#h1-builds-and-combat

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untold widget
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you mean nectar?

astral fjord
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You only need 40 ambrosia to max out every support trinket

untold widget
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oh, right

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thats how you level them up too

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"only"

astral fjord
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Well, technically 44 since you have to unlock it

untold widget
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i have 3

astral fjord
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You need like triple of that to max out all aspects

untold widget
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for blood?

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yeah

astral fjord
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U need 50 for each weapob

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I think

novel python
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Alright extreme measures fury fight is annoying

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I can't see sh1t

astral fjord
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So 250 blood in total? šŸ¤”

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Yeah tisiphones fog is such bs

untold widget
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well, one thing i can say. ive done full god recollection runs in bastion and full limiter runs in transistor, and hades is definitely the hardest so far

astral fjord
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Bastion us really hard

novel python
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I haven't played the other games yet

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But I do have an obsessed friend.

astral fjord
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I didnt get to finish it cause i sucked massive donger

untold widget
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haha, well seems like youre my opposite then :P

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at least so far, i havent beat hades yet

novel python
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I've finished 0 heat with all weps

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and 1 heat with bow

untold widget
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grats!

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i'll get there, i hope :)

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what was the hardest?

novel python
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Figuring out which boon works with which lmao

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@untold widget unlock hera bow and go for a cast build, you should be able to beat the game in no time

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No need to upgrade it

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That's what I've done

warm yacht
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I always go for chaos just because I love them

novel python
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I do have a hefty amount of gold though

zinc oasis
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I'm wondering. If in hell mode I increase my heat by one, do I get new specials boss recompenses ?

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(diamond, blood and ambrosia)

wary knot
novel python
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Not seeing the weapon though xd

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nvm

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rail

wary knot
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Hestia rail! So the Aphrodite boon was really tempting

teal laurel
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Did someone say Blood

zinc oasis
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I'm wondering. If in hell mode I increase my heat by one, do I get new specials boss recompenses ?
(diamond, blood and ambrosia)

  • and if I clean a boss at 7 heats, will I get recompenses for 6 heats ?
teal laurel
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titan blood really needs to be something to be spent on

untold widget
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@novel python i had that last run. Only my second time fighting hades though, so i still dont know the fight well and didnt make it.

teal laurel
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also is there a way to spend Darkness in the shop?

novel python
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You can only spend darkness on the mirror

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Or exchange it at trader for other things

teal laurel
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which things

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also how does Hera Aspect work

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do you put hit an enemy an on impact the cast activataes?

novel python
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Nah, you can't shoot the cast anymore, you arm it in your arrows

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And when you shoot the arrow the cast shoots too, basically

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Let's say you have Dio cast, the explosion happens on arrow impact

untold widget
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yeah i didnt realize thats how it worked, i thought the attack would just be like the cast

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it made athena cast kind of worthless

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i should have replaced it

left timber
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don't think i'm into hestia aspect

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beat hades with all my revives intact but pointing and clicking gets kinda grueling

zinc oasis
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no ones know if I get another blood for beating the first boss with 1 more heat than the first time šŸ˜¦ ?

untold widget
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you should

zinc oasis
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OK, I will try it when I get my computer back

novel python
wary knot
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Second Wave Chiron special? That's the good stuff

novel python
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Yep

wary knot
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Glad it still does work even post-nerf!

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It was kinda ridiculous before tbh

novel python
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Sadly I only got it in styx

wary knot
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I mean, pushing people around is the best in Styx so it's not all bad!

novel python
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But I got arte legendary in tartarus

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So makes up for it

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Had breaking wave as well

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Stuff was melting

wary knot
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Delightful, pinball city

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Dunno if anyone knows but: what happens if you replace your Ares cast with another one while you have Hunting Blades?

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I assume the duo boon just stops doing anything but the wording of Hunting Blades just says "your cast" and not "your slicing shot" or whatever

gloomy bone
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I just acquired Burst Shot for the first time. Loading that into Hera, with a Deflect Boon? It's just a sea of deflecting shields

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It's beautiful. I need to go for Artemis more often

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Also, different weapon forms don't count as different weapons for Titan Blood acquisition, correct?

untold widget
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correct

wary knot
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So, when the final boss enters the 2nd phase and does that huge shockwave. Does that wave do loads of damage or something and I've just not realised it? Because I've had it take me out from 120-140 HP twice now

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I'll try and dash through it towards the boss and just pop a Death Defiance out of nowhere

gloomy bone
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I've not faced the final boss much, but don't the hazards they place do a lot of damage?

wary knot
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Yeah, but those don't come into play until he summons them during the 2nd phase. The only attack as the phase starts is the shockwave

rugged cipher
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I had that happen to me. That wave he fires when he transitions from phase 1 to phase 2 hit me for 175 I think and killed the run

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But other times I'm sure I've been hit by it and been fine

untold widget
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can you deflect it?

wary knot
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Dang, guess it does just hit super hard... Wonder if it's intentional or not if it's inconsistent though

rugged cipher
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I don't know for sure, maybe I've just been really good at avoiding it except that one time. I don't think it's deflectable

digital vessel
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I have no proof but I think the waves the boss makes itself in p2 are worse than the little skull bomb ones, but they all hurt

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Just based on suddenly dying

sacred idol
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What the heck is the timing to dodge the shockwave, anyway?

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Every time I try, it just plows through my dash and eats me alive.

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Didn't kill me with Athena dash, but it still hurt a lot

digital vessel
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I think you have to dash right when you go through it, like going toward and past it inward usually works

sacred idol
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I have actually zero idea how I didn't instadie

azure bone
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If talking about last boss P2

digital vessel
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And dash right before you hit it

azure bone
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the wave is bigger the further away from him it is

sacred idol
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But I feel like the timing is just too unforgiving

digital vessel
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Itā€™s not easy no

sacred idol
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Yeah, obviously because it's radial, but do you mean the thickness of it?

azure bone
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So if you run really far away you'll have a hard time dashing through it

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Yea

sacred idol
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What even

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That's a little bit unfair

digital vessel
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ā€œThought you could hide from me, eh?ā€

azure bone
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Sometimes its easier to break a jar and jump through it while closer

rugged cipher
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I think it discourages you from hiding in corners from it? I know the skull ones don't extend the whole arena

sacred idol
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It doesn't really indicate that it's going to almost guarantee gibbing you for running away, though.

digital vessel
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Deflecting those skulls is so satisfying as a tangential point

untold widget
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my general boss strategy is "panicked running around" so

sacred idol
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There's nothing that teaches you it will actively get worse the more you try to escape it.

winter lichen
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The only way I survived the waves was spamming Athenaā€™s call and dash boons

digital vessel
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When in doubt, spam dash with hermes dash # boost and divine dash

winter lichen
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Even then I had like 400 max health

digital vessel
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Just donā€™t go back outward for the wave example lol

sacred idol
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with what? Hermes?

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I don't get that lucky.

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I've never seen that damn boon in my life.

digital vessel
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I usually get it in most of my runs honestly

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If I donā€™t then itā€™s a harder run for sure

winter lichen
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There is this one Athena fated boom I havenā€™t been able to get

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Though Iā€™m not on my computer to check

naive cobalt
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I got her Legendary yesterday, which was the last I needed

sacred idol
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feedbacked

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I think it's just not really nice gameplay-wise for the boss to break his own rules with zero warning.

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Oh. that's on the filter, huh.

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Well, anyway. I think it kinda makes lore sense. Hades is not a nice guy, I kinda figured he'd cheat. But him being mean to Zag shouldn't be a run-ending cheapshot.

azure bone
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Imo its fine. You can tell after one use of the ability how thick the wall becomes if you're to far

gloomy bone
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I just got Athena's Legendary! It's allowing me to do much better against Hades. Second phase and I think I've lost only a tiny bit of health

azure bone
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The traps do hit a bit hard, especially given the fact with heightened security the trap itself deals 180 damage

gloomy bone
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Aaaand just beat Hades for the first time, with 150/250 health left. Athena MVP!

novel python
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šŸ‘ šŸ‘ Congrats, buddy

gloomy bone
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Mixing Hera bow with explosive shot, Athena's cast, Artemis extra cast projectile boon, and Athena's legendary made that so fast.

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Thank you!

novel python
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You think Athena's cast was broken on that? Try it with Dio.

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Or Aphro.

azure bone
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Dio cast w/ zues duo

gloomy bone
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Athena's cast Deflects though. Aphrodite's would be good I'm guessing, though with Dio it would only slow Hades a little, and Hades being fast isn't the issue in the fight

azure bone
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Its moreso the fact dio deals a LOT of damage

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esp with zues duo that makes it shoot lightning

gloomy bone
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That's true. Athena's in that setup already did a lot of damage, so Dio's would do even more. The deflect realllly helped with the skeletons... but then again, an explosive two shot bow dealt with the skeletons just fine as well

serene nexus
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Dioā€™s call is amazing. Especially with privileged status

gloomy bone
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I do hope they eventually include a Custom Run mode, where you can just play around with builds.

novel python
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@gloomy bone Not only that Dio does a sh1tton of damage, You get the chance to combo that with Zeus Duo.

gloomy bone
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True!

left timber
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i do enjoy the satisfaction of perfectly timing an athena call

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as not good as it is

azure bone
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Also the satisfaction of taking off 70% of hades phase 2 health with one cast of ares call when you have viscious cycle

granite vine
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or just sitting there and wiping theseus when he hits phase 2

strange skiff
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Just got my 10th win streak, we double digits now!! shadesmile

novel python
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Can't I have both

opal bay
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@novel python u can. If I remember the hammers definitely will be in your path twice

azure bone
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THey wont definately

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They will definately be in path twice, but if you skip one no gurantee you'll get them twice then

novel python
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Oh god

stray frigate
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much better takin this in styx

serene nexus
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What is your guys go-to keepsake order from Tartarus to Elysium? I usually got Coinpurse - GodKeepsake - GodKeepsake but Iā€™m thinking about starting off with Chaos or Aphroditeā€™s keepsake and then switching to Coinpurse

stray frigate
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well mostly i start with Coin too

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sometimes i take Dio or Zeus for rail

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and might use Hermes for sword too)

novel python
serene nexus
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Iā€™d say my favorite weapon is Nemesis Aspect Sword. But I feel for rail (Hestia in particular) you need some very specific boons or else you fall off quickly. Either that or Iā€™m just bad with it.

stray frigate
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i do not play high heat

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so game forgives my mistakes

serene nexus
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Iā€™m around 3-4 heat right now myself. But I need more blood to max out some of the aspects

stray frigate
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i did 8 with rail

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and just RQ when i tried to end last prophecy

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and failed

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and died 0 heat run

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0 heat!!!!!!

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hate spear

serene nexus
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Spear is kind of clunky at times tbh.

stray frigate
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my worst weapon

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even sword is kinda easier

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or i should try Achilles instead of Hades

serene nexus
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Achilles makes you play riskier and itā€™s very easy to lose the buff due to missing your attacks

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I prefer hades in that respect.

stray frigate
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Achiles should be easy with Casts

serene nexus
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Was never really fond of casts tbh

full flame
stray frigate
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fond?

full flame
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so many options

stray frigate
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Hermes imo

full flame
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one of the chambers is Dionysus too

stray frigate
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and 2 dio

full flame
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lol

stray frigate
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oh u didnt clear all the routes?

full flame
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not yet, just got here

stray frigate
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do it

full flame
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just never seen 3 of the same god there before

stray frigate
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grab more money

candid merlin
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What's y'all favourite Special for chaos aspect shield?

solid cairn
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Artemis probably

novel python
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Um, 4 lvl 4 dio casts using Hera just blew half hp off Meg.

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That will leave a mark.

solid cairn
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I had the Athena boon that did a second cast for 25% damage

novel python
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Artemis*

solid cairn
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And I had 6 casts loaded

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Sorry

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Artemis

novel python
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It's alright

stray frigate
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i wonder

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if u have boon for more dmg weak enemies

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and if u load Casts

gloomy bone
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So... I think Infernal Troves can refill Death Defiance

stray frigate
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will Cast dmg increase?

gloomy bone
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Or maybe I had one more and didn't realize. Nvm

novel python
stray frigate
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Hera?

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cool buff

novel python
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Not sure if it's visual only or I should report it as a bug

azure bone
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God how do people play the rail with non-hestia

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Like you have to be super lucky on boons or you just die inside

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Did 18 heat hestia run, stuggling to do 10 heat with the other rails ><

stable fossil
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Grab artemis trinket and pray for support fire

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thats how

azure bone
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Thats the 'super lucky on boons' part

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No support fire / no zues legendary? good luck

stable fossil
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I mean I get support fire pretty regularly

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like every 3 runs or so

azure bone
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Also having to run the same thing every time is annoying

stray frigate
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it depends on heat lvl

stable fossil
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I always make it to at least Elysium so I get a good spread of abilities

heavy bough
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when the poseidon boons say slamming enemies on the barrier, barrier = walls? (ik dumb question)

azure bone
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Meanwhile with hestia I can just run whatever I want. If I get fast fire stuff (zues/dio/support) I build around auto fire. If I get aphro buffs I'll focus on the single shot

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Yea, walls

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any kind of wall slam

stable fossil
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wall slam builds are great for room clears but bosses aren't affected by knock back

azure bone
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I mean I always make it to elysium, but it just sucks compared to hestia

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Ish

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Hades isn't

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you can knockback other bosses into walls with poseidon

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(Sans hydra)

stable fossil
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I have a new favorite build

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Poseidon Blade with Athena Cast

stray frigate
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athena cast?

stable fossil
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the Phalanx Shot

stray frigate
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what cool about that

stable fossil
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The boon that upgrades your cast that athena can give you

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It deflects

heavy bough
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Aight wording was weird for me. Also regarding spear, is there something to be said about it being a more precise weapon or does it just scale terribly with damage later on? I keep making sick crit or attack damage builds, using achilles aspect. And like i'll be deleting things up until Elysium where the damage goes down the drain so much it drives me nuts

stray frigate
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it has such SLOW animation

stable fossil
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and Poseidon knocks the cast orbs out of enemies

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spam the cast

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special

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repeat

stray frigate
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u want exit wounds for poseidon sword

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and aphro cast imo

stable fossil
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having gotten exit wounds once

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in over 30+ runs

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I am not inclined to agree with you

azure bone
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Just because you got it once doesn't mean it isn't best for poseidon sword

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Youc an kill hades <30 seconds with a poseidon exit wounds build

stable fossil
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I havent tried it myself so I don't have an opinion

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is what I meant

stray frigate
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exit wounds is kinda rare boon yes

azure bone
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Pretty much you lodge your casts in them, then hit special and deal a massive chunk of damage and repeat

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if you get a high end hermes casting speed boon you can melt jsut about anything

stable fossil
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sooooo what I just said but with an extra boon that adds more damage to the combo?

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Athena Cast does aoe on hit

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and if you get the Zeus Duo then they bounce

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excellent room clear and the base damage isnt bad either

azure bone
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Yea its a pretty decent cast combo

stable fossil
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98->154->198 level 1 2 and 3

azure bone
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Not broken compared to some other junk in the game

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Lookin at you hunting blades

stable fossil
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which one is that?

azure bone
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ares cast seeks enemies

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instead of moving in a straight line

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With a high rarity one you're talking hundreds of damage a cast on multiple enemies, with no need to dislodge them

novel python
azure bone
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Ad in the ares legendary and its broken (ares legendary makes it so each tick of damage from his rifts increases the damage by +1)

novel python
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( That cast is heroic, it's a visual glitch )

heavy bough
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so what builds you guys would run for an Achilles spear that doesn't make me feel like baby cheeks late game?

solid cairn
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Special crit I guess

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Unless thatā€™s what you donā€™t want

azure bone
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Poseidon spin build

heavy bough
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I tried it but it always tapers off hard after i get to elysium

azure bone
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err

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it'd help if i put the link in

stray frigate
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achiles with ares cast?

stable fossil
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oh yeah my brother found a broken combo the other day

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He got aphrodite attack and then picked up her combo with dio i think, anyway it let him charm enemies that were weak

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guess what

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it worke don Hades

azure bone
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Yea thats being nerfed

stable fossil
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I watched him beat hades without him launching a single attack

untold quiver
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They already nerfed charm once

azure bone
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charm is fine

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the 15% charm on damage is being nerfed

stable fossil
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10%?

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5?

azure bone
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tons of vids of chiron bow perma CCing hades

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Prob being changed entirely

stable fossil
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he did it with a spear

azure bone
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Works with spear, rail, anything that can hit quickly

stable fossil
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not a fan of chiron bow

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I've come to learn that everything is viable if you combo it correctly

untold quiver
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Chiron bow is a boss melter

stable fossil
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but I dont have enough blood to upgrade the bow past 2 level

untold quiver
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I like Ares with it....doom on special and the stacking damage

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Easy to clear rooms with the spread.....and you can drill a boss

stable fossil
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I like sword the most I think, followed by the Bow, spear, shield and rail

azure bone
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Everything is viable for non-heat play

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once you get to higher levels of heat, that very very quickly changes

stable fossil
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yeah I imagine once you add on the time constraint heat it gets very very difficult to build something other than a top level build

untold quiver
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I'm not as good with the spear and bow.....but I'm climbing heat with Posidon Blade, Chaos Shield, and .....I forget which rail...the power up in the special blast area

stable fossil
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how many runs is everyone else in?

untold quiver
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Time constraint is like the least annoying pact

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Imo

stable fossil
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time constraint with everything else on top of it

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is a nightmare

azure bone
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Time constraint is a big deal when combined with a few of the other ones

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esp in elysium

novel python
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Petition to remove shield bois from the game

stable fossil
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signed

azure bone
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But like, sword gets much worse when you add in lasting consequences

untold quiver
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Yeah got to make quick decisions on rerollong skull rooms

azure bone
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and bow gets much much worse when you add in whatever the 10% move/attack speed one is

solid cairn
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The scythe weapon theyā€™re definitely gonna add is going to go past shields though @novel python

stable fossil
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oh something I found out

azure bone
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I hope they dont add a scythe

stable fossil
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Spear Spin gets passed shield

solid cairn
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I just want any large weapon

stable fossil
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if you upgrade it

novel python
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I would like a scythe wep tbh, but something like thana's scythe

solid cairn
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A Thanatos aspect would be likely

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Kind of like hades aspect for spear

stable fossil
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Thanatos is just a doom build but max level

azure bone
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I imagine new weapon would prob be either a caudecus or an axe.

stable fossil
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prove me wrong

novel python
solid cairn
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Greataxe mmmmm

novel python
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Chakrams please

solid cairn
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Or dual hand axes

novel python
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Mid range wep

azure bone
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We only have one true melee weapon atm

solid cairn
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Axes seem likely

azure bone
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two ranged, two hybrid

solid cairn
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We donā€™t have a fast melee

stable fossil
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?

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shield and sword are basically pure melee

azure bone
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Rail/Bow = ranged. Spear/Shield = Hybrid

solid cairn
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Shield had a projectile

azure bone
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Most shield builds are built around bull rush projectile or shield throw

novel python
azure bone
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Or chaos shield shotgunning

solid cairn
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I think a super big slow weapon or fast dual wield melee is likely

novel python
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Fast dual wield? CHAKRAMS

stable fossil
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Me: building poseidon and punching stuff really hard
Everyone Else: NOOOOOOOOOOO!

solid cairn
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Nah dual daggers or axes

azure bone
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Doin a +18 heat run, been kinda struggling and such cause of lasting consequences mostly

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Get viscious cycle, win with 2 DDs and incredible ease

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I wonder if its a broken legendary

novel python
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ive never gotten it

solid cairn
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Ainā€™t chakrams like things that you throw

novel python
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And Ares' cast is eluding me

stable fossil
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have you ever turned the heat gauge all the way up just to see what the text u8nderneath it says?

azure bone
stable fossil
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its pretty funny

solid cairn
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It says something about having mercy on the heat gauge

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I think

azure bone
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It says you made it cry I think

stable fossil
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it does say you made it cry

novel python
solid cairn
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Something like ā€œYou made the heat guage cry. Happy?ā€

stable fossil
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yes

solid cairn
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That may be word for word what it says

stable fossil
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has anyone cleared a 45 Heat run yet?

solid cairn
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No

stable fossil
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time to grind boys

solid cairn
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Itā€™s either actually impossible or needs perfect rng

stable fossil
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and or girls

solid cairn
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It would be a legendary run though

stable fossil
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I'm looking forward to dying 1000 times just to see Hades' final codex entry

solid cairn
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I donā€™t think 42 has even been done

stable fossil
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I assume 41 is everything but the time constraint one?

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you cant play lame if you have time constraint

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also least favorite enemy? Deffo the soul catchers

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too much freaking armor

solid cairn
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The exploding wheel barrow things

stable fossil
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those are chariots and yes I hate them too

solid cairn
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Actually maybe not

stable fossil
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Satyrs suck but can be worked around, just dash away from chariots, but soul catchers?

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F them

solid cairn
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I donā€™t really have a visceral hatred for any enemy like I did in gungeon

stable fossil
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wait you have a visceral hatred for a gungeon enemy?

novel python
stable fossil
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which one?

solid cairn
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Yes

novel python
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Time for beyblade build

solid cairn
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Lead maidens I HATE THEM

stable fossil
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lol what?

solid cairn
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But thatā€™s off topic

novel python
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Used to play gungeon. Finished all the weapons and just quit.

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Might go back from time to time

stable fossil
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I am 2 achievements away from 100% the game

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when do we get Hades Achievements?

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we should have one for petting the dog 1000 times

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because he is a good boy

solid cairn
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Prophecies

novel python
solid cairn
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Are achievements

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Support fire maybe?

novel python
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besides duo, legendary and vacuum blades

solid cairn
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That may not be a prerequisite for the duo

novel python
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Let me just check the wiki really fast

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strike flourish dash aid

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I think ill take the flourish just because I want something like aphro on attack

azure bone
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Yea that's a free win right there

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Just focus on ares and hope for viscous blades

novel python
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So keep ares' keepsake

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Got it

azure bone
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Nah I"d go aphro keepsake, try to get the 50% damage buff from two statuses

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from special/attack slots

stable fossil
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So how many runs are other people in? I realize this game came out back in 2018, and I want to know how many runs other people are in and how long it took them to beat it just to compare how well I am doing.

novel python
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I've beat it before 30 runs

solid cairn
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Over 90 attempts now

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But I donā€™t know how long it took for me to first beat it

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Probably over 10

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And under 1(

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15

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Once you beat him once it becomes waaaaaay easier to do it again for a while

novel python
#

^

stable fossil
#

then you turn up the Heat

novel python
#

I'm at 4 heat and the hades fight is the easiest part tbh

solid cairn
#

Eh heat only gets hard around 8-10

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There are some easy heat sinks like jury summons

novel python
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  • hp enemies, + attack speed enemies
stable fossil
#

I beat him on run 22 and didnt stop winning until 28when i turned the heat all the way up to see what happened and didnt realize it refunded my darkness and didnt put it back after I undid it

novel python
#

rip

solid cairn
#

45 heat has not beeen done

stable fossil
#

I beat him with all 5 weapon right in a row and then ruined my 5 game win streak

solid cairn
#

Rip

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My first clear was under 30 minutes

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And my next 5 winning runs were all faster and faster

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My best time rn is a 23

stable fossil
#

my fastest time is 29 minutes ;-;

solid cairn
#

A leaderboard for this game would be sick

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Also I wish it showed your best time for each heat

stable fossil
#

I feel like that's little redundant

solid cairn
#

Oh a daily run system

stable fossil
#

who goes back down a heat level after you beat it?

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I want more lore not a daily runs lol

solid cairn
#

Why canā€™t we have both

novel python
#

Hermes or Chaos? Start or Aspho

stable fossil
#

I am secretly hoping they add more levels

stray frigate
#

Chaos

stable fossil
#

Chaos

novel python
#

Pray with me that I get 1 more cast or cast damage

stable fossil
#

the earlier you get chaos the better

solid cairn
#

What if winner of daily runs got a prize like a Titan blood for 1st, ambrosia for 2nd, and diamond for 3rd

stable fossil
#

I want to explore the over world, imagine battling up mount Olympus or something

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or finding mom

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just dont attack nerd

novel python
#

With hera bow

solid cairn
#

Just cast

novel python
#

Sure

solid cairn
#

Oh nvm

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You canā€™t normal cast

stable fossil
#

what does hera bow do?

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right

solid cairn
#

You press the cast button

novel python
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Embeds casts on your attack

stable fossil
#

I remember

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yo uh

solid cairn
#

And the cast goes to your next attack

stable fossil
#

good luck mate

novel python
#

See what I mean now? xd

stable fossil
#

spam special?

solid cairn
#

Is this like, a run you really donā€™t want to lose

stable fossil
#

do you have time constraint active?

novel python
#

It's the first time in like 10 runs that I got ares' cast

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It has eluded me.

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And no

stable fossil
#

then take it and kill everything with just your special

solid cairn
#

Youā€™re on asphodel right

novel python
#

yeah

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I got heroic special though

solid cairn
#

Hard call

novel python
#

161 doom damage

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Or should I just go for prophecy

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And call it a day

stable fossil
#

if you have doom then your fine

solid cairn
#

Cast or no balls

stable fossil
#

^

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I would do it if I had Hera bow

novel python
#

I would say something really rude but I don't know you

stable fossil
#

sometimes you have to play lame

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just only use your special

novel python
#

I wanna see my dreams come true

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šŸ˜¢

stable fossil
#

if you have doom on it then you might actually be able to get by for 3 rooms

novel python
#

as I said, it's heroic Ares special

solid cairn
#

I usually take -3 for attack in aspho even on some sword runs

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You have hunting blades right

novel python
#

Yeah

rich briar
#

I bought both Furi and Hades over the holidays, and itā€™s interesting to me how much trouble people have with the hades ring wave

solid cairn
#

Youā€™ll be fine

rich briar
#

Makes me think there should be an enemy in elysium with a version of that attack maybe

solid cairn
#

You just need to dirtier a few rough films

stable fossil
#

unless one of the three rooms is the boss then you are screwed

solid cairn
#

rooms

stable fossil
#

@rich briar Just dash through it?

novel python
#

Even chaos said that "this should be interesting" I'm crying šŸ˜‚

rich briar
#

No I donā€™t have trouble

stable fossil
#

oh

novel python
#

It shouldn't be, I've just entered aspho

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And got eury

stable fossil
#

then you have 10-16 rooms to go then

novel python
#

Pray with me that she boosts my cast

stable fossil
#

I can tell when I am about to hit the boss without having to look

novel python
#

Same, it's almost always shop or health

stable fossil
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especially if I get death barge in aspho

novel python
#

as in a choice between the two

rich briar
#

But all of my friends have, so maybe an enemy with a similar attack to introduce the mechancic would help. kinda like the laser crystals.

novel python
#

If I get Asterius like this I'm kill

stable fossil
#

its either a pom and health or a boon

rich briar
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Iā€™ve been told itā€™s good form to discuss stuff here before making a suggestions post

novel python
#

Yep, epic Cast

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Thanks, eury!

stable fossil
#

you can fight the bull in aspho?

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WHAT?!

rich briar
#

Is there a wave enemy Iā€™m not remembering?

novel python
#

Waiot

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I'm ret@rded

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There

rich briar
#

Wait you can fight bull in aspho?

solid cairn
#

Filter dodging bad

stable fossil
#

no I think Kree is just an idiot

novel python
#

^

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I agree

solid cairn
#

I think thatā€™s an actual rule that you canā€™t filter dodge

novel python
#

Wait lemme check

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So I'll know to not play with fire

solid cairn
#

Iā€™ve been called out for it

stable fossil
#

check if you're an idiot?

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how do you do that Kree?

novel python
#

That I already know

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No need to check

trim coral
#

it needs to be said somewhere that hermes' "after you call you gain dodge chance and movement speed" applies when you HIT call not after it

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if youre an invulnerable blade rift for 2 seconds then youre wasting 5 seconds of that buff

novel python
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I can't find that in the rules @solid cairn :-?

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I barely found the rules

solid cairn
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Eh itā€™s bypassing a bot thatā€™s enforcing something

novel python
#

There are like 3

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Aaaand I need to beat thana using only my doom special

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Kek

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This should be fun

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and I actually did it

rich briar
#

Is there a wave attack enemy similar to hades that Iā€™m not remembering?

stray frigate
#

which wave?

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like big for all area?

rich briar
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The one that comes from the pots and from the beginning of second phase

stray frigate
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big gorgona head with cyclops crusher

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with mid management iirc

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when he faals from the sky

rich briar
#

I havenā€™t ran into that

stray frigate
#

he summons big wave

rich briar
#

Huh

stray frigate
#

and head able to tp in random area

rich briar
#

Well I was gonna suggest adding that ability to a 3rd crystal variety or something

stable fossil
#

I hate crystals

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so

rich briar
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So that players who havenā€™t played stuff like gungeon or furi can be introduced to the mechanic

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Well

stable fossil
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Ima vote no

rich briar
#

The point of crystals is to introduce you to the laser and immunity mechanics that bosses have

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So

stable fossil
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Who has a laser besides hades?

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Like a tracking one?

rich briar
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The crystals in Tartarus?

stray frigate
#

snakestones?

stable fossil
#

right but you said bosses plural

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I meant bosses

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I thought it was just hades

rich briar
#

Well hades is the only boss with a laser

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But all bosses have immunity

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Bad wording sorry

stable fossil
#

ah

rich briar
#

My point was that a third crystal or a different enemy could be added to introduce the wave mechanic as well

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Because Iā€™ve had friends die to that ability several times during the hades fight

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Because they arenā€™t used to the mechanic like people whoā€™ve played other top-downs are

stable fossil
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I die because I get hit by the flaming skulls that make you take double damage from all his attacks

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then I take 80 damage from one hit

rich briar
#

Well everyone struggles in different ways

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Idk

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Itā€™s just a thought

stable fossil
#

what's bs is that that mechanic isn't anywhere else in the game and they don't tell you what it does so you might not even notice until the 8th time you fight him

rich briar
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Because I saw a complaint about hadesā€™ wave attack and they said it needed a nerf and it got downvoted

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So I thought about how the reason I didnā€™t have trouble is because I played through furi before playing hades

stable fossil
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because it doesn't people just need to learn that dodge has invincibility frames

mighty ermine
#

i wouldn't say voidstones really introduce immunity mechanics so much as enforce them, given that they begin to appear with regularity in asphodel, after meg/tisi/alecto who all exhibit immunity periods

stable fossil
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^ thank you I knew I was forgetting something

rich briar
#

Fair enough

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I just thought that maybe an enemy that introduces it could be a nice touch is all

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Like I said itā€™s just a thought

stable fossil
#

Burning Blood status effect needs a tool tip or something, dialogue or a codex entry to explain what it does

rich briar
#

And I wanted to bring it up here before making a suggestion

mighty ermine
#

i agree that having something other than hades himself use a wave-based attack that can be dodged through would make sense

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to have it be more of a known entity before then

rich briar
#

Yeah

mighty ermine
#

the only one i can think of is like, middle management boosted giant skullcrusher

rich briar
#

And that doesnā€™t count

mighty ermine
#

which does send out a wave that's near-identical, but of course requires that heat option

rich briar
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Because you need to beat hades first

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And I donā€™t like the ā€œget gudā€ argument for the final boss of a rogue lite

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Thatā€™s a solid 30-40 minutes before you can practice a move again

untold widget
#

@novel python finally caught up with chat

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gg on that hera run you had, lucky tosser :P

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minimum epic boons shadeeyeroll

stable fossil
#

@rich briar I feel like if people knew the dash had invincibility frames then they would instinctively dash through it

rich briar
#

Yeah

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But people are stupid more often than they arenā€™t.

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The laser is easy too, but thereā€™s still an enemy that uses it.

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2 in fact

stable fossil
#

I still have trouble with snakeheads

novel python
#

Tbh usually dashes in roguelikes tend to have iframes

stable fossil
#

right but how would they know that if hades is their first rougelike?

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I have 168 hours in enter the gungeon

rich briar
#

A skull that gets rid of I frames in dash sounds fun

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Very soulsian

untold widget
#

OOF

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i agree but also damn

stable fossil
#

and dashing through attacks didnt even occur to me until I tried it on a whim against hades on my 32 run

rich briar
#

If it werenā€™t for the god dang CART WHEELS

stable fossil
#

because the game didnt tell me it had Ifrmes

untold widget
#

what about a heat that causes your attacks to no longer stagger

novel python
#

I have played both Gungeon and Isaac before

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And it helped a ton

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In understanding hades' mechanics

stable fossil
#

I just assumed it didnt because Athena had a boon that added deflect so I assumed the base dash did not have I frames

mighty ermine
#

heat option that strips zag of all his adp šŸ˜”

rich briar
#

Yeah like I said furi made hades feel like a cake walk

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The boss

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Not the game

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I hate cart wheels

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And shieldy bros

stable fossil
#

why can't I add a suggestion in the feedback channel?

novel python
#

If I have Ares' keepsake on, do I get higher chances to get his legendary?

untold widget
#

need a role Neo

rich briar
#

No

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I donā€™t think so

stable fossil
#

Also some idiot just said Poseidon wasn't an Olympian I just got really mad

mighty ermine
#

@stable fossil read the pinned there

novel python
#

Loki was a demigod right?

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Or am I high

rich briar
#

But Iā€™m not sure how legendaries interact with rarity

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@novel python

novel python
#

Last time I got Hermes Legendary was from Styx shop after I've bought the boon upgrade thing

rich briar
#

Sorry I canā€™t give you a better answer

novel python
#

So it might work the same regarding the rarity

azure bone
#

I don't get the hades wave giving so much trouble. The urns are the bad part of that fight cause of how hard they hit

novel python
#

I've never got hit by the urns atbh

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tbh*

rich briar
#

Well usually it rolls for which boons then how rare they are iirc

azure bone
#

Should only take getting hit by the wave once to notice that it gets way bigger the further you are from it (thicker) and can't dodge through after a certain point

rich briar
#

Idk if increasing rarity increases the chances of a specific boon

mighty ermine
#

legendaries are pretty much always dependent on prerequisite boons, and rarity boosts like the mirror or keepsakes don't increase the chance of it showing up, pretty sure

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since they just modify boons with variable rarity

novel python
#

@mighty ermine so that means that I need more blade boons to trigger the legendary?

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I have the cast and the duo with arte

azure bone
#

Its just RNG @novel python

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At that point

rich briar
#

Same as duos

stable fossil
#

There are 12 Olympians and 2 former Olympians. The former ones are Hades (who never actually got a seat, but as the brother of Zeus and Poseidon is strong enough to count) and Hestia (Who stepped down to make room for Dionysus). The 12 are Zeus Poseidon Ares Hermes Apollo Dionysus Hephaestus Demeter Hera Aphrodite Artemis and Athena.

mighty ermine
novel python
#

Ahcrap

rich briar
#

And unless your name is Haelian I donā€™t recommend trying rng manipulation

novel python
#

I'll get the keepsake just to force Ares to show up

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nvm I can't

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Had it in the beginning

#

I'm dumb af

mighty ermine
#

the keepsake only works once for the guaranteed appearance yeah

stray frigate
#

but still increase rarity

novel python
#

Egg in Elysium?

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Or godkeep

mighty ermine
#

depends on if you want anything else from ares other than the legendary

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if no, probably take off his keepsake

novel python
#

Well I need the prerequisites

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And I've changed it in aspho already

#

That's what I said earlier

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That I can't put it back on

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Because I've used it at the beginning

azure bone
#

For elysium I'd go with something defensive then

supple haven
#

Does egg gurantee chaos gate?

azure bone
#

Like idk, health on urns or spearpoint

#

it does not

mighty ermine
#

if you want those prereqs to maybe be better, then yeah. but they're not going to be nearly as game-changing as vicious cycle itself

#

so i'd say maybe just switch, honestly

azure bone
#

I'd so go artemis

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If you already have hunting blades might as well go full crit buffs for the rifts

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pressure point and such

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or athena to get some deflection in build

supple haven
#

Is there a build where artemis isnt good?

novel python
#

@mighty ermine Ares' keepsake is already off. I've stated that earlier. I had Aphrodite for Asphodel as I wanted her attack. THat's why I've said that it's locked now šŸ˜‚

stray frigate
#

@supple haven crits always works

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Artemida just like Hermes

supple haven
#

Her crits are so good her cast syneries are bonkers

stray frigate
#

always may be usefull

novel python
#

I'll go with Artemis and pray to see Ares at least once more this run, but I need the prerequisite boons to get the legendary

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Or at least one

mighty ermine
#

@novel python ah, gotcha. don't know your preference for keepsakes in elysium. i personally don't really need a defensive one at that point, so i typically pick another god

novel python
#

I took Arte

drifting briar
#

Oi, question about goods from Patroculus - does Kiss of Styx replenish Death Defiances like after I use them? I am sitting on two unused - if I did have to use them later will they replenish, or is it offering to replenish any I have used already/do not have stocked?

supple haven
#

Elysium is most hardest biome those shield champions are very annoying

novel python
#

And Chaos Gate IMMEDIATELY appears.

stray frigate
#

@drifting briar he just restore all misiing DD

mighty ermine
#

@drifting briar only replenishes at that moment

stray frigate
#

if u miss 2 he will add 2

novel python
#

Patro is a run saver

stray frigate
#

if u miss all - restore all

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if u have all - no sense for that gift

novel python
#

What's more important, pom or dae

supple haven
#

Patroculus is both the most useless and most valuable npc imo

stray frigate
#

hammer

drifting briar
#

Okay, I thought so - apologies for interjecting! Ty @stray frigate and @mighty ermine
I guess while have you - should I go hydralite Gold or Cyclops jerky select? :B I play more for survival already so thinking maybe dmg?

mighty ermine
#

for some reason i tend to be in good shape when i come across him, most of the time, and end up taking the jerky because the others are worthless šŸ˜”

stray frigate
#

@drifting briar it depends on ur build and ur hp

drifting briar
#

Sokka, I see. thumbsup

stray frigate
#

if u play Chiron - no sense for jerk

mighty ermine
#

@drifting briar if you're full and you think you can make it to charon's shop with enough coin to buy some food, just get the jerky, i'd say

supple haven
#

Or u can get hp and save the coin to buy a hermes boon from the styx shop

mighty ermine
#

it's just that if they play well enough to not need hydralite, it's pretty much a waste

#

the free attack buff is at least something

#

i'm not saying the coin would be used for food, just that it could be

stray frigate
#

if u ok with HP and DD and do not play with AA u just miss Patrocles

#

and go any else room

pallid dagger
#

can anyone direct me to where i'd go to give feedback on a control scheme mechanic? i don't think it's a bug, i just think something was overlooked.

copper berry
stray frigate
pallid dagger
#

thank you!

stray frigate
#

don forget to read pinned msg

novel python
#

God, the Call Gauge is filling up so fast

stable fossil
#

ares call is best call

#

who plays Hades with a controller and who plays with keyboard and mouse? My brother came into my room and saw me mashing like a god and asked if I was playing Melee on my computer because it sounded like I was trying to wave dash lol.

supple haven
#

Poseiden call is best

stable fossil
#

false

#

Ares is so much more dps

#

and it also makes you invincible

ornate fulcrum
#

Ares has a ton of synergies

supple haven
#

Ares you move so slow

#

Poseiden also makes u imprevious

ornate fulcrum
#

Poseidon you kill so slow

#

btw ares does too

#

checkmate

pallid dagger
#

i had no idea you could play hades with a controller. does it use a ps4 controller hookup?

stable fossil
#

yes

pallid dagger
#

i've been playing it with keyboard and mouse; not good for me, i don't play a lot of pc games

mighty ermine
#

would absolutely recommend hades with a gamepad haha

stable fossil
#

take a ps4 controller and take the cord you use to plug it into your ps4 and plug that into your computer instead

solid cairn
#

controller gang

#

controller gang

stable fossil
#

I'm pretty sure the recommended way to play is with a controller

#

@solid cairn You called?

solid cairn
#

hi

stable fossil
#

where is my nectar for this boon I will bestow?

mighty ermine
#

a whole gang of controllers

pallid dagger
#

give me a minute while i finish having my mind blown

stable fossil
#

is it weird that I play enter the gungeon with Keyboard and Mouse but play Hades with a controller?

supple haven
#

Both games are better with mouse and keyboard

pallid dagger
#

i'm trying to think of how much better my record would be if i'd done this sooner
you'd think this would've occurred to me before

stable fossil
#

@supple haven You can't say that unless you've tried a controller

glad mica
#

keyboard hades is definitely much more difficult to control than controller hades

supple haven
#

I have tried controller

glad mica
#

you can combo and aim better on controller imo

#

but that might just be me

mighty ermine
#

the magic of play preference babey

supple haven
#

Maybe I just dont use controller as much as you guys

#

Thats why im not used to it

glad mica
#

also yeah if poseidon call wasnt so insanely fast it would be better but considering you can miss with poseidon call i think ares is better

stable fossil
#

@glad mica did you know legendary boons have perquisite boons you have to have to even have them spawn?

glad mica
#

yeah

stable fossil
#

WHY DIDNT YOU TELL ME

glad mica
#

i figured that out when i got my 6 cast mega artemis spam build

#

lmao i found out yesterday

mighty ermine
#

poseidon call works pretty handily as an easy burst call like ares if you get a good circle going

supple haven
#

I use posiden call more to reposition than damage

glad mica
#

maybe its just bc i usually dash to reposition bc i usually have like 4-5 by styx

#

lol

novel python
stable fossil
#

I use ares call to oneshot the second phase of elysium boss because he stands still for basically half the duration its easy damage

glad mica
#

^

#

killed him like 50% to 0 with it lmao

supple haven
#

Or u can just use ares cast to do the same thing without requiring charge?

novel python
#

^

stable fossil
#

how do i pull up my best times

glad mica
#

ig but why use ares cast in favor of others like aphro or artemis

stable fossil
#

because my best times all slap yours kree lol

pallid dagger
#

i might as well see where i rank with y'all

mighty ermine
#

@stable fossil weapon inspect at skelly's room

pallid dagger
#

i finished my first run with under 60 escape attempts; is that good, bad, or even?

novel python
#

I've just entered the house, guess what's Orpheus singing

stable fossil
#

my first clear was 22

#

Im on attempt 33 now trying to clear some heat levels

glad mica
#

mine was also around 22 but initially thats bc i spammed darkness to just get all of the upgrades i could

stable fossil
#

My best streak is 5

#

I cleared the game with each weapon one after the other

novel python
stable fossil
#

then turned on the darkness cap to see what it did and forgot to reallocate it after I turned it off and went into my 6th run with no extra dashes, calls, and only one 1 dd and 50 hp

mighty ermine
#

@pallid dagger 60 is... kind of a lot for one victory I'd say, but the fact that you did eventually win, will only continue to improve, and now you have the option of using a controller available to you... bodes well!

glad mica
#

thats not healing its + max health

novel python
#

Yeah I know

glad mica
#

yee

#

i like pbd but i havent even used a fated encounter yet so idk

stable fossil
#

crap im mid run let me finish this so I can compare

native ether
#

Fated Keys

glad mica
#

you guys think hestia aspect for exagryph is good or is eris prob better?

native ether
#

Take Fated Keys

#

Rerolls are one of the best upgrades in the game.

mighty ermine
#

absolutely fated keys

native ether
#

Extra health is nice but not a considerable power boost.

versed ibex
#

is Theseus immune to the companion summons? He didn't take damage from the || Thanatos|| one :(

supple haven
#

What do u reroll?

native ether
#

Miniboss Rooms or Styx wings

pallid dagger
#

theseus only takes damage from behind unless you use an ability that's splashy

supple haven
#

I always reroll gems then turns into keys/gems

native ether
#

Miniboss Rooms because it's guaranteed to be a boon

#

So I can manipulate my build

novel python
#

Ah

#

Good to know

mighty ermine
#

almost always gods into more preferable gods

native ether
#

Best way to force a Duo or Legendary is to reroll an undesirable miniboss room into one you actually want.

glad mica
#

who do i need to gift to get the special ambrosia keepsakes

supple haven
#

Wait so gems/darkness/keys cant reroll into gods?

native ether
#

Nope

mighty ermine
#

no

native ether
stray frigate
#

@supple haven check pins

#

for reroll

native ether
#

It's pinned as well

supple haven
native ether
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The exception to this is miniboss rooms with the exception of Styx are guaranteed to always reroll into a different boon

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Whereas normal gold rooms aren't

supple haven
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Ive been rerolling wrong the whole time

mighty ermine
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rerolling non-miniboss gods can sometimes result in getting like, a heart or obol, but i find it's worth the risk with how many fated authority you can save up

native ether
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There's always 3 miniboss rooms you can encounter

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I always save mine for those if they aren't what I want.

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I'm always hunting for Duos and or Legendaries

novel python
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How many times do I need to give one nectar before they accept Ambrosia?

native ether
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depends on the npc

mighty ermine
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check your codex

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the hearts are a good indicator

novel python
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I've heard people saying that the last heart was locked

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Also, Bouldy boy won't talk to me šŸ˜¦

supple haven
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You gotta believe in the Bouldy who believes in the you

novel python
copper berry
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No more gifts until a future update

granite echo
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im pretty sure it means not implemented yet in the game

mighty ermine
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mhm

novel python
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Ah.

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Bbut... Artemis...

glad mica
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are all of the olympian gods at no more gifts until future update status rn ?

copper berry
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TFW you can't give infinite gifts to her like bouldy limesCrys

mighty ermine
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šŸ¹ bouldy

novel python
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At what level does Hades spear become usable

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I can throw 9 blood into it right now

copper berry
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It is pretty nice at level 3, which is as high as you can get

novel python
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Ah, lmao. I'm dumb.

supple haven
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What

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Isnt it always usable?

novel python
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Usable as in

mighty ermine
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viable

novel python
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To not be bad

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^ thats the word

copper berry
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Sure, but it depends on what kinda playstyle you like.

granite echo
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also is there any use for keys after youve unlocked all the mirror upgrades and weapons?

copper berry
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Like level 3 is where the damage gets to the point where it can definitely benefit more than other aspects if you try to go into that build.

novel python
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@granite echo exchange them to anything else ig?

granite echo
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cause i was running through the thought of using them as trade fodder for exchanges

mighty ermine
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they pretty much become trading currency, yeah

granite echo
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and its like 50 or so to get the important stuff

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cool

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so still a reason to not worry when you get stuck with a single option

novel python
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Aight, how would you build Hades Spear?

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Attack boons benefit the spin too?

granite echo
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(plus fated authority)

copper berry
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Yep

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I am a fan of Hades Aspect + Aphrodite/Athena + Massive Spin

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Then spin2win.

novel python
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Massive spin is the only hammer I'm missing

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Since I never used spin before

granite echo
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is there a faster charge hammer upgrade?

novel python
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But feels smoother on Hades

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It is

granite echo
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cause i feel hades spear should charge faster / be larger naturally

supple haven
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Spin is awkward to use imo til you discover the almighty spin dash

granite echo
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because it focuses on the spin

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achilles aspect is more my jam though with an artemis special boon and the hammer return crit

untold widget
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i wish i didnt have to work, you guys talking about builds makes me so excited to try all the weapons

mighty ermine
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the aspects are fantastic

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adds even more replayability to a game that was very replayable before their implementation

stable fossil
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Nemesis sword best sword

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gimme that 100% crit build

granite echo
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im really excited to see the fourth aspects on everything when they come out

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and the new weapon whenever that happens

mighty ermine
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absolutely

granite echo
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also idk how everyone would think about this

mighty ermine
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the prospect of even MORE content is wild, can't wait

granite echo
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but yknow that like 20% darkness buff on a weapon to incentivize you to choose it

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i thnk it would be a bit more fun if that cycled through the other basic resources (Obol/gems/ maybe keys and nectar too but maybe just make those a flat increase of like +1 to not be too op)

kindred bloom
granite echo
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especially since after a while darkness (well not yet for me i still have the last mirror upgrade which takes a ton) becomes a bit pointless unless you get the special between runs trade

mighty ermine
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i do think that would be a good idea to shake up the selection and give a wider range of incentives, but even +1 to stuff like nectar would effectively double your gain for that run, which might interact a bit strangely with the current trading exchange rates with the dealer

granite echo
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yeah thats why i was a bit too hesitant to include nectar or keys, i think the darkness gems obol are a good trio

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or maybe even just darkness or gems because people might get bummed about getting a cash run because it a temporary resource

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plus some of those gem requirements are nuts

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and gem payouts are crazy small

mighty ermine
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maybe not obol, since that can directly affect a run's success rate, while darkness and gems can't aside from max hp gain and obol tied to gems. which isn't an issue because the +20% gain isn't tied to that max hp gain

novel python
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Lmao, the spear really packs a punch

granite echo
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yeah

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maybe it could be like

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one weapon is the darkness one this run and another is the gems to give you a bit of an option in your buffed runs

mighty ermine
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right

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i do think the darkess bonus becomes super negligible after a certain point like you've said

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i almost never consider it anymore

kindred bloom
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yeah the Hades debuff lasts like 10 sec, pretty crazy for boss fights where it's single-target

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not a fan of having to charge the spin attack tho

digital vessel
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To be fair, once darkness doesnā€™t matter you could view it as you donā€™t need the incentive to weapon hop and know what you like and wanna try, its great for incentivizing learning everything

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But yeah gems and such would be cool no doubt

mighty ermine
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right, it's not so much a complaint i have as much as an observation

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darkness is far more important to new players

stable fossil
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@novel python Just hit styx temple

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gimme 9ish minutes to die to hades again

granite echo
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yeah im at a point where all i got left is the privileged status to unlock adn fated authority (which takes 165,000 total so the 20% boost is a bit negligible)

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itll come just as slow 20% bonus or not

digital vessel
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Oh if youā€™re still unlocking every % helps tho

sand glade
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Y'all. I found out that in the Lounge, there's a place to shop for keys. I didn't know that. šŸ‘€

digital vessel
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Especially if you donā€™t have privileged status that is the best

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All Iā€™ve got is fated authority dump so Iā€™m less enthusiastic but still use the extra darkness weapon usually to keep things fresh

kindred bloom
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@sand glade the Wretched Broker?

sand glade
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I think that's him

grim adder
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does euridice's next 3 boons are upgraded rarity mean the next choice of 3, or the next 3 choices?

sand glade
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I just happened to walk over after dashing into the kitchen and realized he was there

grim adder
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and upgraded rarity, is that +1 level?

kindred bloom
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ahh oki, just making sure there isn't a 2nd shop that only deals in keys haha

untold widget
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rarity != level

grim adder
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+1 level of rarity

untold widget
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oh

grim adder
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I know boon levels are something else

untold widget
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correct

mighty ermine
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i.e. common up to rare, or rare up to epic

kindred bloom
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next 3 choices

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or next 3 gods

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if you're unsure, look at the duration of the boon you get and see what happens when you receive a boon from a god

deep vault
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I just won an ASMR: 12 Bladerifts hurl towards you simultaneously run
it was beautiful

grim adder
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that's a good idea, I'll try it right now

stable fossil
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Starting Hades fight wish me luck gents

fallen rover
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Damn just got a Sub 1min Hades fight on 10 heat

mighty ermine
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i love when hades get melted

grim adder
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ok, that's weird. my next boon didn't consume it (but it consumed my keepsake instead)

mighty ermine
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i also love when he gets charmed and does that goofy little laugh

fallen rover
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Phase 2 was about 10seconds

grim adder
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yes, it's 1 use per choice, even with Chaos

kindred bloom
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oh, so your keepsake had the same effect and that was used first?

grim adder
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seems that way

kindred bloom
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sounds about right

grim adder
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I wonder if it only works for the god the keepsake is for

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that would also make sense

mighty ermine
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@grim adder your god keepsake? the only thing consumed on that is the guaranteed appearance of the god. chance of higher rarity persists as long as it's equipped indefinitely

grim adder
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hmm

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I shall see how that interacts with refreshing nectar the next time I take a boon from that god, then

kindred bloom
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I usually go for the 3 boons from eurydice because it seems like a better deal than 2 boons, and level-ups are usually quite unimpactful, especially when random

grim adder
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maybe the keepsake stops you from consuming the nectar if it's a permanent bonus to boons

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(well, permanent as long as you have it)

fallen rover
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Well the 3 choices are for different scenarios. Like if I already got 2 skills that I want to keep I pick 1, if I have a bunch of boons I pick 2, If I dont have anything I really want I pick 3

kindred bloom
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yeah definitely

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if you've got a good build going already, 1 or 2 would be better I guess

untold widget
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it also partially depends on how much else i want

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cause if you can afford to focus on all the poms you come across, you go rarity over level

pallid dagger
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i'm gonna leave this server but i'll probably come back after completing a few ps4 runs

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this game is brilliant

stable fossil
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is there a list of the requisites for legendary boons?

mighty ermine
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i do like how eurydice's bonuses are all just, good. and none of them are an obvious "no thanks" every time

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meanwhile, sisyphus give me your obol

stable fossil
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right?

kindred bloom
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with the amount of variance and synergy you can get from the multitude of boons now, I almost always pick a new boon over a pom, especially with the depreciation of poms every level

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although half the time it may backfire and I'll get useless boons

fallen rover
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Depends abit on builds

mighty ermine
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oh @stable fossil the wiki is invaluable for looking up boon prereqs

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Boons

Hades Wiki
Boons

Boons are upgrades given by the gods to help Zagreus in his attempts to escape the underworld. They can be obtained as rewards for clearing a room marked with the respective god's symbol or purchased for 150 from Charon's shop. Boons only last for the duration of a run; they...

stable fossil
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finally going to finish some of these boon prophecies

novel python
turbid needle
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Either are acceptable.

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Exposed is very nice, though.

novel python
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Bosses are harder to deal with with Hades spear though

kindred bloom
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Exposed counts towards having 2 debuffs on an enemy for that massive weakness damage, I think

novel python
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Or it might be just me being bad

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And yes, it does.

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That's what I was thinking