h1-builds-and-combat

[frozen panther]

https://gyazo.com/090c6130a921340e75534a835088c263 @steady horizon well i guess i found my sword playstyle... which is none xD

just cast it up, baby

[steady horizon]

ayyy you did it!

[frozen panther]

Artemis cast

[steady horizon]

tbh, that's prolly the biggest downside of the sword: mostly close range

[frozen panther]

i mean the spear is pretty close range too

but for some reason, i can use melee spear well

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steady horizon]

the spear is different cuz its melee, but has longer range than the sword

and you can throw the spear too for even MORE range

[unborn sparrow]

way longer range and a ranged option for when enemies get stuck out in the void.

[steady horizon]

(upgrades spear's zag aspect with titan blood)

here, let me just get that last straggler off screen

[frozen panther]

YEET

[steady horizon]

a yute a yaaaw a YEET

[unborn sparrow]

Honestly zags aspect has 1 massive drawback and that is in case you find the explosive upgrade to the throw

[frozen panther]

how's that a drawback? that's how you make an awesome explosive special run lol

[steady horizon]

what do you mean tho...

[unborn sparrow]

Without zags aspect you can aim to hit between two enemies without requiring a wall.

If you have zags aspect you'll just zoom right past both of them

Otherwise it is a great aspect

[frozen panther]

Zags aspect makes you able to hit enemies way farther AND its faster so you'll miss less

i dont see how its a drawback tbh xd

[steady horizon]

Then just...aim for individual enemies if you have zag aspect

you seem to be wanting to take advantage of the splash damage

[unborn sparrow]

The drawback is when you get the explosive upgrade. Otherwise it is always good.

and yes capn.

[frozen panther]

how's the explosive upgrade a drawback tho xD

Zag's aspect is BEST with the explosive upgrade lol

[granite vine]

depends how far the enemies are I guess
mostly I can still just hit them both when it explodes

[frozen panther]

That's like the only good use of zag's aspect

[unborn sparrow]

The explosive upgrade makes Zags a drawback as you can't splash as well.

[frozen panther]

You can fire faster tho?

[unborn sparrow]

The spear moves faster, not throws faster.

[frozen panther]

i know but it feels like im throwing the spear faster when using zag's aspect cuz the spear reaches the enemy faster and explodes so i dont need to return the spear to me

maybe its just me but i feel a slight difference

I mean if the animation time is the same for both of them, zag's aspect should be able to make you first faster

[unborn sparrow]

The explosive upgrade makes it so you can throw more no matter what aspect thanks to no recall animation.

[frozen panther]

faster hit, faster reload

yeah but still, im talking mainly about the aspect not the recall.

[granite vine]

simple fix: make it say "Reloading!" for all weapon specials instead of just the Rail!

[frozen panther]

simpler fix: just dont play with the spear 4head

an even simpler fix: don't play hades

[unborn sparrow]

I know you are Nova, I'm just explaining that it doesn't help with the speed all that much as even if you miss with another aspect you'll still get the spear back at about the same rate.

[granite vine]

you might as well ask me to stop producing lymph

[frosty pier]

Not playing was never an option.

[unborn sparrow]

Nah, start with stopping the production of CSF

[kindred needle]

Got my favorite ever combo of boons on a throwaway run I set the heat on super high just for giggles RIP

Basically just a full Zeus/Poseidon shenanigans with double waves + double zaps, with Artemis arrows and crit on top for extra shenanigans

[turbid needle]

I killed one of the furies again. Died in a later chamber. Thought, "no worries, the thing i love about rogue* games is progression after death". Then noticed... The"Titan's Blood" I earned is missing in the Aspect screen. Is this normal during this alpha or new?

Gauging if a bug report is needed or not

[frosty pier]

A few questions.

You at this point did not finished the game? Did you use the same weapon you previously beat furies with?

[turbid needle]

Used the same weapon. Did not finish the game yet (reached Hades, lost)

20th run

[frosty pier]

Thing is the rare resourses are tied to difficulty beaten and weapon. You get them once per difficulty level and weapon.

[turbid needle]

Oh?

But by right, doesn't beating a fury result in a Titan Blood earned?

[unborn sparrow]

Not if you've beaten them on the same difficulty before

[frosty pier]

You get a chunk of darkness instead.

[turbid needle]

O see. I noticed I received 4 Titan Blood by the time I reached Hades. Do I need to beat him to receive more?

[frosty pier]

Yes.

[turbid needle]

Thank you

[teal laurel]

i realize why i keep dying to mobs

i have max jury summons and mob buffs

[unborn trellis]

that would explain it, yes

[teal laurel]

having buffed mob health plus jury summons is kinda

yabai

[turbid needle]

Yabai damn had to ask my colleague... Same like ,"Kiasu"

I think grasping/pushing (dangerously) in english

[unborn sparrow]

pushing it would be the term

[frosty pier]

I know that is japanese, but good god it sounds like some one misheard some paticular russian swearing and started saying that distorted version.

[turbid needle]

Haha

We live close so have similar words but thats unique

[lament coral]

so which god is considered optimal for Hestia rail?

[faint lance]

Did the update come yet??

[frosty pier]

No

[faint lance]

Okay thank you!! 👌🏻

[frosty pier]

It's like 10-12 hours till it can drop.

[twilit venture]

so, i just lost all my death defiances in a single second somehow

[frosty pier]

Do you have Aphrodite's charm-thing?

Cuz I remember people telling about a bug that makes charmed enemies "friendly fire" you into the next dimension.

[teal laurel]

any advice for 15 heating

the farthest i got is elysium chaos shield

[dense locust]

I'd love to hear people's starting keepsakes and if they are weapon and/or heat dependent

[viscid sluice]

I know a lot of people take coin purse first and then god trinkets on later floors depending on how the build is shaping up

I like Artemis though. She's best girl

And support fire is nice

[teal laurel]

boon i want

is how i start

[dense locust]

I don't quite understand optimal god boon build up yet to do that. I've been flirting with Herme's permanent dodge and move speed up, or the perm damage up for the first biome because I can reliably get it up pretty significantly

then its usually the gold for the second, and then the 1.5 seconds of invul for the 3rd and Hades

But artemis makes a ton of sense because those boons are game changing

Well maybe not game changing, but strong

I find a lot of my build ends up completely hinging on synergistic chaos boons and daedalus hammers

[carmine raven]

@dense locust I prefer starting with Hourglass until styx (change to Broken Spearpoint), simple and effective

I don't bring god's boon, because I think it's more important to get Privileged Status than specific god

[dense locust]

Yeah I definitely pretty much did the exact same thing until i unlocked and leveled up more keepstack statuses

[carmine raven]

if you really want to bring god's keepsake, I would choose Aphro and Zeus, becuase they have more duo boons than other god

[dense locust]

I actually don't know what you mean by privileged status

[carmine raven]

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Mirror_of_Night

[dense locust]

Oh okay

So you must be at higher heats than me

[carmine raven]

50% damage boost for every damage source

[dense locust]

because I'm avoiding giving in to the limit with the mirror

[wide lake]

is there any patch notes or discription of whats included in the update later today, other than the new god

[carmine raven]

@wide lake I don't think so

[wide lake]

is it likely that some of the hammer upgrades from suggestions will make it in?

[dense locust]

But keepsakes and mirror effects are two different things

I definitely agree that broken spearpoint is by far the best boon for Hades

sorry, keepsake

[wide lake]

is that the immunity?

if so then yeah i think its well OP, needs nerfing to 0.25, 0.5, 0.75 in my opinion

[dense locust]

I agree

It's way too strong to not take in the later parts of the game

[wide lake]

like i did a few runs with it and after taking it off i didnt even get to floor three becuase i was too used to it

[dense locust]

I felt like spiked collar (hp up) was permanent for me at first but then stopped being permanent after a certain heat

[wide lake]

ive never used it

[dense locust]

I like the aspect of keepsakes giving a permanent effect but I swear, it gave me a permanent hp boost at first, and then stopped all of a sudden

[wide lake]

i either go with starting money, immunity after damage, artimis or the speed + dodge chance on a fast room clear

even if you get 10% dodge its always worth it for me

[dense locust]

Okay so does anyone know what the difference between dodge chance and the other damage mitigation is? (i dont remember what they call it)

[wide lake]

normally i get around 15% in floor 1-2 then any extra is a bonus

[dense locust]

Building up 10% dodge chance is huge

[wide lake]

well dodge means you take no damage at all, mitigation like weak just reduces the damage taken

[dense locust]

I like the permanent damage one but I get so raged when I nearly clear a room perfectly and then get randomly hit by something

Oh duh

I guess they are effectively the same but work differently

Might get lucky and dodge a huge damaging attack, vs the reliable damage mitigation

I feel dumb for even asking lol

[wide lake]

yeah mitiagiton is always better but with it being a keepsake you can get dodge and apply weak

[dense locust]

Yeah weak is so strong

Throw it on your off attack or dash and you get twice the hp

[wide lake]

also the damage increase one is kinda balls, even if you manage to get 20%, one chaos gate on common boon will give you far more

[dense locust]

Yeah I came to realize that and stopped picking it up

Needs to be like 5%

The amount you can build up with the dodge is reliable epic boon status

and then getting more dodge and damage mitigation on top of that makes the run too easy

Combine with invincibility for 1.5 seconds...

[wide lake]

naa it just needs to be multiplicative not additive, meaning if you already have +70% damage it will give you 1% extra of that 170% total rather than just making it 171%

[lament coral]

aight, don't think I'll be doing another Hestia run ever again

52 bloody minutes!

[dense locust]

I'd like the change to a multiplicative change only for that keepsake, with proper balancing

[lament coral]

I hardly even used the charged shot after I picked up triple special

[dense locust]

I ran a triple shot with the explosive shot on the bow the other day

[wide lake]

yeah exactly, it would change how you play because it would means that damage increases would be a much higher priority than normal

[dense locust]

With plenty of other damage increase, and it's like a melee rocket launcher

Yeah, it would encourage a bit of a glass cannon build, if balanced right, which is great

[wide lake]

thats what more keepsakes should do in my opinion, make you change how you play and what you pick

[dense locust]

Yeah the keepsakes definitely need some balances

also the companions

[wide lake]

its not a bad thing but a lot of them atm are bland

[dense locust]

I can't see any reason to not use sisyphus's

the healing, gold, resource package with damage

A little extra damage, which isn't always reliable, pales in comparison to basically half of my life restored, along with goodies

[wide lake]

yeah, i think the companions are just in a weird state right now anyways, there needs to be more before they can be judged properly

[dense locust]

I just think they should all be a little more unique

A distraction is cool, but then it's some damage with a ton of health and a 100 gold, some more damage, and then some more more damage

[wide lake]

yeah like why does skelly give you a keepsake that adds a DD but his companion ability has nothing to do with that, also there should be a bouns for using both the keepsake and the compainion

[dense locust]

Oooo I'd like the synnergy between different types of items

synergy

The game is already amazing, and yet there is so much room to grow

[wide lake]

i know, im really excited to see how much more we get with this update, what do you reckon the new gods main power will be, based on the obvious wheat and cornucopia i was thinking making a chance to drop food on hit or kill? or some sort of life steal

[carmine raven]

Skelly's companion is also good on high heat, I have a friend using it to beat 32heat

[dense locust]

I think skelly and sisyphus are eons better than the other 2

the amount of damage the others do is not that good, and isn't even reliable

I didn't even know the heat went to 32

It's like, would like half of your health back and some gold, a dummy to completely distract your enemies for a pretty long time, or like 5 hits of damage

[wide lake]

true

[dense locust]

I'm sure they'll change them because the first 2 are nearly identical

Excited for that new weapon though

It's not this update, right?

[wide lake]

i doubt it, its not been mentions and a new weapon is probably the biggest work load out of anything for them

[frosty pier]

We are getting a god, so definetly no weapon this time

[dense locust]

I think it was explicitly mentioned it wont be

[wide lake]

im just looking forward to finding out the new god's main boon power and hoping for a good few new hammer upgrades for each weapon

[dense locust]

But regardless

Even adding one god's boons will change everything

[wide lake]

yeah i will, like i said i think it will be some sort of life steal or healing boon power

[dense locust]

Ooo are they adding more hammer upgrades?

I could see a necromancy power somewhere, though I don't know how it would fit in to greek myth

[wide lake]

well im not sure but in suggestions they had ALOT so i would think so, and tbf there arnt that many right now

btw seems likely the this is the new god https://greekgodsandgoddesses.net/goddesses/hestia/

[frosty pier]

I'm still standing by Demeter.

[woeful stirrup]

98% sure it's Demeter.

[wide lake]

ah yeah probably actually

i read architecture as agriculture haha

[frosty pier]

besides the fact that we have some sort of main story raleted to her

[wide lake]

yeah seems like she is gonna be hell bent of helping zagrious

[dense locust]

Hestia would be like, fire status effects, and sacrifice for other bonuses?

Im really excited for the duo boons, I love that aspect

[wide lake]

also https://www.greekmythology.com/Other_Gods/Minor_Gods/Zagreus/zagreus.html didnt release that zagreus lore in the game is completely made up

[dense locust]

I'm also stoked for the addition of more story elements

WHen they come

[frosty pier]

Zagreus is so obscure of a character that any lore of him looks like it's made up.

[wide lake]

but son of hades vs soon of dionysus is quite a difference

[lament coral]

no

because Hades and Dio were often confused, too

[frosty pier]

I like how they do interpretations of those other myths in game.

[odd seal]

Zag mythos are so vague that its actually just the right character for SuperGaint to play around with

[deft lance]

Hades and Who

Oh

[odd seal]

Dionysius

[deft lance]

I love this mf

Pretty hot

[odd seal]

indeed

Its funny how he's hotter than Aphrodite

[deft lance]

Ikrrr

I give all my bottles of nectar to him, Ares, Achilles, Patroclus and Than

I love my boys

[odd seal]

@wide lake Conflated means that Zag was confused to be the same god as Dionysius but under a different name, not his son

[wide lake]

ah ok so thats why they use him

[odd seal]

He's pretty much a blank slate in mythology

perfect to be a flexible character

[untold widget]

i did a spear run last night, aiming for hunting blades

i got the ares/athena duo, the artemis legendary boon, and the artemis/athena duo twice (i sold it once) and still didnt get hunting blades

[odd seal]

F

[deft lance]

F

[odd seal]

Gotta adapt improvise overcome

[untold widget]

yeah luckily 6 suped up beyblades still put in work

but i had to like

aim them

and thats lame

[odd seal]

ewww, aiimmm

[untold widget]

right?

[dense locust]

I just finished a run with 8 chain lightning cast and the boon that returns them automatically, one that makes them drop after 5 seconds, on top of the starting shield damage reduction along with numerous other forms of damage reduction. God I love this game

[umbral halo]

Cast runs are so awesome

[finite thunder]

I actually got a cast upgrade the other day that did so much damage and, yeah, I think you’re right

[minor mauve]

Got a cast run with the Poseidon aspect recently that was basically perfect. Artemis cast, artemis legendary, Chaos boon that increased casts, Hermes rapid cast, exit wounds, all the artemis burst abilities (support fire and burst shot)

it was disgusting

[lament coral]

as mush as I love cast runs, I hate having to run after my casts all the time

and Hermes' recall is not reliable

[finite thunder]

Yeah that can be frustrating...

[fierce iron]

Yeah it's really hard to get Greater Recall I feel

[umbral halo]

For me, Dionysus runs are the least interesting so far (40 runs completed). Maybe I still haven't found what he's great at

[finite thunder]

(Also speaking of Hermes how many people opted to let him continue speaking?)

[lament coral]

I let him talk once, then shut him up in the next run

it bothered me that picking the silence option didn't shut up the other gods

I thought that was the idea behind it

[plain tiger]

@umbral halo try to have some DUO boon Dio + Zeus (thunder strike in poison aoe) - totally killer thing with passive boons on Zeus

[finite thunder]

My favorite Dionysus boon is the one where you get more health from nectar
Since I’m still working on getting nectars to everyone it lets me prioritize nectars and get health upgrades for it 👌

[lament coral]

and it's a free boon level up if you have the relevant contractor upgrade

[finite thunder]

Wait really?

[fierce iron]

Mhm

[lament coral]

ah, you're yet to get there

[fierce iron]

It's really nice

[plain tiger]

yes, free boon level too

[lament coral]

don't worry, you'll love it

[finite thunder]

Dang
I’ve been struggling to get enough gems

It’s difficult cause you just don’t get many of them from anywhere

[lament coral]

yeah

[rancid shore]

you get sizable amounts from the troves

[lament coral]

I got darkness outta my ass but next to no gems

[finite thunder]

Same here on that

[plain tiger]

But still, sometimes you can receive really solid count of boon upgrades )

[lament coral]

hopefully, today's patch addresses that

[fierce iron]

I kept spending a good chunk of gems on keys, but I finally unlocked the rest of the mirror so far

[plain tiger]

Do we have a time spot for update installation?

[finite thunder]

I’m guessing 8 am PST

[plain tiger]

sounds good

[finite thunder]

So for me, like 2 hours and 37 minutes cause I’m in the next time zone over

[rancid shore]

wouldn't the time remaining to that be the same in any timezone

[lament coral]

I'd say at least 5 hours from now

I would've loved if the timer turned into an hour countdown on the last day

[finite thunder]

I’m not sure on that honeslty sendpenguins

That would be awesome if it did

[rancid shore]

I mean the time in PST won't change depending on what time zone anyone is in

[finite thunder]

Oh yeah good point

[karmic coyote]

i thought so too but then i remember sekiro which was released in asia like half a day sooner

[finite thunder]

For Suprergiant then it’s currently 5:25 am

[plain tiger]

Expect really solid update. New god, new balance, mb new aspects, and maaaaaaaaaaaybe new biom

[finite thunder]

They’re most likely asleep

New biome?

I’d love that

Also does anyone have any issues with Elysium? I feel like it’s the place where my runs drastically slow down

It’s my least favorite place to be

[unborn trellis]

shieldboys and the reviving ghosts

[finite thunder]

It’s the worst
Oh and the flame wheels

[plain tiger]

Because Elysium has really tricky enemies

[rancid shore]

worse still, armored shields and then their ghosts are also armored??

like why

[finite thunder]

Ugh I hated that..

[hollow root]

Shields are

[finite thunder]

Flame wheels are also

[hollow root]

Sometimes screen gets so crowded i can't see when I'm being attacked and when i dodge

Cos I'm being swarmed

[lament coral]

chariots should only explode if they collide with you

if you kill em, they shouldn't explode

[plain tiger]

I prefer melee runs and for me unexpected parry from swordguys - really pain in the boons

[finite thunder]

Well yeah but also when doing melee

[hollow root]

Just use shield

[lament coral]

I feel that if I don't get Athena dash it takes longer to deal with boom chariots

[plain tiger]

Shield will be nerfed

[rancid shore]

Imagine only using one weapon

[lament coral]

it's the best weapon

[finite thunder]

It’s worse still if you’ve got a heat that boosts the number of enemies spawning

Shield is good but it doesn’t always block everything

[lament coral]

not our fault SG made other weapons worse

[finite thunder]

Especially if swarmed

[lament coral]

shield is god

[finite thunder]

Spear is actually a lot of fun, I enjoyed a run with that

[lament coral]

you just bull rush through

[finite thunder]

As is sword

[rancid shore]

I like all the weapons

[plain tiger]

Shield is op right now. It can do everything + block against most possible damage even boss abilities

[lament coral]

you bull rush, and immediately use special, so your shields keep flying as you're dashing

[unborn sparrow]

Other weapons do struggle a bit to try to measure up to shields multihitting since armor shuts down oneshot builds.

[finite thunder]

Oh don’t worry I love the shield
I love the concept of it cause I love the idea of using just a shield for combat
It was also the first weapon I beat the game with

[lament coral]

and when you stop, your primary shield has already returned and you can bull rush into special again

no other weapon feels as natural as bull rush into special, with the exception of Nemesis sword

with its special into attack

[finite thunder]

I think my least favorite weapons have to be the ranged weapons actually

[unborn sparrow]

Now that I have to dispute as hexagryph with the last aspect is shot into reload into special

[lament coral]

if you have mad APM, maybe it's good

me? I don't

[finite thunder]

Wait does the rail special count for that first boosted shot?

[lament coral]

I had a 52 minutes run with Hestia a few hours ago

52

[unborn sparrow]

rail special?

No

[rancid shore]

no but you get like 150 bonus damage if you upgrade it all the way

[finite thunder]

Wow that is a long time.. what took so long? Armored enemies?

[unborn sparrow]

You can use the special while you are reloading

[rancid shore]

which is worth anyway

[lament coral]

it is upgraded

[finite thunder]

Oh interesting

[unborn sparrow]

and then shoot and reload while you are reloading the special

Easy for kbm

dunno about controller

[lament coral]

it just takes forever, and I didn't get piercing hammer

so shields in Elysium took a crap load of time

[finite thunder]

Aah gotcha

[unborn sparrow]

special if aimed behind the shields still hits them

[lament coral]

hell, I was only able to pick up the pace thanks to triple special hammer with Artemis special

creamed Hades with it

2k damage off 3 shots

[unborn sparrow]

Oh yeah, speaking of which some way to upgrade hades would be nice as he's currently too predicatable.

[lament coral]

yeah, he needs his Extreme Measures level

[finite thunder]

Should maybe all shields (including ours) be reworked to reduce the damage a bit instead? Or maybe they have a damage threshold until they get knocked aside?

[unborn sparrow]

No hitting him shouldn't be something you do by run 46.

[lament coral]

@finite thunder I had the same idea, for all shields

[finite thunder]

Kinda like in monster hunter where your shield gets knocked aside if you run out of stamina

[unborn sparrow]

DT would make shield enemies not matter at all for beyond armor.

[lament coral]

that they would block X amount of damage and then break for a few seconds

[unborn sparrow]

I think it'd be better if it was block hits up to X and then if a hit is above X the shield gets knocked aside.

[lament coral]

so you could break Elysium shieldbearers and Theseus, and you could be broken, too

[finite thunder]

It would make using a ranged weapon like the tail difficult still though, since you might have to reload when that window is open

[lament coral]

and each shield aspect would have different shield HP

with Zagreus highest, Chaos lowest, and Zeus in the middle

and if your shield breaks, you won't be able to bull rush, either

[unborn trellis]

i dont think SGG want aspect differences to be complicated

[finite thunder]

Maybe damage reduction perks could also upgrade the damage threshold for shields

[unborn sparrow]

I doubt it'd matter all that much what the DT is when most runs hit for 400-1331 with the rail and reloading is damn near instant

[finite thunder]

I think with that it would make the default shield a favored choice for some because it could handle more before being knocked aside

[lament coral]

just replace the hammer upgrade that increases your special bounces to increase your shield HP

[finite thunder]

Ooh yeah!

[lament coral]

you don't ever want to take bounces anyway

[finite thunder]

Or maybe one that changes your bull rush into a shot

I didn’t like the ranged shield gameplay at all honestly..

[unborn sparrow]

Nah, that one actually changes gameplay. Better to get rid of the armor one.

[finite thunder]

Aside from special

Fair

[lament coral]

I like the shot, actually

it pierces enemies by default

[unborn trellis]

i dont

[unborn sparrow]

Don't really like the fullpassive hammers all that much as some make you change how you play so damn much while others change next to nothing.

[unborn trellis]

the shot makes the shield too much like the bow

[lament coral]

only because of infinite block

scroll up, we covered that

[full flame]

wait, what? the shield bounce upgrade is one of the best

y'all crazy

[frosty pier]

Maybe on a Chaos aspect.

[cosmic shadow]

Same, I love the bounce upgrade

[full flame]

it's actually even more valuable on zagreus aspect since chaos gives you extra shields

[turbid arch]

So I have learned something.

The Shield Upgrade "Charged Shot" that turns your Shield Charge attack into a projectile.

That projectile actually pierces shields.

[full flame]

being able to hit as many targets as possible for clearing rooms is extremely valuable

[muted basin]

Hades 32Heat with Hestia Aspect/version v0.23932/ReqNy阿賢

https://youtu.be/QfRkLp7ByoE

[lament coral]

finally, that's what I wanted to see!

what does ReqNy mean?

[granite vine]

I believe that's the name

was this on Bahamut?

[fallow niche]

Oh hey its this guy!

Great run!

32 heat on Rail is

[muted basin]

ReqNy has no other meaning.
Bcause just good looking.
And ReqNy didn't use it as a name.(Not repeat)

My native language is chinese.
So I'm not very good at naming myself in English.

[fallow niche]

No problem, I can understand you pretty well so far 🙂

[muted basin]

As for the detailed game guide, I have po Steam Community guides and Bahamut.
"Bahamut' is game raiders forum name in my Country.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1973841749

Because I am not good at English, I cannot translate the whole article quickly.

I added some English words to make it easier for you to use Google Translate.

Hope you will like it.

[fallow niche]

Cool, thanks!

[lament coral]

thank you

[zinc oasis]

Ur à monster god, win strike of 81

[muted basin]

Thanks.Just skilled.

[fallow niche]

My win streak is about as long atm

Though there is only one 32 heat attempt in that lot

[lament coral]

I have a four digit winstreak

000...4

[fallow niche]

... oh

:v

[lament coral]

[fallow niche]

[unborn sparrow]

[lament coral]

@muted basin did you intentionally not take any attack boons or were you not offered any?

oh, I see, you got one in Elysium

[muted basin]

I want to Aphrodite atk(weak)

But it appeared late

[fallow niche]

@lament coral He got shafted with RNG

I watched the whole video

He won 32 heat despite getting totally rolled lmao

[lament coral]

yeah, guess that Chaos attack carried early on

[fallow niche]

Def

Hestia rail is nuts with that scaling

[lament coral]

1k crits off attack

[muted basin]

"Aphrodite atk"Attack Damage Increase magnification is high.

Collocation crit.

[teal laurel]

hello i want to say that i now understand chaos shield

and yes it is broken

[raven sequoia]

i gave chaos shield a shot a couple nights ago but it felt underwhelming because most of the shields wouldn't hit anything

how do i deal with the shields just going wherever they want?

[fallow niche]

You use your special immediately following a charge into an enemy's chest and release your load like a shrapnel shot @raven sequoia

You are a rocket propelled frag grenade

Its mostly used for its burst and not AoE clear (though with enough practice its good for that too, though hard to utilize)

[raven sequoia]

sweet, thanks!

what hammer upgrades are good for it?

i imagine the shield bounce is good

[teal laurel]

nahh

bull rush ones

except the projectile one

since you bullrushing like a madman

[raven sequoia]

yeah i used the projectile one for a run and it felt the opposite of helpful to the build i had

[teal laurel]

the bouncy one is fun

[raven sequoia]

as for boons, probably aphrodite on attack, right? who should i get for special?

[teal laurel]

actually

go for anyone on chaos shield

it doesnt matter really

ive had a run where i just had poisoned special and poison dash

[fallow niche]

@raven sequoia @teal laurel The only hammer upgrade you care about for Chaos shield is Explosive return

Explosive return will delete most of the game

[teal laurel]

oh i actually dont use explosive return

[unborn sparrow]

Unless you a zeus user

[fallow niche]

Its busted

[teal laurel]

mostly because im unlucky

[raven sequoia]

I haven't even seen that one yet

[teal laurel]

had it everytime but on limited options pact and its always out

i hate it

[fallow niche]

All the sub-10 minute speedruns for the game start with chaos shield getting a hammer with explosive return

[raven sequoia]

damn

speedruns for this game are kind of nuts

[fallow niche]

Current record is sub-8

7 mins 48secs or something similar

Might be impossible post update today

Because it relies on skipping the hydra fight

[teal laurel]

how does one skip the hydra fight

[fallow niche]

Meg companion instantly deletes half its health past all its invuln periods

[muted basin]

Aphrodite atk(weak)+Dionysus Special(Poison)
Privileged Status： +50% Damage

[fallow niche]

So you just kill it on the spot @teal laurel

[teal laurel]

wait

What

[fallow niche]

Let me show you one sec

[unborn sparrow]

the 50% stacks additively though sadly.

[teal laurel]

so how do you do it just go it half then meme?

[fallow niche]

https://youtu.be/GSO1wQWDv5A?t=413

I posted the time

Just click the video and it should start at the right place

@teal laurel

[latent garnet]

What time will it be updated today?

[fallow niche]

In a few hours probably

[teal laurel]

also how do you get meg companion

[latent garnet]

Thank you~

[fallow niche]

You max her nectars then do her quest and then give her an ambrosia @teal laurel

[teal laurel]

what is her quest

[fallow niche]

Err she'll say it herself

[teal laurel]

also how does the skip work

[fallow niche]

Extreme Measures 1

basically

[teal laurel]

Oh i need to extreme measures 1

[fallow niche]

It may bug so just do a run with no EM and then talk to her then do another run with EM

and then it should work

that's after you give her all 5 nectars though

[teal laurel]

im already done with that

[fallow niche]

And hydra skip may go away in a few hours so we'll see if it matters any longer!!

[teal laurel]

._. im on the track of just giving out nectars to everyone

make hydra less painful

well its fine its just the heads spawn in too slow sometimes

[fallow niche]

just delete hydra from the game its a snoozetown fight

monotonous

the worst parts are when the heads go off into the lava for no reason

[teal laurel]

i just find the heads TOO tanky sometimes and head spawn timing and yeah lava

tbh Hydra fight for me is mostly a DPS check

[fallow niche]

I never have problems with their health, they just get out of reach unless I want to kebab myself

[teal laurel]

if i have enough DPS no problems

if not im struggling

also yeah I think why i feel they are too tanky is because i can't hit them in the lava or sometimes i miss for a reason

[fallow niche]

ALSO you may be missing because their hitbox is not on their head

I hate that so much

Its infuriating

Its their neck joint just under their head @teal laurel

Its so noticeable when I'm using bow

[teal laurel]

wait

what

[verbal fulcrum]

Well, TIL

makes sense considering everything

[fallow niche]

Yup

Its awful

[teal laurel]

yeah

they are relatively tanky

cause i miss them half of the time

[verbal fulcrum]

they are relatively janky

[teal laurel]

especially when i thought i have good clear

yeah

Hydra feels nice when jank works in your favour

like them not going to lava and just brain farting it feels bad

when they start throwing waves while being in the lava

[verbal fulcrum]

geh

[fallow niche]

replace the hydra heads with pufferfish

[teal laurel]

also extreme measures arena is a pain

give me more land

cause the purple ones turns floor into lava

[torn moss]

is no hit runs because of thanatos' keepsake still the standard or what i dont know how other poeple play

[fallow niche]

@verbal fulcrum 🥕 🐡 geh

^ new hydra fight

Nobody uses that keepsake atm lol @torn moss

Its good keepsakes then Spearpoint

That invuln period keeps ya alive

[verbal fulcrum]

it's also great in 4th stage

[teal laurel]

or be like me and just use spear point

[verbal fulcrum]

To block poison

anyway you will get hit by Satyrs so may as well negate that for a while while you're running to the pool

[fallow niche]

^^^^

[icy edge]

Uh... I can still stack up >30% on butterfly even on 7-8 heat.

I guess I'm a relic now.

[teal laurel]

yeah

satyrs are a pain

[verbal fulcrum]

Butterfly just never feels like it's really worth it

[teal laurel]

but satyrs are a DPS check

i just bop them within the spawning time if i cant i just give up

[verbal fulcrum]

because like, 30% additive damage is kinda eh when you've already got all the stuff

lmao

[icy edge]

Disagree on artemis or zeus/poseidon runs

It adds up then

[verbal fulcrum]

[unborn sparrow]

30% additive is really eh when there's chaos boons.

[teal laurel]

plume makes sense

that dodge kinda bonk

[verbal fulcrum]

Yeh, dodge is pretty nice to build up

[icy edge]

Butterfly helps those of us who have some philosophical disagreements with the RNGods

[rancid shore]

I never understood the plume. How quick is quickly?

[verbal fulcrum]

quickly enough

you have a timer btw

[icy edge]

Until the little circle goes bye bye

[verbal fulcrum]

under the keepsake icon

[rancid shore]

Oh. I never look at that

[verbal fulcrum]

but rule of thumb is just "quick enough"

[teal laurel]

oh

I'm the RNGods personal doll boy

you just learn to accept the RNGods

[verbal fulcrum]

Proccing it in Elysium is nigh impossible though because that places sometimes just loves to waste your time

[icy edge]

Unless you have a very good ares build, that helps

[verbal fulcrum]

"hey mate nice sword run you got here, would be a shame if I spawned like 5 elite shielders on you with a swarm of firewheels to aid them"

[icy edge]

Oof, elite shieldbois are big trouble with butterfly too

[teal laurel]

I just bait the firewheels first

[icy edge]

especially when you have to watch for elysiums's bajillions of traps

[verbal fulcrum]

Elite shieldbois are just pee pee poo poo heads

[teal laurel]

but then its a TIMESINK

elite shieldy bois are a holes

[verbal fulcrum]

especially because somehow someone decided that giving them a ranged attack that pierces obstacles would be a good idea

[icy edge]

Ranged attack makes sense.

Piercing obstacles is the painful part

[teal laurel]

^^^^

[wind vale]

i hate that aoe thing that hits you like a hundred times way more

[verbal fulcrum]

These bastards also have the spin attack which Hurts

I want that attack too

[teal laurel]

give that for spear

also i can deal with shieldy bois at least

charuit bois just say yeah i want to deal damage now

then they just go

unless you accept life and run

[wind vale]

flamewheels are just supposed to force your attention on them first

but they are really no problem

[granite vine]

or just keep dashing through walls

[wind vale]

exactly - thats also how you kill them

[teal laurel]

yeah

but its a time siink

you need to agree on that at least

they are not THAT dummy painful if you turn off murder switch

[granite vine]

most of the time it's attack-dash-attack anyway
you just have to position yourself by a wall before you start

[wind vale]

swarms of them are not that much of a timesink

they replace other enemies

[verbal fulcrum]

they're a pain in the butt if you use sword

other weapons, not so much

[wind vale]

and if lets say you got double shield max hp - it actually saves time

[teal laurel]

i use sword most of the time

:^3

[wind vale]

i mean you can make them suicide faster than you could kill equivalent enemies

[teal laurel]

its suffering

god help me

[verbal fulcrum]

Figured as much

lol

I like to use sword because of Poseidon aspect

and Nemesis is neat as well

[teal laurel]

i just treat flame wheels like normal enemies with chaos shield

[verbal fulcrum]

you can treat bosses like normal enemies with chaos shield

[wind vale]

you can treat everything as non-existent with hunting blades 😄

just experiencing that again

[verbal fulcrum]

Hunting blades is great but my dumbest run involving blades was based on dash-created rifts

I just got hermes boon for +2 dashes and then everything from Ares including +1 damage per hit legendary boon

just pooped on everything by dashing around it

also like 8% crit helped as well because they hit fast

and a lot of times

[teal laurel]

i want to make rift build

with achi spear

but ares hates me

[verbal fulcrum]

I don't understand achi spear

[teal laurel]

same

i jsut know it deals DAMAGE

[verbal fulcrum]

does it huh

[wind vale]

makes your casts deal 2.5 times damage(at max level) - yea if you get hunting blades especially

[verbal fulcrum]

makes your casts deal 2.5 times damage(at max level)

it boosts all of your damage sources for next two hits?

[wind vale]

+150% for the next 2 casts

[verbal fulcrum]

aha

well

[wind vale]

i think its attacks(including spin) special(?) and casts

nah cant be special

[verbal fulcrum]

gotta try it sometime

[wind vale]

since you only got 3 casts early its no problem to effectively use the buff

[granite vine]

it works well if your cast is bursty

[wind vale]

but if you get artemis legendary its annoying to handle

but then you have a huge cast and 6 of them(and often other buffs) so doesnt matter

[icy edge]

You don't need to take a legendary when its offered if it doesn't help your build

[wind vale]

its better than the aspect

but handling gets harder

[teal laurel]

unless your using space stuff

like rift or dio

especiially rift

cause you just suprised the stone is suddenly in new zealand after you throw it

[inland echo]

If you’re using Hera aspect on the bow, do boons that apply to your cast do anything

[patent willow]

Is crit aspect on the bow considered the best?

[lament coral]

Chiron bow, yes

[raven sequoia]

all the bow aspects seem pretty good

[unborn sparrow]

Chiron isn't the crit.

[rain summit]

Yes I had a really fun Atremis double cast run with the Hera Aspect last night

[unborn sparrow]

bow is fairly balanced tbh

[raven sequoia]

early on i thought it was the worst weapon

[deep vault]

When I first started on launch, me as well

[teal laurel]

what's a good aspect to max out first

[deep vault]

but they made it pretty cool with the aspects

[teal laurel]

achi

chaos

pos

[deep vault]

Chaos if you want those smooth ares runs lmao

[inland echo]

Ok but what about the boons

[deep vault]

eh?

[teal laurel]

ares runs?

[deep vault]

Ares and Chaos shield feels great

because you can pop like 30 Dooms at once lmao

[teal laurel]

oh i like pos rupture or zeus more

actuually i like zeus chaos shield

[deep vault]

i can't really get to terms with what I want from zeus

other than the double boon with dio

[rain summit]

@inland echo The boons work as normal just instead of throwing it separately it is fired by your bow

[teal laurel]

i just want the complete blade rift set with ares

[deep vault]

so, dash, cast, call?

[teal laurel]

nah

[unborn sparrow]

cast and the buffs

[teal laurel]

dash call hunting blades

and the buffs

[deep vault]

oh yeah

[teal laurel]

vortex black metal

[deep vault]

also don't forget burst shot

[teal laurel]

vicious cycle

its like 4

cause blade rift is kinda bad without hunting blade

it makes it decent

vortex makes it hella stay more metal is actually not needed needed

but legendary deals hella damage

[versed flame]

Aye, 5 heat shield run 20:08:39! First time doing it that fast :D

[teal laurel]

do we have japanese VA'd Zagreus

[deep vault]

I don't think the game is voiced in any other language

[verbal fulcrum]

https://i.imgur.com/Pw9xKn7.jpg 4 chaos boons for cast damage

[deep vault]

dang

[teal laurel]

jesus how much is that in all

[deep vault]

I wish Chaos showed up for me that often

[verbal fulcrum]

+200% in total

I bought chaos incense or w/e that is

[deep vault]

I think Gates showed up for me as a record

[verbal fulcrum]

that forces rooms

[deep vault]

ooh

[teal laurel]

chaos can't be forced

oh wait

[verbal fulcrum]

it can be, sort of

[teal laurel]

the money one

[verbal fulcrum]

yeah

[teal laurel]

the egg doesnt force sadly

[verbal fulcrum]

anyway, hitting for 760 with Dio's blob is nice

[acoustic sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/530805620060717056/669224067311599636/unknown.png decisions,,,,,,,,

[verbal fulcrum]

the latter

charm can heck you up

[teal laurel]

the prophecy ones

[verbal fulcrum]

it's just

Not A Good Boon currently

[acoustic sapphire]

i already picked that anyway

[teal laurel]

also yeah charm is kinda useless or murderous

[unborn sparrow]

prophecy for moar gems

[acoustic sapphire]

as in the prophecy one

[unborn sparrow]

god damn 2k+ gems decorations

[teal laurel]

good

[verbal fulcrum]

I just cheated for that one that costs 5k gem

[teal laurel]

i hate charm

actually

[verbal fulcrum]

ain't farming for that one

[teal laurel]

i actively avoid charm

[acoustic sapphire]

fair enough

[verbal fulcrum]

Charm just has a lil bit of a problem

[acoustic sapphire]

i was told it was good and thought i was doing something wrong, but i guess I'll trust you haha

[dense star]

Oh, that's what unhealthy fixation does, meh, haven't seen it

[verbal fulcrum]

uncharmed enemy can briefly one-shot you

[dense star]

Incredible

[acoustic sapphire]

damn

[teal laurel]

charmed enemies dont do jack hit

[verbal fulcrum]

there's that as well

like, if they were actively attacking other enemies that would be nice

[dense star]

I do like Empty Inside though

[verbal fulcrum]

but they're just kinda waddling around and then the effect itself lasts for an eyeblink

all in all it's as useful as a wet fart

[teal laurel]

hey

wet fart helps you remember that you can't wear the same underwear for 3 days and to have regular bowel movements

charmed enemies just dont do anything

kidna like me in class

[frosty pier]

Enemies that dont do anything are good enemies.

Except then they oneshot you

[verbal fulcrum]

tfw your cast crits and deals 1631 damage

[teal laurel]

no enemies that dont do anything is good

[granite vine]

tfw your attack crits and deals 30 damage

[teal laurel]

unless they comeback to attacking you

[frosty pier]

Btw Birb. I think that you played yourself with that 5k furniture xD

[verbal fulcrum]

eh

why?

Farming for 5K gems is a literal nightmare

https://i.imgur.com/cDLNvav.png fast as heck boii

[unborn sparrow]

Best streak 8

[verbal fulcrum]

totally didn't almost get rekt by the final boss

what

is that too low

[granite vine]

clear times starting with numbers less than 4

[unborn sparrow]

At 32 runs sorta.

[verbal fulcrum]

eh

sometimes I get rekt because I'm a silly goober

[unborn sparrow]

Makes sense.

[verbal fulcrum]

sometimes I, well, tried to do 32 heat runs

[unborn sparrow]

Oh lul

riip

[verbal fulcrum]

I actually got the statue but on god mode

because geh

I think it still counts

[unborn sparrow]

Nah

[golden garnet]

It counts for the game

Speaking of things to count, where’s our new God at?

[native ether]

"update when"

[granite vine]

Olympus, I guess?

[golden garnet]

Chillin?

I need them to slide into my DMs in Tartarus.

[verbal fulcrum]

heckling Hades for being a poopy son-in-law

[deep vault]

WHen are updates usually? In half an hour or 3?

[drifting briar]

@deep vault
Usually within 20-30 mins from now me-thinks.

[deep vault]

OwO

I'm most intereted in those surprise updates

Maybe we're getting more companions?
Aspects?
A new weapon?
NEW COLORS FOR THE DRAPES?

[versed flame]

Oh man... Those colors!

[errant narwhal]

help, i have 50% more movement speed and i am so fast

[deep vault]

nyoom

[errant narwhal]

oh im running

[knotty vigil]

gotta go fast

[errant narwhal]

also got athena legendary.... nice

[kindred matrix]

Demeter = earth powers?

Any guesses?

[unborn sparrow]

She isn't even earth

she's abundance and agriculture

[kindred matrix]

Agriculture is sorta like earth :3

Meant more the visual / effect of her abilities

She definitely is going to have a food related boon

As a tier 2

Maybe food shows up more often or something

[errant narwhal]

people have been speculating that if its demeter, she could be winter-themed because of the snow up above!

[kindred matrix]

She'll probably have a dionysus / demeter duo

That no one picks cause they get it too late z.z

[bold river]

it's almost definetly demeter due to the horn in the teaser.

[kindred matrix]

Thats like "food gives you max health"

[unborn sparrow]

Eh, with the wheat halo she doesn't look all that wintery.

[granite vine]

food increases your max health by the same amount instead

[kindred matrix]

Ooo

[granite vine]

absolute wreckage

[kindred matrix]

That would be good

[granite vine]

Charon keepsake + food drop bonus for daysss

[deep vault]

I hope we get that lovely lad's art soon

❤️

wanna see my rich boy who can't talk

[kind cloud]

lulz, i'm somehow locked out of the announcements channel

or is it updating?

[deep vault]

an of course as the update drops my food is ready

well the update is in the launcher

so I'll se ya guys when I have questions haha

[dire mason]

No announcement lock! Discord can sometimes take a bit to update the announcements channel, I think it's because of how many people get notified when we @ everyone.

[deep vault]

• Rod of Fishing: capture (& sell!!) Underworld river denizens with this new House Contractor item

OMG

time to fish some demon fish

[kind cloud]

thanks @dire mason

[atomic locust]

`

• New Story Events: uncover new secrets in hours of added narrative (with more than 1,000 new voice lines)
  `

😮

[drifting briar]

Nerfs to Shield and Buffs to Sword sound quite tasteful.

[astral fjord]

why was quick spin nerfed :/

so sad T_T

[raven sequoia]

quick spin was super powerful with hades aspect

[spice turret]

Okay, so for a second I thought the rod of fishing was the final weapon they were adding

[placid plinth]

I think, more like Hades aspect was only usable with Quick Spin

[meager mica]

They rly add Chinase aspect

it's amazing

[placid plinth]

Well, it's Chinese new year soon after all 😄

[barren nimbus]

I expected Aphrodite basic to get nerfed, but not yeeted, would anyone be kind enough to let me know what the new boon does when you run into it?

[meager mica]

i can't wait too test new spear and boons

[turbid needle]

jesus that's a lot of nerfs this patch

[stone birch]

Time to spend my 15k gems

new furnishings :)))

[crisp iris]

Losing my MIND

THIS IS HUGE

[turbid needle]

The update keeps crashing

Anyone else have that problem

[rare coyote]

Can't check atm, out of the house - would anyone know how many gems does the fishing rod cost?

[north rock]

Sooo I think I’ll go back to not useing the rail again

Infinite chamber replaced.... explosive shot gone completely :/

[unborn sparrow]

shotgun is still there

[stoic ginkgo]

Infinity chamber doesn't seem to be replaced, it looks like they added an effect to it and changed its name

[unborn sparrow]

Just spam attack and the dash resets the tiny reload each time

[fallow niche]

Wow I'm so mad

They completely got rid of the Zag aspect spear

The explosive launcher build is so much worse now

[kindred matrix]

:o

[fallow niche]

That build was nuts

[kindred matrix]

Demeter has slows

I knew it!

Also fml cant play til I come home

[sinful arrow]

Does anyone know if the reduced contractor costs and increased rewards for prophecies adjust your resources?

Like, am I refunded back the extra amount I spent for the discount?

Will I get the extra rewards even if I already redeemed those prophecies?

[inland echo]

https://prnt.sc/qqwq22

well that's a run ending bug

[turbid needle]

guan yu + demeter boons feels nice, this makes me actually want to use varatha

[hollow sorrel]

Can I pretend the Zeus shield is awesome now? I still want it to be a thing

[turbid needle]

Unchanged, and shield got nerfed

[mortal sand]

I don't want to sound like it's a personal problem with Supergiant, but I think I kind of expected this; Supergiant has some sort of vendetta against letting the player feel really powerful (see Bastion and Transistor), and Hades let you actually get crazy powerful near the end if your build lined up.

[dusk adder]

What does the new spear do

[teal laurel]

pos aspect and chaos aspect is maxed

[turbid needle]

@mortal sand I disagree most of the nerfed stuff were pretty op

[sinful arrow]

Did the chaos aspect get it bad?

[grizzled talon]

So many nerfs 😭

[sinful arrow]

I just spent all my Titan Blood on it lmao

[grizzled talon]

sorry I meant in general

[mortal sand]

That's most of the stuff in the game, that nerf list is huge.

[turbid needle]

Shield in generals has the bull rush being slower to charge and less damage I think?

[dusk adder]

Yo guys I can't play rn what does new spear do

[turbid needle]

chaos shield was broken but it's still really good rn, but since zues got buffed idk if it's still the best aspect

[gloomy bone]

I don't really understand how Hades Aspect on the spear is supposed to be useful. Most enemies attack before the thing charges up to the point where it's better than using the regular attack, right?

[turbid needle]

Wait did zeus aspect get buffed hold up

@dusk adder it reduces your hp total but gives you life steal

[dusk adder]

Ooo dope

[turbid needle]

@dusk adder life steal from charged attack which now becomes a projectile

[final fox]

you start charging outside of the enemy range and dash towards them, dragging the spear AoE with you

[bold bear]

Cursed slash is insane

[turbid needle]

I only have levels on Guan Yu rn but the hp cut is pretty brutal

Oh yeah zeus shield deals more damage now, neat. Might not be that great still

more levels reduce the penalty it seems

[gloomy bone]

I didn't know you could drag the AoE with you

[turbid needle]

I'm assuming no one knows what the demeter duo boons are at the current moment

What could they be 🤔

4 in total

[kindred matrix]

IMO the problem with balancing is that

It really depends on heat

[grizzled talon]

The new charon prices before the final boss are nuts

[bold bear]

Demeter+Zeus would make sense, since he's her baby daddy.

[wooden lodge]

Aspect of Nemesis got a 5% crit nerf https://i.imgur.com/LHoCw4a.jpg

[kindred matrix]

Like sure some stuff is broken on 0 heat

[quasi knoll]

yo demeter's cast is sick

[kindred matrix]

But at 20-25-30 you kinda rely on broken stuff

[quasi knoll]

LASER

[bold bear]

How big is the AoE on demeter's cast? About as big as the spear special?

[final fox]

didn't nemesis aspect used to be 35% crit

[turbid needle]

^

If so, that’s a huge nerf

@kindred matrix Chaos shield made 32 heat runs way easier than they should be, compared to the other aspects so I think it deserved the nerf

[mint topaz]

So the game let me leave a chamber with rewards from a combat trove on the floor.

[bold bear]

Yep, it does.

[sinful arrow]

@kindred matrix That's when balancing starts getting tough. You have to start scaling for heats then.

[bold bear]

EclipsedHusky

[wooden lodge]

wow, it lost nearly half its max level crit

[sinful arrow]

Do the devs wanna prioritize the base game or the hard-core players that max heat?

[hollow sorrel]

Yeah. That’s harsh for a weapon people tended to avoid in high heat

[turbid needle]

@bold bear the spear aoe isn't too big but it works

[wooden lodge]

Cthonic Coin Purse got a nerf... why? It was already kind of crap https://i.imgur.com/B8QcFwQ.jpg

[bold bear]

Cthonic coin purse was amazing

[turbid needle]

Like, the nemesis change was NOT in the patch notes

OOF

[sinful arrow]

150 gold with increased prices rip

[turbid needle]

@wooden lodge I take cthonic coin purse at the start of every run what you mean

[wooden lodge]

I guess it was ok but it really needed a change to something like "get extra gold% during the run" or something

[bold bear]

But, yeah, the game got overall tuned to be a bit harder

[quasi knoll]

I think i like demeter's cast more than blade rifts

[fallen quarry]

there's a zues one no doubt

[minor mauve]

Chronic purse was a no brainer - every run I started with it

[bold bear]

Seeking blade rifts, though

[hard holly]

Alright, new Spear Aspect is interesting

[wooden lodge]

Shattered Shackle definitely got nerfed, it was at level 2 giving me 100 hp on a survive, now it's 60 https://i.imgur.com/3BzWJ7N.jpg

[sinful arrow]

Hunting blades got nerfed

[turbid needle]

I think i'm kinda all for the game getting harder over all, it was a bit "too easy" sub 20 heat when you get your hours going

[sinful arrow]

Wonder how they perform now

[wooden lodge]

FAT nerf, now this one has a 10 second cooldown daaaaamn https://i.imgur.com/2jZXLDm.jpg

[hard holly]

So, Guan Yu weapon reduces your health by 80%

[final fox]

that's more than i expected

[hard holly]

And replaces your movesets

Partially

[fallen quarry]

spearpoint needed nerfed

[hard holly]

Thing is, I dont think its enough to offset that brutal 80% loss of health

[normal sleet]

yarp

[turbid needle]

@hard holly reduced penalty per level

don't forget that

[hard holly]

I know

Its still I think 60% at max level?

[turbid needle]

don't use it at level 1 unless you're am asochist

[bold bear]

Does it also reduce the added health from the centaur hearts?

[turbid needle]

yes

[bold bear]

Just git gud, squid

[turbid needle]

reduces everything

Wow ok

[bold bear]

[fallow niche]

holy

holy smokes

[barren nimbus]

Anyone mind checking if chirion bow also got stealth nerfed?

[fallow niche]

look at this place

asphodel is GORGEOUS

[turbid needle]

I'm using it at level 3 rn and it's not bad

[fallow niche]

HOLY SMOKES

[hard holly]

Its gimmick is the spinattack

[turbid needle]

so I kinda missed my chance to use it at level 1

[teal laurel]

I like shield nerf

its not Die shield Die

[bold bear]

It would make the Artemis health up buff even better

[teal laurel]

but rather yeah why do you deal that much damage

[bold bear]

Imagine having 200HP with lifesteal

[teal laurel]

als ois the chaos radial shot thing means no more shotgunning?

[gusty nexus]

You sir had me at spin attack, I love the spin attack!

[fallen quarry]

No more explosive shot on rail :x

[wooden lodge]

no more shotgunning, but it's WAY easier to apply Doom to a whole room

[fallen quarry]

whattt

[wooden lodge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/girl-smile-ij8AeeqXKFZm0

[turbid needle]

I think it’s fair really

Damage was nuts

[wooden lodge]

shotgun shield was stupid

this is a great change

[teal laurel]

oh

so no more shotgun shield

[hard holly]

Im surprised Chaos aspect got nerfed

[turbid needle]

Yeah

[teal laurel]

but now its like Bow volley

i see

[turbid needle]

I think demeter dash is probably in contender to be one of the best dashes in the game

[hard holly]

Already felt weak, but oh well

I was never gonna use it anyway

[turbid needle]

Ok so still shotgun rail?

[teal laurel]

im not surprised that chaos shield was nerf

chaos shield was dummy good

[turbid needle]

I need my metalslug shotgun upgrade

[teal laurel]

deals so much damage

[hot ember]

Anyone using crystal cast?

[hard holly]

See my experience with it has been the opposite

[teal laurel]

with so much utility

[hard holly]

As in, its really bad

[bold bear]

How insane is Chill on bosses?

[hard holly]

And I would never use it over the basic shield aspect

[hot ember]

I'm trying to do a crystal cast run and the beams seem to turn WAY too slow

[teal laurel]

oh dont worry i was better with the sword

[hard holly]

Since Bull Rush is better than special 100% of the time

[turbid needle]

Chaos shiels is weak until you get dio special or a good damage special, then it’s insane

[hard holly]

I guess its been used with explosive shield

[slim trail]

has anyone else got the legendary? it doesn't seem to do anything.

[hard holly]

Return

[turbid needle]

Also explosive shield

[teal laurel]

until i realize how to use it