h1-builds-and-combat

[solid cairn]

Rip Zag is like a ranged nemesis

[stray frigate]

10%

on AA

[solid cairn]

lol

[stray frigate]

u cant have

AA on bow

as damage source

[solid cairn]

I can’t have what?

[stray frigate]

it way way way way slower

u can fire 3-4 arrows

and sword can make 10-15 hits in same time

and Chiron just great

u take poison or doom on Special

and take weak on attack

100% priv status

and thats all

and u 100% want hammer upgrade for more arrows

and Hermes for special speed

cus u cant cancel special animation with bow

[solid cairn]

Isn’t Chiron a little weak at high heat

[stray frigate]

idk i do not play high heat

[stuck bough]

what is recommended pact of punishment setting for 32heat(normal)

[stray frigate]

but i can say it has pretty slow

@stuck bough u had 2 answers

@solid cairn Chiron is great to burst 1 target

but for room with lots of enemy is kinda weak

so u cant clear rooms fast

no tight deadline so

[solid cairn]

So falls off with jury summons and a lot of enemy buffs

[stray frigate]

even 9:00

[stuck bough]

The question I said before was for a build lol, not the pact

@stray frigate

[stray frigate]

oh sorry

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663020263637516291/663020294537084939/Pact.png

that was one guy did

[stuck bough]

Aight thanks

[stray frigate]

he played chaos with poison Q too

@solid cairn u just try it

it was 1st weapon allowed me to kill extreme hydra without losing dd

[serene nexus]

If I remember correctly, isn’t there a line that tells you to give the heat gauge a break?

If you overload it with heat

[stray frigate]

where?

[solid cairn]

I wonder if 45 heat would be possible if someone was really really dedicated to it

It would be absolutely legendary

[fallow niche]

Seems like it would require perfect RNG

[solid cairn]

I’ve seen hardest difficulty challenges in games that seem like they would be harder

I think if someone grinded 45 heat for months they would eventually do it

If they don’t suffer from extreme burnout

[stray frigate]

well iirc there is some seeder run for wr

with good random

so it may be used for 45 heat too

[solid cairn]

Even without the rng

It would still be very very hard

[fallow niche]

Support Fire only creates 1 arrow per entire bow special right?

[stray frigate]

yes

[fallow niche]

Yikes

[stray frigate]

no Chiron fun)

[drifting briar]

Hi guys, when and how do I actually go about unlocking companions? (Some debatably spoilers following based on my gameplay/progression)
I've :
||Sisyphus and Thanatos 6 Nectar each for example and now I'm at a heart with a lock on it in my Codex...similarly so with Orpheus.||
And,
||I have plenty of Ambrosia lined for 'em, but never get the query to be able to give them any.||

[stray frigate]

@drifting briar orpheus cant

only Sisiphus, Skelly, Tomatos and Meg

first of all u have to gift them maximum nectars

after that u just have to make some conditions

also it's ok for spoilers here

only channel is spoiler free is disscussion

so u keep playin

keep talkin

[drifting briar]

oh, okay. :]

I see, I see

[stray frigate]

for Tomatos u must beat him sometimes in his encounters

for Sisi you must met Meg in his room punishing

[solid cairn]

Why is giving it to than so hard

[stray frigate]

and after all u may ask Sis about helping

[solid cairn]

Skelly is the easiest by far

[lusty gust]

Because you can romance him I believe

[stray frigate]

Bouldy is best imo

[lusty gust]

No easy way when talking about love

[solid cairn]

Rib may be better at higher heats but yeah

[drifting briar]

And um how do I find what those other conditions may be? On the wiki it says reach high level of trust then give Ambro...just keep talking to 'em during encounters, and give nectar whenever possible?

[solid cairn]

I pretty much convert all my ambrosia to blood

At this point

I have level 4 rib and level 5 Bouldy

[lusty gust]

Sometimes the conditions just appear to you out of nowhere

[stray frigate]

@drifting briar did u try to speak with Bouldy?

sounds stupid but i have story progress only after that

[drifting briar]

Giving six Nectar to various characters, then complete a quest for them. Companions can be acquired by giving Ambrosia.

[stray frigate]

yes

[drifting briar]

^from wiki

[stray frigate]

For skelly it's quest to make him free

[drifting briar]

hmm, sisphys has mentioned bouldyoften

[stray frigate]

kill him forever

[solid cairn]

You need to level the worst aspect though

[stray frigate]

for Than is just some winning

[drifting briar]

ohh I have a quest for skelly's trinket in my room

I think equip 5 heat min?

[stray frigate]

no

[drifting briar]

skelly trial?

[stray frigate]

it's another

[lusty gust]

For Thanatos you have to kill more than him

[solid cairn]

Skelly’s companion can be useful

It’s nice to have

But Bouldy being almost a full heal at lower heats is invaluable

[stray frigate]

and damage

and 90 coins

[solid cairn]

Yeah you don’t really need ambrosia past that

If you have it at 5

Unless you wanna save for future updates

[drifting briar]

ohh I have a Fated List entry to complete 'The Useless Trinket' - Earn first of Skelly's prizes

[stray frigate]

@drifting briar also for skelly prise you must get 8 heat not 5

[drifting briar]

o.o

so 8 heat on and enter an infernal room thing?

[stray frigate]

8 heat and beat the game

[solid cairn]

The max is 32 heat for last statue

Very very hard

[drifting briar]

oi, oh lord; I'll get there. >.<

[solid cairn]

Wait so do you have skelly’s companion or no

[drifting briar]

I do not

but I have that quest o.o

[stray frigate]

fated list has nothing about comp

[solid cairn]

Do you have the 10 Titan blood for all the elites quest

[stray frigate]

it's just someuseless thing

for quest he should Ask you to set him free

when you gift him enough nectar

and talk much

[solid cairn]

You really want the diamonds from Skelly’s for sisyphus quest

[drifting briar]

OH

Lmao I never talked directly to skelly lmao @solid cairn @stray frigate

no wonder I've exceed nectars with Sisy and Than

buit theres a lock

I never had the tooth

[solid cairn]

Give em to skelly

[drifting briar]

LOL

[solid cairn]

His companion is fine

[drifting briar]

I just did

[solid cairn]

You gotta give him a lot

And spoilers for his quest you ||need level 5 zag aspect for sword||

[azure atlas]

first time about to enter 3rd bosses chamber

wish me luck 🙂

[stray frigate]

finish the bull

[stable fossil]

Gl

@azure atlas didja die? It's been 11 minutes you either beat the game or died at this point lol

[stray frigate]

[fallen quarry]

ohhh heyyy, either this patch or sometime during it, bow was given dash attack damage!

[stray frigate]

?

[fallen quarry]

at least prior to the hell patch, dash attack damage wasn't doing anything for bow

[fallow niche]

Okay what the hell

My game crashed and now I lost my run

I know for a fact the game had saved it because I quit it earlier and came back

What's up with that? That was a great run :/

[lusty gust]

Was it in the middle of a fight?

[fallow niche]

Yeah

Game crashed on dusa miniboss

[lusty gust]

Then It couldnt save

[fallow niche]

Except it did earlier

I literally just said I had quit earlier to go eat and came back to it

Why didn't it load the last previous save?

[lusty gust]

Oh, ok

It didn't load to the same room then

[fallow niche]

No, it didn't load ANY of the run

It put me back at home

[lusty gust]

BRUH

[fallow niche]

Yeah

exactly

I lost that entire run

[lusty gust]

Yo thats sad

[fallow niche]

Was a busted run too 😭

[stray frigate]

that is sad?

Game once cancelled my run after i beat Hades

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fallow niche]

Oof

[lusty gust]

lmao

[fallow niche]

They need to fix that

That's real mean

[lusty gust]

Next patch might be mostly fixes

It's early access so be mindful

[fallow niche]

Maybe, that would be cool, I've run into my fair share of bugs

[lusty gust]

Until now I havent found any glitch yet

Just because I said it now I'm gonna find like a ton of bugs

WATCH

[stray frigate]

Feel you man@fallow niche

[fallow niche]

Yo what

Started a new run

First few boons and rooms are the same so far

[normal sleet]

yeah that happens

[fallow niche]

... Does it preload seeds?

The fates are real man wtf

I guess I can get my run back

This is weird

[stray frigate]

@fallow niche i had same

just same boons and same rooms

[fallow niche]

Nevermind its starting to be really different

[mild crag]

Did you click Give Up?

Sometimes it says Give Up instead of Quit

Oh wait it crashed

Yeah that makes you give up if it's during a fight

If you quit in a room before you take damage it saves

But if you take damage then it'll clear your run

To prevent people cheating

Also yes it reused the same seed

[lusty gust]

Your game made the decision by itself to quit for you

[mild crag]

But it's different eventually because the seed of the next room is calculated pseudo randomly

So unless you play exactly the same you'll deviate from your other run

[fallow niche]

Wait so its a cheat prevention method? I mean, its a singleplayer game, why do they care? It took away my run which sucks since I didn't want it to crash obviously

Also this run is way better at least

This is godmode rn

[lusty gust]

Because you're still cheating...?

Just because God of War is a single player game doesn't mean you can cheat

[mild crag]

There's always ways to cheat but

Making it as easy as oh I'll just quit out if I take damage

So I can try again

Is a bit ridiculous

Especially with pierced Butterfly

[unkempt pagoda]

might be unintended, but it's also a great way for speedrunners to find and practice seeds

[craggy zinc]

@mild crag

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.

You didn't grow.

You didn't improve.

You took a shortcut and gained nothing.

You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.

It's sad you don't know the difference.

[unkempt pagoda]

yikes

let's try not to be condescending to other people please

[polar mesa]

I htink ive found a consistent bug

posiedon call. it doesnt let me change d irection

its not like that everytime, but someimtes it just bugs out it seems and just sends ytou one way

[unkempt pagoda]

sounds like a bug, did you report it?

[azure atlas]

you have to use your mouse for direction with posiedon

[unkempt pagoda]

i remember there was(is?) a bug where, if you had poseidon's call active during a death defy animation, you'd zoom off in one direction while everything was slow

[polar mesa]

i havent reported it wasnt sure how thats why i came here

[unkempt pagoda]

ah, there's an in-game bug reporter when you press f10

[polar mesa]

pretty sure my mouse has been the correct way but ill double check

oh ok didnt know

[unkempt pagoda]

👍

[polar mesa]

also someone was talking about skelyl quest earlier . i still havent been able to trigger it

ive unlocked the first statue and the other companions

[unkempt pagoda]

i thought poseidon's call was movable with WASD but i don't remember

[polar mesa]

it is moveqable with WASD im sure

but maybe mouse effects also ill check

[unkempt pagoda]

did you get skelly up to his max nectar and unlock aspects?

[polar mesa]

yup

level 5 on the sword

level 5 on everything

[unkempt pagoda]

then it's just a matter of waiting for the game to give you the conversation

[polar mesa]

.........im on run 100

lol

[stray frigate]

@polar mesa there will be some line about that

[polar mesa]

i was trying to beat it on 16 heat thinking that would do it

after uinlocking the next statue or something

ive beaten it on 9 heat with all weapons so far and working my way up

i have everything else unlocked

[stray frigate]

about 100 run

[polar mesa]

yea hypnos said youve died 100 times

[unkempt pagoda]

i haven't seen any mention of bugs surrounding the quest, so i'm not sure

guess skelly's just being a bit coy

[polar mesa]

😦

[stray frigate]

u maxed his hearts?

[polar mesa]

does really matter cause im not really gonna use it. just want it done

yea ive maxed all NPCs

including max ambrosia for the others

[stray frigate]

madman

[polar mesa]

well gonna try heat 16 one more time. gotten hades to 5% hp twice

[stray frigate]

Got Charged shot on my Chaos shield

NOW it's definitely Chiron with better defence

http://prntscr.com/qpcb08

my shield is bugged

[lusty gust]

That looks really cool tbh

Some kind of weapon drop

[stray frigate]

also this red line is moving

like red ray from eye in the sky

[untold quiver]

Yeah charged shot on Chaos is sweet bulletnshot then tossing five shields

[mild crag]

@craggy zinc is this a quote I didn't get

[craggy zinc]

It's a copypasta meme. It was a very serious Twitter response to an article about a guy doing Sekiro's final boss with cheats. The tweet blew up because of how silly it was.

[mild crag]

lol

[south comet]

Try not to dodge the swear filter please!

[azure atlas]

this is a VERY easy

lol

[azure atlas]

4 bosses first try dead

OK

[solid cairn]

idk why guys but I have to push myself to play this game but when I start I can't stop

[lusty gust]

I instantly got addicted to the game

[solid cairn]

I haven’t been playing

For no reason

[lusty gust]

I start my computer and my game is already running in the blink of an eye

[solid cairn]

I mean I love the game

[lusty gust]

I mean, sometimes you just want something new

Playing the same game over and over is truly boring and tiresome

[solid cairn]

But like

It’s not that I’m playing something else either

[craggy zinc]

I’m kind of waiting for the update to start playing again

[solid cairn]

You should do a pre-update grind

[grizzled tusk]

Alright I really don't like the sword

Any advice for a good sword run?

/boons and stuff to go for as well

[turbid needle]

Dash like a mad lad

[reef galleon]

the only time I liked my runs with the sword is when I had ares \ dionysus boon and just spammed dash attack on everybody for the first couple of seconds and then got out the way to just wait till everyone dies from the effects

bc i'm not a fan of almost any base movesets in this game, unfortunately, and the dash attack with passive damage effects kinda eliminated the need to do any other moves

[winter roost]

i agree movment speed isnt the most important stat in the game. but the sword has other versions without it as priority and personally i find even base sword fun. so i dunno

[reef galleon]

the other related thing I noticed is that I generally try to choose things based on how much they reduce the need to button mash, though I guess that's just plain logic.

[stuck bough]

oof barge of death is ROUGH in 32 heat

those void stones

[fallen quarry]

which weapon are you using?

[potent wedge]

Just need to vent as i've just spend the last minute trying to hit a snake statue with the sword, it's currently floating in the middle of the room

[fallen quarry]

yeah, it's pretty obnoxious sometimes

[woeful stirrup]

Specialing/Casting was not enough to move it back a bit?

[stuck bough]

putting 32 heat on hold for now lol, been on it for a couple of hours good lord

[crisp iris]

My completionist brain is telling me to just grind one heat at atine

AHHH

[mild crag]

Just do 32 runs at 32 heat and you'll get them all

[lament coral]

if only

that would've been the dream tbh

[spiral yew]

what's the point on starting a new game in hell mode ?

if the pact is already available in my first save

[crimson geyser]

none, seemingly. unless you specifically want to not have any brief period of invulnerability after you take too much damage too quickly

[woeful stirrup]

There's one more pact item, that removes your invulnerability time when you get hit too much. Other than that, not much of a point. And I guess they can't really put any story stuff exclusive to there, since everybody should be able to go through the story.

[lament coral]

some of Pact's conditions cannot be turned off

enemies deal more damage, have more HP, your mirror is capped at 2500

[crimson geyser]

they could eventually have extra dialogue but yeah, it should be narratively inconsequential

[lament coral]

you also lose out on 4 heat levels worth of bounties on Hell, so your meta progress is delayed

[crimson geyser]

yeah it just seems pretty ..bad right now ngl lol

i'm assuming they're going to rework it

probably for this update

we'll see i suppose

might not be a super high priority

[lament coral]

that's 20 runs total, so you'd be missing 40 bloods and 20 diamonds/ambrosias

[crimson geyser]

but nobody really seems to like it

[lament coral]

I started on hell because with the assumption that I wouldn't be losing out on anything

but not having access to those early hear bounties really bums me out

[crimson geyser]

yeah 😦

[lament coral]

not to mention the bloody 2500 darkness mirror cap strangling my balls every run

[crimson geyser]

yo i feel like the gameplay channel might actually appreciate my recent build moreso, copypasta from discussion:

just had one of the most interesting builds i can think of. hera bow with 7 bloodstones thanks to artemis legendary and chaos, and double cast thanks to artemis, and support fire also thanks to artemis of course, plus i had triple shot hammer upgrade. so each time i fired, i would fire three arrows, from that two support arrows and 7*2 cast arrows would fire, and from those 7 more support arrows would fire. so each shot would eventually generate 26 projectiles, most of which would be slithering around the room on a long path, devouring enemies like a snake or, if other arrows destroyed them first, then moving through to the next enemy
and at one point i had 9 casts thanks to multiple wells lol, so that should bump it up to... 33 projectiles?
the only thing i reaally wish i'd had was hermes flurry cast
i had to press B so many times lol

[lament coral]

so your extra arrows also carried bloodstones?

[crimson geyser]

nope only the middle arrow carried the bloodstones, far as i saw

[lament coral]

I thought only the middle arrow would carry em

[crimson geyser]

but the other two arrows spawned support fire arrows still i'm pretty sure

[lament coral]

really? Doesn't SF spawn when you press a button

[crimson geyser]

but each bloodstone fired two cast arrows + 1 support fire arrow

[lament coral]

since you press once to fire 3 arrows, you should only shoot 1 SF arrow

[crimson geyser]

nah they like spawn wherever the arrows landed

hmmm

well

you might be right

i may not have paid close enough attention to that detail

[lament coral]

because with Chiron, you only get 1 SF arrow for each special arrow hit

[crimson geyser]

ah yeah

but, at the very least, it's not just for button presses, because every cast loaded into a hera shot generates a separate one

[lament coral]

you might be thinking of rail, it shoots fast so lots of SF arrows go out

[crimson geyser]

and they originate from where the casts proc

i mean this is a run i just had, there were definitely a ton of arrows, maybe just 2 fewer than i though

thought*

[lament coral]

cool

[crimson geyser]

it was wild! seemed like its own entity almost

[lament coral]

did you encounter the bloodstone bug where you had more bloodstones on the ground than you actually have?

[crimson geyser]

sperading and slithering around like tendrils

hmm not that i noticed?

what causes that?

[lament coral]

yeah, there's a Hera related bug that causes your bloodstones to despawn, but then picking one of em out of a dead enemy refills all of your cast ammo

so you could have full cast ammo and there'd still be casts on the ground

[crimson geyser]

oh, huhh

weird!

i never noticed anything like that during that run

[lament coral]

I only did 1 Hera run but it happened reliably, so I decided to stick with Chiron for the time being

[crimson geyser]

they're both good for sure

bow isn't my favorite playstyle wise, but it's still damn fun and both of the aspects are interesting enough imo

[lament coral]

I just like Chiron for reliability, especially after discovering Artemis special

[crimson geyser]

i like to follow Dark Thirst still, and switch off to whichever aspect i didn't use last time for that weapon

[lament coral]

no need for status stacking, just crit em

[crimson geyser]

intereresting, does each arrow in the special have its own crit chance?

[lament coral]

each projectile, yep

[crimson geyser]

coooool

one thing i found to be kinda cool about the blitz disc shield is that, if you get a critical hit, and/or a ..what's it called, Ares' boon where the next attack after you kill an enemy is +200% damage, or stuff like that on the blitz disc, then it seems that every time it procs it maintains that damage boost until you collect the disc again

[lament coral]

Urge to Kill

[crimson geyser]

😁

interesting to try to really make use of that strategy-wise

[lament coral]

oh no, Battle Rage

[crimson geyser]

get a +300% damage blitz disc out there and just kite enemies through it haha

err 300%, not +300% lol

[lament coral]

Urge buffs attack, cast, and special damage

[crimson geyser]

ah yeah

[lament coral]

I don't like blitz, too much work

[crimson geyser]

it's different

i like it but it's certainly not the most efficient or anything

just an interesting change of pace

and you can do stuff with it that you can't do with anything else

[lament coral]

it seems unviable if you have Forced Overtime maxed out

enemies will just run past it

and good luck using it on bosses

[crimson geyser]

i feel like what would maybe be cooler for Zeus aspect upgrade might be, instead of upping raw damage on blitz disc proc, increase the rate at which blitz disc procs

[lament coral]

I actually though it would've been cooler if the final aspect level had an added bonus, for example, blitz disc's floating speed would go up and it'd home on enemies

[crimson geyser]

oohh yeah!

what could some of the other final aspect level bonuses be?

Chaos aspect.... each thrown shield has a small chance to split into two projectiles on collision lol

[lament coral]

Chaos might be better served with getting an extra shield if an enemy is killed by the special

[crimson geyser]

oh yeah!

good one

[icy edge]

Hold onto that, pitch it in feedback

[lament coral]

Eris rail could cause an explosion around you if you kill an enemy while affected by Eris' special buff

[crimson geyser]

spear aspect where you dash to spear... maybe you dash to the spear, then back to where you started, then back again to where the spear landed. at least one guaranteed backstab pretty much

[lament coral]

the explosion being special's effect, causing you to get buffed again

[crimson geyser]

and would probably look cool haha

[lament coral]

I actually though about Achilles spear procing your spin attack when you use the special effect

[crimson geyser]

ooh nice, i'd be down with that eris idea too, might be a bit OP if it reset the clock every time but i do like the idea. maybe to compensate the total duration could be reduced a bit?

[lament coral]

max spin, that is

so you'd dash toward the spear and instantly do a max spin

[crimson geyser]

when you use your special.. oh like when you dash to it you dash doing a big AoE spin?

[lament coral]

yep

[crimson geyser]

ooohh. i'd be down for that too

cool ideas!! haha

hmmmm

stygius poseidon aspect... idk get one more bloodstone? that's probably too lame compared to these other ideas lol

stygius ..other aspect lol, increased duration of crit chance after special? also sounds kinda lame compared to these

[lament coral]

Poseidon sword, if you kill an enemy using your special, it causes all bloodstones that were in them to proc and fly towards the nearest enemy

basically, it makes you wanna combine cast and special

[crimson geyser]

haha that sounds cool! i can imagine certain situations where it might not be ideal, but i'd take it for the pure fun of it for sure, and it probably would usually be super useful

[lament coral]

instead of just spamming Artemis cast

[crimson geyser]

the other rail aspect could be ..instantly reload clip if you kill the enemy with your empowered shot?

and of course get the empowered shot again on reload

also how about getting the empowered shot on that automatic reload that happens after the end of a clip eh

i kinda feel like that would be cool even not just on the final upgrade level

[lament coral]

I like reload on Hestia shot kill better

since you usually spam reload when playing Hestia

[crimson geyser]

yeah

i don't play that one ...basically ever

[lament coral]

so reload on Hestia shot would save you the hassle of manually reloading after each shot

yeah, same

Hera bow, your cast returns automatically if you kill an enemy with your loaded arrow

[crimson geyser]

hmmm

what if you have lightning rods tho? and also then hermes would have a redundant legendary

[lament coral]

hm, fair enough

[crimson geyser]

would still be cool, but hmmm

[lament coral]

though I think lightning rods is bad

[crimson geyser]

it's definitely very unique, i've made quite good use of it before though

[lament coral]

the problem with it is that you need to have a bad cast so you'd let your shards just sit there

[crimson geyser]

you have to play it verrrry safe, like substantially uncharacteristic to how Hades is usually played lol

[lament coral]

and then you also need to have a lot of shards on hand to make the damage perceptible, and keep the enemy near them without picking em up

too much work for little gain

[crimson geyser]

but it's helped me win dynamic duo and final boss fights when i had real legit concerns of dying

hmm

hmmmmm

what about

hera bow final aspect upgrade is only one bloodstone lodges in enemy at a time

wait no that makes dislodge damage way worse

well

unless

it just immediately dislodges

[lament coral]

yeah, exactly!

[crimson geyser]

all bloodstones in excess of 1 dislodge immediately

[lament coral]

yep, there it is

[crimson geyser]

that would be dank

😁

[lament coral]

instant kill with Artemis dislodge

[crimson geyser]

we could make some real cool builds with these

i guess in theory we could make it happen with modding too lol, some of these would probably be pretty tough to implement

[lament coral]

Chiron bow, killing a marked enemy with your special causes a nearby enemy to get marked and any excess special arrows to fly towards em

[crimson geyser]

i like it!

would the countdown timer reset once the new enemy is marked, or just run out its original duration?

[lament coral]

full duration, as if you marked em yourself

so you could keep killing without reapplying the mark

[crimson geyser]

haha i like it, might be OP but we'd have to see, sounds fun either way

[lament coral]

Hades spear, using attack/special on enemies marked by the sweep creates an AOE wave around the marked enemy that deals a % of the attack/special damage they took to nearby enemies

the wave would be similar to what Hades uses in his fight

so if you perform a sweep in a tight room with a lot of enemies and then do another sweep for big damage, they'd all explode

kinda likes vases explode in Hades fight

big badaboom

[crimson geyser]

ooh that does make me think, maybe the final upgrade for the crit-chance-after-special sword could send out a final-boss-esque or mm-skullcrusher-esque shockwave that does special damage and applies special effect

not really directly related to the main aspect effect but.. . idk.. both centered around using special i guess

[lament coral]

Nemesis sword?

[crimson geyser]

yeah hahaha

[lament coral]

it's named after Nemesis though

[crimson geyser]

i jsut forget a lot of the names still lol

[lament coral]

that's the AOE wave I was talking about for Hades spear

[crimson geyser]

yeah totally, just made me think of how it could apply to the sword since i didn't really like my original idea for nemesis aspect final upgrade bonus haha

i think the spear shockwaves idea is cool too for sure

i'm curious to try and think of an alternative to either one of those shockwave-based ideas just for the sake of diversity

lol this is too much fun

i guess we also have all the zagreus aspects O_O

👀

[lament coral]

since Nemesis is focused on attack, perhaps the final upgrade should refresh the crit buff if you kill an enemy with an attack while under the buff's effect

as for Zag aspects, I dunno

they seem really lame on their own

[crimson geyser]

ah yeah, a lot of refreshing effect on kill ideas, but i really do think that's a solid concept and would not mind having it in all these cases haha

[lament coral]

like, 30% movement speed? What's there to work with?

[crimson geyser]

lol yeah that is definitely pretty horrible

which is whyyyy a max level bonus could make it actually interesting!

[lament coral]

but it'd have to tie into movement speed

[crimson geyser]

yeah somehow

or maybe just speed

like

max level bonus you also get increased attack speed or somethin?

[lament coral]

your attack, special, and cast are 15% faster?

[crimson geyser]

maybe not by 30% lol but... i mean, maybe haha

yeah that sounds reasonable to me

[lament coral]

it's lame, just like the Zag aspect

eh

[crimson geyser]

haha

but

not AS lame as just a move speed boost

[lament coral]

sure

[crimson geyser]

you could make good use of this bit at least

[lament coral]

you'd still wouldn't take Zag though

[crimson geyser]

lol yeah......

probablynot

[lament coral]

they just need to be reworked

[crimson geyser]

yeah

i'm curious to see how the SG team handles all that

[lament coral]

I don't think they will

[crimson geyser]

really?

i've heard plenty of complaints about the same concern

i wouldn't be surprised if they gave some of the lamer aspects some kind of makeover

[lament coral]

I was watching Haelian's older vids to see what the game was like in previous patches, and while they've done some work, I don't think they're gonna rebalance base aspects, aka Zag's

they want them to be lame

[crimson geyser]

sure yeah, fair enough, they should be more basic than the others

the move speed though is realllyyy..... not great tho

i wouldn't be surprised if they at least change that one

[lament coral]

it bothers me that there are hammer upgrades that override aspects

[crimson geyser]

yeah

for sure

the rail zag aspect also pretty much needs to change IMO

to faster fire rate, at least

[lament coral]

it's the equivalent of throwing up a white flag

"yes, we know those aspects/mechanics blow, so here's a random upgrade that fixes em"

[crimson geyser]

i've definitely taken hammer upgrades worthless to my build just because everything else itw as offering would actively hurt my build though

yeah unlimited ammo on zag aspect rail lol

[lament coral]

I've also take hammers that remove my aspect, like taking Flurry with Hades spear, simply because auto attack was better than doing the sweep

[crimson geyser]

yeah i think i have too

though i later found that i really like that sweep aspect

[icy edge]

Yall crazy, the sweep makes spear playable

[crimson geyser]

depends on your build i suppose

[lament coral]

really? Cause in my experience, Artemis special with explosive spear is what makes it playable

[crimson geyser]

eh i always thought the sweep was hard to pull off, only after i realized you can dash with it, and also thought of charging up a sweep while enemies are spawning lol, now it's good

huh i like spear regardless

i think both aspects are fun and different

[icy edge]

Special spear is letting the bad guys win

just too mindless

[lament coral]

ah, there it is

"it's good and functional, so it's bad"

[crimson geyser]

😕

[icy edge]

That's why we get 6 weapons

[crimson geyser]

i love how differently people can feel about the different options in this game, i'm always really surprised to hear others' opinions

speaks highly to the balance and diversity of mechanics imo

[icy edge]

Yep

[crimson geyser]

and also makes me want to try more different stuff

[lament coral]

I guess

I saw people swear by blitz disc being good at max level, yet my Chaos runs are faster and smoother than any of my blitz runs

[crimson geyser]

the dash-to aspect (achilles?) for spear plus the hammer upgrade where the spear bounces around is...chaotic, but fun haha

yeah i was a big fan of blitz before i really got into chaos, but i've now accepted that chaos aspect is just damn good

probably to the point where i wouldn't be surprised if they did something to nerf it

[lament coral]

it just lands you where you might not wanna be, like in front of a trap

I learned that lesson real quick

[icy edge]

People say shield is easy

[lament coral]

and stopped using Achilles entirely

[icy edge]

And yes, it is highly safe and defensive

But you still need to deal damage, and every mistake is punished

[lament coral]

punished how? You just hold block

[crimson geyser]

i bet a lot of what we find easy and hard, aside from being just a highly personal thing like a lot of feelings about Hades mechanics are, is just the difference between how it is to play with controller vs. keyboard and mouse

[icy edge]

People say spear is easy

And yes, you don't really need to care about anything than spamming special... but RNG demolishes you on spear, and you have to adapt

[crimson geyser]

how does rng demolish on spear?

[lament coral]

not being able to attack while the special is in use is supposed to balance out the damage but it doesn't, since you can force the main shield to return quickly by releasing the special at point blank

[icy edge]

You dont get anything good on hammers

[crimson geyser]

hmmm

[lament coral]

you don't need good hammers for Zag spear

[old perch]

uh the one that makes it bounce?

[lament coral]

any thing on special, aside from armor damage

[crimson geyser]

daaaaaaang why is it 3am

[lament coral]

no, Zag spear makes you special faster and fly farther

[icy edge]

And bomb bros/elysium spearmen punish shield the most

bombs hit from behind

Spear boys move to attack behind you

[lament coral]

bounce, explosive, and backstab specials are all game winning

[old perch]

yah, there's a hammer that makes the spear bounce. that's pretty good with zag spear

[lament coral]

all you need is Artemis special and strong fingers

and a resilient right click

you just Bull Rush through everything

and anything you can't rush through, you dash

[crimson geyser]

i thought right click was cast for kbm?

[lament coral]

oh yes, mine is switched

[crimson geyser]

ah yeah, makes sense

[lament coral]

makes playing much easier

[crimson geyser]

i can imagine

[lament coral]

Q on cast and right click for special

[crimson geyser]

i can see it either way really

would have to depend on my build personally

[icy edge]

Put traps on max dmg and its clear why mindless rushing is bad

I mean

[crimson geyser]

i loved in transistor how you could just put any ability on any input lol

[icy edge]

shield on high heat is way harder than spear on high heat

[lament coral]

nah, cast has limited ammo and is not spammed most of the time, unlike special, which you wanna have on quick call at all times

just don't rush into traps

it's pretty easy everywhere, except for Asphodel, where the map is a trap

[crimson geyser]

i mean it's not entirely uncommon for me to have a build where i'm completely ignoring special

like my bow run i described a bit earlier, i was not using my special then really at all

[lament coral]

fair enough

[old perch]

i always use chiron bow so special all the way

[crimson geyser]

valid

chiron bow is pretty dank, i like to switch back and forth to keep things fresh and had an insane hera run this eve

~25 ish projectiles generated per attack

spreading and slithering around the room autonomously like tendrils of deathhhh lol

[old perch]

haven't bought hera yet, only aspects i've maxed out so far are chaos shield and chiron bow. and zag sword for skelly quest. chiron bow is so sick with poison

or doom with doom stacking boon

[crimson geyser]

yeah

[lament coral]

try Artemis special with Chiron

you'll never want for anything else on it

[crimson geyser]

chiron bow + poison is like, almost the too-clear choice lol. same with the rail kinda

interesting though zepp

i'll try that next time

[lament coral]

no need for all the status trash, just crit em till they drop

[crimson geyser]

this eve i also did a rail run with 18 ammo, faster fire speed, another hermes +attack speed, so i could basically just lay down a ton of procs at once

but i was like poison seems too obvious here... so i went with zeus instead

poison probably would have still been better

but it was cool to proc so many lighting effects

ayyyyy aight i'm off to bed! gnight y'all that was fun coming up with aspect bonuses haha 💜

[lament coral]

has anyone suggested to have companion summoning speed increased?

[harsh epoch]

Okay, so I've been playing for a bit. I used a full power Aphrodite's Call on last hp bar hydra and it killed instantly. Is that intentional? Was it because of the charm or is the call damage just that huge?

[karmic ginkgo]

hey so like
blackout nasty

[pastel jolt]

"last hp bar hydra"? so, like, it was in the last phase?

[lament coral]

a fully charged Aphro call does 2500 damage to the target

says so in the description, not that anyone reads that stuff

[harsh epoch]

Yeah last phase. Boy that's a lot of damage. Thanks!

[pure junco]

Artemis still better haha

What am I talking about haha, even max god gauge all crits is 2600 dmg, I still prefer Artemis though.

[lament coral]

Aphro's call is really weird, its levels increase Charm duration instead of max call damage

and charm is straight up trash

at least Arty's call scales

also, Arty's call pierces unlike Aphro's, which can be blocked by any shieldbearer

[pure junco]

Charm is trash but the dmg is very good.

[royal coral]

Charm is decent against the last Boss (no spoiler) 😉 , because he has some attacks which can mid-animation or After animation get canceled with charm

[wise cypress]

Not the feedback channel, but whoever thought of the idea for the Hera bow is a god

I dislike the bow, but the Hera bow is so ridiculously fun to use

I don't know if I'll use any of the other aspects again after that last run

[stray frigate]

Chiron is better)

[old perch]

how does sure footing stack with the trap damage heat? if you get 75% resist is it now 325% trap damage?

[stray frigate]

looks like

[woeful stirrup]

I think I remember someone saying it was multiplicative, not additive. Meaning it'd be 100%, not 325%.

(and making sure footing amazing against trap damage at high heat levels)

[stray frigate]

it can easily be checked

[royal coral]

I Think @woeful stirrup is right in this case...

[viral fossil]

https://imgur.com/a/Hcg3WRJ

[formal basin]

I only did it at really low heat (4), but I stacked damage resist on Zagreus Shield and myrmidon bracer, with Festive fog + scintillating feast + Dionysus call. To take down Hades I just stuck myself in the corner, laid down the fog, hit him to get weak on there, and blocked. If I got hit, I was taking like 6 damage.

It was slow, but it worked surprisingly well.

[stray frigate]

dashes

[formal basin]

Yeah, dashes are great and all, but if there's more than one viable way of doing things, that's more interesting.

[naive cobalt]

With most weapons, I would take special speed over dashes always

Exception being the adamant rail

[lament coral]

really? 5 dashes is enough to dash circles around Hades non-stop, and faster rail special means more boom, and boom is always good, unless you took Poseidon's special in which case good luck hitting anything with consecutive shots

[wind ether]

Fun thing... If you have Ares' aid and turn into a blade rift and while you are a blade rift you summon skelly.
You can just see Zagreus standing and you still do damage as a blade rift

[stray frigate]

mb u should it

[turbid arch]

DAMNATION!

They closed the feedback tab even though I wanted to submit a Keepsake idea

Not even a novel one, but it would have been an amazing addition to the game.

[stray frigate]

@turbid arch just wait 4-5 days

[haughty nacelle]

Hi guys, where can I spend those titan blood things? I can't find it anywhere and it doesn't say on the wiki either

[wind ether]

@haughty nacelle to upgrade weapons

[haughty nacelle]

Well yes thats what it says, but IDK where

[stray frigate]

@haughty nacelle unlock all weapon

and make 1 run

and u will see

[haughty nacelle]

Aah okay

I only have 4 unlocked atm

[stray frigate]

@turbid needle grats]

@haughty nacelle just dont waste it

u cant have it back

[haughty nacelle]

The titan blood?

[stray frigate]

y

[haughty nacelle]

Oh that sucks that it's limited, thanks for the headsup man

[stray frigate]

it's not limited

u can have it more

later

but alas it's not easy to earn

so u better upgrade weapon u need first

instead of wasting it on Zag rail like i did(

[haughty nacelle]

Haha I like all the weapons except the sword so far

The spear wasn't very good for me at first but it's great for bosses

[stray frigate]

@haughty nacelle i dont want to spoile

But u will have much more variants

for wasting ur blood

[haughty nacelle]

Sounds good

[stray frigate]

for ur weapon

[wind ether]

My most used is the sword

[stray frigate]

Sword and Spear are worst 4 me

sword is ok....

[haughty nacelle]

So far I'm best with the bow but I like the shield the most

[stray frigate]

but rail shield and bow are just better

and spear is just awful for me

also my highest heat lvl is rail and bow

12-13

now i start to lvlup Heat for shield

[haughty nacelle]

I need like 3 more keys for the gun looking thing

[stray frigate]

rail was my 1st win

not rail actually

but Hunting blades

buuuut there was rail also

[fallow niche]

So I found a way to get a Zeus bolt on all of my Chrion special arrows... But its incredibly inconsistent

The Poseidon Zeus duo does seem to work on it as enemies instantly die, but on some enemies it appears as if no bolts get called down

Real weird

[stray frigate]

i dont get it

[turbid arch]

@stray frigate Ain't nobody got time fo' that!

[stray frigate]

for what?

[turbid arch]

Waiting.

Also, taking notes. Which I need to do in order to not forget the idea.

[stray frigate]

aaand... there is no sense for your feedback anyway for now

we can discuss it here anyway

and remind you later

[teal laurel]

man im getting burned out of the game

[stray frigate]

to make post

[teal laurel]

when will i get my ending

[turbid arch]

It's really not a groundbreaking idea anyway. Just adding a keepsake that turns money you earn from finishing monsters and/or room rewards into extra damage.

Something like a rate of 100 coins earned = 5% extra, but you don't earn the money.

Would create for a nice keepsake that allows for runs in the style of Thanatos' or Hermes Keepsakes

[solid cairn]

I really really really hate the chariot room with sword

[turbid arch]

I just hate Chariots in general.

[solid cairn]

also the room with the armored shield guys is just a nightmare

[teal laurel]

i hate shield bros

[stray frigate]

i see nothing cool in that esp with some chaos boon for money

it should be too op

[turbid arch]

Numbers can be tweaked easily.

[teal laurel]

i just want easier darkness farming

[turbid arch]

If we assume that you earn 3000 Obols over the course of a run, which is moore than generous, that would come down to ^150% extra damage

for which you would give up on 4 other keepsakes and the ability to ever use shops and/or wells

[stray frigate]

@turbid arch it can easy disable some pact thing about high prices

so i do not think they will add it

[turbid arch]

A lot of things can disable parts of the pact.

[wind ether]

I can't finish a run with a bow ... But I can easily finish a run with 8 Heat with sword

[turbid arch]

Damage mitigation reduces the extra damage all sorts of things might deal to you

[teal laurel]

npoice

[turbid arch]

Plenty of boons already give more money, making more expensive shops being neutralized.

Athenas Sure Footing basicly negates Heightened Security

[solid cairn]

I'm trying to get used to keyboard mouse

[teal laurel]

boons are RNG doe

like you aren't gonna get sure footing that early all the time

sometimes you get it at the end

[turbid arch]

And sometimes you don't get it at all

[teal laurel]

yeah

[turbid arch]

and sometimes, you just don't step into traps.

[teal laurel]

keepsakes you always have

[turbid arch]

Let us assume that you were right

[teal laurel]

i just want my sword buffs

[turbid arch]

We would need to get Achilles Keepsake out of the game.

[teal laurel]

achilles keepsake is the broken spear point right?

[high crow]

no

[turbid arch]

No, it's the myrmidon bracer

[high crow]

its the bracer

[teal laurel]

oh

[turbid arch]

Reduces damage by 40% at max rank

[teal laurel]

oh i dont use it since spear point is much better on minimizing damage

[turbid arch]

I think Hell Mode has a pact option that disables the shield you get after taking heavy damage

[high crow]

it does

[turbid arch]

so with that pact option being a thing, the spear point would need to go too

[high crow]

what no

those are 2 seperate mechanics

[turbid arch]

They are about the same thing, being shielded for being hit.

[high crow]

spear point is everytime you get hit

[turbid arch]

If we go by Sad Sword Mains reasoning, that is enough reason to not have these around

[stray frigate]

aaaaaand shield is op http://prntscr.com/qpjahd

[teal laurel]

that's old news

[stray frigate]

)

[teal laurel]

i just memed on hades

with chaos shield

[stray frigate]

if someone forgot

shield is op

[teal laurel]

i didnt even need to think for a while

[stray frigate]

Does Athena revenge boon works almost like patrocles?

[teal laurel]

except that one elysium part

i just use it to deal damage

[high crow]

i guess

[teal laurel]

and stack it with other revenge boons

[high crow]

athenas lasts for way less time though

[teal laurel]

athena's deal damage doe

[wind ether]

With athenas boon of deflect on attack and having more speed on attack with sword is fun

[high crow]

well pretty small amount, and close range

[lusty gust]

But you dont get Athena's for the damage though

[wind ether]

Ya

[teal laurel]

i get aphro for damage

athena is a good runner up

the + damage you get from both is kinda high

[high crow]

i honestly dont like aphro, but her %s are so high that you can

can't pass on her attack/special

[teal laurel]

yeah

[wind ether]

What call is your favorite to have?

[teal laurel]

well i pass on her if im using zeus pos stuff

fave cast is actually pos

[stray frigate]

Athena and ares are 1st and 2nd

Artemida is 3rd

others just... meh

[teal laurel]

man

shield is just dummy good

like it feels like

with any synergy i still get to go somewhere

[wind ether]

Ares 1st for me... But I like zeus and dio too

[teal laurel]

when in other weapons especialyl sword i need to desperately

get some kind of shtick

like either a duo

legendary

or priv status

[stray frigate]

Athena with Riposte is so good i just cant miss it

[teal laurel]

i can understand from a cast stand point doe

[stray frigate]

dont swear on me guys

[royal coral]

My First is artemis, my second Athena, my thierd dio... my Last is poseidon with a Huge distance

[stray frigate]

only good thing in Pos is invulnerablity

[wind ether]

Just wanted to react with an emoji...

[stray frigate]

oh how does it spells correctly

[teal laurel]

i like pos call doe

its meme

but also saves me from stuff

[stray frigate]

There is one bug in Ares call

u can be hitten with Hades skulls while in call

[teal laurel]

tbh i feel like if you make a rift focused shtick

[royal coral]

The only positiv at pos is smack some satyrus again the walls

[wind ether]

Oh... Haven't noticed yet

[teal laurel]

you need to all in on ares

and artemis

because hunting blades is a staple

[stray frigate]

@wind ether happened once with me

and not only with me

for ares u need only call

and mb some rift upgrade

[teal laurel]

call and/or step

[royal coral]

@teal laurel what do u mean with staple? The comb is strong but no brain take

[stray frigate]

nah

[wind ether]

Oh has anyone seen Zagreus "lag thru door at satyr tunnels... Has happened a few time

[stray frigate]

only call

@wind ether when he swiftly run both directions?

[teal laurel]

if you only call sure you dont need to

[wind ether]

Ya

[teal laurel]

but if you want to blade rift cast

you need it

and you need at least rift dash or call to make the investment worth it

[stray frigate]

what?

what we are talking about? Artemida ares duo?

[royal coral]

@teal laurel I mean its no thing u take every run ...

[teal laurel]

well yeah

i run with doom most of the time

Orz

but i try making rift focused builds work

[royal coral]

Staple means u take it and ignore other synergis cause These staples are too good stand alone

[teal laurel]

i treat that with zeus pos doe

its like a one button priv stat

[stray frigate]

Need 2 more Onions and 9 Tomatos conversation to finish Codex(

[teal laurel]

requirement heavy doe

[stray frigate]

and 938 with Father.....

[teal laurel]

but whenever I play sword i always try to get priv zeus pos

[wind ether]

975 with hades for me

[royal coral]

I just hate pos so I Play the combo pretty rare with the railgun

Never with other weapons

[teal laurel]

pos actually has good cast

good knockback effect

[royal coral]

I just hate poseidon 😂

[teal laurel]

and decent damage

[stray frigate]

Pos is mostly good with room clearence

[solid cairn]

https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-duo-boons-82372 I made this thing for tiermaker

[fallow niche]

Wew that Chiron run was good

[teal laurel]

yeah

[wind ether]

I don't like Poseidons knock back while playing with sword... Knockbacks witches into lava and can't get to them

[teal laurel]

pos zeus combo is room clear extravangaza

im the opposite i like it

cause i like making sure i have a cast for that option

specifically

[stray frigate]

@turbid needle go shield

it's op

[royal coral]

Yeah but I think I just don't need a god which focus on room clear only, room clear is not an argument for me...

[teal laurel]

well it depends on the weapon

also

[royal coral]

@stray frigate is it really this OP? It s some time I played shield

[teal laurel]

rupture chiron aspect

pos special is

meme damage dealer

NGL

[stray frigate]

@royal coral most ppl agree chaos shield is best ingame weapon

[teal laurel]

Chaos shield is best weapon

Lmao

[royal coral]

I just don't know TBH

[stray frigate]

work almost same as chiron

but also makes you invincicle

[wind ether]

Might be... But too invested in sword... Need more skelly statues

[royal coral]

It was just my favorite weapon before I played railgun

[teal laurel]

chaos shield is just put any boon in it

and itll carry

[fallow niche]

Poseidon is great in Styx and sucks versus bosses in general. The only exception is when you got the Zeus duo boon

[stray frigate]

@turbid needle i had it with cast

not dash

[royal coral]

@turbid needle yeah, in Styx... and in the hole other run (bosses includ) it s maxium meh, most of the time just anoying

[stray frigate]

and one cast usually cleared all room

Had his leg also

[fallow niche]

The Poseidon + Zeus duo boon is nuts on Chiron, just tried that right now

[teal laurel]

i use artemis dash attack a lot

unless im rail

or chaos shield

[solid cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/668148154729889822/unknown.png

[wind ether]

[stray frigate]

@fallow niche i prefer Dio/Aphro on cniron

[fallow niche]

We meme a lot but Chaos shield isn't that high up there

[royal coral]

Brah

[fallow niche]

Its just marginally better than everything else

[teal laurel]

chaos shield is good

but not that good

lmao

also Achilles spear

is also almost as good

[solid cairn]

even on a serious list it's my only S tier

[teal laurel]

and eris aspect is debatably same or a bit lower

[fallow niche]

Each weapon has its own S-tier build(s), but Chaos Shield is the most consistently good of all of them is the thing. Even with poopoo boons it can still beat the game without much problem

Which is definitely no the case with some of the most glass cannon weapons

[teal laurel]

^^

[solid cairn]

I would have to add A+ and stuff

to not piss people off

[teal laurel]

sword is actually the weapon that requires the most good boons to work

next is non achilles spear

[royal coral]

@teal laurel true

[fallow niche]

Its also the one with the highest DPS probably

[wind ether]

Today while I was playing, a customer walked in and I didn't notice until they asked why I clicked so much

[fallow niche]

Zag sword is trash tier, but the other two are capable of some insane stuff

[teal laurel]

bow can get away with some degree of synergy

not as dependent on good boons

[solid cairn]

Zag sword has a tier of its own

right at the bottom

[teal laurel]

but as long as you can make stuff synergize its good

[fallow niche]

Bow is just as dependent on good boons as sword imho

[teal laurel]

nah zag sword is higher than zag spear and hades spear

TBH

[fallow niche]

[teal laurel]

not really

[fallow niche]

Zag spear is nuts

[teal laurel]

its dependent on decent synergy

not really good boons

[fallow niche]

Hades spear is def bad tho

[solid cairn]

I have zag spear maxed because its cheap

[fallow niche]

spin builds are ass

[teal laurel]

bow deals hella damage

and has high range

deffo hard to optimize

[fallow niche]

Bow doesn't deal anywhere near as much damage as sword

[teal laurel]

and not get bap

[fallow niche]

Its range helps it stay alive though

[teal laurel]

Sword
damage

[mint leaf]

i really dislike spear spin. always have, always will. it just doesn't feel good to use, imo.

[teal laurel]

Lmao

[fallow niche]

You have no clue what you're talking about despite your name if you think sword deals no damage

[solid cairn]

is achilles one of the weapons that like needs lv 5

[teal laurel]

the only decent damage move sword has is nova

[fallow niche]

Its like the one thing its very good at

[teal laurel]

DPS yes

[fallow niche]

Wow you need to play it more

[teal laurel]

and long combos

[fallow niche]

Chop is insane and Poseidon sword poops out DPS like mad

Its the highest burst in the game

[teal laurel]

yeah

but you need to get chop

you wont always get chop

[fallow niche]

Or the nova upgrade

[teal laurel]

i do agree if you have chop

then you have a good run

[fallow niche]

And even without it with half decent boons with nemesis you're great

[teal laurel]

or the double strike dash attack

i agree

nemesis is the best aspect

on sword

[fallow niche]

I actually like Poseidon more

[teal laurel]

its only dragged down by how bad sword base kit is

[solid cairn]

does achilles need level 5

[fallow niche]

It allows it to get some range and is easier to build around imho

[teal laurel]

pos is a cast build

i dont use it unless its cast

[fallow niche]

Well yeah no duh

[teal laurel]

nemesis more flexible

[fallow niche]

There is plenty for sword to dish out damage, its weakness is the lack of any defensive play compared to all the other weapons

If Zag sword got reworked to a more defensive aspect that would be cool

[teal laurel]

not really

[fallow niche]

As it is now.. Movespeed ain't good.

[teal laurel]

sword has bad damage numbers

[fallow niche]

[teal laurel]

its good if the opponent doesnt move

[fallow niche]

I'm gonna stop arguing with someone who doesn't know whats up

[teal laurel]

lmao ok

[slow kelp]

my religion is the shield

Amen.

[normal sleet]

tanking last boss with patro trinket, weak on attack, and daed upgrade with 2 chaos dash attack upgrades, plus poseidon rupture dash, was as fast as I've ever cleared him

[teal laurel]

its just that all other weawpons deals more damage than sword in short bursts

Bullrush throw shield is

hella damage

the only weapon i can argue that doesnt is spear

[neon ridge]

nemesis sword has the highest base damage of any weapon aspects

just vanilla

[teal laurel]

hell ye

nemesis aspect is a really good aspect

its just really that sword is bad

[neon ridge]

if you're even entering the second attack

you're playing the sword wrong

[teal laurel]

I use Nova smash

and dash attack most of the time

and first slice

sometimes

unless I have chop

[neon ridge]

so?

how is sword bad

when u can dash attack all the time

lmao

[stray frigate]

okay i have enough free blood

i try uograde Achiles max

and make some run

[teal laurel]

bad attak speed and not worth it to go into the full combo
which makes the combo 2 and combo 3 null and void and basically a design mistake
also dash attack of sword is one of its better moves but compared to other weapons its not really that good

Shield has high knockkback and high damage

spear has a good one as well

smash is also slow and has mediocre range for the end lag and starting lag it has

[stray frigate]

wish it was rail http://prntscr.com/qpjoej