#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 336

hollow sorrel Jan 11, 2020, 7:38 PM

#

I always though the overpowered part of the chaos shield was that you get all the shields even if you only charge the bullrush for like .5 seconds

wooden lodge Jan 11, 2020, 7:39 PM

#

the overpowered part of the shield is every part of the shield

hollow sorrel Jan 11, 2020, 7:39 PM

#

and that since it seems like you're blocking when you bullrush, the bullrush acts like your dash

remote latch Jan 11, 2020, 7:39 PM

#

I e never tried the shield cuz my usual play style is glass canon

wooden lodge Jan 11, 2020, 7:39 PM

#

hold attack for a split second, get an impenetrable 100% defensive block

#

charge for a split second, lunge forward, throw a bunch of shields

#

your base attack and dash attack are super fast, have yuge coverage, and rarely miss

#

and if you don't think a 100% defensive block is good enough, take the aspect which grants damage resist

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:41 PM

#

the shield is dummy strong

#

still the most fun weapon is the rail

#

add the doom stack effect on it and congrats, you do a lot of damage to say the least

wooden lodge Jan 11, 2020, 7:43 PM

#

yeah rail plus doom is quite good

#

but propogating poison tho...

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:43 PM

#

mhhhh

#

not sure since just 5 stacks at max

#

and it doesn't do that much damage

#

i like the dyonesius bomb

#

it's so good for cc

wooden lodge Jan 11, 2020, 7:44 PM

#

I wish there was some way other than Eris Aspect to empower my special

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:45 PM

#

i like the eris one but ii haven't tried out hestias

wooden lodge Jan 11, 2020, 7:45 PM

#

the problem with Hestia is that it only empowers one bullet

remote latch Jan 11, 2020, 7:45 PM

#

But reload shot spam is still super fast.

wooden lodge Jan 11, 2020, 7:45 PM

#

so if you choose the shotgun hammer upgrade, the first bullet is a single sniper shot, there's a slightly awkward pause, and the remaining bullets are shotgun shots

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:46 PM

#

hmm, maybe the eris one is better?

remote latch Jan 11, 2020, 7:46 PM

#

I tap reload at same time as shot button and spam 600+ dmg per shot

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:46 PM

#

damn

remote latch Jan 11, 2020, 7:47 PM

#

Kills fury and hydra in about 12 shots each

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:47 PM

#

btw favorite waifu in the game? (which i think i'm not the only one to say megaere)

dusky coral Jan 11, 2020, 7:47 PM

#

Yeah but for example my best crit sword build basically did 900 crits on normal attacks and 350x2 on dash attacks with deadalus hammer. No reloads needed

hollow sorrel Jan 11, 2020, 7:48 PM

#

Hestia can be a lot of micromanaging though. Like, if the monster have blue hearts, you want to hit them with other stuff first, and if they are at very low armor, then you might want to hit them with something else too

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:48 PM

#

range my guy, range

remote latch Jan 11, 2020, 7:49 PM

#

Crit build on hestia though is 1400-2200 per shot

hollow sorrel Jan 11, 2020, 7:49 PM

#

2200 damage still only removes one blue heart at a time, and if a monster has 20 HP of armor left, then a 2200 damage shot will only do 20 damage

remote latch Jan 11, 2020, 7:50 PM

#

Isn’t that true of all weapons

hollow sorrel Jan 11, 2020, 7:50 PM

#

yes, but other weapons have a much faster rate of attack

#

like, eris would just attack as normal, since it has a decent rate of fire

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:50 PM

#

the rail does have fast shots tho

#

oh btw, anybody else think that the basic exagryph is just useless?

dusky coral Jan 11, 2020, 7:50 PM

#

Yeah but consecutive shots dont do 1000+ crit. If we refer to that build

remote latch Jan 11, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

I usually will hold the fire button a little longer before reloading to burst small shots which still hit pretty good on the build.

wooden lodge Jan 11, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

+117% holy heck https://i.imgur.com/ywqawxV.jpg

Imgur

remote latch Jan 11, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

But you guys are inspiring me to try melee stuff. Getting bored with rail instawins.

foggy raft Jan 11, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

damn hades died so fast with these 2 legendaries and hera bow https://gyazo.com/659a92c90bb00a252127035dffc9bc42

Gyazo

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

spicy

hollow sorrel Jan 11, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

hestia is the only weapon where you have to actually think about blue hearts and armor, because it's a noticeable reload time. Like, I would end up doing goofy things like having the zeus cast, to AoE get rid of blur hearts from trash, that I normally wouldn't do with other weapons

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:52 PM

#

best i've done is a win with 1 heat on sword

#

i think the nemesis sword is pretty good

dusky coral Jan 11, 2020, 7:52 PM

#

Probably the best aspect imo

#

For sword that is

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:53 PM

#

that crit damage is nice

remote latch Jan 11, 2020, 7:53 PM

#

I have a button muscle memory that still fires off reloaded shots as fast as will allow but still fits a special in between each one.

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:53 PM

#

btw what does the artemis dash do??

hollow sorrel Jan 11, 2020, 7:53 PM

#

artemis dash boosts the dash attack

#

like, if you dash, then attack right afterwards

remote latch Jan 11, 2020, 7:54 PM

#

Or mash attack and dash buttons simultaneous

dusky coral Jan 11, 2020, 7:54 PM

#

+dash attack dmg, if you get hammer upgraded dash attack for sword where it hits twice its quite strong

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:55 PM

#

huh

#

then it's not too bad then

#

btw question what's the best bow?

rich edge Jan 11, 2020, 7:56 PM

#

last aspect

dusky coral Jan 11, 2020, 7:56 PM

#

Either the load cast one or homing special

rich edge Jan 11, 2020, 7:56 PM

#

load up casts and 1 shot

dusky coral Jan 11, 2020, 7:56 PM

#

Depends on build

rich edge Jan 11, 2020, 7:56 PM

#

pick up casts and 1 shot again

icy edge Jan 11, 2020, 7:57 PM

#

I wish I could be bad at Hades again

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:57 PM

#

huh, then the hermes auto-pickup is probably a pretty nice combo

icy edge Jan 11, 2020, 7:57 PM

#

If I start over from the beginning with a new save

#

I'm likely to stomp out Meg every time

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:58 PM

#

who won't stomp meg everytime]

icy edge Jan 11, 2020, 7:58 PM

#

And miss 90% of Hypnos dialogue as only Hades or the Extreme Measures Hydra can kill me

remote latch Jan 11, 2020, 7:58 PM

#

I swear I haven’t seen a Poseidon or Zeus power up in like 7 runs now... starting to think it’s a big.

#

Bug

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

for me it's artemis but i choose not to have her lmao

#

her buffs are ok but are outclassed by the other gods

dusky coral Jan 11, 2020, 8:01 PM

#

Artemis for crit build is bae tho

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 8:01 PM

#

yeah but any other situation and she just doesn't really do anything useful

rich edge Jan 11, 2020, 8:02 PM

#

dam lost heat 9 due to not getting good rng on gods -.-

#

rip 12 win streak

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 8:02 PM

#

i'm just here finally being able to kill hades from time to time jeez

dusky coral Jan 11, 2020, 8:03 PM

#

Heat 9 huh. Im on a 6 winstreak heat 3 only. But im going up with heat on all weapons equally

rich edge Jan 11, 2020, 8:03 PM

#

I did the same which ever lights up for extra darkness

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 8:03 PM

#

any tips for improving my gameplay?

rich edge Jan 11, 2020, 8:04 PM

#

dash like madman, other than that get dual debuff ASAP for %50 dmg buff from mirror

#

love and war goes hand to hand

#

ares and aphroditie are pog especially if you can get artmeis as support

dusky coral Jan 11, 2020, 8:05 PM

#

Learn enemy attack patterns and actually dodge. You can basically do whole 1st phase of hades without getting hit quite easily

rich edge Jan 11, 2020, 8:05 PM

#

ares and athena are insane dps too gave me my best spear run

#

https://gyazo.com/7dde2c32cd37ae7ea17991ad92355a42

Gyazo

turbid needle Jan 11, 2020, 8:06 PM

#

Yeah, Merciful End will do that with any weapon.

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 8:06 PM

#

ngl i feel like they should rework the base rail

#

because it's litterly useless after a single upgrade from the hammer

dusky coral Jan 11, 2020, 8:08 PM

#

What do you mean?

#

With base rail?

turbid needle Jan 11, 2020, 8:08 PM

#

Rail is the best DPS weapon.

woeful stirrup Jan 11, 2020, 8:09 PM

#

I think they mean the +ammo bonus from Titan blood being useless because of infinity chamber.

turbid needle Jan 11, 2020, 8:09 PM

#

Ooohh, yeah, that.

#

I guess it shouldn't spawn?

dusky coral Jan 11, 2020, 8:10 PM

#

Ah, well i mean that aspect gives you incentive to not take it

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 8:10 PM

#

i meant base rail @dusky coral

#

the ammo upgrade is useless

turbid needle Jan 11, 2020, 8:10 PM

#

Then if it does appear it's free No Choice without the benefits of higher Heat.

dusky coral Jan 11, 2020, 8:12 PM

#

Could it not be good with like a zeus attack build tho? Assuming you dont get infinite ammo

#

Or something

turbid needle Jan 11, 2020, 8:12 PM

#

I think the solution is to make it so that Infinity Chamber won't spawn with Zagreus Aspect.

dusky coral Jan 11, 2020, 8:12 PM

#

Yeah probably

unkempt pagoda Jan 11, 2020, 8:28 PM

#

but that also involves making what should be the “default” aspect not compatible with everything

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 8:28 PM

#

i presonally think like, a whole rework of the base aspect

unkempt pagoda Jan 11, 2020, 8:28 PM

#

like, you play the game for a bit with the rail and use infinity chamber, then suddenly you unlock aspects and it’s not usable anymore

stuck kraken Jan 11, 2020, 9:12 PM

#

So how exactly does charm work? I can't tell if i just encountered a bug but i charmed the large snakestone miniboss, attacked it with the sword special, it popped my deaths defiance, attacked it again, it popped my deaths defiance n2.

rich edge Jan 11, 2020, 9:13 PM

#

it turns enemies to friendly

#

you might have charmed it right after it began to attack

#

that might be why

stuck kraken Jan 11, 2020, 9:15 PM

#

Pretty sure it wasn't moving at all after being charmed. The thing is even if it did attack it makes no sense for it to instantly kill me twice in a row. It was almost like it inherited all my revenge effects that i had at the time

pseudo topaz Jan 11, 2020, 9:18 PM

#

charm does not place any boons you have on you to any charmed enemies. tbh that sounds like you're encountering a bug

full flame Jan 11, 2020, 9:26 PM

#

There's a bug with charm, possible for enemies to damage you

#

And they get amped damage

red lantern Jan 11, 2020, 9:28 PM

#

l got 6 blood

#

l want to clear with a bow

#

which aspect should l get?

#

chiron feels pretty weak

full flame Jan 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

#

Chiron is amazing, when it's maxed

red lantern Jan 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

#

that's a problem

#

it cost so much

#

l can get it to level 3

full flame Jan 11, 2020, 9:30 PM

#

I still found it to be pretty good at like level 2

turbid needle Jan 11, 2020, 9:30 PM

#

Zagreus is good with Deadly Strike, and only costs 5 Titan Blood to max.

full flame Jan 11, 2020, 9:30 PM

#

Definitely priority is getting the extra arrows on special with hammer

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 9:57 PM

#

when you get an achilles spear run with 5 bloodstones but you make it to styx without being offered a cast boon

#

👌

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 9:58 PM

#

that's what we call

#

a bruh moment

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 10:00 PM

#

oh yeah i've also got the artemis boon that makes them fall out faster and the hermes legendary that makes them automatically return

#

but no cast boon

#

shadegrief

#

oh no

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 10:01 PM

#

that's a big yike

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 10:02 PM

#

i've been offered either to get shatter shot or the aphro legendary that I need for fated choice

#

shadedisgruntled

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 10:02 PM

#

uhh, shattor shot was the cast?

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 10:02 PM

#

yeah lol

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 10:02 PM

#

the cast for aphro sucks lmao

#

but her call is amazing against hades

#

the greater call

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 10:03 PM

#

its better than what i have currently which is nothing shadegrief

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 10:03 PM

#

but call tho

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 10:03 PM

#

theyre not offering her call

#

;-;

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 10:03 PM

#

oh bruh

#

well, guess cast it is

#

or maybe legendary

#

what does the legendary do?

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 10:04 PM

#

yeah ill get her legendary some other time i guess

#

gives weak effects a chance to charm

#

i think i lose to hades if i take it over the cast

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 10:04 PM

#

charm is super good tho

#

because if you charm hades he won't attack you

#

and doing it in quick succession makes the fight easy

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 10:05 PM

#

ahhhhh fine ill take it lol maybe ill get a different cast

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 10:05 PM

#

hahaha

wise cypress Jan 11, 2020, 10:05 PM

#

does anyone else strongly dislike the big chop hammer upgrade for the sword?

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 10:05 PM

#

yes me

#

i feel like half the sword upgrades are actually downgrades

wise cypress Jan 11, 2020, 10:06 PM

#

it feels like it would be more appreciable if it kinda homed in like the spear or shield toss

#

not at range, of course

#

but nudging you towards an enemy with each attack, so you arent always striking air

#

but maybe itd become too powerful then

plush holly Jan 11, 2020, 10:08 PM

#

it's just a downgrade really

upbeat wasp Jan 11, 2020, 10:08 PM

#

It just feels rough to make use of the full combo sometimes on sword so the final strike modifiers are ehh

#

If you get a good mix of EHP boons along the way and are using the crit sword, Cruel Thrust does work

wooden lodge Jan 11, 2020, 10:09 PM

#

has anyone here played Children of Morta? Is it similar to Hades? Kinda looks like it but I'm not sure https://store.steampowered.com/app/330020/Children_of_Morta/#app_reviews_hash

Steam

Children of Morta

IT RUNS IN THE FAMILYChildren of Morta is an action RPG with a rogue-lite approach to character development, where you don’t play a single character - but a whole, extraordinary family of heroes. Hack’n’slash through hordes of enemies in procedurally generated dungeons,...

Price

$21.99

Recommendations

3476

Metacritic

82

▶ Play video

upbeat wasp Jan 11, 2020, 10:10 PM

#

Double Nova I found kind of hard to make use of same with Flurry

rich edge Jan 11, 2020, 10:11 PM

#

I played it, its a good game. its more arpg and hades mixed

#

really good story aspect to that game too

wooden lodge Jan 11, 2020, 10:12 PM

#

so it leans a bit more into the Diablo style of combat and less into twitchy reflex based combat like hades?

rich edge Jan 11, 2020, 10:12 PM

#

pretty much

#

%100 worth the price if you havent played it

mild crag Jan 11, 2020, 10:14 PM

#

@upbeat wasp double nova for recently nerfed, didn't use to reduce the range. I think they went overboard with the nerf tho

#

Hopefully it'll get reverted or buffed in some manner

upbeat wasp Jan 11, 2020, 10:15 PM

#

I still haven't played with the cast recall version of the sword yet — it looks really good but highly dependent on boons

dapper cloak Jan 11, 2020, 10:18 PM

#

Have you guys noticed that, when equipped with sword and have gotten "flurry slash", you can mash "Cast" to speed up attacks

#

while holding down attack button obvoiusly

full flame Jan 11, 2020, 10:21 PM

#

i think the sword chop is good with a crit build

upbeat wasp Jan 11, 2020, 10:21 PM

#

Does it animation cancel and do the first frames of the sword swings again or something? Sounds interesting. Wonder how it works with the rapidfire Hermes boon

zenith sand Jan 11, 2020, 10:30 PM

#

What would you rate this 1-10 on comedic value?
https://amzn.to/2R5yQsd

hollow sorrel Jan 11, 2020, 10:31 PM

#

Related to the feedback channel, one of the limited time offer trades is 15 keys for a titan blood. It doesn't have very often, but I've done it a few times so far.

woeful stirrup Jan 11, 2020, 10:34 PM

#

Yeah, that trade has such great value, always happy to see it.

#

A lot of limited time offers are just shortcuts, with no added value. But this one, you get titan blood for 15 keys instead of 100 (5 for a nectar, 10 nectars per diamond, 2 diamonds per ambrosia, 1 ambrosia per blood).

dapper cloak Jan 11, 2020, 10:39 PM

#

TGDM, I think it cancels the animation. You really get a work out on your mashing hand. I don't know why I haven't tried this with other hold button attacks but I'm gonna get to it!

wooden lodge Jan 11, 2020, 10:57 PM

#

sub 20 minute hype https://i.imgur.com/zrWiud6.jpg

Imgur

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 11:01 PM

#

i've discovered the secret to using the sword

#

just mash X and A at the same time and spam dash attack

#

with the occasional special thrown in there to refresh nemesis aspect : ^)

#

also helps that i have the daedalus dash attack upgrade and +2 dashed from hermes

rich edge Jan 11, 2020, 11:05 PM

#

congratz @wooden lodge

dapper cloak Jan 11, 2020, 11:07 PM

#

Can't summons be used during bosses or are they just sealed against Hades?

stoic ginkgo Jan 11, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

You can use some of them

#

For story reasons

dapper cloak Jan 11, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

Ok

muted needle Jan 11, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

I don't know about skelly but sisyphus you can

#

There are great voice lines when you do

stoic ginkgo Jan 11, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

Like you can't get Meg to attack Hades

muted needle Jan 11, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

Nor the other furies

#

But meg will attack the hydra

#

for example

stoic ginkgo Jan 11, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

You can Skelly in Hades

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 11:28 PM

#

i coulda gotten sub 25 i think but i cleared all of styx just for fun https://i.gyazo.com/66f535080cf37f718ced29f923b07b75.jpg

#

im on a 4 streak with 6 total clears :D

turbid needle Jan 11, 2020, 11:32 PM

#

I'm so sick of getting randomly 1shot from the enemies I've charmed

#

I swear

stoic ginkgo Jan 11, 2020, 11:33 PM

#

Just don't use charm

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 11:33 PM

#

charm is kinda terrible in a game like this imo

#

consider it more as a soft cc

stoic ginkgo Jan 11, 2020, 11:33 PM

#

Wait until it's fixed

turbid needle Jan 11, 2020, 11:34 PM

#

I've lost all 3 of my death defiances to it

#

So annoying

dapper cloak Jan 11, 2020, 11:34 PM

#

the attack cancel via cast spamming seems to work with all "hold button to continuously attack" upgrades. I just confirmed it works with Bow and Flurry shot aswell.

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 11:35 PM

#

hmmm should i go for god's pride or fated authority

#

i only have 28 keys tho

turbid needle Jan 11, 2020, 11:36 PM

#

Don't do fated authority

#

Everything else before that

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 11:36 PM

#

hm i still havent maxed olympian favor yet holy

#

how high does it go? im currently at +43%

turbid needle Jan 11, 2020, 11:37 PM

#

50%

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 11:37 PM

#

ah im almost there lol

turbid needle Jan 11, 2020, 11:39 PM

#

lose 3 death defiances to charm

#

meet Patroclus

#

Nice

stoic ginkgo Jan 11, 2020, 11:40 PM

#

Fated Authority is a darkness sink

rich edge Jan 11, 2020, 11:41 PM

#

https://gyazo.com/dfc1101b7e26d2996cad5fc83cb80c6a

Heat lvl 12 done on shield, I am starting to feel the pressure now

Gyazo

#

thats it for today Iguess

stoic ginkgo Jan 11, 2020, 11:41 PM

#

It takes like 100k darkness to max Fated Authority

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 11:42 PM

#

oh wow

#

definitely doing the epic chance thing first then

turbid needle Jan 11, 2020, 11:42 PM

#

Oh cool the game crashed

onyx flint Jan 11, 2020, 11:42 PM

#

lol

#

feels good when that happens

#

definitely

dapper cloak Jan 11, 2020, 11:45 PM

#

quickest *Hades fight I've ever had. Bow-Zagreus aspect -Doubleshot, flurryshot, attack cancel. Holy- Cow. whole fight 40 sek + immortal shield stuff tops.

opal bay Jan 11, 2020, 11:45 PM

#

Hey so like, I forgot to share my cast build I did for the successful run so yeah posting it right now. I am still amazed 90% of the run consisted of me throwing cast at the enemies and then it quickly popping back out if I was out of cast somehow. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/665557097416753194/20200111133608_1.jpg

hollow sorrel Jan 11, 2020, 11:46 PM

#

You could always do hell mode instead, and not participate in the 100k darkness sink

opal bay Jan 11, 2020, 11:49 PM

#

That's for later when I can gain courage to do such.

dapper cloak Jan 11, 2020, 11:49 PM

#

Isn't steam overlay compatible with Hades? Or have I flicked a setting somewhere?

#

anyway... +1 Sub 20 hype!

mild crag Jan 11, 2020, 11:54 PM

#

you must've disabled it somewhere

dapper cloak Jan 11, 2020, 11:54 PM

#

ok

onyx flint Jan 12, 2020, 12:32 AM

#

Bouldy MVP shadesmile https://i.gyazo.com/89ec5650c26bd0f97dc7115040647e40.jpg

#

my first time doing the time limit heat modifier, almost lost a death defiance to the time out vs Theseus

#

i was at 4hp so one more tick and i was dead haha

#

I feel like maybe extreme measures theseus is actually maybe quicker to fight? since he doesnt use his shield until the second half of the fight

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 1:28 AM

#

speaking of cast builds -- https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/612382629505007618/665722618355384334/unknown.png?width=1618&height=911

#

so many artemis, was fun

#

had some nice 3k crits

onyx flint Jan 12, 2020, 1:35 AM

#

ah man

#

i lost my 5 streak to phase 2 hades with 40% hp because i tried to do the pact that give you less choices for the fated list :/

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 1:37 AM

#

yeah that one is a bit annoying

onyx flint Jan 12, 2020, 1:38 AM

#

I did manage to buy an extra titan blood from charon before the fight since I expected to lose anyway

#

so thats nice

#

i was so close i wonder if i could have beaten him with the other stuff in the shop tho :/

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 1:39 AM

#

nice, i'm bad at that

#

i'm so stubborn about admitting defeat, i'll blow it all on poms with the slimmest of hopes lol

#

yeah, i never want to have that thought after lol

onyx flint Jan 12, 2020, 1:40 AM

#

haha honestly i was hoping for some unique dialogue when i bought it but nothing

#

shadegrief

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 1:40 AM

#

speaking of unique dialogue, i love how i'm still finding new dialogues after 34 clears

onyx flint Jan 12, 2020, 1:41 AM

#

yeah i had one where i took a aphrodite boon and she told me to tell achilles she admired him

#

then when i got back to the house zagreus told him that

#

so that was pretty cool

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 1:41 AM

#

yeah that's cool

#

i just had the one where zeus has zag pass a message to hades

onyx flint Jan 12, 2020, 1:42 AM

#

noice

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 1:42 AM

#

jimmies were rustled

stuck bough Jan 12, 2020, 2:04 AM

#

up to what heat level does it give bounties?

pastel jolt Jan 12, 2020, 2:05 AM

#

20 in normal mode, 25 in hell mode (to account for the 5 you're forced to do)

#

or so i'm told

stuck bough Jan 12, 2020, 2:07 AM

#

Aight thanks!

wooden lodge Jan 12, 2020, 2:34 AM

#

mfw I realize I can speed-boost out of the blood when I resurrect thus saving like 4 seconds of animation time 😮

onyx flint Jan 12, 2020, 2:34 AM

#

i had to avenge my streak with another chaos shield run :p https://i.gyazo.com/a040107138907fe814b71343144f6e67.jpg

#

i tried the minus one choice pact again and somehow ended up getting three duo boons

twilit stag Jan 12, 2020, 2:36 AM

#

What's the reasoning for the 20 heat cap on rewards?

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 2:44 AM

#

probably to encourage use of other weapons in order to get more upgrades

pastel jolt Jan 12, 2020, 2:48 AM

#

yeah, that's 20 per weapon

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 2:49 AM

#

some people were debating Aphro cast build, so here ya go - https://gfycat.com/hugeaccuratebordercollie-hades

Gfycat

Hades 2020.01.11 - 19.58.11.01

▶ Play video

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 2:50 AM

#

I'm confused, debating if it's good?

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 2:50 AM

#

yeah

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 2:50 AM

#

cause aphrodite's cast is easily one of the best in game

#

if you're looking for straight damage anyways

naive cobalt Jan 12, 2020, 2:51 AM

#

For sure

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 2:51 AM

#

i think i even saw someone yesterday claim they thought it was one of the worst

#

i was rather shocked

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 2:52 AM

#

probably the same person who thinks the sword is the worst weapon

#

"oh god I have to get within 10 feet of an enemy"

dreamy oxide Jan 12, 2020, 2:53 AM

#

i just beat my best time (which is admittedly 45 minutes) down to 29 because of a doom and attack speed rail build and. i am so impressed by how that works

#

i love all the options for functional variety

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 2:54 AM

#

just stacking doom? or with deflect/merciful end

dreamy oxide Jan 12, 2020, 2:54 AM

#

deflect/merciful end

#

got lucky enough to end up with deflect on special and ran it that way

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 2:55 AM

#

So is it just me that thinks Zeus's boons need a buff? I get that he's about AoE damage/on-hit abilities, but compared to every other boon, with any weapon in the game, all his boons get outclassed for damage pretty hard

dreamy oxide Jan 12, 2020, 2:55 AM

#

it does feel like once you end up 1v1 with the bosses, zeus isn't near as useful as most of the others

#

even the bosses with adds don't really... make up for it. imo

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 2:56 AM

#

zeus is more about a lot of fast applications of lightning rather than slower big hits

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 2:56 AM

#

even in normal rooms I'd rather not have zeus :/

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 2:57 AM

#

if you get enough zeus, his damage is pretty good

#

zeus/poseidon is fun

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 2:58 AM

#

I had a run with the zag version of the railgun, full zeus bonuses (lightning hits twice, even lightning hit makes it hit for 40 again, any knockback effect applies 40 lightning Poseidon duo, and poseidon boon on the attack) and it still felt worse than dio/aphrodite poison build

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 2:59 AM

#

dio/aphro might be a bit too strong in some cases; it's so passive, just apply stacks and watch damage happen

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 2:59 AM

#

I mean... standard poison is 6 damage per tick, 8 ticks per application, which is 48 damage. Zeus adds 13 damage base. I understand that once you cap the poison limit, the damage falls off... but still, if you shoot something 5 times then just kite, it's safer and more damaging

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 3:00 AM

#

the bigger benefit of zeus is dealing with crowds, bc of the chain lightning

#

it's just more of a grind on bosses

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 3:01 AM

#

the part that annoys me most about zeus is it still only procs once per attack, no matter what

#

if you have double arrow, or scattershot, it only hits once

stuck bough Jan 12, 2020, 3:01 AM

#

for a artemis + aphro, which should go to attack and special?

granite lava Jan 12, 2020, 3:01 AM

#

zeus hidden op, lightning damage crits when your weapon crits

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 3:02 AM

#

there's only like 3 things in the game that add crit chance to zeus boons tho

granite lava Jan 12, 2020, 3:02 AM

#

idk I always play sword crit aspect and I like zeus

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 3:02 AM

#

I havent tried the crit aspect much, the 3 second duration seems low

#

poseidan 50% cast damage and knockout is so strong

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 3:03 AM

#

3 second duration is more than enough time

granite lava Jan 12, 2020, 3:03 AM

#

the thing is you can add the special in your combo and always have the crit

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 3:03 AM

#

get plenty of hits off and then just special again

#

yeah exactly

granite lava Jan 12, 2020, 3:03 AM

#

like the spear after charging you can dash to move while using the attack

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 3:04 AM

#

poseidon maxed out is great for cast buidls specifically

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 3:04 AM

#

which is the only reason I can stand using the spear lol

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 3:04 AM

#

but nemesis is more versatile i'd say

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 3:04 AM

#

poseidon still does fine with non-cast based builds as well. You're losing either 30% movespeed, or the crit on attack

#

tho obviously it favors builds that cast

granite lava Jan 12, 2020, 3:05 AM

#

yeah pos aspect with exit wounds is really strong

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 3:05 AM

#

yeeee

#

exit wounds + 3 ammo

granite lava Jan 12, 2020, 3:06 AM

#

you can get more casts with the well and chaos boons too

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 3:06 AM

#

yeah

#

i had 8 casts on a run last night, with hermes flurry cast

#

was so fun

granite lava Jan 12, 2020, 3:06 AM

#

wutmo

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 3:06 AM

#

I think my favorite cast has to be athena with the zeus duo boon

#

the damage output against packs is insane

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 3:07 AM

#

but that wasn't poseidon, it was a spear run with ares/artemis hunting blades

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 3:07 AM

#

was that the 16 blades picture on reddit lol

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 3:08 AM

#

oh that wasn't me, but i did have the extra projectile per cast too, so i had the 16 going for a bit

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 3:08 AM

#

I had basically the same thing, but I had the athena cast with zeus duo boon

#

16 bouncing balls of death

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 3:09 AM

#

cast builds are slowly becoming my favorite

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 3:09 AM

#

and I had the poseidon sword, so it was an extremly fast reload balls of death

#

I think cast builds are the best overall. they can carry you pretty much no matter what weapon you have

#

my favorite weapon is still the bow with chiron aspect

full flame Jan 12, 2020, 3:10 AM

#

same!

#

i love that thing

#

i like doom on special, and just stack insane doom hits

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 3:11 AM

#

yup

#

or push for aphrodite charm

#

and faceroll the game because everything is charmed forever

solid cairn Jan 12, 2020, 4:11 AM

#

@full flame Nemesis is just plain fun

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 5:03 AM

#

What pact options are y'all's favs? I've got middle management on always now, maxed jury duty, extreme measures 1 (I don't like the EX Hydra fight) and thinking about cranking up forced overtime next as I have to keep increasing the heat

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:07 AM

#

I play on ~10 now minimum and i put enemy dmg at 100% and avoid hp and blue hearts, i prefer customs over less choices too. I usually take tight deadline 9 but 7 is ok depending on build

#

Reduced healing is ok but 75% is rough

#

All 3 ex bosses are fine for me too

karmic coyote Jan 12, 2020, 5:11 AM

#

anything except tight deadline, no choice and jury summons for me

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:11 AM

#

But not theseus on 7min usually, elysium.....

#

I hate trap damage though its the worst i always clip them lmao

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 5:15 AM

#

Oh dang I like jury summons

#

I hate no choice, underworld customs, and budget cut

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:15 AM

#

Thats more enemies right?

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 5:15 AM

#

Yeah

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:16 AM

#

Personally i would rather take tight deadline 9m than 2 points in jury summons, but other health punishments make tight deadline harder too

#

9 min is really really doable

#

Unless you get like all 5 paths in styx or absolutely screwed in elysium

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 5:18 AM

#

I don't like most of the pact options tbh. The ones that make obols and healing less effective are just sad, the ones where the enemies take more damage seem tedious but might not be bad

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:19 AM

#

Killing things fast is a goof way to avoid damage

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 5:19 AM

#

The ones where I take more damage from enemies and traps are stressful lol

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:19 AM

#

Good even

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 5:19 AM

#

Yeah

#

Also a good way to minimize thumb stress lol

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:19 AM

#

:p

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 5:20 AM

#

Or strain, whatevs

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:20 AM

#

I

#

broke my bumper

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 5:20 AM

#

Lol noooo

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:20 AM

#

F

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 5:20 AM

#

How

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:20 AM

#

Vanish

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 5:20 AM

#

Did you re bind?

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:20 AM

#

Imma just get a new one

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 5:20 AM

#

Good call

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:20 AM

#

left bumper keeps strafing left no matter what I do now

crimson geyser Jan 12, 2020, 5:21 AM

#

Left bumper is codex for me p sure

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:21 AM

#

RIP xbox controller

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:22 AM

#

I use a switch pro controller lol it feels really nice but a lil more expensive iirc

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:23 AM

#

I like the weight and battery life for Xbox elite controller

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:23 AM

#

Yeah switch pro is really heavy too

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:23 AM

#

well it serves me for an year now, so i guess it's ok.

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:23 AM

#

Its the first nintendo product ive bought in like 15 years that feels like nintendium

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:23 AM

#

oh yeah btw is it compatible with ps4 by any chance?

#

lol tell me about it

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:24 AM

#

Probably not

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:24 AM

#

hmm ok

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:24 AM

#

Idk about battery life either, i use it wired

#

Old fashioned lol

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:25 AM

#

oh I like wireless, xbox got a long life span

#

I always forget to charge but it can sustain for half a week. and I'm heavy controller user too.

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:25 AM

#

Nice

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:26 AM

#

Vanish now i have to wait till the new one comes.

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:26 AM

#

Rip

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:26 AM

#

I guess broke my controller while playing Hades is worth it lol

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 5:26 AM

#

Feel like that should be a pin

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:27 AM

#

KyoukoGoogly

royal yarrow Jan 12, 2020, 5:27 AM

#

aaaaaaaaaah i cant wait for the update

#

😡

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:27 AM

#

me neither

#

teeheeohnooo i'm melting

royal yarrow Jan 12, 2020, 5:28 AM

#

oh nosies

dreamy oxide Jan 12, 2020, 5:32 AM

#

i have such a real problem remembering to use my companion 😠

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:32 AM

#

^

#

5 usage and I end up using 1

#

almost everytime

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:33 AM

#

that feeling when you get the satyr sack on the first hallway, but you really want that boon on the elite room

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:36 AM

#

never really get the sack on the first hallway ever

#

cry

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:37 AM

#

usually I'd be super happy about it, but I'm 90% certain the boon would give me the duo boon for athena/ares and I need it

unkempt pagoda Jan 12, 2020, 5:38 AM

#

just do it

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:38 AM

#

loses 2 DD because of BS satyr elite

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:40 AM

#

get one DD from Chaos but lose 2 because of -4 hp per attack in asphodel transport mini boss

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:41 AM

#

oof. yeah depending on the weapon I would never take -hp for attack, unless I had a really good cast, or was super confidant in my ability to kite

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:42 AM

#

one DD is just too tempting offer it stupefied me.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:42 AM

#

the murder boat gets really mean when you turn on middle management

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:43 AM

#

yeah... i like medusa and rocky thingy mini boss better

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:43 AM

#

without middle management I was like "why do people even worry about the murder boat, it's easy"

#

then I turned it on and was like "oh damn this is insane

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:43 AM

#

ellenLUL

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:44 AM

#

there's runs where I think the murder boat would just end them because I dont have enough boons or damage by that point

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:45 AM

#

Yeah. happens a lot when i'm too picky about boons rarity.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:46 AM

#

I sometimes refuse to take a attack or special boon early, because I dont like that god's boon with the weapon I'm using

#

and then I just never see a special/attack boon again until elysium

#

"oh, you need an attack boon? here, have a call!"

#

noooo my run, whyyyyyy

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:48 AM

#

Yeah, always have some specific builds in mind when starting, but end up something else entirely.

#

but always kinda picky at the beginning. kek.

#

serenityhyper gimme what I want game

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:55 AM

#

I did iiiiiiit

#

https://i.imgur.com/JX1LUiK.png

Imgur

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 5:59 AM

#

weeee

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:59 AM

#

Ignore the run time, I was being actively bothered by a cat

lofty urchin Jan 12, 2020, 5:59 AM

#

The game supports PS4 controllers

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 5:59 AM

#

you should be able to tell, judging by my other weapon records, just how much of a jump in difficulty that was 😛

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 6:00 AM

#

yep, another mountain climbed. nice

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:02 AM

#

Spoilerific, goodbye post

#

what is this

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 6:02 AM

#

shhh

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:02 AM

#

er... is that technically a spoiler?

#

yeah one sec

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 6:02 AM

#

don't wanna spoil the surprise

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:03 AM

#

quickly, to the spoiler section

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 6:17 AM

#

13 runs now

#

and meg still hasn't showed up at the house

#

OTL

worldly mauve Jan 12, 2020, 6:18 AM

#

dusa

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:29 AM

#

best girl

#

the dusa keepsake does so much work.... sometimes.

#

and other times its like "please, may I have just one healing item?"

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 6:32 AM

#

https://imgur.com/e5RfjyD

Imgur

#

just had what I think was my best run

#

doom and weak is my favorite combo by far

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:33 AM

#

thats railgun?

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 6:33 AM

#

yeah

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:34 AM

#

yeah doom weak railgun is really good. super safe to play, and decent damage even if you can't maintain attacking

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 6:34 AM

#

the time wasn't all that impressive, I wasn't hurrying or anything but it was super easy

#

definitely compensates for the railguns lower attack damage as well

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:35 AM

#

As much as I like the idea of the legendary boons... Most of them feel terrible

serene nexus Jan 12, 2020, 6:35 AM

#

Regardless of what aspect you have you NEED to use the Rail’s special for decent damage

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:35 AM

#

Like, usually raw damage is better than most of them

#

Hestia's first shot deletes things

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 6:36 AM

#

I mostly just shot the rocket, fired a few shots, then focused on dodging and doom handled the rest

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:36 AM

#

The special is good and you should use it, but the Hestia aspect is nuts

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 6:36 AM

#

also I agree hestia aspect is real nice

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:36 AM

#

Zag aspect on the rail is just poopoo mode

#

Like it has negative synergy with the rest of the hammer upgrades

#

I don't really understand that

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 6:37 AM

#

The only negative synergy it has is with Infinity chamber.

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:37 AM

#

not true, the hammer upgrade that increases attack speed and ammo count is good

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:37 AM

#

Yeah but that is good on literally all of the aspects

#

And its the worst on the Zag aspect

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:37 AM

#

and it's good with any of the special upgrades as well

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 6:37 AM

#

You're gonna have to explain to me how that works, forge10.

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:38 AM

#

Pretty much all of the upgrades are superior on the other aspects

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 6:38 AM

#

How does even more ammo make +ammo and accuracy bad?

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:38 AM

#

ammo accuracy and most importantly, more attack speed

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:38 AM

#

I never said that particular upgrade makes it bad 🙃

#

@turbid needle

#

In fact I specifically said "that is good on literally all of the aspects"

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:38 AM

#

I'd say that having more attack speed benefits zag the most actually

#

the other aspects you'll end up reloading enough that it'll drop your overall dps

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:39 AM

#

Second form a lot more, the DPS is significantly higher

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 6:39 AM

#

Eris benefits most from Infinity Chamber.

#

Or Spread Fire.

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:39 AM

#

Yeah Eris is great with both of those

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:39 AM

#

I can't get used to dropping the special on myself, I'll be honest

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:39 AM

#

I fire it on the enemies and jump at them

#

When you get the shotgun upgrade you're now Doomguy

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:40 AM

#

I dunno, maybe zag is weaker than the other aspects, but for me it smooths out the gameplay

#

the constant reloading bothers me

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:41 AM

#

It has strictly lower DPS than the other two so you're giving up quite a bit for convenience honestly

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 6:41 AM

#

~Infinity Chamber~

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:41 AM

#

That also exists

#

Hestia's first shot does almost as much damage as Zag's entire mag

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:41 AM

#

I never see infinity chamber, and even if I did I wouldnt take it if I wasn't using eris 😛

#

fair enough, I do enjoy playing hestia. It's fun to make a sniper build that crits for 1k

#

to be honest tho, most of the zag aspects of weapons are strictly worse than the other aspects

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 6:43 AM

#

I really like Zagreus Aspect bow.

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:43 AM

#

Spear Zag is also good

#

Zag aspect shield is good too technically, but why ever use it over chaos shield lmaoo

obtuse tapir Jan 12, 2020, 6:43 AM

#

spear zag with the hammer support is awesome

#

crazy dps

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:43 AM

#

Oh yeah

#

The launcher mode

#

WEW

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:44 AM

#

You know, I actually prefer zag shield. The chaos shield just never worked for me

obtuse tapir Jan 12, 2020, 6:44 AM

#

reminds me of the old time when return damage was +50% and critical chance was 100%

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:44 AM

#

Chaos shield is the most powerful weapon in the game by a wide margin

#

Awkward to use at first but once you learn its bonkers

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:44 AM

#

the extra shields never hit anything

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:44 AM

#

You use it to shotgun

#

Bull rush at enemy > special

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:45 AM

#

oh, it can shotgun? alright, so you have to use it like the zag bow

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:45 AM

#

Each individual shield can have a Zeus bolt too as an example of how it interacts with boons

#

So you can just delete people real fast

void vault Jan 12, 2020, 6:45 AM

#

Something I wish the game had is 1) reminder of whose boon is which when you hover over them in your boons list, and more importantly, 2) a pop-up showing what the boon you currently have does when a god offers to replace a boon, so you can do a side-by-side comparison

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:46 AM

#

I also don't really have any issues with clearing rooms honestly either for AoE on small stuff

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:46 AM

#

Wait, each shield gets a zeus bolt? thats BS, the bow doesn't get that

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:46 AM

#

Press B @void vault

#

When in the boon selection screen

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:46 AM

#

actually none of the other weapons gets a second zeus bolt, thats got to be a bug

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:46 AM

#

You can look at your boons when selecting a new boon

void vault Jan 12, 2020, 6:46 AM

#

Oh, I didn't know you could, thanks Forge, I'll try that

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:46 AM

#

np

#

I don't remember if it tells you which god each boon is from, but they're all color coded so I never had any problems with that

#

@unkempt ridge Imho the arrow special should get individual zeus bolts

#

And no its not a bug

#

Its just op

void vault Jan 12, 2020, 6:47 AM

#

Yes, now that I'm more familiar with the boons is less of a problem, but I was pretty confused when I started playing

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:48 AM

#

Oh yeah when I started playing I was like 'what the hell does any of this even do' since the descriptions are really... lacking

#

Like the stuff that says 'extended range', like bruh how much bigger? 20%? 60%?

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:48 AM

#

I think every single hit should proc zeus effects, but that would mean that the zag bow could proc zeus up to 13 times in a single shot, which might be OP

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:48 AM

#

I think that's fine if they tone down the bolt's individual damage

#

Its much more satisfying

#

And feels fairer

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:49 AM

#

if they do that, weapons like the sword might suffer

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:49 AM

#

I mean specifically for the bow

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:49 AM

#

that means changing the boons on a per weapon basis, which they haven't done so far

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:50 AM

#

I think its a mistake not to when you have aspects and weapons that play radically different from each other, and if they only have to do it with Zeus bolt I think that's fair

#

I get the idea of opening pandora's box but I can't really think of another boon I would do this to

void vault Jan 12, 2020, 6:50 AM

#

Yes, it could be balanced damage-wise, but I think it'd be alright if the bow special had that sort of advantage of multiproccing. I thought of it about the artemis special that triggers a bolt... I thought one would pop up or each arrow that hits

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:50 AM

#

Because the bolts are technically already an exception for the bow's special

void vault Jan 12, 2020, 6:50 AM

#

*for

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:50 AM

#

Each individual projectile already procs poison too as an example

#

I feel like they had to specifically turn that off for the bolts because they felt it was too powerful early on

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:51 AM

#

yeah, but it only procs one bolt. Same thing if you get the shotgun for railgun, or the double arrow for bow

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:51 AM

#

Each arrow for bow's daedalus upgrade should have a bolt though?

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:52 AM

#

nope

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:52 AM

#

Unless that's another bizarre exception, it procs two of every other boon

#

Real weird they just nerfed the bow with Zeus Lmao

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:52 AM

#

1 artemis bolt, 1 zeus lightning strike per attack

#

I think it's on-hit procs

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:53 AM

#

Hmmm like Artemis' arrows?

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:53 AM

#

yeah

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:53 AM

#

That's probably it

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:53 AM

#

poison just gets applied by damage

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:53 AM

#

That would definitely explain it

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:53 AM

#

artemis arrows and zeus gets applied by hits

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:53 AM

#

Real good with Rail in general tho tbh

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:53 AM

#

but ofc, only one per special or attack

#

yeah the railgun with support fire is fun

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:54 AM

#

Its a shame that Zeus/Artemis Duo is... what it is

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 6:55 AM

#

I actually got pretty hefty use out of it in one game

#

I had 8 casts, but my cast was level 1

#

so I just left all the ammo on the ground and kited the boss through it

turbid needle Jan 12, 2020, 6:56 AM

#

It's good for burning down non-EM Theseus.

fallow niche Jan 12, 2020, 6:56 AM

#

I really dislike how awkward it is to use, especially in open areas

#

I can't just place it down

obtuse tapir Jan 12, 2020, 7:26 AM

#

I just became curious, what are your favorite gods?

#

I almost always go for glass cannon builds because damage reduction doesn't seem like worth it

#

so I always go for Artemis and Athena

#

but I wonder if there are some other gods that can provide me some wonderful and fun gameplay

#

Dio and Aphrodite were kinda too weak for me

#

Zeus was too conditional

#

Ares I wasn't so sure about

remote talon Jan 12, 2020, 7:28 AM

#

At first Athena, but I love Aphrodite and Artemis

obtuse tapir Jan 12, 2020, 7:28 AM

#

Poseidon was cool at first but knocking off does too little in later chambers

remote talon Jan 12, 2020, 7:28 AM

#

Friend likes Zeus, Poseidon and Artemis

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:30 AM

#

aphrodite and dio are probably the 2 I like the most, but athena and artemis have their strengths

remote talon Jan 12, 2020, 7:31 AM

#

If I could say specific boons then Aphrodite's attack, cast and more damage to weakened enemies, I always try to go for those

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:32 AM

#

aphrodite's cast is pretty crazy damage if you're looking for a glass cannon build

remote talon Jan 12, 2020, 7:32 AM

#

And it's got a wide AoE

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:32 AM

#

athena's cast with zeus duo boon is up there as well, and actually has some deflect built in

#

buuuut you have to take a zeus boon, and zeus is terriblew

remote talon Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 AM

#

I liked deflect at first, but...

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 AM

#

I think deflect is really strong on certain skills, or weapons

remote talon Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 AM

#

I don't care for it now

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 AM

#

deflect dash is still the best dash

remote talon Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 AM

#

It is

#

Can agree with that one

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:33 AM

#

deflect on the bow special can be really good

#

especially with the artemis duo boon

remote talon Jan 12, 2020, 7:35 AM

#

I remember I had this combo. Exagryph with the wide shot, explosive shot, Aphrodite attack, cast, damage to weak enemies

#

Clear on my 2nd try with this weapon, just because of this combo

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:36 AM

#

yeah, anything with aphodite heavy boons will do pretty insane damage

remote talon Jan 12, 2020, 7:36 AM

#

I completely shattered the last boss

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:36 AM

#

her base damage % boost is the highest, and dealing extra damage to weakened foes just makes it crazy

remote talon Jan 12, 2020, 7:37 AM

#

Absolute victory, add in the fact that my friend is kind of an expert on these games, rougelikes (compared to me I'd say atleast), and I won the final boss battle before him, when I had an issue with the gay combo in Elysium

#

I was shook

#

This game was my first rouge-like tbh

proper jolt Jan 12, 2020, 7:41 AM

#

Slay the spire and enter the gungeon are the only ones I could get into but Hades is insane man I just keep playing all I can it's so much fun I do hope the sword gets buffed tho

remote talon Jan 12, 2020, 7:42 AM

#

I like the sword, I have some serious issues with the bow...not to my liking

left timber Jan 12, 2020, 7:42 AM

#

probably the most forgiving roguelike dating sim ever made

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:42 AM

#

Im so bad with the bow

#

I'm satisfied with heat 3

remote talon Jan 12, 2020, 7:42 AM

#

I hate the charge with the thing

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:42 AM

#

not using that thing anymore lol

proper jolt Jan 12, 2020, 7:43 AM

#

Once I get the timing down the bow will be better

#

Or if I get better versions of the bow

#

How does everyone feel about the gun?

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:43 AM

#

Gun is fun

#

good with status effect builds

plush pond Jan 12, 2020, 7:43 AM

#

I dont really like the gun but im not great with it so thats probably why

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:44 AM

#

does hestia work with spreadfire, or does it only affect one bullet....

plush pond Jan 12, 2020, 7:44 AM

#

I always feel like Im doing fine then I hit elysium and Im suddenly doing no damage

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:44 AM

#

pretty sure it works with spreadfire

proper jolt Jan 12, 2020, 7:44 AM

#

In terms of calls I think ares and posideion are the best

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:44 AM

#

yeah thats its main drawback

proper jolt Jan 12, 2020, 7:44 AM

#

I wanna start using Athena's more

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:44 AM

#

it's attack damage doesnt scale great, which is why later you start relying on special alot, or build for status effects and not care anymore

plush pond Jan 12, 2020, 7:44 AM

#

ares call can get absurd with enough of the blade rift upgrades

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:45 AM

#

Ares' call is absurd on base level, then you start adding god gauge or damage upgrades on top of it

#

and its easily the best call in the game

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:45 AM

#

Athena's call is only good if you can do a ton of damage while it's active

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:45 AM

#

easily

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:45 AM

#

makes every single fight a joke

plush pond Jan 12, 2020, 7:45 AM

#

Ive killed theseus from half health with a single greater ares call before
felt pretty good

proper jolt Jan 12, 2020, 7:45 AM

#

Aphrodite's call is awful

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:45 AM

#

ares call is great, it's free damage and free invuln for a long time

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:45 AM

#

worst call is imo Aphro and Artemis

proper jolt Jan 12, 2020, 7:45 AM

#

Posideion is good for quick damage

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:46 AM

#

artemis just doesnt last long enough imo

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:46 AM

#

Artemis' call deals less damage than what you attack/special is supposed to be at in Elysium

#

lol

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:46 AM

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLN6GghcySs

YouTube

Ruggeru

Theseus gets deleted

ares broke

▶ Play video

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:46 AM

#

yeah artemis call isn't great... if you get lucky with crits, it can do insane damage, but you need the crits

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:46 AM

#

feel like her call should shoot 10 arrows on each activation, but those arrows have like a 5% chance to crit?

#

then her full guage call is 10 arrows

#

all 100% chance to crit

#

or something along those lines

#

right now it feels like crap when you activate your full call and the boss's health barely even goes down

proper jolt Jan 12, 2020, 7:47 AM

#

Ares can just shred anything in it's path

#

The three fates basically just die

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:47 AM

#

oh, so hestia doesn't worth with scattershot btw. The first shot is just a single shot, then all the following shots are scatter.... so it sort of works? but why would you ever not just reload after the first shot 😛

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:48 AM

#

If you wanna run hella easy Rail techniques, just get boos that outright affect special damage by % and Zeus' attack boon

#

or Dio's attack boon

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:48 AM

#

considering that the rest of the shots combined dont do as much damage as the charged shot, lol

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:48 AM

#

makes the rail a lot better

plush pond Jan 12, 2020, 7:48 AM

#

neither rail aspect seems very good

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 7:48 AM

#

yo you can buy a charon thing with 11 charges and then swap keepsake and it still has 11 charges

#

thats amazing

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:48 AM

#

yeah use base Rail aspect

#

and yeah, if you aren't looking to level up check the shop during the mid-transition hallways

#

if you see Eye of Lamia

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:49 AM

#

I very much think the hestia aspect is the best rail aspect

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:49 AM

#

change to Charon shop, buy eye and you're set for the entire next 1 and a half biomes

#

its crazy

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 7:49 AM

#

charos thing is op is heck but i didnt know this interaction

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:49 AM

#

you need the hestia aspect to be rank 5 to be worth using

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 7:49 AM

#

i am happy

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:49 AM

#

yeah the Rail needs heavy investment in the other aspects

#

i'd say not too worth it unless you really like it? split investing seems better to farm bounties

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:50 AM

#

the rail with zag aspect +1 is probably the strongest weapon in the game with the least investment

#

once you get other aspects up to level 5 tho it falls behind pretty badly

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:50 AM

#

yup

#

Zag Rail is an aspect that's always realiable

#

cough unlike some other Zag aspects cough

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:51 AM

#

maybe I'm bad but I dont get the eris aspect

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:51 AM

#

coughtheswordcough

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:51 AM

#

is Bltiz Shield worth the investment at all? it's

#

seemingly so bad

#

but mine is only at level 2

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:51 AM

#

I've had success with Blitz shield

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:52 AM

#

eris aspect at level 5 is a permanent 60% damage boost

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:52 AM

#

It's kinda like discount blade rift cast

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:52 AM

#

i just keep using Chaos, farm Ares' special doom boon

#

and go to town

#

i just realized if you Hestia aspect and take infinity chamber

#

you're screwed right

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:52 AM

#

the benefits of eris is that it's easily adapted to any build. it can run attack heavy, special heavy, or cast heavy and still have a 60% damage boost to everything

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:52 AM

#

I've thought that but tbh I've never taken infinity chamber lol

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:53 AM

#

i think i made that mistake once

#

lol

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:53 AM

#

I had the option to take infinity on this hestia run and decided not to test it ;P

#

I'm sure thats googleable

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 7:54 AM

#

nah u can still reload

#

but sure its not the hottest pick

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:54 AM

#

thats good lol

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:54 AM

#

my best run was Zag Rail with Spread Shot Explosive Shot and Aphro's damage boost

#

and Arte's Dash boon

#

Dash, shoot, no more elite enemies

#

i wish i could do it again

#

but it was really one of those 'the stars aligned' build

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:55 AM

#

had one of those recently with revenge stuff

#

I forget its name but I found the boon that activates your revenge periodically early in the run

#

and then I just kept finding revenge boons

#

and just killed everything by being there

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:56 AM

#

shooting things for 800 damage per shot with Hestia is fun

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:57 AM

#

the biggest mistake i made was choosing Zeus/Artemis duo boon (lighting strike on pickup shots)

#

and then at the end

#

picking Hermes' Legendary boon

#

ip

#

*rip

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:57 AM

#

LOL

#

rip build

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:57 AM

#

lmao

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:57 AM

#

i picked it

#

and the MOMENT i clicked on it

#

i went

#

'NO WAIT'

#

'OH GOD'

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:57 AM

#

Binding of Isaac moment

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 7:58 AM

#

"oooo legendaNOWAITIDIDNTMEANIT"

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:58 AM

#

yup

#

pretty much

#

just my primate brain going

#

'ooo ornage'

#

'must be good'

#

click

#

'WAITNO'

#

i lost pretty bad

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:58 AM

#

F

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:58 AM

#

cause my entire build was around just dropping my stuff

#

and standing around doing nothing

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 7:59 AM

#

sounds interactive

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 7:59 AM

#

wanted to have some fun :P

#

but of course

#

my tiny primate brain went 'shiny' and ruined it all

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:00 AM

#

okay so like, everyone seems to like chiron bow

#

but i just really cannot make it work for me lmfao

#

I like hera bow 😰

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:00 AM

#

I can't make bow work for me at all

#

what do I do with it

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:00 AM

#

is your chiron bow level 5?

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:00 AM

#

dudei hate chrion bow

#

i love hera bow

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:00 AM

#

Yes it is

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:00 AM

#

how can you not love chiron bow!?!?

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:01 AM

#

there's 2 builds for bows: special overloading damage with Chrion bow or just grab every single crit modifier Artemis gives you

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:01 AM

#

it gives you 7 guaranteed hits

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:01 AM

#

I just dont understand why play chiron bow over zag spear if you're just going to play crits

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:01 AM

#

and hope you get the shots deal 300% damage from Hammer

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:01 AM

#

I dont play crits with chiron

#

I mean, you could

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:01 AM

#

Bow is basically running away and sniping everything from a medium-long range

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:01 AM

#

but you could also go poison, doom, poseidon.... anything reakky

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:02 AM

#

dash away and kite them, and you don't have to depend on your powershots, just deal damage and run

#

doom effects are also pretty good

#

cause of the slow attack speed it highly augments your damage

#

posidon builds for bows i've made work before but it suffers a LOT in bosses

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:02 AM

#

doom on attack with poison on special with chiron bow is awesome

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:02 AM

#

Yeah thats basically the best build I would expect

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:03 AM

#

and if you get good with it, you can make it so you hit 2-3 enemies with the poison just due to angling the flight path

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:03 AM

#

doom attack + poison special

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:04 AM

#

you can also go poseidon/zeus for the duo boon, which applies the 40 lightning damage on every arrow from the special

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:04 AM

#

if you dont hit multiple targets with poison special though then its 5 of your 7 hits and just ~40 damage extra from the two so to speak

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:04 AM

#

fair, but then you just hit them with more doom while you wait for poison to tick down

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:04 AM

#

or if you wanna just cheese your way through just get zeus/dio's duo boon since you (are probably) going after their boons anyway?

#

and just festive fog everything to death

#

:P

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:04 AM

#

or go aphrodite and get the duo boon for extra poison stacks

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:05 AM

#

If i was going zeus/dio I would definitely go hera

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:05 AM

#

or go aphrodite/artemis... or athena/artemis...

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:05 AM

#

whats ya'lls favorite spear aspect

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:05 AM

#

really, anything works with chiron, thats why I like it

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:05 AM

#

yeah Aphro/Artemis I've had the most consistent success with Bow

#

Spear Aspect is Hades for me

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:05 AM

#

zag is the best spear 😛

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:06 AM

#

I love that hades aspect so much

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:06 AM

#

I like hades as well

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:06 AM

#

it scales so well

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:06 AM

#

nice consistent damage

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:06 AM

#

zag + rocket spear

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:06 AM

#

I like zag spear w artemis build

#

its really basic but the special is so fast and so long range

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:06 AM

#

yeh

#

i personally don't like the playstyle too much

#

so i steer away from it :P

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:07 AM

#

I usually try to get aphrodite cast to make up for lack of aoe

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:07 AM

#

prefer rushing it and just obliteration everything with one punishing sweep

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:07 AM

#

and dancing around poking them in the face afterwards

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:07 AM

#

Athena dash with spear is so much fun, esp if you get the Athena/Arte duo boon

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:07 AM

#

I haven't tried hades tbh but I'm scared of punishing sweep with forced overtime

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:07 AM

#

deflect, punshing sweep poke

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 8:07 AM

#

wow im so bad at fighting hades

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:08 AM

#

the maount of crits you get is soooo much

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:08 AM

#

quick spin or massive spin

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:08 AM

#

you rip through bosses in seconds

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:08 AM

#

if you have to make the choice that is

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:08 AM

#

whats the best boss build you've ever made

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:08 AM

#

uhhhhh i prefer massive

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:08 AM

#

same

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:08 AM

#

cause honestly the range increase + damage

#

means that you should always be safe when charging it up

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:09 AM

#

you basically hit the whole screen

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:09 AM

#

I got a build the other day that had heroic athena's cast + artemis double cast epic

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:09 AM

#

and I like doom builds for bosses, basically means you just have to focus on dodging and just get a poke in every once in awhile

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:09 AM

#

best boss build was ares cast + artemis duo boon + ares legendary + artemis dual cast + artemis 3 ammo

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:09 AM

#

ares in particular can help you wipe bosses with his call

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:09 AM

#

basically 14 whirling deathballs at all times

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:10 AM

#

that athena's cast build I had I literally killed hades so fast he couldn't do anything lol, it was over 1500 damage in like 1 second no crits

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:11 AM

#

Best build I ever had was Nemesis Sword with weak on attack, all damage has chance to crit, deal more crit damage to weak foes, chaos boon +36% attack damage, world splitter, god gauge faster on critical (had Zeus call) and exposed on deflect

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:11 AM

#

why is athenas cast so good I dont get it

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:11 AM

#

defeated the final boss in like... 2 mins? or less?

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:12 AM

#

athena's cast has the highest damage in the game, an aoe, and built in deflect

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:12 AM

#

Yeah and it lodges, for poseidon sword

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:12 AM

#

makes sense

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:12 AM

#

with zeus' duo boon, it also bounces between up to 5 enemies

#

and still does aoe

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:12 AM

#

makes a lot of sense

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:12 AM

#

if it doesnt lodge itself IE ares/dio there's no way to recast quickly

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:12 AM

#

yeh the lodging +50% damage

#

is really really good

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:13 AM

#

exit wounds

#

too

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:13 AM

#

yup

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:13 AM

#

you can get multiple thousands of damage off a single athena cast with zeus duo and a tight pack of mobs

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:13 AM

#

punishing sweep plus cast bonuses on spear makes your pokes do so much damage

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:13 AM

#

I want to try it 😩 I havent upgraded my hades spear yet

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:13 AM

#

I always have a hard time hitting things with punishing

#

especially like... hades

#

always gets interrupted

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:14 AM

#

It was the first one I upgraded, definitely the weapon I have the most fun with

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:14 AM

#

i think Nemesis sword is my fav weapon

#

its so versatile

#

everything is viable

#

run anything you can find and you can make your build up as you go

#

and it'll work almost all the time

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:15 AM

#

thats how I feel about chiron bow. I can get any set of boons, and still do well

supple haven Jan 12, 2020, 8:17 AM

#

thats how i feel about achilles spear

#

anything goes

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:18 AM

#

on a 7 minute time limit, and the satyr sacks in the 5th hall

#

THANKS GAME

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 8:19 AM

#

the satyr sack is dumb

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:19 AM

#

this is where you put on Gas Gas Gas

#

or RUnning in the 90s

#

and start charging

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 8:19 AM

#

you should go to feedback and be mad

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:20 AM

#

i think the time limit should freeze at the safe area of the Styx Temple, I don't think there's an inherent problem with the sack idea

#

at all

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:20 AM

#

I love getting destroyed by RNG, oh wait this game is entirely RNG

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:20 AM

#

its just when you're on a max timer

#

its a little rough

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 8:20 AM

#

just force it to spawn in the 4th room or whatever

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:20 AM

#

or force it to spawn after 3 rooms

#

and if you want to clear the last 2, fine

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 8:21 AM

#

like you dont add speedrun incentives with one hand and then make the length completely random with the other

#

that aint solid design

#

im sure they know

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:21 AM

#

also, the healing fountain should be in the main hall, not by the satyr sack, so you can choose when to use it

#

instead of getting forced to use it when you find the sack in the first hall at full hp, then eat all the damage from the other 4 halls

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:23 AM

#

whats your favorite call voice line

#

I like it when you call zeus and he's just like "oh yeah this is easy"

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:25 AM

#

i like accidentally calling Zeus when he's angry at me during Trials of the Gods

#

it was something like

#

YOU DARE!?

#

i was so shocked

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:25 AM

#

probably the one where artemis starts attemting to flirt with you, but aphrodite butts in immediately

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:25 AM

#

i really want to hear the other gods call lines during trial

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:25 AM

#

or dio and zeus duo boon, cause dio sounds super repressed during it lol

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:25 AM

#

but its so hard to earn max guage during trial of the gods

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:26 AM

#

"listen, my dads here so you gotta just do what he says okay"

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:26 AM

#

when you have the god whos mad it you zagreus just goes "Sorry!" lol

glad mantle Jan 12, 2020, 8:27 AM

#

'Well this is awkward'

#

is one of my favorites

supple haven Jan 12, 2020, 8:27 AM

#

I get it

#

you were shocked

#

heh

#

very punny

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 8:27 AM

#

I just got "well this is awkward" like yesterday for the first time and i laughed so hard

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 8:28 AM

#

420 hp and 800 damage per shot with the hestia gun, and I still lost on time because the bloody sack was in the 5th hallway. aaaaaaaaaaaa

warm quail Jan 12, 2020, 8:28 AM

#

F

cedar remnant Jan 12, 2020, 8:43 AM

#

just had an absolutely broken fight with end boss, I had unhealthy fixation and constantly charmed him, he barely attacked xD

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:01 AM

#

What's the most amount of darkness you've gotten in a farm run? I have only tried like one time and I think I got maybe 800? idk

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:04 AM

#

depends on if I get an early chaos boon

#

I got about 2k in one run

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:04 AM

#

nice

#

160k or still seems insane even if you got 2k at a time

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:05 AM

#

chaos boon for like 200% more, +20% from the weapon not having been used, and I bought all the infernal troves I could

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:05 AM

#

or so*

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:05 AM

#

160k for what?

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:05 AM

#

for max rerolls / full mirror

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:05 AM

#

it's not 160k 😛

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:05 AM

#

yeah I cant remember the exact number but its over 100k right

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:06 AM

#

I'm about 7k from a full mirror and I think I have 16k total currently

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:06 AM

#

what

#

50k is the highest isnt it

#

for rerolls

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:06 AM

#

no, it's 1/2/3/4/5k

#

unless the last rank goes up a ton

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:06 AM

#

you can get 10 rerolls

#

im currently on 10k

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:06 AM

#

oh, nvm then 😛 I thought 5 was max

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:06 AM

#

and i have 6

#

or 5, cant remember

#

"Including Fated Authority, the current total required to max out the Mirror is 173,400 Darkness."

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:07 AM

#

so yeah, I think that maybe getting more than 5 rerolls is just for overachievers

#

cause up to 5 rerolls, it's like a total of 25k darkness

#

yeah I have 17k dark, and I'm at full mirror with 3 rerolls, 1k from a 4th

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:08 AM

#

idk why some of these things you can buy are so ridiculously darn expensive

#

like vanity items that are 5k gems

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:08 AM

#

it's for those people who want completionist and have way too much time on their hands 😛

#

us plebs wont ever be buying those

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:09 AM

#

yeah but thats an absolutely absurd amount of time...

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:09 AM

#

I suspect those numbers will change once the games out of EA

#

or they'll add a way to buy gems

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:10 AM

#

10 rerolls would be very nice on 32 heat though and there's a save online you can just take for a maxed out mirror

#

but then its not "your save"

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:10 AM

#

yeah getting the 5th reroll is 5k, getting the 6th is 10k. just a bit of a jump

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:10 AM

#

i dont like the progression system at all

#

games fun enough without it

#

just makes early runs nearly unwinnable for no good reason imo

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:11 AM

#

I like the mirror, but I wish that the heat option that limits your darkness spent was a little less punishing

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:11 AM

#

like super basic stuff like 2nd dash and 100 start hp is locked off

#

kinda annoying

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:11 AM

#

I don't think thats true, I think a good player who knows the game could win their second run after getting enough darkness for a second dash and 1 DD

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:12 AM

#

sure is theory every run is winnable i dont deny that

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:12 AM

#

hell, a good player could probably win the first run lol

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:12 AM

#

but

#

not really

#

for normal mortals

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:12 AM

#

pff, you think that games like this are balanced for normal mortals

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:13 AM

#

it is as soon as you get like 1000 darkness

#

its completely fine

#

until then... not so much

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:13 AM

#

I still think you could complete the game on the second run fairly easily. You'd just need to be careful of your 50hp, outside of that you'd have a DD and a second dash, what else do you need

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:14 AM

#

lots of stuff

#

theres the 50% dmg from 2 debuffs

#

super easy to trigger nomally

#

like these things should be baseline thats all

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:15 AM

#

thats a bonus, not a necessity

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:15 AM

#

i disagree

#

50% is huge

#

50 hp and 100 gold too

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:15 AM

#

I dont take 2 debuffs every time

#

but it is a huge bonus

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:15 AM

#

i find it hard to not get 2 debuffs

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:15 AM

#

artemis builds dont take double debuff a lot of the time

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:16 AM

#

yeah, or cast builds

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:16 AM

#

but then u get exposed

#

or jolted

#

or whatever

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:16 AM

#

How would you as a dev tell the player that they have a 50% damage bonus while things have 2 debuffs if it's not an upgrade?

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:16 AM

#

just do it

#

dont have to tell

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:17 AM

#

just some hidden thing that isn't recorded anywhere

#

how would people know?

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:17 AM

#

theres a big fat x on enemies when it happens

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:17 AM

#

if you didnt know thats a mechanic in the game already, how would you know though

#

people already ask what the circle is on chiron etc

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:18 AM

#

surely id notice the x doing something

#

but that is so minor

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:18 AM

#

ok but if you had absolutely no conception of what it did, would you come up with "hmm they have 2 debuffs so it must be that"

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:18 AM

#

I'm sure you could make a tutorial for it, but it doesn't matter... there's no reason to not have a progression system. It increases the amount of time/enjoyment people will get out of the game

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:18 AM

#

i disagree

#

i thinkt he game is fun to play

#

i dont think its needed at all

#

but i guess its fine if ppl enjoy it

#

so its not a big deal

#

sorry proxy

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:19 AM

#

it is fun to play, but if you had all the bonuses to damage, boons, etc etc right from the start, it'd cut the time you spent playing it in half, because the early game wouldn't be as challenging

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:20 AM

#

so you stop playing if you win the game?

#

like really?

#

we have the pact for going deep thats a good system

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:20 AM

#

I think it would color my impression of the game if I just walked in and beat the game 1st try, not saying the current setup is ideal for me

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:21 AM

#

it just feels artificial to me

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:21 AM

#

people think things psychologically about games like that dark souls is hard because your hp pool is small and enemies do a lot of damage for example,

#

I dont think I would have a good impression of the game on a first playthrough if I just beat it

#

a game like this i mean

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:22 AM

#

i mean yeah i see that

#

but couldnt you just up the baseline difficulty to compensate

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:22 AM

#

there's a progression system in the game for the same reason that diablo 3 has a storyline campaign instead of throwing people straight into the endgame: because it forces you to slow down and enjoy the gameplay, the lore, and the feeling of accomplishment along the way

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:22 AM

#

i mean as it is 0 heat runs arent too hard

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:23 AM

#

it took me 27 runs to beat the base game, because I'm terrible at these types of games, I think the diff curve is just fine 😛

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:23 AM

#

me too

#

but your first 10 runs had no chance at all

#

thats my issue

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:23 AM

#

disagree, and I'm gunna prove it

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:23 AM

#

good luck

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:23 AM

#

a player who knows these kinds of games, with a knowledge of the attack animations, can beat heat 0 with no mirror benefits at all

#

hell, it's even one of the pacts

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:24 AM

#

yes but you dont have any knowledge for your first 10 runs do you

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:24 AM

#

then you'd lose your first 10 runs anyways

#

benefits or no

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:24 AM

#

yeah so why

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:25 AM

#

I think it is really difficult(impossible) to create a like hard set universal baseline difficulty for everyone, because everyone plays at a different level

#

the system they have now while not ideal creates the experience they want you to have

unkempt ridge Jan 12, 2020, 9:26 AM

#

as for why to have a progression system, it keeps people from getting information overload

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:26 AM

#

thats when you get people who are good at games complaining that games are too easy or people who arent complaining that they're too hard

pallid sky Jan 12, 2020, 9:26 AM

#

theres no information overload in starting on 50 hp and 1 dash man

radiant basin Jan 12, 2020, 9:27 AM

#

in a game like this where you can dash cancel literally everything how would you make it harder?