#h1-builds-and-combat

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lofty herald
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it's not nothing but for a room it's way better to just spam knockback

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especially in styx

supple haven
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I also find styx the easiest rooms tbh

stray frigate
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@supple haven what trinket do u use?

muted needle
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The only hard thing in styx is the regular end rooms with +60% jury duty

supple haven
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Esp coming from elysium with the shield champions and chariots

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My fav trinket is broken spear

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But most of the start out with coin purse

muted needle
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Even middle management styx isn't that bad

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The thing is if you can beat Elysium

stray frigate
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1% DR thx Bouldybouldy

muted needle
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You can beat Styx

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Unless you have a really bad aoe build

novel python
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Not if you get the heal on the first try

lofty herald
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i'm pretty sure the game won't let you

muted needle
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At least second, yeah

novel python
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Even second is bad

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For me at least

muted needle
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I always keep at least one bouldy keepsake around for the end

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To give a bit of healing if I need it

supple haven
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Yes I also have never gotten styx sack on first room

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So its coded so u cant?

stray frigate
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i forget it everytime(

supple haven
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Interesting

stray frigate
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i died last time

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of that

quasi arrow
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Any of you guys got the Chaos defiance boon yet? is it true it's considered legendary? the wiki doesn't say much.

muted needle
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Like 4 or 5 times

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Just remember that you must have a Chaos boon already

sand glade
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good lord

muted needle
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To be offered a legendary

novel python
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@quasi arrow that's the last I need too

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What does it give though

muted needle
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Extra death defiance

novel python
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Ah

muted needle
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It's not even good 90% of the time

stray frigate
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2 times for almost 90 runs

lofty herald
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does it count retroactively

muted needle
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I think I've only taken it because I needed it once

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Took it the first time for the prophecy

sand glade
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Wish Charon's Fountain would give me more Chaos Gate opnings

muted needle
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And always there's something better it seems

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It straight up adds a new DD

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Not refreshes one

supple haven
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Yeah

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So u can have up to 5 with tooth

quasi arrow
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yeah but for the quest though

muted needle
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But yeah to find it the first time just make sure you hit all the gates and pray

quasi arrow
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It drive me nuts seeing it greyed out like that.

supple haven
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Just keep buying all the chaos gates

muted needle
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If you find a run with chaos on the first room

novel python
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Using the egg might help

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I think

muted needle
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You can keep resetting that run

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And hope that you'll get chaos more often

woeful stirrup
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Last run I only got one chaos gate, and no well gave me the gate item. Still missing that legendary.

muted needle
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Not first room, first hallway, rather

quasi arrow
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For some reason when I have that egg chaos seem to hide more.

novel python
muted needle
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rail?

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yes

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still on eris?

novel python
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Yep, rail

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same run

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yeah

muted needle
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Yeah unless you're shooting for aphro legendary

novel python
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The bullet damage seems REALLY inconsistent though

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So I'm spamming special

muted needle
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rail special is a great place for weak imo

novel python
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I wanted to get her attack tbh but she's refusing

muted needle
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Get that on special

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Get dio attack

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8 stack poison 😄

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with eris

novel python
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I already have the infinite ammo, can't get the spread

muted needle
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Feels Melting Man

quasi arrow
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So good

unkempt ridge
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dont really need the spread for railgun poison

muted needle
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Yeah only if you're playing keepaway

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You have explosive right?

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That's great for poison too

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stacks slower

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but you stagger enemies

unkempt ridge
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yeah, aoe poison applications

muted needle
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So they still shouldn't be getting to you

novel python
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Zeus attack cast call? Id take the attack tbh, with infinite ammo

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And aim forjolted

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@muted needle I don't have explo yet, I was just asking in case I run into those options

unkempt ridge
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attack zeus is fine, but... it can feel weak later on if you dont get more zeus boons

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how far in are you?

novel python
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room 20 aspho

quasi arrow
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Zues is great for mobs but slow on bosses

unkempt ridge
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^

novel python
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It's either rare attack, epic cast or rare call

unkempt ridge
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I'd almost take zeus cast just to keep attack open for dio

muted needle
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cast

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zeus call on a ranged weapon is meh

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Zeus cast however

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Quite good

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Considering even on bosses

novel python
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What I really want is Support Fire

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Arte refuses to give that to me

muted needle
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It can chain from a wall hit to the boss

unkempt ridge
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start eris run, the first room is a hammer that gives infinite ammo

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yeeesssssss

novel python
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^ was the same for me

quasi arrow
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That with Zues attack

minor ice
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Smooth run I say

novel python
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Explo or Triple Bomb

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still explo?

stray frigate
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the moment you have Yxion in well....

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and dont have 40 gold(

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piercing or explosive rail for snotgun?

unkempt ridge
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explosive

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every time

sand glade
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So I just learned quickly that if you don't kill the enemies fast enough with Treasure Troves, it won't be 0. Somehow managed to get a healing reward of 15, with the start, I think, being 150 healing

stray frigate
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omg

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now i cant see ANYTHING

muted needle
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he fell for the xplosive shot meme LOL

stray frigate
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this fire cover enemy full

muted needle
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but for real tho it's the best rail upgrade by far

unkempt ridge
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why would you need to see the screen when everythings dead!

muted needle
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Even if you can't see anything once you use it

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Particularly explosive with the 5 shot hammer

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It's like a shotgun that shoots a mix of flashbangs and frag grenades

stray frigate
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and i have father breaking my face

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and cant even dodge it

muted needle
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@stray frigate There is no escape.

stray frigate
novel python
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This was the most calculated Theseus kill ever

stray frigate
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25 dodge or +3 dashes?(

novel python
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Throwing Zeus cast in the wall so it can hit him in the back

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Dashes

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Always

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Imo

stray frigate
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if i die - it's ur fault

novel python
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🙂

unkempt ridge
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I'm a huge fan of 25% dodge, but +3 dashes is pretty much a must

novel python
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It's fun to keep dashing through them with railgun to apply status and just keep shooting

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with 5 dashes

stray frigate
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i do not have statuses(

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only jolted this time

novel python
stray frigate
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i dont see any crit boons u already have

novel python
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PP

stray frigate
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ah

novel python
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And it's hestia, it'll crit a lot

stray frigate
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u point in that

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i would take mark

novel python
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I did take mark

stray frigate
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wow

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i reached Styx with full DD and hp

novel python
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Clean Kill, Quick reload or Call ( only epic is call )

stray frigate
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1st time 9 heat

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what first do?

novel python
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15% crit damage

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It's only normal sadly

stray frigate
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call imo

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high burst

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with hestia can be instakill someone

novel python
stray frigate
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totally

novel python
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Lightning rod is pretty lackluster and the hide breaker won't help me vs hades

stray frigate
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this duo is worst

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boon

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ever

unkempt ridge
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quick reload will unlock the extra ammo legendary boon for artemis, as well as exit wounds

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so if you're going cast build, thats the best choice

novel python
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I don't really use the casts though

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Not even sure what im doing here

stray frigate
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his build made not on cast imo

novel python
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got aphro special dio cast

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dio attack*

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zeus special

unkempt ridge
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eyyyy got support fire

novel python
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... F u 😦

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I want that

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Badly

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Is faster special even noticeable

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On rail

unkempt ridge
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ehhhhhh

novel python
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It's either that or flurry cast

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since I'm not touching greater haste

unkempt ridge
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I'd honestly take the flurry cast just so you can get your 3 casts out in fights faster

stray frigate
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i have problem with that cast boon

novel python
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Also I got 3 more tunnels, hp boon and blessed money. Should I risk my hp? Full HP and DDs

stray frigate
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when i want to hit enemy with ONE bloodstone

novel python
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Already found the sack

stray frigate
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but accidentally shot 2 or 3

stoic ginkgo
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Turns out hunting blades, Ares legendary, and 7 casts is completely busted. Who knew

pastel jolt
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you could have just said "hunting blades is busted" and called it a day

stoic ginkgo
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I was doing an Achilles Aspect run

stray frigate
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oh my

stoic ginkgo
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I kind of just stopped using my special

novel python
stray frigate
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i said

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it will be op

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and it could be even more

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if he has not this immunity phases

unkempt ridge
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and that would be why he has the immunity phases 😛

stray frigate
novel python
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Whose attack you want on Nemesis?

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Still Aphro?

stray frigate
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arte not?

unkempt ridge
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something with high damage %, or zeus

novel python
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zeus IF you get the flurry boon

unkempt ridge
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zeus can crit on nemesis, and aphrodite is a huge flat damage boost

novel python
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hammer*

solid cairn
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so I have chiron rank 3 and relentless barrage so I basically get to see what max is like

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and I like it way more than hera

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my bow is also super low heat so it'll be worth

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it's also good to have 1 aspect I like of each at high rank

unkempt ridge
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yeah I'm a huge fan of chiron bow

novel python
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Chiron with poseidon special with zeus duo

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Prepare to fry your GPU

unkempt ridge
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I actually crashed the game with that build on theseus

novel python
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My sound went funny for me

unkempt ridge
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11 shots, all knocking him back twice, and applying lightning, which also applied lightning twice

stray frigate
unkempt ridge
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game was like "nope"

novel python
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With a chance to apply lightning twice

unkempt ridge
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no, zeuses legendary, any lightning hit causes another 40 damage hit

novel python
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Ah

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That one

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Had that too

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But it was with Zeus Dio

stray frigate
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also u can surrender after Hades killed

novel python
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Um

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Guys?

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I'm getting world splitter first hammer

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Aphro still?

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Theres already crit chance on Nemesis from the special

solid cairn
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it does feel a little weak in terms of damage

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I'm on dio special

unkempt ridge
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aphrodite would be besty choice for world splitter

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IMO

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cinder, dio on the bow special is good, but you need to kite it out and try to apply it to as many enemies as possible instead of focusing down one

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attack one, special, dash so another enemy is in the way of the targeted, special, attack another unpoisoned enemy, special, repeat

novel python
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What do I aim for?

unkempt ridge
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heartbreak

muted needle
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poseidon or athena dash, artemis cast

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get two curses somehow

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and chop your way to victory

unkempt ridge
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^

novel python
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Poseidon would screw around with my special dash combo

unkempt ridge
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I wouldnt use poseidon dash tho, half the time you'll knock away what you wanted to attack

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yeah

novel python
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Since it'll push them away from the zone

stray frigate
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You know you play too much rail when you try to reload your bowshadedisgruntled

novel python
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I need to get doom on special

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And Pressure Points

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Asap

muted needle
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world splitter is slow enough that knockback dash keeps stuff off of you while you attack one target

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Also by the time your attack actually hits your target will have walked back into range

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world splitter is the one thing I do think sword + knockback dash is fine with

novel python
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Got abyssal strike

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This is gonna be one hell of a CHOP

muted needle
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Because you need to make enough space to be able to just chop away, not dash attack

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also keep in mind that knockback isn't an issue with the bosses

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just an easy way to get rupture and a curse on

stray frigate
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imagine hestia with good buffed Tomatos trinket

novel python
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Alright I got to the locked heart on sisy

unkempt ridge
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dare I ask what tomato's trinket is?

novel python
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that means I'll get the quest soon right

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@unkempt ridge thanatos

mighty ermine
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thanatos? butterfly?

unkempt ridge
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ah

novel python
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3% damage reduction, thanks bouldy!

stray frigate
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4% cast damage for me this time(

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3rd athena meeting still no dash((((

unkempt ridge
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does the zag aspect on the bow give 10% crit to everything? or just the attack

stray frigate
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2nd

unkempt ridge
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hm./ aspect would be much more interesting if it was a 10% crit chance across the board

novel python
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Athena Special, Call or Bronze Skin?

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id take the call just so I can chop in peace

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Without worrying about others tryina chop me down too lol

unkempt ridge
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I would take the call yeah

stray frigate
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and Aphro didnt gave me attack(

unkempt ridge
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6+ seconds of uninterupted chopping

stray frigate
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what a bad run(

novel python
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My attack just critted for 1k

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In Tartarus.

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Tf is this

unkempt ridge
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aphrodite with nemesis yeah?

novel python
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yep

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And world splitter

unkempt ridge
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there ya go

novel python
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3 poms on aphro too

unkempt ridge
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if you can get a chaos attack boon it'll crit for 2k

novel python
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I did get one already

unkempt ridge
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another one

novel python
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51%

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Do they stack? Last time I took 2 +rarity boons it took away my first one

unkempt ridge
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the damage boons and hp boons stack

novel python
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Hmm Dio or Ares on Special?

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For the 2nd status

unkempt ridge
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I'd do dio, the status effect lasts longer

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well...

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ares/aphro has a nice duo boon

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so really either way is goon

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good*

novel python
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Good Boon = Goon

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Here fixed it

unkempt ridge
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yeah, that

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.>

novel python
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Eurydice just kept singing when I entered, she didn't even acknowledge me

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😦

unkempt ridge
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you're visiting too often, its a subtle hint

novel python
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..

stray frigate
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she just for it

novel python
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I've almost killed both big Dusa and the stomper at the same time

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Super Nova or Armor Slayer?

unkempt ridge
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armor slayer

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being able to oneshot the armor on elites in styx is amazing

novel python
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Fml, too late, thought the nova would be better

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🤦‍♂️

unkempt ridge
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twin shot only applies the 40 damage from zeus/poseidon duo boon once

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I'm very upset about this

solid cairn
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already have chiron level 4

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I can understand why it wouldn't do well at high heat though

stray frigate
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bow?

novel python
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Too single target

stray frigate
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it's bad with room clearence

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slow

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cus there lots of monsters

solid cairn
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I can see that

stray frigate
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and u have lot of damage

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cus u waste lot time

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or should i say "get more dmg"?

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but it helped me beat ex hydra withoout having much troubles

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just now

scenic pecan
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I have a question. I just reached Elysium and took the owl keepsake to get Athena, my first room choice is Athena Boon or Daedelus. If I choose Daedelus, does that 'waste' bringing the Athena keepsake? If so, which is likely the stronger option?

stray frigate
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@scenic pecan u should have it later

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u may see 1 near trinket

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which means it still active

scenic pecan
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Okay, so if that goes away, it means Athena's appearance is my boon. Gotcha

unkempt ridge
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welp I just got my ass whooped by the murder boat

stray frigate
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mid man?

novel python
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Deadly Reversal or PP?

unkempt ridge
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mid man, 100% damage, and 40% more enemies

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it's like a rave party on that boat

stray frigate
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)

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i like that

novel python
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ew

stray frigate
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but i lose dd here usually too

novel python
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How consistent is Crit after Deflect?

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Got the athena Arte duo

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I have the dash

stray frigate
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if u have RELIABLE reflect source

novel python
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And the Call

mighty ermine
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usually very worth it considering you don't have to necessarily deflect anything

stray frigate
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i would take it

mighty ermine
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just things that DO deflect

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so dash into the enemy and then go to town

novel python
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And just as I was losing all my faith

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Hermes on styx gives me +3 dashes

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❤️

plush pond
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so I have just learned that if you take the pact punishment that adds the darkness cap and then you remove it after the run it doesnt re-level the things that were removed by the punishment

mighty ermine
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yeah, it's rather tedious

stray frigate
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failbag and click 50% rarity back is boring

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add shift click pls

novel python
muted needle
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hold the mouse button @novel python @mighty ermine

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it'll quickly go up

mighty ermine
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i mean, i'm aware of that

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still a bit tedious

muted needle
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I guess, it's not that bad though

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I mean it was bad before I realized you could hold the button down lol

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THAT was tedious

mighty ermine
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oof

stray frigate
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good advice sir!

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thx

muted needle
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whoops yeah meant to tag gz not you kree there

novel python
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Athena call was perfect for this fight, I just stood in papa's ass and chopped him down 😂

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Last phase

muted needle
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It's a nice touch

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I think my favorite line there is the defeated "Charon take me home"

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Very well voiced

novel python
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Charon ... take me home

stray frigate
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his voice so tired

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in that moment

novel python
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This is the first time I've used Athena's Call consistently

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Just so I can stay in people's faces and chop away

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Didn't get the 2k crits sadly but I was critting 1.2k consistently

pastel jolt
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charon.... take me home.... to the place......... i........... belong,,

muted needle
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WEST VIRGINIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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welp

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that only got out of my head like a week ago

stray frigate
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Hades 76

novel python
stray frigate
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wow

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Ex Mino

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is looks amazing!

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i wonder what can he do with me

novel python
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Do you want a spoiler?

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||he has a big ass tornado attack||

stray frigate
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i want to be alive after that

muted needle
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@stray frigate first time with EM elysium?

stray frigate
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and i still have Chaos curseshadeeyeroll

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y

muted needle
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😄 oh you are in for a treat at the end

stray frigate
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i guess it wont end well 4 me

novel python
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Break that chariot's wheels!

muted needle
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I will say I actually think on many weapons EM elysium is easier than reg elysium

novel python
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I've watched youtube, I kinda know how the fight is going on

muted needle
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The hardest fight in the game is EM hydra

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imo

novel python
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YOu just need to be careful about Theseus

muted needle
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And it's not good hard

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It's bad hard

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It's a game of don't stand in lava

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Which is not interesting or compelling

novel python
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We need a shield aspect that reflects damage taken to every enemy in your LoS

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Stay in lava and kill stuff

muted needle
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I expect that both versions of hydra won't make it to release

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As is at least

novel python
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So you expect them to change EM hydra

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Hope so

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I didn't have the balls to fight that yet

muted needle
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By the way, today I learned that a tie with Thanatos still gives you a heart

novel python
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^ yep, happened yesterday

mighty ermine
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he's a good sport

muted needle
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This was my first tie in 40? 50? times of seeing him

novel python
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Also TIL Chiron is crap at competing with Thanatos.

muted needle
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It's generally a Slaughter one way or the other

stray frigate
muted needle
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^ yep it was a chiron run that tied

stray frigate
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all i wanted is athena dash

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still didnt get it lol

novel python
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I need that legendary

muted needle
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All you got is a bunch of moon runes 😛

novel python
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To finish the Prophecy

muted needle
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Athena legendary is so good tho

novel python
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I need legendaries for Athena, Dio and Ares

stray frigate
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and i won ex mino with no Q

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not losing any DD

novel python
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Did he spin in your face

muted needle
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I've given up athena dash after getting the leggy before because I wanted artemis dash

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And it was just fine

stray frigate
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i use Chiron

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so no

muted needle
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@stray frigate awesome gl on the combined fight 🙂

novel python
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Also, is it worth doing some 0 heat runs just to get the legendaries

stray frigate
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i will have my hands free

novel python
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So I can finish my prophecies

muted needle
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I did

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Why not

stray frigate
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i did 0 heat run

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with spear to get last hammer upgrade

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and died with T&M

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WHAT

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A

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SHAME

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hate spear

novel python
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I usually get to one point in every game when if I don't do something that helps me progress it's not fun for me anymore

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So doing 0 heat runs.. idk

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I might need to do lotsa 1 heat runs though

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To finish the Harsh Conditions

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If you have Underworld Customs activated, do you get to choose which boon you're losing?

stray frigate
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yes

unkempt ridge
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you have to use the boon removal fountain

stray frigate
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u not losing

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u sell it

novel python
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Ahh

unkempt ridge
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so you get to choose 1 of the 3 that it offers

stray frigate
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so it's better than it sounds

novel python
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How do I get Sisy's Favor quest though?

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I gifted him until I got to a locked heart

stray frigate
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did u speak with bouldty?

solid cairn
novel python
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Yep

stray frigate
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did u have Meg scene in his room?

novel python
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I did not check that tbh

muted needle
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need to talk to meg and hades respectively

novel python
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Ah

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Meg is nowhere in the house 😦

muted needle
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It might take a run or five to sort it out

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You'll need to talk to them

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at some point

novel python
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So Meg first I guess? I have no option to talk to Hades

muted needle
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Possibly, it's been a while

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If you've talked to bouldy just keep playing

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Things should work out at some point

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Just keep trying to give him stuff

novel python
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not sure if it's worth pouring ambrosia into Battie

muted needle
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Also keep in mind you'll need 10 diamonds

novel python
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Since most of the time I forget about it

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And not even usei t

muted needle
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I have only maxed battie and shady

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but I almost always just use shady

novel python
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Ah right, there's skelly that needs gifts too

stray frigate
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yes finally Hammer for special

novel python
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I mean, skelly ive heard that it's a real help on ex hydra fight

stray frigate
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his summ?

novel python
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ye

pure junco
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I'm about to do a 40 heat run lol

stray frigate
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can you use it?

pure junco
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I need punishment

stray frigate
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here

muted needle
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forty

novel python
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Mad lad

pure junco
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Just no time limit

novel python
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There's a dude on yt doing a 32 heat run with Butterfly

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The video is 33 mins long, I guess it might be a loss

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Will check it when I go to sleep

pure junco
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How does budget cuts work?

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Does it pre-select your mirror bonuses?

muted needle
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No

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it just takes them all away

pure junco
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Oof

muted needle
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and you have to select what you want

pure junco
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OK

novel python
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Thats harsh

pure junco
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Ah

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Now I see

muted needle
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I generally don't go down to the 500 limit

pure junco
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Why not

muted needle
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only the 1k so I can take privileged status, 2 dd and dash

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You can only take 1 dd with the 500 limit

pure junco
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Priveleged status + 1 DD + 1 Dash + 25 more life total.

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And 1 more cast

scenic pecan
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Question: How does Hera aspect of Coronacht interact with boons like Ares cast, or Artemis boons regarding cast exiting imbedded victims sooner, etc...?

pure junco
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Going max Hestia aspect so not that bad.

turbid needle
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Hera's level bonus does not affect Ares or Dionysus Cast.

muted needle
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Ah yeah that's ok

scenic pecan
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So you can't load those casts into the bow with the Hera Aspect?

pure junco
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Basic tidal dash first boon lololol

turbid needle
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Quick Reload drops the time even further. I've got level 5 Hera (5 seconds) and Quick Reload usually drops it to under 3.

mild crag
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Take boiling blood instead of status for hestia RaphiYeah

pure junco
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Chaos gate first room o.o

turbid needle
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You can load those Casts, but because they do not stick in enemies, leveling Hera does not benefit them.

scenic pecan
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Okay, will they fire and all that?

stray frigate
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@scenic pecan y

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Dio cast is my fav with hera

pure junco
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Not worth, 70% more foes for a special I won't use.

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Unless I get rocket I guess

scenic pecan
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And boons all work fine, just levelling Hera is irrelevant? Thanks, was thinking of experimenting with a bowcaster build

stray frigate
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@turbid needle there is also no sense cus stones back FASTER than 5 sec

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@scenic pecan try dio and Zeus/Dio

pure junco
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40 heat is easy change my mind.

stray frigate
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i met Athena 5 times

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and still didnt have dash(

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ok time for ex t&m

blazing mulch
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hmmm

stray frigate
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easy

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so

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easy

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ex hydra is WAY harder

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lost 39 hp

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yes it's only 7 heat but anyway

pure junco
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sigh

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It's pretty hard, I lied.

fallen quarry
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I'm 0/3 on 32 heat :( 2 times I timed out in the thesus fight, other I timed out just before his fight.

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sooo many enemies and so little time to clear it all

scenic pecan
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Strategy question: Is it better to get the boon you need at a low rarity, or get a higher rarity boon you also like but don't need and hope to get the desired boon again later?

sand glade
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How much heat is it where you max ALL the punishments to their fullest? Also what happens if you fail the Timed punishment?

pure junco
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45

stray frigate
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@sand glade u start to lose -5 hp per sec

pure junco
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If the time runs out, you start taking 5 tick damage, I'm not sure how often though. But you will die.

scenic pecan
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Any opinions?

stray frigate
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about?

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oh

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i missed ur question sorry man

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well

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rarity change only START numbers and scales

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if ur build hardly requires that boon

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u better take it and upgrade 3-4 times it with pom

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and it will be almost same effective

pure junco
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I hate when it keeps crossing out the 1 blessing I need out of the 3...

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I needed my attacks that can deflect make foes exposed and it crossed it out.

mild crag
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The fates believe themselves humorous

sand glade
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So what's the limit on the timed punishment, since they don't stack how much extra time you have after clearing a region? I can't say it'd be realistic to clear Tartarus in, say, 5 minutes. It definitely took me roughly 7 to clear Elysium and I was lucky that the Temple of Styx didn't devour 4 minutes going through linear mazes to find the stack before fighting both phases of Hades. o .o

mild crag
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7 minutes isn't enough for Elysium at high heat

pure junco
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You get 9 minutes for each act, then 7 at highest

scenic pecan
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I'm working towards the Zeus duo boon with Dionysus for this Hera build @stray frigate Early on Dio offered the tipsy shot, but it was two rarities below the other two, so I took one of those. I have no idea how important the number changes on starting bonuses are for each boon

mild crag
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So I've been like pls nerf deadline

pure junco
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It's a nice challenge

stray frigate
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@scenic pecan i would take Tipsy anyway

pure junco
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If it's too hard for you then don't put it on.

mild crag
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It's luck based

stray frigate
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also u can met Euro and abuse her 1st gift untill she make your cast beter

sand glade
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I mean, if I want to get all the rewards I can, I'm going to EVENTUALLY have to try all of them maxed. Because I can tick past the maxed punishment of every other option.

pure junco
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Euro?

scenic pecan
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Yeah, I goofed on Dio, ohwell.

pure junco
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I swear that the crossing out one "random" boon is not random at all

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I have options of basic, basic, or legendary Second Wave, and it picked Second Wave.

scenic pecan
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Personally, I think just showing you 2 options would feel less bad, so you wouldn't see it block the boon you'd prefer

fallen quarry
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I think it'd be nice if tight deadline timer was reduced, but no longer applied to the final boss fight for each zone

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it would open up the game to running a lot more builds at high heat

mild crag
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No that just skews builds even more towards heavy AoE builds

sand glade
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I like that I've not really died much since reaching 60% damage resistance.

mild crag
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And takes away single target builds advantage of being quick on the bosses

sand glade
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so much so that when I do die, I forget that I'm even at 60+%

fallen quarry
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what do you mean by that? I run dash attack sword for example, I wouldn't call that aoe compared to like the chaos shield, or explosive rounds hestia shot

mild crag
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Yeah explosive rounds hestia aspect is an example

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But if you pick hestia and get neither piercing or explosive

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Then you won't be able to clear rooms in time

fallen quarry
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by the time you'd run into issues, you should have something going

radiant basin
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I hate 7m deadline when you get screwed in styx more, feels so bad

fallen quarry
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namely elysium

mild crag
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You run into issues in Tartarus if you're playing at max heat

fallen quarry
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I've not had issues in styx, only elysium on the current deadline

radiant basin
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you've never gotten the stupid idiot dumb terrible sack on the very last passage?

mild crag
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Whereas other builds can get me to furies with like two minutes to spare

fallen quarry
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while I don't use all the aspects, the spera is the only weapon I don't use

radiant basin
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🙃

fallen quarry
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I've had the sack on the last door several times

mild crag
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Room full of elite numbskulls with no aoe is a horror story

minor ice
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Alright I just want to say multiple spear attack is god good.

fallen quarry
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I run numbskulls without aoe all the time...

mild crag
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At 46 heat?

fallen quarry
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24-32

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lol... 46 heat...

mild crag
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lol

fallen quarry
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gl doing anything at 46 heat

mild crag
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Pfft

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I've gotten to the last phases of hydra at 46

fallen quarry
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you might be able to get a little over halfway in elysium :D

mild crag
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Tru

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Because of deadline more like than not

fallen quarry
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yeah, I don't believe the game is intended to be possible with all the heat on

mild crag
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I think it used to not be but it might be now

radiant basin
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I think they'll tweak deadline

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there's no way they wont right its brutal with rng on just 32

mild crag
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I think it should be 6/7/8/9

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Or maybe 7/8/9/10

pure junco
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It's so not random omg, I got offered the legendary boon over two rares and it picked it again.

mild crag
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I know it was too easy before

fallen quarry
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I haven't tried 32 heat on the spear or bow, but using hestia rail, nemesis sword, and chaos shield

mild crag
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When it increased by 2 minutes each biome

fallen quarry
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elysium has been the only hiccup I've run into

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and turning the heat down to sacrifice time, I've always found elysium takes longer than styx

radiant basin
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I had a run on zag rail where I must have taken like at least 7 zeus and didnt get lightning attack or any lightning upgrades

mild crag
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Styx is really hard to balance for deadline since it has such high variance

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Even compared to elysium

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Room of 10 elite shield guy lookin ass

fallen quarry
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rng of bag in room 2-6, makes it strange to balance time around

mild crag
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My other opinion on styx is they could deadline each wing

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Like 2 minutes to complete a wing

radiant basin
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I think I just like the idea someone else said earlier that you're guaranteed to get it at least 2nd to last wing

fallen quarry
#

another issue I have though, being able to clear elysium under high heat, by the time I reach styx, I'm pretty decked out

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so styx becomes a breeze by that point, since there are nowhere near the number of enemy spawns

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smaller roooms too

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which favors both single target and aoe

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compared to chasing things down in elysium with melee

radiant basin
#

I've gotten bad rng on boons for an entire run before multiple times

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with no customs / the other one

mild crag
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Yeah I don't think styx is harder than elysium

pure junco
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I have no idea what just happened, but I was on 2nd phase of Hades and I got hit by a green urn trap, then the wave, then something else, and I had no opportunity to dodge?

radiant basin
#

The green urns root you

fallen quarry
#

the urns stun you if they hit you

pure junco
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Oof

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I thought you got a little bit of invincibility after getting hit a lot in a row (no, not spear tip).

radiant basin
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You do but I think there is a damage threshold for a small window, not sure of the specifics

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I thin kits 50% of your hp

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cant remember

fallen quarry
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yeah, you have to take a certain amount of damage for invuln

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the urn and wave don't hit that hard

pure junco
#

K

radiant basin
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its also likely that the hits were too spread out in time

mild crag
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What heat were you on

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If you had heightened security I would have expected the impervious to activate

woeful stirrup
#

Just faced Murder Boat with Middle Management and the Chaos curse where enemies throw inferno bombs when they die. Thank Hades for Bouldy.

pure junco
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No heightened security, Kossetsu.

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Middle Management on head and big rock man is so annoying...

solid cairn
#

for eurydice, level is usually the better choice than rarity right

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for most boons

pallid dagger
#

it depends on what you're after

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if you're trying to complete the game and have already collected the boons that'll carry you through it, go for pom porridge

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if you're trying to collect rare boons or need to make up for a kind-of-crap-so-far run midway through asphodel, go for rarity (future boons, not rarity on the ones you already have)

fallen quarry
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Oh, eurydice can now turn epic to heoric, including hermes boons

scenic pecan
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How does Burst Cast function with Ares Rift Blades? It fires two blade rifts? Sounds kinda nuts

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Is the question too dumb to merit a response, or did everyone wander off? lol, debating whether I'm grabbing that based on whether or not it works as I'm asking of there's some quirk under the hood. (I've very accustomed to things having weird interaction quirks)

kind fiber
#

Burst cast? Which thing is that? The answer without knowing for sure what you are talking about is probably yes, because there are two things that I can think of in the game where the answer is indeed yes

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@scenic pecan

mild crag
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I imagine it's the Artemis boon which fires a second cast

scenic pecan
#

^

kind fiber
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Yes

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The answer is yes

scenic pecan
#

So there is no weird quirk that would make it a poor choice with the blades? Nice. Blades for EVERYONE!

kind fiber
#

well

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there are duo boons that don't make sense with the blades

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Scintillating feast for one

scenic pecan
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Well, yeah, since that's tied to Dio's cast

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If you don't have Dio's cast, that boon would be... useless.

kind fiber
#

yes

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There are a number of boons like that

scenic pecan
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I'm working toward Hunting Blades

kind fiber
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as well as fast reload

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since.... its never in an enemy

scenic pecan
#

Yeah.

fallen quarry
#

anddd 32 heat complete

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bag was in the 5th room, and it took me 20:32 to clear :d

pallid dagger
#

damn dude

fallen quarry
#

Zag seems to really like the 3rd skelly statue, lol

pallid dagger
#

any tips from casual players on how to do a run with Coronacht?

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I think I'm learning Stygius fairly well, but it's still kinda luck-based

muted needle
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take your time

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you have to play it much more defensively and passively than sword/spear/shield

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Get used to kiting and moving

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Get used to the timing for how long it takes to do a dash attack

fallen quarry
#

probably what makes the biggest difference is being familiar with the enemies you fight

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a lot of the game as you turn up the heat comes down to attacking them when they are vulnerable, and when to be and how far to be away from them

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and that varies weapon to weapon

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do you use mouse and keyboard or controller?

cedar remnant
#

what is the best attack boon for hestia?

muted needle
#

Aphrodite

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have crit including maybe Artemis on special

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To proc Marked

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Big numbers

cedar remnant
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thx, i'll try it soon

muted needle
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Basically for Hestia in my opinion you want Aphrodite>Artemis=Poseidon=Athena>anything else

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Whatever has a high damage modifier

tawdry jackal
#

guys, has anyone ever gotten more than 8 Casts in a run?
my max was 8 (2 Casts from Chaos + 3 from Artemis)
do you think its possible to get a 9nth cast, other than temporary prometheus stone?

muted needle
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My max was 7 but it was kind of 10.5 because of a bunch of 50% duplicates out there on a ridiculous hunting blades run

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"Cast damage bonus: +1%"

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I guess I didn't believe in Bouldy hard enough

halcyon cedar
#

what is "rank", in some mirror of night, each rank gives you bla bla bla

so the chamber door there the skull thingy is rank up? or the rank up thingy is permanent up for each run and will getting harder if i always choose skull thingy until i die

sand glade
#

For the keepsakes?

random bronze
#

Opinions on the most OP boon combos currently? (Besides hunter blades)

turbid needle
#

And Merciful End?

random bronze
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Haven't tried merciful end yet

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What does it pair well with?

unkempt pagoda
#

the pair is required for the duo so :V

random bronze
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Like weapon combos and stuff

turbid needle
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Literally every weapon, little worse on the bow than others.

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Do you know what it does?

random bronze
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Deflect activates doom

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Last run I did aphro/area with the gun that was fun

gray lodge
#

Hermes / aphrodite, or Hermes / artemis or a Poseidon/posiedon/posiedon make for really great casting builds. Especially with Poseidon Stygian or Hera Bow. Casting builds are the fastest way to build heat imo.

Aprhrodite's legendary boon with any rapid fire attack is a gg for final boss

Dionysus and Ares, are the weakest imo because they don't give you stable cc, or large modifiers for your attack, i just use them to stack curses, depending on what weapon.

Athena's dash is just broken on its own.

Pretty much any duo is a huge boost, minus the two with aphrodite that are only useful in realm 1 and maybe 2.

I think keepsakes are far more important, bone hourglass for realm 2/3 and broken spearpoint for realm 4, make things very easy. You can even buy buffs at the end of realm 3 b4 you swap for realm 4, which often leads me to having an extra 30% boost for hades

random bronze
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I've mostly been using my keepsakes to try and get specific boons. Should probably switch up my playstyle

gray lodge
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Granted I don't use the heat to reduce my ability to select boons, they have not made or break my runs. The healing you get from Broken Hourglass has saved me from using only 1 defiance in the last 10 runs I've had. Broken spearpoint is just over powered and makes satyr poison do squat, and allows you to just stare hades to death while you click as fast as you can

woeful stirrup
#

@slim kernel If playing on Steam, F12 will take a screenshot. You can also go into the settings to bind a key to take a screenshot, which will go in your Documents (this second option works both for the Steam and Epic versions).

analog sail
#

You can press f11 to screenshot without Steam.

proper jolt
#

I really wish charm worked well I hardly ever go for Aphrodite's boons

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Weak is good though

edgy fox
#

i have alot to learn....

terse marsh
#

The legendary boon can be quite strong with the right build

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But also weak is amazinggg

woeful stirrup
#

Doesn't matter to me, since I can't get Aphro's legendary. Hell, in the last two Aphro runs I did, I didn't even get any of her tier 2 boons. The Fates are plotting against me, I tell you!

proper jolt
#

This game is something different first game I've ever really felt great at

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Even tho Im no wear near close to great

pallid sky
edgy fox
#

Is their a link to guides for different builds and stuff?

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There*

wispy wagon
#

But I think getting every bounty for real is finally enough to get me to take a break until next update

thorny tiger
#

so far my favorite build is the bow with Chiron aspect to max, and then get dionysus special. they take 45 dps from poison alone

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and then get literally anything else as your other boons

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I also like pairing it with the daedalus hammer where you don't have to charge on your bow anymore, just auto shoot so you can special more quickly too

wooden lodge
#

hah

#

even for you the heart-seeking bow is still your slowest weapon

#

it's just so clunky

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Maclunkey

#

someone recommended being able to move and charge your bow at the same time - YES

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this should be in the game

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the bow's attacks all force you to become immobile

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special makes you pause mid-stride

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the charge makes you stop and become a sitting duck

karmic coyote
#

doesn't know how to use a weapon efficiently ≠ the weapon is bad

wispy wagon
#

Bow is my slowest just cause it was my first to 20

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If I did a new run with it after doing all the others I could probably shave some time off

karmic coyote
#

20 is really fast already

wooden lodge
#

the bow is the worst weapon

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shield is the best weapon

fallow niche
#

The bow is consistently the clunkiest weapon in my experience

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Rail is faster paced long range combat that still does more damage

vestal parcel
#

Wow, I'm used to thinking of the spear as one of my weaker weapons, but I just had one of my best builds ever with it.

fallow niche
#

Spear is bonkers when built well

turbid needle
#

Greetings.

vestal parcel
#

Got flurry strike in the first room, artemis special+attack, bunch of other artemis upgrades.

fallow niche
#

I wish I could get a good spin build going for it but it feels a lot riskier and less rewarding than a special build

vestal parcel
#

And then hunting blades just to make it ridiculous.

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Achilles spear, although I didn't use the special-dash much by the end. The plain old attack was just melting everything.

wooden lodge
#

spear's special is awful

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until it isn't

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when you understand the special's power and versatility it's really, really good

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it can allow you to teleport

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it can give you backstab damage

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it can snipe

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it can even mimic the shield's special in bouncing among enemies

#

ok here's a fun thought

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the bow sucks

#

this is a fact, especially compared to other weapons

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but the funny thing is, the shield already has an upgrade that turns it into the bow

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I'm talking about the piercing shot shield upgrade, which removes bull rush and gives you a bow-esque shot

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it deals 80 damage at base, renders you immobile, and the shot pierces enemies

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you know what the difference is?

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when you charge with the bow, you're a sitting duck

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when you charge a shield shot, your front side is defended

#

this is a huuuuge difference

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the bow's main attack is inferior to another's weapon's mimicry of its main attack

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also the bow's main attack deals 20-50 damage according to the wiki, while no matter the charge, the shield's shot always does 80 damage (charging it only affects the range of the shot)

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the bow's power shot also only does 60 damage

elfin wagon
#

Hmm the bow's advantage is that it's ranged and piercing. Most of the melees are stronger but needs you to get up close

turbid needle
#

The Bow Aspect with the mark and special attack is not bad at all actually, but not for doing heat runs imho.

#

Shield is great in any situation.

elfin wagon
#

Try using more dash attacks to speed up the charges. And bows are meant to synergize more with hit and run like Ares

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But yeah, shields are really versatile

opal bay
#

Doesn't bow automatically aim sometimes?

turbid needle
#

My most fun time build I ever had with the Heron Bow Aspect, was with Dionysus and Artemis.

opal bay
#

Also hot take: Zeus Shield>Chaos Shield.

turbid needle
#

@opal bay Heron Bow Aspect is letting you hit one enemy with a normal attack and then spam special three times in like 3 seconds which focusing all of the throwable arrows from special to homing attack the enemy you marked.

mild crag
#

That take is hot as phlegethon

turbid needle
#

Depends, Zeus's Shield is beautiful and has nice throw, but Chaos is just unmatched, since, you can throw multiple shields, still defend yourself and basically wreck everything.

#

The spread AoE is more valuable for me at least.

#

Achilles' Spear is also a good choice, once you learn how to teleport properly with that, it's over for the enemies, including bosses.

terse marsh
#

I agree the Zeus shield is indeed pretty

opal bay
#

I did some runs with Herons aspect, fun, though yeah sucks if I can't find something to fit well for how it is.
As for Chaos Aspect I dunno, it's nice to have multiple shields, but you need to bull rush every time for it and again that seems a bit of time waste when you can just do light attacks over and over, unless we are in a battle with very questionable attack pattern and we have time, then bull rushing and sending chaos shields is good, but it feels more reliable to have zeus shield that can follow you along the enemy or keep someone in check if they stand around one area long enough.

turbid needle
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Think about bosses with mobility and enemies that are multiplying and nagging you all the time, not gonna name them here to avoid spoilers, but Chaos at least has been worth my time, also the upgrade to remove bull rush is making the shield S tier.

#

But it really depends on the rng or how soon you gonna get the upgrade and which Gods you gonna unlock.

fallow niche
#

Chaos shield is easily the most powerful weapon in the game

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Zeus shield isn't even close

turbid needle
#

For Chaos Shield with/without bull rush I am always going for Ares and Athena for the pain and the exploit.

#

Forgot the actual official names from Ares and Athena's skills. ^

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Doom for Ares I think

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And reveal or something for Athena

karmic coyote
#

Merciful End?

neon bough
#

Dio+Aphro is almost as broken

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on chaos shield

turbid needle
#

Exposed

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Doom+Exposed

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It's like not showing mercy at all for anything in the game.

#

And I agree, with Nicolai.

fallow niche
#

If you can get an early Zeus + Poseidon duo then its also insane

wispy wagon
#

Merciful End Ares Special Chaos Shield is the speedrun build of choice I believe

turbid needle
#

Can't remember but does Poseidon's ability work against yellow guard health enemies?

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Yeah, there's a guy on YT who actually finished it really fast on a speedrun and it was his choice, which I think it's possibly one of the very good choices out there.

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Not to mention Herme's haste is ALWAYS a welcomed addition, am I right?

fallow niche
#

@wispy wagon Its probably the most powerful and both Artemis and Ares just have incredible boons on their own without relying on synergies either

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If they get lucky they also go for Athena for the deflect dash

terse marsh
#

So I have a question -- I'm at heat 10 now, and I've been finding that the 60 damage on shield return buff + aphrodite special damage boon obliterates everything. Like totally mindless everything drops dead (picking up other boons along the way). I'm assuming that stops being true, but most of the heat buffs don't seem like it'd stop that?

wispy wagon
#

Thinking about it anytime I get an Athena Duo the run goes really well just cause of how good they are

fallow niche
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@terse marsh That hammer upgrade is just good in general

wispy wagon
#

That and they usually can be gotten just with Deflect Dash, only Phalanx requires anything specific.

fallow niche
#

Both artemis AND ares have insane Athena duos

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Most of the gods wish they had as good lineups as those two

wispy wagon
#

Merciful End, Deadly Reversal, and Spent Spirit all just make things go so smoothly

fallow niche
#

I almost never want to pick any other gods besides Athena, Artemis, and Ares. The triple A squad

wispy wagon
#

Makes me wonder if whoever the next god is (even if there is a common guess who it is because of the trailer) will also get to have a nice Athena Duo Boon

pallid sky
#

theres a trailer?

fallow niche
pallid sky
#

ty

fallow niche
#

Wow I'm really glad I never watched it before getting this far

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It spoils a lot of the fun

pallid sky
#

oh yeah thats a cornucopia alright

frosty pier
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Still better than the first trailer they made.

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That one is almost painfull to watch now.

pallid sky
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idk man

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scrolling the patch notes seems a little embarassing

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just my take

fallow niche
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Does Extended Jab have an effect on the spear spin attack? It says the attack has longer range but I don't know if that carries over to the spin attack at all

opal bay
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Nope I don't think

fallow niche
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Real shame, no spin attack build this time I guess, hammer off the start and the other two choices are special buffs

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Bazooka time again it seems

pallid sky
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extended jab is my favourite

wooden lodge
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extended jab is ok

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I prefer dash attack buffs for the sword/lance/shield

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and if I'm going for spin attacks, I go hard

terse marsh
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So I don't actually know but I"ve been assuming there's a fix number of rooms per area

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Is that true and does chaos gate count as one?

frosty pier
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In some cases it adds additional room

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Ok, in one case. You cant skip pre-boss room, it spits you out in the shop.

terse marsh
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Ah okay but otherwise it consumes a room? Thanks!

frosty pier
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Yup.

unborn trellis
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suggestion: DMC/Bayonetta style taunt button for skilled players. it would be a good opportunity for more Zag sass lines.

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was there a way to make the bot take note of these or am i confusing it with another server?

frosty pier
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Confusion indeed.

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Here we just getting deleted for swears.

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You could post it to feedback

terse marsh
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How does one acquire the ability to post to feedback?

karmic coyote
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make it like metal gear rising too where Sam's taunting enrages enemies, increase their damage and aggressiveness but lower defense

worldly mauve
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check pins? there should be one telling you how to.

terse marsh
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Ooh so there is, I'd looked at the welcome thread before hoping to find it 😅

worldly mauve
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rooThink sry i forget where dat pin is

terse marsh
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It's in hades-feedback, I checkd after you suggested

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Thanks 🙂

worldly mauve
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shadesmile yer welcome

terse marsh
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Huh, 32 heat you can exactly avoid budget cuts, no choice, and tight deadline

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That's nice

worldly mauve
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rooThink could work. I usually choose budget cut over that extra enemies one.

terse marsh
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Yeah I was considering budget cuts still

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No Choice and Tight Deadline seem like the worst though

worldly mauve
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tight deadline with extra enemies is painful specially when you have that transport mini boss in Asphodel and generally the whole Elysium.

terse marsh
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My fastest run at all is 25 min so... tight deadline seems hard 😐

worldly mauve
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NO choice is a bit of annoying. luck out

terse marsh
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But also I went from 9 heat -> 16 and now I'll probably try 32 because game progress seems kinda slow and I wanna see the third statue :p

worldly mauve
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i'm a tiny weeny bit better so i have 1 tight deadline.

terse marsh
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So I might get destroyed who knows

worldly mauve
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good luck with that. LOL.

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statue tricked us all isn't it

terse marsh
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2nd statue for sure

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No spoilers on the third though :p

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I'll probably try tomorrow evening though, off to sleep. Night!

worldly mauve
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hokuLUL night!

placid plinth
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Huh, heat option that increases trap damage, moved Athena trap resistance boon from D tier to A tier

worldly mauve
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kinda does

fallow niche
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WOAH I just discovered an exploit

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You can turn off the hydra with bouldy 😂

opal bay
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w-what?

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as in?

fallow niche
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The gold the rock drops literally blocks the hydra

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And it just jerks around it and never attacks

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So you can just beat it up

worldly mauve
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rooThink wait what you can do that?

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Huge obol as a shield?

grand patrol
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OMG WHAT

fallow niche
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yup

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its amazing

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just did it again on bull man in elysium and almost blocked him from leaving when i beat him sweats

worldly mauve
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sheeet I need to try that

grand patrol
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good luck im behinnd 100 obol

fallow niche
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bouldy looks like it can probably do some crazy glitches the more I'm using it

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But the hydra thing is not what I expected

worldly mauve
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I'm so stupid I always picks all the obols up asap

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btw do you know using meg's skill can overkill hydra b4 it even spawns more snek heads

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cpthink but then they still spawn after hydra's death.

fallow niche
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I've seen speedrunners do that

worldly mauve
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||so like skelly is losing his job to bouldy now?||

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dank it works

spare iron
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I wish there were a go to boss option directly, like in StS. Rare, but it would skip the tunnels once in a while you know

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StS: slay the spire

worldly mauve
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Bossrush?

spare iron
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Yeah. I mean it might be a chaos thing as well

worldly mauve
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cpthink good idea

spare iron
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Drawback would be you don't get the shop at 4th act. That's a pretty good one tbh

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And tunnel goodies as well

worldly mauve
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welp trying to ||find the sack|| wasn't too bad tho.

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I'm ok with it, adds more randomness to the run.

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I wouldn't mind a boss rush mode too tho.wheeze

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just to test out boons and speedrun

spare iron
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@worldly mauve of course. The last act is fun and challenging at the same time. This would just be an option, if you were to feel like you got everything to take down the final boss

worldly mauve
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wheeze I hate the last Charon shop. so tempting but I can't afford to buy all.

fallow niche
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I can usually all/most of it unless that one heat modifier is on

worldly mauve
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my higher shop price one is almost always on

unborn trellis
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and you have nobody to blame but yourself

worldly mauve
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i blame high heat

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but yes ultimately myself

wind vale
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as i said yesterday - another go with worldsplitter

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as a strong independent zag who dont need no gods

fallow niche
worldly mauve
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hardcore

unborn trellis
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how do you avoid picking up boons

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do you just sell them at the last area transition?

worldly mauve
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cpthink I guess sell everything at the transition and roll if unavoidable

wind vale
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i try to avoid them as much as possible for hp ofc

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but i got a few i couldnt avoid but never more than i could sell

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(2 at the end of tartarus and 2 asphodel, 0 after)

worldly mauve
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manual hell mode

wind vale
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also never had anything that benefitted me(cast or call i didnt use)

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its not that hard, just lucky to be able to avoid it

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and when it happens i get so much hp its no problem

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and world splitter(or before explosive shot with the bow) does enough damage

worldly mauve
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well splitter is buffed compare to previous updates

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still sounds hard to me

fallow niche
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I mean

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With no heat modifiers

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The game isn't that hard

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As long as you got the full mirror

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There is more progression than simply boons

wind vale
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exactly - and in both cases i got crit chance from the weapon aspect as well

manic ermine
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I managed it with shield laser and powershot

fallow niche
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Mirror and weapon aspect upgrading isn't vanilla

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Still impressive though

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Good job @wind vale

wind vale
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ty

fallow niche
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Still gonna always roll cast sword

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I feel like a wizard except my wand is a giant broadsword

wind vale
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yea its good but for wizzard play i prefer achilles spear

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i get to prepare spells, teleport around and have so strong spells

fallow niche
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Zag spear is for bazooka time

worldly mauve
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oh.. yeah.. I'm used to 10+ heats I forget no heat.

novel python
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EX Hydra gives a new meaning to "the floor is lava"

worldly mauve
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which the floor ||IS lava||.

novel python
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Especially in the last phase

wind vale
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depends

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poison scales better than everything else with multiple poms

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and it benefits from privileged status a lot

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but it does disconnect the damage from the attack, so+attack damage for example does nothing

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(also for single target the dio+aphrodite duo is huge and also ensures privileged status)