#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 337

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:27 AM

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or not i mean

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:27 AM

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introducing new mechanics as the person earns the points to buy them both introduces a "I'm getting something for playing" as well as a way to lower the learning curve

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:27 AM

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without being completely unfair

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:27 AM

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well if 0 heat really is balanced for 50 starting hp

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double damage across the board

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but somehow i doubt that

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i think were supposed to lose

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:27 AM

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and for the first 10 games, you're learning the enemies patterns

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:28 AM

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the farthest I've gotten on a fresh save is just past hydra

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and very barely that

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I think I'm an average action game player, not terrible but not great

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:28 AM

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i too am pretty bad

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:28 AM

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I dont think beating it 1st time is easy for anyone though

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:29 AM

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this is the core of my issue

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well it shouldn't be "easy"

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Well I dont think it's impossible either

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:29 AM

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but it should be doable

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of course its not strictly impossible

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i mean dudes do zero hit dark souls runs

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:29 AM

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ugh only a minute away from my best time https://i.imgur.com/Sk0LCTo.jpg

Imgur

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turns out the shield's 80 damage power shot, mixed with bullrush dealing 400% armor damage, is extremely potent

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:33 AM

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are you using/approximating the speedrun build? im so terrible w shield

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:33 AM

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no clue

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I just do whatever hits my fancy

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:33 AM

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ahh

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:33 AM

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this one was artemis shield shot main, ares special

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:34 AM

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ares special chaos shield is the speedrun build 😉

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but they use a seeded save

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:35 AM

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it's actually ares special, athena dash, with the duo boon

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:35 AM

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yeah

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:35 AM

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they need the duo boon to have enough damage

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:35 AM

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yeah and also exposed

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early exposed helps a lot

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:35 AM

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idk how you can be terrible with shield

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it's insanely good

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:36 AM

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IDK....

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:36 AM

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like

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oh, pardon me, I'm going to just block 100% of the damage in a 120 degree arc in front of me\

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wait

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did I curse????

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:36 AM

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I hate the shield. In boss fights its amazing, but in any crowded room it's crap

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:36 AM

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someone else did

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:36 AM

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nope, that was I

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:36 AM

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oh lol

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:36 AM

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I guess I just dont block lmao

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i just go ham

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:37 AM

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even if you don't block

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the main shield hits huge arcs

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try shield with zeus special or ares special

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:37 AM

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yeah but you know how like

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:37 AM

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and for the main, do a hard hitting percentage buff

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artemis is good, and I find Aphro to be extremely powerful

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:38 AM

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I think i just do better with other weapons and me on shield is not up to my standards, you know how like

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if you dash right in someone's face the shield goes through them instead of bouncing

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on special

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its SO

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ANNOYING

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:38 AM

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my worst weapon is the bow

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it's so god dang clunky

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:38 AM

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and hydra on special is sogfhsdhfjkfg

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:38 AM

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yeah the special takes practice

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I hated it at first

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you have to learn the enemy hitboxes

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:38 AM

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I cant aim on controller

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:39 AM

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aim for the hydra head? no. the shadow? no. somewhere in between? apparently.

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:39 AM

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Ithink part of it is I used to play KBM and I used to feel alright on shield with mouse aiming

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but on controller you can only aim in the direction you're facing

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:39 AM

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ya

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:39 AM

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but dodging was so hard on kbm because cardinal directions 😩

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:39 AM

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that would explain it

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k+m guy here

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:39 AM

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Ohh I see

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:40 AM

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btw zeus dash and zeus special

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those combo well with the shield

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:40 AM

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im sure I could get better with aiming since movement is so much more precise on controller, it would just take some practice

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:40 AM

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zeus dash has some decent homing

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and if you have both, you can go ham with the zeus upgrades

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make them lightning bolts hit hard

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for a melee attack... aphrodite maybe?

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 9:41 AM

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Just realized why I feel like I'm having trouble knowing where my cursor is when I play

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The game throttles my mouse???

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:41 AM

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yeah

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 9:41 AM

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Like it seems to regularly change the sensitivity or something

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:41 AM

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some people have that issue

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 9:41 AM

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What the hell is with that

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:41 AM

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not me tho

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Is this on SG's radar?

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:42 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/QbmDSoo.png

Imgur

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 9:43 AM

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There is a fix in the tech fixes channel apparently

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Mouse lock was doing it

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:43 AM

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oic

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 9:43 AM

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So weird

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It worked fine except like every 3rd second the DPI went down

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bizarre

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This is probably going to significantly enhance my experience

tough girder Jan 12, 2020, 9:44 AM

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How do you use the bow powershot?

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:45 AM

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it's just the game telling you "GO OUTSIDE BRO YOU HAVEN'T SEEN SUNLIGHT IN THREE WEEKS BRO"

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:45 AM

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hold the bow attack until the comic book action lines flash on the screen

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:45 AM

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uhh Refia you just charge and release when the screen flashes

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shoot skelly a bunch to practice the timing

tough girder Jan 12, 2020, 9:45 AM

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I see - thanks 🙂

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 9:45 AM

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👌

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:53 AM

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10 days until a whole new set of boons

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weeeeeew

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:00 AM

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new set of boons is not really a good thing, now gods will be diluted will be harder to go for specific build. instead it will turn into "pick the best of the worst case"

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I should push for my 32 heat before that happens I guess

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 10:00 AM

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meh

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I'm excited to see what happens

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also, there's an easy way to solve that issue

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just allow us to pick from one of three gods at the start of each run

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then lean the run toward gods as we progress based on what we've chosen

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with a few wildcards thrown in

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:01 AM

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keepsakes are usefull but the problem with it is, if you start the begining of the run with it, you might not even see that god at the end

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I ended up with only 1 ares that I picked so many times

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 10:02 AM

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very true

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:02 AM

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now I am just picking chaos egg or coins to start the run then modify

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 10:02 AM

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I pick ares hoping for ares special

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:02 AM

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dont we all

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 10:02 AM

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get two common boons and one epic, the epic is like his cast

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"well ok guess I'm going bladerift instead"

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:03 AM

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anyways I know what I am doing for the next 10 days just keep pushing for 32 heat before patch drops

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 10:07 AM

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I'm trying to think about what this new god would even do

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:07 AM

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which god is coming?

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 10:07 AM

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there are so many possibilities that I'm suffering from choice paralysis

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not a clue

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I'm still hoping the final weapon is like a greathammer

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:08 AM

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so many options man dual pistols, greathammer, fist weapons

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 10:08 AM

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the likely god coming is ||demeter||

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 10:08 AM

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hmm

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something to do with roots and entanglement?

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slowing enemies down, crippling them?

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 10:09 AM

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thats just the running fan theory based on the art silhouette in the steam trailer

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Yeah I want earth powers

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like putting down harmful terrain is something a lot of people have suggested for reworks to other gods

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the only thing really like that is dio cast

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and i guess lightning rod

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 10:11 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/TA0jzeC.png

Imgur

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yeah definitely something earthen

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:12 AM

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what is that video

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pm me link please

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 10:13 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzsUsry-O3E

YouTube

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▶ Play video

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it's at 2:44

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Gaia?

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Hades is a great game.

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:19 AM

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gaia is a titan

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 10:26 AM

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Oh goddamnit

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All of my casts disappeared again

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Game pls

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I hate this bug so much Hades literally just eats them

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and they dont come back

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Actually I guess the timer brought them back by the end

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The auto-recall thing

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But jeez

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 10:43 AM

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What build do you usually go for on the Chaos Shield?

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I can't really thing of anything else other than poseidon aphro zeus

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:45 AM

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Ares special?

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Dio special

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 10:46 AM

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Ares + athena deflect trigger doom

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:46 AM

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they both are great

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and try to get aphrodite attack

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 10:46 AM

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I usually try to get either Poseidon or Aphro special and any other status effect attack

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:47 AM

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this is the last time I am picking up charm from aphrodite, I just wasted 3 death defience cuz charmed enemy 1 shot me

slate lake Jan 12, 2020, 10:47 AM

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Sad that poseidons build is only great with mobs, hard to do bosses with it

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 10:47 AM

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Also is the dread flight even worth picking?

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Other viable option I see is Minotaur Rush

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:47 AM

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thats why you pair posidon with zeus or dio

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 10:47 AM

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Yeah dread flight works well with ares special

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Or poseidon special

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:48 AM

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knock backs also lightning bolts

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 10:48 AM

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or pretty much any special

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 10:48 AM

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its like 2 in 1 special

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throw the shield ruptured and jolted

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with dual curse dmg effect too

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 10:48 AM

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^ dash in rupture and jolted

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Auto attack with shield -> ruptured and jolted

slate lake Jan 12, 2020, 10:49 AM

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if i get lucky to have that ill try

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 10:50 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665870212788125720/unknown.png?width=864&height=486 crappy choices, can yall give me a hand, I've never used any of those tbh.

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 10:52 AM

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Athena's call is good depending on your build

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with like 1 pom its 1.6sec so imagine 2 seconds to do damage for free while deflecting

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you can use it to chain safe windows between attacks on a boss for example

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Hmm pair that with zeus' +dmg boon after a call

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Yeah exactly

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Do you still get god gauge if you block / deflect?

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 10:53 AM

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It can also help a lot if you didnt get dashes from hermes and you run out

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I'm not sure

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 10:54 AM

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Would be crazy with Poseidon's god gauge / hit generation tbh

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 10:54 AM

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But if you take a gauge rate perk it will be up pretty darn often

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before i knew you could just stand on top of hades to avoid his omnilaser I would use it for that so I could still hit him, and for his spear sweep just to guarantee I would dodge it and could safely just keep hitting him

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 10:56 AM

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spearpoint guarantees roughly the same invul time after you get hit

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 10:57 AM

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Sure, but you could also take a different keepsake with it

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such as distant memory on ranged

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 10:57 AM

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Hmm, tartarus area. Blessed Ares or Aphro?

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Which special would be more useful

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 10:57 AM

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on shield? definitely ares

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imo

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 10:58 AM

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Tbh I usually use the special only to apply status / deal some damage, so with Aphro I can just throw once to apply weak and forget about it for the next 10 secs or so

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and just keep hitting the enemy with someone elses attack

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 10:58 AM

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Thats even better with ares

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 10:58 AM

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Might be but Doom expires faster

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Thats the only issue I see

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 10:59 AM

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That's true, but my playstyle is offense = defense

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they cant do less damage to you if they die too quickly to hit you

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:00 AM

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I'm not applying weak for less damage, I'm applying it for privileged status 😂

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the less damage is just a bonus

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:01 AM

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Yeah, do you think 50% on attacks is going to be better than 150 on special- ares is still a debuff while shorter

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50% on attacks but you can also hit fewer targets depending on how spread out they are

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the majority of enemies will die within a few seconds

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Also I've heard that Doom doesn't really scale well in late

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But I've seen it crit for 1k with pressure points

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So idk

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:02 AM

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the speedrun build is merciful end chaos shield ares special athena dash

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Merciful End, what's that?

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Keepsake?

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:03 AM

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duo that makes deflect instantly trigger doom

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Ah

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:03 AM

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so you special dash special dash etc

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Would deflect on attack make your bull rush deflect too?

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:03 AM

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prep bull rush during spawn

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Oh it might, I'm not sure

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:04 AM

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That would be sick

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:04 AM

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when I watch haelian speedrun he pretty much just uses bullrush during respawns to prep a 5 shield toss

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:04 AM

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Curse of Agony, Curse of Pain or Battle Rage

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Why wouldn't you give me epic special, Ares

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Whyyyy

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:05 AM

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But sometimes he charges things to group them up I think

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 11:05 AM

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https://gyazo.com/8fcc0a5df9ffc7d713778f36443aad6f

Extreme measures 3 lets go XD never tried this one before

Gyazo

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Enjoy hydra

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( rip )

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:06 AM

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theseus is really funny with extreme measures so have fun

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 11:06 AM

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I did hydra, easy enough using 1 bouldy on it

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theseus tho never experienced

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:06 AM

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I wont spoil it 🙂

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:06 AM

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I still can't gift bouldy for some reason

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So I can't get his keepsake

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I only got meg's

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:06 AM

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did you max out sisyphus

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buy his ticket to freedom etc

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:07 AM

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Wait I need to do that first?

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facepalm

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really hard

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:07 AM

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I think so iirc

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I'm not 100% sure

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pretty sure though

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:08 AM

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Wait so how do I get the keepsake, it's Sisy that gives it?

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ffs thought it was bouldy who I need to gift ambro to

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:08 AM

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Do you mean the companion?

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Yeah its from sisyphus lol

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:08 AM

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FML

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Might deal less damage but the resources are incomparable

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imo

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:09 AM

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you can give bouldy nectar (and only nectar) after a certain point in sisyphus's social link for buffs

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with no limit, 1 per run obviously

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:09 AM

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I need to start visiting sisy more

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:09 AM

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I like bouldy more on high heat runs and runs where I take zag shield and focus damage reduction

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revenge builds basically

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I also like it if I think I might have trouble getting a good build for dealing with hydra but meg helps a lot on theseus with tight deadline so idk

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meg on hydra always betrays me, she hits like 1 head every time

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:12 AM

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Hermes or Pom from shop?

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Too low on money, don't have 300

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:12 AM

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I value 4 dashes a ton personally

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:12 AM

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I'm tempted to take hermes too, exactly for that reason

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Also why tf are there blue vases, weren't they supposed to be golden

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Oh nevermind, I have money for both, the pom is 100, not 150

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I'm dumb af

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Ohfudge this is a hard choice

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+2 dashes or 30% special speed

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:14 AM

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dashes imo

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I dont even notice the weapon speed boons seriously

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:14 AM

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Faster animations

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Now brb I gotta kick some fury ass

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/665877466924974140/unknown.png I feel like I don't have enough boons to make use of the Delight or Porridge

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:19 AM

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yeah but if you dash cancel the animation and you can dash cancel at any time does the +speed matter

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:20 AM

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Wait does this game have cancels? The only cancel I've noticed was how sword attack cancels the special which pisses me off

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:20 AM

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it cancels the animation, you still have to wait to catch it but I dont think the +speed affects travel time

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like i said im not actually sure what the +speed does because i dont even notice it

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:21 AM

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What do you say, should I take the nectar and fish for boons?

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I don't have enough of them imo to make use of the others ( or I could try to take ambrosia in case it gets my special higher rarity )

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:22 AM

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I'm not 100% sure but I think ambrosia always upgrades your lowest rarity

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might be confirmation bias

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:22 AM

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let's see

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Nah, it upgraded my call and special when there was also the dash which was rare

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:23 AM

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ooh

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:23 AM

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And the hermes boon which is rare only

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Would gods still offer exchanges for a heroic boon?

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:24 AM

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from epic yeah I think

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Nah, if it's already heroic

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I mean the call

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Oh

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I mean

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I think they might, I'm not sure, but there's nothing above heroic

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for upgrading

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:24 AM

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I know, just to exchange the call if I feel like it

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 11:24 AM

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yeah, that I don't know for sure

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:24 AM

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I like nuking with aphro call on bosses

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 11:27 AM

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26 min 45 sec

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best run so far

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Zag Spear and i got the best rolls possible for the entire run

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feels amazing

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:31 AM

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So special run?

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 11:33 AM

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yup

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Heroic Athena Special Damage Level 6 (+216% damage)
Max Zag Spear
Athena Cast
Athena Dash
Heroic Ares Call
Ares' Legendary Boon
Deflected victims become exposed
Special is replaced with a shot
Special deals 400% damage to armor
Crit damage deals +140% damage to armor
Special is 30% faster (Hermes)
All damage can crit (+7%)
After deflect, gain +20% chance to crit for 2 sec (Athena/Arte duo)

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took out the final boss in ~30 seconds

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:36 AM

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I usually ignore the + damage to armor boons since they won't deal jacksh1t to bosses

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 11:37 AM

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yeah but they help you clear rooms faster

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makes the entire Temple of Styx final encoutners a cakewalk

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it depends how soon you get it but i wouldn't ignore it

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the difference it makes amounts to health you don't lose

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:38 AM

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Just get zeus poseidon duo and some poseidon knockback effects and dash through styx

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walk in the park

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 11:45 AM

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https://gyazo.com/d9156d2c9d80438f8c1d37825cf5f9e9

I had a bad build, Zeus aid carried me. 16 benchmark hype inc

Gyazo

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theseus wasnt as bad as I tought

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bouldy is a hero tho he is like 2.5 death defiences worth of heals

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 11:50 AM

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First time ive actually used Athena's call offensively

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Just facetanked all of theseus' 2nd phase

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TIL Athena's attack on shield doesn't deflect when you charge the rush, but it does when you're mid charge

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Mid rush*

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 12:00 PM

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because mid rush is a dash attack not melee attack

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 12:04 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665888714769170453/unknown.png?width=866&height=487 not the best time but hey

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665892235446976512/unknown.png?width=864&height=486 I want them all, please help 😦

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 12:18 PM

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2nd one I think

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and just try to mix it with artemis

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pull everything in with seekers

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 12:19 PM

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Yeah I will, I need to get the duo boon too

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But both 2nd and 3rd are needed in the build I'm going for

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 12:31 PM

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https://gyazo.com/42b2c1d1d2160dd0b9036539f1e85c70
16 done :D, I was lucky enough to get 2 extra death defiences

Gyazo

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never again without aphrodite, bosses are too stronk without weakness

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 12:43 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665898470141329408/unknown.png?width=864&height=486 is this even worth playing anymore? 😂 😂

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Got unlucky with the boons, I can barely clear

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Takes me around 5 min per room

neon bough Jan 12, 2020, 12:50 PM

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ok am I the only one hating the fact you can't skip Hades' blabber at the beginning of a run ? when you have to restart a couple times to have the right starting trinket it's very annoying

rich edge Jan 12, 2020, 12:58 PM

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https://gyazo.com/fddef6a063161d8b5b1befdd96d46464

omg, god like run - 2 zeus and 3 poseiodon with explosive return. Also jolted and ruptured out of tartarus. This is gonna be fun 😄

Gyazo

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 1:44 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665913753694502943/unknown.png?width=864&height=486 None of them seems that good for a Hades spear run, any tips?

versed ibex Jan 12, 2020, 2:05 PM

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I like Multiskewer just for Styx rooms

hollow sorrel Jan 12, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Extending jab and punishing sweep at least both modify attack. Though it's a bit awkward to get close to a monster, so you can spin attack it, then dash away so you can whack it with the very tip of the spear

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Vicious Skewer is excellent.

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200% damage bonus on marked enemies with a 50% crit on return?

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 2:32 PM

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I've just come to realise that Aphro's legendary is a pretty good defensive option

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Since you can charm Hades and interrupt his attacks

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 2:33 PM

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yeah that surprised me as well

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 2:33 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665926373256331264/unknown.png?width=864&height=486 was tougher than I thought

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But ohwell

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 2:34 PM

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normally in these sorts of games "charm" type status effects wont work on the bosses at all

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Maybe it's because it's a legendary?

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The charm from Aphro's Aid doesn't work on him though

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Yes it does.

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It's just not as long as other enemies, but it will interrupt his attacks.

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 3:53 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665946185038823474/unknown.png?width=864&height=486 what is more worth in here, the extra crystal or the bonus damage?

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Flayed Affluence.

opal bay Jan 12, 2020, 3:55 PM

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flayed yeah, others don't seem much of worth for such trouble even with such bow.

pastel jolt Jan 12, 2020, 3:57 PM

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honestly? i'd go with caustic grasp if you're good at dodging out of the way (since with slothful on running's not an option)

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 3:58 PM

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it's only one more encounter of slothful

pastel jolt Jan 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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hmmm...... and athena cast.......

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grasp or shot would be my choice here

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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I want to change the cast as soon as possible, but dio won't give me his

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@pastel jolt that's what I was thinking, but which of those? 😂

pastel jolt Jan 12, 2020, 4:07 PM

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i suppose it depends on whether you think you'll do more damage by loading another cast into your shot, or if increasing the casts you already have will do more

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with athena, i think having another cast to fire would be more damage

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:17 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/dIiFplC who needs the gods anyways

Imgur

who needs gods

pastel jolt Jan 12, 2020, 4:17 PM

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what

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:17 PM

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how tho

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like you can't skip any offered boons

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can you?

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maybe he got one or two and just removed them

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:18 PM

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managed to collect few enough and purged them

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:18 PM

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he might have rerolled them

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:18 PM

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and rerolled lots to hp yes

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:18 PM

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157 titan blood

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my freaking god

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:18 PM

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i got 505 max hp as well

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I want to see the completion time on that run

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:18 PM

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*510

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:19 PM

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its not too bad

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explosive shot does nice damage

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and coupled with double shot its good

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I note that while you said it's not too bad, you failed to say what it was 😛

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:21 PM

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i got no idea

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probably 40

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could do it again now - im offered world splitter hammer first - using nemesis that is more than enough by itself

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without being slow at all

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:38 PM

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god daaaaaaaamn I hate the bow

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ugh

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the one good boon for the bow is the zeus special

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and it's still slow and clunky as hell

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I guess poison special is ok

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and Ares for a slow room clear

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but if you want to kill bosses quick, the bow is just bleh

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like the shield, it can attack super fast and each attack triggers one of Artemis's casting arrows

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but the bow's special shoots like 10 arrows and only triggers the casting arrow once

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Try the charon bow

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:41 PM

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is that the crit boost or the homing arrows

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:41 PM

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homing arrows

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:41 PM

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yeah those are ok

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:41 PM

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but tbh, you need it at level 3+ to be usable

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:41 PM

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decent for killing bosses

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especially with the zeus special

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:41 PM

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nah, zeus special only hits once, it's kinda crap

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it works best with poison, doom, or aphrodite

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:42 PM

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what?

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:42 PM

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some people like crit on it, but I'm not a huge fan of the crit builds

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:42 PM

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each arrow in the special hits its own instance

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:42 PM

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but zeus only procs once per special

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:43 PM

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it procs per arrow

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I'll test it right now

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:43 PM

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please do 😛

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it's only once per special, if it was once per arrow it'd be OP

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tho I do wish it was once per arrow, I'd be down with thaT

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:44 PM

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wow

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I think you're right

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but

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the numbers which pop up always show only one 38

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but the lightning bolts spam down like crazy

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it looks like every shot is hitting with a lightning bolt but it isn't

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:45 PM

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the zeus boon only hits once, no matter what special you use (except apparently the chaos boon shield?)

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:45 PM

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this explains sooooo much

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but hold on

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what about the poison special

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:45 PM

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applies 1 stack per arrow

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:46 PM

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so poison is still aight

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:46 PM

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it's a difference between per use and on damage

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support fire from artemis and any zeus lightning only hits once per ability use, no matter what

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poison just applies per hit

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doom also works really well with it, especially if you can get the +5 doom damage per hit

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:48 PM

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ugh no wonder my zeus special arrow build sucked bantha poodoo

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:48 PM

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even without it though, you can ensure that you're re-applying doom the instant it procs damage because of how it works

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yeah IMO zeus needs a buff

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his damage numbers are crap compared to any other boon

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 4:48 PM

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You should try Zeus on Eris Rail.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:48 PM

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the aoe doesnt make up for it, dont even start

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:49 PM

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to complicate it a bit more - bow zeus special procs once per enemy hit 🙂

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:49 PM

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yeah I probably confused zeus on the railgun with zeus on the bow

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the railgun DEFINITELY applies the damage per hit

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since each shot is a separate damage instance/firing sequence

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Unfortunately not for Spread Fire, but Spread Fire does max poison stacks.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:49 PM

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are you sure uenuku? I believe that it only procs on the nearest enemy

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:50 PM

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definitely used to and i havent seen any change to it but its not like i really go for it

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:50 PM

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cause it's terrible

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:50 PM

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exactly

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:50 PM

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yeah, zeus on the railgun is the only time he's even remotely viable

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 4:51 PM

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His Call is pretty generally excellent.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:51 PM

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It's... alright, but you have to be right up on an enemy for it to hit things, and tbh I'd rather use a different call 90% of the time

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ares, athena, poseidon, anything that gives invuln

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 4:52 PM

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^

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:52 PM

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zeus billowing strength(?) is great

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Athena, maybe, but Ares and Poseidon? Their damage isn't bad but they remove all other actions while they're active

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:52 PM

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with calls where you use individual charges that is

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Every Call you can use individual charges, technically, but I know what you mean.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:53 PM

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does zeus damage get amped by the hades spear sweep?

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 4:53 PM

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No.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:54 PM

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but it does by eris?

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:54 PM

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and i agree - i would take every call over zeus most of the time (tho all others are situational)

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:54 PM

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or no

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Everything gets buffed by Eris.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:54 PM

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apparently the zeus damage can crit on nemesis

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why wouldn't it get buffed by punishing sweep then, that makes no sense :/

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Lightning Strike?

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I don't know, that's something I've always wondered.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:55 PM

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it feels like if something buffs weapon damage, it should buff zeus damage as well

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cause right now, if you get a 70% attack from chaos, using zeus just feels terrible

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:56 PM

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to me dionysus and zeus separate the damage from the weapon

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and ares

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Yeah, if we also applied this to Dio and Ares? Super busted.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:56 PM

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ares is a debuff/status affect, he doesnt affect the attack, thats his trade off

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dio does fine damage already

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:57 PM

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and zeus gives ok duos

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:57 PM

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main point there "okay" duos

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:58 PM

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almost all duos are situational - they are great if you build for it but not otherwise

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except artemis athena that is

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 4:58 PM

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And, bizarrely, Poseidon's Duos with Aphrodite and Dionysus.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:59 PM

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I'd say that 80% of duo boons can be used with the build you get them on because thats how they're set up to work

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:59 PM

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i see poseidons as very situational

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 4:59 PM

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poseidon's duos?

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 4:59 PM

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yes

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Not the two with Aphro and Dio.

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:00 PM

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increased pom value is sitiational in that i see it only be insane with poison

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:00 PM

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the 2 poseidon boons with aphro and dio are in need of a change, IMO. the only time they're worth taking is if you get them really early

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Every boon benefits from getting to level 2 or 3.

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:00 PM

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rarity as a duo is usually too late for the boon i would want the rarity on

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:00 PM

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otherwise the benefits don't outweight losing a boon for it

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:01 PM

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They can also be sold for big chunks of change.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:01 PM

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assuming the fountain gives you them as a choice

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and if, like me, you only get the duo boons on the third floor 90% of the time, they're a huge waste of a boon pick

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:02 PM

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even earlier - i have base attack/special/cast or whatever im playing and main booster before it so the rarity one is wasted

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:03 PM

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For that matter, taking poseidon in general feels like a risk once you're running decent heat, cause you can get the boons that just give you currency, and it opens up those terrible duo boons

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:03 PM

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and poms have diminishing returns so i dont value it nearly as much

solid cairn Jan 12, 2020, 5:03 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/665963924683882527/unknown.png 2 legendaries

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:03 PM

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except for poison its always +1 damage(after the first)

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:03 PM

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except that relative speed is a terrible boon >.>

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:03 PM

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its great

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:03 PM

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The AoE around Relative Speed is not small.

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 5:03 PM

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greater recall is soooooooooooooooo good on many builds

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:04 PM

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It's extremely good.

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:04 PM

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it also makes attacks slower- to clarift

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:04 PM

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I'll test it more next I get it then, but greater recall is just amazing where a 1 second slowdown is kinda iffy

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 5:04 PM

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if you have a build that throws out blade rift casts, just get them back when they finish

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:04 PM

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I think you're underestimating how much you dash normally.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:04 PM

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bosses also have slow immunity, so it's useless vs them

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:05 PM

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It's not at all something you need to worry about actually applying, it will just happen.

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:05 PM

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not entirely anymore

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:05 PM

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or if not immunity, extreme resistance

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90% or so

solid cairn Jan 12, 2020, 5:05 PM

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too late I clicked recall

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:05 PM

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ofc you clicked recall, it's the better perk

solid cairn Jan 12, 2020, 5:05 PM

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I have hunting blades and chaos shield I'll be fine

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:05 PM

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the legendary version was really not good while the normal one on epic slowed by 90% for running into them

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entirely disabling enemies

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but now its good

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:06 PM

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I've played with the 75% slow on railgun special, so I get the idea behind hermes slow, but the railgun is 75% for like 3 seconds, where the hermes one is 50% for 1 second (tho easily reapplied, yes)

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Again, it's not something you consciously use, just play as normal and enemies are slowed in droves. The area of affect is quite large.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:07 PM

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aight, I'll pay more attention next time I get it

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I've turned it down in favor of 25% dodge a number of times

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I didn't like Dodge at first but I've come around on it.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:08 PM

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it's a 1 in 5 or 4% chance of just not taking damage, you're crazy not to get it

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:08 PM

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dodge is really strong as well

solid cairn Jan 12, 2020, 5:09 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/665965384863711252/unknown.png imagine if I had poseidon or hera aspect

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:09 PM

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i just dislike how it procs - feels like still getting hit

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:09 PM

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and it can dodge traps too

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 5:09 PM

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25% dodge is just broken

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I had 25% dodge, 25% charm on weak, and the broken sword for 1.5 seconds of invuln when getting hit

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:09 PM

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~~Achilles would have been even faster~~

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I was immortal

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 5:09 PM

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How exactly am I supposed to do damage with an Ares Hera build if I don't get at least the cast and something else from the combo until mid Aspho?

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:09 PM

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yeah thats a nice cast setup

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 5:10 PM

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I feel like I barely do damage if that happens and I can't go further

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7 heat

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:10 PM

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don't count on getting the ares cast?

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just take what the game offers you

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:10 PM

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i still only go for cast builds if the first boon i get offered has a cast

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(peek preview) 🙂

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Welp what if you're playing Hera / Poseidon aspects.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:11 PM

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I usually bring in a god's keepsake on the second floor to guarantee a duo boon I want, or to at least unlock it

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:12 PM

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i jump in and look what i get, surrender and pick accordingly

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:12 PM

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^ a bit cheaty, but it does work

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and you can pick the keepsake of the god you want for whats offered

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:12 PM

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I'm not against playing like that.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:13 PM

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IE, if the first boon is a special, you can pick the god you want the special of

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 5:13 PM

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What if it's a hammer

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:13 PM

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or in this case a cast

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then i can pick the attack type i want

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 5:13 PM

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but my streaks

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:13 PM

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if it's a hammer, pick the weapon who's hammer bonus you like a lot

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:13 PM

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doesnt end streaks - it places you before starting the run

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:13 PM

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yeah

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oddly, giving up doesnt end streaks

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weird right

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 5:14 PM

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they do in my book

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streaks is making do with whatever :/

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:15 PM

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I'd agree

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like I said, it's a bit cheaty

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 5:16 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665967102578130954/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 Looks like they really want me to have a special run

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3rd room, I'm already getting heroic special

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:17 PM

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it's because it's a replacement

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you're basically paying 2 boons to get the heroic

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 5:18 PM

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I know that, but still, two specials in 3 rooms

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and also high rarity

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:18 PM

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true 😛

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depending on the weapon tho.... special doom is pretty good

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 5:18 PM

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I've just resetted and went for Chiron

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F it

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I'm going knockback build

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:18 PM

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but chiron doom

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:19 PM

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poison

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Tried Chiron Dio

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:19 PM

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or lightning

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Poseidon with zeus does more

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Chiron doom with +5 damage to doom per hit

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fair, the poseidon zeus duo is pretty crazy if you can get it

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cause it actually applies more than once per special, like zeus SHOULD

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 5:23 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665969104582344715/unknown.png?width=862&height=485 2nd or 3rd?

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id take breaking wave since it's fun as hell to see them jump from wall to wall

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But damage wise typhoon might be better?

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 5:25 PM

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typhoon's fury, I find, is better for single target dps

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like way better

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if you have a bunch of dudes clustered together, breaking wave is good

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breaking wave is best in the cerberus mini rooms

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 5:25 PM

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breaking wave is good in styx

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yeah there you go

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:26 PM

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breaking wave is going to be the best on the chiron bow, the wall hit damage isnt high on it

solid cairn Jan 12, 2020, 5:26 PM

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best part of hydra is the music don't even @ me

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Truth.

solid cairn Jan 12, 2020, 5:29 PM

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reminds me of the basement theme from the OG binding of isaac at some points

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like, some parts are super similar

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:32 PM

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mmmm

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poseidon sword run, first 2 boons are athena cast epic, and 80% cast damage from chaos

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gunna be a good run

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Exit wounds only missing

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:32 PM

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or zeus duo

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Oh athena

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:33 PM

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(tbh - most important is bursting shot)

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:33 PM

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i read Aphro

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i do not like athena cast

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it kinda weak imo

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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its one of the strongest

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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and has VERY slow animation

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strongest?

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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athena does more damage than aphrodite

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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It's got the second highest base damage at Epic rarity.

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Athena 119
Zeus 84(chain)
Poseidon 84
Aphrodite 108
Artemis 98(+10%crit->127,6avg)
Ares 13
Dionysus 140

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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but aphro aoe

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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for lvl1 epic

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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athena has aoe

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Athena's is also AoE.

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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same big?

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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and with the zeus duo boon, it bounces like a zeus bolt

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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all have aoe except artemis ans zeus

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Not as big, no.

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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but u need duo

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which is not guranteed

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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duo makes it so great - enemies close to each other just melt

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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and cast animation still slow

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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each takes multiple times the damage

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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and aplies weak

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:36 PM

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and hermes fixes the slow speed

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:36 PM

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if u find it

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:36 PM

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without it you are still safe because of its reflect

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:37 PM

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just got artemis quick reload, which unlocks exit wounds and fully loaded

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gunna be a GOOD GAME

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:37 PM

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reflect is good but with this speed u just better dash

solid cairn Jan 12, 2020, 5:38 PM

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didn't chiron aspect used to be op

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:38 PM

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absolutely

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damage got like cut in half at best

solid cairn Jan 12, 2020, 5:38 PM

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I guess the fact that it's still kind of viable even after that shows how good it was

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:39 PM

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yea

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how many arrows was it?

untold widget Jan 12, 2020, 5:39 PM

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hey, what should i aim for with achilles spear?

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:39 PM

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11+100%?

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:39 PM

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@untold widget u can try good cast biuld

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like HunBlades

blazing mulch Jan 12, 2020, 5:39 PM

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9+100%

untold widget Jan 12, 2020, 5:39 PM

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why cast with achilles? im curious

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:40 PM

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it gives limited damage boosts

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and cast hits hardest

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:40 PM

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+150% Cast damage after using Special.

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:40 PM

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150% is huge, yea

untold widget Jan 12, 2020, 5:40 PM

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well, i dont have the spear upgraded all the way, but sure

blazing mulch Jan 12, 2020, 5:40 PM

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or Swipe

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But swipe is hard to play due of long charging untill you take hammer

untold widget Jan 12, 2020, 5:42 PM

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whats swipe?

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Punishing Sweep, Hades Aspect.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:42 PM

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hades spear

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it makes anything you hit with sweep take more damage from attaks and casts

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Non-spin attacks and Special, not Casts.

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:44 PM

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so Hades aspect depends on AA most

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:44 PM

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but you can also go for spin with achilles, just a but awkward imo

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:44 PM

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end of the first floor: I have 210 hp, and my athena cast is doing 474 damage. gunna be a good game 😛

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:44 PM

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and Achiles can be used in other ways

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but 150% for cast is STRONK

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 5:45 PM

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just doesnt work as well with getting more casts

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but its definitely the cast build i think has the strongest start

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:47 PM

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and I just got fully loaded

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lol

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my god this run

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 5:56 PM

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is this a joke

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i started game with Zeus Attack

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next i met Dio and he swapped Attack

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next i met Zeus again and he offered me Attack again

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also i met Aphro and Artemida

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and both they offered attack exchange

proper jolt Jan 12, 2020, 6:01 PM

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I really wanna start using Athena's aid

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But I just don't like it

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 6:02 PM

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1st or 2nd place

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for this call

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:15 PM

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athena balls doing 700 damage at end of game, critting for 2k, with 7 of them, and exit wounds, and double cast from artemis. that was, indeed, a good game

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 6:15 PM

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heat?

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:16 PM

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10

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 6:16 PM

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cant do 9(

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:16 PM

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nothing amazing I know, but I'm still ast like heat 5 for most of my bounties 😛

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 6:16 PM

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same 4 me

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:19 PM

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the thing that made the biggest difference for me was actually taking the time to really learn the attack patterns of the enemies. I lost a couple runs because I was too focused on watching enemy movements rather than clearing, but knowing how they move and being able to determine at a glance when one will attack is a huge benefit

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also, learning what gods give which duo boons, and what perks are needed to unlock them helps a lot as well, as it can guide you down a strong build path

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 6:20 PM

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wiki?

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:20 PM

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wiki is a great resource for that yeah.

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if I'm unsure, I'll just look up the god I got a boon for on the wiki, and figure out where I can take it

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 6:20 PM

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but it has old info iirc

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:21 PM

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90% of it's accurate

solid cairn Jan 12, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Sometimes they still refer to nectar as ambrosia on the wiki

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:21 PM

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I think it's just artemis that they have some bad info on requires boons to unlock

solid cairn Jan 12, 2020, 6:21 PM

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I should probably fix it

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 6:23 PM

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some numbers of boon damage

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may be wrong

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:23 PM

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either way, having the wiki open on the side so you can look up what duo boons your god offers, and what perks you need to unlock them can help a lot in deciding which boons will help you the most in your run

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and after 3-4 runs, all that knowledge just becomes stuff you know on the fly

serene nexus Jan 12, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Fun fact, although your starting god can change depending on keepsakes, the perks that are offered do not.

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 6:24 PM

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the rarities change because of the boost tho

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or they can change

serene nexus Jan 12, 2020, 6:24 PM

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If you get Call, Cast, Special on the start with Athena, switching to Dio's keepsake will get you Dio's Call, Cast, and Special

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Having 60/ 170 hp and 2 DDs, do I take the Styx or the Hydralite from patro?

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4 rooms until boss

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:26 PM

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I'd take the heal myself, I'm more likely to lose another DD at that point

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:27 PM

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7 heat if it matters, chiron bow poseidon, fishing for zeus duo

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:27 PM

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the heal is worth 150% of your hp in total, assuming you take more damage over the next few rooms

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the dd is only worth 50%

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:27 PM

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I've just remembered that I haven't used Battie at all this run

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Still 2 charges

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Dangit

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:28 PM

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and the heal will be in effect at the end of the boss room, so you'll get more off that as well

wispy notch Jan 12, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Is it me or are certain attacks kind of inconsistent? Particularly beams. The Snake Stones and Hades beam sometimes eludes environment that they're supposed to be stopped by

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:28 PM

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different note, and it may be due to just bad luck on room rng, but 170 hp at halfway through elysium seems low

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the hitboxes of environment rubble is.... iffy, to say the least

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:29 PM

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I don't focus THAT much on health and more on damage myself :-?

serene nexus Jan 12, 2020, 6:29 PM

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TIL that coins block projectiles

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:29 PM

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especially with lasers. the walls dont actually cover what it looks like they do

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just keep in mind that every hp that you pick up makes your DD worth more

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50 hp = 25 more hp per DD, which is 125 hp overall with 3 DDs

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:30 PM

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You can really only focus so much on damage is the thing, since outside your attack method, most of the boons will just be support of some kind

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Yeah I rarely choose to go for centaur hearts

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:32 PM

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eh... it's a rare run that I don't end with 300+ hp. If I have a good damaging attack of some sort, and I know I can clear the game even if it'll be a bit slow, I'll take a heart over a boon anyday

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one exception might be when I'm doing the 7 minute timer, but even then

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losing a life and getting up with 70 hp means you're well within oneshot range on final boss

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:34 PM

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I usually have 200-250 hp ending runs, I've been running around 20 heat with each weapon except for the spear, as I don't enjoy using it.

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I often spend 1k or 1.5k on the diamond/blood, so I haven't spent much with chiron on boons and such

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:35 PM

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are you running with less than 100 starting hp?

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:35 PM

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no

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:35 PM

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whats your 20 heat setup?

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screenshot?

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:36 PM

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not at the comp atm, but I usually run +100% damage, 50% faster enemies, 7 minute timer, changed up bosses, reduced healing, and have been adjusting to 60% more mobs

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:37 PM

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the 50% faster enemies, I can't use that. the speed at which their attacks come out, I can't even react

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everything else I've been trying

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:37 PM

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50% faster makes the 7 minute timer much easier, as enemies spawn quicker and come to you faster

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takes a little getting used to

jade gust Jan 12, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Does anyone have a good Hera Aspect bow build? I know Dionysus cast is amazing in it, but can't get it to do much damage.. especially if the target's moving like Asterius and the BUll

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:38 PM

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mmm. maybe I should try running an 8 heat 50% speed 7 min timer just to practice it

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 6:38 PM

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I'm surprised seems like no one likes to play with middle management

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 6:38 PM

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i mean ofc you need to hit them with the explosion from it

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:38 PM

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yeah, what took me the longest to get used to on 50% faster was the changed up hydra fight

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Poseidon works well with Hera, as does ares/artemis if you can get the duo boon

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 6:39 PM

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but else its get dionysus cast (best high rarity ofc) and a few poms into it

jade gust Jan 12, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Poseidon? because of knockbacks?

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:39 PM

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middle management is the one that makes you fight more elites right?

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:39 PM

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you can get huge wallbangs out of poseidon

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 6:39 PM

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and artemis/chaos for cast boons

jade gust Jan 12, 2020, 6:39 PM

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even on bosses?

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:39 PM

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and its aoe, which matters a lot

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nah bosses are fairly immune to knockbacks, sadly

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:40 PM

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rupture will still apply to bosses though

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which can give you the double condition proc

pastel jolt Jan 12, 2020, 6:40 PM

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middle management changes the miniboss encounters in different ways depending on which they are

jade gust Jan 12, 2020, 6:40 PM

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it's why I hate using poseidon, he's great against normals but not so good against bosses in terms of damage

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:40 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665988391015546920/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 I'm torn between finishing the prophecy or getting another DD, halp pls

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That's the last duo that I'm missing iirc

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:40 PM

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poseidon + zeus duo boon can help a lot with damage

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finish the prophecy

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FINISH IIIT

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rip the run finish the prophecy

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:40 PM

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it's +5 ambrosia, pretty nice

jade gust Jan 12, 2020, 6:41 PM

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yea you're on 7 heat you're fine xd

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 6:41 PM

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its also so nice to play

jade gust Jan 12, 2020, 6:41 PM

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if it was on 32 heat I'd say do whatever the run needs haha

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Well that won't really help me vs Hades would it

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The bounce I mean

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 6:41 PM

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except during add spawns

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:41 PM

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I've only run middle management once since the patch

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 6:41 PM

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even for single target that is

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:42 PM

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it was kind of annoying enemies teleporting away from me

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and having a 7 minute timer...

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:42 PM

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The timer is from the last pact

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can't remember the name

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:42 PM

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tight deadline

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:42 PM

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But management makes big dusa head TP

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:42 PM

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@crimson geyser my current heat setup is middle management, +100 damage, +20% speed, and full upgraded boss fights. I think middle management takes some getting used to, and can be a run ender on a weak run, but it's fun

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:42 PM

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I honestly don't recall what middle management did in the elysium

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:43 PM

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it makes 2 soul catchers in that infinite spawn room

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Full upgraded extreme measures? Oh god I didn't have the balls to fight upgraded hydra yet

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:43 PM

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ah, I'll pass... I don't see middle management and tight deadline going well with each other...

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:43 PM

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honestly the worst part about upgraded hydra is the loss of 2 guaranteed heals

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:43 PM

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until heat requires me take it for more rewards

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Also the map being full of lava

wind vale Jan 12, 2020, 6:43 PM

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i much prefer upgraded hydra over trap damage

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just more fun

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:43 PM

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If you have the trap damage pact

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You're pretty rip

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:44 PM

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whoop

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:44 PM

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You kiss your mother with that mouth?

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:44 PM

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amen, screw trap damage on final fight

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not often, she's about a 24 hour drive

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Pepega

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Not far enough

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Ah yeah I don't run tight deadline

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And tbh the middle management fights in Asphodel usually hurt me plenty, especially the mega Gorgon and skull crusher, but I've still come to find it as one of the few pact options that actually makes the run more entertaining instead of just more frustrating

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:52 PM

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I'll probably mess around with it, as I haven't touched it much, and it's not like I need to run maxed out heat

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it'll make it so I can run more than just the few strong builds that can make the timer

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 6:52 PM

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I only run extreme measures 1 because I don't like the ex Hydra fight, I'd be happy to have the ex dynamic duo fight but I can't have that without the hydra

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:52 PM

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the middle management murder boat gets crazy

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Sweet, I took 150 dmg from a goddamn vase exploding

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:53 PM

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and this is why we dont run heightened security

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:53 PM

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I can't get used to maxed Overtime

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 6:54 PM

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shadedisgruntled Styx is big trouble with that

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:54 PM

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I took him to less than half hp 2nd phase

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Then a vase went boom while I was dashing around

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:54 PM

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I swapped to it pretty early on, so I probably didn't have to adjust too much to overtime

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I still despite flame wheels

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:54 PM

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I don't have something against it, I'm having something against maxed overtime

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or even 40%

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:54 PM

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I wouldn't ever run heightened security unless it was absolutely needed

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Ever since I got Tisiphone on maxed Overtime

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I'm scarred.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:55 PM

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I never have an issue with the first floor on overtime

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I have issues with murder boat and elysium shield heavy rooms

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:55 PM

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I didn't expect tisi to have such fast animations

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that was all

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 6:56 PM

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I find the shield guys easier with overtime on than I do it with it off, lol

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:56 PM

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So all I'm missing now are Divine Protection, Vicious Cycle, Black Out, Defiance from Chaos, and a couple of hammers on Rail

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:57 PM

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congrats, those are all the hardest ones to get 😛

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:57 PM

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And to unlock Achilles, Hestia and Eris

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How good is Eris rank2

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or should I just trade my ambro into blood to try to get it as high as possible

icy edge Jan 12, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Better than Rank 1 worse than Rank 3, in my experience

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:58 PM

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.................................................................

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:58 PM

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^ exactly my reaction

icy edge Jan 12, 2020, 6:59 PM

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I had to channel my inner Zagreus

mighty ermine Jan 12, 2020, 6:59 PM

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funnyman energy active

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:59 PM

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I wouldnt trade ambro into blood unless I had the companion I like maxed out first

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 6:59 PM

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I can't get to Sisy consistently

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Sadly

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:00 PM

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more stuff will take it later on, so I wouldn't trade it away

icy edge Jan 12, 2020, 7:00 PM

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If you actually use up your companion, invest there

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If not, weapon up

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:00 PM

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I got Battie rn

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I need to gift sisy like 3 more times

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to unlock the favor

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And then I need gems fml

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Diamonds*

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w/e

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 7:00 PM

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why cant i go into father rooms

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I still have yet to see the contract to free sisy after maxing out his gifts

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 7:01 PM

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but i see some shades going in or out

mighty ermine Jan 12, 2020, 7:01 PM

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i semi-frequently trade ambro for blood mainly because i just absolutely forget my companion exists pretty much every time

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i played too much before they were a thing

steep hamlet Jan 12, 2020, 7:01 PM

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speaking about sisy i cant seem to unlock his companion, talked to meg and than ages ago but i cant seem to trigger hades conversation

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:01 PM

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@mighty ermine Last run I remembered I had a companion mid elysium

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:01 PM

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same.... I have 5 uses on my battie, but I use maybe 1-2 per run

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Tell me about it

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I wanna kill Tisi with Bouldy

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Also hades

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Just for the sake of it

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So he can get his revenge

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'cause he's a good boy

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Aight so is Eris rank 2 worth using or should I just use base zagreus

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:04 PM

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it's better than the base, but if you don't mind reloading, the hestia aspect is absurd

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:04 PM

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It only upgrades the first shot after the reload

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I don't really feel it

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:04 PM

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up to 150 damage

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Feels like urge to kill, idk

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:06 PM

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I still wonder if explosive rounds will continue to apply to the hestia shot in the future

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it's bonkers imo

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:06 PM

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And imediately getting no reload from the first hammer

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This is gonna be a fun run

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I just need Artemis to give me support fire and to get shotgun

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spread fire* w/e

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:07 PM

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you can't have spread fire and infinity chamber

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:07 PM

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An shoot

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Ah*

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Explosive rounds then

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:08 PM

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only thing explosive rounds doesn't pair with is piercing fire

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:09 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665995723333959696/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 so many options halp

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:10 PM

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how could you possibly pass up aphro :p

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I wanted Zeus attack tbh

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But aphro could work ig?

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I mean... aphro is strongest... zues is weakest... unless you're trying something goofy for the fun of it with zues

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:11 PM

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I mean, trying Zeus attack with support fire

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iirc should be bonkers on rail

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:11 PM

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it's not

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I've done it a few times

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even with hermes attack speed, more dashes, and flurry fire

eager wind Jan 12, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Does buffing +% attack from spear punishing sweep or Chaos buff also increase damage from procs like Zeus on attack or Dionysus poison on attack?

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 7:11 PM

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@eager wind no

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:12 PM

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eris aspect is the only thing that increases them

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:12 PM

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No, the boons have their own damage scaling

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:12 PM

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unless it was recently patched out, eris boosts their damage

eager wind Jan 12, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Is Punishing sweep just bad?

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Zeus with rail like 100% damage

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:13 PM

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initially, but not scaling

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Well you only have one heat right so you can't go for aphro anyway, that helps the decision

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Reroll ares :p

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 7:15 PM

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I go for chaos every time I see them because defiance is my very last prophecy item

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:16 PM

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@steep hamlet Make sure you have talked to Bouldy

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I assumed the conversation bit with sisyphus about bouldy being a good listener was him being nutso from being locked up

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No, you actually have to talk to Bouldy

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Aight I went to pee and I remembered something

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:17 PM

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LUL

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:17 PM

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I'm on 1 heat

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I can't go through that aphro gate

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@fallen quarry

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:19 PM

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oh.. haha, yeah, chaos gate it, or whatever, you're on 1 heat

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I haven't done low heat runs on Rail since I've finished the game with it

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So I wanted to give it a try

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My 7 heat runs are on the bow most of the time

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I can relate, all my weapons are around 20 heat, except for my spear, which is at 2 heat

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:20 PM

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losing a DD to hydra when it has 1 hp left really annoys me :/

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Once I've lost a DD just before the boss got hit by the attack

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So it procced my dd and then the boss died

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That tilted me

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What would you guys think about a Loki character in the game?

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I know he's not a God but a stealth approach to the game sounds exciting to me

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:23 PM

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I thought he was, but of a different setting..

eager wind Jan 12, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Loki is a god and he is Norse

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Wait wasn't he a Demigod

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Also I'm dumb, yeah he's norse

eager wind Jan 12, 2020, 7:24 PM

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God/giant technically

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Would you take pierce or explosive shot on rail with infinite ammo

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:25 PM

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explosive

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pierce is rubbish unless you are on hestia and good at aiming

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:26 PM

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always explosive

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especially on hestia

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Yall know I'm on eris right

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:26 PM

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still explosive, lol

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Then definitely 😄

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Aphro won't give me her attack fml

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dash cast or call

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:27 PM

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I don't mind pierce on hestia because it allows for strong lines of shots if you're kiting around

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It's not as strong on the little guys but for multiple armored elite duos or groups

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I find it more useful

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Tbh I'd only take pierce to laugh at shield guys in ely

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:28 PM

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I don't find enemies often line up to get hit enough by pierce, but happen to be in range of explosions, and if you miss, explosion can still hit the target you're going for

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:28 PM

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I think both of the last two hestia runs I did I ended up with slowing special

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So I was able to aim a bit easier

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But yes Explosive is by far the best rail upgrade

lofty herald Jan 12, 2020, 7:28 PM

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is it just me or is zeus real bad

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Zeus is situational

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I agree with you taba

mighty ermine Jan 12, 2020, 7:29 PM

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was going to say the exact same thing as PBC

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:29 PM

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the chain effects are great with high jury duty

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Particularly on something that attacks fast, rail, flurry sword

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even spear

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Zues could really use some scaling

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:30 PM

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A cast build with chain lightning just deletes rooms

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not bosses unfortunately

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But deletes rooms

lofty herald Jan 12, 2020, 7:30 PM

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i still feel like poiseidon is a better room clearer though

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Also Zeus's duos are REALLY good, both the lightning strike on Dio cast and the knockback lightning

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The revenge ares/zeus not so much

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 7:30 PM

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@lofty herald it's only thing he is good at

lofty herald Jan 12, 2020, 7:30 PM

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well, on a melee; on a ranged it's more mediocre

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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even getting 3 duos in a run.. I don't like zues...

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/666001190986842189/unknown.png?width=906&height=446 YAS FINALLY

lofty herald Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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i mean it's not like zeus is great against bosses either

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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^^

lofty herald Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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jolted is real nice but everything else is just

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there

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Jolted is just a bad doom

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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@lofty herald zeus may be good for rail

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Tbh Dio + Zeus duo cast build on Hera is what won me the game in my first win

fallen quarry Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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no, his attack doesn't scale up

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Also zeus legendary

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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@muted needle jolted last longer

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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And multi cast chance

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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I like Zeus on attack with Zag rail

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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No nevermind, first win was arte cast

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With burst

lofty herald Jan 12, 2020, 7:32 PM

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ime jolted is just for privileged status

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but privileged status is really, really good

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Yep

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:32 PM

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How do I gift Bouldy though? Need to max out sisy first?

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I wanna give the good boi a bottle

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Next run that you talk to him I think @novel python

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 PM

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@novel python no u just talk him after

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Ah

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Just talked to him now

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So I guess next run

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 PM

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jolt actually does a pretty high amount of damage to bosses if you can keep applying it regularly

supple haven Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 PM

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You need to believe in the bouldy that believe in you

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Yeah I was like 85 runs in before I realized I could talk to bouldy

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 PM

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^ thats because you skip the dialogues v:

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ig

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Now I give bouldy nectar every time, it's instinctual, like petting cerberus

lofty herald Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 PM

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it's like, 80 damage, which is not insignificant for sure

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:34 PM

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@novel python No I just assumed that Sisyphus was being a crazy person 😄

supple haven Jan 12, 2020, 7:34 PM

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80dmg?

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 7:34 PM

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@novel python esp if they are not translated

lofty herald Jan 12, 2020, 7:34 PM

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but i find it's hard to justify giving a major slot to lightning

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:34 PM

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For me generally just the cast, and depending on what weapon I'm using

lofty herald Jan 12, 2020, 7:34 PM

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on rail i might be interested but i like poison better

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:34 PM

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There's always something I'd rather have

somber shard Jan 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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This question has probably be asked before, but does giving Nectar have any affect on god/goddesses' appearance rates or boon rarities within a singular run?

lofty herald Jan 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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more agnostically good

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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But I can make it work to ~15 heat with pretty much anything

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@somber shard Not that I can see

stray frigate Jan 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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@somber shard no

supple haven Jan 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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No

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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The most fun I've ever had with a weapon tbh was explosive shotgun zag rail with poison on attack

supple haven Jan 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Rupture is way more fun than jolted lol

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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pretty much instant 5 poison everything you hit

supple haven Jan 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Esp on styx

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Just watching everything bounce around and die

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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If you need rupture in styx you don't have enough wall slam

supple haven Jan 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Feels so good

lofty herald Jan 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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rupture is just for privileged status as well

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Also apart from the little rats which die nothing moves enough in styx to justify rupture as anything other than a status curse

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^

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yep

lofty herald Jan 12, 2020, 7:37 PM

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the real good stuff is the water slam on bounce

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:37 PM

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stuff eh

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good stuff

lofty herald Jan 12, 2020, 7:37 PM

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shh

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:37 PM

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😛

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I seen it

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@fast shard good bot

novel python Jan 12, 2020, 7:37 PM

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@muted needle but you can force them to move 👀

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Knock them around, they move, they take rupture damage

muted needle Jan 12, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Fair enough

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I rarely take poseidon on anything other than cast