I got the opportunity to spend my gold without visiting a shop already.
#h1-builds-and-combat
native ether
It really depends on how your run is going.
Do you have lots of money, but not as much health or boons? Take the shop, good chance to get what you need.
Do you have lots of money, and are fishing for legendaries or duos? Take the shop.
I try to avoid entering a shop with less money than I need to buy a boon. Hammers will always show up later on unless you're in the final shop before Theseus.
But at high heat, shops are also great because it means you can clear a biome faster or avoid a miniboss.
finite grail
I think shops offer a different benefit than wells imo
like shops are permanent, wells are not
native ether
Wells are mainly healing, a Death Defiance restore, Boon Rarity improver, or Chaos Gate forcer. I check wells for healing but rarely do I buy anything else from them.
teal laurel
i use them for troves
native ether
that's fair
teal laurel
or forcing chaoa
native ether
Hourglass makes wells more useful generally but Hourglass focused stuff tends to do awful in Styx because of the biome layout.
stone birch
Forcing chaos is the best use for wells of charon, dont @ me
native ether
As long as they dont drop you into a miniboss or boss
Chaos is also imo essential for high heat runs. Skipping rooms again helps you dodge the timer.
bold bear
Which one is Asterius again? 
native ether
(the bull)
native ether
Soul Catcher is honestly super doable for the time limit
Minotaur is definitely not
rugged estuary
he does make your boss faster, but yeah, eh
little grotto
so guys i used the combination of the new Demeter-Zeus duo boon Cold Fusion in combination with a Zeus' Static Discharge(jolt) and it essentially one hit Theseus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393864470360752129/669619341200850977/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393864470360752129/669619421903454238/unknown.png
it seems when Theseus uses the series of circle attack that chases the player right after he transitions to phase 2, each counts as his own attack and it killed him in about 2 seconds
Should i report it?
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/669621440093618176/unknown.png I like my boons.
stone birch
i hope it doesnt get nerfed, as broken as it is
rugged estuary
Also, doesn't this combination essentially mean you can hit a boss once and then hide until they die?
rugged estuary
oh, darn
little grotto
yeah you have to refresh it
bold bear
It is pretty good for Privilege
rugged estuary
So I just unlocked my first summon, and I noticed ||Than|| can't be summoned in the Hades fight - Is that the case with all the summons?
stone birch
i believe so
hybrid frost
No.
little grotto
but i also have to other frosty demeter boon where if you have all enemied Chilled it damages them
so when i get to hades i should essentially hit him once every 10 sec to deal 24/0.5sec dmg+50% cause the jolt+chill status gives dmg so lol
native ether
||Megaera and Thanatos|| cannot be summoned in the Hades encounter
hybrid frost
Just ||Meg and Than||.
native ether
well spoilers but its the gameplay channel
stone birch
I might try to summon Skelly there
rugged estuary
I see, thanks.
stone birch
see if he has a quip
native ether
The others can be
rugged estuary
So the two damage ones basically so you dont just nuke him down
native ether
Lore reasons as well
rugged estuary
fair
native ether
They aren't supposed to be helping you :p
bold bear
Just drop a rock on him
rugged estuary
I almost wrecked my run by testing out than in the theseus fight
native ether
You also can't summon ||Meg in the Fury encounter|| and you can't summon ||Thanatos in a Thanatos encounter||
bold bear
Which is kinda interesting
native ether
kinda for obvious reasons
bold bear
Because you can get a god's aid in one of the duo-boon rooms, I think
native ether
You can summon all of them in the Theseus encounter. He really loves it. Do it against him every time :p
bold bear
When that god is pissed at you
rugged estuary
now the question is, can you ||summon bouldy in sisyphus room||?
native ether
You can and if you do it when maxxed there's a funny voice line
bold bear
It seems like Theseus also usually doesn't get a god that you already have a boon from
native ether
You can't use summons in non combat rooms
bold bear
But I'm not 100% on that
native ether
Theseus will always have a god you wont have
Because its actually physically impossible to get all 8 gods in 1 run before Theseus
bold bear
What if you have all gods? 
native ether
The game will actually not let you
bold bear
Oh, neat
native ether
There's always 1-3 that will just not show up.
bold bear
Yeah, it does seem like the game picks a 'pool' of more likely gods, at least.
rugged estuary
@native ether Oh I have to try that, I only noticed Zag saying sorry when you do it 😄
novel python
@native ether I usually lead the T&M fight with Meg and I love hearing Theseus being surprised all the time 😄
rugged estuary
@native ether So that means after asphodel, I can't have more than 6 gods? Because otherwise I could force the missing one with trinket?
novel python
^ Challenge accepted
normal sleet
Chilling Freeze is awesome for some boss encounters, though I am likely the 47th or so person to have mentioned this
lament coral
whelp, the game crashed during the Hydra fight
novel python
How do I stop broadcasting? Someone requested, I accepted, they didn't join and now I'm stuck here
not sure if it's a steam option or a discord one
But it popped into steam, so I guess it's steam related
native ether
like if I take the Artemis keepsake in Asphodel, and I haven't found any artemis boons yet, generally it just adds Artemis to the pool (from how I can tell how it works)
rugged estuary
In case of discord, it's settings => voice and video
lament coral
the game crashed AND it corrupted my save, splendid
rugged estuary
In steam it's settings => broadcasting I think
@lament coral Oh my, crap. What happened to the save?
native ether
but you basically won't see more than 5 or 6 gods before Elysium, you could maybe force a 7th with the keepsake, but that one will basically only show up once.
And you could force theoretically the 8th in Styx but then you've already fought Theseus.
lament coral
it reverted back to the house, before I started the run
it's fine though, the back up is up to date
rugged estuary
thats good
native ether
There's also 8 total gods now, not sure how but the math/pool generation has likely changed a bit
well 9 but Hermes doesn't count.
ionic field
Charged Skewer, more like Charged Spew-er
native ether
also yeah I once used a max Dionysus Call against Dionysus in a Trial and he went "you've got to be kidding me"
it was really funny
heady zephyr
Nice
stone birch
The Demeter boon that upgrades rarity over time is a really cool concept
rugged estuary
Yeah I only saw it once at the end of styx, but it does sound cool
bold bear
It's bad tho
rugged estuary
Why is it bad?
Getting 3 boons to heroic sounds neat.
It's definitely not good in a lot of situations, but I feel it's sometimes useful
surreal kestrel
Right now i think it's bugged? I've seen reports of rarity resetting to common
full flame
think that's just a visual bug
ionic field
I had one "reset" to common, but it still had heroic stats
hollow sorrel
It was bugged for me. It was boosting literally all my boons
Like 4 heroics and 6 epics lol
bold bear
I would generally prefer taking any of the other options over it 
full flame
seemed to happen if I it was a higher rarity then the number of possible boons i had, (like if it was supposed to do 3, but i only had 2 boons to cultivate)
it's really only good very early
snow citrus
How does fishing work? I'm always too early or too late. No idea how to time it.
hollow sorrel
I was told to hit the button when the bobber goes underwater, but I haven’t done it yet
I did fail it a few times though, because I had no training or direction, and it’s not intuitive at all
full flame
on a different note, the shield upgrades World Smasher and Minotaur Rush together is kinda funny
not sure if that's intended
bold bear
What do they do?
native ether
it resets it to common and then improves it over time. So good early, bad late.
full flame
well, World Smasher changes your Bull Rush into just a very short range dash with big 90 damage attack
you literally can't stand there holding shield anymore
it's automatic after the brief charge
bold bear
Sure
full flame
Minotaur Rush adds a power shot, 300% damage to Bull Rush
But together, the World Smasher is just automatically a power shot
there's no timing it
radiant basin
@snow citrus there's 2 fishing animations. One is a nibble and one sinks the bobber. press button immediately as soon as bobber sinks
bold bear
Oh, that's pretty neat
bold salmon
Just somehow managed to get Ares Dash and cast with Aphro and Artemis duo and just got ares legendary 😂 😂 😂
little grotto
yeah the jolt+chill combo worked on hades and made it pretty easy
Winter harvest also worked on him, wonder if thats a good thing
full flame
Shield with World Smasher and Minotaur Rush - just holding down attack button, every World Smasher is a power shot - https://gfycat.com/sentimentallinedflies
little grotto
like world splitter but on shield
dense star
What's world splitter?
little grotto
a hammer upgrade that changes the sword attack to a single strike that deals 400% dmg
now they added the similar thing to shield
little grotto
yeah chop chop
gray lodge
Do not pick the bomb throw boon from chaos in elysium, on the guan lu spear. You don't shot the mini chariots and if you kill multiple at once (which you will cause guan lu hits like a truck) it's really hard to dodge
full flame
yeah, completely removes Bull Rush, so you don't hold shield out anymore for defense and charge; but it does require holding the attack button for a brief charge before the hit
little grotto
oh boy these new things have amazing synergy
bold salmon
So is the Zeus shield better than chaos now?
little grotto
attack heavy lifesteal build
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393864470360752129/669630846960926730/unknown.png
and Zeus-Demeter things
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393864470360752129/669631071003869234/unknown.png
yeah i was kinda afraid of Styx and Hades fight so i took trap dmg resist and the Evergreen Acorn
low hp is scary
sped through the game on record heat and record time i cant believe it xD
rugged estuary
Well played.
Props to the devs for obviously having great balance - Everyone prefers a different weapon.
You obviously like the sword, I can't stand it, but I like the rail you don't 😄
spice turret
So... How does one use the rod of fishing?
Like, I have it, and I assumed it'd be something you'd use in, like, the charon shops, but that doesn't seem to be the case
pearl herald
found that lifesteal sword kind of broken,felt like i didn't have to care about taking hits at all except during the hades fight
vapid narwhal
Lifesteal is completely broken and counter to the game design
If you take the relic that gives you immunity you can just facetank everything
normal sleet
not anymore <_<
pearl herald
i mean just spam dashing around bosses with lifesteal is enough for you to outheal the damage
spice turret
But spot where?
vapid narwhal
I literally healed through poison and all of hades attacks without dodging
stray frigate
@spice turret anywhere https://prnt.sc/qqzzwp
vapid narwhal
You get like 15 hp per attack
spice turret
Huh
little grotto
@spice turret splashes in water but kinda rare, you go there press E for fishing and E when you want to catch fish but only 1 chance good luck
bold salmon
Any tips for zeus shield?
stray frigate
@bold salmon best tip - take Zeus aspect and Swith to chaos aspect
bold salmon
That answers my original question i guess.
turbid needle
hey guys how i get the new weapon Aspect of Guan Yu?
stray frigate
@turbid needle talk achiles
little grotto
you have to have messed around with the spear maybe maxed out one of its forms its not clear at what point (to me) but Achilles eventually talks to you about spooky suff and that unlocks the spear
bold salmon
So yea i think chaos aspect is broke or something. At level 1 it was still only 1 shield from what i can tell and now that i have it to level 2 its only 1 extra shield instead of 2.
little grotto
*by the mess around i mean the mentioned it in the dev stream that you dont get to have the 3rd form right away, you have to achieve various things with it first
stray frigate
@bold salmon Chaos shield is better version of Chiron
little grotto
and yeah the lifesteal seems way too strong it should be like 1 - 1.5 - 2%
maybe it was just me cause i bumped into so much attack buff but i healed huge chunks
damn
i always feel bad when i finish a good run
i dont want these insane combos gone :c
harsh epoch
am i correct with my testing, when I use the sword that dislodges cast gems on demeter casts, it doesn't do Anything? I feel like it should for repositioning purposes?
But it only takes like 5 secs each cast so doesn't matter i guess
bold bear
The dislodge only works when it's lodged into enemies, yes.
azure swan
is it just me, or guan yu aspect is absolute garbage?
broken cipher
Oof, I completely forgot about proxy. Okay. Time to try that again.
Demeter-Dionysus is the best thing. Just. Beautiful.
harsh epoch
Ahh cool. Never tried ares and dio yet, wasn't a fan of cast until recently. Thanks!
bold bear
Casts are very powerful
fluid moat
Cast builds are soooo good 🤤
stray frigate
did HB was nerfed hard?
little grotto
whats HB
stray frigate
Hunting Blades
bold bear
I've not seen it used yet
turbid arch
Why would it be?
turbid arch
How so?
surreal kestrel
in the patch notes it said the tracking was reduced
bold bear
^
Less tracking, less speed
Prooobably still enough to mess up a stationary target, though
little grotto
yeah 2 aspect nerf sounds bad but i havent seen it yet
somber storm
Quick question, why cant I go past 4 gifts on cerb? I thought something happened at 5 but it has not let me give a fifth one
stray frigate
@somber storm it's Tomatos Meg Skelly Sisyphus and Dusa
somber storm
And why gift anyone past 1 if they dont do anything
somber storm
Prophecies?
stray frigate
and it's unique dialogues
little grotto
to prepare if something might get added and you dont have anything to spend the nectar on anyway xd
somber storm
Oh ok
stray frigate
it's... Fated list
little grotto
in game achievement list kind of thing
stray frigate
some achievements stuff
little grotto
with rewards
somber storm
Is it the thing in my room
little grotto
juicy rewards
somber storm
With like mini quests
little grotto
yes
somber storm
Ok, whatchappens
stray frigate
20 keys for each
somber storm
Oh
Alright
And bigdaddy zeus gave me nothing back lol
So whats the whole “summon” thing about
I have beaten hades and never once gotten anything relating to it
stray frigate
@somber storm that is reward for that 5 characters
surreal kestrel
summons are related to relationship quests
somber storm
Oh ok
somber storm
So get them to 5 basically
somber storm
Oh ok
surreal kestrel
you give enough nectar to someone, say, meg for example, and they'll ask you to do them a favor
stray frigate
or some condition
surreal kestrel
then you give ambrosia and they will give you an item that lets you summon them during a run
somber storm
Oh ok cool
stray frigate
@surreal kestrel no
somber storm
Oh
turbid arch
Okay, so let me get this straight:
stray frigate
but 1st u do quest
surreal kestrel
yes
somber storm
Gotcha
stray frigate
and THEN u gift ambrosia
turbid arch
The weapon aspects are not bound to people that already need to have lived at the time of the game.
Theoreticly, someone from a far distant future could also have used a weapon and imprinted on it.
frank pecan
is there a tierlist somewhere?
turbid arch
What if, and hear me out on this one....
stray frigate
@turbid arch KALASNIKOV
broken cipher
Sword Aspect: Transistor
turbid arch
.....what if the Transistor is in truth the Stygian Blade?
BABY YOU GET WHAT I MEAN!
somber storm
Are there plans for more weapons? I like them all excluding rail
broken cipher
XD
stray frigate
6th weapon will be
somber storm
Rail just does not feel as fluid as the others
somber storm
Like its clunky to play with, maybe because its the only weapon requiring a reload
turbid arch
The rails main appeal to me is is customizability.
stray frigate
@somber storm rail is strong
turbid arch
It is by far the most variable weapon in many regards.
little grotto
cause i personally dont feel it how a gun could fit into greek myths
somber storm
I tried the new suicide build with it
Its not the strength I dislike gznm, its the feel
little grotto
and i hate it with everything i have but love everything else in this game
turbid arch
Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, Machine Gun, Grenade Launcher, Rocket Launcher
stray frigate
but hammer changing rail in very intresting ways
somber storm
Im in class atm but
Im at hades with one of the new hammer upgrades
The -70 life +damage on hit one
stray frigate
@turbid arch did they returned sniper rifle?
somber storm
70 percent
turbid arch
Sniper Rifle = Hestia Aspect
stray frigate
well not but well yes
somber storm
The spear feels the “weakest” but I like it
little grotto
the spear is very versatile once you get used to it
somber storm
Yea the hammer boon gets it imo
turbid arch
Which, surprisingly enough, seems to have gotten worse this update.
Charged Special has to be one of the worst I have seen.
somber storm
Like none feel that good outside of the bounce 7 special
That with ares doom clears trash so well tho
turbid arch
Quick Spin, Massive Spin and Explosive Launcher are all amazing by themselves.
And together.
Flurry Jab is okay if you get it early and engineer your run around it.
somber storm
But the shield feels the best
Like u can get absolute trash
And still win with shield
little grotto
@somber storm do you have Privileged Status? 50% dmg on 2 status effect on enemy
little grotto
cause if you have one status attached to attack(that makes dash attack too) and one on special aka throw you can kill enemies easily in medium range
hit like a truck from good distance not too far not too close
somber storm
I find I enjoy like, one off dash one off attack
So I can spam around things
Im not sure how good it really is but I have what feels like a nutty combo atm
little grotto
what do you mean by one off dash one off attack
stray frigate
Shady's item blocked Ex Theseus movement
somber storm
A couple chaos bonus attack/dash damage buffs, weakness on landing dash, double nockback with loads of it, the -70 percent hp gain hp attack hammer, and the flurry attack thing
Feels nutty
compact niche
I'm a bit puzzled; it didn't occur to me at first but after getting a new prophecy and checking it I realized that I don't have a prophesy for Demeter's boons?
stray frigate
also Theseus left me some gift http://prntscr.com/qrgxo5
@compact niche u didnt gift her Nectar?
compact niche
I've given her one yeah
compact niche
Lemme look
stray frigate
@somber storm u can
compact niche
Yup, still have the horn, still partly leveled up
stray frigate
upgrading
little grotto
the build sounds interesting
stray frigate
companions
somber storm
How so
stray frigate
@compact niche and no prophecy?
somber storm
Upgrading what
stray frigate
@somber stormlike weapon
compact niche
Nope.
somber storm
Im lost
stray frigate
f10
somber storm
Im not in game atm
burnt rune
You can outrun Extreme Measures Minotaur with Drift Dash 
somber storm
Oh interesting
stray frigate
but u need blood for weapon
stray frigate
and ambrosia for companion
somber storm
Ok gotcha
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/669648030114250762/unknown.png is rare crop worth taking here? I have exactly 3 boons but one of them is pressure points and iirc it doesn't get any better at heroic rank
broken cipher
Have I mentioned how amazing Demeter's slow stacking is? Because I think I'm in love with these boons. I stan one grumpy gran.
little grotto
well you could give it a shot
its pretty early on you will manage with common and rare boons anyway
worst case you will have 3 heroic boons by asphodel
novel python
What I'm aiming for is either zeus attack for jolted ( and hopefully duo ) or Aphro attack ( which I guess itll be better )
And the stacking chill boon
Pray for me
obsidian abyss
why did yall veto the super hard secret boss idea in the feedback channel. that sounds awesome
novel shard
(Would I be right to assume that the Cursed Slash upgrade to the sword only heals from damage done by attacking, not including statuses? ⚔️ )
novel shard
Thank you! 
bold bear
The boon that makes demeter's slow burst at 10 stacks is absolutely terrible, though.
unique canyon
Somebody knows what is the maximum percentage of damage resistance in god mode?
stray frigate
@unique canyon 80 iirc
versed ibex
Do I have to do something special to make the Demeter prophecy show up?
It's not on my list. 😦 the duo boons list got updated properly
versed ibex
okay. Maybe that's it. I didn't get the prophecies until after I'd already given all the other gods nectar so I didn'tk now that was a pre-req
gloomy scroll
Slow burst at 10 is great if you have spear with triple dash attack imo
little grotto
@bold bear yeah its probably only good on thins that can stack incredibly fast since it takes 10 stacks to burst, a fast railgun, chiron bow maybe
serene nexus
Chiron bow activates the explosive boon almost every special burst. Too bad the burst damage is mediocre currently.
They might be better off making the boon so that at 10 stacks your opponent takes more damage instead of exploding. That or up the damage
wind vale
anyone know if there is some silly requirement to get crystal clarity(demeter+artemis duo) besides demeters cast - got many runs where i got both their legendarys without finding it
crimson sundial
hoo buddy, deflect on the extra large spin attack (mine is currently also faster) from Guan Yu is wild
I've gotten that duo boon with just the cast and just one other artemis boon
grand idol
Does anyone else feel like they're just getting less boons overall?
Not counting the shop price nerf. I just can't seem to get any boons via rooms
crimson sundial
https://imgur.com/DYWXaJj
This right here was wildly easy, just max spin throws everywhere. Every attack in them being deflected.
lament coral
I don't feel like I'm getting fewer boons, but I do feel like I'm not getting attack/special/cast when I need em
grand idol
Yeah I keep getting to like, Elysium without a single attack/special/cast
icy edge
l^^
lament coral
I had 2 Chiron bow runs, back to back, and I got 3 attacks offered in both of em, total
died in the first one, 2nd one was won solely off Ares cast and Chaos' cast boons
the game just wouldn't give me 2 statuses
grand idol
I also feel I'm getting a lot more attempts at trade offs instead of stuff I actually need.
lament coral
then did a rail run and was offered 1 attack the entire run
grand idol
Like, I have a special, and then all I get offered is specials
lament coral
from the very first god gift
proud storm
i like how when i actually do a pierced butterfly run i keep taking one instance of damage in every chamber
god sees me up there and said somebody give him a hint
pallid dagger
alright
covert grove
A true Hydra skip has been achieved with a lot of WTF https://www.twitch.tv/haelian/clip/ToughDaintyVampireRalpherZ
pallid dagger
what the [EXPLETIVES I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SAY] is going on
lament coral
ah, you're the speedrunner!
grand idol
Excellent. Teach me. Hydra is terrible.
proud storm
SDJFHSJGFGSD
pallid dagger
i am dying to the freaking furies. The Furies. the first boss!!!
I'm not on high heat, so what's going on? Tartarus in general seems to have undergone a serious difficulty spike.
grand idol
Nice, that's pretty wacky
hollow sorrel
I'm wondering if the chances of getting an attack/special boon option was decreased. I'm sometimes getting really far where I'm actually missing one or the other, and since the game is balanced around a full set of boons, it can be slow to get through places
It's always been awkward that the game offers so much utility boons, when you're still clearly missing attack/special/dash
lament coral
I saw in the patch notes that the chances of getting some boons were reduced, maybe they mistakenly reduced attack/special/cast, too?
crimson sundial
I've done a lot of runs and haven't really had problems getting primary boons
hollow sorrel
possibly. I do seriously think the main boons had higher priority, to ensure people could get a set of attack/special/dash
grand idol
I am halfway through asphodel and have no attack boon
I've taken to rerolling Hermes to try and find something worthwhile.
fossil wing
We did not adjust or reduce the chances of finding Olympian boons in The Long Winter Update.
hollow sorrel
honestly, all the utility boons should be tier 2. There's no good reason why gods are offering junk like "reduce damage by a tiny amount," if I don't have a main (attack/special/dash) boon from them beforehand
fossil wing
@pallid dagger I am interested in understanding your experience a bit more. Which Pact options are you using? Which Keepsake are you running with, and how are you dying?
grand idol
I wonder then if they sneaky nerfed the chance of receiving attack/special boons in an effort to see the effects of the game not having Privileged Status
Without outright taking it out ya know
hollow sorrel
I had an issue yesterday where I was using the damage-nerfed nemesis blade, the game didn't offer an attack boon, and I had to fight all three furies at once, in the longest boss fight I've done in a month, because my damage was so low
crimson sundial
Amir just said they didn't
hearty owl
i think the new snow or ice affect should freeze enemies if they have like 5 stacks
grand idol
Amir said they didn't nerf the chance of finding olympian boons
Not that they didn't tweak the numbers when finding those boons.
hollow sorrel
nerfing the chance of finding boons != nerfing the chance of certain boons in the boon pool
crimson sundial
Ah the spread of boons you get once you find a God, I get it. I still don't think so as I haven't had any problems, but without a large survey it would be hard to tell.
hollow sorrel
To be honest, in the last update, sometimes the boon selection would be a bit terrible, but the nemesis sword did enough damage to make it through until the boon selection got better. Now, if I get junky boons with the Nemesis, it's a slow and painful run
pallid dagger
@fossil wing I'm on level 4 heat. The pact conditions are: 1 extra move/attack for bosses (so, just the furies, nothing I haven't done before), 15% extra life for all enemies, and 20% boost to all enemy movement and attack speed. I have the Nemesis Aspect of the sword, maxed out, and am using Demeter's Frostbitten Horn.
I'm absolutely flabbergasted. Megaera killed me outright, and Alecto on the second try used all 3 of my extra lives and nearly killed me, too. It's not just the bosses; the overall Tartarus crawl has been eating my health up a lot, leaving me with little to spare for the Furies.
I just. What changed? Surely I didn't get this bad at the game overnight?
crimson sundial
I have been getting Alecto a lot and she's been knocking out 1 or 2 of my death defys which didn't used to be the case.
hollow sorrel
The three furies together have moves that aren't telegraphed enough. Like, sometimes I swear the giant grid of death circles just appears, and I have .5 seconds to dodge it. I feel like I should at least be able to see the fury swoop in and land, to warn me something is going to happen
hearty owl
yeah in the third area i got blasted after the update i felt it got a bit harder
hollow sorrel
or the circle that looks like it's continuously erupting, sometimes feels like it just appears and instantly starts doing damage, with no telegraph
pallid dagger
The funny thing is, I've been playing on the update pretty consistently. This swerve isn't even just a "today" thing--this latest set of escape attempts took a very, very sharp turn in the last hour or two.
hollow sorrel
at least the beyblade seems to involve a fury swooping in and landing, to warn me (i think)
autumn bough
It’s probably just that I didn’t fight her much before, but Tisiphone’s stun beam or... whatever it is she does keeps catching me completely by surprise.
chrome viper
Death defiance still gives you invincibility when its used right?
I literally just lost like half my hp as soon as the animation stopped
twice
lament coral
don't believe so
grand idol
Speaking of, this might just be poor luck on my end - Has anyone noticed the Charon Shop sells Kiss of Styx less now? I didn't see a decrease chance in the patch notes.
pallid dagger
I guess that's possible, but I don't think that's the problem; I used to be able to reach the furies with a scratch if any damage at all. Now I'm black and blue by the time I get there.
lament coral
only one of Athena's DDs does
hollow sorrel
Most of the charge attacks in the game don't get telegraphed well, especially when the enemy speed is boosted. For the stun beam, I just have to strafe around her, so I'm not facing the same direction for longer than a second
autumn bough
I haven’t seen the shop sell a guaranteed chaos gate since my first five or so runs
Where’d it go?
chrome viper
deathless stand says ''Death Defiance makes you Impervious longer'' so I assume I should be invulnerable at the beginning
hollow sorrel
I've seen chaos gates being sold, but I super rarely see gates if I'm not buying them
I see more infernal gates, than not-bought chaos gates
lament coral
well, weren't you? I used her other defiance, the one with increased HP restoration, and I did get more HP
fossil wing
@pallid dagger Thanks for the information. We made changes to Alecto's rage attack and to Meg's chambers, but not to the other furies. If I had to guess, the 20% Forced Overtime is doing most of the work of killing you.
autumn bough
Gates way too often spawn a room or two before the boss
last dawn
So are 'dash attack' and 'attack' modifiers pretty well separated? For instance, Cyclops Jerky makes 'attack' deal more damage, I take it that does not include dash attack?
hollow sorrel
To be fair, we don't know the exact amount of "longer." Deathless Stand might just make you invincible for .5 seconds longer than normal
autumn bough
Do chaos gates still skip a room? Because I swear the last two had the same options to continue as the room I came from.
hollow sorrel
I thought attack was anything involving the attack button, and dash attack was just dash attack?
chrome viper
it's +2 on common, +3 on epic iirc
lament coral
did you not see the shield pop up?
hollow sorrel
chaos gates don't skip a room if it's too close to the end of a biome
(unless they fixed that)
lament coral
no gate skips the pre-boss room
chrome viper
I dunno, the only shield I got is the one you get when you take too much damage since I was instantly nuked by Asterius
weird
lament coral
if you see a Chaos/Erebus gate before a pre-boss room and take it, you'll be offered a choice of other pre-boss rooms in the gate
taking Erebus before the pre-boss room is kind of a no brainer if you don't like your options, cause it's always 3 doors
Chaos is a lil more shakey since the number of exits is random
hollow sorrel
Which can be meaningful with tight deadline, because doing the Erebus room would increase the number of fighting rooms you'd do
chrome viper
I assume it has to do with how the shield you get from taking too much damage works with Guan Yu's reduced health pool since it procs more often
Maybe it somehow overrides Death Defiance impervious?
lament coral
you were using Guan Yu?
chrome viper
yea
hollow sorrel
I'm not sure how that shield works. I only do hell mode
hollow sorrel
Like, I vaguely know it stops lots of damage from happening one-after-another, but I haven't seen how it interacts with other things
lament coral
what was your max HP anyway?
autumn bough
Is there a way to tell how close you are to the boss room, or do you have to manually count?
chrome viper
like 60 i dunno
pallid dagger
@Amir I'm still skeptical. 20% Forced Overtime is nothing new to me, as I've done runs as high as 10-12 and gotten at least to the Hydra. I actually made it to Asphodel this run, and it was a doomed run since I got shredded by Alecto, but I feel like things got a lot easier. Something is up with Tartarus. Will give more feedback after I do this next escape attempt.
lament coral
wait, I don't remember boss room numbers
autumn bough
And are there specific rewards pre-boss rooms won’t have?
lament coral
no, it's any gold laurel option
grand idol
Yo, Charged Throw for the Shield doesn't increase the damage of the Shield of Chaos multi-shields.
lament coral
check the 📌 in this channel
grand idol
Who me?
lament coral
no
hollow sorrel
in the last patch, some of the hammer upgrades didn't affect the extra shields either
hollow sorrel
like the multi-bounce was only the primary shield
lament coral
^
hollow sorrel
I get it that it's for balance reasons, but I sort of wish the tooltip text would mention "primary shield" in boons that only affected the primary shield, so that people don't get confused
lament coral
yep
grand idol
Defo needs that then. Otherwise, it makes it feel real bad
lament coral
same with the extra bounces one, it's bad for Chaos shield
grand idol
Yo, Charon refuses to sell me death defiance
lament coral
makes your primary one fly around longer, preventing you from charge shooting
hollow sorrel
in the last patch, I still took multi bounce with the chaos shield, if I had doom on it
lament coral
why? you apply more doom with the extra shields
and your primary returns faster, meaning you can apply even more dooms
hollow sorrel
if you just want to melt trash, that's all over the place, spamming the shield button is faster than bullrush -> shield throw -> repeat
lament coral
I suppose
hollow sorrel
as the multi bounce would sort of be similar to a shield multi throw
lament coral
I can see that being useful against skulls
hollow sorrel
I get it that I could always just bull rush and multi shield, but sometimes I was being lazy, and sometime the other 2 hammer options weren't super exciting
and sometimes I didn't feel like bull rushing near a bunch of champions, even if I could
since it seems like some of the champions don't get interrupted from starting their attack
I could be mashing attack on a spear champion, when he doesn't have armor or blue hearts, and somehow he starts his attack anyway... even though it doesn't seem like that happens with almost everything else that's a small enemy
grand idol
Aw no, they nerfed Spent Spirit. Projectiles are only 30% slower now!
That means that Spent Spirit doesn't even counteract full strength Forced Overtime for projectiles. Which a duo boon feels it really should be much more powerful.
opaque pebble
Now that the 'Guan Yu' aspect opens up the possibility of different legends being possible for future aspects, I for one would love to see Stygius getting an aspect for 'King Arthur', Excalibur anyone? (This is a bit near and dear to me being a Brit!)
grand idol
Lots of options with swords though, which hopefully means they go a bit out there rather than typical King Arthur.
lament coral
John Rambo for Exagryph
junior shuttle
;-; who made the fountain after the boss fight garbage ;-;
opaque pebble
What if they snuck in a Bastion aspect somewhere in there? Would be real awesome to see that!
lament coral
contractor did
you need to buy an upgrade for it, which makes it heal more HP than before
also, that upgrade affects the post-boss fountain, too
lament coral
not sure if intentional but I ain't complaining
opaque pebble
Aspect of the Man-Emperor
lament coral
Manperor of Greekind
I was actually wondering if they'll be adding Zag skins
Dead Cells does that
and Hades kinda lends itself towards it, what's with the excessive amount of fluff house customization options
opaque pebble
Could be a favour milestone, maybe? Demeter's could be a frost version of Zag.
serene nexus
Who knows. I do hope we get some kind of dual sword weapon
Although the play style might be too similar to normal sword for it to work
grand idol
Gods be damned. The new poison in Styx makes me weep
fallow niche
time to immediately fail a run so that number stays dead
and yeah
basically
shall do
serene nexus
So many people here are way better than I am RIP
fallow niche
being good is a matter of how much time you put in imho
opaque pebble
Haven't even gotten to Heat 4 on any of the weapons yet!
serene nexus
I guess I need to grind more. I’ve gotten a hang of things but Hades and Styx keeps kicking my butt
fallow niche
I actually find Styx to be one of the easiest parts of the game
fallow niche
It has some annoying things in it but if you can take advantage of the close quarters its good
lament coral
I keep playing Hades cause I enjoy the gameplay
fallow niche
yeah same
lament coral
if you don't, no point forcing yourself
I did that with Slay the Spire and I hate the game now
serene nexus
One of the reasons why I turned on God Mode tbh.
Because wiping to hades for 10+ times in a a row wasn’t fun
fallow niche
Hades himself is a hard fight but I honestly find the middle management barge to be a harder thing to live through 
I can usually tell how easy / hard the hades fight will be based on my build and DDs left
lament coral
I think with the barge nerfs, it's a bit better
hollow sorrel
I keep forgetting to look everywhere for fishing places
serene nexus
It took me until try... 60 or so to actually do a full clear
fallow niche
barge got nerfed?
opaque pebble
Hard Labor and Shieldbearers are a nightmare
lament coral
yeah, they changed wavers and green bombers
hollow sorrel
murderboat is fair now
serene nexus
Yeah. There’s one less wave now
lament coral
and reduced the amount of enemies on MM barge by a lil
fallow niche
your build is either op or you lose 1-2 death defiances
serene nexus
They changed the Elysium miniboss too (the soul catcher)
lament coral
yeah, but he just teleports
serene nexus
Only one soul catcher but it teleports.
fallow niche
oh
hollow sorrel
old murderboat was defnitely "drop a pile of gold, and use the small space behind it as a semi-safe spot"
serene nexus
Which is pretty easy tbh
fallow niche
... so its easier now?
lament coral
he's also fatter now, too
fallow niche
two soulcatchers will always be harder
hollow sorrel
the moving soulcatcher was slightly annoying with the zeus shield
opaque pebble
I think they made all the elites a bit larger
fallow niche
i guess they had to nerf some enemies to match the boon and weapon nerfs 
lament coral
that was your mistake, playing with the wrong shield
serene nexus
Well given that the poison buff affected Styx and middle management didn’t really affect Styx...
hollow sorrel
every patch I'm required to hope and hope, and try to make it a thing
fallow niche
zeus shield's problem aint damage and the buff to its damage worries me it'll never be good because they wont notice why
lament coral
and as you might remember, 2 of those have poison attacks
fallow niche
styx mm isnt bad
serene nexus
It’s a very set and forget weapon. When I did use it I had success basically setting the AoE and forgetting it existed.
lament coral
that's because by the time you reach Styx you usually have damage
serene nexus
As long as you don’t have heightened security
lament coral
barge? You might not have an attack/cast/special
let alone an AOE option
also, was Athena's call buffed?
rare starts at 1.65 seconds
opaque pebble
You usually have to select god keepsakes and pray to Olympus that you get what you want
lament coral
yeah, that's why I suggested this
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/669668032804552734
serene nexus
Forcing builds (like trying to get Aphrodite attack all the time) has cost me my run too much to rely on a specific boon from a specific god
lament coral
it even worse if you have No Choice modifier
serene nexus
I did no choice to get the prophecy done and I have no intention of doing it ever again
My go to for heat is Extreme Measures, Forced Overtime, Tight Deadline, the hp bonus modifier which I can’t spell, and jury orders
If I’m using a melee I can use the blue heart pact
fallow niche
No Choice is not a choice I would ever pick for any heat (ha)
serene nexus
Especially now that barge and soul catcher has been nerfed, Middle Management is decent if you can deal with the Styx bosses.
rugged estuary
I think it's unfair that in styx, each room counts as an encounter for the purpose of well-items, but does not count as an encounter for the purpose of feather or butterfly.
Soul Catcher has been nerfed? I found it easier to deal with two catchers than to deal with one that constantly teleports around to be honest
lament coral
they'll give you 10 seconds per room for the feather, you good with that?
also, put small rats in every room
serene nexus
It doesn’t teleport around that often
lament coral
so good luck with that butterfly
opaque pebble
When you force a build, you'd need to take the weapon you're using into consideration. For instance, Stygius (Sword) is very fast and in your face, so Aphrodite would be perfect to reduce damage in close quarters. Coronaht (Bow), on the other hand, would fare better with Demeter, lining your attack and slowing enemies down to get multi-kills
serene nexus
Much less frequently than Medusa when I tried it
The issue is that you want Aphrodite on everything
lament coral
you can't just say sword, bow
they have aspects, and different aspects want different things
serene nexus
Cuz even nerfed Weak is still pretty strong
lament coral
Zag rail wants to shoot, Zeus attack is flat damage so goes with it better than any % based bonus
Hestia does big damage, so you want % bonus, for an even bigger damage
Eris does whatever it wants to, very flexible
hollow sorrel
I sort of wish I liked Aphro's utility stuff though. At least with Poseidon, his boons get more exciting when stacked. Aphro's be like "bunch of throwaway stuff, I usually don't care about"
lament coral
well, she has the max HP bonus
which is kinda weird now, because Demeter has that, too, and it's better
opaque pebble
Chaos Aspect shield + Dionysus + Shield bounce = Wine & Cheese party!
wind vale
also - i think (at least for last update, not sure now) Aphrodite was always the best or one of the best for bow main attack, all aspects
lament coral
because it also offers instant heal
shell trout
The God odf seasons quest from the list of minor prophecies never apeared for me? Does it trigger randomly at some point because I have seen Demeter a couple of time since the update. Still no quests.
lament coral
you don't want extra bounces
rugged estuary
@lament coral Considering I just cleaned three rooms in a row in 2 seconds, yes, I'll take 10 seconds per room 😛
serene nexus
She still is the best with almost all weapons except non-Hestia rail
opaque pebble
Even with the 3-bounce nerf, it's still pretty powerful
lament coral
that only affects the main shield and not the extra once
unkempt pagoda
@shell trout you might have to give her a nectar first
rugged estuary
@lament coral Demeter does not have max hp bonus. She amplifies healing, not max hp gain. Aphrodite does the opposite
lament coral
are you sure? The icons in her boon show max HP and HP
even when you hover over it it shows 2 HP tooltips
rugged estuary
I am 99% certain, yes
I've taken it last run and I am very sure I did not get extra max hp
@opaque pebble The nerf to 3 bounces isn't in the patch notes, is it? I was wondering
lament coral
I do remember it increasing my healing, cause Cthonic Vitality was restoring 4 HP instead of 3
rugged estuary
It makes the most sense that way too
Because it gives you an instant heal as well, which gets amplified by itself
little grotto
yes, it increases healing recieved for i think any sources
unkempt pagoda
the icon for the healing for demeter’s boon has the little green plus, compared to aphro’s who just has a heart
lament coral
why does it show the max HP icon then?
little grotto
dunno
unkempt pagoda
it’s a subtle difference
lament coral
wiki doesn't have the picture yet
karmic ginkgo
Hades hitboxes makes me big sad
shell trout
@unkempt pagoda she as 3 of em
balmy solstice
ffs can smbdy explain me how to fish here please
hollow sorrel
Does a ding sound, when I beat a room, mean there's a fishing spot?
lament coral
yes
hollow sorrel
omg, ty
balmy solstice
xD
hollow sorrel
fishing just became way less awful
junior shuttle
ok idk what they did to the game but it feels 40 percent harder
rugged estuary
Man, somehow I still keep convicing myself to take troves in styx.
They are so not worth it.
hollow sorrel
I think some of the AI got boosted? Like, the witches in the first biome seem to want to hide more, and the only reason I noticed it is because in the last patch, they blatently did that in ensylum rooms, but not in normal rooms
lament coral
how to fish: approach the pond, press the use button to set up your rod, now watch the red thing; it's gonna bob a bit without going under water, that's bait
radiant swallow
I take styx troves when they offer HP and I don't have time penalty
fossil wing
@hollow sorrel There were no changes to enemy AI. If you have specific examples (like the witches), it's good to hear about them.
lament coral
wait for it to become completely submerged and then reel it in
the pull message that appears right after you set up is just a button tooltip, not a prompt to pull
mighty ermine
@junior shuttle had a similar experience after the patch in general, and I'm not sure what to pin it on exactly. Had a very long win streak going that broke right after the patch hit haha
lament coral
I got confused by it, too
mighty ermine
fwiw hades does feel more threatening now, with his new combo in phase 2 for example
lament coral
if you take too long after the bobbing thing went under the water, you're gonna miss the fish
junior shuttle
yall be fishing whle i need to get 1 dadrn diamond but cant cause this game is now ez clapping Me
lament coral
save money and buy from Charon in Styx
then jump into the river for a quick trip home
or ask your good ol' dad for a ride back
hollow sorrel
@fossil wing It was probably just unfortunate luck then, but with I was using nemesis, the witches wanted to hover over spike traps, especially in corners, and I ended up just using special repeatedly, because trying to melee them in the middle of a trap sounded like a bad idea
fossil wing
@hollow sorrel Were you running any Pact Conditions?
hollow sorrel
Yeah, probably somewhere between 18-32 heat? I forgot where I was that run
surreal kestrel
wait i haven't explored this, can you actually give up a run using the shop before the final boss?
or is that a joke
ashen bloom
anyone knows if the fishing places are random? how does it work?
hollow sorrel
@amir And then one of the furies parked herself right over one of those constantly rupturing circles, and I was wondering if that was going to be a thing, where the AI knows I don't have any ranged attacks, so they'll park themselves in terrible places so I get to just sit there waiting for them to move
mild crag
@surreal kestrel yes you can give up if you buy certain things from the shop, like if you buy a boon it'll invalidate your checkpoint
@ashen bloom random chance to appear
ashen bloom
@mild crag are there any indicators for them then?
rugged estuary
I just finished a run, and under "Victory" on the right it says "Disciple of Chaos" does that mean anything?
mild crag
@ashen bloom it makes a noise if you're nearby and sometimes zag says something
hollow sorrel
@fossil wing it could have been bad luck though, it's just frustrating when I'm using nemesis, and the game is like "gotta go fast," but then I keep getting into situations where I can't attack for 10+ seconds because things are sitting in the middle of bad stuff
ashen bloom
oh, so it's like chaos gate noise, cool
mild crag
@rugged estuary Scion of Chaos you mean?
mighty ermine
@ashen bloom a distinct "ding" audio cue if one is in the room, only plays after an encounter though if there are enemies
lament coral
witches in Erebus always stick to columns, and when you try to walk up to them they keep circling them
mild crag
you can get Scion of Chaos if you ||finish a run with at least 3 chaos boons||
lament coral
could be related
vale sphinx
Is anyone aware if it’s possible to get both Dio+Zeus duo and Dio+Dem duo at the same time?
mild crag
I'm pretty sure you can but cannot confirm rn
hollow sorrel
@amir it happens in styx too, where things sit in the middle of a poison trap that's spitting out poison, and I just have to wait for the poison to stop. But the game did that last patch too, so it's not new
vale sphinx
Well DioDem changes the visual quite a bit, idk how it would work
It’s not like Dio cast at all
lament coral
it's only visuals, you still get Dio's haze effect
vale sphinx
Hmmm
fossil wing
@hollow sorrel our changes to Nemesis Aspect will be walked-back in the next patch. It would be great to hear your impressions the next time you get a chance to play.
mental current
I'm dumb
vale sphinx
Thanks a bunch
mental current
oh nevermind, speak of the devil
lament coral
ANOTEHR PATCH
rugged estuary
@mild crag Yes, scion, my bad
lament coral
junior shuttle
mmm those patch notes are yummy
fossil wing
Also by "next patch" I mean, this patch that is happening right now.
gray lintel
"Boons with knockaway deal bonus damage to bosses" welp guess who doesn't suck anymore 
hollow sorrel
@fossil wing thanks. I think I would be much more ok with the harsh nemesis nerf, if I didn't feel like I was getting nerfed, on top of still having to wait for stuff to move. The only other main example I can think of, is trial of the gods (e.g. monsters standing in the middle of Ares death circles that last a long time. I had a projectile slowdown one game the last patch, and it seemed like the Ares circles had 100% uptime)
fossil wing
@mighty ermine more gems from Styx fish!
warm kayak
I'm incredibly impressed with the quick turnaround on the patch today. What are the prices now for boons?
pure junco
Buffed support fire LOL
hollow sorrel
The ones in shops went up, I think. I usually have convenience fee stuck at 100%, so I'm used to not buying a lot of stuff from it
pallid venture
Oh did they just out out a patch rn?
bold bear
Stygian Blade (Nemesis): increased Critical chance *
Yeah, they put up a patch, largely rolling back/balancing some earlier things, I think
full flame
lol, i was literally just analyzing Guan Yu special because it was 50% slower than other aspects, but they just changed it i guess
warm kayak
Shops went from 150 to 200 but the notes from today say it got reduced (but no asterisk, so not all the way?)
hollow sorrel
where are the new patch notes?
rugged estuary
In the #hades-patch-notes channel
hollow sorrel
ty
rugged estuary
Like the changes. Well done!
I feel this validates my overall opinion on gold and shops 😄
lament coral
I'm guessing * changes mean reverted to the old patch values
junior shuttle
ok quality of life idea here but the pact of punishment should have a restart button
mighty ermine
just reading over it all and like, pretty much all of this is great
rugged estuary
^
mighty ermine
and the turnover time is wild, great work guys
lament coral
oh yeah
Some changes we fully walked back and marked with * below.
warm kayak
My biggest issues were drastic price increases and the poison and those got re-examined within like 24 hours
rugged estuary
Also, did anyone notice they added voice lines for Zag saying Ceberus other heads don't like to be pet?
gray lintel
but they're such good boys ;..;
rugged estuary
I find that hilarious.
mighty ermine
i got that one the other day haha
lament coral
they added a whole bunch of lines for various characters
limber imp
Did athena dash get fixed?
lament coral
but did you guys notice that Aphrodite/Dusa's voice changed?
mighty ermine
it did!
lament coral
it kinda bums me out
because sometimes you hear the old one, and sometimes you hear the new one
and there's a distinct difference between em
hollow sorrel
omg, ty devs! As a bonus, I was secretly hoping for the tight deadline timer to stop while fishing lol
blazing pawn
if they had to change VAs they may go back and have the new VA re-record the older lines
dire mason
Hey Zepp! The voice actor portraying Dusa and Aphrodite is actually the same! Though you're now hearing from across multiple recording sessions.
blazing pawn
oh well there ya go
lament coral
hm, I figured. Did Alecto get some new lines, too?
warm kayak
Darren took out too many coats from his closet
dire mason
I'm not fully sure who all we've had back for further recording sessions! It's possible she has "new" lines now that were recorded quite some time ago, if not every recorded line is used in the game immediately.
lament coral
Cunningham's new lines also sound distinctly different
at least the ones as the narrator
ocean pivot
RE: Nukesnipe's thoughts about the Elysium boss in #hades-feedback - it actually shocked me that the boss that survives doesn't get a huge buff when you kill the other boss. Instead of encouraging you to slowly get them down together, you just nuke one and then chase down the other, making sure to keep one above 50% so their second phase doesn't start. It's super weird.
warm kayak
That's what I expected too after years and years of WoW
lament coral
bull has a 2nd phase?
hollow sorrel
I thought the devs said in the stream yesterday that thesus gets like better chariot rockets if the bull dies first?
lament coral
I've only killed Theseus first twice: once on purpose, and once on accident
but I didn't notice anything different about Asterius
warm kayak
So yesterday I did my first run after unlocking the ||meg keepsake|| and figured I'd save them for hades since I thought it was the L2 button but when I got there and hit L2 nothing happened
lament coral
I didn't see any rockets
blazing pawn
Asterius gets slightly harder attacks at lower health
hollow sorrel
@proven agate that's been a thing since the previous patch
blazing pawn
like the backwards projectiles
lament coral
aren't those normal?
spiral slate
TIL there's people that like the theseus fight
blazing pawn
but nothing as dramatic as Theseus
spiral slate
hollow sorrel
Thanatos doesn't work eitehr that fight, I don't think
lament coral
you mean the triple wave shot after landing?
or colliding with an object during charge
blazing pawn
yeah Asterius doesn't do that at full health
spiral slate
lament coral
play against normal Theseus with 50% overtime
spiral slate
lmao
umbral halo
60 damage rockets. You're wrong
spiral slate
Theseus isn't challenging, dangerous or even threatening
he's an environmental hazard while you're fighting asterius
warm kayak
@hollow sorrel Ohhhh so I just got unlucky that the one time I tried to use it happened to be the one place it doesn't work?
hollow sorrel
Theseus' chariot is more threatening than generix elysium soldiers
lament coral
do they replace regular bombs?
spiral slate
And then he's still just an environmental hazard while you're dodging the god aoe things
hollow sorrel
@proven agate yes, for game reasons, meg and thanatos don't work that fight
lament coral
because if so, I don't see how that changes anything
hollow sorrel
and I heard you can't use meg against herself either
lament coral
just don't stand in the blast zone
warm kayak
AKA so you don't cheese the last fight?
lament coral
which is easily accomplished since Asterius is dead
no, because it wouldn't make sense, thematically
Hades is their boss
he's not the boss of Skelly or Sisyphus
I assume Medusa's companion doesn't work either
warm kayak
Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll drat
rugged estuary
I am pretty sure it's also balances reasons, because than / meg easily take a third or even half a health bar from him
hollow sorrel
^
rugged estuary
but masking that with lore is just fine
warm kayak
I did not outsmart amir with my 'upgrade to lvl 5 and save it til the end' plan
lament coral
I dunno, you can position Skelly in a fashion that could allow you to take out both phases of Hades
really, Sisyphus is the only "fair" companion in the Hades fight
native ether
RE: Nukesnipe's thoughts about the Elysium boss in #hades-feedback - it actually shocked me that the boss that survives doesn't get a huge buff when you kill the other boss. Instead of encouraging you to slowly get them down together, you just nuke one and then chase down the other, making sure to keep one above 50% so their second phase doesn't start. It's super weird.
It used to actually. First version of Theseus and the Minotaur. Once one of them died, the other got a massive speed boost and summoned Chariots at regular intervals.
It kinda felt too much tbh. Though I do agree they should get something.
spiral slate
ah
elfin pulsar
the chariots were extremely obnoxious
spiral slate
I went on hiatus like
right after elysium came out
I only ever went through it like 2-3 times but I never got to asterius/theseus themselves
Also I don't see any reason why you wouldn't kill Asterius first
He's faster, hits harder and is in general significantly more dangerous
Plus trying to dodge asterius and the god AoEs would just be
lament coral
perhaps Theseus should call for divine aid after Asterius dies
spiral slate
lament coral
not wait to fall out of his chariot
spiral slate
I like the idea I suggested
where he grabs Asterius' axe and starts chasing you around
have some mid-fight dialogue
lament coral
without the shield, right?
lament coral
like I said, extreme Theseus is a bro, normal Theseus is an ass
spiral slate
I haven't done any extreme anything so
lament coral
man, you're missing out!
pallid dagger
i thought this was referring to the aegis and i was like why dude, it's a cool shield
spiral slate
tf even is extreme anything
autumn bough
It is cool. It's cool how he completely no-sells half of your attacks.
spiral slate
that sounds terrible
also I don't get why so many people are hating on me pointing out that theseus isn't an interesting boss
but not the one where I actually suggest changes
inner inlet
i agree that he's a pretty 'meh' boss overall
inner inlet
and that him and asterius need more synergy
lament coral
bullhorn!
fallow niche
Also new spear aspect may be decent with buffs
Gonna give it a whirl
heh.
Whirl.
inner inlet
i'm way too much of a coward to play the guan yu spear
mighty ermine
it is just straight up stronger than other spear aspects at base, at least. it isn't the worst
fallow niche
Entirely wrong
umbral halo
The patch came only 30h after the previous one. Insane
fallow niche
Zag aspect and Achilles aspects were both very good
inner inlet
achilles aspect is my go-to
mighty ermine
the game itself says increased attack and special damage
this is what i am alluding to
inner inlet
it attacked at like half speed in the initial patch
fallow niche
That's damage not 'stronger' which is a more meta concept but i get ya
Also before it wasn't actually stronger than zag spear
inner inlet
haven't tried it out in the one that just dropped
mighty ermine
nah you're being weird about semantics but whatever
mighty ermine
uh, chill
fallow niche
🧊
Excited for the new special on GY
its almost an explosive launcher
Gonna see how it works out
limber imp
So gun yu feels good until man bull, that fight sucks for it
mighty ermine
make use of those pillars
rugged estuary
I took the explosion damages yourself thing with the aspect that grants a damage increase for standing in it
I am not a smart man
mighty ermine
the lifesteal special phases through em
autumn bough
Why is it that you have to clear a heat level to get any bounties for the next level, except for heat 0?
What makes heat 0 special?
burnt rune
Wave Pounding (Poseidon): newly added! Boons with knock-away deal bonus damage to bosses
holy moly I'm happy about this
hollow sorrel
heat 0 is special because you don't know about the pact yet
mighty ermine
getting infinite blood/diamond resources from low level heat once you get good enough would be too simple
there's still the broker for the long term, but getting them from progression with heat makes sense imo
autumn bough
but how can I farm blood to make my weapons good enough to actually use them now?
inner inlet
increased heat is the easiest way
frigid cape
Save gold for Styx and hope you get lucky
mighty ermine
they're usable at base, just not incredible
frigid cape
if you dont want to do heat runs
mighty ermine
low heat isn't so bad
inner inlet
buying from the styx shop is the way to do it in low heat but it's unreliable at best
autumn bough
I'm saying I can't do heat runs until I manage to beat the current one. Or else, I'd just keep farming Tartarus on one more heat each time.
mighty ermine
beating the current one with an unupgraded weapon is definitely doable!
whole jungle
you can buy it in styx or from the broker and you can get it from the fated list or bounties from fated list
inner inlet
fated list has some huge drops of otherwise limited resources, yeah
turbid needle
just want to say thank you for the quick patch after yesterday
autumn bough
Also, it's really weird that I have a bunch of bounties from 1 heat bow, but haven't beaten Hades with 0-heat bow. It kind of annoys me, tbh.
Guess that's my next mission
turbid needle
Bow's my favorite, but I definitely think it requires a more finicky build to actually win with
my wins on it are noticeably lower heat than the other weapons
I wish stuff like Support Fire had more synergy with its special for example
inner inlet
does skipping heat levels then returning to the lower one (ex. completing heat 5, then heat 7, then 6) still give you the bounty if you go back to the one you skipped?
fierce iron
Yes, it should anyway
inner inlet
alright ty
fallow niche
Oh god
fierce iron
I had to go back and beat Hades on heat 0 for shield or something for that titan blood
inner inlet
was too scared to check myself
mighty ermine
going above the bounty gauge just gives you the bounty rewards for where the gauge filled
fallow niche
the damage isnt the problem
mighty ermine
so there's no reason to go above the gauge in terms of material rewards
just challenge
or opening infernal gates, etc.
serene nexus
Or if you’re too lazy to fiddle around with the settings. Some people who restarted for steam update basically set heat to 10+ or so and just ran it again and again
inner inlet
im trying to get skelly's second special reward and i'm only on 11 rn, that's why I was curious
rugged estuary
I've reached 4 heat with the bow now. Curious to see what the infernal gates are like
fierce iron
I did my first infernal gate earlier today, went better than expected
but I was only heat 5, lol
heady zephyr
So how's the guandao now?
mighty ermine
yeah, erebus encounters in tartarus really aren't so bad
inner inlet
i like erebus a lot, it's a really fun risk/reward deal
it also fits my cowardly playstyle so that's probably why
rugged estuary
Can confirm boons are 175 now by the way
inner inlet
nice, 200 felt like a ripoff
limber imp
Waitm they got rid of the normal attack damage on zag spear
hollow sorrel
They buffed the zeus shield damage? I just updated, and it's still doing 30 damage to the training skeleton?
serene nexus
I tend to always run into Erebus gates when I get a chaos gate or a trial boon room so I never take it lol
limber imp
wtf, that made attack builds with it actually comfortable
fierce iron
Patch notes say damage rate for Zeus Aspect, but I haven't the chance to try it out yet
apparently
serene nexus
Looks like it became a buff to the special rather than just attack according to patch notes
limber imp
definately ticks faster now
hollow sorrel
It might be doing it more often. I can get 4 ticks against the training skeleton with my hover/return thing
hollow sorrel
whereas before, I wasn't getting 4 ticks, I don't think
mighty ermine
yee
hollow sorrel
and it seems like the return is faster? Am I just making this up?
I'm still required to try to make it a thing
Or maybe the radius is bigger
somehow, it doing more ticks on the skeleton, for whatever reason
mighty ermine
this is what the patch notes mean by increased damage rate, yeah
heady zephyr
If it ticks even faster, that's actually better than higher damage per tick
mighty ermine
definitely
heady zephyr
Since zeus shield was especially great as a status applier
dim ridge
okay how the hell do we get the chaos legendary