to use, concept was done better with cursed slash
my issue with guan yu today: damn this is great but the special sound effect is either someone scratching rubber or farting and I don't want to keep using it
autumn bough
Ah, Swift Strike. It's making explosive bow actually bearable again
slender basin
wow, I just gobsmacked Trisiphone with her own projectile attack. Here I thought the deflect on Athenas Special upgrade on the Rail wouldn't be useful
burnt rune
deflect on special is always fun
rugged estuary
@slender basin one of my first wins was that, but with rocket special on the rail. Hades didn't get a single skull off the whole fight, always deflected.
rugged estuary
@blazing mulch You want to make the barge impossible don't you? 😄
ocean pivot
I'm really loving Guan Yu myself. Liked it yesterday and it's even more fun today
rugged estuary
It's not going to be easy when the entire barge is demeter circles 😄
blazing mulch
Demeter circles are not that dangerous, also each could have random, so it could be so bad luck if you encounter all Elites with the same enchanment haha
heady zephyr
Demeters God condition is rough yeah
Esp for melee builds or ones with lots of charging
hollow sorrel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/527330532259004419/669722292619837450/unknown.png?width=1037&height=584 At Hydra, with chiron bow, no special, but a whole mess of utility buffs? Can we bump up the bad luck protection?
stray frigate
we believe in u
rugged estuary
@hollow sorrel You've got 4 fates - Maybe should have rerolled that hermes?
autumn bough
I like deflect on sword or shield attack. Play tennis with the boss.
hollow sorrel
erm, the Hermes boons are some of the most important ones though
dire cedar
can I just say i feel completely validated that there's lifesteal i this game now
dire cedar
Which is what i said before
but i had several in here nay-saying me
saying things like, "that will neve rhappen stop mentioning it."
rugged estuary
@hollow sorrel That doesn't mean it's always right to take them though. If you need a special so bad, you should take the chance at one rather than take a hermes boon.
dire cedar
and i was like "yeah but it could w/ limitations." lo and behold. they exist
I think it suits his "blood" aspect a lot
rugged estuary
To be fair though, the swords lifesteal got gutted immediately 😄
hollow sorrel
but it's not like it's even guaranteed that one boon would have offered special
or even offered a boon
rugged estuary
Nope, but it's still the right move.
At least in my opinion.
If you had another door with money, that would of course be an even better reroll target, but I don't know that.
barren nimbus
didnt the patch notes say the penalty on the guan spear got reduced? seems the same to me
rugged estuary
It was 80% before.
Dunno what it is now, haven't unlocked it yet, but the patch notes did say that, yes.
serene nexus
Maybe the scaling was cut back
So that the penalty is less the more blood you pump into it
barren nimbus
at tier 4/5 im pretty sure mine was at -55% and its still at that, im gonna be dissapointed if they just buffed it early and left it the same late
serene nexus
The max at tier 5 was 60 before IIRC
barren nimbus
ok so probably 50% at tier 5 for a 10% buff
civic barn
well holy crap, whatever i'm doing just let me speed kill the bull and the king in under 30 seconds on 15 heat with the shield
i don't think i've ever killed them that fast with the shield before, maybe even faster than the rail
serene nexus
Build?
wise yoke
oh man I just read the patch notes and I think I like every change they made today
civic barn
wait does demeter's legendary work on bosses
burnt rune
it does
civic barn
:wow:
hollow sorrel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527330532259004419/669726776297127936/unknown.png Finally got offered a special on the mini-boss fight of elysium
serene nexus
Yeah. Delaying special on Chiron bow is a horrible idea
I usually take whatever it throws at me instead of trying to get a specific special boon.
rugged estuary
@civic barn Yeah, those duos do that
civic barn
in general not having a boon on the main five raises difficulty but sometimes you just want that right one, right
hollow sorrel
yeah, that wasn't me delaying
serene nexus
But Poseidon special on Chiron is... not ideal
north kernel
achilles aspect aphrodite cast
serene nexus
The knockback pushes them out of range of your next special barrage
north kernel
I need nothing else
civic barn
tomagathericon i'm trying to pinpoint which exactly, it's can't be the duos, can it?
serene nexus
I’m more of a Hades Aspect guy mysled
civic barn
i know i have like, 4 debuffs easily available
but it's not the first time i've had that either
serene nexus
Is that Athena’s boon on special or Zeus?
civic barn
athena
serene nexus
Also which Daedalus boon is that
civic barn
i have exposed too; hammers were quick bull rush and explosive return
civic barn
wait is it backstab explosive return?
serene nexus
The Demeter duo boon applies to Zeus aspect’s native lightning damage
civic barn
the jolt?
civic barn
that doesn't sound right
serene nexus
It doesn’t.
civic barn
stacking jolt 
serene nexus
Or maybe that boon interaction makes jolt stack
civic barn
if that's true this would jettison the duo to top of the list
serene nexus
WE NEED MORE INFORMATION
civic barn
well i'll come back to it after i finish run
dusk river
Hey guys. Can i gift more than 4 hearts to NPC?
burnt rune
when I tried that duo it didn't look like it was stacking, but i didn't pay enough attention
@dusk river depends on what the codex is showing; a clock means it's not implemented yet, a lock means interacting with them more/triggering certain events
serene nexus
It might be linked to only the Zeus aspect shield
Did it always benefit from Zeus boons natively?
burnt rune
yeah, that I don't know, I don't play Zeus Shield
unkempt pagoda
can i just say that i’m so glad cluster bomb is back
serene nexus
All I do know is that the ticks are benefitting from the jolt stacks as well as privileged status, cold fusion, and deflect backstab
But that shouldn’t be able to chunk bosses down THAT fast
Smells like a bug to me
burnt rune
something could be triggering twice maybe?
serene nexus
My gut instinct is that Demeter duo boon has some kind of bug that involves Zeus aspect
stray frigate
@dusk river for now it only works for 5
and there is no much sense for other
only Chaos and Dio mb
serene nexus
Unless the Demeter duo boon with Zeus is that bonkers
pearl scaffold
is it just me or is the bow just weaker than the other weapons? i find it very difficult to make it work
serene nexus
Bow needs poweshot
stray frigate
and make it work
serene nexus
I think it’s balanced under the assumption that you make every shot a power shot
stray frigate
@serene nexus with Zag aspect - yes mb
pearl scaffold
even getting power shots still feels like it lacks compares to others
stray frigate
with other aspect shots are just way to make other build work
I'm not a big gamer but 13-14 heat was easy 4 me with good rng
with bow
civic barn
ok, zeus and everything in styx felt more normal
so there's something in the interactions for that specific fight there that's either not quite right, or perfectly right
serene nexus
How did you go about killing Theseus and the other?
civic barn
sorry, i'm not getting the question
how do they decide which boons and upgrades to list, is this highest damage?
serene nexus
How did you fight them. I’m asking since I’ve never used Zeus shield before
Holy crap that jolt damage
oblique karma
chaos gates with the frost fair blade is 
civic barn
er, i ran in with a than bomb and hit them to get rid of the shield, and then i usually chase asterius first with a lot of specials into dash attacks and special when the shield gets too far away? like i said i don't think even used the aid and cast yet
the timer was running out so i kinda kept hitting despite....oh
huh, does each spin on asterius's large area spin attack proc jolt?
serene nexus
Oh you had Extreme measures 3 on?
civic barn
yeah
serene nexus
... that explains everything f
oblique karma
charged skewers is fun on guan yu
serene nexus
Theseus and Asterius are constantly attacking and moving
tired pivot
Does Bigger spin affect Guan Yu? It didn't seem to make a difference to me.
serene nexus
You had a epic rarity jolt that did 170 damage per move
tired pivot
Unless it's the Max circle?
tired pivot
You get more damage but it didn't look like the circle was bigger.
serene nexus
Which means that with Jolt not expiring they basically killed them selves for you
oblique karma
i didn't know that armour gave enemies osp
civic barn
ok, so it was the jolt
tired pivot
osp?
oblique karma
one shot protection
dim ridge
does dash attack proc support fire?
civic barn
nice, thanks for the brainstorming, now i'm satisfied 🙂
dim ridge
i just got serrated edge so if it does im gonna start huntin for artemis boons lol
autumn bough
Armor feels so bad when a big hit depletes it
dim ridge
related, does it scale with attack damage? because if so ive got a choice for a really good damage buff on it here
tired pivot
Yeah, I'm pretty sure damage doesn't carry over between damage stages?
Which, in my opinion, is silly
serene nexus
Jolt status triggers on attack I think. If each jolt did damage when Ex Theseus shot and Ex Asterius’ constant spin activated it counted as multiple instances of an attack... that means there were taking 170 damage per action.
hollow sorrel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527330532259004419/669734928853893130/unknown.png 58 minutes. I should have just rage quit when I got to the first boss.
dusk plume
Are the new charon prices dependent on the number of runs or is it a instant price increase from the get go?
inner inlet
instant i believe
dusk plume
Geez
kind fiber
Does hermes's cast speed boon increase the tick rate of dem's cast boon?
hollow sorrel
Chiron bow. Didn't get a special until the mini-boss of the 3rd biome. Didn't get privileged until near the end of the 4th biome
tired pivot
Ah
hollow sorrel
it...just...kept...giving...me...utility...boons
tired pivot
I haven't unlocked the Chiron Aspect so I don't know how good or not it is
stray frigate
@civic barn u can say it about any weapon)
any but shield
Shield is good even if u dont have anything lol
civic barn
hmm, i feel like zeus shield, nemesis sword, and the rail aren't though; they're good on their own
tired pivot
Is Shattered Shackle any good? It seems kind of meh to me except in Elysium because of the regenerating pillars
civic barn
at the very least i never really have to pick for those weapons, almost anything works for me
stray frigate
@tired pivot yes it's mostly good there
teal pebble
Anyone know what the requirements for Zeus/Dem duo boon are? Specifically do you think I only need static discharge for jolted or do I need another boon that traditionally would proc jolted. Trying to get Zeus/Poseidon duo + Zeus/Dem duo.
hollow sorrel
I would assume you would need a boon that gave you the jolted ability. It would be awkward to get a duo that you couldn't trigger?
Despite the fact that I think it can offer you the jolted boon before you pick up any lightning boons
inner heath
My guess is jolted + dash/attack/special from Demeter, but that's just a guess
teal pebble
Yeah, I already have the jolted giving boon. But to proc jolted I need a lightning effect, I have Sea Storm which will proc it, but not sure if the game will recognize that. I grabbed Zeus attack early, but now dem is offering to trade her attack and the other options aren't great soooo....
inner heath
Yeah, no idea if the game will recognize jolted there, but let us know if it does
hollow sorrel
I'm hoping sea storm would count, since it means you techinically could proc jolted
If it doesn't it would be good feedback
oblique karma
do you have to use the rod of fishing in combat?
teal pebble
Yeah, think I'm going to try getting dem attack. Hard to give feedback on it though, because I could just get unlucky and not have the duo drop.
inner inlet
i don't even think you're allowed to use it during combat, are you?
hollow sorrel
and the game dings, to let you know there's a fishing spot!
oblique karma
zag said he could use the rod in an area but i couldn't find the spot
hollow sorrel
and the game tries to trick you to press the button early. There's an actual different sound for the bobber going completely underwater
And I listen for the different sound
hollow sorrel
I mean, the game makes the bobber go down almost in the water, to get people to accidetly press it early
dim ridge
you mean like.... pretty much every fishing minigame ever?
hollow sorrel
yes; pretty much every fishing minigame ever tries to trick you to press the button at the wrong time
so the different sound is more important than the visual
teal pebble
Got the Zeus/Dem Duo boon! Currently have Zeus call, jolted status boon, and sea storm. So not 100% sure that it saw sea storm as a way to proc jolted, or if the game only cares that I have the jolted proc boon.
gloomy bone
Aw, geez. World Smasher removes the effect of Charged Shot entirely
I should've went for the double attack
It sucks, because now it's basically just a downgrade. Removed ranged for an attack with limited use
EDIT: Nevermind, apparently there was some sort of glitch that prevented my Charged Shot from firing for a few rooms.
teal pebble
I only have the attack boon
teal pebble
I think it is probably like the Zeus/Athena or Artemis/Ares duos. You need the one boon that is clearly required (in this case the jolted proc) and then basically any other boon from the other god.
stray frigate
time for 15 heat run
dim ridge
had aphrodite, zeus, ares, and athena vengeance boons, vengeful mood making me deflect everything every 3.5 second or when i took damage, with quick spin and serrated edge
had weak lasts longer and jolted lasts longer
hades had priviledge on him the entire fight after the first 3.5 seconds
stray frigate
Funny thing. I hate spear most but it's only weapon i have maxed all aspects
fervent mural
Any advice for the bow? I just dont get the feeling for it
stray frigate
@fervent mural Hera with dio cast and Zeus duo
dim ridge
hera aspect with any powerful cast really
ares cast with the artemis duo is also op on it
fervent mural
Whats Cast?
stray frigate
i do not like ares cast with Hera
he flies through enemy too fast
@fervent mural or mb Chiron with Aphro attack and Dio or Ares special with Aphro duo
for Ares u also need stacking doom and longer doom
dim ridge
if you have the aphrodite duo with it the hera aspect is real good
not as good as poseidon sword but its the only way i have cleared 16 heat with bow thus far
stray frigate
@dim ridge 
what duo?
fervent mural
MHH how hard is it too get the Duos? I normally Just get them randomnly
stray frigate
it was nerfed hard no?
autumn bough
How do people get so many Heroic boons?
dim ridge
idk i havent tried it this patch
stray frigate
@autumn bough new Demeter boon?
whole jungle
^
dim ridge
@autumn bough the new demeter boon, euridice with epic boons, or replacing an epic boon with another offered as heroic
i normally end a run with 1-2
whole jungle
Sets up to 3 (I think) boons to common then every 3 encounters they go up in rarity ending in heroic
dim ridge
3 if you get it at epic rarity
radiant basin
have you cleared the room of enemies
hardy ginkgo
they need a fishing tutorial spot, i still have not gotten one right yet
i would make a suggestion but... i dont have the permission to post in there 😦
karmic coyote
Zag sometimes mentions there is a fishing spot in the room when he first enters it
grim oxide
oh yeah, that's what was wrong lol, i was in the first room of tartarus and didn't kill the spawns yet
i'm a genius
mighty ermine
reel it in once the bobber gets completely submerged; there's a little visual flash when you should catch it too
tired pivot
The first time I didn't realize it was a timing thing like normal fishing so I pulled in the moment I got the key display. Second time I fished, third time I got bamboozled by the fake bob
bold salmon
So there isnt a Demeter aphro duo? Seems like missed potential at "Cold Hearted"
radiant basin
I'm sure they will add the rest of her duos in a later update
radiant basin
https://i.imgur.com/6G3dj2p.png I am losing my mind I am deleting armored rats
this build is so strong
frost strike obviously
inner inlet
not a fan of spread fire personally
tired pivot
How are you applying Chill? On attack?
radiant basin
Yeah
inner inlet
oh wait frost strike nvm that build slaps
radiant basin
yeah if only i had more pins
hardy ginkgo
arctic blast thats amazing
radiant basin
The only thing I'm missing is a 2nd debuff 😭
actually does decay count as a second debuff
turbid needle
nope
radiant basin
RIP
turbid needle
I tried to do that, didn't seem to do anything extra yeah
wooden spade
How TF does Impending Doom work? It says “Your Doom effects deal more damage after 0.5 seconds” but I don’t have any control over when it triggers?
So wouldn’t this just functionally be a damage increase?
radiant basin
It's a second tick after .5 seconds
wooden spade
Oh like it triggers twice
radiant basin
Yes
unkempt pagoda
it takes .5 seconds longer to trigger but it's more damage
stray frigate
@wooden spade no it mean Dooms last longer
inner inlet
yeah I thought it was ^^ not a second tick
radiant basin
Yeah I'm seeing that when searching the discord too, sorry
I thought it was two ticks
stray frigate
so u can stack more dmg
inner inlet
np
wooden spade
Yep I just figured that out but thanks!
tired pivot
Dired Misfortune is the Athena force activation?
tired pivot
Ah, lets you stack more I guess
solid cairn
oh my god zag spear is insanely good
last dawn
So...when using a spear and holding attack to charge, then dashing. Does that make the spin a dash attack or does it only use 'Attack' modifiers?
autumn bough
I love how when Than appears, the text says "Death Approaches"
heavy bough
which of the 2 railgun aspects do you guys recommend getting
surreal kestrel
eris is really solid all around, but it doesnt change up the way you play that much
hestia is more of a divergence but it's harder to get used to
heavy bough
yeah thats what it felt like but thats fine as far as gameplay goes. looking to pick the strong aspects first so i can focus on grinding later on
hardy ginkgo
when youre given the choice to replace, is there a way to easily compare it other than manually going to the boons screen to see what you currently have?
kind fiber
holding shift will bring up the boons on the left side
Can't tell you how to do that with a controller
hardy ginkgo
yeah its the back button on controller
i thought maybe something simple like on borderlands when comparing two weapons would be better
autumn bough
Got that dump of 10 bloods and almost maxed Hestia. Hit the minotaur for over 500 damage per shot.
That was fun
waxen imp
lul that special attack gonna melt
waxen imp
wait you got poison on special that op buff
stray frigate
extra lul
waxen imp
feelsbad
warped aurora
had a quick question i guess, do you have to start over to get ne content
stray frigate
@warped aurora ?
warped aurora
the new content with demeter. do you have to have use a fresh game save?
stray frigate
i met her on old save
warped aurora
okay, thnx
full flame
woo, best i've done - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612382629505007618/669768382614077450/77B1B277D33F724752D04C3F9D9C1F66A42FD449.png
was so mad, only got hit once on both Fury and Hydra
didn't get touched on Theseus though
full flame
nice, first time getting down into 20's is a great feeling
wooden spade
Tidal Dash + Second Wave + a bunch of Poison
Excuse me, Hangover
One dash into a Styx chamber just instakilled everything
full flame
yeah, Poseidon really good there
autumn bough
I'm visually taking big hits after defying death. My HP is set to half as expected, but the screen flashes and I see a large red number anyway.
jade estuary
how do i get the aspects using titan blodo?
i have some titan blood but I can't use them in the courtyard
warm kayak
autumn bough
World Smasher from room 1 feels very faceroll
gray lintel
huh is it just me or is spread fire for the gun better
stray frigate
@gray lintel shotgun?
gray lintel
ya
stray frigate
it's op as hell
gray lintel
it feels longer range
stray frigate
after update?
gray lintel
ya
fierce iron
Nothing about changing the range in the patch notes, still a fun upgrade to work with though
feels nice with chill
stray frigate
can instaproc 10 stacks i guess
grand idol
Yo okay, I come back and the Guando has been changed.
The special feels so much better.
gray lintel
so uh dio/dem duo + dio/zeus duo is... interesting. i am a cast build now and it is unexpected 
grand idol
It strong
dire cedar
I went 2x No choice to try to get some boutnies on a fun run. Ended up buying a blood in styx thinkign iwould maybe not clear. I could not help but take the Demeter in Styx, knowing the risk of Rare Crop. https://imgur.com/a/NBA7Baz
Worked out okay because the litte rooms count towards the upgrade
gray lintel
also if all enemies are chilled everyone just decays which is also interesting
i feel like I'm playing an ice nova build in path of exile
dire cedar
2nd image in that imgur if anyone is curious
Also had to get and sell hunter's dash twice at epic rarity (though sold at Heroic thanks to euyrdice)
burnt rune
ok, dem/zeus duo with dual shot is hilarious
not efficient, but hilarious, you can just dash around throwing it and watch things die safely from a distance
turbid needle
when you kick the game back on for a new file and make it to cerberus on attempt three 😎 but die to a rat bite 👈 😎 👉
nailed it
do you ever just, delete it and start from scratch to see how well you do with vanilla zagreus?
grand idol
Yo, Alecto straight up DESTROYS me
I just lost all my dang death defiances!
@turbid needle The rats were buffed.
turbid needle
oh i know
i was dashing around like mad and dashed in to the mouth of one of the tiny ones
with like 2 hp left
grand idol
The poison is mean now
turbid needle
at least hypnos roasted for something else
I love all the new character designs though since i started back today
gray lintel
okay uh. Zeus/Dem duo too. lets go
autumn bough
I have World Smasher replacing my Bull Rush. What do the Minotaur Rush and Charged Shot shield upgrades do now?
gray lintel
festive fog explodes, explodes again for cold, shoots lightning bolts, and enemies hit by lightning bolts hurt themselves when they attack 
and casts autoreturn to me
turbid needle
I found a pretty OP combo
Hammer ont he shield to turn your Held attack in to a quick combo push, plus Athena's deflect on your attack
non stop swinging and defense
Another I got was the bow, artemis empowering my dash attack, and leveling up her crit boon to like...10% chance
quick little pew pew spam
autumn bough
So, uh, i picked Charged Shot for science
I now fire instantly, no charging required
swing, PEW, swing, PEW, etc
burnt rune
the new charges were changed in the patch today
turbid needle
i'm still on the lookout for how to get that guan yu spear @w@ i might not be that far in yet, only three runs since i started a new file :p
grand idol
I believe you have to unlock all the other aspects first, @turbid needle
burnt rune
not all aspects, I don't have all of them~
someone mentioned yesterday it's around seven
turbid needle
aspects? 😮
stray frigate
@gray lintel like that https://prntscr.com/qrl1yl
turbid needle
i'm sure i'll get there by mindlessly meandering through
burnt rune
you'll get there after unlocking all the weapons
turbid needle
ah ty
grand idol
@vivid crag I agree with your feedback on the summon. It needs more presentation at least to be remembered at first. I think it should switch positions with the regular keepsake on the ui, or perhaps get its own spot away from that to give it a distinctness
burnt rune
same @ summons, I only now been forcing myself to use it
still, mostly only use against hydra lol
burnt rune
I don't have shady yet D:
stray frigate
u will later
burnt rune
have the relationship maxed before the lock but got unlucky with having more events for some time, finally got some post patch
grand idol
Does anyone know if the Guando has an decreased charge time for the spin attack?
Or is it same as default?
vivid crag
I'm so bad at remembering it I lost 2 runs bc I forgot I can still use Mort
Last Boss down to approx. 1000 Health when I died.
Basically press summon to win but I didn't think of it :')
vivid crag
Oh rly?
stray frigate
y
burnt rune
I think none of them work
vivid crag
Well that's very good to know and makes me less bitter about those deaths ^^'
grand idol
Sisyphus works!
stray frigate
Imagine Tomatos or Meg fight Hades
grand idol
Bouldy best
stray frigate
Skelly works too afaik
somber storm
what keepsake is the top right corner? its the only one im missing
stray frigate
@somber storm sisyphus?
somber storm
who is that
stray frigate
Bouldy's husband
grand idol
Bouldy and King Sisyphus, in Tartarus
somber storm
where are they?
grand idol
Aka, best boys
stray frigate
Tartarus
somber storm
o shoot
stray frigate
Bouldy is a best girl
atomic panther
Very outdated guide, then
grand idol
Bouldy top tier. Best boy. Let me give him Ambrosia.
burnt rune
dad gives you disappointment
stable latch
Why are the new Daedalus upgrades that make you attacks charged so bad
burnt rune
and important life lessons
stray frigate
Money! Heal! Darkness! Good words! Faith in you! And EVEN BOULDY HIMSELF!
burnt rune
charge skewer is decent with explosive/guan yu after the range patch
burnt rune
the rest tho...
stable latch
Why would you want 200% on something with a 2 second charge when you can just attack twice with it instead
grand idol
I think most charged attacks feel a bit contrary to the game's design in all honesty. There's rarely a proper opportunity to charge something that doesn't result in you getting hit.
Too much risk usually, not enough reward.
stable latch
Also standing still while charging them sucks even more
burnt rune
an excellent question tbh
somber storm
also I just unlocked the floor plates with the skull on them for 2 diamonds, what are tyhey?
burnt rune
megaman gave us charging while moving like thirty years ago
supergiant pls
grand idol
Useless =T
Nah, they're just alternate paths that offer different boons.
Not different than normal rooms, just more choices.
Though they are often doubled, or of guaranteed higher quality.
atomic panther
They unlock once you equip certain amounts of heat
5 for Tartarus, 10 for Asphodel, and 15 for Elysium
grand idol
Oh yeah, that too.
stoic berry
https://imgur.com/a/eALxzdU
This was? Insane? it was like having a permanent call, I also had dual shot so I had basically 12 casts (19x6 + 9x6 =168 damage a tick total)
and an amazing Guan Yu build with quick and massive spin plus deadly strike... this update is crazy XD
atomic panther
(Unlock as in permit entry, once you've bought them from the contractor they'll start appearing at random)
grand idol
I wanna meet Daedalus. Gimme that boy. Lemme see him.
vivid crag
Bc I'm seeing this screenshot rn: I've also got by far the most heat with Shield and feel like it's the strongest weapon overall. Would u guys agree or is it just my playstyle that make it suit me the best?
stoic berry
Hmm it depends? Shield was my best, but now im just working on getting all the others up one step at a time, the new Guan Yu aspect feels crazy tbh? and much easier for me
vivid crag
Yeah I also upped my best Heat on first try with Guan Spear.
It's rly strong
Went heavy on the special for my build
stoic berry
and the Acorn is really good vs the final boss on basically giving you 5 more death defiances with it lol
stoic berry
I always just go for the spin to win build lol
I've been getting both hammers pretty consistently and with deadly strike its 450~ damage on a crit with multiple chances and hitting a ton of enemies
grand idol
Oooo baby, Demeter attack on bow is dope
vivid crag
I also got the bigger spin upgrade that run for easier lifesteal
whole burrow
grand idol
Ah yes, the truly sad times
Supergiant, please let me beg Charon for money.
Or sell him a fish for a pittance.
vivid crag
Ouch
grand idol
Poseidon is always such a treat. He's a fun uncle.
teal laurel
does spear of guanyu do something special with the special
grand idol
YEAH. "Hey ol' riverboatman. Shag ya for a discount."
Guanyu aspect doesn't have the return part of the special.
Which is actually kind of cool.
gritty sage
Guan aspect is actually busted lol
teal laurel
wait
stray frigate
but i cant see how can i do 32
teal laurel
so you need to manually pick it up?
gritty sage
Quick Spin and Massive Spin are insane on it
grand idol
No. It's like the explosive spear.
You throw it, it hits, then you can throw it again.
No retrieval necessary. (Does not explode like the explosive spear though)
stray frigate
but have cool effects
grand idol
I do like its effects
stray frigate
it should be nice fish
grand idol
A fish, but both sides is a head.
Hot Take: I want a Sisyphus game. Remove Zag, let me push Bouldy.
hollow root
It already exists: Getting Over It
forest marsh
@grand idol spoilers for fishing https://hades.gamepedia.com/Fishing
hollow root
grand idol
I ain't want no spoilers! Otherwise I'd be in the spoiler channel!
forest marsh
You were asking for a Chaos fishing spot, is all
grand idol
WELL GREAT NOW IM SPOILED!
marsh wedge
serrated blade is broken pls fix. its too damn strong compared to literally any other weapon
blazing pawn
alecto wrecks me compared to the other two
marsh wedge
all are easy until i use the 4th aspect of spear... then it just yikes
dense star
Had a serrated blade run earlier today, good upgrade, even if I whiffed on all the speed/dash hermes boons
drifting briar
For "A Place of Revelry" from the new patch from Dusa, it is asking me to work with the house contractor to renovate the lounge.
Is that contingent on a specific purchase or any specific amount of purchases/renovations?
Edit: I noted a disco ball thing of sorts has recently become available to purchase as well?
grand idol
When do we get to kill Cerberus?
woeful stirrup
Why would you ever want to kill Cerberus, you monster?
Thank Hades for Eurydice's refreshing nectar... given that I've gotten 8 rare choices and an epic one with the next three boons, I shudder to think what would have been without her 
waxen imp
ever wanted to know how to feels to be a brimstone?
warm halo
sour gull
How is hangover and poisin different?
waxen imp
the status effect is the same, it's just that the name is different
oh and there's a new visual for the effect too
teal laurel
^^
sour gull
huh okay
waxen imp
also the dio dash leaves a lingering poison pool now
grand idol
@pure ice The fishing spots are random. Sometimes there are none. However, they are difficult to see in the thick of things. They are more prominent once the room is cleared.
grand idol
No they aren't in every room.
waxen imp
also there's a sound effect if there's a fishing room
grand idol
They're sporadic and random. They become more prominent to be seen once you finish the room.
sour gull
wiki said nothin
how can u see them
like
is it possible with any room
like any random room
grand idol
It's possible with rooms that have liquid in them. On any level.
sour gull
what... kind of liquid
drifting briar
sound cue of what sounds to me like the bell of a ferry and light up like any other interactiond does as sight cue
@sour gull
neon nebula
so i found out (possible) bug reports were F10 in game after i closed the game, is there another way to post it?
pure ice
I figured that's how it worked, but it still feels weird that I've ONLY seen them in the temple. So yeah, either some bad luck or I'm still missing them
drifting briar
yes
grand idol
@neon nebula There is not unfortunately. You could discuss it here however, and tag Amir maybe? I'd just say wait and see if you encounter the bug again.
neon nebula
hm cheers, just checking that drunken flourish has higher rarities than normal right?
sour gull
what about like most asphodel rooms they have lava could i find a fish in their
grand idol
Yes you can find fish in Asphodel. What do you mean, Blu?
neon nebula
i had rare crop, which demoted drunken flourish and passion dash to common rarity
i only check at the end but passion dash was heroic but flourish was still common
grand idol
Ah, there's currently a glitch with Rare Crop I believe. Where it only increases one boon.
unborn trellis
oof
grand idol
Yeah it ain't great. Happens though. I believe they're aware.
grand idol
If you see it again (though why you'd take it knowing it was broken) just do ye old f10.
neon nebula
that was kinda the first problem iv noticed
so i didnt actually even know about f10 lol
twilit stag
Guan Yu aspect with quick spin is the most ridiculous thing ever, I ran out of time before hades second phase and still didn't lose a single death defiance
grand idol
@manic ermine They shouldn't block attacks and stuff since the latest patch, but it's still funky.
livid dew
so with the special items that you get. can you use them against hades. cause i tried to use the thantos one and it didnt seem to work
i havent tried skelly's against hades as well but im curious if it works against the old man or not
unborn trellis
some you can, some you cant
livid dew
Do you know which ones ya can or cannot
unborn trellis
than and meg you def cant, idk about dusa
you also cant use than and meg against themselves
round oriole
yo the hermes boon is the only one that costs 200 on the charons shop rest all is 175
is it a bug?
marsh wedge
@grand idol use serrated blade spear before its fixed. its actually broken as frick.
mild crag
@round oriole no its intended
full flame
Get rekt Than - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612382629505007618/669830460284600320/unknown.png
rancid shore
full flame
nope 😦
karmic ginkgo
I hate how deceptively large hades sweep os
heady zephyr
am i completely insane or does hades sometimes immediately die upon reaching like 25% hp
lament coral
I mean, your're shown its range for a brief moment, before he does he spin
heady zephyr
nope, i had that one time
the second time i didn't but he still seemed to die
maybe i just wasn't paying attention to the hp bar
lament coral
did you have crits or 2 statuses?
heady zephyr
-you need to i frame through it basically
can't dodge out of it unless you have extra dodges or extra dodge range from sword maybe
lament coral
basically that: either time your dodge or get an extra one from Hermes
also, is Zag sword's 20% dash range increase sufficient with 2 dashes?
heady zephyr
good question
lament coral
@heady zephyr have you seen Demeter duo with Dio's cast?
heady zephyr
That's the slow cast with whirlwind right?
lament coral
it's a Festive Fog enhancer
does +50% more damage, replaces the fog visual with a frost field
heady zephyr
Hmm, must be another then. What's it do
lament coral
while retaining the effect
heady zephyr
Oh interesting
lament coral
I just saw your suggestion about reducing fog's visual clutter
and thought that Demter's duo practically does that, as it removes the cloud
maybe instead of the big fog cloud it could look like Dio's dual god room punishment
basically, a purple circle that pulses at the edges
manic dune
if you're going for fog might as well just go all out fog
lament coral
oh yeah
manic dune
and use no other attacks
lament coral
get Zeus, get Demeter
manic dune
it's pretty good for the sword
lament coral
it's a party, baby
manic dune
since the sword is virtually useless as a weapon
heady zephyr
i find fog very useful on hera bow
heady zephyr
nemesis and poseidon sword both seem pretty good
zag sword....has a bigger dash i guess
manic dune
sword has no ranged attack so you're always slowly getting damaged by various ground effects and stuff
heady zephyr
with sword you need a high burst damage build
manic dune
i usually use the special + dash cancel
lament coral
that's why people recommend Athena attack
manic dune
but without a strong cast it's really bad
heady zephyr
true, but you can semi-reliably get a good cast
aphro cast, chilling burst, arti dislodge, and crit attack stack up pretty nasty
one cast triggers privileged since they're both chilled and weakened
manic dune
it's a bit ironic that the only full melee weapon forces you to go max ranged though lol
heady zephyr
the ares special buff buffs every tick of damage from the shield
manic dune
i hope they add another ranged weapon next, a sling would make sense
heady zephyr
well. the rail and the bow have another aspect left
if they're as fdifferent as guandao is from the regular spear, then they might not need a whole new weapon even
but in general 3 ranged, 3 melee would make sense
manic dune
the guano spear is so op if you get the right boons
heady zephyr
i've taken it twice since the patch and both times i get to hades and he just dumpsters me
manic dune
i did a trial run and it was the best run i've had lol
heady zephyr
yeah, i want to try guandao with pierced butterfly, i bet that would work great
heady zephyr
was your guandao max level?
manic dune
min level
heady zephyr
oh, nice
just so i understand the boons right, aphro's boon boosts max health gain and demeter's boon boosts amount healed?
lament coral
yes
for example, if you have Demeter's boon, your Cthonic Vitality that restores 3 HP every room would be restoring 4 HP instead
heady zephyr
yeah, i'm just thinking that aphro boon would be extremely valuable on lifesteal builds then
manic dune
probably not
when you can just get more damage, hp or resistance
and also it may not work at all
teal laurel
i saw someone saying that Sword was a useless weapon
i agree but not really useless
its good at doing DPS especially maintaing Priv status
heady zephyr
why would it not work? max health is pretty easy to get reliably
heady zephyr
oh no, i meant the aphro one that boosts max health. demeter heal would be kinda pointless since the healing amounts are so low
lifesteal builds tank your max hp and max hp gain
increasing max hp gain would help counter the biggest weakness in those builds
manic dune
the increased gain is still diminished
but yeah you need to get your HP to a point where you don't get oneshot
can do that also with the help of dionysus's boon
or damage resistance boons
Premium Vintage is pretty nice especially if you get it early, especially if you also get the +1 lvl thingie for it
umbral halo
Bow + Artemis special + extra crit + 300% charge up is a great combo, i like this new hammers
icy edge
I like how people are losing their mind over Zag aspect spear being patched back and forth...
... while there's a contingent of us that wailed on Hydra and the Champions when it was just Varatha, the only one we had
To make matters worse, all people did was spam special back then, too, so the uproar is entirely senseless 😅
unborn trellis
It does
balmy timber
how much
unborn trellis
I don't want to find out
balmy timber
heh
So I got a trial, and have to choose between pozeidon and zeus
angriest of the gods
help
boreal prism
frail vector
can you ||romance people multiple times or do you only get that one chance when they are in your bedroom? Like If I'm romantic with Meg does she come back to my bedroom / is there more progression?||
ruby current
soo i'm curious. What boons are best with zagerus aspect sheild ?
lament coral
if you chose to do the thing, then yes, sometimes you'll be prompted to get back to your room for seconds
ruby current
still haven't cleared the game but i reached final boss and lost
lament coral
but you had to do the thing, and then you need to talk to that character in the lounge or hall; that event is random
Zagreus shield is garbage
that's the reality of it, really
you just want a basic 2 statuses set up to enable Privileged Status
ruby current
what boons are best with shields in general I guess.
hard holly
Depends on how you play it
ruby current
ah i see privileged huh.
lament coral
well, I can't speak for Zagreus or Zeus, but for Chaos shield, you want Aphrodite/Ares attack and Dionysus special
hard holly
But basically, Aphrodite is best for flat damage
ruby current
i like to go full melee on it using dashes
ruby current
but i've tried focusing on the other playstyles.
ruby current
ah ic thx. I'll try that privileged status thing once i get enough keys.
focused on getting all the weps first so yeah
lament coral
ah, bummer
still Zag shield should be able to carry you early on solely off damage resistance
lament coral
even without Priv Stat, Aphro/Ares attack and Dio special are good options
ruby current
yeah i'm gonna max it out first since i really liked the playstyle of the shield.
hard holly
I recommend against Ares attack on shield
ruby current
thanks for the feedback. I didn't know ares was good but i always tried to run aphro and dio
hard holly
Aphrodite does more damage and has utility
Ares is fine on the special (I personally dislike it because its slow outside of a specific build, but eh)
But on attack its basically worse than Aphro or Zeus on every weapon
balmy timber
ok ready to lose all me lives in elysium alone
heady zephyr
Zeus has good duo boons but his own boons are pretty mediocre
Unless you have extremely rapid rof
granite lava
Can someone explain to me the spear drama?
heady zephyr
Oh yeah rail and rapid fire bow are the best for him I'd say
Especially now with the bouncing arrow hammer perk, that would work very well I bet
Bouncing arrow also seems to bounce off walls, so you can sometimes trick shot around corners with it
granite lava
yeah apparently ppl are mad about the changes
wooden panther
People are always mad about something or other
unborn trellis
can confirm, am a bit miffed at some of the nerf reverts
dense locust
I enjoy the changes, but the game definitely got harder
Provide constructive feedback and I'm sure they'll fine the sweet spot of balance
find
wooden panther
I'm glad they undid the price nerfs to the shop, I the no a better way to balance the amount of buying people do in runs is the Affluence boons from Chaos, every time I rinse the Duty Free in Styx is when I have a good Affluence boon (or two)
dense locust
Prepatch, it felt like I'd sometimes get a build that would just easy mode the run. Haven't had one of those yet
heady zephyr
I don't think explosive rail needed to be added back in personally
dense locust
Balance is like a pendulum, they'll take it too hard in both directions until they hone in on that sweet spot
heady zephyr
Well roguelikes will always have comically easy runs and nearly impossible runs
dense locust
Yeah just the nature of luck
I would like to feel a little more in control
But I still don't understand proper god choice
Who else pets Cerberus every run
icy edge
Zag shield is okay with athena for a very sturdy, very defensive build.
Get aphro on special and use myrmidon, and suddenly you are very very tanky
dense locust
I find getting tanky gives me the most consistent runs
balmy timber
was hoping to meet patroclus before the hero, fill up my defies
oh well
time to commit die
wooden panther
Always pet Cerberus for luck
heady zephyr
I usually roll zeus shield when I take shield
wooden panther
And also because Cerberus is 300% good boyo
balmy timber
good boyo indeed
dense locust
Haha yeah I finished the new spear modification run only because of getting lucky and finding Patroclus after getting massacred earlier
balmy timber
commit die in record time
dense locust
I feel guilty if I don't pet
balmy timber
gg good run
regal nimbus
So who are really good at Hades? Like high heat players who play almost perfectly, i want to watch some vids to see
lament coral
you're gonna be disappointed
not by the plays, but by they way Hades fights go at high heat, at least the ones that are uploaded on YT
he just melts
turbid needle
high heat wins usually involve some kind of broken build yeah
lament coral
because the runs you see are the ones where they hit the motherload and got all the right boons to liquify ol' dad
regal nimbus
Yeah i just want to see how their movement/positioning/rerolls compare to what im doing
jagged saddle
^^ - that cannot be anymore truer
regal nimbus
You have any channels?
jagged saddle
i can just imagine someone having the worst of luck in getting the right boons for a 45 heat run.
lament coral
@still pewter armor is not HP though
hard holly
Oh hey, another run where I just cant find an attack boon
lament coral
the boon works exactly as advertised on the can
still pewter
it's not, but the functionality is off
lament coral
I get your point, but it seems intentional
still pewter
armor contributes to ehp
jagged saddle
i wonder, do y'all actually like using god of war Boons?
lament coral
they want you to use armor breaking stuff, hammers and boons
well, yes and no
you need a whole bunch of em to make his cast and call good
hard holly
Ares you mean?
jagged saddle
Hammers plus zeus plus posidion with shield/spear is just godlike.
lament coral
as for doom, it's just another status
still pewter
yeah but it's a legendary. shattering a styx miniboss at ~2%ehp is way off the mark of what the player expects when they pick up the boon
jagged saddle
blade rift does too little damage to be considered anything.
hard holly
Couldnt care less for Doom tho
jagged saddle
but i can see how one would like it
hard holly
Nah a proper Blade Rift build shreds
lament coral
it shatters at 10% HP
hard holly
Unless they nerfed it since I last went for it
jagged saddle
you have to be very lucky to keep upgrading blade rift in a 45 heat run thou. you are not going to run into hammers often unless RNG hits
lament coral
and preceding your next point, when I had +300% damage to armor on my sword, I didn't even notice the armor
the HP bar went from yellow to red in 1 hit
why? Cause I was equipped to punch through the armor
jagged saddle
i am stuck on the fence between the chaos aspect for the shield and the normal shield. idk, don't really like having to charge all the time to use 2 shields
lament coral
what? Only Chaos needs charging
still pewter
I understand your point. but from a user experience perspective, it feels like you're asked to invest into a specific hammer upgrade in order to consistently reap the benefits of a legendary boon that is not all that great in the first place
hard holly
Yeah on a high heat run where you lack choices
Blade Rifts arent ideal
Too inconsistent
I mean on very high heat normal shield didnt really do anything
jagged saddle
let me rephrase if you don't understand, I like the fact that you can use two shields throw with chaos aspect, just don't like it that you have to charge before you can use it.
hard holly
But now Chaos Aspect is a downgrade if I got it correctly
lament coral
there are boons that boost armor penetration as well, though not for every god; Artemis has increased crit damage to armor
hard holly
So normal or Zeus
jagged saddle
compared to the damage reduction of the other aspect.
still pewter
really specific
lament coral
I getchu, I do
hard holly
Damage reduction just doesnt matter once everything does 60+ damage
jagged saddle
true
but then the spinning shield thingy is very technical.. if you get what i mean, you need to upgrade it for the damage to be of signifiance.
same as blade rift
actually it is the same as blade rift.
how about the railgun, anyone like it?
hard holly
Hestia Aspect is broken tbh
Im in Elysium
I have no attack boon
Im two-shotting armoured exalted
And my hammer so far is for special which I dont use much
hard holly
Im working on the bounties, so fairly low
Though I dont use the higher health upgrade ever
I mean, pact option
Dont like it
I forgot
still pewter
this seems like a "synergy" from your perspective, but I'd rather synergies to give me cool extra benefits rather than circumventing a drawback.
In other words, I feel like this turns my boon from useless to somewhat useful. I'd rather it turn it from somewhat useful to really useful