h1-builds-and-combat

[celest lake]

Does it cause some kind of bug if you have Tempest Strike and Pulverizing Blow? It seems like after I picked up my last hammer upgrade, my attacks have been sending me flying rather than enemies

[stray frigate]

i remeber i could choose it but i choosed attack(

[muted needle]

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Athena

When you look at ath

that

You can see the boon progression

[stray frigate]

Athena easy

any basic(dash usual)

[muted needle]

So you must take Brilliant Riposte to get that legendary

[stray frigate]

riposte

aaaaand that's all

[cedar remnant]

i encountered her like 2-3 times after i got riposte QQ

[muted needle]

And Zeus's splitting bolt requires Storm Lightning, High Voltage, or Double Strike

That site has the best laid out boon progression that I've seen

The boon that everyone complains about always is the Chaos legendary and it's so triggering how people just don't understand how rng works

[stray frigate]

had it twice

for ~80 runs

[muted needle]

Yeah I've had it probably 5 or 6 times in ~200ish runs

But statistically it's quite possible, particularly if you really aren't hitting chaos often or are ignoring the gates that are near the bosses

That you can go 100 runs without seeing it

It's not that the proc chance is lower than the other others

It's just that people don't get as many options to get chaos boons

[onyx flint]

well rip i thought each room in the top level counted as an encounter so now im going to hades with a 9% one star pierced butterfly

[muted needle]

Ooof yeah

[stray frigate]

but you 99% go Chaos gates when u see it

[muted needle]

it's not really explained

butterfly and plume really are only useful if you rock them from the start

[stray frigate]

Such trinkets should be carried till 1st room

[muted needle]

Only the final rooms in styx count for them 😦

[stray frigate]

but for Chaos curses

and Shop items

lil still counts as encountes

[muted needle]

Yeah so unless you have the maxed charon keepsake the shops in styx are pretty much just hoping for a DD refresh

I'm weird though I don't really like butterfly

I really like plume and I find that I'm faster and more deadly with it

[stray frigate]

damage usually not a big deal imo

[scenic pecan]

Thanks guys, that link is very helpful.

[stray frigate]

for me most trouble is survive

[muted needle]

Speed aside, if you get to hades with 25% (ez) plume dodge and maybe the Hermes 20?25?% dodge

[stray frigate]

@scenic pecan remeber there are much old info

[muted needle]

You can just eat shots

[stray frigate]

@muted needle i had it once

[muted needle]

And do max dps without dodging

[stray frigate]

51% dodge

i cant say it was easy

buuuut it possible

[muted needle]

Yeah and you just facetank stuff then

[stray frigate]

nah

[muted needle]

You can play way more aggressively than getting up to 30% on the butterfly would allow

[stray frigate]

Hades attack are still to stronk

[muted needle]

Or at least for me

[stray frigate]

u dont want to risk

[muted needle]

For me I guess it depends on what sort of dps I'm putting out

Like I don't do shield runs with plume often

Generally shotgun rail, nemesis or maybe bouncing zag spear

But it's enough that hades can go nearly toe to toe if I get through with 2 DD's

[stray frigate]

Sword is best for plume imo

[muted needle]

I took like 8 minutes off my personal best with the sword today

Down to 16 something

My best sword plume run was like 23

Maybe mechanically I'm just not good enough but I find that sword runs are often no faster with plume

Movement is hard lol

stupid mouse and keyboard

And fat fingers 😄

[cedar remnant]

longest run was with shield lol, basically a bunch of revenge boons with vengeful mood, felt kinda bad for final boss

took almost no damage but man was that the longest fight

[muted needle]

I posted the hades fight from that run above ^ I got that down to 52 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGuNnHjTfg0

Haha my longest run was my first with Chiron

Like a solid 50 minutes of slowly kiting things

[cedar remnant]

how do you do your shield runs, divided between offensive and defensive

[muted needle]

Yes

😄

I sprinkle in a defensive Zeus aspect once in a while

But generally I play fairly aggressively with Chaos

Which really is sort of defensively anyways because you're charging bull rush a lot

I struggle a bit with chaos with 5 points into Forced Overtime

Because I try to start my block a little too close to enemies and they get a crack in before I can start charging

[cedar remnant]

i feel all the extra damage with zeus flying around is hardd to maximise when it moves so slowly and does not track

[muted needle]

Yeah Zeus runs are for fun, not because they're inherently good (unless you're just using zeus to spam explosive return)

Which is kind of okay because of how fast you can pop it and return on the move

[stray frigate]

lot of ppl says Chaos aspect is best weapon ingame)

[muted needle]

The shield toolkit is just too good

And it's the best shield

Full frontal block on demand, knockback on melee, ranged burst with special...

It's the allrounder

Apart from Explosive Return, I will say that the Daedalus boons for shield are some of the worst imo

Certainly not the most interesting

And many are just so situational that they're just bad to take 80% of the time

[cedar remnant]

yeah sometimes I ignore the hammer for other stuff lol

[onyx flint]

OK SORRY

HAMMER IS A 50/50 CHANCE TO BE CRAP FOR EVERYTHING EXCEPT BOW IMO

[compact niche]

Really? I always get stuff I like

[hollow sorrel]

I like a lot of the hammer upgrades for the sword

[cedar remnant]

the double thrust mmmhm

[onyx flint]

double thrust is nice but double nova and big chop are 💩

[hollow sorrel]

the hammer makes me sad when I have hestia like half the time though

[compact niche]

If anything, the bow has some of my least favorite options

[onyx flint]

i feel like none of the bow options are downgrades, which is more than i can say for sword or railgun

or even shield

[cedar remnant]

i would use triple shot if the spread was smaller for the bow

[stray frigate]

imagine Run with Chiron and no special upgrade

had it twice

[hollow sorrel]

well, and half the shield upgrades too, I guess. Anything that takes away one of the shield's knockback moves makes me cringe

[onyx flint]

the shield upgrade that makes it fire a projectile was surprisingly not terrible but still id rather just have bull rush

[compact niche]

It's interesting to see how other people play

[stray frigate]

i always want 2 things for shield

dash attack and double attack

add athena dash and all chaos for attack/dashattack

u r fabulous

[scenic pecan]

Supernova+Double Nova+Thunder Flourish=Thunderstruck? LOL

ACDC intensifies?

[granite vine]

I don't really like bull rush, much like I don't like Achilles raging rush

it's mobility but it breaks my patterns

[terse marsh]

How do relative speed and passing through stack with each other?

[scenic pecan]

Strange how I fair so much better with seemingly anything but the basic sword.

Cleared it twice in a row with Adamant and Coronacht, now doing it with sword and I am at Hades with no DD and no deflect because FK me.

[onyx flint]

sword is my worst weapon :(

[supple haven]

Sword is best

[cedar remnant]

which aspect and upgrades u running?

it was pretty dope when using nemesis and dual dash stab, lots of dps

[grizzled talon]

Is it possible to quit and start a fresh run? Left the wrong keepsake from the final boss :/

[supple haven]

With bow and rail so annoying to kill the shield champions of elysium

[worldly mauve]

I remember you can esc menu - give up

[supple haven]

ESC - give up yea

[grizzled talon]

weirdly mine only gives the option to quit

[cedar remnant]

sometimes i start at a room and sometimes i just go back to the house

[grizzled talon]

And I start the floor fresh

[cedar remnant]

weird

[supple haven]

Enter a room

[grizzled talon]

I'm in one right now with enemies

[worldly mauve]

yeah how DOES it work

[supple haven]

[worldly mauve]

sometimes back at the house sometimes in a room

[cedar remnant]

i crashed in temple of styx and lost all progress since the house

and then it happened again

2 times in a row

[worldly mauve]

sometimes give up is an option sometimes just quit

[grizzled talon]

Are we not allowed to share screenshots in this channel? I'd show you guys what's happening

[supple haven]

I understand what u mean

Finish the room and try again is my solution

[grizzled talon]

oh well boutta alt+f4 and try again

[supple haven]

Or go to ashpodel and kill ur self in lava xd

[worldly mauve]

yeah finish the room

[karmic coyote]

just take damage then the game will give you give up option

[onyx flint]

shield with poseidon attack is hilarious

[worldly mauve]

so just get in the room let those creeps do their work while you're enjoying a cuppo joe

[onyx flint]

im just throwing people all around the room

[supple haven]

Poseiden is just fun in general

[worldly mauve]

had this Poseidon chaos aspect shield run with rupture and all.

and with barrier damage boon too

so you know everyones all around the place and when they hit a wall boom

[supple haven]

In temple of styx its OP

[worldly mauve]

much fun

[grizzled talon]

@karmic coyote that did the trick, thanks

[supple haven]

Small area just u see enemies bouncing around

[karmic coyote]

no problem

[supple haven]

Ah so u have to take damage to give up?

[worldly mauve]

that explains why you don't have give up in a shop room

weird tho

[cedar remnant]

i give up pretty often when i just exit the house cuz i forgot to swap keepsakes lol

[grizzled talon]

Yeah, the only way you'd be able to quit with no consequence is if you perfected the room, but at that point it would be safe anyways

[cedar remnant]

oh so when you clear, the checkpoint is the room but otherwise its the house?

[grizzled talon]

Yeah

[worldly mauve]

hmm

[cedar remnant]

the crash happened at the safe area of temple thou hmm

i'd wanna test it but it would take so much work ._.

[scenic pecan]

Question: The Zagreus Aspect of Aegis; is that DR constant, or is that related to how much defending with Aegis blocks?

[onyx flint]

aegis blocks everything from the front

[grizzled talon]

I feel like it's just a permanent passive while equipped, no extra conditions

[scenic pecan]

Upgrading the Zagreus Aspect of Aegis says 'Damage Reduction +0%'

So, it's just flat DR while wielding it?

[unkempt pagoda]

it's reduction to all damage

[scenic pecan]

Next question: Do we know how damage reduction effects interact? Like 'Different League+God Mode+Bronze Skin+Zagreus Aspect Aegis'

[grizzled talon]

The shield is so clutch
I like the sound of blocking attacks, and that you can be pushed back by strong hits

[unkempt pagoda]

the charge is a shield that blocks damage from the front, but you can upgrade it so you also have DR whenever you get hit

[scenic pecan]

Are they additive or multiplicative

[unkempt pagoda]

i assume additive, considering almost all effects in the game are additive

[wooden lodge]

sooo I somehow just did a 23 minute run with the Stygian blade; nice https://i.imgur.com/3491HRi.jpg

[worldly mauve]

ncie

[wooden lodge]

Heroic deadly strike helped

[scenic pecan]

Doesn't that mean one can theoretically reach 100% DR relatively quickly?(Unless there is a hardcap which there probably is)

[cedar remnant]

oo zag?

[wooden lodge]

Broken Spearpoint is aptly named, since it's a broken relic

[cedar remnant]

i would think it's additive

[scenic pecan]

My 'God Mode' is nearly at 60%, and Different League is 14% the one time I remember looking at it

[cedar remnant]

total percentage of base

[unkempt pagoda]

if you're using god mode, then maybe

[scenic pecan]

I am

[worldly mauve]

mines at 80%

puny me

[unkempt pagoda]

otherwise, the available DR boons and upgrades and such are pretty "low"

[worldly mauve]

btw 80% is the top

[scenic pecan]

Hence my question. While I would/will definitely enjoy the occasional stompfest with it, I was curious if it was possible as typically people complain that is OP.

[worldly mauve]

can't get more outta god mode.

[scenic pecan]

God Mode caps at 80%, and Aphrodite can get you 10% or so

[worldly mauve]

for god mode it's not additive i think.

[scenic pecan]

So there isn't a definitive answer yet.

[worldly mauve]

might need someone to test that to be sure of it.

[cedar remnant]

an additional section in the codex explaining all these technicalities would be useful i nthe future

or you know, just wiki

[onyx flint]

my build is so good right now holy

chaos shield, explosive return, poseidon attack with rupture, and heroic athena special with exposed

👌

[worldly mauve]

your in poseidon amusement park of bumper car land now.

[cedar remnant]

i find my chaos shield throws just flies around the place all willy nilly and not hitting the target -_-

[worldly mauve]

throw them in there face

[onyx flint]

gotta get up close and personal

:p

[abstract pilot]

being close to point-blank helps a lot

[cedar remnant]

i guess

[worldly mauve]

yeah

[onyx flint]

also you dont have to wait for them all to return to bull rush again

that helps a lot

[abstract pilot]

i like to bull rush into things, throw special, then dash away

[cedar remnant]

sometiems 1 just hits and the rest just fsssssh

[worldly mauve]

in the face is the best solution

leave a tiny weeny distant between you and wall when charging tho.

[cedar remnant]

i tend to throw immediately after rushing so maybe I'll have to adjust after charging

[worldly mauve]

and with explosive return Dedalus, try dashing next to a creep when they return.

noice

[scenic pecan]

Just tossed a desire for a section of the codex for game mechanic information in the feedback section

[onyx flint]

oh also i just killed the bone hydra and i have 14% dodge on my level 1 plume 👌

[cedar remnant]

but seeing the codex contents, do you think it would not be lore friendly to have that stuff in there

[scenic pecan]

Give me a non-lorefriendly section, or a comparable player's guide in a similar format even

[worldly mauve]

or some fandom wiki page

[cedar remnant]

or maybe a contractor upgrade

[scenic pecan]

Could call the section, "4th Wall" or 'Chaos Musings'

[cedar remnant]

bookshelf?

[scenic pecan]

Bookshelf could work too

But then its gating the game knowledge behind multiple layers of RNG

[worldly mauve]

yer grandpa Chaos sneaks in a well of knowledge for you in your room

[scenic pecan]

I'd want it available independent of random rolls preferable

[worldly mauve]

hooray!

[onyx flint]

could probably just be a default thing in your room

[scenic pecan]

Yeah

[worldly mauve]

just careful when you lift the manhole cover, don't let nobody sees it

[scenic pecan]

'Zagreus Training journal' lol

[cedar remnant]

Zag : " Who reads books anyway"

[onyx flint]

i thought i was going super fast butt i guess not that fast lol https://i.gyazo.com/7c6f914814d6df43232eee614213f2c1.jpg

though I did take a ton of fights and cleared all of styx to level my plume :p

[upbeat frigate]

I can't believe how utterly useless Athena's call was.

I didn't think it was going to be good, but wow.

[stuck bough]

Which parts from the pact of punishment should I use when attempting a 32 heat run?

[livid pilot]

depends. are you on hell mode?

[sage stag]

when i put poison stacks on an enemy but they are from different sources (like one from attack or one from a special ir dash) how does it calculate whick damage per tick to use?

or does each stack do damage per tick according to it's source

[worldly mauve]

each to it's source i think

[scenic pecan]

What is an 'infernal gate'? It's an Underworld Renovation, but it mentions Erebus and I haven't seen any mention of that yet

[livid pilot]

its basically like a challenge room

if you beat the challenge you get extra rewards for the run

[scenic pecan]

So, the extra rewards are normal room rewards, or?

[livid pilot]

yes

[scenic pecan]

Okay. Checking since the reno takes all my remaining diamonds atm. Sounds like a good thing though unless the challenges are obscenely difficult.

[livid pilot]

usually its dont get hit

[serene nexus]

I’m basically at the point where I’m grinding for gems now... all the weapon aspects I wanted to level are maxed.

[livid pilot]

and you have to have heat levels high enough per zone to access it

[serene nexus]

Still need to get Meg to show up for her companion event. But I’m good with Shady for now

[scenic pecan]

Oh. So if anything touches me, I fail immediately?

[worldly mauve]

yep

[scenic pecan]

That's... pretty awful actually.

[worldly mauve]

you get onion, which is legit codex item tho..

[scenic pecan]

Even if I fail?

[onyx flint]

How do people get sub 25 minute times im busting my ass with Hermes plume and I can't get below 30 minutes

[worldly mauve]

like you'll needa get it more than a dozen times to fill in codex, if you want.

[onyx flint]

I'll never be able to pull off the time limit heat thing lol

[worldly mauve]

if you success, you'll get what the infernal gates shows you b4 entering.

[last nacelle]

Challenge rooms have special encounters that don't make damage unavoidable.

[fallow niche]

@upbeat frigate Athena's call is great not sure what you're talking about

[last nacelle]

Enemies are fewer, the types are restricted, and they don't spawn in as many at once.

[worldly mauve]

if you win Erebus, get whatever it shows you, if you fail, get a stopid onion.

[last nacelle]

Challenge rooms are special because HP, coin, and poms from them are doubled in effectiveness like elite encounters.

[worldly mauve]

and getting laugh at by Hades

[scenic pecan]

I have exactly 2 diamonds, they seem to be one of the rarest resources I've encountered thus far in my current save, so I'm worried about using this and finding there's something else more important. Aside from Orpheus(who I already got) are there other things worth saving the diamonds for, or is this one of the best uses?

[livid pilot]

does it count as a room clear ? or is it like chaos room where its a free room

[fallow niche]

@onyx flint Massive damage essentially

Also Hermes plume ain't good

[worldly mauve]

you'll need diamonds for Sisyphus contract.

[fallow niche]

All my runs are sub-30 and the good ones are around 20~ mins

[scenic pecan]

Sisyphus Contract? Is that something that makes Sisyphus appear? I must have forgotten I spent a diamond on that

[worldly mauve]

around 10 diamonds to purchase the contract

[fallow niche]

Though it depends on your heat Nuka

What heat and what things are you choosing for heat?

[worldly mauve]

it's the thing that makes him gives you the legendary keepsake.

[onyx flint]

What heat level do you run? Would probably help if I didn't have +15% hp on lol

[fallow niche]

I run that doesn't change much 15% isn't a whole lot when you got the damage

All my weps have gotten up to 15 heat so far

[scenic pecan]

Oh, okay. So a much later thing.

[worldly mauve]

Yeah.

[fallow niche]

Drowning in blood and diamands yeet

[scenic pecan]

Worth grabbing the challenge room thingy now even if diamonds are scarce for me, they'll become more prevalent?

[worldly mauve]

sorta, you gotta talk to him and boudly a bunch of times to advance to that plot

[onyx flint]

I'm only just starting heat runs lol, I have 4 wins with 2 heat being the most

[worldly mauve]

wdym, what does diamonds have to do with challenge room

[fallow niche]

@scenic pecan You get one per run (occasionally more via the end shop) so its up to you

[scenic pecan]

I mean it's an Underworld Renovation

[worldly mauve]

diamond is usually dropped by sneky sneak

[scenic pecan]

To unlock Infernal rooms

Infernal Gates

[fallow niche]

@onyx flint I think you just need to play more, my runs are getting faster despite more heat

Also run Extreme Measures, its fun and doesnt increase the time by any honestly

[scenic pecan]

It costs 2 diamonds.

[worldly mauve]

oh beat asphodel every time and you get 1 diamond per run

so up to you

[scenic pecan]

Wait, you get a diamond every asphodel?

[fallow niche]

Per heat

[worldly mauve]

better than tossing them at Orpheus's songs.

[scenic pecan]

Oh

[fallow niche]

Per weapon

[worldly mauve]

mostly sneaky snake drops diamond. per heat.

[fallow niche]

*per weapon

[scenic pecan]

I haven't even cleared every weapon without heat yet

[worldly mauve]

otherwise it's gon be just darkness.

[fallow niche]

per weapon per heat, so base is 1x diamond per wep. 1 heat is 1x diamond per wep again

So you get a bunch

[scenic pecan]

I've finished Hades with Adamant Rail, Coronacht and Aegis

[worldly mauve]

but don't spend them too much on songs

challenge room is worth investing tho.

[onyx flint]

Use YouTube to hear the songs : ^ )

[fallow niche]

The Than theme is godlike

[scenic pecan]

Thus far I only remember spending them on Orpheus himself... though since I only have 2, I assume I spent others on something else

I've gotten TO Hades with every weapon by now I believe, so I should have had 5 total

[fallow niche]

Probably converted them to the trader I imagine maybe

[scenic pecan]

Possible, but I'm usually paranoid about trading those things until I know I can reliably get them

So I feel that's unlikely.

Orpheus was one, and I have 2. Did the spring rooms cost diamonds?

That give reward+heal instead of encounter?

[onyx flint]

Might have gotten one of the upgrades like the one that makes darkness give +5 max hp

[worldly mauve]

I love good riddance btw. (Eurydice is doing it better)

[scenic pecan]

Yeah, I got that

Darkness raising max HP

[fallow niche]

Yeah you used a diamond for that

[onyx flint]

That costs diamonds

[supple haven]

Eurydice good riddance so good

[scenic pecan]

Okay, so Orpheus and that, which'd be 2

[worldly mauve]

key + dice is also another diamond one is it?

[supple haven]

I go to her room just for thay

[worldly mauve]

darkness + 5 hp

[scenic pecan]

Don't have Key+Dice

[onyx flint]

I think it maybe costs 2 diamonds

[scenic pecan]

Just Dark+5 HP

[worldly mauve]

well come to you one day

[fallow niche]

The darkness thing actually iirc was 2-3 diamonds

Now that I remember it

[onyx flint]

Yeah

[worldly mauve]

yeah. 2 i think

[scenic pecan]

Oh, okay. Probably 2, that'd explain all of my Diamond expenditure

Since 1 on Orpheus, 2 on Dark+5MaxHP, and I have 2.

[fallow niche]

I spend all my diamonds on music lmao

[worldly mauve]

and 1 for freeing Orpheus?

10 for freeing Sisyphus

[scenic pecan]

Challenge room worth being my 3rd diamon Reno?

[fallow niche]

Is that the high heat thing?

[worldly mauve]

worth if you're over 5 heats.

[scenic pecan]

I haven't started doing heats yet

[fallow niche]

Then dont botheer

[worldly mauve]

cause in lower heat you won't be able to get in at all.

[scenic pecan]

But since all the renos are randomized

[supple haven]

The heats are fun

[worldly mauve]

meh you have nothing else to do with yer diamonds yet so why not

[supple haven]

Esp the upgraded bosses/mini boss

[worldly mauve]

save up later for Sisyphus.

he's a big spend but worth it

[scenic pecan]

I was planning to complete each weapon before doing the heats. Is that silly?

[worldly mauve]

however you like to play your game

[supple haven]

Just play with whatever weap u like playing with

[scenic pecan]

Currently I've been going with whatever the game puts that darkness bonus on every run.

To get used to every weapon

[worldly mauve]

it's good

[onyx flint]

I'm abusing chaos shield to level my weapon aspects

[worldly mauve]

plus you get more darkness for your mirror

while me too..

[scenic pecan]

And to get the fated stuff done for daedalus hammer stuff

[worldly mauve]

I'm abusing chaos shield for while and then doing other weapons.

[scenic pecan]

I think I finally completed the sword, and that's the one I suck with most.

[worldly mauve]

farming and all

[fallow niche]

I just use whatever weapon has the darkness buff on it

[worldly mauve]

I got everything except the stopid onion and hades conversation

hades: talk to me 999 more times

are you kidding me

[scenic pecan]

Aegis felt the most cheesy thus far. My 3rd win, record time, I pretty much blocked 85% of the fight and let my Auto-Revenge Doom+Aphro trigger wear Hades down

That said, I LOVE that if the dice roll in your favor you CAN do that kind of silly stuff.

[supple haven]

What do u guys meam abusing chaos shield?

[worldly mauve]

means

[supple haven]

Is there a bug with it or something?

[worldly mauve]

keep using chaos aspect shield like there's no tmrw.

[onyx flint]

nah chaos shield just too stronk

[worldly mauve]

cause it's good

[supple haven]

Imo sword is the best

[worldly mauve]

charge hit throw buncha sheild boink u ded

dash to the next

[kind cloud]

Chaos Shield is the best weapon in the game imo - my favorite combo in the game ares attack + ares special + explosive return + aphrodite dash + ares cast + artemis crit (buffed to around 10%) + artemis hunting blades + ares/aphordite boon + ares vicious cycle legendary = COME AT ME POPS!

That's a game-breaking combination.

Doesn't hurt to have Sephiroth...uh, sorry...thanatos dropping in 5 times to wreck everyone (minus hades*) thanks to Mort.

*Cant call thanatos in the battle against hades

[vestal parcel]

32 heat is ridiculous and I'm never going to see that last statue, am I?

[kind cloud]

git gud

@vestal parcel
how close (or far are you)? where do you keep dying?

[vestal parcel]

I can usually make it to Asphodel, so...not close at all.

[kind cloud]

Damn. Tartarus wreck yous huh?

[vestal parcel]

It's an interesting jump from 16 heat, which I can clear semi-consistently.

[kind cloud]

I went up by 1 each time. I never did a skip from 4 to 8 to 16 to 32.

[vestal parcel]

Trying to decide whether I get less wrecked with budget cuts or forced overtime.

[worldly mauve]

but the last statue is the best

[vestal parcel]

If I was being reasonable, I'd go back to working my way up 1 at a time.

[worldly mauve]

if it's too annoying, just go back lower heat for a change

least yer winning

[vestal parcel]

Sure, but for now it's a change of pace.

[worldly mauve]

skelly is real piece of work

[muted needle]

the pain is indescribable!

[worldly mauve]

I was going nuts trying to get the last statue too.

[muted needle]

I've just been doing each weapon as they come up with Dark Thirst with 1 more heat each time

Gonna be a while before I finish my statues 😦

[worldly mauve]

and I was spamming E on the statues for half an hour straight trying to get funny conversations.

[muted needle]

When you hit the statue with your weapon and Skelly freaks out

It's the details that makes this game

[worldly mauve]

you can say that again

[muted needle]

Really I've only ever supported 3 EA games, this, Rimworld, and Prison Architect

[karmic coyote]

Really, i ought to try that next time

[muted needle]

I've been very lucky

That all of them have been awesome during early access and on

Mind you I was in the other two much much earlier so the fact that Hades seems so polished is probably more that it's much closer to 1.0

[worldly mauve]

supergiant games are always with the details

[muted needle]

☝️

[gray lintel]

i got burned out a bit from frustration, mostly because I always get to the final boss with the gun and then all my death defiances get burned and I die :c oddly the third area boss is pretty easy for me now

[last nacelle]

Do you use the broken spearpoint?

[gray lintel]

that's usually my go to in the last area yes

the rest of the stuff is easy, honestly I'd put the last area normal enemies as like.... actually tbh probably the easiest area of the game

[scenic pecan]

This is my first Supergiant title, gifted by a friend. Rather impressed, Hades feels like the most approachable and intriguing roguelike I've encountered(though to be fair, I'm not HUGE into roguelikes)

[gray lintel]

it's technically a roguelite, not a roguelike

[scenic pecan]

Story elements and persistent progression feel rewarding enough to deal with the frustration of a bad RNG, etc...

Honestly, everytime I ask what the difference is, I get a different, conflicting answer.

[gray lintel]

eh the way I heard is that roguelike is the standard experience where you lose everything on death and there is no persistent progression

[scenic pecan]

I'm comparing it to Slay the Spire, FTL, and Rogue Legacy as far as games I've actually played

[gray lintel]

whereas roguelite has persistent elements

[scenic pecan]

Which, from what you're saying would be 'RogueLite'

[gray lintel]

ehhh slay the spire and FTL are roguelikes I think, they have persistent progression but as sidegrades, and not straight up power boosts

[scenic pecan]

Since there is a form of persistant progression.

[last nacelle]

Roguelike is a crappy placeholder term.

[scenic pecan]

Somewhat, yeah.

[gray lintel]

mostly just unlocking new content

whereas hades is a pretty obvious rogue-lite because it is significantly harder to win the game without any mirror upgrades

[last nacelle]

I wonder if Athena being the first god you get on a new save file is a deliberate design decision or just something they arbitrarily chose, because Athena by-far gives you the best chance of winning on your first ever run.

[scenic pecan]

I also really appreciate Hades implementation of God Mode for less determined/skilled/experienced players of the genre, or people who kindof want it to be more a 'hack'n'slash RPG'

I didn't get Athena first, to my memory.

[gray lintel]

athena is pretty generic tbh

out of all the gods she's pretty much the most generic and doesn't really have anything specific or special other than deflect

[last nacelle]

Like Aphrodite, she has high damage attacks with a defensive element. Her defensive element is more rewarding to perfect play.

[dreamy oxide]

@scenic pecan I was also really appreciative of the God Mode option. I haven't used it, but -- there's so much story. I would hate to miss something just because i wasn't 'good' enough to get to it.

[gray lintel]

personally for me it just slightly confused me because I didn't know attacks could normally destroy enemy attacks

[last nacelle]

I don't think hades is even a roguelite. It is super super lite.

[gray lintel]

they just don't deflect without athena

eh progression reaches a point where it drops off into like a mes

mesa

[scenic pecan]

I didn't use it until I started really struggling and getting annoyed, turned it on and appreciated how it allowed me to just grind my face without raging because I was still 'getting farther' because the DR would help me eke a bit more progress.

[gray lintel]

yeah the game is pretty heavily based around minimizing damage

feels like the primary gameplay skill involved is to avoid as much attrition as possible

[oblique lark]

do you guys have any tips on how to utilize aphrodite's boons?

[scenic pecan]

That said, I've been recovering from a cold and occasionally breaking into a body-shaking cough mid-combat makes 'avoiding damage' difficult. 😛

[last nacelle]

You hit stuff.

It deals a lot of damage.

[oblique lark]

oh

[gray lintel]

aphrodite attacks, special, and cast is just 'hit stuff'. she's got like the highest damage bonus of any god abilities

[oblique lark]

lol I always just have avoided her

[last nacelle]

Her damage isn't as high as artemis though due to lack of crit.

[gray lintel]

at first same, but not only does she has like the best damage

[scenic pecan]

So, God Mode was welcome to me. 😛

[gray lintel]

weak is an amazing debuff

and no aphrodite has even higher damage with artemis, you almostt always want something that can apply weak when doing a crit artemis run

[oblique lark]

I always just think that the "weak" buff is something minor

[scenic pecan]

Weak=Half debuffed enemies output

[gray lintel]

Artemis/Aphrodite duo is heartbreak I think, which boosts your crit damage from 300% to 450% against weak enemies.

[oblique lark]

ty for the wips

tips*

[gray lintel]

also yeah if you have an AOE attack and have aphrodite attacks you basically have 100% more life against enemies

i think it even works against bosses?

[scenic pecan]

Also; Aphrodite's got several duo boons that get special bonuses against enemies with weak

Dionysus poison stacks higher, Ares Doom does more damage, Artemis crits higher, etc...

[gray lintel]

yeah. the one with ares seems better than it is, the repeated doom procs seem to only deal 25% normal damage 😦 the dionysus one is pretty good tho

[scenic pecan]

And yes, it at least visually applies

Even on Hades

Null; Probably true, but it's highly amusing to have Zeus/Ares Duo boon auto-revenge triggering Aphrodite and Ares Doom revenge while blocking Hades for 85% of his boss fight.

[gray lintel]

her cast is also probably the highest damage cast in the game, possibly even higher than artemis crits, at least if you're up close and personal

and probably the cast I'd seek after if doing a cast based buuild like hera bow or posideon sword

uhhh charm effects I'd probs avoid until the bugs are worked out with it though, apparently sometimes charmed enemies manage to hit you and when they do so they do significantly more damage than normal

[cedar remnant]

Tidal wave + Second wave + Varatha spin attack in temple rooms is just

disgusting in clearing mobs

[gray lintel]

posidon's thing is kinda that ya

i'm not a fond of them without zeus's duo tho

[cedar remnant]

knockback is way more potent on Varatha somehow

[worldly mauve]

anyone knows the definition of 'barrier' on one of Poseidon's boon?

[gritty field]

I had a run where I'm only Poseidon dashing. I had zeus' duo with jolted and second wave with rupture. I also had extra dashes from Hermes. That was a stupid fun run.

[worldly mauve]

Typhoon's Fury

[gritty field]

I'm assuming barrier=walls

[worldly mauve]

me too but im really not sure

cause you have other skill straight up saying 'hit the wall'

[gritty field]

Yeah some of the wording in the game is not exactly clear

[worldly mauve]

like breaking waves

[gray lintel]

walls are barriers AFAIK but barriers are not always walls

as far as I am aware that just means "can they keep travelling in that direction? if no, it's a barrier"

[worldly mauve]

any example for barriers?

[dreamy oxide]

^ kind of what I was thinking

[worldly mauve]

like air-wall?

[dreamy oxide]

like maybe the gaps in the floor?

[gray lintel]

yes, the chasms in elysium are barriers for non-flying enemies

[worldly mauve]

hmmm

kinda make sense

[gray lintel]

they can be wall-slammed and cornered against them

(flyingg enemies fly sooooo)

[worldly mauve]

I'm so into a poseidon bumper car run now that i hear all of you discussing

gotta try it bai

[gritty field]

It's so funny seeing enemies bumping around

[terse marsh]

Does pierced butterfly required that you keep pierced butterfly equipped?

Or like if you unequip it do you keep the bonus garnered so far?

[dreamy oxide]

You don't keep the bonus is my understanding

[terse marsh]

Aww sad day

[dreamy oxide]

i feel the same way 😦

[mild crag]

I can confirm for you

You lose the bonus on unequip

[terse marsh]

Tyty for confirming

[fallow niche]

god the explosive shotgun upgrades for the Rail are insane

BA BANG

i can hardly see anything

its beautiful

[worldly mauve]

now you'll only need infinite ammo

[fallow niche]

Nah, reloading is fine

Increased attack speed is where its at

[patent sun]

quick question guys, Battle Rage (After slaying a foe, your next attack or special deal +x% damage) goes by, you know, attacking and not actually hitting an enemy, right?

[icy edge]

currently yes

So be careful

[patent sun]

because on this run I also have Cruel Thrust and it'd be pretty sweet if I could purposely miss the first two hits and then synergize both the boons. I'm sure I'm not the first person to notice this lol

[last nacelle]

What is the best type of attack for battle rage? Spear spin?

[neon ridge]

hestia rail

[last nacelle]

Hestia deals too much damage though. You already one-shot, so battle rage doesn't help, unless you have like no other damage boosts.

AoE is also a factor. You want to be able to clip a small enemy to refresh the battle rage at the same time you strike a big enemy.

[pastel jolt]

spear spin isn’t ideal if you have battle rage

you have to attack to begin charging, which uses up the buff

[worldly mauve]

I'd say just any attack will suffice.

same thing to Chaos aspect shield, you'll have to charge attack first.

but you can do some dmg with max charged bow attack or railgun reload shot or railgun special tho.

just do a special with sword/shield/spear is what I do normally

[woeful stirrup]

I'd say best for battle rage would be rail/sword special or bow attack. No need to charge, they're aoe for the two specials and the charge up on bow attack makes sure you won't miss. It's too easy to accidentally miss the first hit of your sword combo or to send your shield flying in a pillar.

[cedar remnant]

quick question for hestia rail

is it worth it

[teal laurel]

eris is better

[left timber]

if you like point and click adventure games

[heavy bough]

only 4 chars need ambrosia right? the rest i can safely dunk into buying titan blood?

[worldly mauve]

for now yes

but we're getting updates soon...

[heavy bough]

yeah true i guess and it is more scarce to farm

well for now at least for me

[worldly mauve]

I tend to save some just in case

[novel python]

Is there anything more satisfying for chiron than poseidon special with rupture, zeus duo with jolted and aphro attack?

[worldly mauve]

woodchopping with earth splitter sword crit build?

[novel python]

for Chiron

[worldly mauve]

oh oops

crit build works on Chiron too

[novel python]

Ive tried world splitter, it's clunky

[worldly mauve]

Hades in 2 min, cheesy

Artemis + Aphrodite

[novel python]

The knockback on the sword pushes the enemy away and you don't get the bonus damage on dash attacks on sword

[worldly mauve]

but you can chop 1k dmg

satisfying to chop

[novel python]

The most satisfying thing ive seen was poseidon special with zeus duo, both with status effects, with second wave and more damage when pushing into walls

[worldly mauve]

it's fun i'll admit that

and decent damage too

[novel python]

Also dashing through Styx as your only mean of damage was satisfying

decent damage?

Apart from bosses it's fun af and does a crapton of damage

[worldly mauve]

wdym dashing being only mean

chopping is the only means of damage

[novel python]

I meant on chiron poseidon run

[worldly mauve]

oh.

it is.

i like bumper car runs

[novel python]

^

[worldly mauve]

just dashing and see them go

[novel python]

DONT'T MIND ME I'M JUST DASHING THROUGH

[cedar remnant]

i have absolutely

no idea what to spend titan blood on

[novel python]

Maxed weps ig?

[worldly mauve]

asides from weapon aspect upgrade, nothing, i think.

[novel python]

Trade for other resources?

[cedar remnant]

not maxed yet

[worldly mauve]

if your lucky you can trade for other resources.

[cedar remnant]

i meant i don't know which one to pimp out first

[novel python]

Well then that's what you use blood for

Chiron bow, poseidon sword

[worldly mauve]

which ever you like the most of coz

[novel python]

Chaos shield

[worldly mauve]

^ pretty much

[novel python]

Those are most fun imo, hera only needs 1 point

It's good to have more, but not needed

Only lowers the dislodge time

Hera got me my first win

Dio cast with zeus duo

[worldly mauve]

I chop thru hades the first time

[obtuse tapir]

Hey. Are there three aspects for each weapon now?

I see some hidden stuffs here and there but I'm not sure if these are not implemented or actually well hidden

Also the keepsakes - are these also hidden somewhere?

[spiral linden]

still unreleased but the keepsakes are unlockable

[obtuse tapir]

the bottom row

some hints for that?

[spiral linden]

they're relationship goals

[obtuse tapir]

oh

[spiral linden]

just keep cramming nectar down someone lol

[obtuse tapir]

so my guess now is that I have to reach maximum heart with someone

[woeful stirrup]

Wait, what do you mean with bottom row. Do you mean the row that's nearly empty or the six bigger slots on the bottom of the keepsake screen?

[obtuse tapir]

and have to give the big ambrosia bottle to that person

[spiral linden]

Also, dont discard your ambrosia for early exchanges. Wish i knew this lol

its a late game material

[woeful stirrup]

Former case, this row's just not full. Latter case, yes, gotta get maximum hearts with some of the characters (||Meg, Than, Sisyphus and Skelly||), then wait for a special chain of events to trigger. Solve it, you can now give them ambrosia.

[obtuse tapir]

I've played 100+ games when the kings were the final boss

but less than 10 when the 4th biome was released

so I was not very familiar with the newer stuffs

thanks!

[spiral linden]

no worries 🙂 we're all learning

[obtuse tapir]

so the keepsakes are the only "hidden" things that are actually playable atm?

[spiral linden]

yeah you have keepsakes and "trinkets" currently but those bottom slots are 4 characters who require nectar investment then later on, ambrosia.

[obtuse tapir]

seems like I've gotta talk to them a LOT to finally reach the end

[spiral linden]

some are easier than others.

Some feel like they will never trigger but they do

[obtuse tapir]

are these like obviously better than the other ones?

right now I'm using pierced butterfly rank 3 as my primary keepsake

[spiral linden]

oh yeah but thats half the fun right?

[woeful stirrup]

You can pick one in addition to a regular keepsake.

[obtuse tapir]

but I don't really feel like I love it much

oh

[spiral linden]

keepsakes and trinkets dont take up the same slot. Those last 6 become like an activated special ability

but currently theres only 4

[woeful stirrup]

They can't be changed during a run, and you can only use it once per run (number goes up if you upgrade it though).

[spiral linden]

^

hence hold your ambrosia

and thank us later

[loud elk]

yeah I traded like 20 of my ambrosia's for titan's blood

[spiral linden]

i did the same

becuase it wasnt obvious what it was needed for lol

[obtuse tapir]

I wasn't gonna trade my ambrosia bottles anyway because I have like a ton of darkness and stuff

and I'm not really into diamonds or titan bloods atm

[loud elk]

have you unlocked weapon aspects yet?

[obtuse tapir]

not all of them

but these didn't look so fun

[loud elk]

some are amazing

[obtuse tapir]

so I'm just unlocking the ones that seem interesting

like I really dislike the sword because of zero ranged attack ability

[loud elk]

hestia aspect for exagryph, hera's for bow, chaos for shield, poseidon's for sword, and imo hades for spear

[obtuse tapir]

so I just tried increased movement speed for once and never looked at it again

[spiral linden]

there's no right way to unlock the weapons. Some just have a flavor you like. I'm an achilles spear guy

[loud elk]

i tried to use achilles spear but i never really liked varatha's special so yeah i just stuck to spin to win because it requires little to no skill :^)

[obtuse tapir]

also idk if it's just coincidence but for most of the weapons my favorite aspect is Zag aspect

so I didn't really invest much into unlocking stuffs

[spiral linden]

tell that to the gun.

[loud elk]

yeah the gun really lacks

more ammo is poopy

[spiral linden]

zag aspect for gun is meh

[loud elk]

the others its okay

[spiral linden]

oh on zagreus bow, where hes actually lore-tied

[loud elk]

i wish the bow's zagreus aspect improved its power shot instead of the crit chance

[spiral linden]

its really good upgraded

[loud elk]

lore-tied?

i gotta check this

[spiral linden]

zag had a bow in lore

[loud elk]

oh damn really

i had no idea

[obtuse tapir]

Yeah well Zag aspect for the gun looks bad

I often pick up unlimited ammo for a hammer when I do gun runs

[spiral linden]

it is. I use the reload buff

[obtuse tapir]

but +4 and +inf is someting really different

[last nacelle]

Infinity Chamber is a waste of a hammer.

[loud elk]

depends

if you use spread shot not really

[last nacelle]

Rail upgrades are so strong that everything else is better.

[spiral linden]

Infinity chamber is useful if you're proccing stat effects over and over

[loud elk]

but spread shot and explosive shot is pretty epic

[spiral linden]

i wouldnt say useless

[loud elk]

you're limited to 2 max right?

[obtuse tapir]

There's an Artemis boon which fires an additional arrow when my attacks hit

with that I had fun with inf chambers

[last nacelle]

Zagreus aspect on the bow used to increase the power shot window.

[obtuse tapir]

btw what's the max level for an aspect?

[last nacelle]

5

[spiral linden]

5

[last nacelle]

Zagreus aspects are cheaper to level up.

[obtuse tapir]

ok never gonna have too much blood

[loud elk]

Zagreus aspect costs 5 in total

or is it 6

[woeful stirrup]

I'd recommend first unlocking every aspect, then upgrading the ones you like.

[last nacelle]

Bow and Shield have the best zagreus aspects.

[spiral linden]

I agree, I think trying each one out is worth it and the prophecy is worth the grind

[loud elk]

it costs 36 titan's blood to max all aspects

for a single weapon

[obtuse tapir]

prophecy?

what is that?

[last nacelle]

Does anybody else literally become tired when just seeing a spear special be used multiple times back to back?

[loud elk]

did you buy the fated list of minor prophecies from the house contractor?

[spiral linden]

the table in your bedroom. You may have to buy it from the merchant

[obtuse tapir]

I re-mapped my special attack into rightclick

[loud elk]

i get tired when i do hades aspect spear runs

even though spin to win is fun sometimes it just gets so op

and then you enter elysium

and they have shields

[spiral linden]

i hate having a bow in elysium

[loud elk]

shields are just so unfairly strong on enemies

[spiral linden]

there's intended time windows\

[loud elk]

especially given how weird their angles are

[spiral linden]

like wind-up animations and stuff to pay attention to

like before they wind up and charge you, theyre open. attack them

[loud elk]

i know but when there are 3 different shield guys hitting you each with different tempos it's just hard to dodge

[spiral linden]

yeah lol, i think dmg immunity is inherently good at breaking momentum

[loud elk]

you either focus on hitting, taking damage, or you focus on dodging, rarely hitting

i wouldn't mind it so much if their shields didn't have such wide angles

it feels like you can't hit them even from the side

furthermore the speed in which they turn around to face you is also debilitating

[last nacelle]

On the only aspect where you care about consistent strong power shots, you at least have crits to make those shots be worth the effort.

[loud elk]

you mean the zagreus aspect on the bow?

[last nacelle]

Yes

Hera aspect gets most damage from casts, while Chiron is from special.

[loud elk]

chiron aspect works very well with dionysus boons

[obtuse tapir]

I think it's just strong in general

it's shotgun but like condensed even in distant range

[worldly mauve]

homing missile launcher.

[obtuse tapir]

I really wish the increment bonuses are multiplicative

it'd be really broken tho

with like 2+ chaos boons supporint the same damage type

[last nacelle]

Does anybody know how trial rooms are generated?

Like, what affects the probability.

[obtuse tapir]

pro tip i just realized: don't touch the trove in Elysium and beyond

[opal bay]

How controversial does Cast Build sound?

[wooden lodge]

wait why wouldn't you touch the trove?

the real protip is not to buy troves for 30 gold since they don't scale with your trove bonus

[opal bay]

I guess it makes some sense after like +10 heat level?

[obtuse tapir]

because it's very painful?

the reward doesn't feel liek worth it there

[opal bay]

Troves are good, unless your build is just not centered around doing insane amount of damage in a quick.

[hollow sorrel]

The gem troves only give a decent amount of gems if you've bought the most gem-expensive non-cosmetic item in the game... at which point you don't need the gemstones anymore

[last nacelle]

What things does deflect not work on?

How well does the Athena revenge effect work as a ghetto spearpoint?

[obtuse tapir]

wow

my first run with a fully upgraded aspect was really fun

it was zag spear lv5

and I did basically all-in into spear throw and return

and one throw-return was dealing something like 450 damage on average

took only 2 hits from the last boss in total

[hollow sorrel]

I think most attacks and projectiles can be deflected, but there might be issues where you could technically get damaged by the deflected projectiles, which usually only happens if you've slowed down the projectiles with a duo boon

[obtuse tapir]

is it possible to get damaged from the refelcted projectiles?

like, aren't they considered 'friendly' in the game sense?

[hollow sorrel]

Like, if you deflect a slowed purple clump projectile, but it then splits apart into little purple projectiles, you might be able to run into those. I really didn't test it thoroughly, but it really did seem like some of the deflected projectiles good weird when slowed down

[obtuse tapir]

it's possible to try that in elysium with that neutral big purple slow arrow but idk

[hollow sorrel]

good -> got

Someone said the minotaur's shockwave can still damage when deflected

I've never thoroughly tested that either

in the case of the purple clump projectile, maybe the small projectiles that spawn from it counts as separate projectiles, and not the same projectile was what you deflected

semi unrelated, there are some grenade/spear lunge/shockwave attacks that I don't try to block with the shield. I'm not sure if they technically hit behind me, so I'm blocking the wrong way, but they don't seem to reliably be shield blocked, so I dodge them instead

[rich edge]

Elysium is harder than hades. Change my mind 😂

[loud elk]

honestly it is

it's the shields that are to blame imo

and the butterfly guys are so unbelievably annoying depending on your build

[wooden lodge]

wait wait

hold up

are you telling me area 3 is harder than area 2??????

[loud elk]

yeah

lol the profanity filter

[wooden lodge]

I did yes lol

I can't believe the game gets harder as you progress

[loud elk]

trust me when i say you'll get used to it

at first i wondered how tf anyone could get past the hydra

now im wonderin how i can shorten my runs from 25 minutes

and how i can avoid the got dam shields

i hate the shield enemies so much

ironically using the shield weapon is your best counter against them imo

also, a little tip: if you have an Artemis cast, you can actually shoot through their shields with it

[neon bough]

@wooden lodge the thing is Area 3 is harder than Area 4

[wooden lodge]

oh I thought Hades was the fire area

that area is actually my least favorite

[neon bough]

Asphodel ?

[wooden lodge]

if area four is cerberus's area then that's probably the easiest in the game minus those bloody poisoning peeps

[neon bough]

Depends on yout build

It's very easy with chaos shield

Quite difficult with a melee weapon

Btw I tried fully upgraded chaos shield with Dio special

madness

[red lantern]

l just got completely shredded by a bug l think

had athena deflect on taking damage + Poseidon dash?

[pure junco]

If you deflect an attack, it becomes friendly, as far as I have seen. However, if you deflect a splitter's orb, the split projectiles are not friendly.

(When the orb hits an enemy or wall)

[gloomy scroll]

I have observed it acting in the way you describe but also with them being friendly after the split

it'a weird

[opal bay]

Though can we agree Hades is harder than any previous boss fights due to sheer reason his hits are way bigger than others.

[obtuse tapir]

I think his skull throw attack is the most difficult attack to handle properly

[opal bay]

But I can agree, Styx is a cakewalk compared to previous areas due to predictability and smaller poll of enemies to be annoyed at.

[obtuse tapir]

without dash reflect from athena or crazy high dps the skulls are super annoying

[opal bay]

But I see Styx as an area that defies your build as: "Good enough to defeat Hades" or not, since because I noticed in the runs when I take too long in the mini boss sections, the more likely I have the ability to lose. Unless well I am not being careful enough with the vases or his spin attack. Honestly spin attack is pain sometimes.

[red lantern]

spin attack is messed up

the white outline doesnt match where he ends up swinging

[opal bay]

and two dashes are not enough to escape it too

[red lantern]

it is

[opal bay]

is it? I keep messing up every time with it unless I like back up seconds before it.

[wooden lodge]

almost got sub-30 minutes for my clear https://i.imgur.com/030cVYn.jpg

for my spear clear

[cyan snow]

What is everyone's fastest clear time?

I just got an 18:48 not too long ago

[opal bay]

still 28:12 , but it's possibly due to fact of me like going for 3 trove chests every succesful run.

[cyan snow]

I personally don't hit the troves unless it's for gems or I'm desperate for HP

[pallid sky]

i only take gold

[rich edge]

my best run is 16 min with spear, I was lucky with ares attack and athena dash with their duo proc too

which is also my fastest run but I hate the spear

[obtuse tapir]

hey does anyone have some high heat walkthrough/guides?

[rich edge]

pick chaos shield, get Ares on special and another debuff on attack = Profit?

[obtuse tapir]

8 heat run was easy (+# of enemy, harder boss)

16 seems doable with some decent strat but

[pure junco]

I have never looked at my fastest run.

But my highest plume was 25.2% and highest streak of 5.

[obtuse tapir]

32 seems not very doable (for me)

[pure junco]

wym

[rich edge]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKVTS6EcWfDrmQtbRMclrqg

[pure junco]

People do high heat runs all the time

[rich edge]

check out this dude

he got couple 32 runs

[pure junco]

Noice

[obtuse tapir]

what does tight deadline do

I never actually tried it

does zag insta-die or something

[rich edge]

loses 5 hp per second

if you go over the time

[obtuse tapir]

oh the max rank of conditions kinda changed from when I used to do high heat runs (pre-elysium)

back then +500% damage and -100% recovery and praying for no hit was a strat

another thing, does erebus still exist in this version?

[pure junco]

Who

[obtuse tapir]

I've done a few runs and those infernal gates were nowhere to be seen

ah

I've read the wiki

and I've gotta make a deal with the contractor to make these appear

ok a long way to go

btw I feel like the extreme measures version of Theseus is easier to deal with compared to his normal version

am I the only one to think so

Asterius on the other hand became a nightmare

[sand glade]

It was... hilarious to watch, though him destroying two of my little "shield" beams was concerning.

The moment I got him dismounted, he basically became like his usual second part self and summoned a god nad threw his tiny spear

swung his silver shield around

and thought he was doing something

[pure junco]

dismounted

wut

[sand glade]

Asterius... sweetie, I'm sorry

[obtuse tapir]

I still can't figure out how to avoid that super bull rush consistently

I could outrun him only when I had +44% speed buff from hermes

[sand glade]

I try to zip once he gets close to the wall, but somehow, that bull can even move around the little cups

[obtuse tapir]

exactly

like trying to move sideaway a bit didn't usually do much most of the time

[sand glade]

Said before. He does not move naturally when he's charging. He's a magnet.

I think I even had Hermes' extra speed after dash boon and sometimes, evne that's not enough because he'll still catch me

[pure junco]

To dodge bull rush stand in front of a pillar then dash through it as many times as needed.

[wooden lodge]

first serious attempt at a clear with the railgun nets me a 25 minute win, triple special bomb at the start helped a LOT https://i.imgur.com/CRTgsqq.jpg

so, ares on your main attack allows you to rapidly clear room, artemis special allows for HUGE detonations with that 20% crit, athena dash was my attempt at getting Merciful End but I failed again

I also managed to get infinite rail so I never needed to reload, just dash around and hit enemies with doom

[red lantern]

l just finished a 2 heat railgun run

[pure junco]

epic

[turbid needle]

I wish people realized the increased uptime was so powerful.

[pure junco]

Wuts dat

[red lantern]

l started with zeus then artemis 2x

[pure junco]

Nice

[red lantern]

got the darkness boon, ended up with 1600 darkness in 1 run

really really lucky

never beat hades with sword, spear or bow

[onyx flint]

how does chaos dash attack boons work with rail and bow?

[last nacelle]

Those weapons have dash attacks.

[rich edge]

if you get artemis Dash and get chaos boon for dash

it gets added into main attack

you can see 2k crits on rail

[onyx flint]

is it just the first attack after dashing? within a certain window of course

they aren't really modified attacks like the melee weapons

[turbid needle]

Attack you do while dashing.

Press the input in the middle of the dash.

It's a single round with a much higher firerate.

You'll "burst fire" two shots.

[onyx flint]

oh

cool, thanks

[remote latch]

Hi I’m reading conflicting info on wiki/reddit. Can someone confirm about triggering Skelly’s Companion quest: I’ve given him 6 nectars and the next heart in the codex shows a lock symbol. I’ve done 3 runs since then thinking he would bring up the quest in the next conversation but he never does. Advice?

[twilit stag]

when you use your call, get one or two tiny hits it, then the boss gets an invulnerability shield and stands around chilling until the call ends

love when that happens

[stray frigate]

@remote latch just talk to him after every run

can u gift him more nectar?

[remote latch]

No

[twilit stag]

do you have a maxed out sword

[turbid needle]

All the boss Impervious phases are at the same health every time. Furies have them at quarter intervals, etc.

[remote latch]

No he never asked me to do that

[stray frigate]

so it just will happen soon enough

[remote latch]

So in other words I have to deplete all the scripted conversations first? The codex says I still have 6 more conversations to “learn more” about skelly

[stray frigate]

no

talks are for codex

[twilit stag]

@turbid needle I still find it pretty much pointless and annoying for all bosses except the hydra where it at least makes some sense

[stray frigate]

it have nothing with quests

[pastel jolt]

how many aspects do you have unlocked

just outta curiosity

[turbid needle]

I don't think they're going away.

[remote latch]

I have 6 different aspects unlocked

[rich edge]

I got 7 maxed out

[twilit stag]

pretty sad

[pastel jolt]

🤔

[rich edge]

most of them are useless

spear specially

[pastel jolt]

alright it sounds like you just need to keep talking to him then

[rich edge]

railgun/hera, shield/chaos, basic sword, basic spear and sword 3rd one that dislogges crystal

rest is meh

[compact niche]

I think it comes down to your playstyle, honestly.

[wooden lodge]

I somehow got sub 30 minutes with the frigging bow and my build was not half as good at killing as the railgun build I posted half an hour ago https://i.imgur.com/0oooyRQ.jpg

wait

the rail build was 4 mins faster

nm I can't read

that makes sense since it was a screen wiping build

right click to delet

HAHAHAHAHA https://i.imgur.com/SBpyhPX.jpg

[remote latch]

I don’t know. It’s hard to argue with 150 base dmg per shot on rail. % and Crit modifiers take it to outer space

[wooden lodge]

that has to be the funniest line in the game

[compact niche]

I'm partial to a few others but I think at least one of them is a spoiler

[stray frigate]

@compact niche where?

[turbid needle]

"He cannot keep killing me like this, believe the Underworld Prince."

[compact niche]

||Say hello to Hypnos for me.||

[wooden lodge]

so regarding the hidden aspects, are those just yet to be added or can I unlock them somehow? https://i.imgur.com/QAev5HC.jpg

I can't tell if I have to unlock an actual renovation to obtain them

[stray frigate]

they will add in game later

[compact niche]

I think those are still to be added

[rich edge]

bottom one is for future content

[stray frigate]

yes

[rich edge]

"renovations" is like pre release stuff thats getting worked on

[stray frigate]

same for new summons

[rich edge]

thats why they keep hinting to renovations

[obtuse tapir]

oh god

just realized that skull waves from Hades is also considered 'trap' the hard way

I just got 1-shotted by it and was like what?

175 damage are you serious

lesson learned: don't choose heightened security

[stray frigate]

@obtuse tapir i learned this in styx -_-

[turbid needle]

Heightened Security is for the crazy, like me.

Also with Sure Footing, that thing is amazing.

[obtuse tapir]

I thought it'd be fine since the traps are very obvious and easy to avoid

but nah

how come these skull waves are also traps

[turbid needle]

I didn't realize the skull shockwaves were traps. I knew the urns were.

[obtuse tapir]

The worst scenario I had in mind was taking 45 from spike floor traps in Alecto's room

and 45 is managable

but 175?

[turbid needle]

You've never tried the EM Hydra fight with HS, have you?

[obtuse tapir]

I did

the lava felt terribly painful

[turbid needle]

It is nice when you need to suicide out of a run so you just stand in lava for a few seconds.

[obtuse tapir]

but well I shouldn't be stepping on these

so I could accept that

[stray frigate]

barge of death with mid management and +123% of enemies

[turbid needle]

Was that from Chaos? Jury Summons doesn't affect those fights anymore.

[stray frigate]

oh they dont?

so it was only 63%

"only"

[turbid needle]

Nope, been a minute since they did.

[stray frigate]

damn

i cant play(

[jade knot]

guys sorta curious but how many runs did you go before you ran into thanatos? o:

[dusky coral]

What would you guys classify as a good time for a run btw?

[stray frigate]

@jade knot ~20-25

weekend

with cup of hot tea

and some candies

when i'm home alone

[dusky coral]

.. Time as in time it shows at the end. But thats not a bad answer either

[hollow sorrel]

Once you start pumping up the heat, if a run is 30-45 minutes, that's decent too

[stray frigate]

sry man

my english is rly bad

[hollow sorrel]

Unless you're doing tight deadline, and rushing through everything

[jade knot]

im averaging 40-45 mins a run but i do spend a lot of time running around smashing urns, to be fair

[stray frigate]

25 mins for 0 heat

[rich edge]

once you get the hang of tight deadline it become free heat tbh

[stray frigate]

too much but i dont want to rush

and miss well or chest

[jade knot]

im also admittedly hanging around the rooms to peer at the deco and the art

[hollow sorrel]

awkwardly, I think the 2nd and 3rd bosses are faster with their boss upgrades

fighting all three sisters with the sword is sometimes a hot mess though, if the other sisters RNG the circles/blades repeatedly in melee range of the boss. Like it's doable, but it can be a bit obnoxious

and I wish that tight deadline would give a small time bonus for reaching the end of a satyr tunnel. It's sort of weird that tight deadline is super easy if you luckily find the satyr sack on the 3rd tunnel, but sort of obnoxious if you were unlucky enough to find the sack on the last tunnel

[dusky coral]

Ye, i think my first time fighting the 3 furies with the sword i lost a deaths defiance cause i had a horribly weak sword start. Ended the run really strong tho. It was also the only deaths defiance i used

[plush holly]

weak sword start?

i feel like the sword has the highest dps in the game even early

[remote latch]

How is sword more dps than hestia rail

Teach me your secret

[dusky coral]

Well it wasnt weak but it was my first time facing all 3 furies which kinda messed me up. And relatively weak start was only poison dash, and no daedalus hammer i think

[plush holly]

uhh, sword full crit build or full athena build

[dusky coral]

No attack boons or whatever

[plush holly]

damn

[dusky coral]

Oh yeah crit dash sword is insane dps.

[plush holly]

i haven't actually tried the hestia rail yet, only the one before it

but i really like the damage boost mechanic

[remote latch]

But crit build on 150 base dmg is way higher than 20-30 base of sword

[plush holly]

hmmm true

[remote latch]

Rail Crits at 900-2200 per hit depending on luck with build.

[dusky coral]

Hestia is the reload aspect?

[plush holly]

btw uhh, if you use the shield non offensively then i feel like it may be a little too powerful

because you litterly can block anything with it

and if you play passive i don't think you can loose

[remote latch]

Spicy, might be hard to do timer heat though 🙂

[wooden lodge]

I'm getting faster and faster, this is my best run yet https://i.imgur.com/h9gmW00.jpg