design mistake != weak weapon
#h1-builds-and-combat
teal laurel
well i agree with taht
still doe compared to other weapons its very slow and laggy
but spear is laggier iirc
neon ridge
rofl
wind ether
It's so weird seeing it in Russian 
stray frigate
what's wrong with russian?
wind ether
Nothing... I was just reading it and it sounds so.... Interesting... 
teal laurel
also how doees the progress for the third slot weapon goes
stray frigate
it's sounds pretty sensless for me
teal laurel
im upgrading haddes spear
wind ether
I guess I haven't noticed how its in English
teal laurel
I play in Japanese right now mostly because im bored
stray frigate
Oh notice ne Zagreus senpai says Tomatos kun
teal laurel
tomatos?
wind ether
teal laurel
also is there any special interaction on beating the game with no boons and no mirror
wind ether
Can you even without boons tho 
teal laurel
that's fine actually
supple haven
Technically beating the game with no mirror is not 0 heat
wind ether
And having heat that makes you drop boons after boss
supple haven
Because u can count it as budget cut
stray frigate
@supple haven max budget cut still 500
teal laurel
damn i wish hades would bow down to you when you beat it boonless and mirrorless
that like the biggest effin flex
wind ether
Hmm.... Gonna try that... Even tho 100%know I can't do it
supple haven
How can u even be boonless? Just sell the boons every chance u get?
stray frigate
@supple haven if u have possibility to miss boon - you take it
and u sell all u have in midlvl pool
wind ether
Fudge can't get used to having less dodge
supple haven
Seems too rng dependant to do properly
stray frigate
y
teal laurel
ye
wind ether
I only got her to 50 %
stray frigate
what weap
teal laurel
my theory craft is that you can probably low boon no mirror with Chaos aspect
versed ibex
I've seen a lot of people raving about Chaos boon shield -- can somebody walk me through how to make best use of it? I always end up dash attacking instead of bull rushing so it feels a bit slow paced 😅
stray frigate
@versed ibex u want some posion or doom on special
teal laurel
but onnce you hold the button and it detects it
stray frigate
and weak or jolted on attack
teal laurel
you can release any time
wind ether
Doing 288 dmg in on thrust in 3rd room
teal laurel
thrust?
versed ibex
Oh, so I don't need to actually do a full bull rush to get the multi-shield throw?
wind ether
With sword... And ye.. Thrust
versed ibex
I'll have to try that then. And yeah, doom on the special would be nice
teal laurel
why
cruel thrust?
i played with that once
for prophecy
felt bad
yeah
Doom special is good
stray frigate
@versed ibex https://prnt.sc/qpjahd
teal laurel
and aphro on normal attack is good as well
stray frigate
it's not bad variant
you charge ur bull. and after that u use ur special
it's almost like Chiron
versed ibex
how does that play out with the "bounce off more enemies" upgrade?
stray frigate
well mb yes mb not
i do not see big diff
but i take it
when u use ur special after charge
u can easily proc 5-4 stacks on target momentally
for Ares u want both doom upgrades
for dio... u want... Special...
stray frigate
More bounces - more bounces https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HY6aqmQA7u8/hqdefault.jpg
wind ether
Did tisiphone now 0 boons from gods
somber hill
So has anyone managed to make the whole Poseidon "knockback/slam damage" thing work out? I've been trying to but just end up with no damage against bosses.
somber hill
Ahh there's my problem.
icy edge
it sends them flying
Dash procs rupture, but thats pretty much it
Of course, poseidon works with any build and weapon
but he works most hilariously on shield
somber hill
Yeah, I've been running shield but tend to dash attack for gotta go fast
icy edge
It's not entirely intuitive, yeah
somber hill
Yeah, cheers for that.
icy edge
Np
Also, getting like 30% on plume and picking up epic dodge and dash heal boon is hilarious
Hades does upwards of 80 with a hit, but you either take zero dmg, or heal back almost half that with a dash
stray frigate
@icy edge heroic dodge is 30 btw :3
icy edge
Dodge came up in styx, so no way to boost it, but I assume dodging more hits than you dont can be meta
wind ether
Just did hydra... And have only excruciating lunge, cruel thrust and Zagreus aspect
0 mirror
stray frigate
stray frigate
so tell me
is it a bug?
trinket says - next boon i find will be ares
but i still can choose aphro
fallow niche
@stray frigate Not a bug. It says the next boon you find will be from Ares, not the next one you get.
fallow niche
Also this 32 heat run is a pain in the butt
wind ether
Played hades and didn't even notice I need to go home 
Need to stop playing until last minute of work 
lament coral
first death by a trap, wow
lament coral
last room in Styx, walked into a cleaver, dashed away, then stepped into another cleaver
lament coral
yep, 800%
instant defiance proc, and then death
also, the keepsake's text is correct: you were offered two doors and one of them was Ares
also, that's not the first room
stray frigate
i just understand it incorrectly
Guys i just realised who is the strongest character in game
it's Contractor!
his power so big - he even can upgrade urnes in Chaos domain
zinc geode
....That's being done in Hades name ostensibly to make Hades domain stronger.
lament coral
so really, Hades is the strongest
stray frigate
but who did upgrade? Contractor!
Hades cant even make clean up in Styx
in his own temple
it's captured by satyrs and rats
wind vale
on the other hand - did you see dust anywhere? - maybe its dusa?
stray frigate
so the final boss is Contractor
confirmed
u need to buy all his upgrades and collect 10k more gems and 100 diamonds to face him
oh guys u wanna funny fact?
if you use bouldy in fight
ares cast can reflect from his items
wind vale
the items block probably all projectiles
wind vale
(you can drop him right on top of hydra[em version] and block all the ranged attacks)
granite vine
which one do i pick
wind vale
is it supposed to be a hunting blades run or does it not have a direction yet? then its hunting blades ofc
stray frigate
@granite vine HB
granite vine
as you can see in image i have 6 casts
wind vale
else deadly reversal is always great if you got something to deal daamge
granite vine
i also have the duplicate cast boon for 12 total rifts
my god I want to save this choice forever
carmine sorrel
who escaped with 32heat?
Is it possible? :0
wind vale
its possible
would be interesting to know the maximum anyone got but 32 is definitely doable
just have to get a really good run and everything adjusted right for that
ofc its really hard
i mean its supposed to be the highest challenge there
stray frigate
lol killed both t&m in same second
carmine sorrel
we need emoji-thanatos
stray frigate
all you ever want in one run http://prntscr.com/qpl09z
silk field
Any way to reset weapon upgrades or can all weapons be upgraded to the max with the blood of the titans?
stray frigate
@silk field u didnt beat the game yet?
no way u can have blood back
but u can have more blood yes
knotty vigil
This is so stupid...
https://imgur.com/a/7pB4TyE
Look at the timer on the bottom left. Had the 9min timer and found the satyr sack behind the last door.
woeful stirrup
I've found the sack is mostly (only?) behind non-skull paths.
craggy zinc
I feel like you should get a time bonus per tunnel, or a time bonus or reset upon reaching Hades
knotty vigil
or garuantee that it appears on at least the 2nd or 3rd door
stray frigate
you have guarantee it will appears at least at the 5th doot but it's not enough? ungrateful!
knotty vigil
xD
hollow sorrel
Time bonus per tunnel is more along what similar games would do
stray frigate
Can anyone give me screenshot for patrocles offers in english?
languid fjord
stray frigate
carmine sorrel
@knotty vigil timer is not actually for final boss battle
languid fjord
It's on the page man
carmine sorrel
timer kills when moving from a location
stray frigate
there are lot of ppl and moders prefer english alas
carmine sorrel
что поделать
stray frigate
nothing)
knotty vigil
@carmine sorrel The timer is still active during bosses.
urban hill
btw how does the "the next boon you find" keepsakes work? it applies to the first one I find, but does it refresh when I finish a level?
urban hill
so it's one time only?
stray frigate
well it always should offer a chosen god roon when it's possible
and if u look at it when u equip - it has 1 charge
after you use it - it still lvlup rarity
but doesnt gurantee you god meeting
fallow niche
@knotty vigil Sack is more likely to show up if you've done one of the miniboss tunnels
So if you go miniboss > normal then you have a good chance of getting it in the second chamber
stray frigate
@fallow niche i must admit i clear both boss tunnels and 3rd gives me sack in 70-80% runs
fallow niche
Yeah sounds about right
I find the minibosses easier than normal rooms anyway in Styx
Thankfully I got it in the 3rd room when I was doing my 32 heat run too
stray frigate
@fallow niche i prefer to start bosses room cus i may lose much hp there and can be healed when i find sack and make some more tunnels
instead of clearing usual tunnels with full hp find sack and make fountain useless and lost much hp after that with bosses
knotty vigil
@fallow niche Thanks, should come in useful on my next run.
pallid sky
styx in general is a bit too easy imo
with how powerful you are by the time you get there and all
blazing mulch
pallid sky
the rooms are smaller so they all die from your aoe attack
carmine sorrel
@knotty vigil when passing the test with each type of punishment, the race for time was also not very successful. 5 rooms of satyrs/5. Timer zeroized, but the fight with Hades has not stopped
hollow sorrel
I kind of feel like tight deadline is the wall i'm hitting for a 32 heat. Sometimes it feels like I'm constantly attacking and stuff, but I'm sometimes wasting time in giant rooms, looking for the last monster... or something else happens, and I'm not making 7:00
knotty vigil
No but I really needed that health :/
hollow sorrel
Like having middle management demigorgon, where the fight isn't hard, but it's so long because I didn't have two status ailments, or anything else that makes my damage really good
fallow niche
I only used one level of tight deadline for 32 heat
9 isnt so bad, 7 is pretty harsh
fallen quarry
I found the key to running 7 minutes of tight dealine on 25+ heat is to bypass all fights possible in elysium
even if you're going into a shop without money to buy anything
fallow niche
Elysium is hell alright
versed ibex
I just did my first tight deadline run (no other pacts, just the first level of that one) and Elysium was definitely the hardest for me 😔 Large rooms and for some reason I kept getting rooms with a LOT of waves of enemies.
stable fossil
Without any other heat I can beat the game with time to spare on tight deadline
My best speed in Tartarus is 3 and half minutes
Without avoiding as many fights as posisble
toxic tusk
@fallen quarry I was playing with only max Forced Overtime and Extreme Measures to try it, and it really was a fun build
https://imgur.com/a/7urkEmH
fallen quarry
Yeah, I like how it doesn't take a lot of luck for boons to line up
toxic tusk
Even though I didn't had Explosive Shot, I had Perfect Shot. With Chaos Dash Attack boons, I saw dash attacks over 1000
fallen quarry
Nice!
I'm surprised the zag bow isn't more popular given all the multiplicative hammer boons for the attack
Though I only recently found out dash attacks had damage increase now
toxic tusk
I would like to try it with Poseidon on attack. With tempest flourish, jolted and rupture, it might be nice
fallen quarry
I had dropped the weapon while it didn't get them
turbid needle
I suck with everything except the bow so far lol
turbid needle
About to unlock what looks like a gun tho
Not sure what heat means, but ive only reached rhe minotaur 2x
15th run
Still early
turbid needle
Any tips for general melee tactics? Of course dashing like mad
turbid needle
Oh ill stick to ranged then until i pump those up a bit
stray frigate
Shield is OP too
for shield i used to play dash attack and double attack hammers
and add as much Dashattack/attack boons from chaos as i could
Also artemis dash did pretty well
For call Athena or Ares - cus both makes you invincible
now i stick to Chiron bow and Chaos shield
they are kinda similar
stuck bough
I need to try that
stray frigate
what?
turbid needle
I get bad hand cramps playing or id be on this during all my off time from work lol
stuck bough
That shield build
stray frigate
@stuck bough it's only good for low heat
now i play with Chaos Aphro/Dio
and it's rly strong
stuck bough
That is the build I usually use as well
stray frigate
that is 32 heat build no?
aaaaand shield is op. Just remind you
oh my...i should be at work in 4 hours
and i didnt sleep yet(
this game had me this time
vocal sky
I think I broke Theseus? He invoked Dionysus and never stopped for the rest of the battle. He just stood there while I got chased by the circles. I think it had to do with me charming him? That seems to break bosses a tad in my experience.
somber shard
This has probably been asked before, but does picking up Boons increase the probability of finding that Olympian's Boons again during that run? It always feels like the probability is nudging me towards getting Duo Boons
lusty gust
Just saw the 3 Fury sister in the same room
pure junco
Epic
lusty gust
I thought that would be the worst run in my life
pure junco
3 sisters is claps
lusty gust
But it actually turned out to be the most fun boss fight atm
pure junco
Nice 😄 .
round bone
I am struggling so hard at heat level 32. Does anyone have a preferred setup or build for that level?
snow tangle
@somber shard I kinda feel that, sometimes it feels like the only boons I find are from 3-4 gods and the others don't appear even once
somber shard
Yeah I felt that way, I was wondering if anyone knew if the game locks certain Olympians out of the probability pool once you've started taking Boons from 2-3 of them
(not a complaint, bc I actually love that it works that way)
round bone
@somber shard Sometimes I reroll boons to prevent that, and still end up with the same ones. Does the game prioritize certain gods each run? I wonder
snow tangle
Any run where I don't get to hear a single Artemis voiceline is automatically a bad run
snow tangle
That's part of his undocumented buff, he can freeze your hardware in phase 2 now
knotty vigil
And I always thought it was logitech unifying stealing the focus of the window
But he is god so that makes sense
rancid crow
Hades, God of Bluetooth
fallen quarry
that's what I used for 32 heat, on the chaos shield
most of my damage came from artemis special
snow tangle
I honetly can't bother using the melee weapons unless I'm going for a cast/special build
fallen quarry
I took like 6 jabs at it, lost the first 4 figured something out, then cleared it the next two times I attempted it
I used art/chaos relic the first 2 zones, then the spear for the last two
@round bone
What I wasn't doing the first 4 runs, was taking every fight bypass in the elysium
round bone
Dropped middle management, hmm
fallen quarry
bouldy companion was pretty useful too
round bone
I was using chaos shield dyonisis
fallen quarry
yikes
round bone
But I just failed at elysium
fallen quarry
idk why he's so popular
I can understand running him casually without the clock, for fun
round bone
Well, I definitely think he's good if you get the stacks up, which the shield is good for
fallen quarry
but trying to pull off something hard under the clock, he's one of the weakest gods
round bone
But, yeah, clock ran out in eleysium
fallen quarry
I'm contemplating trying to pull off 32 heat with the bow heh
I fear though, it would be too reliant on getting lucky with chaos boons
chaos boons are pretty broken
if you manage to get damage boosts off them
eh... I think 32 heat on bow is going to be too masochistic..
fallen quarry
I'm probably going to give it a swing now
I don't even know the hammer upgrades to the spear as I've only done 2 runs with it Haha
solid cairn
umm
Exploding launcher, vicious skewer, and the armor damage one on special are all great @fallen quarry
I don't recommend multi skewer
gloomy scroll
I've never tried achilles spear cause my strategy is just toss it from super far and try to snipe (zag aspect is great for this)
solid cairn
u right I should probably be putting my blood into chaos shield
I have max zag spear
fallen quarry
Does attack speed on spear let you charge spin attack faster?
solid cairn
no
blazing pawn
I think there's a specific hammer upgrade for spin speed
fallen quarry
😕
solid cairn
what makes achilles good is that it makes casts do more damage
solid cairn
only rush gives damage
fallen quarry
Have to rush
I don't like running cast, you have to get lucky with boons for it to achieve much
still atlas
what’s the max bonus damage on achilles spear?
fallen quarry
150%
still atlas
oh wow
solid cairn
mostly you just dash attack
fallen quarry
Any hammer upgrades that change it?
blazing pawn
should I farm darkness for a while before doing heat runs
solid cairn
what do you not have
solid cairn
also, well done
turbid needle
Impressive
solid cairn
first few heats are EZ
fallen quarry
If it's just fated authority you're missing, you should be fine, the rest help out a lot for high heat
blazing pawn
partly luck I think I had some wild shield special boons
solid cairn
just pour into jury summons, then 1 extreme measures
blazing pawn
I asked in another channel but do you know if there's like an in-game log somewhere
or not implemented yet
for past runs
fallen quarry
A log like your run history?
blazing pawn
yeah kind of like slay the spire
blazing pawn
I can't remember all the upgrades I had
serene nexus
IIRC, the scrying pool upgrade gives you information about the number of escape attempts and number of enemies killed but that's pretty much it,.
golden garnet
What's the best strat for fated authority use?
I've noticed it seems to vary by tiers:
Tier 1 seems to be Gold, Key, Gems, Darkness
Tier 2 seems to be Centaur/Pom
Tier 3 seems to be Boons and Hammers
I'm noticing that it's exceptionally rare to get Coin to turn to a boon, for instance . Am I tripping?
dreamy oxide
my (limited) understanding is that they do have separate pools that they work from, but i have not personally gotten that upgrade yet
i want to say that the colors of the laurel on the preview matter? like blue ones are one pool, and gold ones another? i'm sure someone else knows better though
unkempt pagoda
there’s a room guide in the pins, y’all!
but to answer, blue laurels are permanent resources and gold laurels are temporary (boons, money, poms, etc)
dreamy oxide
oh wow, thanks! sorry, i'm still new to the idea of pins.
fallen quarry
coins can roll to boons
dreamy oxide
the infographic for that is just great.
fallen quarry
I always roll coins off to something else, and I also avoid ares, zues, dion, and pos :p
unkempt pagoda
gold laurels can reroll into anything else in the gold category, but you only get a set of 3-4 gods to reroll per chamber preview
fallen quarry
boons/coins can roll into hammer too
well, poms
as well
I don't often roll hearts, so I'm not sure on them
fallen quarry
heh, 3 successful runs in the row on the bow at 23, 26, and 26 heat
think that means it's time to turn it up more again!
drifting briar
does increasing heat by one each time yield titan blood->diamond->ambro, etc per region up till highest heat per weapon/arms?
What happens if roll say from 5 heat to 8 heat at once and clear both? Does that make 6, 7 heat clears just darkness and skip over those rewards?
full flame
if you jump from 5 to 8, the clear on 8 will count as a clear of 6
as far as rewards are concerned
drifting briar
Ty @full flame
Supplementally, for it to count as a clear of 8 for the trinket say I did that 8 heat run and it counted as 6 would I have to do it again at that 8 to count as a 7 run and then at 8 and up for it to count as an 8? Or would it unlock that trinket but on the record itself archive as 6 run?
dreamy oxide
wow, middle management barge of death is a nightmare ;-;
crimson axle
"Imagine having trouble with MM Barge of Death" - this comment was made by the Poseidon gang
dreamy oxide
clearly i need to show uncle more love then! haha
hollow sorrel
Tidal dash is my second favorite dash. It's like mini pinball
drifting briar
What's your first @hollow sorrel ? Divine ?
hollow sorrel
yeah
I use it like a parry sometimes
Like, if the minotaur is doing the jumping attack, I might purposely time the dash so the minotaur's melee attack gets deflected
it's really good at deflecting thesus' spear attack too. Just dash towards the spear attack, and you have like a .75 second margin of error
crimson axle
Plus seeing that ring of shields glowing around you is maximum comfy
obsidian abyss
just had a juicy run. had aphro legendary, burst shot, and epic flurry cast
so i shot 12 casts in like 1.5 seconds. they were all poseidon explosions too so it was really flashy and visually appealing
obsidian abyss
very funny. the dps was pretty good but not amazing
i had 200 damage exit wounds tho and with cause i had poseidan aspect, it was good
little gale
crimson axle
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next light
32 Heat is crazy. I don't know how people do it.
I've only been able to make it to Tartarus.
toxic tusk
I think the first think you really need to get comfortable with Forced Overtime. After that you need to learn how to play fast while avoid being hit a lot. Do some runs with the different things you're gonna use in the 32 pact (more damage from enemies, more health on enemies, etc).
Final thing is grabbing the Chaos Shield and hope for a good build 😅 (for me best was Aphrodite on attack, Dio special and Athena Dash)
spice mauve
does anybody else find Zeus’ boons pretty underwhelning? Or am I just using his boons improperly?
kind cloud
i pretty much avoid his boons, him and poseidon unless i think i can get razor shoals from poseidon
spice mauve
i’m experienced in roguelikes, but pretty new to hades still. i’ve pretty much gotten the hang of building for certain play styles, but zeus never seems to fit into them
kind cloud
shield + ares = thank me later
shield (evolved to max chaos) + ares + aphrodite + artemis = LOL, pretty much wreck everything in the game
spice mauve
i’ve still gotta max out my weapons
kind cloud
it'll take some time but worth it
kind cloud
i don't even bother trying to beat hades with some weapons beyond like 4 heat, some playstyles just don't appeal to me
spice mauve
i only have the sword and bow left, and just had to leave a pretty decent bow run that felt it was going well
kind cloud
supergiant introduced delay on its 360 special
shield is the best weapon
like, most people that prefer other playstyles or weapons will tell you that shield is the best weapon because it has the block ability which stops incoming projectiles
very useful against the bosses
muted needle
Stopping projectiles isn't necessary if you kill the boss fast enough
This post brought to you by the Nemesis gang
kind cloud
@muted needle
which i can never do...i struggle to beat the game faster than 31 minutes
muted needle
It'll come together
kind cloud
meanwhlle, there are players beating in like 17-18 minutes
muted needle
Also keep in mind that being fast in the rooms isn't necessarily the same thing as fast on the bosses
kind cloud
true
muted needle
Few builds do equally well in both aoe and single target
I don't think I'm below 16 minutes but Haelian is sub 10 minutes
muted needle
@kind cloud 9:03 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ECVTkeBeA
kind cloud
i remember when he (iirc) figured out the shield aphrodite charm which broke the game
muted needle
Now keep in mind that's a specific seed and carefully curated
But he also had a 22 minute 32 heat run the other day
Obviously none of us have his mechanics
kind cloud
btw, has anyone beaten the game in max heat?
muted needle
Not sure
ocean arch
tight deadline + jury summons along with everything else means if you get a bad spawn in any room your run's basically done for, I reckon
muted needle
I'm casually working my way up with each weapon one heat at a time, I'm starting to not win most times now in the mid 20's
I'm sure it's possible
but it would take a LOT of time and effort
kind cloud
of all the supergiant games, i think the max difficult path on hades is the toughest
like all the limiters on transistor was manageable and became eventually quite doable once you figure out the game.
but the rng-nature of hades means any bad draw can destroy you
in transistor, you had control over choices/options/build
ocean arch
Hades is also more designed for that near-endless difficulty scaling though
kind cloud
agree
different style game than transistor
has some overlap in design but the actual goal is different
@muted needle what does IGT and RTA stand for?
@muted needle and what's the difference?
unborn trellis
in-game time and real time attack
ocean arch
^
They're terms used often in speedrunning
so the game's clock timer would be 9:03 mins but real-time it would've taken longer, part of this is how the timer stops in a boon menu or on a loading screen
kind cloud
ok, got it
lament coral
ugh, once feedback is back, I'm gonna lodge a suggestion to have the first god gift you find always offer you choice of attack, special, and cast
I'm sick of taking Zeus' keepsake and not finding Zeus attack until I get to Asphodel
I see special, I see cast, yet zero attacks
ocean arch
The times I've taken a god keepsake for the attack or special boon only to get to hades and still not have seen it
lament coral
right? It's insane
ocean arch
love those runs where you're trying to make a build and you're just missing your core boon
lament coral
I took 3 Zeus gifts in Tartarus, with his keepsake, and got no attack
ocean arch
Oof
kind cloud
so the record time we get after beating hades is the igt and not the rta, got it, something i just learned/noticed from watching haelian's 9:03 run
ocean arch
yeah
if you turn on the in-game clock you'll notice that it pauses on loading screens and such
kind cloud
i just realized that i could probably shave 3-4 minutes off my time if i didn't screw around in the chambers...hmmm...
so maybe i'm not as slow as i thought
and...i almost always do all 5 chambers even if i get the sack in the first 1-2 chambers
that's probably another 1-2 minutes
cool, cool...i'm not a total slowpoke! that's a relief
lulz
ocean arch
doing all chambers in styx is a lot more time than you'd think tbf
lament coral
you got the sack in the first room?
kind cloud
a few times
kind cloud
did they patch it? i've noticed that it hasn't happend in like the last 20 runs or so
lament coral
dunno, I started playing in January
kind cloud
i stopped playing for like a month
ocean arch
Hasn't been a patch in over 2 months
or something like that
and next patch isn't until tuesday
kind cloud
yeah, i clearly remember there was one run where i wanted a heart because i only had like 175 health, it was one of the 2 armored rooms, i expected one of the armored gemstones and it was just a heart waiting (+50 increase in health since it was armor) plus sack
got it on my first time, took it and then kept doing the other chambers
so wait...this is news to me...
we should never expect to get the sack earlier than the 2nd room?
kind cloud
got it, thanks
fallow niche
@muted needle He's sub 8 minutes now
chilly summit
@kind cloud what is an armored room?
kind cloud
there are 5 chambers in styx, 2 of the rooms have locks on them - indicates quasi-mini bosses with armor
royal coral
I'm so hyped for tuesday... does anyone know in what time periode the update goes live?
ocean arch
I'm personally not going to wait for tuesday and instead just worry about having it on wednesday
royal coral
January 21th ... that's tuesday. Or I don 't get ur point...
kind cloud
lykophea can correct me if i'm wrong but i think he/she is saying that he/she won't get caught up in the hype of the tuesday release and just wait for wednesday because by then it'll surely be available regardless of time zone
ocean arch
Pretty much that
I live in Europe and I've often been expecting a game patch on a day only to have it be somewhere in the afternoon in PST, meaning I can end up waiting all day only for me to not actually see the patch until the day after (this is not talking about Supergiant but more generally over games I've played throughout the years)
worldly mauve
yeah don't bother to wait mostly, lets just chill and play when it's up
having this same experience in aussie
I'll just let my lappy on all night and see if steam will auto-update the game.
covert grove
@kind cloud We've actually gotten the time down to 7:43 this patch! Mostly thanks to the hydra skip discovery. You can see the current bests at http://www.speedrun.com/hades/
fallow niche
Wew
That's fast
@covert grove Do you have a streaming schedule in place or is it just whenever you happen to stream?
covert grove
Just whenever I am afraid for now. Working on a schedule. I'll be streaming a lot this Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday to experience the new patch though!
dire fable
Hydra skip?
hollow sorrel
If you whack the hydra with enough damage at the beginning, you skip phases
royal coral
How is that even possible? 
hollow sorrel
meg does like 2,000 damage by herself, i think
fallow niche
You need very good timing though
hollow sorrel
people usually don't notice that because like 95% of the players with companions, just use the boulder
fading schooner
Is it a bug or feature though? First time I am hearing about it, but it sounds like something devs would want to fix.
hollow sorrel
I'm fairly sure it's a bug
well, more like an oversight
they would have to cap the overflow-into-next-phase damage to fix it
or it might be the case that doing the super damage early on, makes the damage happen before the boss turns on its over-flow-into-next-phase damage shield
viral fossil
hollow sorrel
We don't really have a solid speedrunning community for this game, so there aren't really any rules for it. Traditionally, the speedruns are separated into categories like "Any" and "no glitch." "Any" basically means whatever is in the game is fair to use, and "no glitch" means avoiding anything that's not supposed to be in the game
viral fossil
got new heat and time record 😄
covert grove
@hollow sorrel This is true, it's also tough since the game is in early access so most glitches or unintended mechanics get fixed soon after discovery. RIP hydra skip soon I'm thinking
hollow sorrel
At least it's not as bad as Dead Cells was during one early access patch, where you could skip the final boss by floating over the stage. It made the "Any" speedruns way way shorter than the "no glitch" speedruns, because you didn't need to worry at all about being powerful enough to actually fight the final boss
unkempt pagoda
can we apply that to hades
solid cairn
Hades skip
unkempt pagoda
escape the underworld by just floating by your dad
fallow niche
God I hate seeing the Lightning Rod duo boon when going Zeus/Artemis
Its so bad
Only having 2 boon choices instead of 3
solid cairn
no choice be like
meager mica
one of Dead Cells bosses is still skipable
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/668497487757049914/unknown.png Having no boons really sucks, though... do I still go for eury even in this situation or go for the trial?
royal coral
Go for Aphro/Ares I Think
novel python
I've gotten his keepsake hoping that he'll give me attack or special
Still nothing
Urge to kill and Aid
royal coral
Pretty unlucky...
meager mica
when i have no boons
novel python
I'm tempted to take the last option from eury
But the trial will already give me 2 boons
meager mica
trials are best
novel python
I mean it is a cast build but still
royal coral
Not better then hammers imo
meager mica
or you just want Ares Heroic Cast
royal coral
And don't do an aphro call build
novel python
Nah, I wanted special or attack from Ares
I aint trying ares cast anymore
Especially since I'm on poseidon
meager mica
well i'm mainly using Hera's bow and Spear
novel python
And yeah, aphro cast buid
meager mica
so maybe it's bcs of my preferences on those
novel python
build*
meager mica
Hammer is bad when you have Hera Aspect
chilly summit
@novel python ares aid is op
novel python
I strayed away from the bow because if you're unlucky with your boons you won't be able to do jack sh1t
In higher heat
meager mica
i love blade rifts
novel python
Hera blade rift build is so boon dependant
That you feel weak af if you don't get the duo and the legendary
meager mica
yeah
meager mica
i mainly try getting Aphro cast on Hera
manic dune
bow with split arrows and explosive arrows is pretty nice
novel python
If I'm going aphro cast I'm trying to get something else on my attack so I can proc both statuses
with one arrow
I'm still trying to decide where to go though 😂
Trials or eury and take the last thing?
Though if ares gets me the attack or special
At least I'll have priv stat
pastel jolt
trial
novel python
Pecks back
meager mica
Arte marks are curse
royal coral
Trial bro 
meager mica
yeah
pastel jolt
pecks back wat
meager mica
but bcs of snowball mechanic on boons i don't take boons from more than 3 gods before Elysium
novel python
pastel jolt
that me hello 
novel python
o/
Aight gonna fight aphro really quick
cuz I ain't tryina dodge ares' rifts
Nu-uh
pastel jolt
i was just confused bc my name's sparrow, "the welcome to peck update" is just the Themed Nickname i went with this time around jkhdfghdf
oh yeah i'd totally take aphrodite's trial over ares
novel python
yas
Special
Aphro can give me the duo too right
Pfff.. is it even worth to take normal sweet surrender ( 10% dmg increase on weak targets )?
lament coral
which are the preferable attack/special gods for Nemesis sword?
novel python
I started to like ares on special
lament coral
I tried Artemis but her base damage buff is kinda lackluster
novel python
Hmm ares special athena attack and try to aim for duo?
lament coral
oh, that's the doom cancel one?
novel python
Yeah, doom insta trigger and bonus damage on top
novel python
Not sure, wasn't it aphro
lament coral
not sure either, wiki's not update, unfortunately
this is why I wish there was an in-game wiki
always updated
should be a standard in roguelikes, really
novel python
Someone with lots of time on their hands should try and do some detailed guide for the game
As in descriptions of all the boons with pros / cons / synergies
And not only
Lore-wise stuff
keen shard
Playing hell mode rn um whats tge diffrence?
lament coral
nah, they shouldn't. That stuff could change on a whim still
keen shard
Like ive cleared only noticed more spawns
manic dune
hell mode you have mandatory 5 heat levels
lament coral
some modifiers cannot be turned off, e.g. 2500 darkness mirror limit, enemies are strong and have more HP
novel python
And you also don't get the imprevious shield when you get hit by a huge chunk
lament coral
you also don't get invulnerability after getting hit
novel python
Also what Zepp said
unkempt pagoda
in normal mode: pact is unlocked after clearing a run for the first time, no forced pact conditions, no "Personal Liability" condition, no forced heat up after each clear
unkempt pagoda
for each weapon, yes
lament coral
in addition, you miss out on all bounties from 1 to 4 heat, that's 20 runs worth of bounties
lament coral
40 bloods, 20 diamonds, and 20 ambrosias down the drain
manic dune
it's a pain to get started up on hell mode with weapon upgrades
lament coral
I think there's just not enough movable space in the Hydra fight
lament coral
avoiding lava is supposed to be a challenge but a lot of the time you take more damage from it than the hydra or its heads
manic dune
hydra is the easiest boss
manic dune
game needs more alternative bosses per stage
lament coral
something like furies, rotating each time?
manic dune
and the 3 furies need more differentiating movesets
lament coral
hydra has that, kind of, cause it summons different heads
lament coral
Theseus and Hades are the most stale fights, they don't change at all
novel python
randomly chosen biomes after each stage
So you could start either tartarus or something else
keen shard
Zzz hydra needs rework my greatest annoyance is forced phases through invinsablity reminds me of poe
novel python
And either get a random one after you clear the first
keen shard
Kill a ma0 boss so fast
novel python
Or choose where you wanna go
lament coral
you start in Tartarus because its enemies are the weakest
if you started in Elysium with no boons and 100 HP, you'd die
lament coral
that ain't happening and you know it
keen shard
About how sheild trivaluzes the game
lament coral
I don't like DC
novel python
Trivializes
lament coral
but hey, props to those devs, they're adding more stuff
novel python
I mean, in DC, the higher the difficulty the better you need to learn enemies' patterns
manic dune
that one was pretty good haven't played it since the EA release version
waiting for new content to pile up
keen shard
U did new boss?
lament coral
you beat furies, you beat hydra, you beat Theseus, and then you die
keen shard
Rn im waiting on new biome n shet
manic dune
nah i grinded all the steam achievement when it released then left it
lament coral
and in order to beat Hades you need to beat Theseus on every heat level
that's Dead Cells
novel python
As in it still counts as a win if you kill the hand of the king
lament coral
and after you beat Hades, you'd need to beat him again, at max heat!
wow, innovative gameplay!
novel python
I used to sh1t myself while playing because some biomes are long af
and there are really scary enemies
manic dune
the heat system might be just placeholder to enable replayability
novel python
aight, 12 mins into the game, entering elysium, is this doable under 20 mins?
manic dune
i mean it works, but it can change
novel python
Wait undermine is a roguelike?
manic dune
yeah those are definitely placeholders
novel python
Ive seen reto playing that
lament coral
DC has crap item balance, no where near what Hades has
if you've been dealt a bad hand in DC, you'll die
novel python
Um
lament coral
in Hades, you can recover
novel python
There's a mode
manic dune
if you unlock crap items in DC you can get screwed over
keen shard
As sheild
keen shard
In indie games
novel python
That's how I've beaten 2bc iirc
manic dune
if you only unlock the OP stuff you'll be fine kek
lament coral
there's a limit now
keen shard
Sheild should not be a thing
novel python
Double boy's axe
keen shard
Cmv
novel python
pepega
lament coral
you can't lock away all the bad items anymore
lament coral
you're forced to take garbage
manic dune
you could lock away the bad items?
novel python
I used to lock everything other than power nade and boys axe
lament coral
in DC, yes
novel python
And a shield for the first stage
keen shard
Not unlock them
U can do that in undermine
As well
Dont unlock trash potions and items
But i dont play like that
manic dune
you don't really need to do that
lament coral
oh, and another brilliant DC feature: you can't progress meta unlocks on the highest difficulty level
innovation!
manic dune
at some point UM snowballs
and you can do like a billion rerolls
and item duplications
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/668506283082514442/unknown.png I guess the only thing to pick here would be the dash attack?
I shouldn't have taken flurry
candid merlin
Nah the dash attacks generally suck
novel python
Armor slayer would be bad too since I do my damage with casts mostly
And also my attack does like
28?
novel python
yeah ik nova sux
lament coral
Nemesis is my new best friend
lament coral
start the game with Artemis' keepsake, Artemis gift in the first room, no cast
2 Artemis gifts later and I still have no cast
novel python
And there's me, getting her legendary in tartarus when I'm playing Chiron and not Hera
lament coral
buy 4th Artemis gift from Charon, common Artemis cast
thanks a lot, Artemis keepsake
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/668507507261702184/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 I'm tempted to take support fire so I can at least make flurry "work" ?
keen shard
Yeh why not
lament coral
are you playing on a laptop?
novel python
Nah, pc
lament coral
the resolution is so bad, I can hardly make out your boons
novel python
No idea why, maybe because I'm sending it to a discord bot and then copying the link?
novel python
4
lament coral
could still take Hermes' auto cast in Styx
lament coral
oh, that's autocast above the dashes
novel python
Yep, it's flurry
lament coral
then yeah, Support Fire is a no brainer
fallow niche
@novel python It was def dash attack there btw
The guy who said dash attacks suck has no clue what hes saying
novel python
Well tbh it might suck since I've got flurry
And deal basically n odamage on my attacks
fallow niche
Depends on your attack boon but the others don't really do anything for you there
fallow niche
That looks like a really bizarre build in general tbh
Not sure how to make heads or tails of it lol
fallow niche
Much riskier than normal Artemis cast shenanigans imho
novel python
Welp why do the same builds over and over again
fallow niche
True
This one just doesn't look the best tho ;p
Supergiant just didn't put a whole lot of cast synergy with other gods besides artemis......
dusk plume
Finally ran into Eurydice, but no nectar to get the acorn 
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/668514988888948746/unknown.png? dudududu @fallow niche weird build you say? xdd
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/668520298953441290/unknown.png I want them all fml 😢 Halp
fallow niche
Take fates choice just to get them all done
silver island
^
lusty cloud
That's how it works ? Thought the prophecy things were like, some advices .-.
novel python
Nope, you get rewards if you finish them all
Spread vs Infinity chamber? Eris aspect
limpid tapir
I'd say spread, potentially super high damage at close range
Higher than Infinity, afaik?
lament coral
Infinity for Zeus, spread for anything else
novel python
Alright 200 hp, no DDs in styx. 2 more corridors to go through, should I risk it and hope I get a DD? Went through 3 athena boons ( 2 of them being elites ), still she gave me no DD
lyric yarrow
In Asphodel the Spreaders spawn over the lava seas and stay there, is that ..on purpose? With the sword you cant really attack when youhave spent all you casts.. it was a weird situation. I mean after a while they would move to the side, but still not close enough for a normal hit, maybe for the special idk... i died, obviously.
novel python
What do you mean over the lava seas? If they stay in lava they take damage too, just like you
lyric yarrow
well no they didnt
they just camped over the lava seas 😄
i mean yeah, i took damage, i tried to get there, obviously i died
Might be a bug?
It also looks like they were gathering there.. and the didnt take damage, i know how other enemies take damage when you push them out or something... but this time.. no damage...
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/668532727699734548/unknown.png? is it worth gutting myself for a couple of rooms to get more attack?
Nemesis sword
lyric yarrow
i think the 2nd epic is absolutely worth it
my problem the chaos boons is this: they spawn in such way that the 4 encounters are not over in time for, lets say the hydra... so i have to fight the hydra with taking damage when using a special
and i "wanted" to fight the hydra with a chaos boon in effect
but thats probably just me not getting one before asphodel?
in hades you really learn the hard way
Also playing hades is really exhausting... its not like diablo where you just click and play and level up
Its demanding
I am sweating
solid cairn
What is the max % damage reduction possible
We have zag shields Achilles keepsake, aphro and Athena damage reduction, positive outlook
lament coral
Aphro, Athena, and Dio can be leveled up, too
solid cairn
That complicates things
lament coral
how does it stack is the real question
solid cairn
I’d assume additive
lament coral
if it's additive, you could reach 100%
solid cairn
Like crit Chance
The huge damage reduction from the front wouldn’t get as useful on shield because of block
lament coral
15 + 40 + 15 + 15 + 20 = 105%
solid cairn
Can you get all 3 of those boons to max rarity in a single game
novel python
Get those boons epic, get to eury, pick the first option
lament coral
that too
solid cairn
But that only upgrades 2
lament coral
just see which is better, rarity or level
lament coral
I believe an epic Positive outlook lvl 2 is only a 2% increase over lvl 1
solid cairn
How does that work with damage over time
Is the poison damaged reduced if the poison thing hits you from the front
novel python
it's 1 per second, not sure if you can reduce that
lament coral
I don't believe poison is affected by anything aside from invuln
solid cairn
Can’t wait until cheat engine tables for this game come out
So people can test this stuff
fallow niche
Oh god I just got Zeus's legendary boon in tartarus
game over man game over
hades im comin for that booty
THANATOS NO
MY TIME
wheat fox
top 10 anime betrayals
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/668545541881462814/unknown.png Exposed? I wouldn't really take the duo since my only deflect is the cast
gloomy scroll
I mean the duo just helps with surviving generally imo if you're trying to clear a heat you haven't done before
novel python
It's heat 6, most likely won't really die
Apart from rail which I can't play with even on 3 heat
gloomy scroll
expose is good, but it doesn't get progress to legendary boon. if you're trying to use it for extra dps you need to have a lot of uptime on deflect
rugged estuary
@final fox Maybe you can help me with this: Is aphrodites "weak enemies take extra damage" multiplicative with your own damage increases, or additive?
final fox
Pretty sure it's additive
rugged estuary
Thank you 🙂
turbid arch
I don't think we have a lot of multiplicative damage increases in the game these days.
muted needle
Pretty much all damage increases (minus crit) are additive.
Damage decreases are multiplicative.
lament coral
that a fact?
cause we were talking about stacking damage res earlier, unsure how it works
fallow elk
Hi Boys, wanna ask, how i can upgrade weapons? Im so useless xDDD
rugged estuary
Another question while we're talking mechanics: How exactly does poison work? Does each stack have it's own duration, or will a new poison "refresh" old ones, and only the latest poison will run out?
stray frigate
and all weapon unlocked
stray frigate
@fallow elk when u unlock all weapon and make 1 run
u should have access to Aspects and unlocking/upgrading them
fallow elk
where i should get acces?
fallow elk
okay
fallow elk
yeah in shield, and firecanon
fallow elk
i cant see it in everyone
stray frigate
fallow elk
i dont see any purple sphere then
stray frigate
when did u unlock last weapon?
fallow elk
like 30 minutes before
stray frigate
have u done any run with rail?
fallow elk
yep, i killed my self cuz i hate range weapons but yes xdDDD
fallow elk
nothing more, i had a "time offer" that i could pick +20% darkness with firecanon
stray frigate
1 weapon always has this buff
fallow elk
i had it on 2
fallow elk
thats nice
stray frigate
idk as far as i know there are 2 conditions