h1-builds-and-combat

[granite finch]

The downside is vision

U can't see what's in it

[karmic coyote]

oh so it's just me confused the effect

[mild crag]

you get hit by the same stun thing the enemies do clearly

cept irl

[karmic coyote]

i can rarely remember the name of Dio/Zeus duo boon, scintillating feast

[mild crag]

ah thats it

i forgot it too

[full flame]

@mild crag well i'll be, merciful end does add on the 60 damage

[onyx flint]

finally got past t&a for the first time with hera bow and artemis/ares duo :)

[mild crag]

@full flame right? Doesn't seem fair lol

@onyx flint nice work

[karmic coyote]

best combination for hera bow right there

[obtuse ravine]

deliver the meat grinder

[wooden lodge]

someone mentioned a doom build involving the athena duo

I tried it

I failed

I could not get Athena more than once

but I also succeeded

I somehow ended up with an Ares and goddess of love power build????? https://i.imgur.com/FH3t3Va.png

[stuck bough]

Ares + Aphro build is fairly good

[frosty pier]

That's roguelikes for you

[granite finch]

Be me with rail I'll try to focus on specials
End result here's my shotgun with homing arrows...

[zinc oasis]

Just loose to Hades P2. He have only 10% HP left.
I'm getting closer and closer, gonna down that hell mode

It's hard to choose between 20% of rare boons or a third Death Defiance. What will you choose guys?

[glad mica]

why is my hearts with ||thanatos|| locked

[wooden lodge]

turns out doom with the shield powershot is awesome

[frosty pier]

I would say a DD. 20% is nice, but it's still a chance.

[wooden lodge]

80 base damage shot which pierces enemies, inflicts doom

[granite finch]

20% is helpful

[frosty pier]

Yes, but it's not as solid as DD. Cuz it's always there for you.

[compact niche]

@glad mica You need to do something before you can continue to raise affection

[glad mica]

what do i need to do?

[turbid needle]

Depends on the character.

[livid pilot]

so i noticed that every run is pre-seeded.

as in if you quit the game (return to main menu from pause menu) and resume you start from the begining and its always the same results on rooms/boons/items.

kinda cheesy to switch up weapons and mods as you can see what build to start right away.

[mild crag]

sure is, but the rest of the run after the first room is rng unless you know how to manipulate it

[livid pilot]

still seeded ^

i tested it. as long as you go through the same rooms in the same order you get the same outcomes

[mild crag]

well if you didnt do anything to manipulate it then it'll be the same

[livid pilot]

now i wanna find out what exactly changes outcomes wether or not it be time, health, how much money you have. etc.

[mild crag]

firing casts and breaking pillars are two of em

its probably anything that uses a random number

[prisma zephyr]

bruh i actually just got splitting bolt in tartarus

ez run

[livid pilot]

POG

[mild crag]

brother

[keen shard]

Any spear squadders here

Only seeing rail nerds

[teal laurel]

So i watched a weapon and aspect tier list the Tier list looks like this

S tier: Achilles Spear, Chaos Shield, Chiron Bow, Hera Bow, Eris Rail
A tier: Nemesis Sword, Zagreus Shield, Zagreus Bow
B tier: Poseidon Sword, Zeus Shield, Zagreus Rail, Hestia Rail
C tier: Zagreus Spear
D tier: Zagreus Sword, Hades Spear

do you guys agree or disagree with some of these placements and any comments about these?

I certainly think that Hades Spear is placed too low and should be B- C tier

[fallen rover]

Putting poseidon sword so low is weird

Depends on what the list is aimed at aswell can change stuff

If it's for 32 heat it changes stuff compared to 0 heat

[teal laurel]

oh yeah this is for higher heats

deffo cause in low heats you can make anything work

so tier lists become less of an issue lower heats
but power balance becomes much more obvious on higher ones

[fallen rover]

I agree Achilles spear and chaos shield are the top dogs

I don't see how hera bow is better than poseidon sword, unless you are using festive fog

[teal laurel]

Hera Bow has more damage than pos sword and has a better foundation than pos sword

cause pos sword has the sword part tied with it

sword is not really top tier material unlike shield
which even without aspects is like one of the best weapons

[fallen rover]

Poseidon sword and hera bow both favors cast builds, while hera bows lowers stuck time, sword has 50%cast dmg and can unstuck at will

So poseidon sword is a much better cast build enabler

Besides festive fog that is

[teal laurel]

oh yeah

Hera has more damage doe

[fallen rover]

Not on casts

[teal laurel]

overall

I do agree poseidon being able to un stuck is much more helpful on bosses

[fallen rover]

True, but you don't pick hera bow to go a normal shoot build

[teal laurel]

you pick hera build for a high burst damage and one shot build

[fallen rover]

You pick hera for a cast build, which poseidon both out dpses and can reset faster

I guess hera festive fog is comparable to poseidon stuck cast builds

[teal laurel]

from a purely cast build perspective i will agree

[fallen rover]

They should not be 2 tiers apart

[teal laurel]

but if you realize that hera enables alot of damage while also allowing cast builds

i do agree

I dont agree
cause sword state right now is really bad

having bonus cast damage helps Agree but against mobs its still hard

and if you can one shot normal enemies unstucking becomes less of an issue

[fallen rover]

True, sword needs something. But Hera is IMO the worst bow aspect

Zag is much better for pure shoot, and chiron melts with special

[teal laurel]

nah

IMO Chiron is worse than Hera cause Chiron has good Solo damage but you need to work hard for mobs

which can be a run ender on higher heats

[fallen rover]

It's still high tier due to bow being good

[teal laurel]

yeah

Chiron would stil lbe better than Sword

[fallen rover]

But I would rank them, Chiron>zag>hera

[teal laurel]

the only reason nemesis Sword is relatively high is because of the dummy crit chance it gets

I do think zaggy is lowest bow but that's just me not liking RNG Crits

[fallen rover]

Also, depending on how you classify tiers, I think Achilles spear and chaos shield is the only tier 1 weapons

Since they are so much better than the 3rd weapon

[teal laurel]

ahh yeah

[fallen rover]

They have super strong effects, and are super versatile

[teal laurel]

i do think chaos and achilles spear is S+ tier

i hate both those weapons doe idk why

[fallen rover]

Like you can almost build anything with them at its decent

[teal laurel]

unless its multi skewer achilles build

cause it becomes rolling the dice if you land on something dumb

its funny doe

[fallen rover]

Yeah you don't pick multi skewer on Achilles :)

[teal laurel]

I do cause iwas just Darkness grinding and it was funny

[fallen rover]

I feel chaos shield is even better due to ease of use aswell

[teal laurel]

but you dont

yeah chaos shield doesnt change how you play shield

[fallen rover]

Achilles need some gameplay loop changes

[teal laurel]

i stil lfeel bad about spear and sword

[fallen rover]

To be optimal

[wispy wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/230471339301928961/664754328350752788/Spear.png
I wasn't too fond of spear originally, but after messing with Achilles - Cast I've had a lot of fun

[teal laurel]

achilles is the best cast build

[wispy wagon]

Ignore the Shawl, I was just leveling trinkets

[keen shard]

I like zag spear aspect

And have it maxed

But i mainly so the room.clear build

With posiden+zeus

[fallen rover]

Zag spear with multi skewer is so much fun

[obtuse ravine]

^^^

[keen shard]

Yeh

Multi+posiden zeus

Ur killing everything off screen

[obtuse ravine]

I beef up the spear with Aphrodite

[keen shard]

Once u get the knock bck ur guuchi

[obtuse ravine]

haven't had the poseidon bouncy spear combo but I'll try it

[light aspen]

does anyone know how to use aegis zeus aspect?

[obtuse ravine]

^^^

this idk how to play with it. DO I leave it and bait them to run into it? or push them into it

[keen shard]

U call it bck and let it chase after u

[obtuse ravine]

ahhh

[fallen rover]

But yeah, looking forward to the next patch to see what changes we get

Hopefully some weapon balance, and a new Olympian will spice things up

[keen shard]

Nerf sheild watch salt

[onyx flint]

how do i get more blood?

[teal laurel]

ah yeah

is funny

[keen shard]

Did u get the 10 for clearing with every weapon?

Nuka

[teal laurel]

yes

[onyx flint]

i've cleared megara with every weapon but I've only cleared T&A with bow and sword so far (no hades kills)

[livid pilot]

@onyx flint kill hades and then the rewards reset for next heat ^

2 titan blood every new heat level

[deep bluff]

hey is alecto supposed to be hard to see when she changes the screen color

or is it just for atmosphere

[frosty pier]

Well, she is going into rage mode...

[deep bluff]

thing is i'm color blind and i legit can't see her amidst the action

as soon as she does that she's invisible to me

[obtuse ravine]

oh no

[frosty pier]

Oh, crap.

[obtuse ravine]

might want to put that in feedback so the team can address it

[deep bluff]

well i can't say anything in feedback

but aside from that is it just me or it's impossible to go through elysium safely using the sword lol

[obtuse ravine]

you need the early access rank, check the ranks in bot-command

[frosty pier]

You better check the pinned messages in feedback channel first

[obtuse ravine]

i find sword a bit challenging, I really just survive off of dash attacks with the sword

ah that too

[granite vine]

I survive off dash attacks until I die from running into melee too much

[cedar remnant]

@obtuse ravine I felt that sword was tough too, until I used the nemesis aspect and had dual hit dash attack upgrade + crit damage, it pretty much melted everything whilst evading attacks. Y'know the large chariot? deleted in one dash attack

[obtuse ravine]

basically yeah

I wait for them to attack and dodge then counter

[strange skiff]

I'm sitting here with 17 ambrosias and haven't once been prompted to give them to anyone. Am I just giving nectars to the wrong NPCs for that, or am I completely missing something?

[cedar remnant]

@strange skiff if i'm correct you can only give ambrosias to specific NPCs whom offers you a companion once you maxed out their relationship, these are: Meg, Sisyphius, Skelly and thanatos for now

[teal laurel]

sword is ass

compared to other weapons i just memed with a bow and i just no brained hades

with Hera Bladerift fully buffed and Artemis and ares buff

[cedar remnant]

@teal laurel gasp and you call yourself a sword main?! jokes aside, I feel you

[obtuse ravine]

bladerift and artemis ares trivialize everything hahaha

especially with vicious cycle

[cedar remnant]

hell yeah

there was a run which I was lucky enough to keep running into Ares so I could fully pimp out bladerift

add a little greater recall and rapid cast? mmm

[teal laurel]

@cedar remnant i am that doesnt make me delusional about sword's strengths

also just fish for ares aretemis

[keen shard]

Tbh debating what to max next aretemis spear.. or chaos sheild

[teal laurel]

artemis spear??

[frosty pier]

Achilles's maybe?

[keen shard]

Yeh achlies

W.e

Both start with a

[cedar remnant]

hades mentioned Zagreus would not have been able to make it if not for his relatives, the gods. which makes me wonder, is it possible to reach hades without actually picking up any boon?

[karmic coyote]

nope you have to pick a boon at some point

[azure bone]

Technically maybe not with rerolls

Have to start hammer, then reroll all boons into hearts and gold

If you dont cound chaos boons, since technically no one knows chaos blesses him.

Can skip a few boons that way to

[fallow niche]

@keen shard Chaos shield before it gets nerfed

👌

its good

[teal laurel]

time to meme with a blitz shield merciful end vengeance build

oh not merciful end but zues ares duo

what's the odds of getting two duos ??

[fallow niche]

Not low I don't think? I sometimes get the option to get two every now and then

[frosty pier]

Well, if you save up for a StyxMart

[fallow niche]

At the end I bought two boons at Charon before Hades fight and it gave me two different ones back to back

[teal laurel]

so save money and then mostly just get 3 gods?

[fallow niche]

I think?

Probably the most reliable way to do it

[obtuse ravine]

hahha one time I got 3 Duos. Artemis/Athena, Athena/Aphro, Aphro/Artemis

[fallow niche]

What I want to know is how I reliably get athena's busted dome

that thing is bonkers

[teal laurel]

athena cast?

or the protection one legendary

[fallow niche]

protection yeah

[teal laurel]

you need brilliant riposte

[fallow niche]

RIP

It totally does more than it says

[teal laurel]

which requires a pre existing deflect move

[obtuse ravine]

ahhaha legendary life rng rip

[teal laurel]

I keep getting Legendaries

[fallow niche]

Hermes keeps trying to shove his legendary stuff up my butt but never anyone else 😭

[teal laurel]

that isnt artemis

[grand smelt]

I don't think it's possible to not get a boon on Elite/Miniboss forced rooms. You'd have to get Erebus at exactly the right times to bypass that.

[obtuse ravine]

I got Athena Legendary last moment at Styx and I was holding the Spear keepsake so I had a lot of protections haha

[fallow niche]

I wish the wiki had more info

I have no clue what the exact stats are on pretty much anything

[pastel jolt]

the wiki is maintained by users, theoretically

[fallow niche]

The problem is there is no in-game details of the skills for us to put on the wiki

[teal laurel]

i keep getting poseidon zeus ones

[pastel jolt]

i say theoretically because most of the boon data comes from me, and i haven’t had the time/motivation to update it in a while

[teal laurel]

poseidon zeus leg and their duo

[fallow niche]

Divine Protection's wording makes it seem like it blocks just one thing, but I've had it block a ton of stuff before going away

[pastel jolt]

when you say “details of the skills” what do you mean

[teal laurel]

one move priv status

hades wikia gamepedia .com something something

also do you think that asphodel is too big for the type of enemies it has?

which just stays the hell away and throw out projectiles

[obtuse ravine]

for me it kinda makes sense, to add to the danger of traversing the lava

[fallow niche]

I mean how long deflection lasts, what "immediately activate Doom effects" exactly constitutes, does Impending Doom supercede Merciful End or not, what does Curse of Longing even do exactly, what's the range of stuff like Nasty Dash and similar boons respectively, what's the range on Peer Pressure, etc etc etc etc @pastel jolt

I had to find out pretty much all of these on my own

Via testing

[pastel jolt]

if it was smaller the witches would be unbearable to fight

[obtuse ravine]

oh god the spread balls

[teal laurel]

yeah i understand I just dont like the just holes of Lava

[fallow niche]

you mean the ones in elysium? @obtuse ravine

[teal laurel]

if it was like elysium then i would beg fine

[pastel jolt]

i like asphodel being spread out because it gives it a different feel to the other biomes

[fallow niche]

^

All the tilesets are very unique to each other

I like them a lot

Asphodel is definitely real big for looking around post-fight for chests and golden urns though

[pastel jolt]

you go from the confined, strongly geometric chambers of tartarus, to the open lava-flooded islands of asphodel, to the slightly smaller more overgrown-ruins-and-misty-chasms rooms in elysium, and then into the tight hallways of styx

all four biomes feel different because of their layouts

[granite vine]

I had always assumed Merciful End only reduced the wait for your Doom that was already on the enemies

[fallow niche]

I mean one problem with that theory is that it has a stat called "Duo combo damage: 90" on it

[obtuse ravine]

I love the biomes tbh

[fallow niche]

Really obfuscates things

[obtuse ravine]

super love the level designs

[teal laurel]

yeah i agree i just find it annoying sometimes especially when its hades chest when something just away and i need to scour the whole floor just to find it

[fallow niche]

My only problem with asphodel

[teal laurel]

either that or you finish off a cluster of enemies on one side and the other is on the other side just doing their own stuff

like sure it happens in Elysium or tartarus as well but its not as notorious or frequent as asphodel

[fallow niche]

Or a bunch of dudes jumping across the map and never attacking you

Every single time you get close

[teal laurel]

if enemies would rather chase you down and be aggro rather than run away and throw projectiles it would be better

like i understand the need for variety but i always want to neck someone when its just spreaders and all are going away from me in all directions

[bold bear]

How do you use the chaos shield well? I just tried it out once and I really don't enjoy the feel of it

[keen shard]

Shotgum

Ares

[bold bear]

I think I'll go with another weapon to spend my blood on for now

[teal laurel]

on trying to fish for merciful end whats the best way to start

athena?

[mild crag]

doesn't matter, one doom and one deflect is all you need

i might start ares tho

[scarlet mango]

I've noticed that the Spread Fire daed for the Adamant Rail usually shoots in bursts of two, and right after you dash, both shots fire pretty much simultaneously, does anyone know if it's on purpose?

[bold bear]

I'd start with the moneybags

Try to get either athena or ares in the first stage

Then get the keepsake for the other next stage

[mild crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270911855306866689/664815464286912525/unknown.png

[bold bear]

Just get the aphrodite boon

[mild crag]

which one

[bold bear]

The +X% healing

[mild crag]

maybe you're thinking of life affirmation

that increase max hp gains

[frosty pier]

good luck picking something specific with no choice, but yeah.

[astral fjord]

Heroic blight strike too 🤔

No choice makes me sad

[mild crag]

if i had the choice i would've taken premium vintage actually

[astral fjord]

True, premium vintage is great at high heat

Anything that gives max hp is great for high heat

I've never valued hp before I tried a 32 heat run

I was like, pfff why do I want hp if I can instead get a 'insert subpar boon'

[mild crag]

who do i gotta pay so it never offers me the rocket hammer again

[astral fjord]

U dont like it?

Its pretty dope

[pallid sky]

ask devs real nicely for the source and comment it out :)

[mild crag]

its extremely difficult to activate eris in asphodel

[astral fjord]

Ah thats true

Just look for a wall

And blast thyself

But i guess walls are harder to find in asphodel

[mild crag]

its just the pillar things there's not really much around the edges but death juice

[astral fjord]

Just blast an enemy

Like in melee

[karmic coyote]

shoot people at point blank range is the superior way to use gun

[pallid sky]

im a fan of triple bombs myself

just let autoaim play the game and dash a lot lmao

[astral fjord]

I got triple bombs on eris once with artemis flourish

[mild crag]

triplebomb is good

[astral fjord]

It was like 1.4k crits

[mild crag]

im sorta fishing for like

explosive shot maybe

inescapable blast would be really nice too

[astral fjord]

What strike did you have

[mild crag]

zeus

[astral fjord]

Is inescapable blast good?

[mild crag]

very

[astral fjord]

I never had a good experience with it

[mild crag]

stops flamewheels in their tracks

[astral fjord]

Ah thats true huh

Flamewheels are such bs :(

[mild crag]

it also seems to work on asterius

[astral fjord]

Especially at high heat they hit for like 20 a piece

Thats fun

[astral fjord]

does hestia work with spreadfire?

[wooden lodge]

Heh I want to give Meg some nectar

[frosty pier]

Hestia overrides spread fire for 1 shot.

[astral fjord]

aw

piercing shot it is i guess

[mild crag]

Piercing shot is great for hestia good choice

[wooden lodge]

I really underestimated the piercing shot at first

But you can't argue with 80 base damage

And it pierces everything in its path

[untold widget]

its great in elysium

[bold bear]

And helps against shields, who are otherwise real annoying

Though I'll admit

Hestia on high heat just sounds painful

Usually the 2 damageless hits aren't too big a deal

[astral fjord]

yeah hestia gets really bad on high heat

I just crit for 3.3k

lmao

hide breaker is fun

[teal laurel]

huh

Chiron Bow kinda hella aight

one attack into special is a priviledged status/ 5 stack poison

[astral fjord]

does hestia get affected by dash attack bonus?

[stoic ginkgo]

@astral fjord yes, Hestia is affected by dash attack damage buffs

[astral fjord]

ooh ye

lets see how much i crit by now

[keen shard]

Defult spear gang

[astral fjord]

i messed up and got festive fog tho feelsbad

[teal laurel]

man why do i feel that

[stoic ginkgo]

One of my runs last night I was critting for 3.1k

[astral fjord]

so now i dont get the +50% damage bonus from lodging my bloodstones

[teal laurel]

playing other weapons that isnt sword allows me to use -30% less braincells

[astral fjord]

i crit earlier for 3.3 k yahoo

it can only happen against armor tho

normal crits were only 1.5k

[stoic ginkgo]

This was on Hades

[astral fjord]

damn lucky

[stoic ginkgo]

Deleted him

[astral fjord]

only got a single chaos boon :(

had egg equipped the whole run too

[keen shard]

Egg dosent increase chances

Btw

[stoic ginkgo]

^

[pallid dagger]

@ Hermes wya when i'm holding this railgun

[bold bear]

Oooof

[keen shard]

Any chad spear lovers?

[astral fjord]

aight when i got the dash attack right which is very hard it crits for 2k damage yahoo

[bold bear]

https://gyazo.com/4e94415da47970c8dc29a690d2910313
I have Artemis' double cast

And hermes fast cast

Should I switch? It's either that or mark

[stoic ginkgo]

I saw the mentioning of hammer upgrades for Hestia Aspect, it is a shame there are only two that are actually really good

[bold bear]

Triple bomb is still good

[astral fjord]

switch

wait what weapon are u using

[bold bear]

Railgun

Currently am using artemis special + cast

Barely touch my attack

[pallid dagger]

yeah i got a hermes boon that basically turned the railgun into an smg
that + infinite ammo from the daedalus hammer was great. too bad i only had 8 health left and the next fight was the hydra

[bold bear]

I think I'll keep athena for now

[teal laurel]

what other stuff is fun with Hera aspect?

[bold bear]

It gives me AoE damage and the duo boon would give me a better chance to crit

Ohhh, yeah

Very happy with my weapon as-is

And an athena/artemis duo room

[teal laurel]

okay see yall in a month
causei m burned out of this game now again

[bold bear]

haha, been there

Not with this game yet, but I know how it is

[teal laurel]

i already did that

and now i maxed 3 weapons

nem zag sword

and chiron bow

probably next stuff to meme is Zag bow

[bold bear]

Ohh gooood

I deal so much damage

Epic cast, artemis dual cast, hermes fast cast, and eris aspect bonus damage

[pallid dagger]

anybody know if firing rate upgrades stack?

[bold bear]

They should

[pallid dagger]

👀

[stoic ginkgo]

I hope they make the spear a good weapon in the future

[granite vine]

why do you want them to nerf spear?

[keen shard]

Spears fine

[stoic ginkgo]

I feel like every other weapon is significantly better than spear

[sand glade]

Not nerf, buff. I personally wouldn't mind my attacks being like Hades when he wears the spear.

A three or four-hit combo.

[teal laurel]

@stoic ginkgo wrong sword exists

but i do agree sword and spear kinda eh

[keen shard]

Im using max lvl defult spear

Room clear build

[teal laurel]

the best spear build is literally the build where you just dont spear

and just throw magic

[astral fjord]

hmm, bow is def the weakest weapon imo

[stoic ginkgo]

I would much rather use Nemesis Aspect over spear

[granite vine]

you've never played explosive doom spear huh

[keen shard]

Go chain throw +posiden

[granite vine]

or lightning flurry spear

[keen shard]

Ur clearing rooms iff screeen

Off*

[teal laurel]

Nemesis aspect is decent ill give you that

[granite vine]

or support fire crit recall spear

[teal laurel]

but id rather play achilles aspect cast run

than any sword

build

[astral fjord]

purely power ranking wise and how consistent they are, between runs and assuming mild to high heat.

1. Shield
2. Rail
3. Sword
4. Spear
5. Bow

Just my opinion tho

[keen shard]

Sword is bottom of list imo

[sand glade]

I'm being serious. How can Zag wield the aspect of his own Father but when he attacks, it's poking the enemy and not like how his Father attacks in two sweeps and a full circle swipe? I hardly use the spin either unless it's like desperate AoE damage

[astral fjord]

What makes bow or spear better than sword?

[granite vine]

mine goes Shield, Spear, Bow, Rail, Sword

What makes bow or spear better than sword?
range

[teal laurel]

Bow has range

and the damage

[sand glade]

Rail, I think, was the first run I had my first win.

[teal laurel]

Bow will out damage the sword and spear most of the time

[sand glade]

I seem to do better with ranged weapons

[teal laurel]

while having the range advaantage

[astral fjord]

bow lacks a lot of room clearing power

[keen shard]

I get veey bored with rail

[astral fjord]

just with its base kit

[granite vine]

you can put anything on your special and turn it into the best room clear on all the weapons

[astral fjord]

u need good boons with the bow to be able to clear rooms quick and without taking too much damage

[teal laurel]

properly built bow can clear rooms either by one shotting foos with power shots

you need good boons with sword

to make it do anything

damage

boons

room clear? boons

[sand glade]

in one playthrough, I got the one hammer upgrade that allowed me to use special three times. It helped with the Soul Catcher miniboss

[keen shard]

Plus all of sword buikds require u to like

Get somewhat close

[teal laurel]

^^

[astral fjord]

thats true for half of the weapons tho

[granite vine]

literally the worst thing to do in the whole game - get near the enemy

[teal laurel]

sword is inherently unsafe
at least with bow if you cant clear rooms quick you can at least snipe off from a safe disstance

[astral fjord]

sword, spear and shield all get into melee

[teal laurel]

Shield has Bullrush

[astral fjord]

sometimes even rail(eris)'

[keen shard]

Spears git lot long ass range

[granite vine]

shield has block, spear is long, rail has range

[sand glade]

I once got the Charge Bull upgrade (mostly to clear the Fated Choices thing) and that was... a choice.

[teal laurel]

Rail has range spear has a ranged option

[sand glade]

I still won the run

[granite vine]

sword is in your face and, more importantly, within striking distance of enemies

[sand glade]

But that was a CHOICE

[dusky coral]

Weird. For me bow and sword are towards the top of the list.

[teal laurel]

Weapon tier list without aspect is the following

Shield
Bow
Rail
Spear
Sword

[astral fjord]

shield is undisputed best weapon in the game for and i think most people

[stoic ginkgo]

Shield is by far the best weapon

[sand glade]

I feel like Poseidon aspect sword with Poseidon attack boon would be a literal blast.

[pallid sky]

i like sword except the damage hammer upgrade thing has bad arc

[teal laurel]

spear is higher than the sword due to reach and having a better base kit

[stoic crest]

what makes shield the best weapon? blocking literally everything?

[stoic ginkgo]

And rail is a pretty solid second best

[cedar remnant]

does %attack affect dash attack damage? feels like it does since crit does affect both

[astral fjord]

i dont think bow is better than rail, i can see the argument against sword or spear but def not rail

[sand glade]

Attack and Dash Attack are two different stats I think. Unless you get Pressure Points

THEN both do Crit

[teal laurel]

that spear achilles is literally one of the best cast damage in the game

[astral fjord]

attack boons affect dash attack

[granite vine]

rail is just garbage without boosts

[teal laurel]

the difference between rail and Bow is pretty okay tbh

[cedar remnant]

im using nemesis and it affects dash attacks too

[teal laurel]

i mean pretty minimal

imo

[sand glade]

The boons made me think Attack and Dash were two different stats

[teal laurel]

i just put bow higher because i think chiron aspect and hera aspects are two of the better aspects in the game

[astral fjord]

yeah achilles spear can be the best cast damage aspect but its not as consistent as poseidon

[teal laurel]

while the rail only has one god aspect

which is eris

[granite vine]

Dash is a different thing, but a Dash Attack is a special kind of Attack that happens after you Dash

[stoic ginkgo]

Hestia and Eris aspect are both really good

[teal laurel]

consistency only matter in boss fights

huh i dont find hestia as good as eris

[astral fjord]

I mean consistent as the difference between one run and another

[teal laurel]

its probably A B tier and Eris S tier

[astral fjord]

Not dps

[teal laurel]

I find Achilles to be better in the long run

[sand glade]

Hestia is the one where you reload and get the first shot with more damage? Because that was kinda fun, especially since I could still reload with infinite bullets

[teal laurel]

its just really weird early on

you kinda have a learning curve

[stoic ginkgo]

Eris aspect's power comes from it's flexibility

[granite vine]

I died way too soon to learn anything about Achilles

didn't help that there were flame wheels in all three of my first Elysium rooms and I was moving in from special spam spear runs

[sand glade]

Flame Wheels are cute. For a moement, I was bout to go "they aren't called that" and the I glanced at Codex

and they are, indeed, called that

[astral fjord]

poseidon actually scales better as a cast weapon than achilles

since you get straight up dps boosts for the support artemis boons

and also poseidon uses flurry cast much better

[teal laurel]

yeah i do agree with that its just a shame that the poseidon aspect is tied to the worst weapon in the game

you still need to play shotgun with it

somewhat

[granite vine]

I think it'd be too strong on any other

[teal laurel]

yeah

[astral fjord]

eh not really?

if you want to play safe with poseidon just dash special in

[teal laurel]

still not safe enough

the range is not that good

[granite vine]

it's a lot safer with literally any other weapon

so sword is the only weapon it could really go on

[teal laurel]

TBH id rank poseidon higher as a cast weapon than achilles IF and Only IF they Buff sword

[astral fjord]

i dont see why achilles is safer

[teal laurel]

you just bull rush

and cast

one more mobility option

you dont need to hit a really bad special attack

to get its effect

[astral fjord]

you're still retrieving your cast often in melee range to other enemies

[granite vine]

and you can run right out again, well out of range

[astral fjord]

sword special has knockback

[granite vine]

plus you just start with more range

[teal laurel]

that doesnt matter doe if you just one shot enemies with a single barrage

and if you dont

spear still has good range to wait out casts

[astral fjord]

which means that its usually safe unless the enemy has armor or your just lunging straight to an enemy in the middle of its attack

and the enemy having your cast usually means u took down their armor already if they had one

[teal laurel]

sword special doesnt have THAT much Knockback like yeah it does but its not that big

that and times when you need to deal with armored enemies

means there are more than one

sure you can bop one enemy with it but

you still have 4 more chumps

[astral fjord]

there is only one single target cast in the game

so i dont see why you cant just take care of a mob of armored enemies

well 2 i guess but why would anyone in their right mind use athena cast for a cast build

lightning phalanx, i guess? means its not single target anymore

[teal laurel]

athena cast is good

because of the damage

its one of the higher base damage casts

[astral fjord]

aphrodite cast has more damage

[granite vine]

and the range of the sword
makes sense

[teal laurel]

yeah aphordite/ pos combo is imo one of the better ones

then just meme with Aphro/ artemis build

cause exit wounds is VERY good with artemis

and more blood stones

[astral fjord]

exit wounds makes poseidon like strictly better than achilles

[teal laurel]

yeah

[stoic crest]

is there any way to manipulate what chambers you'll find in each biome?

I could really use patroclus in my playthrough right now 😰

[teal laurel]

manipulate in what way?

[astral fjord]

nope

you cant reroll npc rooms in

just pray that big daddy patroclus gives you 3 DDs

[stoic crest]

but is there some sort of logic to the rooms or is it fully random each time?

[teal laurel]

mostly random

[astral fjord]

i think every 4 rooms there's a mini boss

or an event like thanatos or hades survival room

anyways, I can see arguments to either achilles or poseidon being better and it might mostly come down to preference

but hera is out of the equation imo

[teal laurel]

aHera is not a cast build

Hera is a burst Build

Lmfao

[astral fjord]

eris might make a better cast build than hera

[teal laurel]

Hera a good aspect but you aint telling me that's cast build

[astral fjord]

well, it shortens lodge time so

it counts

[teal laurel]

yeah

[frail gull]

probably my most high roll run ever, 3 duo boons and a legendary https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/353619763429376000/664860921818120192/unknown.png

[teal laurel]

Poseidon is better if viewed strictly as a cast build
but achilles is better in terms of overall as a cast build or potential builds and or its flexibility

cause poseidon you're locked on being cast buildy at least achilles has a fallback

[astral fjord]

achilles is overall a better aspect i can agree

[teal laurel]

yeah

[astral fjord]

since the bonus damage doesnt just apply to cast

also its the best hunting blades user in the game

which is the single most broken boon

[stoic ginkgo]

Even though it's not the best, I love Hestia more than anything else. It's not even close

[teal laurel]

yeah just get hunting blades

and max out blade rift shenanigans

and if you can get the artemis legendary

then yey

[astral fjord]

if we're talking high heat hestia struggles a lot, same with bow i feel like

[stoic ginkgo]

Hunting blades is the probably the best duo

[teal laurel]

Chiron Deffo struggles

I think Hera Can

[stoic ginkgo]

And it's super busted with Ares legenday

[teal laurel]

depends on how you build it

Hera Dion Zeus can work it

cause festive fog into lightning

[astral fjord]

the kit that the bow has is just not very good for high heat in my experience

[teal laurel]

yeah

i can see

[astral fjord]

in high heat i think weapons with their bread and butter combo on a low cd reign supreme

[stoic ginkgo]

Speaking of high heat, I kind of wish you couldn't see the options you don't get to pick

[teal laurel]

hera can work on a technicality
but then festive fog zeus dio duo and hera is universally a broken build

so lmao

tbh i thin kthe only weapon that can really work it on high heat without problems is Shield

cause lmao

[astral fjord]

eris, and chaos are super good

[teal laurel]

Sword has problems of it being so stubby and weak damage

Spear can work it depending on what you want to focus

hades aspect isk inda Iffy

because

Spin attack

[astral fjord]

spin attack in high heat pft

what kind of mad man

just stand still for 2 seconds

im sure nothing bad would happpen

[teal laurel]

I play Multi Skewer poseidon flourished Achilles aspect

:^3

[astral fjord]

its what separates shield from spear

[teal laurel]

literally the only bad build with achilles aspect

i did it cause i was darkness farming

[astral fjord]

bull rush is safe spin attack isnt

[teal laurel]

and i was bored and wanted to play the russian roulette

yeah

what peeves me is that spin attack has a tiers of charges

just get rid of it IMO

[astral fjord]

i think its fine, its just not safe

like even if they shortened the charge time?

even with quick spin

it still hard to pull off

[stoic ginkgo]

Anyone have any tips for making rail special not feel super clunky on controller?

[teal laurel]

no i just mean get rid of the tiers of charge

i like the concept of spin attack

i just think

it needs more reward for how risky it is

[astral fjord]

so only the massive spin?

the big spin i mean?

[teal laurel]

or probably just somewhere in the middle between the two

or you can do tier 1 range but max charge damage

[astral fjord]

eh, you would still be standing still for a good second

[teal laurel]

yeah but at least you get more reward if you pull it off

[astral fjord]

so unless theres no one around you(whats the point) its still a bad move

[teal laurel]

i understand that but then i dont want a bull rush 2.0

[astral fjord]

i guess but it still wont be even half as consistently good as bull rush

[teal laurel]

i do appreciate the risk it has i just feel that the risks of doing it aren't worth it

imo

[astral fjord]

thats fair i guess

[teal laurel]

by having higher rewards you can make the risk worth it

[astral fjord]

im just speaking objectively in high heat

[teal laurel]

yeah i understand

but then i hate shield because of how dumb it is

its super safe and versatile While still doing super high damage

[astral fjord]

also the most mobile weapon in the game

[teal laurel]

yaeh

[astral fjord]

well, in competition with achilles i guess

but i prefer the animation of bull rush over raging rush

[teal laurel]

best utility defense mobility and versatile while still doing damage

[astral fjord]

it also uses all the boons well

[teal laurel]

hence verstasile

I just dont undersstand the purpose of using other weapons given that Shield outclasses everything

[astral fjord]

only one aspect of spear

the other two while still probably being A tier

arent as consistent as chaos

[teal laurel]

nah

i think Hades i Ctier

while zagreus is B tier or C tier

[astral fjord]

u mean zeus

[sand glade]

So Extreme Heat Hydra would be cooler if the islands weren't small and the imprevious main head wasn't constantly in the way when I'm trying to get rid of the other six or so PURPLE heads

[teal laurel]

Zagreus is funny with Multi Skewer

Oh are we talking about spear or

shield

cause Yes everything else is A tier

Zues can be argued as B

[astral fjord]

oh shield i mean, i got u confused there

[teal laurel]

Zues is just dummy hard to use effectively

[astral fjord]

zeus is not good as an aspect but its still shield

its still super safe and you can just basically use it still as budget chaos shield

bull rush then use special then bull rush them into your special

[teal laurel]

Yeah

[astral fjord]

its not gonna be as much damage as shotgunning with chaos

[teal laurel]

Zeus is likre not a really good aspect

[astral fjord]

but still as safe

[teal laurel]

its just really a good weapon

unlike nemesis

who can be argued as either A tier or B tier

but its just strapped to a bad weapon

[astral fjord]

@sand glade yeah extreme heat hydra is very oof especially if you get the heads that spit lava

games like, i heard ya like lava?

so i put lava on top of your lava

[teal laurel]

I hate lava spitters

[astral fjord]

i only hate them a bit less than the wave heads

but thats just preference

[teal laurel]

i actualyl like wave heads

than summoners and lava spitters

[sand glade]

The island thing is unique and definitely helps add a level of heat. But those islands can barely keep Zag grounded if the heads are constantly pushing him (especially the middle/main head) and you happen to be using a weapon that pushing him (like I was with Poseidon's Sword)

That and purple heads pracitcally bury the islands in lava

[astral fjord]

just spam dash and hope to god you're quick enough to not burn

or equip spearpoint

[stoic ginkgo]

I kind of wish the main head would detach immediately instead of only the last phase

[astral fjord]

i feel like any problem in the game can be solved by equipping spear point

[stoic ginkgo]

That way it becomes a game of island hopping and running away from the main head

[fallen rover]

Well Asphodel you really want stuff to round out your build

So you bring god or charon

usually atleast

Like my normal start nowdays(unless I am poseidon sword) is Cosmic egg-God Keepsake for what I want-Charon-Spear point

[astral fjord]

getting overwhelmed by flame wheels? equip spear point. touching lava too frequently? spear point. them witches crowding the whole screen with their attacks? spear point. the entirety of styx? spear point

i only do chaos for the first 3 acts now and spearpoint tho

cause chaos is OP

[fallen rover]

True thats a way to do it aswell

[astral fjord]

i never had hydra detach its head

that happens?

[fallen rover]

On the upgraded fight

Last phase

[teal laurel]

extreme measures fight

[stoic ginkgo]

I never use Cosmic Egg anymore

[opal bay]

wth I beat my record despite having chaos aspect of being slowed down for 3 encounters

[stoic ginkgo]

I usually end up forcing two gods for the first two areas

[opal bay]

by like 18 seconds but still

[astral fjord]

huh i never had that happen lol

[untold widget]

why is chaos op? out of curiousity

[astral fjord]

you get to skip an encounter + get a boon that stacks with other boons well

'well' is probably an understatement

[stoic ginkgo]

@untold widget the aspect or God?

[full flame]

i gave up on cosmic egg too, game kept trolling me

[untold widget]

lynn was referring to the keepsake i thought

[full flame]

5 runs in a row, took cosmic egg in tartarus, zero cosmic gates; 3 of those times a cosmic gate would show up in the first asphodel chamber after i swapped off

[stoic ginkgo]

I just take the hp loss, I would rather choose a specific god for my main build

[opal bay]

really? I ran into chaos like 2 times when I had cosmic egg in one run

[astral fjord]

yeah cosmig egg makes the chaos encounter better since you dont lose hp

[full flame]

next run i didn't start with cosmic egg....two chaos gates in tartarus

game hates me

[stoic ginkgo]

Just take them anyway

[astral fjord]

just restart run and equip chaos egg xd

still the same seed

[stoic ginkgo]

Hp loss in Tartarus isn't too big of a deal

[full flame]

how do you restart the run? it saves it in the middle doesn't it?

[opal bay]

Chaos is op really since I think they deal quite a challenger sometimes, their aspects can quite heavily turtle or make you unable to use your currently strong ability, making it so that you somewhat challenge yourself.

[astral fjord]

go to shop

[opal bay]

but for that trouble they give quite the return

[astral fjord]

buys something then give up

[stoic ginkgo]

Or get hit in a fight

[astral fjord]

or get hit in a fight

easier method lol

[opal bay]

and since like most of the time you pick chaos correctly and get fights with the usual encounters, it is no trouble

However I did screw myself with chaos one run ago

[untold widget]

im gonna try going egg-boon-boon/coin-spearpoint

[opal bay]

didn't read much into the downside of the aspect so I couldn't use the attack with blade

and it was start of the run too

[stoic ginkgo]

I usually end up boon-boon-flex slot- speartip

[opal bay]

so like I lost 3 extra lives

BUT

Bless Patroclous

[untold widget]

🙏

[stoic ginkgo]

Lol

[astral fjord]

god trinket is good and all but egg basically guarantees that your chaos boons are rare or higher

[opal bay]

oh wait nvm the run I was talking I used chaos shield

still

[teal laurel]

I do triple Boon

Spear Point

Or skelly

[stoic ginkgo]

Also matters what weapon your are using. I almost always start Aphrodite on Hestia Aspect

[granite vine]

ok +50% speed Hydra fight is not fun

[astral fjord]

Forced overtime is hard to get used to yeah

It messes up with your previously established timings

[granite vine]

and me thinking I would use the run to learn my Achilles rushes

[stoic ginkgo]

I'm still working my Forced Overtime up

[astral fjord]

I think its better that once you use it you dont flip flop between how much

[untold widget]

what are the "easiest" pacts?

[astral fjord]

It can throw you off

[untold widget]

i heard some called "free" earlier

[stoic ginkgo]

Hurry summons

Jury*

And Extreme measures

[untold widget]

is that the more mobs one?

[teal laurel]

maximum security

[stoic ginkgo]

Yeah

[teal laurel]

the traps one

[untold widget]

security is the traps? yeah

[astral fjord]

Maximum security if you dong got trash positioning like me

[teal laurel]

you generally dont want to step on them no matter what

[granite vine]

Damage Control is much easier than Heightened Security imo

[untold widget]

yeah

i still step on spike traps in tartarus too much

[stoic ginkgo]

It makes the Hades pots hit like a truck

They are traps

[untold widget]

im pretty good about lava in asphodel

[teal laurel]

I never step on traps

[granite vine]

blue hearts are just a few more attacks, traps go one shotting you

[teal laurel]

Unless im using shield

[stoic ginkgo]

Don't ever get him by them or you will die

[astral fjord]

Damage control is much easier to eat up hp the whole run

[teal laurel]

and asphodel

[untold widget]

i'll get tagged by a random arrow in elysium and feel SO BAD

so it dealing like 80 will certainly help lol

[stoic ginkgo]

It you have both trap ranks, the pots do 270 danage

[opal bay]

max secuirty can be pain, but that if you somehow corner yourself in elysium or above to get your 100 hp get bitten off in one go

[astral fjord]

Just pray for sure footed zd

[teal laurel]

I never take footed and i play security 2

[opal bay]

arrows and blades can be painful, but at least the spikes are not so

[teal laurel]

but then I never takee HP and just damage

[astral fjord]

I think the time limit one is pretty free

5 heat too

[stoic ginkgo]

Yeah Elysium arrows do 180 damage

[astral fjord]

Just need to be fast

[teal laurel]

Oh

time limit for me is not free

[astral fjord]

I mean the 9 minute one you dont even need to be that fast

[teal laurel]

i take a lot of tie

[astral fjord]

Just dont be slow

[teal laurel]

to not die

[granite vine]

I don't understand how you guys go so fast, I was down to 30 seconds by Tartarus

[astral fjord]

9 minutes per act is totally acceptable even while playing safe

[teal laurel]

just dont damage control and time control at once

[astral fjord]

Nah just slam forced overtime

Everything spawns faster

[untold widget]

my first win was an 84 minute run

[astral fjord]

Means you can kill them faster

👀

Jesus thats long

[untold widget]

yeah...

i said above, my build was not good haha

[astral fjord]

But hey u done did it

[untold widget]

but i had gotten better at actual encounters

[astral fjord]

Ur time will improve as you do more runs

[untold widget]

im counting on it!

[teal laurel]

Mine is 30 mins

always 34 mins

[stoic ginkgo]

Protip: if you need to think about what room to pick, pause

[astral fjord]

^^

You can shave a lot of time if you spam interact button after you complete the encounter xs

Those precious 1-2 seconds stack up lmaoi

Thats like 20 seconds per act

[stoic crest]

I went from 41 to 34 to 30 mins

would've broken that record with world splitter sword but got rekt feels bad

[teal laurel]

I died when i tried to buffer interact with the shop

[granite vine]

buffer interact?

[teal laurel]

after dashing

dash into mashing RB

i ended up dashing into lava

then while i was in the menu screen

i was taking damage

[astral fjord]

I almost beat my clear record earlier but i decided to dally around and clear the entire styx

After getting the sack at the 2nd pit

[untold widget]

am i the only one who still walks into the lava trying to go to the gate from the asphodel charon

theres a pillar that hides the lava

every freakin time

[astral fjord]

I dont think you take damage while in that screen

[untold widget]

trust me you do

[granite vine]

I'm still smashing every pot and pillar for gold, I don't care how long it takes

[astral fjord]

Huh, i usually use that to tank through bombs xd

[opal bay]

my most speedy time is about 28 minutes or so

[stoic ginkgo]

I hate getting all 5 rooms in Styx

[opal bay]

I like it somewhat

imo if I can I will go do that

[astral fjord]

Sometimes you just get a run which is so fun you dont want it to end

[opal bay]

more stuff to collect and also I have almost all health back after that

[astral fjord]

Even if you have to endure styx in the process

[stoic ginkgo]

Based on how you ended up on your build, it can kill you time wise

[astral fjord]

Thats how i manage to get my what should have been sub-20 min runs to 22-25 mins

[untold widget]

my first clear was a 5 sack

luckily there were a couple wells so i could keep my hp up

[granite vine]

iirc it's been suggested before, but it would be nice to have a "Survival Mode" where after you beat the last boss, you just try to survive increasingly hard waves of enemies with your current build

[astral fjord]

If im doing the time limit im def not doing more styx than necessary

[opal bay]

after playing for a bit I have learnt that Styx really is a cakewalk once I learnt if I spam e near the fountain thingies the poision won't get me

[astral fjord]

Cause i would be aware how fast i have been going and if i have the chance to beat my clear record

But if im not playing with timer on I usually don't keep track

I was so sad earlier when I realized i couldve gotten a maybe 18 min run on the rail if didnt jack off to my explosive/spread fire zeus railgun run

[stoic ginkgo]

I turned on the timer as some as I started playing for the first time

[astral fjord]

I dont think pacts are available before beating hades lol

[stoic ginkgo]

The run timer

The one in the options

[zinc oasis]

Just finished the hell mode. First time I finish the game. 25 hours, that was fun

But a little bit disappointed to see that the différents aspects are that hard to get :(

[astral fjord]

Wait

👀

That exists?

[untold widget]

what are you referring to?

[astral fjord]

How hard is hell mode?

[stoic ginkgo]

It starts with ~5 heat, and you can't repeat runs at lower heats

[astral fjord]

Oh does it choose which pacts u do?

[stoic ginkgo]

The first 5 yeah

It always has budget cuts 1

[astral fjord]

Oof

[stoic ginkgo]

You also don't get invulnerability when you take a huge hit

It's a hell mode exclusive pact

[stiff fractal]

Yo bois, idk if this was confirmed to be a bug or what

but when you use the rail with the daedalus upgrade that turns your attack into a 5 shot shotgun

and you attack a target with Doom on it, it procs the doom five times xD

Just had a run where i had eris aspect with doom on special buffed up

blasted dad for 2.5k with 1 shot, 0 crits

can go absurd if you get pressure points rng

[stoic ginkgo]

Wat

[stiff fractal]

Try it ^^, get a modified on attack

and doom on special

to proc priviledged status

attack> special> attack

with daedalus upgrade

observe as any mob without armor takes 5 doom procs

and evaporates

[astral fjord]

How does your attack proc doom if you got it on special

🤔

[stiff fractal]

the normal attack

idk what to call it

X button?

the regular rail attack that has 12 shots or w/e

and the special is the bomb

Merciful End

Your attacks that can Deflect immediately activate Doom effects.
Doom Combo Damage: 120

Had athena on primary

[astral fjord]

Ah so thats what u mean

So merciful end insta procced doom multiple times huh

[stiff fractal]

yeah, idk if it works the same way for other multi proc hits

i just found this out by accident lol

[astral fjord]

No merciful end is exclusive to doom

[stiff fractal]

no i mean

if there are any other weapons with more than 1 dmg tick

cuz the rail upgrade has 5 hits simultaneously

when you take the shotgun hammer

idk if it would work the same with shield of chaos

let's say

[astral fjord]

Twin shot?

[stiff fractal]

no

Your Attack is replaced with a short-range spread of 5 shots.

Spread Fire

[astral fjord]

I know what spread fire is

Im saying twin shot is another hammer upgrades that does multiple hits simultaneously

[stiff fractal]

maybe

can be tested

but yeah idk if it's a bug or not ^^

[astral fjord]

Might be

Pretty obscure since you need to have those 3 specific things

Athena on attack, ares on special and spread fire

[granite vine]

also Merciful End?

[keen shard]

kinda of lame how poisden does like zero dmgh

to bosses

[zinc oasis]

@untold widget différents aspects of weapon

@astral fjord

Idk if hell mode is really that hard compared to normal mode. I've never played the normal mode...
The budget cut is a real pain

Run cleared with shield. Once I was really close with the bow

[turbid needle]

Honestly, the damage nerf to Merciful End has not stopped it from being OP.

[zinc oasis]

The run was kind of easy until the duo bosses (who left me at 3 HP with no DD)
But I've got the "Go to 50% HP at each encounter" buff who really carry me

[loud elk]

Does Merciful End constantly proc the combo damage effect when the enemy takes damage from deflect-capable attacks, or does it just do it once and then instantly proc Doom?

[turbid needle]

Instantly procs Doom.

Doom's Status Curse ends, but if you have Blinding Flash every time you hit something with a Deflecting attack you'll reapply it.

[serene nexus]

This is one of the only times when you’ll want doom on your primary attack

[stoic ginkgo]

Did you just download a save with Hell Mode unlocked?

[turbid needle]

Eh, Doom on Hera is quite good.

Start a new save file.

[serene nexus]

I’m tied at the hip to Nemesis Aspect. Love it to pieces

[turbid needle]

Right?

[stoic ginkgo]

Doom on chaos shield is pretty alright

[turbid needle]

It's such a glass cannon but when you get Aphro Attack and those backstab Heart Rend crits land... 👌

[serene nexus]

Artemis attack, Ares Special, Poseidon/Aphro Dash

[wild agate]

Anyone know why I can post in the feedback channel?

[serene nexus]

Read the pinned messages on feedback to find out how

Assuming you meant “can’t”

Heart Rend plus Hunters Mark

You crit on EVERYTHING

[wild agate]

Cant is what I meant, thanks

[fallen light]

Hi^, sorry to bother you, what's better for Spear, Hades or Zagreus aspect? Is it ok if I go for Artemis keepsake initially and try to duo it with Aphrodite?

[granite vine]

personally I find Hades hard to play because I don't really use the spin attack, so Zagreus is the clear winner

[untold widget]

really comes down to preference/playstyle

[stoic ginkgo]

A lot of people avoid Hades because charging a spin attack leaves you very vulnerable

[astral abyss]

anyone know what the room with the Pink shiny heart is for?

[granite vine]

Aphrodite?

[astral abyss]

looks like this: ...err i cant post a screenshot xD

[untold widget]

the heart is the symbol of aphrodite

i.e. you get one of her boons

[astral abyss]

oh ...hmmm....thanks

damn...when you have to pick between leveling up chain lightning or aphrodite...on your second room lol

[granite vine]

(you can post links to screenshots hosted elsewhere, like imgur)

[astral abyss]

ahh thats a lot of work but yea i get it

gonna go with aphrodite here...

what is considered your 'special'?

is it triangle? lol

[loud elk]

ps4 controller, ye

[granite vine]

Hover and it should tell you what key is bound to it

[astral abyss]

alright, thanks

[granite vine]

all the bolded words have tooltips

[astral abyss]

oh true but game shows xbox i believe..so i'll need to look at settings again - thanks!

[final fox]

Achilles aspect is the best spear aspect because of the mobility and the upfront damage

[granite vine]

and you can suicide run into lava twice as quickly as dashing!

[loud elk]

i like it, but i honestly just don't like having to throw the spear

[granite vine]

I don't like moving to the spear, that's where the enemies are supposed to be!

[loud elk]

it feels like it does weak damage and given its really small aoe i just dont feel incentivized to use it

spin though

[granite vine]

in this last Achilles run I just chucked it at the wall to get the bonus, which is completely different from how I like to spear

[loud elk]

especially with punishing sweep. whole lotta more damage

[astral abyss]

whats the bag with the skull on it?

shop?

[loud elk]

yes

[astral abyss]

cool

[granite vine]

just go in and find out :)

it's more fun that way

surprises abound

[astral abyss]

nah man....i want to pick BOON over shop lol

[loud elk]

oh uh

if you pick the boon you dont get the shop

depending on how deep you are into the dungeon

[granite vine]

I think boons are fairly easily differentiated from the rest, tho?

[loud elk]

see this is something i find much more fun learning the hard way

[granite vine]

might just be me

[loud elk]

cuz it feels good learning these things on your own

im totally guilty of searching through wikis for the most optimal build i do it for almost every game i play

[astral abyss]

aaand i just got ares + athena...gooooood

[loud elk]

but i usually play them blind my first few hours

[pastel jolt]

@astral abyss if you want a guide to door symbols then check the pins on this channel!

[granite vine]

I only wiki'd this one to figure out how on earth to get the remaining duo boons, since there's no indication in-game of what they do or even who they belong to