or it just needs to tick faster
#h1-builds-and-combat
stable fossil
proc every .25 seconds instead of every .5 of a second
I personally can't wait for Hestia to be released, and for her to let us set people on fire
worldly mauve
Hestia: one flamethrower coming right up
north pendant
Overtime status: Already lost a life at the Furies
stable fossil
?
ooooooh I know
Set the base poison stacks to 8
and make the duo double the limit
to 16
change nothing else
about it and bam it's a viable build
fallen quarry
actually, I think poison might be fine, and I expect aphro damage to be reduced to the lowest +%
worldly mauve
and bam it sounds crazy
fallen quarry
they are both lone boons that apply towards privilege
and making things hit half as hard is absurd
so, I instead expect the support boons from them to be where more of the weight is at
stable fossil
is it though? because heat options beg to differ
fallen quarry
I don't see poison viable as the damage source
but dion as a support
could be a better shift
turbid arch
I don't think Dionysus needs any buffs.
stable fossil
thats 105 damage every half second
the base attack poison rate is only 4 per stack
untold quiver
Poison can do some great damage especially on single targets just not with every applicator
stable fossil
which is pretty bad unless you're running eris or zag rail
the damage scales really hard zone by zone weakness doesn't do all that much in Tartarus but against Hades it can save your life, which I feel is the point
untold quiver
Double hit hammer upgrades, Chiron bow special, fast spear
stable fossil
but rift blade builds and crit have way higher damage potentials, same with Poseidon if you can build it right and position well.
final fox
poison hits 8 times over 4 seconds
so a 4 damage tick is 32 damage total, as long as you aren't hitting more than 5 times over those 4 seconds
depending on the base damage of the weapon that can be comparable to percentage boons
stable fossil
I feel liek the problem with posion is that it doesn't feel strong, and that if I hit something with a 21 damage dio call to 5 stacks then hit it with my weapon, the lower value poison tick overwrites my 21
that upsets me
worldly mauve
btw poison could be really cheesy with attacks that don't require aiming much
final fox
yeah the poison ticks overwriting can be a problem
turbid arch
I mean, Poison is strong the moment you get it.
Blade rifts are basicly useless unless you invest more boons into them.
worldly mauve
like spear with the hammer upgrades that makes your special hitting 7 enemies.
turbid arch
Same goes for Zeus' boons.
Crits are weird in that big numbers feel superpowerful without doing that much in most cases.
worldly mauve
and you'll really need the homing boon for blade rift to work.
stable fossil
I once had a build where I got all the blade rift boons
turbid arch
I have seen a run like that on Youtube as well. If it works out, it's amazing
stable fossil
greater call rift was ticking for 125+ per hit at the end of the call
turbid arch
but that is a 3 boon investment.
stable fossil
no it's like a 7 boon investment for all the related ones
turbid arch
A 2 boon investment of Aphrodite/Dionysus/Ares can give you just as much power with far less risk of not getting it.
stable fossil
yup
turbid arch
I meant 3 Boon investment just to get the legendary.
But yeah, 7 Blade Rift Boons in total
stable fossil
I finally got the Poseidon Aphrodite duo in my last run, I am very happy
it was the last one I needed
worldly mauve
stable fossil
I ticked of three prophecies in one run
turbid arch
If a god needs work atm, I'd say it's Ares.
There is a pretty big disconnect between his boons.
worldly mauve
yeah.. doom and blade rift works differently
turbid arch
Yeah.
Artemis used to be the same, having cast boons on one hand and crit related ones on the other hand was weird and did not do anything for each other
but when her Cast was able to crit, the two factors came together nicely.
worldly mauve
so getting all the ares is kinda awkward when blade rift boons has almost nothing to do with your doom attack/specials
latent moss
Hey guys, is there an aspect that's worth it on the Exagryph? They all seems kinda lack luster.
turbid arch
Funny, I think they are all OP.
worldly mauve
railgun?
latent moss
I'm in no way good at Hades, I might be totally wrong
worldly mauve
I can never spell exa-what correctly
latent moss
haha yeah the gun
turbid arch
The Zagreus Aspect basicly doubles your clip, Eris Aspect gives you up to 60% extra damage on EVERYTHING. Hestia is arguably the worst simply because it makes gameplay weird
worldly mauve
they all good but requires different builds
turbid arch
but if you get used to it, you get ridiculously high hits on the regular.
I think I saw someone crit for 4500 damage with Hestia once.
worldly mauve
like hestia could go for a snipe-ish build
latent moss
Alright, thanks for the tips ^^ any good boons to use on the gun?
worldly mauve
eris could go for a hit and toss grenade run
zag basically means you'd want those Zeus boons
those more beneficial with higher fire rate would work nicely on zag aspect
latent moss
yeah I liked using Zeus on the basic gun, I'm maybe less bad at this game that I thought haha
thanks ^^
worldly mauve
no problems
only thing worth noting is base damage for railgun shots are real low
so +percentage boons works not as good on it compare to other weapons
latent moss
yeah you want more raw damage on effects right? like Zeus's chain lightning
worldly mauve
but it triggers more lightning/knock back etc
yeah
fixed raw damage ones
unless you are going for Hestia reload only, which the first shot has the highest base damage by far
or you want to mostly just tossing special around, you could go for +% on that.
untold quiver
I usually use Eris on the gun....if your lucky you get the rocket upgrade (or rockets + mutli special)
worldly mauve
that's
toooo lucky for me
i'd go weeeeeee over that combination
usually i get infinite ammo when using zag aspect
latent moss
is poison good with this too?
untold quiver
Rocket is like THE upgrade for Eris......always have the bonus no problem
worldly mauve
emm... not as good, it's ok on single target but you'd like poison on AoE
for crowd control that is
untold quiver
It took some positioning work but I've gotten the hang of the fogs with Posidon Blade
worldly mauve
when im on Poseidon's trail i'd end up using all the rupture/barrier and begin a bumping car ride.
untold quiver
@stable fossil really? It's great big damage boost plus things like damage reduced in fog since you gotta be up close
stable fossil
I just assume that you have to hit it in the center to dispel the fog
which would be annoying
if you can just smash it anywhere then I retract the mad lad statement
latent moss
does your chance to find a specific god's boons increases when you equip his heirloom?
stable fossil
no
@latent moss it makes the next boon that spawns that god's boon, but after that it does nothing but increase the rarity
latent moss
good to know thanks 😄
stable fossil
np
worldly mauve
nah just the first one. but the rarity up thing still works tho.
stable fossil
happy to help
untold quiver
Yeah the fog does aoe when it hits you don't need to hit em with the blob
silver island
ugh so many things to buy from the renovation dude but not enough stuff to get ti
like at this point i'd need to finish a few prophecies to buys omething
and i think the Extreme Measures for the pact is the easiest way of getting there
flint herald
I just beat my previous Personal Best by less than a second, is this what being a speedrunner feels like
compact niche
okay the combo of Spread Fire, Explosive Fire, and Poseidon boon on attack is making this Exagryph run really fun
obsidian abyss
Killed final boss for 14th time today. First time without Athena dash LOL
golden garnet
There's no bad skills IMHO
No boons suck outright to me yet
I'm only 98 runs in but that's what I'm seeing
some are less flashy than others but idk if any are bad?
lament coral
the problem is getting these "less flashy" boons over the actually useful ones
imagine being offered Aphro dash over attack or special, that blows
obsidian abyss
there are boons that suck. dying lament is the first that comes to mind. aphro dash. unlucky chaos rolls. sunken treasure.
there are very few BAD boons tho
lament coral
ok, bad is the wrong word
less functional
I want an attack boon, I want a special boon, everything else is irrelevant before I get these two
and the only dash you'll ever need is Athena's, because it's the only that gives you invaluable utility, as opposed to other's dashes that give you weak sauce damage
obsidian abyss
xcept for a couple xceptions like athena dash, life affirmation, etc.
lament coral
isn't Affirmation affected by Consequences?
obsidian abyss
no that's after party i think
max health increases aren't affected right? i haven't used lc yet
lament coral
oh, it's room reward hp
I mean, I dunno
that's about 33 HP from a heart
it's nice, true, but I'd still rather have my offensive boons first
obsidian abyss
yeah. everything you want is damage, athena dash, or abilites that explicitly encourage you to get them earlier. maybe ocean's bounty as well
lament coral
you could have all the health in the world and still die cause you deal no damage
obsidian abyss
ofc
damage is more important, but i'm saying that there are things I would pick over early damage
not many, but they exist
i think athena dash needs either a complete rework or a 75% decrease in damage
i think even if it did literally 0 damage, that would be really cool. i think it would help cement athena's mechanical identity as a tactics and defense lady. and the dash would still be top tier
golden garnet
Name one
There’s none that are bad, just preferable. They all help. Some aren’t as good when you’ve built too much a certain way, or if you get them too late
north pendant
Started a new run, who's better in terms of boons: Artemis or Ares?
next light
your weapon may lean your choice on that
nothing wrong with running one and swapping to the other between realms
north pendant
So if I'm running nemesis, I might as well go for Ares then
crimson wraith
Artemis is critical damage focused. I'd consider getting her main/special for starters. As for Ares, I'd take his cast. The duo boon for these two, for Ares' cast is OP
azure atlas
new to game first time...anyone else hate the rest of the weapons
feel like sword is the only fun one
atomic panther
:)
gilded sedge
The lance and the minigun are Also amazing
Shield , lance and minigun are the best
Bow its ok
And shield sucks
unborn trellis
then dont get hit :hypnos:
atomic panther
Get World Splitter and CHOP all your problems away
azure atlas
idk what that is lol
unborn trellis
a daedalus hammer upgrade for sord
atomic panther
Replaces your normal Slash -> Chop -> Thrust attack pattern with a single Chop that deals 90 damage
Scales very very well with damage modifiers
It's had a fun history, going from 80 damage but horrible modifier scaling, then 100 damage but horrible modifier scaling, then 80 damage with great scaling, and now 90 damage with great scaling
patent willow
Probably a stupid question, but can you refund spent Titan Blood?
atomic panther
You can not
rugged estuary
If I turn on budget cuts and just go without changing the mirror, what are my settings going to be?
Does it just start at the top and cut off once it hits 2500?
frosty pier
It refunds you mirror from the bottom
rugged estuary
Alright, thanks
rugged estuary
Wow, the Zeus cast is way better than I thought
supple haven
rugged estuary
In the more difficult hydra fight, unlike in the normal one, there arent any heals are there?
lament coral
yep
azure atlas
oh god
royal coral
Does someone know how hera bow synergise with the double shot upgrude from dädalus? Does bouth of ur shots trigger ur cast?
lament coral
I'd imagine only 1 arrow is loaded
rugged estuary
My first try actually won
Doom on hit on the bow special was pretty good for a third run
On another node, god damn I hate time limits. If only tight deadline wouldn't give so much heat.
lament coral
I hate the time limit, it's simply too punishing if you don't get statuses on your attacks early on
rugged estuary
If I have an opponent afflicted by doom and one other status, will the doom get the +50%?
Bleh. I give up.
I'll never beat a time limit run.
I got to hades, but I was in absolutely no shape to fight him.
sonic hedge
Zeus has weakest boons change my mind
frosty pier
What weapons do you use them with?
sonic hedge
None really but if i take his shield I "might" use zues boons
frosty pier
Well the main thing that you need to use Zeus with weapons that have decent attack speed. So two main contenders are Rail and Spear. Main thing with Zeus attack build is a bit of luck with getting his legendary. I cant tell why I get it so often but basically you need Attack/cast +Zeus's boon that gives additional bounces, and legendary usually follows close behind. And that is a build with 3 boons
For additional dead frames use support fire.
sonic hedge
Yea even so meta is support fire
I wish armour wasn't a second health bar
I know that with the bow you can get insane crit damage which just demolishes armour but if you are using any other high damage or fast its not really worth
Like for example shield and sword
I'm always getting caught in between frames of attacks with thoes weapons
frosty pier
With sword I cant help, but have you tried constatnly dash-attacking with shield?
sonic hedge
Yea it's must on sheild and also I wish bull charge and sword drop to have the dash properties so for example I take zues shock dash boon it would proc on bull rush cause techncailly its a dash within an attack
night python
Hades early access translated to Spanish the complete game for when?
Hades early access translated to Spanish the complete game for when?
Hades early access translated to Spanish the complete game for when?
lament coral
could you not spam?
sonic hedge
Or I can take literly any other god even Aphrodite with rail and still have a better time
Rail is op
lament coral
you do realize that Zeus' attack is flat damage, right?
somber hill
Rail is my only successful completion.
lament coral
if Zeus gives you 30 attack, that's +30 damage on every shot
if Aphrodite gives you +%50 damage, that's only 15+7=22 damage on each shot
in addition, if you get + attack % from Chaos, that'll increase Zeus' attack damage, too
for example, you deal 15 attack + 30 Zeus = 45 damage each shot
actually, does Chaos increase boon's damage?
rich edge
flat is flat doesnt increase
somber hill
I feel like it wouldn't.
rich edge
unless leveled up
lament coral
so it'd only affect the base 15 damage?
rich edge
only thing that affects the base 15 dmg is lvling it up
to more flat
other than that nothing
lament coral
no no, 15 is the base damage, with no boons
rich edge
oh and dual curse priviliged status
wooden lodge
bow is consistently the slowest weapon, even with Haelian, a top notch speedrunner https://i.imgur.com/5tpn2IU.png
rugged estuary
If I have an opponent afflicted by doom and one other status, will the doom get the +50%?
Since it runs out when it deals damage and then there's no longer 2 statuses
lament coral
depends on Priv Stat description
it just says damage, so I would assume it affects any damage, like Artemis' crit boon
somber hill
So just so I understand this right, Artimis' crit on damage boon triggers per tick right? Like, if you get poison you get one chance every couple of seconds? Or does each stack trigger an individual tick?
lament coral
poison ticks every 0.5 seconds, so that's a chance to crit every 0.5 seconds
somber hill
Gotcha, so stacking just increases the damage that tick does.
Rather than 5 chances to crit every 0.5 seconds.
rugged estuary
@lament coral No, you misunderstood. My question was, when doom runs out, priv is no longer active because the opponent has only one status
so what happens first, doom damage applying, or priv turning off?
rugged estuary
I'll have to test that I think. Makes a big difference when playing with doom.
flint verge
It there a prerequisite to get the "Rebel" boon of Chaos ? it's the only one i'm still missing to complete the prophecy after 61 runs, and i can't seem to find it
frosty pier
No.
flint verge
So i'm just really unlucky
frosty pier
You do need to have atleast 1 chaos boon beforehand
flint verge
I keep piling them up but it never comes. Well i guess i'll just pray to RNGesus
obtuse ravine
Doom + another status procs privileged status until the Doom triggers
I'm fairly sure the Doom damage triggers before losing priv status
turbid needle
Greetings. Can't check right now due to be on another game at the moment, is Hades update coming soon?
untold widget
viral fossil
RIP my 18 win streak
naive cobalt
:/
viral fossil
I tried to "speedrun" the game 😄
lament coral
which gods are the best for Chiron bow? I was thinking Aphro/Ares attack and Dio special
maiden steeple
Zeus special can finish just fine even on a bad build.
The problem with Dio special is that it doesn't really stack all that well, if you use the special multiple times on the same enemy. You can probably win with it though, it's just slower.
lament coral
but you only get one shock off Zeus with Chiron
maiden steeple
If you manage to stack a lot of damage bonuses then Artemis Special is probably the strongest.
I'm fairly certain all special shots deal the Zeus damage.
lament coral
never tried Artemis, gonna give it a whirl
you just get Artemis special, all of her crits. What about attack?
woeful stirrup
Nope, only one deals the Zeus damage, weirdly.
Especially since all of them poison for Dio.
maiden steeple
It's weaker on it's own than literally anything else. But once you have a lot of damage bonuses her special is good, since the crit chance is already adequate.
Attack you can get any status effect, Aphrodite being probably the best, since weak can get extra damage on another boon.
I haven't done any extensive testing to see if all shots activate Zeus on Chiron, but at least from my experience it didn't look like it was activating only once.
Zeus+Chiron on my testing seemed to do more damage than Poseidon+Chiron with the Zeus duo, and the duo does appear to shoot bolts on every shot.
proud storm
if i'm not wrong this is purely visual
the fx will proc on every shot but the damage will only proc once
maiden steeple
That might be the case.
But at that point I'm more surprised that I was able to actually finish runs with it. It doesn't seem like the damage would be enough if it only activates once.
woeful stirrup
Well, all I know is my special did nearly nothing with the hammer that adds shots and an epic Zeus special. First time in at least 50 run I die before Elysium.
maiden steeple
I had the exact opposite experience with Zeus+Chiron - which maybe is why I thought it worked.
proud storm
back then zeus special + chiron would actually work (i.e lightning proc on every shot) but it was downright busted
maiden steeple
I'm not aware if it changed, I haven't played for a few weeks. Mostly waiting for the update.
proud storm
fair enough
turbid needle
Okay, thanks for the info.
obsidian abyss
I think the best is probably dio special and cast and aphro attack. If possible get Zeus call or heavens vengeance so you can get the duo boom
stray frigate
so what is good Chaos shield builds?
wanna try it untill it got nerfed
while i have 40 blood i can try it
obsidian abyss
Also, is Poseidon the best build for stygius?
stray frigate
@obsidian abyss depends on aspect
obsidian abyss
I meant the aspect of Poseidon
radiant basin
Oh
stray frigate
ah
obsidian abyss
My bad on clarity lol
stray frigate
both aspects are good
radiant basin
I think nemesis is probably the favorite aspect but I prefer poseidon
stray frigate
and both good with artemida
obsidian abyss
Stygius special feels so garbo to me tho
So I’m hesitant to spend blood on ne@esis
radiant basin
I hated sword for a long time
now i love it
idk what changed, maybe just more experience or playing the game a long time and branching out
obsidian abyss
Stygius attack and dash attack are good. The special just feels so gimped to me
nocturne dirge
Shoutouts to the charm bug losing me a run
radiant basin
rip
obsidian abyss
Oof
nocturne dirge
Love taking 100+ damage from an enemy that's not even supposed to hurt me
stray frigate
u can combine dash to cancel special animation
obsidian abyss
Do you dash plus q or q plus dash?
nocturne dirge
dash q dash
stray frigate
idk i dont play sword
nocturne dirge
wait for the q to go off before you dash again
radiant basin
you cant cancel an animation you havent started :p
obsidian abyss
Aight I’ll try that will skelly later today
radiant basin
there is a window I think if you dont dash fast enough that you are animation locked, I'm messing with it now
obsidian abyss
This does not seem worth the effect tbh
radiant basin
every weapon except for the gun has benefits for being close range
I hate the sword special on forced overtime though
but I think most people value the daedalus upgrade pretty highly
for + aoe on special
like every other slow ability you can also use it on spawn too
obsidian abyss
I think I’ll just not level the aspect. Just not the thing for me. Also what’s yalls opinion on zag aspect bow?
radiant basin
I actually like it but I think most people prefer chiron
stray frigate
Chiron is great vs bosses
but not so good in room clearence
Hera is more flexible
radiant basin
between the three hera is my favorite
obsidian abyss
Yeah I like all three. Free crit just feels powerful
fallow niche
Hera is poopoo mode, Zag is meh, and Chiron is good
lament coral
what are the keepsakes for Poseidon sword? Artemis into Money into Spear?
cause I assume you wanna fish for Artemis' cast
limber imp
So is the Dionysus Legendary boon bugged? Cause im not seeing any bonus damamge when using it
stray frigate
@limber imp what do u expect?
limber imp
?
limber imp
yeah except its not giving the bonus damage to that enemy
I recorded a hydra fight if im allowed to post it
stray frigate
link it
stray frigate
i cant see numbers in 360 quality(
limber imp
I guess to clarify, is the combo damage only supposed to apply to festive fog or all damage?
lament coral
only enemies in the fog
it worked when I had it but it clearly isn't working for you
are you still playing?
frail ore
Oh btw guys when you use Hermes' feather to stack dodge, and then switch keepsakes, do you lose the dodge?
limber imp
yeah
frail ore
oof
stray frigate
yea
limber imp
also yeah zeppman
lament coral
have you gotten any other poison buffs? If not, what's the damage at max stacks, 5
limber imp
max damage is 45 at max stacks
limber imp
only have 9 damage per tick
frail ore
Maybe they'd be OP if they didn't but it still kinda sucks you'd lose all the stuff you'd accumulated; if you get boons from the god keepsakes you don't lose the boons you got when you switch
lament coral
press F10 in the game
an in-game bug reporter will pop up, fill in the info, explain the issue
lament coral
@frail ore I sent a suggestion to let the dodge/damage from feather/butterfly accumulate without having em, so you could go through Tartarus and Asphodel and then switch to either of em and they'd have upgraded numbers, as if you were carrying them
it's not even that busted, from my experience
I managed to get dodge to a bit over 25% and damage over 30%
fallow niche
There is a reason why Hermes feather sucks
stray frigate
60% dodge is sucks?
stray frigate
@fallow niche tight deadline on high heat force to play fast
lament coral
you won't be using the feather on high heat
fallow niche
Only the second level of Tight Deadline makes you try and clear rooms fast and even then Feather didn't always proc for me. Also, you don't take level 2 tight deadline for high heat runs
You'll just lose
And feather is worse than other relics for clearing low heat runs fast
lament coral
you either use survivability, like Spear, or god relic, for increased spawn chance
lament coral
you even skip the money bag because the prices are too high
stray frigate
i do not use it anyway tbh)
lament coral
I do use it for now, while farming for blood/diamonds
helps you get the Styx' one quite reliably
lament coral
same, 13 on shield and 14 or 15 on bow
the other weapons are 10
though I've done 16 and 32 shield for the statues
fallow niche
Skull Earring some good stuff
lament coral
anyway, what's the best Poseidon sword starter then? Cuz I was told Artemis cast is the best
fallow niche
Yes it is
Poseidon sword starts with artemis relic
Get cast
Proceed to win game
lament coral
do I take it regardless of rarity though?
stray frigate
Exit Wounds
fallow niche
Exit wounds is t2
lament coral
like, if I get attack/special rare/epic, and cast is common
stray frigate
best thing for poseidon oimo
lament coral
I'm talking about the very first Artemis boon
fallow niche
Def want cast I think
And use all your poms on it
Just hunt down poms and delete folks
lament coral
scaling gets pretty bad though
fallow niche
Its actually really good because of other boons you can get with it
lament coral
you barely get any increase after lvl 5
fallow niche
Plus its your main DPS
Artemis has another boon that makes you fire a secondary projectile based on your cast's damage
Really you'd be doing the number crunch as to what's going to get you the most bang for your buck but most of the time its correct to continue leveling the cast
lament coral
I just did a few Poseidon runs and got World Splitter in all of em, ended up just attacking for 700 crit, didn't even use cast
fallow niche
Did a 16 heat run with poseidon sword once and cleared in 16min
Hades died in under a minute
Its nuts
lament coral
I assume you also take Chaos cast increases, both damage and uses?
fallow niche
Yes
I take all Chaos boons I can with that build
Its Artemis > Chaos > everything else
Maybe get some Athena for defensive boons + duo
But that's really about it?
I guess Aphrodite ain't bad
stable fossil
Question
stray frigate
Cinder is it you?
stable fossil
Does Calisthenics Program affect armor values for armored enemies
no I am not Cinder
stray frigate
what is that?
Is it a bug that Trove Trocker doesnt upgraded by Contractor upgrades?
tawny quest
i have one trove tracker upgrade
stray frigate
i have them all
tawny quest
damn
karmic atlas
hey so I got the hades aspect for the eternal spear
but I thought the hold attack would change from spin attack to punishing sweep, is this not the case?
karmic atlas
what's the difference? I literally can't tell
stray frigate
...with Q and AA
karmic atlas
oh ok
also when it pops up the like instructions it's still called spin attack, so just wanted to double check
are the marked enemies weaker?
jk ignore me
read the description
lament coral
@stray frigate troves spawned using the shop item give smaller rewards
stray frigate
and is it a bug or ok?
lament coral
no idea
woeful stirrup
It's been put in feedback. So, if it's fixed next update, we'll know it was a bug (or a choice that they agreed to change). If it's not, I guess it was intended.
stray frigate
but there is no info(
plush holly
there's a small thing in the Hades fight where a rock can block you and it's sooooo annoying
i can't tell you how much unnecessary damage i've taken because of it
terse tiger
@plush holly be sure to 
. also, spoilers!
stray frigate
@terse tiger this channel is ok for spoilers
only disscussion
is forbidden for that
lament coral
@plush holly which rock? The destructible pillars?
frail ore
I've found the hit boxes on some of the rubble hard to read in that fight
Like I think that it's going to block Hades' deathbeams and they don't
terse tiger
@stray frigate I actually didn't know that. thanks for the head up, and my apologies to @plush holly !
frail ore
Or rather the hit box is unexpectedly small
stray frigate
it's ok
lament coral
I've only had 2 issues with the final area: a couple protruding wall parts at the bottom cannot be dashed through, and the weird behavior of the 2 graves on the right side
sometimes the beam attack goes through em, sometimes it doesn't
sometimes it goes through but doesn't deal any damage, doesn't even hit me despite the beam going right through me
stray frigate
and what about dead areas where u cant take back ur bstones?
lament coral
I saw others mention it but haven't encountered that problem myself
plush holly
dm me if you want a pic of the rock that i get stuck on
since it's a pic and i can't post it here
desert robin
That cast stone thing mainly happens to me when I’m using Zeus cast lol
stable fossil
Just beat my first 8 heat run
stray frigate
@plush holly links are allowed https://prntscr.com/qnobbq
stable fossil
that reward
stray frigate
@stable fossil now you can enjoy beatifull statue
stray frigate
ok
plush holly
that was a small image wait
well then okay, for some reason the world decided to just delete the lower half of the picture
rich edge
@stable fossil congratz on heat 8 bro
rich edge
the chaos god or the shield?
rich edge
weak on attack and dio poison on shield is good
as well as doom on attack and zeus on special
stray frigate
poison on Q?
stray frigate
and what hammer?
rich edge
explosive return
stray frigate
dread flight?
plain citrus
Is it possible to do a 40 heat run
stray frigate
is it a question?
plain citrus
It feels freaking impossible*
stray frigate
why do u need 40?
plain citrus
I dont I just tried it and was amazed by how nuts it all was
stray frigate
and why 40?
plain citrus
Cuz that was the max
stray frigate
http://prntscr.com/qp82vw i wish it was Chiron
river matrix
Relatively new player with two wins (1 at 0 heat, 1 at 1) trying to figure out what builds to go for while I'm still low on Titan Blood. First win was with shield with attack and dash deflect so I was able to tank almost everything and whittle down the final boss, second was a adamant rail hunting blades build. What are some non-aspect dependent builds to go for while I'm building up my weapons?
lament coral
I'm guessing you don't have Priviliged Status unlocked in the mirror?
stray frigate
@river matrix u can go pretty far with shield
river matrix
I've actually got most of the mirror unlocks, just working on the last three.
stray frigate
@river matrix do u have fated list?
river matrix
Yes.
stray frigate
so you can gift Chaos 2 more nectar to have 2 more prophecy
each can give you 20 keys and it can help you a lot with mirror
well one of it requires Chaos legendary which is hard
native ether
For the question on 45 heat, I do not believe it's actually possible atm
stray frigate
but 2nd is rly yesy
native ether
Unless you have some ridiculous non repeatable luck.
stray frigate
@river matrix also u can stick to rail
Zeus/Dio Attack. Support Fire from Artemida. Dash Attack/Attack from chaos
native ether
The main thing that makes it hard is that while all the various conditions already make the game difficult, the fact that you're also timed means that you're rushing the game, and then you make sloppy mistakes and get punished.
stray frigate
More Dashes from Hermes and attack speed
native ether
You won't see a Hermes boon until Asphodel
Or the Tartarus shops
And after trying 45 repeatedly, it's bold thinking to assume you can get to Meg and beat her before the time limit kills you.
wooden lodge
@river matrix the shield is, imo, the best for beginners (I use M+K) and I recommend Chaos Shield as your early dumping ground for titan blood
native ether
Ah lol, my bad
wooden lodge
Sword with Nemesis Aspect is great for beginners, go Nemesis plus Artemis's basic attack for a reliable damage dealer
stray frigate
sword is not good for beginners imo
wooden lodge
Spear with Hades Aspect is good for its punishing sweep, or if you like the special, the other two are good as well
stray frigate
at all
solid cairn
Also aphro attack is a better consistent damage dealer
stray frigate
Shield and Rail are much better
solid cairn
Spear for special spam
wooden lodge
Bow with Chiron Aspect is considered the most reliable, but Zagreus's aspect is good if you want lots of crits
stray frigate
1st good cus can save
stray frigate
2nd good cus fast and you can attack with distance
wooden lodge
And for Rail, all that matters is the Zeus attack and you'll wipe out whole mobs ez
solid cairn
Hestia not for beginners at all
wooden lodge
are you unable to grasp the point of listing a basic build for every weapon
stray frigate
and Chiron requires max lvl to be good
wooden lodge
I already said chaos shield is the best for beginners
then listed one of the better builds for each other weapon
stray frigate
Chaos must be maxed too?
solid cairn
Chiron is very good at lower heat
stray frigate
nothing
wooden lodge
I used it over and over with 1, 2, and even 3 levels
solid cairn
It’s pretty versatile too
wooden lodge
it's obviously amazing at level 5
solid cairn
Level 3 is enough broken for me
wooden lodge
but you have to start somewhere!
stray frigate
horribly inconvenient
for me
so my advice - go with rail
and farm some blood
for some good aspects
river matrix
<Scribbling down notes furiously> These sound like good recipes. I'll probably switch off on rail / shield runs, try to climb and get blood.
solid cairn
I wonder if there’s gonna be a lot of weapon balance changes next patch
wooden lodge
and the Eris rail is definitely better for faaaaat damage boosts
but I just freaking HATE reloading
stray frigate
Infinite chamber is your choice sir!
solid cairn
So you don’t like Hestia
wooden lodge
my problem with reloading is that if you don't do it manually, you just stand there spitting blanks for like 5 seconds like a dumbass
until the game says "ok now it's time to reload"
solid cairn
You gotta get used to it
stray frigate
native ether
Sword is imo great for beginners once you figure out that you shouldn't auto pilot attack with the Thrust.
stray frigate
problem is i have max Zag rail
wooden lodge
right click, spam attacks, right click, spam attacks
stray frigate
and i just get used to 24 bullets
wooden lodge
the sword is amazeballs
solid cairn
It actually is kind of hard to use sword at very high heat
It’s very much high risk high reward
stray frigate
if i change aspect i cant understand why bullets are ending so fast
wooden lodge
weren't you just going on about this being about beginners
solid cairn
But chaos shield has low risk medium reward
wooden lodge
the thing about chaos shield is it applies poison to the whole map with two clicks
did I say poison? I meant Doom
wooden lodge
the nice thing about Aphro is when you shotgun 5 shields point blank you know they're doing MAX damage
solid cairn
Aphro and Artemis are just dominant right now
stray frigate
also she has damage boost
solid cairn
I wish everyone else wasn’t so much worse
The others ones pretty much only have a couple good boons, some of which are super situational
Even Artemis has
Amazing cast, amazing attack and special, support fire, marked, hunting blades duo
solid cairn
Like I don’t even know who the third best Olympian would be
wooden lodge
cyka blyat
solid cairn
Because they’re all so much worse than the two
pallid sky
dio's legendary is low key ridic
solid cairn
Yeah Dio has a case for third best
A bunch of utility stuff too
Like after party, which is so broken at the highest rarity btw
You go back up to 60%
solid cairn
Also dio’s attack and special fit a good niche
pallid sky
u wot
pallid sky
hm
solid cairn
Yeah I think Dio is third best Olympian
What holds Dio back is his cast without Hera bow and his call, but I could be wrong about his call not being that good
His boon names are incredible btw
radiant basin
dio call is pretty good, the poison damage per tick is much higher than attack/special/anything else
and its aoe
untold quiver
Hestia is one of the more boon dependent ones ...attack increase, dash attack increase, spread fire and you walloping with that reload very hit and run
Dio's cast I've liked with the Posidon Blade..... even better if you get it first and can get some of the boons that go with it
radiant basin
Poseidon special doesnt reset dio cast though does it?
lusty gust
I always evade getting any Dio boons
radiant basin
since it's ground targetted
grand idol
Wait wait, I apologize. Hestia is amazing.
untold quiver
No it doesn't
grand idol
I meant the one where you have to stand in your special.
untold quiver
But you get the damage pump and fight in the could
Dude that's my favorite gun aspect
Eris
grand idol
I think it sucks.
radiant basin
the daedalus upgrade to slow enemies in your special probably helps a lot with eris
untold quiver
It does take getting used to, the rocket hammer upgrade makes it super sweet
radiant basin
Or that, yeah
untold quiver
Ideally I want rocket and triple special with Eris
final fox
eris is pretty great
i can't use rocket though, I just don't like it
the indirect fire and more precise aim of the default special has saved me multiple times
untold quiver
Im a real dash around in everyone's face kind of player so anything that makes it more effective up close is amazing in my book
final fox
best hammers for eris are spread shot, flurry shot, triple special, slow special, IMO
oh and explosive fire
untold quiver
Yeah anyway you slice it triple special is sweet for eris
Slow special is basically replaced by rocket if you go rocket but those are all the good ones to
severe sandal
does the eris buff stack if you get hit more?
final fox
no
lament coral
well, I figured out how to play the spear: pick Zagreus aspect, get hammer in the first room, get explosive spear off the hammer, get Artemis special, crit for 800 damage.
lament coral
makes your special wicked fast
lusty gust
Because you can maximize your damage output with Zag's aspect
lament coral
by the time Hades fell, I had only 3 boons: Artemis special, Artemis mark, and Athena dash
lusty gust
Achilles's is more to evade incoming dmg
lament coral
well, those are the only god boons I had, there were also 3 special boons from Chaos
I really tried giving Hades spear a chance but spin is just garbage
enemies move around all the time, especially bosses
radiant basin
you can dash cancel the spin and also move while doing so
I mean dash cancel the animation, you still get the spin
lusty gust
But it's way better if you don't have the spin though.
radiant basin
I like hades spear, I only tried it once but I got pretty solid crit boons and was doing 600-800 crits on attacks
with how fast the spear attack is it was pretty high dps
crits on spins was like 1100
I do think the default spear is probably way better though but I think it's fun
lament coral
the spear is by far my least favorite weapon now, the aspects just do nothing
Bow was fixed by Chiron, sword by Poseidon, but spear?
it's just a chore
radiant basin
the first time i beat the game was on spear, default aspect with ~2300 damage crits
safest possible run
lament coral
did you just pick nothing but Artemis?
lusty gust
I don't know how I got to Elisyum with the bow... That was the worst weapon I've ever held in a game
radiant basin
no you need to spec into athena or aphrodite for their +20% or +50% duos
lament coral
because my spear run with 800 special crit was rigged from the start
lusty gust
One shotting people as you start lmao
radiant basin
you still need artemis
but you need at least one of those duos, you cant just rely on the 5% crit from pressure points
lusty gust
Bow without Artemis is like putting the game in Hell Mode
radiant basin
that is so small, its 1/20 hits
lament coral
that seems way more complicated than just slapping Arty special on and leveling it up
stray frigate
@lusty gust i play Chiron with Aphro and Dio
wanton raptor
Did they remove Perfect Landing ?
lusty gust
Did you defeat Hades with that comp?
lusty gust
bruh
stray frigate
@lament coral Aphro has great utility
wanton raptor
When you press A when you enter the Tartarus for the first ime , you used to be able to do a little flip
instead of doing a hard landing
stray frigate
and allow me to have insta priv status
lament coral
there's no one to apply the status to, they died to the crits
lusty gust
I've been hunting down Thanatos in the game. Where is he even???
lament coral
he shows up late
lusty gust
He's the only one left
stray frigate
also Arte has worst status imo()
lament coral
just keep playing, he'll appear eventually
radiant basin
if you're asking me how to get 2k crits, you have to up your base damage
formal basin
Is it just me, or is Artemis' cast also pretty bad?
stray frigate
i saw Tomatos after 20-25 runs
radiant basin
artemis cast is good
lusty gust
Artemis' cast is pretty useless imo
radiant basin
its good on hera bow too
lament coral
in penetrates Elysium shields, too
formal basin
It's good if it crits, but the base crit on it is too low.
radiant basin
You can increase your crit rate with athena/arte or aphro/arte duo
lament coral
that's why you unload your cast, then special em, then unload again
keep at until it crits and everyone dies
radiant basin
35% crit rate is the same iirc? as nemesis
formal basin
I love using Hera bow, but when I unload 4 and none of them crit, feelsbadman
pallid dagger
Things I want from Artemis are the Critical for the Special and Support Fire
lament coral
alternatively, pick up Ares cast and get Artemis/Ares duo
pallid dagger
those alone make her worth it
radiant basin
35% crit rate is also extremely high idk why you think its low
lusty gust
Getting Are's cast was a lucky stunt to me
lament coral
your blades will melt everything
lusty gust
I never thought I could deal so much dmg as I did with it
formal basin
Where are you getting 35% Cast is 10% crit.
Are you adding in the 20% from the duo boons and 5% from pressure points?
lament coral
yep, first time I went ham with cast was with Ares'
radiant basin
no... where did I get that actually
formal basin
Her call probably
radiant basin
Oh yeah, thats probably it
formal basin
Which is 35% and I have no problem with.
green island
Does anyone have some tips on doing the tight deadline pact? I cant seem to get through Elysium fast enough.
lament coral
got 3 extra casts from Artemis, duo, cast speed, duration and size
lusty gust
I just threw the cast 3 times and it kept bouncing off the wall and the pillar so it did a massive amount of dmg
radiant basin
Yeah sorry, i was doing math on calls a little bit ago and conflated them
lament coral
my god gauge was full every few seconds
stray frigate
@green island just dont take boss roms
and alswys choose shop
also u have to make good build already before elisyum
lusty gust
Getting Athena's boon to get your god gauge partially full is so good~
lusty gust
Almost defeated Hades with 2 ressurects left
Never got Zeus' call
But it must be sick
It was either Zeus' or Poseidon's
formal basin
Zeus has a lot of good call boons.
lusty gust
Yeah he does
Lighting chains in your spear attacks with no spin
It's fabulous
I felt bad for the monsters lmao
formal basin
Yeah, I was lucky enough to get that, support fire, and Zeus legendary all at the same time once. Just melted.
lusty gust
I could imagine them being like "yo let me play bro wtf"
grand idol
Yo I want a run where I get all daedalus
grand idol
Yeah but I want'em ALL
stray frigate
and some aspects can never have
lusty gust
If you don't get at least 1 Deadalus upgrade you're in trouble
lusty gust
Bro if you don't get good boons with synergy with no daedalus then yeah
stray frigate
@lusty gust some runs i didint get Special upgrade for chiron
only upgrade i wanted
and i still won that run
lusty gust
Good boons?
lusty gust
Then you were good. You got 2 boons with synergy for Chiron
Any ideas of which is going to be the next weapon?
I'd love if it was Cronos' scythe
stray frigate
yeah i had that thought
there can be Demeter aspect too and even Tomatos aspect
hey i did it
12 heat my personal record for now
600 hp is awesome tbh
lusty gust
My man is stacked with boons
stray frigate
?
lusty gust
imagine if you die 1000 times
stray frigate
will i find it out?
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/667863687016742962/unknown.png should this be chill enough for 8 heat?
stray frigate
i better take jury summons for 3 point
instead of enemy spead
and add 1 more blue heart
stray frigate
i'm ok with them now
novel python
praying to get ares special
stray frigate
u just run into them and force to dash them
and i try 13 heat for rail
wish luck for both of us and all who play now)
novel python
If I finish this I'll get skelly's statue
stray frigate
if i finish this...i can try more
woeful stirrup
Does Asterius have a voice line if you fight him without any Daedalus hammer?
woeful stirrup
Yeah, that's what got me thinking.
Given the history between the two, I think it'd be nice if there was a line. Would feel really rewarding getting it after all the effort of actively avoiding hammers until most of Elysium.
north pendant
Has anyone ever tried doing a maximum heat run, yet?
woeful stirrup
Got a bit further. Died against the Tartarus mini-boss.
north pendant
So, it looks like there's 120 heat runs but that was for the older version of Hades
lament coral
@novel python definitely special there, it's damage
and once you get Ares, you'd upgrade to heroic doom
novel python
@lament coral ive just got the dash there and I got ares special on the next room
so it's aight
ill take athena keepsake for aspho
praying to get the dash and the duo
or attack and duo
vestal parcel
Man, I love flurry strike on the spear.
lament coral
attack or special
severe sandal
attack
stray frigate
there is no special
lament coral
attack it is then
stray frigate
only attack and dash attack
vestal parcel
I'd probably go with +attack, maybe +dash attack if Hestia rail. But probably just +attack.
vestal parcel
+dash is almost as good as +attack with Hestia rail, meh otherwise.
lament coral
don't you just fire faster after dashing?
vestal parcel
I had one Hestia run with two Chaos boons and one Artemis all buffing dash attack. Was fun.
With Hestia, the +attack bonus applies to your charged shot if you do it after a dash, I'm pretty certain.
vestal parcel
So dash/shoot, reload, dash/shoot, reload, etc.
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/667869769344745482/unknown.png exposed for guaranteed privileged status or duo?
lament coral
I already dislike spear, don't need to hate the rail, too
exposed, for sure
doom's likely to expire before you start the second charge anyway
vestal parcel
Kree: Probably exposed, although you could take the duo and hope to sell it.
lament coral
you don't even need the duo, just get extended doom
novel python
pray for me that the skip works
lament coral
it'll die quickly even without Batty's help
5 minutes on the clock
you could down 3 Hydras with your setup
novel python
Nah I just wanted to be able to pull that out consistently
Now I got it just below 50%
First time I managed to do it it went down to 1/4 hp
It's not about time, it's about pushing my limits
It did still work, I only got 1 shield on hydra
novel python
Just trying to learn how to pull it out
Consistently
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/667871284264304640/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 aand check the timer
lament coral
less than a minute, nice
novel python
could've been faster
lament coral
it's probably easier to do with Extreme Hydra since the head moves less
novel python
havent seen haelian doing it with ex hydra
And tbh, it's a lot less distance to dash at the beginning
lament coral
it has more HP, I believe, so you gotta be more careful with the timing
novel python
To get to it
Ah
Tbh I just press companion instantly then try to apply priv status asap
novel python
ive seen one of his runs where he got both arte dash and arte attack, pommed them up and got himself 5 dashes
Haven't seen that much damage in my life
Also nemesis sword
And double dash attack hammer
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/667872629872656424/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 so when I'm looking for the duo I never get it and when I don't even need it it gets served to me
Do I even take it or get the rupture for the dash
Wait nevermind it's the goddamn shield, has knockbacks on everything
So it's extra damage on everything
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/667877116695674960/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 Good Riddance.
stuck bough
what is a recommended build for a 32 heat (normal) run?
hollow sorrel
The other option is Chaos Shield with Aphrodite attack and Ares special
toxic tusk
That might do good damage
hollow sorrel
I think someone did it with a Hestia rail, but I'm not sure if I'd recommend that. Either you're super committed to the Hestia rail, and would have tried it already, or it's not really an awesome choice
Chaos Shield with Ares special is also a bit goofy with the extra shield bounces, because you can spam it on things like the small chariots, to really kill them quickly