lmao
#h1-builds-and-combat
teal laurel
bold bear
@hot ember Can you lead enemies into the beam, rather than the other way around?
grizzled talon
With single player games like this I prefer they make all weapons strong rather than making the better ones weak
But hey I'm not a game maker lol
turbid needle
^
teal laurel
it does a TON more
hard holly
Thats why you use Minotaur Rush + Sudden Rush
bold bear
I could see them not wanting to make the game too easy
hot ember
Kind of, but the beams still turn super slow and are super narrow
bold bear
And therefore nerfing the weapons that are too good
hard holly
I mean, thats fair, but regular shield already felt stronger
teal laurel
yeah but shotgun shield was consistent damage that can only get better
bold bear
I could see a special that improves her cast
teal laurel
cause that's hammer less
hard holly
And Hestia Rail just blows everything out of the water
bold bear
I am fairly sure there'll be a poseidon+demeter duo
hot ember
I have her special that causes a frozen burst when you cast but haven't found anything else yet.
teal laurel
Regular shield was bonk
hot ember
Something that makes the beams faster/wider would be good
teal laurel
i agree
bold bear
Is hestia rail the sniper one or the other one?
hard holly
Whatever, as I said, I dont care
teal laurel
ut chaos is stronger
hard holly
Because Im not using Chaos ever
teal laurel
same
hard holly
It was worse before than regular shield, its worse than regular shield now
fallen quarry
?
turbid needle
Now that’s a hot take, for old chaos shield that is
teal laurel
yet
turbid needle
Ouch lol
bold bear
But healing
hard holly
Eh, Ive been of the same opinion on shields special for years
teal laurel
also that new sword hammer buffs
hard holly
Its consistently been the worst one
teal laurel
no sword kit buffs sadly
hard holly
It grants you minor safety compared to the others
In exchange for extreme damage loss
turbid needle
If there is an aphrodite + demeter duo boon I think that would make this game easy mode
chilled seems kinda broken
hard holly
Chaos Aspect made it better, but then it competes with just bullrushing
bold bear
Chilled is pretty damn good
teal laurel
TBH spear special is kinda the most ZZZZZ
hard holly
Where its less safe, synergizes less well
Nah, Spear Special is bloody amazing
Easily the best one
Especially once you get Explosive Launcher
turbid needle
Chaos shield was basically a x5 multiplier to that at close range, and that means a lot
fallow niche
It used to be so much better too
hard holly
I mean its just a gamewinner on its own
fallow niche
NEW HYDRA
teal laurel
I see
hard holly
The problem is a 5 times multiplier is a lot
teal laurel
Exploding spear is the only
fallow niche
Wow that fight went really fast this time
teal laurel
spear upgrade i havent gotten
hard holly
But a 5 times multiplier to a special with basically no damage isnt
teal laurel
can i get it with achi spear
fallow niche
OH NO THEY FIXED THE BOULDY EXPLOIT
hard holly
Its basically the shotgun rail, but slower and worse
grizzled talon
Wonder if modding is a thing for this game, would love to see some adjusted values and stuff
fallow niche
you can't trap the hydra in a jail of gold anymore 
turbid needle
The damage was OK, but then you get, y’know, any special boon that deals damage and you are set
hard holly
I actually tested a flat base damage version of spear a while back
I mean
Explosive Launcher
Back before it had it
Felt much better, so I put that in feedback
teal laurel
🤔 also i just realized zagreus sword buff is good
hard holly
And they ended up implementing something like that
quasi knoll
laser is fun
teal laurel
longer dash is what i want
hard holly
Maybe not because of me
teal laurel
cause i keep getting stuck on stuff
turbid needle
That’s the new zag sword buff, dash distance
quasi knoll
also what even is Rare Crop?
bold bear
Eyy
hard holly
Its still worse than shotgun rail
bold bear
You can lifesteal off of pots
hard holly
Anyway, dont like the new Zag aspect for spear tbh
It doesnt feel impactful enough
And now special is screwed
turbid needle
Chariot nerfs are lowkey a huge sword buff lol
hard holly
Time to take Guan Yus aspect for a spin
bold bear
What did they change on zag?
quasi knoll
increased dash distance
turbid needle
Zag sword now gives increased dash distance
bold bear
Instead of movespeed, right?
bold bear
Meh replacement for a meh effect 😛
turbid needle
Oh lord
teal laurel
the wording is also
bold bear
Oh, nice, meh effect+meh effect=slightly decent effect
hard holly
What god has the highest % boons now
tawny viper
Is fishing something that does anything? I usually hate fishing in games, so I wanna know if I can safely just ignore it.
turbid needle
In terms of damage ? Unless aphro got stealth-nerfed or demeteri outdamages her, she’s still queen in terms of damage
hollow sorrel
The jail of gold is what made the old murder boat semi tolerable
turbid needle
Aphro damage 
bold bear
They improved the murderboat, I think
turbid needle
Nerfed it for middle management, yes
hard holly
What good game doesnt have a fishing minigame
radiant basin
thank god
karmic ginkgo
I gave skelly a bunch of ambrisoia how do i get his super keepsake
hollow sorrel
He’ll randomly give you a quest
granite vine
it's a big something
azure torrent
is it just me or does the spin attack with spear feel laggy now
azure torrent
it feels like it slows whenever it hits an enemy
turbid needle
That too, but that was always a thing
azure torrent
so when you hit 4 or 5 it slows for each of them'
latent badger
where do we put in typos? I noticed a typo that Hades says when I buy something from the contractor
azure torrent
yea i know but it feels more intense now
dense star
Huh, ares/aphrodite doom boons on shield special kinda just deleted Theseus/Asterius for me
@latent badger
neon ridge
anyone knows how does a fishing spot looks like
bold bear
I wanna have Poseidon Zagreus + Demeter's chill burst on cast + artemis' damage when casts get removed from the enemy
So much deeeps
atomic locust
what are the heals?
bold bear
The spin attack heals, I believe
bold bear
The cursed blade from zagreus is really good
It also cuts your health into bits
But gives you heal on attack
granite vine
demeter also has a boon ||that improves your healing||
hard holly
So far Im not too impressed by Guan Yu
charred ruin
how do you get the new spear?
granite vine
it's just another aspect
charred ruin
it's not available to me, like all other 4th aspects
neon ridge
you need to talk to Achilles
grizzled talon
Just play more until Achilles has to talk to you
pastel jolt
oh heck i already got demeter's legendary
hard holly
Whats Demeters legendary?
granite vine
*shuts ears and sings loudly
proper jolt
I don't know yet
pastel jolt
if anyone's curious - i got frost strike and then winter blast (explosion on 10 stacks of chill)
hard holly
Oh I so hope that works on bosses
Also, hilarious visual bug
If you hit the new gold pillars in asphodel
Once they take visual damage they briefly revert to the old ones
bold bear
Wow, a flat 10% Hp reduction for every enemy is pretty good
granite vine
Oh I so hope that works on bosses
And then after it kills the last enemy in the room, Zag goes "That was cold."
acoustic sapphire
"dozens of new renovations" that's gonna be fun!
turbid arch
Does anyone have a clear picture of Demeter from the gamefiles?
Those things usually immediatly pop up on the reddit.
hollow sorrel
I was really hoping Demeter would be sky blue. Her color looks too similar to Poseidon. Update: never mind, I got the colors mixed. I think she is frost blue.
pastel jolt
i'm loving the frosty blue-white
formal basin
The base damage of the bow's dash attack was the same as it's regular attack before, right?
granite vine
no, it was like 60%
formal basin
Ok, guess I just misremembered then.
formal basin
Thought there was a nerf not in the patch notes.
turbid arch
It used to be the same, butthen they buffed the regular attack
hard holly
But Quick Spin makes the spin attack so much less painful
turbid arch
Guan Yu is dangerous.
granite vine
yeah, it doesn't look like my kinda weapon
turbid arch
For roomclear, it's great, but against bosses, it can be hard to keep the incoming damage in check with the selfheal
teal laurel
wait guan yu is the only 4th aspect righ
bold bear
So far
formal basin
I feel like the health deficit is pretty steep at first. I mean, I only had enough Blood to get level one, but I literally cannot enter a chaos portal right now.
burnt rune
cursed slash feeling pretty busted rn
proud storm
everyone sleeping on life drinker redux
copper berry
Life drinker was my jam.
pastel jolt
it's been so long since i had to give anyone nectar that i keep forgetting to give some to demeter ;w;
hard holly
Its so-so
old perch
gets you one shot on bosses while you're trying to charge up your attack
full flame
wow the cost increase for boons in shops, why???
granite vine
I always felt they were far too cheap tbh
old perch
and the spear is too slow to even stunlock mobs
fallen quarry
What is chill suppose to do? I'm not noticing anything different
besides give me something towards priv
crimson axle
Did the fated prophecies reset for affected gods with the boon additions/removals? Just wondering if I need to redo my completed prophecies or not
old perch
slow movement and attack maybe? i just had it, felt pretty good since it lasts so long for priv
fallen quarry
maybe it's from forced overtime, but a non chilled next to a chilled enemy that are the same are both moving and attacking the same speed and way
grizzled talon
Anyone else noticing frame drops when entering asphodel?
fallen quarry
for me...
karmic ginkgo
I wanna use the new fishing rod so much
atomic locust
ok the spear aspect is decent
after trying it fro a bit
its better fully upgraded
limber imp
So athena dash no longer causes exposed
odd heath
hm, Chaos shield doesn't feel chaotic anymore
karmic ginkgo
What do the new fishing pools look like
Also i was vibing with the new spear right up until the boss
burnt rune
ok the hard counter against cursed slash is poison 
hard holly
One gripe I do have with Guan Yu
It doesnt have that spinning slash I was hoping it would have
Like where he would whirl the weapon around slashing in front
pastel jolt
so this is turning out to be a bizarrely fun build
burnt rune
but anyway, those sound pretty good https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/96434588309540864/669264043395252224/unknown.png
Ravenous Will works pretty well with Demeter's own cast
proper jolt
You have no idea how good her call is Jesus Christ man her cast is fun as well
pastel jolt
i wonder what killing freeze means when it emphasises "all" foes
warm kayak
How much did they raise the prices on boons from charon?
proper jolt
I think 50
warm kayak
That stings 😦
burnt rune
I got her call and cast
pretty fun indeed
Last boss new patterns seem less linear/more erratic, gonna take a while to get used to it
also whew, new Hydra fight is much better
full flame
is it just me or is Demeter keepsake icon broken and looks just like Zeus'
elfin pulsar
guan yu with demeter stuff is super fun
its like setting up shop with all ur laser beams and ur spinny blade coming out
and then my new favorite non-maxed call for anybody who gets close
havent even used her full call yet, the one bar seems to do so much
unkempt ridge
new spear aspect is interesting
seems too slow to be useful at high heat, but... maybe I'm wrong
elfin pulsar
i got quick spin like 3 rooms in this run
radiant basin
unkempt ridge
it works alright with the extra damage/bigger spin hammer
but yeah, it's really hard to get it off without getting hit
full flame
also, Merciful End doesn't seem to be working at all
charred ruin
what's the stats of the new spear aspect when maxed out?
unkempt ridge
-60% hp
hard holly
Yup
old perch
unintended i'm sure, but you can destroy pots after a room is clear to regain health
or the skulls in asphodel anyway
pallid sky
holy heck they made it way harder
unkempt ridge
I'm certain that they'll change that, its supposed to be a leech effect
karmic ginkgo
The new hydra fight was suprising
unkempt ridge
anyone seen the new duo boons yet?
hollow sorrel
Hydra is awesome now?
unkempt ridge
I dont want spoilers on effect, but what gods she pairs with would be cool
hard holly
Whats the difference with Hydra?
unkempt ridge
less stages, more damage
pallid sky
they cut it in half
thank the gods
basically removed the dumb stage with only 2 heads
changed the map a bit
hard holly
I see
I played the upgraded version
Where the map is the same
But I did notice that there was one less stage
hollow sorrel
Do the heads still hover over deep lava?
unkempt ridge
the change on ares' call is pretty awesome
I thought the damage nerf would suck, but the movespeed buff makes up for it imo
super useful in normal rooms now
I';d say "its a better athena buff" but I havent had the chance to test hers yet 😛
burnt rune
guan yu might make me play spear without being a special spam machine
karmic ginkgo
Boly hell hades is so much more agressive
unkempt ridge
speaking of spam machines, the new dash hammer for spear is insane
dense star
Anything that makes hydra be a faster fight is sweet
icy edge
I wanted to pitch feedback that Rare Crop should keep running after the initial upgrade, but then I realized sunken treasure is a thing and one-off boons are legit.
pastel jolt
welp, i lost against hades :c
spice turret
Oh, is he declassified now?
unkempt ridge
so just fought hydra with new spear + extra damage on spin hammer + artemis attack and damn does that setup do a ton of damage
also hydra fight feels so much better
copper berry
Well the game is named after him 
charred ruin
what's the cost to maxing out the new spear?
lean sluice
can someone remind me how many chambers there are per zone
charred ruin
Is it 3+2+3+4+5?
cosmic shadow
Guan Yu's aspect is... odd
pallid sky
hyuk hyuk hyuk
cosmic shadow
it's like having to relearn the entire weapon from the scratch
unkempt ridge
anyone else noticed that the built in immunity on taking a large % of your hp is making the spear aspect substantially better?
cosmic shadow
because of how different the attack speed is
also they killed my boy zagreus spear
pallid sky
i suppose it would be entirely unplayable without
cosmic shadow
I maxed it out because I liked that special speed/range
unkempt ridge
it's still there isnt it? just not as extreme
unkempt ridge
demeter cast is.... meh
radiant basin
what about hera bow
burnt rune
I cannot tell if Massive Spin affects Guan Yu
pastel jolt
🤔 how do you unlock the new spear aspect? mine still says Aspect of ???
old perch
athena dash isn't applying exposed?
burnt rune
damage yeah, the area I really couldn't notice, should've taken note of the size before getting it
unkempt ridge
talk to achilles
harsh flower
How do you "give up" and choose to die to end a run? I'm stuck crashing in a room if I move to the left and wanna quit this run
burnt rune
@pastel jolt achilles will call you after a run if you have enough aspects, talk to him and "talk" to the spear
pastel jolt
ah
unkempt ridge
die to a trap squip
thorny edge
Demeter Dash, Hermes extra dashes,, and a curse afflicting attack is aa fun combo
harsh flower
There's no trap to die to before I can crash
There's no way for me to choose to die, no enemies spawn or anything
burnt rune
can you spell overhealing https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/487350673034313758/669274167086153758/unknown.png
unkempt ridge
oh hey, the new spear spin can damage shield dudes cause of the penetration
solid cairn
Is shady still the best companion
radiant basin
is that normal spin or do you mean guan yu?
fallow niche
Alright
Tried the new spear
Beat a run with it
Its okay
It has problems
To be more specific
The lack of health from hearts and things is extremely bad
Like the lifesteal doesn't make up for it when you lifesteal for so little comparatively
grizzled talon
Pro tip guys, Demeter's new cast can track invisible enemies like the final boss
fallow niche
You can cheese your way through most fights but I imagine on high heat - and I especially found this on the final fight - you can just get your health chunked and you can't do anything about it
Also relying on spin attacks - which are terrible - makes it also quite sad
Good news is that Demeter is bonkers
green island
Does anyone know how to fish? I'm having some trouble trying to discover the mechanic :c
fallow niche
@green island A tone will play when you enter a room with a fishing spot available
Then you find it near some 'waterside'
Mind you, you need the fishing rod
Which costs a diamond from the contractor
muted needle
oooh got a Poseidon-Demeter Duo --- Blizzard Shot : Your Cast moves slowly, piercing foes and firing shards around it. >Shard Damage: 15
solid cairn
Yo I’m so hyped to lab Demeter
green island
Oh thank you @fallow niche !
solid cairn
I don’t even know what the effect is
green island
That helps a lot!
solid cairn
I knew it would be slow
fallow niche
Some enemies just... stop
muted needle
@green island Also it may not be active in aroom until you accept the boon
fallow niche
They literally just stop functioning
thorny edge
got into a Trial of the Gods room, seems like the god you pick first now has a brief voice clip thanking you
fallow niche
Her other boons are good too
solid cairn
Good attack boon?
fallow niche
All around very cool, very unique god
burnt rune
guan yu + ares on attack is something
fallow niche
It doesn't deal a lot of damage but the slow is so good its worth considering @solid cairn
solid cairn
Bro I seriously called that it would be slow
fallow niche
The slow stacks
burnt rune
Demeter chill gets great when you get the 10 chills = blast boon
fallow niche
And then you can also get a DoT for i t
solid cairn
So zag spear got buffed
fallow niche
Zag spear got changed @solid cairn
The previous one was great for explosive launcher
cosmic shadow
oh god the soul catcher middle management
fallow niche
oh god
yeah im seeing that
why god
teleporting soul catcher
that also just moves
cosmic shadow
god is dead and we killed him
solid cairn
Wait so it doesn’t increase the speed and range anymore
fallow niche
Nope
It just adds 10 flat damage to attack
and dash attack
Completely replaced
Basically Zeus Flurry is best build for zag spear now
fallow niche
Its not bad
unkempt ridge
its.... meh
fallow niche
Its just not great
unkempt ridge
it's not amazing, but it's not bad
cosmic shadow
So what are the exact changes aside from the spin attack?
fallow niche
Changes?
cosmic shadow
It attacks slower, that much I can tell
fallow niche
You mean the new aspect?
solid cairn
So Demeter is most likely gonna be in the top 3 gods along with arte and aphro
cosmic shadow
Can't quite figure out how much more damage it does
unkempt ridge
attacks slower but does more damage with attacks, and lowers your maximum hp
fallow niche
I have no clue what max is talking about, talking about the Zag change or the new aspect?
cosmic shadow
Guan Yu, my bad
fallow niche
It attacks slower, has more damage, and has more range
Its spin attacks go forward like blade rifts
Their damage and speed depend on how much you charge t hem
upper flint
?
burnt rune
hm, is it just me or Poseidon call is doing much more damage?
fallow niche
Your health is reduced by 60% (AND any hp or healing you get from hearts and stuff)
burnt rune
also, not guan yu spear still has 2 attacks or all of them have 3?
radiant basin
oh god the special upgrade on bow is so terrible with chiron lmao
fallow niche
But your spin attack lifesteals for 1 health per tick
upper flint
im gonna ask : who is your favourite god?
onyx flint
ok tell me if im off base here but Guan Yu is cool and all but the name just seems kinda off theme in comparison to the rest of the aspects?
fallow niche
That's the point
solid cairn
So new spear turns it into a heavy weapon
onyx flint
maybe all the 4th aspects will be less greece related tho
fallow niche
Yeah I imagine that now
On stream they just mentioned how it opens up design possibilities for the team
unkempt ridge
whoh dusa's actually taking time off and talking with Meg, is that allowed?
onyx flint
ah cool i didnt get to see the stream
serene nexus
She never asked if she had time off
And it’s cute how Meg sees Dusa as more of a sister than her actual sister were
serene nexus
looks like Meg might be fine sharing Zag with Dusa Polyamory FTW
unkempt ridge
oh wow they did completely change zag spear
I thought it was in addition to, not just a replacement
fallow niche
Take that romance stuff to spoilers my dudes
burnt rune
aphro dash doesn't have the huge heart on your face anymore
fallow niche
Also athena dash seems to have gotten a heavy nerf
It doesn't apply exposed status anymore
serene nexus
Yeah reduced I-frames.
fallow niche
No, like exposed status isn't proc'ing
serene nexus
I felt the broken spear point nerf
fallow niche
At all
unkempt ridge
not applying exposed may be unintentional
pastel jolt
okay, what the "charged volley" upgrade for bow doesn't mention is that it means tapping the volley only shotguns the area irectly in front of you
unkempt ridge
you mean if you dont charge it, it gives less range?
fallow niche
Basically everything needs better descriptions in the game which I need to point out
Reminds me a lot of other games with being far, far too vague
unkempt ridge
I think most of the descriptions work fine 90% of the time
and it only takes 1 use of something to figure out what it does
very curious what the 4th aspect of the bow will be
pastel jolt
yeah i'm really not feeling charged volley on chiron bow
unkempt ridge
also, why would they nerf the zagreus aspect of the shield? it really wasnt that amazing to begin with....
turbid needle
if they're sticking with the theme of using people from other cultures, my first immediate guess is Robin Hood LOL
old perch
boldie's drops still cause collision
pastel jolt
if you don't charge it up, the shots still home but they vanish before reaching the target
radiant basin
tight deadline doesnt pause while fishing 😩😩😩😩😩
fallow niche
I'm loving seeing them die on steam using the new spear
hard holly
Thats all charged abilities IIRC
Same with Charged Launcher
Didnt like it
Never gonna pick it again
And Guan Yus aspect is weird
It feels kinda weak rn
unkempt ridge
the charged effect should make it do more damage, but not decrease the range, especially on normally spammable abilities
fallow niche
"He needs to get a big spin off to gain all his life back"
gets max spin off
gains 4 life total
"Great!"
gets chunked for 20-something damage twice and dies
Yeah its not that good
deep vault
I feel like they made things harder because I just failed 2 4 heat runs
aaaa
or maybe demeter things just aren't that good
hard holly
Guan Yu is a figure from Chinese Myth/History
turbid needle
So new spear aspect is a gimmick, got it
hard holly
A famous general under Liu Bei
deep vault
so maybe the final aspects are all wielders from outside of greece?
fallow niche
Maybe? Would be cool
hard holly
Possible
fallow niche
I just want more fun weps idc if they come from the trash can
hard holly
I mean Excalibur for sword is an obvious choice
Or to use its most accurate name
Caledfwlch
Yes, thats 6 consonants in a row
unkempt ridge
I believe the idea is that all the final aspects will be wielders from the future
hard holly
Isnt Welsh a lovely language?
cosmic shadow
trying to think of famous archers that aren't robin hood since it'd overlap with King Arthur country-wise
Nasu no Yoichi or something
turbid needle
hmmm.... I wonder what the rail will be, I'm having a very hard time conceptualizing who they would choose for that haha
al capone? bonnie and clyde? LOL
wet dagger
Atalanta? huntress, archery... altho would get overlapped with Artemis
deep vault
maybe not that on the nose
hard holly
Didnt Gilgamesh use a bow and arrow?
teal wren
my goodness the spear triple dash attack feels amazing
wet dagger
careful u guys, before this turns into Fate/Go ... then Gil would just be in everything
hard holly
So uh
Yeah I guess we found the shield
I wouldve said Hou Yi for bow
But we already got Guan Yu
Plenty of bows in Hindu Mythology to pick from though
unkempt ridge
oooo... new dio dash is pretty cool
hard holly
Rail is probably going to be some crossbow or otherwise mythological projectile weapon
Could also just pull from the idea of a "Freischütz"
turbid needle
the thing with the german devil?
hard holly
Medieval german mythology about hunters who make a deal with the devil in exchange for 6 bullets that cant miss
Or more accurately
Hit what you want them to hit
cosmic shadow
Simo Hayha
unkempt ridge
yeaaaaah the charged special on the chiron bow feels terrible
it should start at half distance and charge in half the time it currently does
royal coral
demeters legendary seems a little bit overtuned tbh
autumn bough
Athena aspect for shield would make most sense, tbh.
hard holly
Wait, does Chill actually work right now?
humble arrow
Sword could easily also not be Excalibur but the grasscuter blade from shinto myth
Bow could potentially be egyptian based too
Egypt had plenty of hunters
serene nexus
There were a lot of famous archers from Indian mythos as well.
hard holly
Ok, how does Fishing work
serene nexus
Find a glowing spot in some water (you’ll hear a special noise if one pops up) and cast the line with e. When the bobber goes under the water completely, you hit e again
Think animal crossing type fishing
hard holly
Ah, so its just precise timing
unkempt ridge
FREEEEEDOOOOOOMMMM
hard holly
Dang
unkempt ridge
her duo boons improve it
like ares
worst cast in game till youy get the duo
but yeah her cast is bad
lament coral
it's too slow to track enemies, and it doesn't even freeze them
humble arrow
What does her cast do?
unkempt ridge
I think chill is broken currently
humble arrow
At work so cant play
unkempt ridge
I havent seen it slowing anything
lament coral
summons a crystal that shoots a continuous beam for a few seconds
unkempt ridge
basically creates your own crystal laser dude
keen shard
What does new spear do?
unkempt ridge
lots 😛
keen shard
Im using it in hellmode wish me luck
humble arrow
Spiked collar time
unkempt ridge
it doesnt drop your hp to 20, it removed 80-60% of your hp
humble arrow
Lmao
lament coral
I just did a 14 hear run with it
it's unplayable unless you get the charge speed hammer
unkempt ridge
if you're running without hp in the mirror it'll drop you lower
lament coral
it's 40 with mirror, 20 without
humble arrow
Yikes
lament coral
it's fine, just dodge
keen shard
Online
lament coral
also, it speartip trash?
keen shard
Dont get hit 4 head
unkempt ridge
it has built in lifesteal, ez mode
lament coral
10 second cooldown seems inhumane
keen shard
What happened to spear point
stark condor
Wait 20 HP? Does that mean you can’t even take a chaos gate?
keen shard
Did they nerf sheild?
lament coral
yep
lament coral
both
bronze mural
at least when you take centaur's hearts it give you 5 hp so you can take chaos gate later
lament coral
Chaos now shoots shields in a star pattern around Zag instead of in front of him
so in a small room, it's still potent
in a large space, less so
stray frigate
is it me or new Aphro lines have different voice???
bronze mural
demeter's attack is kinda strong tho
hard holly
Alright, if you get a trial of the gods, try to not anger demeter
Her version is nasty
She summons frost circles that do damage while youre on them, and they expeand until theyre massive
unkempt ridge
anyone had a chance to try the new aphrodite cast yet?
hard holly
And they spawn right ontop of enemies
barren plume
@unkempt ridge So imagine old aphro cast as a sawed off shotgun. Now it's just a slugger shotgun
ornate remnant
it's my first time using chaos shield and i don't see an extra shield all the time when i throw
how doesi t work
lament coral
yeah, Aphro sounds different, Medusa too
higher pitched, I wanna say
except for Dusa, who sounds less snakey, for some reason
barren plume
Medusa sounds the same????
green island
Quick question; I'm the only one experiencing lag in Asphodel or that's common?
It didn't use to lag before
Feels weird
lament coral
nah, her voice doesn't reverberate as much as the old one
royal coral
does demeter have some duo's?
lament coral
she does
royal coral
which other gods ?
odd heath
supportfire now seems kinda useless except for ultra spam builds
stark condor
How big was the nerf to support fire?
ornate remnant
does chaos shield not work when there's only 1 enemy
odd heath
epic to 12 i guess
ornate remnant
i don't get it
twilit ridge
So anyone know the deets on 'Killing Freeze'? I assume it doesn't affect bosses?
unkempt ridge
down to 7 damage on a normal boon, unsure about epic
stark condor
That’s huge
unborn sparrow
12 on epic confirmed
stark condor
Pretty much useless unless you have the railgun now
odd heath
yeah, was kinda usable on semi fast attacking builds even spear, but now, not sure
stark condor
Seems a lot more of a niche pick now
odd heath
yes, also the spreading of all the cast buffs seems to make it hard to put a cast build together
lament coral
Support Fire seems useless period unless you get an epic version right away
stark condor
I’m a little disappointed that they nerfed the good booms instead of buffing the ones no one picked
radiant basin
https://puu.sh/F2iwj/649f47d1b3.jpg its so fast now
lament coral
yeah, I'm not keen on some of the changes
odd heath
well, it's early access, so it's ok, some stuff sure isn't balanced.
still some nerfs hurt hard
unborn sparrow
nah, it hasn't got proper art yet.
lament coral
I see
unborn sparrow
Same as her healing boon using athena art
dense star
Yeah, sounds like Support fire got it's damage halved, yeesh
I mean it was great with multihits
keen shard
Tell me
dense star
Guess it can still go off with stuff like Pressure Points & Hunter's mark on the spam runs
stark condor
7 damage on a common just seems so low. That’s 80 damage on a full railgun clip.
keen shard
Tell meeeee
autumn bough
Maybe support fire should do a percentage of what procced it
toxic tusk
I'm seing the Dev stream and I got to ask: do Cruel Thrust stack with the blade dash attack?
odd heath
poseidon has large damage modifiers to counter it. but i have to agree, wihtout zeus + duo and both debuffs its often pretty weak
lament coral
oh, they fixed the keepsake's icon already
hard holly
Huh
keen shard
My thought is mby
hard holly
Charged Throw seems incredibly useless
keen shard
With razor shole
odd heath
all charged atteks seem increadible useless
keen shard
If boss or mob has over x hp valur
odd heath
*attacks
keen shard
It does like %hp dmg
stark condor
I don’t think every weapon needed a charge option
keen shard
Like 1.5 or sumtin
autumn bough
Unless they fundamentally changed spear throw, it will still feel disappointing to use, period
hard holly
I meant the shield special
keen shard
Only good with chain bounce
hard holly
Spears special is amazing
muted needle
charged chaos shield is wicked
odd heath
bow is kinda ok with dash-charge-chaining, but evey other charge options do not fit the game
hard holly
Shield special has a hammer called Charged Throw
And its 300% bonus damage on special which is pretty much irrelevant
Especially since you have to charge for it
keen shard
Cant wait to try out new spear in hell mode
hard holly
I like the other options less though
muted plank
Athena's dash doesn't trigger merciful end or make enemies exposed :/
hard holly
So might as well pick it for the prophecy
stark condor
Bow has the same option for charge on special. And it seems equally useless
keen shard
Whats the cd on spear point?
odd heath
so, 10 new hammer upgrade which are mostly useless and reduce the chance of actually getting good ones
viral fossil
broken spearpoint feels so useless now
wind vale
is the bow special charge available with chiron?
keen shard
Hmm im trying to figure out
Whats best keepsake option
For hellmode
Aftrt nerf
On spear point
stark condor
Yeah I feel like they’re diluting the pools while making it more difficult to control the variance through shops. I don’t get it.
somber wharf
what are your guys thoughts on cursed sword
keen shard
Sword is still a meme cmv
dense star
Athena dash not working for merciful end, rip
odd heath
and shops are useless too now with the increased cost pre boon
keen shard
And nerf to coin purse
somber wharf
when i take a hit it fills up my call gauge a lot more than i feel it should so
it could be fun maybe ish
viral fossil
do you feel the game is slower and heavier?
keen shard
So lads best option to replace spear point for hell modr?
barren plume
River styx boon that used to be 300 is now 650 OMEGALUL
wispy wagon
Just finished a run with the Guan Yu
autumn bough
“You guys were winning too much so we added a bit more random trash.”
stark condor
Pretty much
keen shard
Devs: git gud 
hard holly
Hold on
odd heath
not entirely sure about all the nerfs overall, have to test out some more, but making the game harder for the sake of it doesn't seem to be appealing to me.
hard holly
Did they buff shields special damage at some point?
stray frigate
explain pls what rare crop does?
stark condor
I’d much rather they buff the weaker options and allow us to add additional challenge to compensate
cobalt coyote
How do I use the rod of fishing? Zag just said that there was a location to fish, but I can't seem to interact with it
stray frigate
cus i see this http://prntscr.com/qqz69v
odd heath
would prefere this as well
barren plume
@stray frigate 3 Boons reset to common. Every 3 encounters they upgrade to next rarity
keen shard
Translate komrade
stray frigate
@barren plume is it happen constantly or only once?
barren plume
Constant.
stark condor
That’s kind of cool at least
stray frigate
wow cool stuff
odd heath
a cooldown to spearpoint was surely required, but 10 seconds makes it kinda useless for styx
stark condor
Seems like they’re nerfing all of the damage mitigation options
autumn bough
Actual Greek in my game about the Greek underworld?
twilit stag
How do you use the rod?
scarlet mango
Just used World Splitter and the new Cursed Slash with a 134% Aphrodite Attack and yeahh.... I think I just overhealed even the Final Boss' attacks
keen shard
U can say his name here yah know
scarlet mango
I got used to treating him as though he Must Not Be Named
autumn bough
Just don’t say it three times in a row, or he might show up.
humble arrow
I am so moxed about new release. Spearpoint was needed for styx in my opinion espetially if you couldnt find good reflect
But i am trash
So eh
humble arrow
Okay I needed it for styx
dense star
Right now I just auto click skelly keepsake at styx
stark condor
It was probably the best relic, but now it’s completely useless
Yeah Tooth feels like the best option right now
barren plume
Bow aside, I can not stand using the dio cast. I can't stand not having the boiling blood bonus. If you're doing the limited darkness heat option sure I guess it's better but other than that I can't get past the no boiling blood.
scarlet mango
tbh Demeter's new cast kinda makes me feel the same about not having boiling blood available
keen shard
Thinking mby using achlies aspect now in hell mode need to experiment 
solid cairn
so new spear is big dumb
barren plume
Demeter I can't even use remotely. Like if you ahve zeus or dem duo with dio then sure yeah take dio cast. Dem cast tho? Why the heck would you take it.
solid cairn
I like to put dem on something that can apply status fast
scarlet mango
Because you secretly identify as a Brimstone maybe
keen shard
Im glad they realised
humble arrow
Wait infinity chamber is gone?
scarlet mango
Infinity Chamber got a new name and fires in 3 burst shots
barren plume
Hydra is a lot better now.
humble arrow
Does it still not reload
dense star
Yep
keen shard
Worse designed boss by far
stark condor
How is the 3 round burst? Haven’t gotten it yet
humble arrow
Nice
barren plume
I....do not like the three round shot.
stark condor
I get the feeling I wouldn’t like it either
wispy notch
Demeter's cast works really well in conjunction with a bunch of other stuff, actually.
Charm, for example.
keen shard
What is her cast
solid cairn
I never used inf ammo anyway
severe sandal
explodinig shot for the rail was so good
barren plume
She makes a brimstone essentially.
scarlet mango
Brimstone's attack basically is Demeter's cast
barren plume
Exploding shot was too good. Made the rail ultra safe.
crimson mango
Hey, I just completed one of the infernal troves for gold in Tartarus, and I was given a nectar in addition to that gold when I was done. Is this intentional? I have no boons relevant to gold or nectar, I'm not sure why that happened
wild fiber
besides Blade Rifts ofc what do you guys think the strongest casts are?
barren plume
Aphro
scarlet mango
Both of the above
keen shard
Dio only if using hera else its yrash
wild fiber
Aphro cast is good? I haven't really messed around with it
keen shard
Trash*
barren plume
Ares is good too if you get art duo boon.
dense star
Artemis cast can just delete things I guess
barren plume
I don't do cast builds at all but when I do -> Aphro
stark condor
Apparently art ares duo was nerfed too
keen shard
Lol
wild fiber
yeah with my limited experience I've found Poseidon and Artemis' casts to be strong
barren plume
You ever just have an unclothed goddess hand you what is essentially a slug shotgun?
wild fiber
But I got my first win with Festive Fog last night 😩
autumn bough
We need an augmented Zag cast, where he just throws bigger bloodstones
keen shard
Black out?
normal sleet
Is Spearpoint's cooldown being triggered by damage that would hit you but gets dodged or deflected? It seems to be working even less than I expected it to after the change
scarlet mango
We need a Zag cast where you can throw whatever Fish you got on hand
wild fiber
I actually didn't get Black Out
autumn bough
I feel like festive fog doesn’t last nearly long enough for its buffs/ de buffs to feel good. Not to mention half of the enemies just walking out anyway.
north kernel
has anyone gotten serrated edge + flurry jab combo yet?
wild fiber
I had lightning on my special, weak on my attack, and got both the Dionysus x Zeus and x Aphro duo boons
thorny edge
wow they made broken spear point useless
autumn bough
They broke it
north kernel
how come
abstract pilot
changed from broken to actually broken 😢
it has a 10 sec cooldown between activations now
unkempt ridge
why would those boons from charon in styx cost 650 gold, thats insane
north kernel
is the demeter keepsake icon ||supposed to be the same as zeus'? A placeholder?||
onyx flint
this isnt very cash money https://i.gyazo.com/f5f77cb6bd42f8714985140a78af6e97.jpg
barren plume
Had the same thing happen.
onyx flint
ignore how poorly my run is going
burnt rune
Demeter/Dio duo o:
o:
Gonna need to my cast bow for this
barren plume
I had to position myself just right with the spear and use my special to kill it
onyx flint
im using the rail and my special can sort of kinda hit it sometimes if it lands just right
barren plume
Yeah
onyx flint
which is difficult when the screen is covered in butterflies
barren plume
OH LAWD the scaling for support fire is a single +1
dense star
Rip support fire
autumn bough
1 flat damage? What was Artemis smoking this month?
autumn bough
What percentage of an attack’s damage would it have to be for you to play it?
unkempt ridge
I do like the new victory screen, very nice
barren plume
They nerfed chariots and shields tho
unkempt ridge
I think it would have to be a mix. 10 damage + 10% of the attack that procced it
abstract pilot
i think it's fine that it's at an urge to kill power level
unkempt ridge
that way it's useful for the railgun, and other higher damage weapons
sturdy raft
Anyone else tried Lambent Plume? Killing things as fast as they spawn and not even close to making the time,
abstract pilot
free damage that you can stack on top of your actual boon
barren plume
🦀 MULTI HITS ON LARGE CHARIOT ARE GONE 🦀
onyx flint
🦀
errant veldt
How do you unlock the rod of fishing?
solid cairn
Controversial update time bois
unkempt ridge
just buy it from the shop
I dunno, I'd rather they make the weak boons stronger rather than make the strong boons complete trash
burnt rune
wait, demeter/dio duo just makes the cast "teleport" on the area instead of lobbing it? that RULES
kindred matrix
Im at work can someone link me all of demeters new boons ;3
onyx flint
What if you wanted the Guan Yu spear
kindred matrix
Including duos
glossy lantern
@north kernel No It´s just a bug for some people.
north kernel
referring to my question about the icon?
dense star
Oh, I'm getting the feeling the 3 round burst mod's gonna be awkward
barren plume
It is for me.
autumn bough
Probably. I’m just wondering if the downtime is going to be any less than just reloading.
dense star
The burst doesn't cycle like I expected ot to
burnt rune
just got Burst Shot after Ice Wine
autumn bough
What do you mean?
onyx flint
with the new contractor list how does getting sisyphus's contract work?
solid cairn
You won’t have to wait for it to cycle
onyx flint
I feel like i should have it by now but its not there
ornate remnant
is there a way to compare % damage when replacing your special or normal attack with another boon? I feel like it doesn't tell you if it does more or less like anything with numbers
solid cairn
@onyx flint did meg ||negotiate a deal about freeing him|| yet
onyx flint
no i guess im missing that, I talked to hades and he told me if i found the contract i could free him tho
gray oxide
is the new spear aspect meant as a challenge mode?
solid cairn
No it’s just bad
gray oxide
seems like taking it just means your run is harder, unless you spin in which case its also harder
solid cairn
It’s gonna get buffed in the future probably
autumn bough
Except that people are saying it’s busted, because freee healing
Just for killing dudes
solid cairn
Speaking of patches in the future I feel like one’s coming soon after this
Because this update is controversial as hell so far
barren plume
^^^
gray oxide
I mean the spin attack is cool
unkempt ridge
it's not busted, the lowered max hp puts you well within oneshot range of a lot of enemies on high heat
barren plume
^
north kernel
^^
onyx flint
i think the nerfs were a bit heavy handed though they did make elysium less terrible with the enemy nerfs
zinc oasis
Anyone as find the new duo boons?
barren plume
There's art and dio one.
solid cairn
Tbh this update just needs a smaller patch after to be great
barren plume
I s2g if she has one related to her cast I'm throwing hands with the whole dorm
unkempt ridge
one's with artemis and it affects her cast (and it's not that great, especially for a duo boon)
cold nacelle
i have the art+dio one
barren plume
IM THROWING HANDS WITH TEH DORM
zinc oasis
And am I the only one who feel the game is "Slow" rn?
cold nacelle
makes cast stronger and tracks more effectively
solid cairn
Because you slowed them with Demeter
north kernel
casts are really strong though?
unkempt ridge
demeter overall seems really strong, but her cast is craaaaaap
zinc oasis
Not sure increasing difficulty in low heat is a good idea, it only make things harder to get all lvl.5 aspects and really enjoy all parts of the game
solid cairn
Shop thing is not a good way to increase difficulty
Make the game harder don’t make the player worse
unkempt ridge
yeah highly disagree with shop cost increases. you already only get 100 gold from a gold room, why would you make it worth even less
solid cairn
This is why no choice and budget cuts are dumb pact conditions
And the sacrifice one
zinc oasis
Budget cuts worst things. It disgust me of hell mode
Maybe with a cut at 5000 it will be better
solid cairn
This update is a few changes from being great
unkempt ridge
I like a lot about it, but some of the hammer upgrades are terrible, and some of the nerfs were waaaaay too overboard
solid cairn
I’m a big fan of some of the ideas
barren plume
^
zinc oasis
Funny I'm at 21/20 life point
solid cairn
Chaos shield nerf was good tho
solid cairn
Zag spear is useless now
novel python
I havent checked yet but what did they nerf about chaos shield?
unkempt ridge
made it fire around zag instead of all to front
unkempt ridge
it loses a lot of single target in large rooms, but it's fine otherwise
solid cairn
Bull rush does less damage and takes longer to charge I think across the board with shields @novel python
finite thunder
Yeah
azure swan
holy mother of no chill the Demeter+Arte combo
unkempt ridge
anyone with maxed out zeus shield tried the buff out?
humble warren
What’s it do @azure swan
zinc oasis
Do you know if the Punishment who reduce heal impact the spear?
humble warren
The maxed Zeus shield still says 30 damage for me (which is what it was before)
azure swan
demeter cast seeks enemies faster @humble warren
barren plume
............Chaos shield fired all to the front before??????
finite thunder
More like a cone
azure swan
combined with arte legendary and arte double-cast it's 12+ beams
barren plume
.....What kind of chaos shield id I have wtf.
zinc oasis
Ugh the new spears attack is so slow
finite thunder
It is slow
pallid sky
re. shop prices i could like buy everything before
barren plume
It's strong.
humble warren
It is but it’s kinda the point
barren plume
You have to pair it with dashes.
humble warren
I hope all the final ones are different items basically
barren plume
Like auto resets.
humble warren
The shop change is boring. Makes coins even worse, even more so on heat
azure swan
Chaos Shield went from S+ tier to Meme tier
unkempt ridge
the aphrodite cast doesn't seem that different... less wide, maybe a tiny bit more range, but meh
azure swan
like no joke Zeus shield is better now
hollow sorrel
What is the point of the nemesis sword now? The high damage was supposed to be the tradeoff for having zero meaningful ranged attacks. I didn't get an attack buff before the first boss, and the fight was soooo long
humble warren
It still shows the same damage for the Zeus shield on my end? Did they just not change the numbers or does it scale to 30 quicker?
finite thunder
Maybe it scales differently now?
hollow sorrel
it was doing 30 against the skeleton
finite thunder
I dunno
barren plume
Athena dash got nerfed. Which is understandable.
lament coral
it's still the best dash
humble warren
^
thorny edge
guan yu + quick spin + massive spin + aphro attack hoo boy
dense star
I guess that's where Athena boons are for me, the dash is great, but what else really is there?
novel python
Exposed
finite thunder
Her call is good too
solid cairn
I knew I should wait until the patch to see if I should level chaos shield
novel python
For priv stat
radiant basin
anyone know which gods demeter has duos with? so far i know of arte and poseidon
dense star
Yeah, and exposed
thorny edge
clear rooms of exalted with a few max spins
zinc oasis
Breaking the decorative items (jar?) with the new spear heals you
random yew
ok so I've got a Killing Freeze concern. I'm on the hydra and aside from it being hard to hit all the heads and the skeletons that spawn so you can inflict killing freeze (which is good) but uh, do you also have to get it on the main head of the Hydra which is invulnerable for the killing freeze to take effect?
twilit venture
how many runs does it normally take for Meg to accept ambrosia?
i got a 20 winstreak and she still ain't doing anything
wooden panther
Having just had two runs with the Guan Yu Spear.... I can't say I like it. I feel WAY more punished for taking it than rewarded for using it. I feel punished for not using the Spin, and I feel punished for using the spin because it's clunky and shut down by the slightest hit. I only notice the regen in romos with lots of tiny enemies otherwise it hardly seems that rewarding. Even having ranked it up to level 5 I look at it and go "I can't afford to take anything other than Centaur Hearts at literally every opportunity" and even then things feel like they're only just holding together.
burnt rune
@twilit venture it took me several runs with Extreme Measures on
onyx flint
demeter's aid seems to be the only call that is worse with max gauge, the expanded range doesnt really make up for it as opposed to just using regular call 4 times
lament coral
her call is stupendously bad
burnt rune
is Zag supposed to ask Dusa about the figure she gave to him before she gives me anything?
wooden panther
Also Demeter's Aid times out before the Audio Cue of the time out
lament coral
starts from you, slow as hell
twilit stag
I must commend the devs for this new hammer upgrade that actively makes the rail eris aspect unusuable if you pick it up
heady zephyr
What's the new rail hammer
twilit venture
@burnt rune do you know how many? all 20 of the streak was with extreme measures, as it was the first heat i put on
twilit stag
Hurts you if you stand in your special
onyx flint
hammer upgrades need a major rework imo, theyre extremely hit or miss
thorny edge
Guan Yu is goddly with the spin hammers
onyx flint
half of them seem like complete downgrades
barren plume
For what weapon are you talking about.
twilit venture
but if you don't get the spin hammers, the guan yu is pretty meh
barren plume
"Complete downgrades"
thorny edge
theseus gets shredded
burnt rune
@twilit venture nope, sorry, but it really took me a LOT, I asked here a couple times; I do remember it taking over fifteen at the very least
wooden panther
Guan Yu is a liability without the spin upgrades, it's too slow to charge otherwsie