Aphrodite for her attack because it has the highest bonus
#h1-builds-and-combat
mild crag
serene nexus
I assume that the priority goes Aphrodite > Artemis > Poseidon?
kind fiber
I'd skip posiedon
The rail isn't good for triggering knockback
The top 3 would be aphro, artemi and athena
compact wyvern
No
kind fiber
Artemis scales the highest with other sources of % attack damage and artemis's crit talents
compact wyvern
Not in my opinion
kind fiber
It doesn't trigger wall slams easily you'd just be taking it to keep enemies away
compact wyvern
Ares should be up there his boons are op
kind fiber
Ares isn't good for the hestia aspect rail
serene nexus
Yeah. Is it me or is the rail REALLY finicky when it builds.
serene nexus
It either shreds hard or it falls off.
kind fiber
generally I build rail as a combo between the special and the attack
serene nexus
Maybe it’s because I’m not using my special too often...
kind fiber
The special isn't as spammable as most, but its highly efficient as a way a to spend your time
compact wyvern
I hate rail honestly
kind fiber
The special has amazing hammer boons
compact wyvern
Only 1
granite vine
rail special is really important, yeah
compact wyvern
Forgot about slowed but rocket feels lackluster cause of the delay
serene nexus
It’s so freaking hard to aim too
granite vine
unlike the other weapons I don't think you can do a good run neglecting rail special
kind fiber
It basically removes the delay from the normal version of the weapon?
compact wyvern
No
compact wyvern
Wym
kind fiber
Instead of like a 3 second delay of hitting an area
you just fire a projectile that hits on contact and does extra damage?
granite vine
rocket stops you from needing to predict movement as well
compact wyvern
It has a long delay between shots feels awkward has less aoe and doesn't do that much more dmg
kind fiber
how could that not be a good upgrade?
compact wyvern
I prefer the aoe of base any day
kind fiber
It has just as long of a delay as the old version
serene nexus
In hindsight. Trying out maxed forced overtime (50% movement speed) on a ranged weapon might not have been a good idea...0
kind fiber
its just better like 90% of the time
compact wyvern
No way to understand how long it is
kind fiber
@serene nexus yeah 50% movement speed is busted
compact wyvern
Not for me but ok
compact wyvern
I ain't
kind fiber
you is
compact wyvern
I just like aoe
kind fiber
the rockets still explode for aoe damage
in what I imagine is the same area
just has to actually hit an enemy
compact wyvern
Less controll and more anoying
kind fiber
Which is not a huge requirement given the fact you don't have to predict enemies anymore
compact wyvern
It's just me
granite vine
less control?
compact wyvern
I predict enemies just fine
kind fiber
Even if you do, not having to anymore is going to increase your accuracy
compact wyvern
I can aim the aoe anywhere with rocket it has to be centered on an enemy
It really won't ascended
kind fiber
whatever man
granite vine
when you could blast them in the face instead of waiting
kind fiber
it really will
serene nexus
From now on I’ll keep forced overtime at around 30 or so.
granite vine
rail would be so much more fun for me if half the gameplay wasn't about waiting
serene nexus
As it stands right now, even with Aphrodite on attack Hestia falls off quite a bit
kind fiber
especially against middle mangement medusa + elite head
yeah, grab the rocket specials
they are all great
serene nexus
That may be compounded by the forced overtime making me miss my charges shots
kind fiber
Possibly, 50% overtime is definitely an annoying pact to deal with
wooden lodge
so, if I choose this option which boosts my special damage by 100%+, it won't boost the effect of Zeus's lightning bolt, right? https://i.imgur.com/EBLtZLP.jpg
kind fiber
Keep in mind that this isn't a huge loss
since most % damage in the game stacks additively not multiplicatively so its not like it would do better with most of the other boons like aphrodite or athena
% damage from chaos works basically the same way regardless of which boons you choose for the base version of a weapon
The exception would be artemis since crit is multiplicative
wooden lodge
...so I passed on 100%+ special damage only to get offered the heroic tier artemis special https://i.imgur.com/joMNtlY.jpg
get rekt me
obtuse ravine
hahah just finished a run where I got Festive Fog, Scintillating Feast, Greater Recall, and Fully Loaded
i cleared rooms by just running around and covering it in purple smoke
wooden lodge
also yes while the 100%+ might be additive and not multiplicative that doesn't matter
my thunder bolt deals 54 damage, while my base special deals 15
so giving me +15 damage vs +54 is obviously not as good
kind fiber
really?
opal bay
Currently doing a run where my spin attack can deal about 1200 on crit, but mostly 360 damage, about to see if it will work well against the last boss.
kind fiber
haven't used the non zeus aspect shield for a long time
wooden lodge
that's what I've been seeing yup
granite vine
spin attack ew
kind fiber
I just mean that I haven't seen it trigger multiple times on any other wapon
like the bow special doesn't trigger the bolt 10 times for ever special use
granite vine
because other specials don't usually hit the same target multiple times?
kind fiber
i thought the zeus aspect was an exception
opal bay
I though of that same for Spin Attack, but I don't like the Special for spear even more so opted in to upgrade Spin instead of Special.
kind fiber
Its not about hitting the same target multiple times
its about hitting any target multiple times
granite vine
if you have Zeus special bow you drop lightning on everyone your spray hits
wooden lodge
yeah and if you hit all the arrows on one guy you hammer him with a hail of thunder
kind fiber
meh, i'm dumb I just pass up on the zeus special because I think it looks bad
wooden lodge
zeus shield special and aphrodite shield normal attacks are like the safest combo in the game I've found yet
granite vine
Zeus bolts do +X damage instead of +% damage so the impact varies by weapon
some cases it's awesome and in others it's blah
wooden lodge
with zeus, the faster you can do hits, the better
kind fiber
I get it
wooden lodge
the slow weapons suck for zeus
kind fiber
I think I just assumed such a situation wouldn't happen because that would be broken in my mind
livid pilot
just did a posiden run with aimbot special bow
granite vine
flurry spear with lightnings 😩
kind fiber
or maybe thats how it worked in the past i dunno
livid pilot
11 shots per special plus knock back and all the knockback buffs
fun fact hades is easy to knock around
granite vine
you don't proc multiple bolts on the same target if you have Chiron with bolts, I think that's the main exception that features
kind fiber
which ones chiron?
livid pilot
all of the special bow arrow procs knocback with posiden
kind fiber
The chiron aspect bow?
kind fiber
Huh, it just seemed terrible when I used it
livid pilot
well i did have the + 100 dmg explosion from wall bounces
and the extra damage from wall knockbacks
also i ended up with a lvl 6 heroic special posiden boon
+242% special damage with chiron bow 
opal bay
Okay I screwed up that run by side stepping into the green vase cool
Was so close too on the second phase. Hurt.
livid pilot
viscious cycle with ares call is ridiculous
frosty pier
It's a legendary for a reason.
livid pilot
ironically i got it during a posiden run
i only had a basic ares call and then bam i got legendary XD
opal bay
Is one level damage control alright? Need one more heat to fill the heat gauge and was wondering how much that may affect the run.
livid pilot
tbh dmg control doesnt affect it imo
wooden lodge
shield is so good, already up to five skulls no problemo https://i.imgur.com/pUIbh3i.jpg
obtuse ravine
dmg control keeps you from doing charged up attacks as they spawn so you can't insta-kill them
elfin wagon
Got a question here. How much damage is needed for the temporary impervious shield on Zagreus to activate?
frosty pier
I'd say that it somwhere around 40-50-ish?...
cedar remnant
hera aspect with bow is fun man
elfin wagon
Ok thanks
fallow niche
Just got the absolutely disgusting Zeus + Poseidon Chaos aspect shield build going
Absolute brutality
Marks my 25th completed run in a row now
karmic coyote
good job, but chaos shield doesn't count
frosty pier
Chad buzzsaw ftw.
karmic coyote
breaking news, people actually use zeus shield
karmic coyote
i would defend zeus shield if i know how to use it, but i clearly don't so yeah
fallow niche
Possible? Yes. There is a possibility. 
candid merlin
I want proof that someone has done it :<
or am I stuck to doing shield/sword like everybody else :<
karmic coyote
you don't have to use tight deadline though
frosty pier
I mean you running 30+ heat, dying is kinda given at that point.
candid merlin
Goddamn Tissiphone support on Alecto >.<
cedar remnant
QQ just crashed when finishing up temple of styx...
royal coral
Hey Guys, are there any "rules" for changing rewards from a chamber ? Because I often rolled a god away and got gold or something like that.... feels pretty bad, so I just wanted to ask
with rules I mean "If you have reward xx and u role, u can only get these other rewards
hollow sorrel
Blue border symbols can only roll into blue border symbols, and gold border symbols can only roll into gold border symbols
frosty pier
It is outdated but still stands
hollow sorrel
Boons fall into the colored border with the other “non permanent” rewards, like gold, or anything else that you lose when the game is over
muted needle
How much hp is hades p2?
I could have sworn I saw a 5k crit
And he went from his invuln state to like 10%
I wish I'd recorded that run
I know I had a 3k on a satyr, I saw that one clearly but I can't decide whether I saw a "5(00)" and missed the 2-5k big hit on good old father
mild crag
@frosty pier it actually got updated uwu
frosty pier
Oh wow, that's what I get for literally dying for a week.
mild crag
welcome back to life
frosty pier
Eh, there is like 2 weeks till the new update.
keen shard
Might tryout heista since its getting shillied
icy edge
What makes Zeus shield so hard to use?
Yeah, some boons are not as good on it (Poseidon, Artemis, Aphrodite, Ares without more boons), but it has a very clear playstyle
frosty pier
Probably refusal on player's side to actively controll it.
And Heat Timers.
Thing sure takes it's time.
icy edge
True, it's not the zippiest playstyle
Dunno, all the shield aspects are great imo
spark vigil
explosive return + blitz disc = you're golden
keen shard
Is the atethna ares duo still op?
spark vigil
won't complain about it
red lantern
icy edge
Not everyone masters the sensory overload of Hades as easily
But yeah, relying on spear will cap your progress, it's the most beginner friendly weapon
spark vigil
weirdly enough it's the weapon I have the most trouble with
keen shard
Most begginer friendly but the sheild exists?
spark vigil
also aphrodite legendary can be gamebreaking against boss provided you have a rapid method of applying it, James
spark vigil
on rail attack with some attack speed, it's interrupting every pattern
icy edge
But less so than spear imo
spark vigil
with flurry jab yes, but it's finnicky
obtuse ravine
lmao Aphro legendary is great if you can apply weak fast consistently.
keen shard
Sheild has zero risk game play with slightest brain power
Due to block being overpowered in general
Combinded with the fact it can do big dmg
Smh
frosty pier
Well yeah, people tend to optimise fun out of the game.
grand smelt
How is shield even less safe for beginners
Base difficulty is less enemies so way easier to block
teal laurel
frosty pier
It's boooooring
feral laurel
shields easy as pie
untold widget
i finally got the blood to upgrade chaos shield a couple times
and actually managed to put together a run with dio special and all the poison supports
holy crap that was a cakewalk
untold widget
i actually did it twice
the first time i screwed up and wiped on theseus
(stupid poseidon phase)
the second time i had to redeem myself
tweaked the build a bit (ares attack and support volley helped a ton)
also he summoned zeus not poseidon which is much easier to dodge lmao
versed ibex
Does the x400% trap damage pact also affect enemies?
mild crag
@versed ibex nope just your poor soul
versed ibex
damn. My last run, Alecto just decided to hang out on the spike traps and died that way, I thought maybe the damage was higher and that was the cause
untold widget
mfw you bait alecto over the spike traps and they deal 500 damage to her 
lol yeah exactly
mild crag
It's funny the explosive barrels would do like 4500 damage if it affected them lol
feral laurel
alecto?
mild crag
The sadistic fury
Maybe you haven't played long enough to get alternate bosses in Tartarus?
feral laurel
oh I dont pay attention unless they waifu material
i've fought em all, is she the murder one?
mild crag
No
She's the one that calls you trash
And gets angery
And is the hottest of the three don't even begin to @ me
mild crag
frosty pier
Meg and Alecto have different type charm. Can't elevate one over another.
karmic coyote
that's just my custom, i ping people even if i agree with them
grand patrol
youre all sleeping on tisi tho 
mild crag
grand patrol
ok 🚶
mild crag
No stay
frosty pier
We can't fix Tisi with things we have now.
karmic coyote
tisi and ares is a perfect couple
frosty pier
Ambrosia cant do jack if we need a dictionary.
mild crag
Uh I feel like Tisiphone would hate Ares more than anyone else
karmic coyote
that's the joke ba dum tss 🥁
mild crag
untold widget
im looking for a couple of the Overly Sarcastic Productions videos with Artemis
theyre really funny
frosty pier
I wonder if they give Hades a go on stream like they did with AC:O
untold widget
i would LOVE that
i should go drop a mention in their discord, see if they have any interest in it
untold widget
OSP is a youtube channel that among many other things does videos on mythology and history
so stuff like this and Assassin's Creed: Origins are right up their alley
karmic coyote
egyptian and norse mythology too?
karmic coyote
noice, i'll check them out
untold widget
check out their like "channel summary" video
its old but still a good well, summary. anyway
i think them playing this would be awesome
karmic coyote
i understand like 1/5 of their channel trailer video, good enough
unkempt pagoda
gun
deep vault
is it the one that gets more powerful when reloading or when eating the special?
pastel jolt
reloading
deep vault
got nothing on that
I hate manually reloading
might be interesting with Ares if you reload every shot
pastel jolt
hestia rail benefits more from the big damage boosts like aphrodite
the slower rate of fire means ares could also potentially work out but i'm not so sure i'd take impending doom if that's the case
deep vault
maybe even go shotgun - rocket - and aphrodite and dio on any of them
that can likely help keep priviledged status up and get some more or less save reload boosts when enemies are weakened
stoic ginkgo
I almost exclusively take Aphrodite attack on Hestia. I sometimes take Artemis attack
untold widget
does anyone know how damage increases work? is it additive, or multiplicative?
charred solar
Ares is meh on Hestia. The Doom delay is actually longer than your reload, so you either miss Doom on half your shots, or have to delay longer than usual
opal bay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/665234756379607050/20200110194444_1.jpg which attack should I pick? World Splitter or Furry Slash? Currently focusing on getting the big crit chances again.
radiant basin
Is there something i dont know about hera bow? why can i sometimes load all casts and sometimes only load one at a time
untold widget
huh, i havent seen that
radiant basin
I dont know what's causing it
or if it's a bug
But it happens extremely often for it to be a bug
like maybe 50% of the time i load all my casts
serene nexus
I think the lesson I learned while using Hestia is that you still need to spam your special while you play using it.
The single shot burst is nice but you can’t rely on it all the way through
novel nova
@opal bay splitter
opal bay
okay did splitter, Meg is no more in just 10 secods or so.
serene nexus
Which sword aspect are you usingv
silver crag
hey m8ties I cleared yesterday and I wish to show my win screen but i dunno how to go about that via a link
serene nexus
I have a question about God Keepsakes. Do they force a god boon to spawn once and only once? Or is there a chance that they’ll spawn from then on?
For example: if I have Artemis keepsake on and get the first ‘guaranteed’ boon from her and I keep the keepsake on, does that mean that she’s still in the pool of possible gods to get boons from? Or is it a one and done deal?
sand glade
I think someone mentioned this a while back. If I remember it:
The keepsake only works in giving you the god's boon during Tartarus. Afterwards, the boons denoted by that god will have a higher rarity.
It doesn't do what I thought it did and gives a boon from that god at the start of the next region. Just Tartarus.
If you keep the keepsake throughout the run, I think the rarity will be higher
serene nexus
Huh. So there’s literally no point in running a god keepsake after Tartarus then? That doesn’t answer my question though. I am aware that during each run there is a smaller pool of gods you can get boons from. Does that keepsake add that god to this pool permanently or is it just one time?
glad mantle
from what i found out after a lot of testing, it seems like if you hold a keepsake after tartarus (change it during the intermission hallway), there is a guarentee (or very very very high chance) that the god will appear once
it may not be the NEXT boon
but somehow they still show up
glad mantle
sometime during the run, but if you don't choose their door when given the choice then you're screwed
untold widget
the next boon you get will be theirs, baring hermes
unkempt pagoda
???
unkempt pagoda
the keepsake forces the next non hermès boon to the specified god, regardless of level
untold widget
if you keep the keepsake on
glad mantle
hmm, i defintiely had moments where i equip Ares' Keepsake on the way to Asphodel and Ares wasn't the next boon
serene nexus
I know that.
glad mantle
but he did appear a little later
untold widget
the rarity effect is still in play
serene nexus
Let’s say that I have the following gods I can theoretically pull from: Zeus, Poseidon, Ares, and Dionysus
unkempt pagoda
the forced boon works whether you equip it before tartarus, asphodel, or elysium
untold widget
i dont think theres a small pool per run, is there?
thats my first time hearing of that
serene nexus
If I have Artemis’ keepsake in Tartarus and get Artemis at the start, does that mean I can now get Artemis, Zeus, Poseidon, Ares, and Dionysus?
pastel jolt
hermes bypasses the keepsake forcing
serene nexus
Or do I just get Artemis once
glad mantle
Artemis is added to the pool
not just once
though it might seem that way if you're already heavily invested in the other 3 or 4
in which case the game SEEMS to (no evidence) prioritize artemis a lot less
i've equipped the ares keepsake in Elysium before and managed to get his legendary
before the final boss
so def possible
and he didn't appear in Tart or Aspho either
serene nexus
If so, does this mean that if I switch to another God’s keepsake (such as Zeus) they get added to the pool or is there a ‘keepsake god’ slot in the boon pool where the additional god in the pool is determined by whether or not you’re wearing their keepsake
novel python
Poseidon Special on Chiron Bow with riptide feels moist af
median otter
Does the bow have a dash attack?
novel python
It does, mostly it just shoots out the arrow when you dash
glad mantle
all the keepsake does is make sure the next god you find is added to the pool as well
novel python
pretty mediocre if you ask me
sand glade
I need to get back into the game and try to finish Athena's Fated Listing. I only have ONE more boon to get but he hasn't shown up.
median otter
i think it should be a cool forward slash
glad mantle
Bow's Dash attack is a super fast charge shot
sand glade
Divine Protection
serene nexus
Same. It still hasn’t spawned for me
deep vault
I love how all your messages are getting to me but mine won't get sent
Ah now the last one got through
Thanks discord
glad mantle
For Athena's Divine I only managed to get it when buying from Charon at Temple of Styx
managed to get it to show up by equipping Athena's charm at the start
and never equipping another god's charm
deep vault
What's divine protection?
glad mantle
should heavily limit your boon pool and allow you to get enough of Athena's boons to earn the Legendary
Athena's Legendary boon
you need to earn 3 (?) of her boons, then when you next get her boon there's a chance that'll show up in one of the 3 choices
it's broken as hell
glad mantle
after you take teh damage, barrier disappears and respawns after 20 seconds
no limit
glad mantle
Yup
The fun is finding out what they do on your own while playing
A lot of ‘oh hell that’s AWESOME’ moments
deep vault
I remember when support fire was Artemis' legendary boon
deep vault
I think even though I have encountered him a lot I never got Dio's legendary
glad mantle
Yeah so for Legendary boons, you need a specific boon from that god
E.g. Poseidon’s Legendary requires razor shoals, barrier damage and/or the wave explode boon, which in itself requires one of his ‘push back’ tier 1 boons
sand glade
Funny how the wiki puts it too. Because it says to get Divine Protection, I need Brilliant Repitore. But to get that, I need a combination of these three boons. :3
glad mantle
Yup
Some gods are merciful and only require 1 tier 2 boon, like Artemis
Athena and Poseidon are just extremely rare
To randomly get if you aren’t actively farming for it
sand glade
And then Heroic and Legendary boons WOULD spawn when I already have the slot filled with a different boon.
deep vault
Imagine though
legendary chaos boon
sand glade
I think #hades-tech-fixes-old
deep vault
You can post bug reports from the game with uh
F12?
glad mantle
Legendary Chaos Boons exist my friend ;)
But i wont spoil what they are
Ask in Hades Spoilers if you really want to know
sand glade
OMG
I gotta go back there five times back to back? Chaos needs to stop holding back on me
glad mantle
No haha
Chaos’ is special
Its random
Very very rare occasions do you get it
No real way to earn it either i think
Just gotta get hella lucky
sand glade
So far, I think I've visited them twice or thrice within a run, so they better give me what I'm owed!
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665257981851729953/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 would you take the duo or the attack for easier privileged status apply?
novel python
I do have the deflect on cast, she doesn't wanna give me the dash sadly
And I took the attack and later got the duo as well
in ely
kind fiber
The athena/aphro duo is stronger than I thought it would be before I got it since it also reduces the total distance a projectile will travel
novel python
It's alright, she gave me her heroic dash in styx
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665266356396228610/unknown.png well hello there
serene nexus
I got Shady last night but have yet to get Meg again so I can give Ambrosia. Still missing her and Than
novel python
I'm missing everyone but Meg
Also, in which situations would you take Pulverizing blow?
novel python
Badum Tss
lethal plank
i slept on the bow for so long
did like 2 runs with it and got to Hades with no struggle
i died at second phase tho because somehow i didn't have any of my DD
novel python
"somehow"
lethal plank
yeah like literally i didn't catch using them anywhere
i probably dumped one because of the poison traps
those get me everytime
pure junco
I think that's called short term memory loss.
lethal plank
im that but times eleven
i always forget that i switch weapons when i start a new run
one time i tried to bull rush with the spear, i dumped half of my hp in the first 3 floors in tartarus LOL
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665283079266631690/unknown.png?width=452&height=485 what do yall think about this set up and how can I make this better
proven cosmos
Needs for Artemis
rich edge
everything needs artemis XD
novel python
Tbh I'm pretty ok with the build that I've got
I got the zeus poseidon duo
Now every time I hit with an attack theres lightning too
Also I've got both poseidon and zeus dash ( theoretically )
eternal stag
cringe dialogue for your fail father 🤔
pure junco
Don't beat him pepehands
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665286870183182346/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 he got it comming
I got so many status effects he was permanently under Privileged Status
Jolted, Rupture, Weakened, Poison
All I did in styx was dash around and stuff was dieing
solid cairn
Speaking of Poseidon
Pos aspect for sword is the most well-designed aspect in the game in terms of what it does and also how cool it is
It’s also very balanced and does at lot without upgrades but still has benefits to upgrading
turbid needle
hey does anyone know how to get back to game after dying
cuz im stuck in the weapon room
solid cairn
Door won’t work?
turbid needle
no like when you walk to the river of styx to get back to the chambers
rich edge
bottom right corner there is door
turbid needle
i cant
grand smelt
Bottom right
onyx flint
i think i picked up the blood after killing meg on a new heat difficulty too fast
game is not responding
will I lose my run if i force quit?
yep rip my run that sucks
pure junco
If you give up, yes. If you press "Quit", no.
mighty ermine
@solid cairn totally agree; poseidon aspect is super fun, and it's a shame that nemesis overshadows it so often from just being so efficient
frosty burrow
Does anybody know what the claimable big bag does?
untold widget
in styx?
frosty burrow
I found one alongside with a Daedalus Hammer
untold widget
in styx?
frosty burrow
yes
untold widget
thats what youre looking for to get past cerb
frosty burrow
thanks! Can I still do the other paths if I take it?
frosty burrow
ok!
untold widget
you can do them, as long as you dont give it to cerb yet
frosty burrow
thanks 👍
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665299844868341771/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 I feel like taking the nectar since I don't have all my boons, what do yall say?
pure junco
Nectar is trash
lethal plank
usually i just automatically take ambrosia delight even with no boons
on passives it's cool
novel python
I would just take the nectar since I need to get some more boons for attack, special, cast and call
Now I'm not sure
try to get the heroic special and if not reset and take porridge?
lethal plank
tbh just throwpick
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665301987402973195/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 Heroic does more damage but Rupture would give me that extra status effect for privileged status
lethal plank
rupture
im the dash maniac type so i tend to run in front of enemies a ton
- poseidon dash lands twice
novel python
Why is the music from hydra fight a more hyped up version of good riddance
ive just noticed
turbid needle
It's not, actually.
There's a song called River of Flame that has a second more metal half and it's that music.
novel python
Ah, I see
Sounds really similar tbh
Explosive Return or Dread Flight ( +6 bounces to special )?
turbid needle
Explosive Return.
novel python
So the combo is dash through them and use special in melee range ig?
hearty owl
is the next update going to give an ending?
turbid needle
Probably not.
crimson geyser
does anyone know why they changed rupture from dealing damage that scaled with enemy movement speed? it seems like now it must basically be just another poison that sometimes doesn't deal damage....?
pure junco
It used to be based on move speed?
That would be so broken for enemies that jump around.
novel python
@crimson geyser use Chiron with Poseidon on special
You force them to move with rupture on
Ez
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/665308427236671488/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 Is that legendary even worth picking or should I just go for the call
versed ibex
What part of the game are you at? might help if you turn the final boss's minions against them, but...
proud storm
on one hand the legendary will help you clear mobs faster with chaos shield giving you more chances to proc charm due to how it works
on the other hand the 2,5k damage with greater aphro call can help you out against t&a and hades
especially since you cant use battie against hades
crimson geyser
i'm not complaining about rupture being ineffective for me, just seems redundant how it works now with poison also existing
though i guess jolted and doom are also pretty similar
having it scale with speed seemed like a cool idea, to have more strategic potential. it wouldn't have to scale linearly either, it could just have logarithmic scaling so that those enemies that jump across the entire screen wouldn't take unreasonable amounts of damage
of course then its description couldn't be quite as precise 🤷♀️
it could also just have a damage cap
but yeah lol idk, just wondering
there must have been some reason why they decided to change it
icy edge
Rupture is apsolutely devastating on shield, though
A solid hit will chunk half of most exalted
novel python
If I take the zeus poseidon duo and I get jolted for Zeus do I get both rupture and jolted with one knockback?
turbid needle
Yup.
novel python
That is... beautiful.
turbid needle
It's not bad.
novel python
I've already got the double knockback from poseidon so everyone is getting knocked around in styx, pretty fun to watch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/665315700239368201/unknown.png well, it did work quite nice
stray frigate
stats
hushed valve
ahh ok, so like higher rarities have better stats?
lethal plank
better stats and better scaling
hushed valve
thanks
versed ibex
Yeah. that wasn't clear to me at first--I thought abilities were just rated and some were classified as better than others
So the Eurydice gift of upgrading rarities made me think I'd lose my current boons in favor of something else
lethal plank
speaking of rarity is it just me hallucinating or is there both a normal and a legendary version of greater reflex
hushed valve
whats a greater reflex lol?
lethal plank
more dashes in a row
hushed valve
i havent seen the legendary verson but there is rarities
stray frigate
epic +3
anf heroic
Legendary is 1 skill for every god
2 for Hermes
and it's certain skill
lethal plank
must've not paid attention cuz i had a +4 one during a shield run
it was most definitely heroic
stray frigate
may be
there only 1 way to have it - Euro
cus noone swaps Hermes boon
i remeber i had attack speed
heroic
39 iirc
also u can abuse her gifts
exit and come back if u dont like result of 1st or 2nd gift
should be fixed imo
stray frigate
Euro buff is too strong
to miss opportunity
Imagine Hera bow with Epic Tipsy
and u have chance to upgrade it too Heroic lvl
and it gives u dash and attack for example
i need @granite lava
novel python
Alright Tisiphone just ate through 2 of my DDs because I forgot I maxed the attack speed thinghy on the pact
stray frigate
what heat?
stoic ginkgo
I should put some more work into modding some stuff too
lethal plank
unholy speeds
novel python
7
novel python
I just got used to being lazy af and her animations just became fast af
Only on bow lmao
I'm mediocre on anything else
lethal plank
like tisiphone is literally the worst possible fight for extra speed
novel python
Apart from Shield, I started liking that as well
lethal plank
shield and bow are my top 2
dunno which i'd rank higher because they're really close
novel python
Chiron's room clear is pretty bad though
Never take jury with that imo
Poseidon doesn't wanna give me his special this run
im sad
lethal plank
im just cranking up max enemy health because i like watching the bow shred everything
stray frigate
maxed mirror rarity
novel python
Yep
stray frigate
Dio trinket
lethal plank
chaos shield on jury summons is a whole nother dimension
stoic ginkgo
Did you do the speed gradually or all at once?
stray frigate
common skill
novel python
Gradually, but didn't fight tisi on this speed before
stoic ginkgo
Ah
novel python
And I'm that bad that I have a heroic Athena dash and I still took a beating
stoic ginkgo
You have speed at 5 with 7 heat? Interesting choice
novel python
and the others are hp and damage for enemies iirc
ill check when I finish / if I die
If I find patro I might be saved
lethal plank
my memory failures cause me to misplay too much
missed on a lucky tooth on my best bow run and died because of that
onyx flint
man i hate when theseus gets poseidon
novel python
I'm still tempted to go eury
onyx flint
ITS OBNOXIOUS
eternal stag
eurydice's only in asphodel
lethal plank
somehow athena bodies me during the theseus fight
literally every other god i don't care
but athena is the one that gets me everytime
stoic ginkgo
Thefirst I usually go for is Jury Summons and Extreme Measures
They are both pretty free heat
onyx flint
man i take only ares and artemis all game
get to the top level and theres one ares thing in shop and everything else is athena and zeus
now im suck with hera bow with ares cast and no duo
hushed valve
feelsbad
lethal plank
giant F
i rarely tunnel vision on one/two specific good boons unless it's artemis
she really likes to give you boons that synergize with eachother
hushed valve
yeah the artimis passive that gives 3 casts is pretty good
lethal plank
aye
novel python
@stoic ginkgo I only had Forced Overtime at 4 and causthenics maxed, with 1 point in Hard labor
I can't imagine how it must be with maxed Forced Overtime
stray frigate
bow is not good with tight deadline imo
stray frigate
what is forced overtime?
versed ibex
I have a single run under 30 minutes and I don't remember which weapon it was
stray frigate
ah that one
novel python
I got chaos shield to lvl 4, what's the max lvl of this?
stray frigate
5 lvl all weap max
stoic ginkgo
5
stray frigate
for all Zag aspects u need 5 blood
stoic ginkgo
But, yeah, Jury Summons is pretty free
stray frigate
for all 2nd u need 15
stray frigate
for 3rd - 16
stoic ginkgo
It still is
stray frigate
what is jury summons?
novel python
More enemies
keen shard
whats the hestia aspect tactic bros
novel python
So it'll be hard to clear multiple enemies at once
stoic ginkgo
@keen shard what do you mean?
novel python
That's still single target though @stray frigate iirc
stray frigate
lightning goes little aoe
novel python
Spread Fire with Aphro 👀
stoic ginkgo
Best hammer upgrades are Piercing Fire and Explosive Fire
High % boons are you friends
Especially Aphrodite
keen shard
K
stoic ginkgo
For dash your want Athena or Artemis
From Chaos, attack and dash attack boons are really good
stray frigate
stoic ginkgo
Basically your goal is to scale your reload shot as hard as possible
muted needle
I actually prefer the slowing special over explosive fire for hestia because it's a lot easier when they're slowed to 25% speed to actually hit with my big attack
But that's also because of my rubbish mouse accuracy so take that into consideration
stoic ginkgo
I tend to prioritize those two because they help with the fact that Hestia doesn't have great AoE
granite lava
@stray frigate yo my russian guy, whats up?
stray frigate
u told me about dev room when u can test everything
granite lava
ah y true forgot to make that file
stray frigate
i have some mechanic question
granite lava
stray frigate
lots actually
for exampple
imagine Aphro attack
it makes dmg
and makes weak
what first
procs weak
or attack
granite lava
both?
stray frigate
nah
granite lava
any boon is a buff with different modifiers
granite lava
I guess the buffs first, good example is the bomb buff aspect rail
stray frigate
so i wanna test it myself
granite lava
even without having the buff, if you stand in the area when it booms it deals buffed dmg
pallid sky
could test that with extra dmg to weak boon and math
stray frigate
yes but it's hard
pallid sky
sucks to be you
stray frigate
when u have sone other boons
cedar remnant
are duo boons just totally random or having more boons from respective gods increase the chance
cedar remnant
anybody messed around with hera bow
hearty owl
22 hours in 6 wins 5 steak im on fire
stray frigate
good bow
add Tipsy
and some good Artemis boons
also Zeus duo
and feel fabulous
cedar remnant
which zeus duo?
cedar remnant
ah yes
hearty owl
atremis and war dues is great the blade cast
cedar remnant
there was once I had hunting blades, vicious cycle, fully loaded and burst
basically all my dps came from the bladerifts
cedar remnant
imagine with epic rapid cast and greater recall
cedar remnant
i would do ex hydra but its such a chore -_- his heads have iffy hitboxes sometimes
ex hydra is a pain
cedar remnant
oof
stray frigate
all places in fire
freakin big head smashing ground
and waves waves WAVES EVERYWHERE
lost all 3 dd and died
grim adder
I've worked out why I don't like greatshields
it's not any one thing about them that's bad, it's the way they combine that's pretty nasty
grim adder
even shields alone, I was have a play with them
stray frigate
wow chaos... 71% + dash attack
grim adder
and the 360 AoE is pretty hard to avoid, there's almost no windup
stray frigate
for -3 every attack
@grim adder u just run into them
and when u r close - dash through
grim adder
yes, you have to dash through to get past the shield
stray frigate
just dash too and their combo fail
grim adder
between them and the flame wheels, elysium is pretty harsh to melee builds
stray frigate
u dash while all catwheels die into the walls
and take care about shield guys after
grim adder
again, they're not too difficult in isolation, but they're nasty when combined
grim adder
a group of armoured greatshields? 😄
stray frigate
y
grim adder
but yes, you have to burn a dash (or two) to get behind them, and they turn around rather quickly and, like I said, unless I'm missing something there's almost no wind-up on the spin attack
stray frigate
in my last run i had bunch of this guys with voidstones in gods trial
mild crag
they always dash before the spin attack afaik
grim adder
I'd like to see them have slower turn animations like the infernal bomb dudes
mild crag
its funny they have the same problem as the shield you can use has
they have the best defensive and offensive capability
grim adder
I still think the 100% invulnerable shield is bad too
mild crag
better ranged move than the brightbows and better melee attack than the brightswords
grim adder
I mean, maybe on, uh, what do you call the extra elite red dudes? maybe on them
stray frigate
strongbows*
grim adder
but for regular/elites, I'd have put them at 80/90% damage resist rather than 100% blocked
or does that mean some builds are just going to smash straight through them?
same for invulnerable boss phases, I'd like to see them be high damage resist rather than totally invulnerable. it's very frustrating to have a greater call go half to waste because of timing
and it interrupts the flow of most fights
stray frigate
most weap has piercing atack afaik
Beat Tomatos 76/14
lost 1 dd(((
and lost ahother one with Furies
Patrocles save me
kind fiber
@mild crag My guess is because they don't have a fast enough movement speed to move around stuff so they can aim their projectiles around walls
mild crag
it makes sense, but it seems unfair
stray frigate
Piercing Fire or Exploding Fire?
spiral linden
@grim adder I believe the immunity phases are a good counteraction to the fact you can literally manipulate what items you get. Unlike other rouges where you have to take the random item that dropped. You get both choices and chance increases in this.
grim adder
I... I don't follow the connection
you think that if you took out the item choices, it could be balanced by removing the immunity phases?
kind fiber
Yeah I don't see the connection
stray frigate
shield immunity is ok
it means u just cant spam and win this
u have to be smarter and faster
grim adder
what would be wrong with that, really?
stray frigate
u cant just press X to win
kind fiber
Phase immunity isn't a counter to "press x and win"
grim adder
given you can do that to... 95% of the other NPCs in the game
kind fiber
It just means that for a period of time, or until you find a new target, that pressing x doesn't do anything
stray frigate
wait do u still speak about Shielded guys?
kind fiber
No
stray frigate
bruh sorry
kind fiber
We are talking about bosses that have invulnerable periods at the transitions between phases
grim adder
hydra is the worst because of the way you have to clear the other heads
I mean, even the spawn in for the other heads is a bit funky
kind fiber
I mean, at least the hydra has a more proper reason to have invulnerability
grim adder
I get the purpose, I just don't like the way it stilts the flow
put it this way, if you didn't have it, how does that change the fight? well, it means you get to make a choice whether to play it safe and clear out threats, or risk some bullet hell trying to end the fight sooner. that seems like a reasonable choice to be offered, but the game forces you to deal with the heads
but it also solves some other problems, like the whole 'save your greater call for after an invul phase' because it's wasted if you don't
kind fiber
I'm not sure why they didn't go the route of saying all the heads are basically equivalent to one another
and whatever head is last is the new boss
grim adder
that wouldn't be the worst idea. the last head standing could take over, yeah
that's a little more accurate to the myth, I guess?
kind fiber
But i guess that would have implications for the extreme measures version of the fight
stray frigate
nah
kind fiber
I don't think it would be extreme
I think the only reason why the floating hydra head is better than the normal version of the encounter, is because its an invulnerable enemy that follows you around
The normal version of hydra heads have more abilities, so the floating heads are more limited
For whatever reason
grim adder
could always keep those other abilities
kind fiber
Yep
grim adder
8 heads spewing purple would be interesting
kind fiber
then I guess they would just be approximately the same as they are now but they are limited to being forced to stay in one area
making them more vulnerable to aoe in general, and more dangerous to melee combatants
grim adder
well, yeah, I was just thinking, if they're all floating, you can corral them together and use aoe to damage them much faster
some of the things that make it harder could end up making it easier
stray frigate
missed Patro(
crimson geyser
are there any erebus challenges that aren't just "don't get hit" yet?
mighty ermine
@crimson geyser they're all 100% don't get hit
unless you really want some onions
then get hit immediately
stray frigate
ok 1 dd 115hp wish me luck
damn
one thing i hate
with exploding fire
U JUST CANT SEE WHAT ARE UR ENEMIES DOING
cedar remnant
@stray frigate just finished a run with the dio/zeus hera combo u mentioned
pretty awesome
but i had no attack boon lmao soooo
stray frigate
who ever need it with hera?
only to proc any debuff
u can have Zeus dash and Aphro attack to have priviliged for example
hushed valve
Aye I won for my second time feelsbad that idk how to screenshot lol
serene nexus
What modifiers did you have on for it?
solid cairn
Mount Olympus would be a cool setting
stray frigate
i want to fight Tomatos too
solid cairn
Hypnos true final boss
stray frigate
both mb
crimson geyser
Dusa
crimson geyser
:o
solid cairn
oak owl
all 3 boss buffs
elite room buff
2 choices for boons
40% enemy and projectile speed
15% hp
25% damage
@serene nexus
in b4 we fight persephony
scenic pecan
Do I need to do something specific to meet the last Cthonic person? I think it might be Thanatos based on hearing the name mentioned somewhere here and not encountering him, but I've kicked Hades in the shins twice now and haven't met him
scenic pecan
Okay, so there isn't a specific task, it's just bad luck?
oak owl
I assume so
muted needle
I finally made it through a sword run without randomly dropping DD to being stupid
feels amazing man
Sword runs either die horribly for me or go swimmingly 😐
scenic pecan
I'm on 30 attempts total, 2 of which were successes.
oak owl
dam pbc
muted needle
I don't know if there's a trigger to meet Thanatos
It took me a long time if I remember correctly too
He was definitely the last I met
stray frigate
Nemezis?
muted needle
yeah
Also I didn't get the Orpheus contract until like 80 runs in haha
Just never saw it come up
I decided to record the last 10 mins or so of that last run because yesterday I am pretty sure I had a 5k Hestia crit (it straight up deleted like a third of the bosses health) but I have no proof haha
I remember seeing the baseline hp totals of the bosses somewhere but I couldn't find it yesterday
scenic pecan
Question regarding Keepsakes; If I trade one between 'biomes' to one of the Olympian Boon Keepsakes, does that not give me the immediate boon? Is it exclusively the first one of the entire escape?
muted needle
If you swap to say Ares at the start of Elysium, you will AT some point, be offered an Ares boon
Only in Tartarus is the boon necessarily the first to be offered
scenic pecan
Ah, gotcha.
stray frigate
@muted needle not always
muted needle
For example I generally start runs with the Chaos egg and then add either Aphrodite or Athena's keepsake for Asphodel before swapping to Skull Earing or Broken Speakpoint
stray frigate
1st can be Hammer
muted needle
God boon, I should clarify
stray frigate
had hammer once and right after - god boon or chaos
scenic pecan
Trying to level the keepsakes and fill out the boons of gods, noticed swapping didn't give me the god I was aiming for
muted needle
You could technically not hit your first keepsake'd god for quite a while if you get Daedelus off the bat, with a chaos gate and a blue room to start
And then only blue options out of chaos
You could be 4 rooms in before you'd be offered it in tartarus
But yeah by swapping to a different keepsake you should be offered at some point in that biome (styx aside) that god's boon
I don't know whether that can be in a shop
And not in a room
stray frigate
also god's trinket doesnt work for Chaos and Hermes
scenic pecan
Okay. Well, those aren't Boon trinkets
Not in the sense of the other Olympian's
They give different benefits.
muted needle
Yeah Hammers work in that you should get one in Tartarus or Asphodel, and then you can recieve one more in Elysium. You can have 1 Hermes boon in Tartarus, up to 2 in Asphodel or Elysium and a third will always be offered in Styx
Them being offered often supercedes the normal boon offerings
scenic pecan
I mostly was checking because when I'd go into Tartarus, if I picked a God keepsake, I had a 100% god boon rate of my keepsake, but when swapping off in Asphodel/Elysium seemed random
stray frigate
i prefer start with coin
muted needle
it's not quite random but the effect isn't necessarily immediate
stray frigate
and Zeus/Dio for rail
scenic pecan
So swapping in later biomes still works, just not as immediate as in Tartarus, typically.
stray frigate
it works the same way
muted needle
Until Styx yeah, where the boons offered are based exclusively on your current boons
stray frigate
as it work
muted needle
I feel pretty strongly that it's not quite the same mechanic in the later biomes
scenic pecan
There is no way to check your quests while in an escape, yeah?
muted needle
I often in farming runs swap to Poseidon later on and I have definitely gotten other god's boons offered first in the later biomes
I do always see him at some point
But it's often not until the back half
And it's not related to the Hermes or Daedalus spawn pattern
In Elysium in particular the first time I see the keepsake'd boon is often Asterius
cedar remnant
quest? you mean the fates thing?
scenic pecan
Yeah
muted needle
Fraid not - mind you when you're looking at boon or hammer choices you'll see a mark on them if they're needed for the prophecy
So you can't see all the incomplete items but you can see if one of the choices is on the list
There'll be a little scroll icon that you can mouse over
scenic pecan
Yeah. I was deciding which god boon to take. I am 90% certain I need just 1 boon from Zeus and Aphrodite, but they staunchly refuse to give them up.
stray frigate
@scenic pecan Leg?
scenic pecan
No clue which one it is based on rarity.
stray frigate
@cedar remnant Dash, riposte and that's all
scenic pecan
I think Aphro's was 'Unhealthy Fixation'
stray frigate
yup it's leg