or most rare?
#h1-builds-and-combat
stray frigate
green birch
rarest is good
stray frigate
for example
dio leg is pain
u need Cast
u need reliable poison source
and u need to use them both
to make leg work
and athena leg
like athena dash
solid cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/664306151038386197/unknown.png dash attack run
with nemesis sword
double dash with crits
also 7 hp win
pure junco
Whew
solid cairn
it was actually really strong
stray frigate
cool)
solid cairn
but as always I forget to use my companion
stray frigate
haha same 4 me
at least 4 healing
oh boy
double chaos curse for slow
slowest run ever
green birch
stray frigate
also animation of running with slow speed looks funny
stray frigate
reminds me about Dota when i used Hex on POTM
crisp matrix
World Splitter + Heartbreak + Nemesis = win
I never know how you guys do 20min clears, all my clears are 30-50min
stray frigate
and after it she just run with usual speed but hign animation
@crisp matrix use tight deadline)
crisp matrix
tried it once, then vowed never to use it again rofl
I just like playing slow and checking every edge of chamber for coins
stray frigate
@crisp matrix also it may be a problem
when u have to go
but not sure is there any chests chaos gates or wells
stray frigate
but you need to lvlup heat
frail gull
just had a run with scintillating feast + blackout. What a nutty combo. Melted the final boss faster than I ever have before
crisp matrix
dio always good
wooden lodge
is there a way to skip these dialogue scenes? https://i.imgur.com/tedaKbW.jpg
stray frigate
are they too long?
lament coral
doesn't seem like there is
wooden lodge
and if I'm giving up repeatedly to return to the weapon select, I see the same scene over and over again
lament coral
well, there is no escape
solid cairn
wooden lodge
Ok so, Aegis shield, with Zeus's special, plus the hammer abilities that allow your special to bounce more and explode on return = mega screenwipes
stray frigate
u cant have bounce on zeus aspect
solid cairn
Explosive return is the only fun part of shield
sly echo
not zeus aspect, zeus special
wooden lodge
so if I have abilities which boost my special damage, that does mean stuff like zeus's lightning, poison, and anything applied by my special right? https://i.imgur.com/NWmkDkJ.jpg
gray lintel
no, only base damage of the special
wooden lodge
does that affect explosive return's 60 base damage?
last nacelle
I think so. You should be able to easily check.
solid cairn
Eris aspect rail with lightning is actually one of the most fun things in the game
last nacelle
I don't know if explosive return applies debuffs. I would think it would if it uses the damage modifier of your special boon, but who knows, it might be weird.
wooden lodge
ok
this is epic
explosive shield return with zeus special is my new favorite combo
I've never beaten the hydra after only taking like ten damage
this changes everything
RMB to win
lament coral
@solid cairn what do you mean with your suggestion?
solid cairn
you should be able to view the list of minor prophecies during a run @lament coral
solid cairn
hard to remember stuff like duo boons
stray frigate
u have ! mark on those u need
solid cairn
yes but you need the right gods for the duo boons to appear in the first place
lament coral
isn't that more of an issue with how things are explained in the game?
solid cairn
no
stray frigate
well when there are LOT of duoboons u will have them eventually
solid cairn
it's just a bunch more hassle for me
lament coral
for example, you need a bunch of specific boons for duos and for certain other boons to even appear
stray frigate
and when there will be 1-2 left u can remeber them
lament coral
yet that is not explained anywhere in the game
wiki is the only way to find that out
wooden lodge
I just destroyed, annihilated the coliseum fight, took like 20 damage vs the bull and whatshisname
lament coral
I understand not showing you the prerequisites for the boons you haven't seen but for the ones you already used in the past?
that's just stupid
same with exclusive hammer upgrades
grand smelt
The duo boons you find are self-explanatory; reading the effect of Ares/Athena should make it obvious you need a Doom and a Deflect, Hunting Blades description it's pretty obvious that you need Ares cast. It's only before you find them that they may not be.
lament coral
I have memory of a dead gerbil
stray frigate
Giggling Hades is so frekin creepy http://prntscr.com/qknqqg
oh
have 10dia song... still doesnt have 10dia(
winter lichen
Is there a way one can view that screen? I could never figure out how to see my current boons.
lament coral
check the prophecies, I think there's one that awards you 10 diamonds for completion
@winter lichen B on keyboard
check controls
stray frigate
@lament coral i filled all but one for spear
winter lichen
Ah, I couldn't see it on controls the first time so I'll go look again.
wooden lodge
I just beat Hades' first phase and only lost like 60 life, mostly to two dumb missteaks https://i.imgur.com/zHarLKZ.jpg
this build is god tier
stray frigate
also there is no such prophecy
6 for Skelly get killed
2 for his statue
4 for all aspects
and 4 for Contractor
wooden lodge
27 minutes, or 27 hours? https://i.imgur.com/7LpYKV3.jpg
I think 27 minutes
a sub 30 minute run wow
lament coral
the power of Chaos!
crisp matrix
@wooden lodge that's solid. I have almost 30 clears but my fastest is 29m 😂
wooden lodge
just pick shield, choose zeus's special, and hope to get the explosive body and/or multi-bounce shield upgrade
it was ez modo
right click to destroy hydra
I also happened into an absurd number of zeus and athena upgrades
astral fjord
Doesnt more bounces actually slow you down
wooden lodge
I actually got a zeus/athena dual god room three times
astral fjord
Since it may make your main shield go back slower
wooden lodge
it won't return to you as fast
but you build differently for each one
if you get multi-bounce first you focus on applying lots of status effects
if you get exploding body you focus on lots of deflection and dodge
then when you get the other one, it might be by the third area
or the cerberus gauntlet
and with all the enclosed rooms it won't really matter at that point
covert hatch
What should I take for a first sword hammer out of Cruel Thrust, World Splitter, or Double Edge? Dionysus attack boon
wooden lodge
I got explosive to start and got the multi-bounce in area two
crisp matrix
ouch dio attack?
wooden lodge
there, the multi-bounce helped out a ton in the wide open areas
covert hatch
I can see if I can swap it out or sell it for sure
crisp matrix
swaps are relatively rare
I would go double edge with dio
if you hadn't took dio I would go world splitter + aphro/arty
wooden lodge
answer
stable fossil
Does Crit Chance stack?
stable fossil
Like If I have nemesisaspect buff + Artemis Attack Crit does that chance add together or are they rolled seperately?
wooden lodge
20% from a weapon, 5% from a skill, that makes 25%
stable fossil
sweet
lament coral
does it?
wooden lodge
they don't roll separately, but together
stable fossil
uh no?
where are you getting the /2?
@wooden lodge thanks. I'm going to enjoy this 76% crit chance
well
more like 68%
grand smelt
"Weakening my enemies doesn't kill them faster" which is why she has the biggest damage% bonus... and a ton of synergies.
last nacelle
Except on cast for some reason, which is pretty weak.
stable fossil
Aphrodite has insane damage potential
wooden lodge
hm
stable fossil
if you get her epic attack boost it starts at like 98-114% boost
thats literally double damage
wooden lodge
what is the best weapon to try out with Aphrodite to see her full potential?
stable fossil
if you have the shield upgrade where it hits twice and doesnt knockback then you relaly start pumping out the dps
bow with double shot or shield with double hit
alright
wooden lodge
god that bot is dumb
grand smelt
The idea of Weak giving extra damage on other statuses is higher-maintenance but crazy powerful. Artemis' damage is reigned in by not having a whole lot of crit synergy with other gods.
stable fossil
After I finally beat hades I swapped from weapon to weapon and I had a 5 win streak one with each weapon then turned on some heat and lost to the freaking hydra
Hermes is my least favorite
by far
wooden lodge
I want to like Hermes
but I never really feel even a 30% epic speed upgrade for any weapon
movement speed never feels necessary
only the dash feels extremely vital
stable fossil
it lets you save dashes for boosting through damage
wooden lodge
and a few of the support upgrades are aight
stable fossil
being able to just run instead of wasting dashes allows for some high level micro play
grand smelt
Extra special speed is really good on Rail and sometimes on Sword (half the time I dash-cancel the nova's startup anyway, but the other half is using it after a chop so the speed is useful)
stable fossil
because dash has invincibility frames
wooden lodge
the "dash to regen X% of damage taken" one is probably ok but I never notice its effect
stable fossil
hmmm
last nacelle
Abuse with revenge counters.
stable fossil
Never thought about speed on rain
also can we talk about how ares has the best call?
if it's level 3 38 damage per hit
last nacelle
Ares is the best call if your damage is bad.
stable fossil
and you use max call
wooden lodge
wow I'm glad I read the wiki
I did not know there were upgrades which excluded other upgrades
this should be noted ingame
stable fossil
you can run through the entire second half of thesus's phase with just the call
wooden lodge
I wanted to get shotty and infinity chamber rolling
stable fossil
it also makes you invincible
last nacelle
infinity chamber is not good
wooden lodge
it would be great if it worked with the other upgrades
stable fossil
what
wooden lodge
lol
stable fossil
I didn't even curse
wooden lodge
can we just ban the bot
south comet
the bot removed it for having the word s**t
stable fossil
where was it in the sentence -_- might have autocorrect from a misspelled sit
I hate trying to type fast on thsi small phone
south comet
I can DM you your message.
stable fossil
do it
I need to start a new hashtag before they nerf ares
I've noticed sometime that my bonus damage from my call and the bonus damage from hades aspect aren't stacking when i stab things
is this intentional or?
@grand smelt do you know if the damage from Hades Aspect and Call are supposed to stack or not? because either way something isn't working right. Either it is supposed to stack and it isn't or it is not suppose dto stack and it is.
jagged goblet
i I bought the game today and I already love it
grand smelt
It's telling you not to use Spear sweep they probably are idk, hit f10 in-game and report it
stable fossil
but if my max charge sweep does 388 damage and I have the fast charge upgrade ;-; was it a waste?
I just alt tabbed back in to tell everyone that I just crit with a spear sweep for 880 damage
thanks for coming to my ted talk on why you should use the spear sweep
mighty ermine
quick spin with hades aspect is super fun, heck yeah
stable fossil
what is everyone's favorite builds? My is Attack - Aphrodite Special - Zeus/Poseidon (Exploding spear only) Cast - Athena Dash - Athena and Call - Ares
small belfry
any runs i do with the spear never work out and i don't know why
stable fossil
stab better?
the advantage of the spear is the range and quick stabs
it's got way more range than you think it does
and its faster to fire than the bow and doesnt have to reload like the gun
abuse your range to avoid melee aoe's from bosses and the like
and pick a good combination of boons
small belfry
goddarnit
small belfry
i think i had something like an athena+artemis run
stable fossil
cast is worthless unless you upgrade it
Athena dash and Cast are good
Artemis Attack and Dash are okay but not great
Artemis Call is great at max level but meh otherwise
small belfry
it just seems lile i play a lot badly with spear or it seems like the spear doesn't do that much damage
stable fossil
you just need attack buffs
look for a boon to augment your attack and never skip Daedalus hammers
don't spin unless there aren't enemies alive, ie: a new wave is spawning so charge one up while they spawn for free damage, or you've upgraded the spin
azure bone
Imo spin build is better with achilles I find
Because you can use it to reposition, and the damage buff is bigger and affects the first spin hit
rather than requiring two spins to get the damage from the buff
stable fossil
I use Hades when I want to spin build because I dont spam spin, I spin once and then stab a lot
late area combo is cast->dash attack for stagger -> spin for 2nd damage buff -> stab till they die
this only works if you have the quick spin
otherwise the windup is too long to be useful
mighty ermine
yeah, punishing sweep is best used as an opener for bursting down most enemies, and setting up the buff on bosses during moments you're sure there's enough time to hit it safely
which isn't bad at all with quick spin especially
cloud adder
Is anyone ever getting the option to choose "Piercing Barrage" for the bow? I am missing that for the achievement and haven't seen it in the past 15 runs
azure bone
Are you using chiron?
abstract pilot
are you using chiron aspect every run? don't think you can be offered that boon when you have chiron
azure bone
It wont spawn if using chiron bow
stable fossil
what the Hades?! I just got a duo with Zeus and Athena that let's my cast bounce to three enemies. It's leel 3 so it does 153 damage in a small aoe and NOW IT CAN BOUNCE?!?!?!
cloud adder
I was using Chiron, thanks!
stable fossil
uh so
Who else didn't know until their 30th run that there are two pots in the 2nd boss fight that always down some health itmes?
grand smelt
I didn't know until I read it in here
I saw the food item after the fight multiple times and went "???"
stable fossil
who else tried maxing out the heat gauge just to see what would happen
Just had a thought
it's funny that Poseidon and Athena had a huge rivalry and hated each other based on popular myth, but their powers work great as a combo in Hades. Poseidon aspect knocks cast diamond out of foes, athena cast does insane damage at just level 3, 158ish. Pop casty 3 times knock out repeat for high damage. Plus they deflect attacks.
Also did anyone know that with Athena attack buff you can complete negate melee attack if you time it right? I just blocked 4th boss' spin attack with one of my attacks on accident
karmic coyote
Yeah that's what deflect mean, same reason why athena dash is so good
karmic coyote
+3 dash from Hermes with Athena dash and Athena/Aphrodite duo boon makes you pretty much invincible
frozen canyon
^this
stable fossil
"Athena here is grantstanding, trying to prove a point, or something, I don't know?" Artemis is adorable
cool
I now have more than 100% crit chance with my nemesis buff active if I deflect an attack
time to kill hades with my full health and 4 death defies
omg I goofed it
that'sit im going to bed
dying because i took 400 damage in the span of 6 seconds is too much
karmic coyote
I usually get overconfidence when i arrive at the final boss with full dd and lose most or all of them
stable fossil
I got hit by one of the stupid skulls and then ate a stun and boom dead
and I just crashed my game sending a bug report
skull did 25 stun did 60 then he combo'd me fore the rest
I- I'm not going to find a talking piece of Kronos in Tartarus after the next update am I?
karmic coyote
Seems plausible
astral fjord
spawns a chaos gate
my 5th chaos gate
im so sad i wasnt using hestia
woh
lucky
first time im seeing this
epic flourish doe
astral fjord
think you need to lose a death defiance before it can show up
i picked special anyways xd
stable fossil
Me: 36 runs in and still haven't unlocked Orpheus
Them: Hey look guys I got 5 five chaos gates and extra dd!
sitting on 11 diamonds waiting for something to spend them on
azure bone
@stable fossil Constantly buy new drapes, it'll refresh the thing
astral fjord
yeah thats how i got the other contract
stable fossil
@azure bone I feel like that's a huge waste of jewels but on the other hand I want Orph
unborn trellis
until you get hit with the 2500 gem cost things
dull star
You just have to pray that you get the gem troves
astral fjord
unhealthy fixation is bonkers against hades lol
he just cant do anything
everytime he tries he just ggoes back to running around like a fool
chilly summit
Problem with unhealthy fixation is that it's easy to just end up killing yourself
chilly summit
Tho that's a bug
teal laurel
I finally got my dream run
Achilles aspect multi skewer
let's just say that my death aspect suddenly depleted fast
death defisnce i mean
opal bay
I just randomly got a duo out of nowhere what.
oh well nvm, have reason it to be so, but didn't expect it to have two gods talking at the same time lol.
hoary granite
Question: If I take a chaos gate, do the following room options stay the same?
got a daedalus hammer coming up i'd really rather not miss
teal laurel
no
hoary granite
eugh
teal laurel
daedalus hamemrs returns doe
hoary granite
hammer it is then, chaos too dodgy
oh does it
what exactly are the mechanics on that 
teal laurel
2 hammers per run
the first you either get in the first biome
or second
last is in elysium
if you didnt get the first hammer an you are still within the first 2 biomes
you can see them again
hoary granite
mhm I'm in elysium right now
wiki says "it is not guaranteed they will be offered again, should Zagreus choose to not take it."
is that for like, going into the room and not picking it up
prisma zephyr
daedalus hammers can be acquired in all biomes but you can only obtain and have the effects of two of them at max
woeful stirrup
Every time I have not picked a hammer room in Elysium, one of the Styx paths had a hammer.
slender vigil
Most insane combination in the last run:
- Poseidon's Cast
- Lighting strike on any foe that's pushed
- Second Lighting Strike follows up every lightening strike
- Additional Push every time a foe is pushed
- Create a pushing wave every time an enemy is slammed into a wall
Each cast just filled the entire screen with water and lighting, and cleared pretty much every chamber in Styx with 1 cast.
elfin wagon
Nice. Did you get jolted too?
astral fjord
does billowing strength apply whilst you're using your call or only once your call ends
novel python
That moment when you get 510 darkness from spear boi
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/664437061926912024/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 is this worth the trade?
Damage is lower but there's crit
karmic coyote
not worth it imo
novel python
Kept the Special and managed to kill Hades without losing any DD
Also maxed my mirror, now it's time to pour into Fated Authority
stray frigate
@novel python just 165k darknress to max it
novel python
Piece of cake
Now, does anyone have a decent build for Nemesis?
I keep killing myself with it because of short af range
Artemis attack and search for world splitter?
heavy solstice
@noble fulcrum the rail actually used to have a hammer upgrade that reloads ammo when you dash 
stray frigate
rip
astral fjord
literally had 3 DDs
well, had 0 but patroclus saved my but
on high heat patroclus feels like the single most valuable room
novel python
Just got into elysium, give up on hammer / hermes for chaos gate? I don't feel like giving up hammer in hope I could get world splitter
But might be wiser to do so, idk
Nemesis sword, if it matters.
stray frigate
u still get hammer later or in styx
novel python
I only have 1 extra dash also
stoic crest
hey guys, quick clarification about "impending doom"
so it literally delays the damage for 0.5 secs
and in return, all doom effects do % extra?
stoic crest
I've tested in on an encounter and I'm pretty sure I interpreted it correctly 😄
I love doom effects actually
I like it for hit & run tactics
I find it most useful to beat Theseus cause you can simply clip him once every time he turns his back on you and watch his life get chunked out
stray frigate
just not my style i guess
stoic crest
which is fair enough
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/664452877581942804/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 This is.. interesting.
stray frigate
wow nice choice
novel python
I think I'll go for the crit on deflect though
stray frigate
athena dash?
novel python
Special
stray frigate
weapon?
novel python
I use special quite a lot
Double nova is so small though
But prophecy
At least I ticked it off
gloomy scroll
spent spirit is real good tho
novel python
I'm almost at Hades
And his only ranged attack is the skull throw
So not really worth imo
gloomy scroll
still makes it cake to dodge/deflect
woeful stirrup
Double nova is way small. Last run I made the mistake of taking Poseidon dash while having double nova on a special build. Issue is, can't dash anymore because it pushed the enemies too far.
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/664455736948162597/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 I started to win consistently on 0 heat
Now only shield to go for the 10 titan's blood prophecy
dusky hull
How does rarity affect the curse aspects of Chaos' boons if it does at all?
stray frigate
@dusky hull does
novel python
I'd say it gives bigger bonuses after you get rid of the negative effect
Didn't pay attention though
dusky hull
Ok, thx.
novel python
For most Gods, I only need to get the legendaries and I can finish the prophecies
High Voltage, Second Wave, Clean Kill, Greater Recall, stuff like that
stray frigate
keep playin
astral fjord
it comes along with more runs
unless youre purposefully avoiding a boon you'll probably pick it up with or without propheciy
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/664459273895411732/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 I could use a hand here, all of those look tempting
Chaos shield
I'd change the attack tbh, to be able to stack it
And try to find aphro special
chilly summit
Tipsy shot is bae
chilly summit
For chaos shiele, the special is important
novel python
So you're supposed to spam special with the shield ig?
muted needle
Poison attack on shield is pretty good when you have the no-knockback double attack, not to mention any damage over time effect is quite effective when you have the defensive toolkit that shield has, imo.
chilly summit
Not spam attack since you use special a lot
muted needle
Up to mid teen heat I actually really like poison or doom on attack with either Zag or Chaos shield
muted needle
Dash
muted needle
Certainly for shield yeah
novel python
As for Hermes, flurry cast, 25 dodge or passing through epic
I do have dio cast lvl 2
muted needle
Special you want high damage - Poseidon, Aphrodite or Ares (more effective with Chaos or the extra bounces hammer) imo
novel python
This might end up as a cast build again, I've had a lot of success with those
chilly summit
Dodge is good but I like flurry cast. None of those hermes boons seem useful
novel python
So flurry it is
chilly summit
You'll use bull rush to avoid damage most of the time
novel python
it's 0 heat so it doesn't matter THAT much
muted needle
Like imagine 1/4 of the hits you get, just not getting
Flurry cast is one I rarely take unless I think I'm getting Artemis legey and have Exit Wounds or whatever the damage on bloodstone drop is
Probably should more often on the non-shield runs though ^
chilly summit
I mean, there's a chance of thunderdumb
muted needle
I lost a 0 heater the other day thinking, it's cool, it's 0 heat I can take the aphrodite charm legendary
Nope
Got instagibbed 3 times in Elysium/Styx
muted needle
Oh man I suicided a lot trying to finish my last prophecy
muted needle
I could not get the Zeus/Athena bouncing cast to save my life
stray frigate
i just need 1 hammer upgrade for spear(
novel python
For spear you might want the flurry jab
And combine it with something stupid like zeus
muted needle
I'd take eclipse there
stray frigate
it's only upgrade i didnt make
muted needle
If it's a low heat run
stray frigate
wait
stray frigate
flurry is u cant use spin?
novel python
yep
stray frigate
is it possible to use with hades aspect
novel python
Should be, but y ou won't be able to spin anymore
digital vessel
You’d lose the benefit of hades aspect
novel python
Hades was the bonus dmg after spin right
astral fjord
why would u flurry jab hades
muted needle
yolo
astral fjord
the aspect is the epitome of spin2win
stray frigate
i just need this flurry for prophecy
novel python
So take eclipse or flayed again for better boons and a shot to legendaries?
digital vessel
Do it with Achilles or Zag at least lol
novel python
Hell even addled
astral fjord
addled is ok but your attack is your primary source of damage
stray frigate
what good Eris build?
stray frigate
like usual rail
novel python
Getting another flayed would guarantee that all the boons I'll get from now on are epic +
astral fjord
i mean, eris is the usual rail
chilly summit
They should replace dio with Dio on April first
novel python
I do, because I don't have any other rail unlocked
muted needle
😦 I love zag rail tbh
astral fjord
zag rail is pretty trash since it messes up the flow of the rail imo
digital vessel
Festive fog, Aphrodite or dio on special, Zeus on attack is nice for rail, esp if you get triple special and special slows enemies hammers
Did that the other day
astral fjord
you wind up standing in place too much
muted needle
Not if you never play the other rails 😄
digital vessel
Lol
muted needle
I actively dislike playing Eris
digital vessel
Fair, I meanwhile find the Zag aspects boring
astral fjord
i actually do not like any zag aspect
digital vessel
Same, can see the merit stats wise for like shield but do not find it fun
muted needle
I don't disagree that Eris is strong, probably the strongest rail -- but having to hit yourself with the special is just as bad as having to pop a round off to reload at the start of a room with Hestia -- talking about the "flow of the rail" all of that just seems unnecessary and clunky
astral fjord
i use the zag shield sometimes to see if i can finally do a revenge run
muted needle
Zag at least you don't have to reload often
And you can take useful hammers rather than infinity
astral fjord
not "revenge is a great support dps" but a run that relies on revenge primarily as source of damage xd
or just dont take infinity, like ever on anything
digital vessel
I’ve never taken infinity and only will for prophecy
muted needle
Also Zag synergizes so well with shotgun stagger poison
digital vessel
For Eris you can get used to playing closer range against folks
astral fjord
thats how much infinity bullets is worth to me
muted needle
Which is the most fun 100% way of playing rail
digital vessel
I got used to it after playing Hera triple shot bow with extra special shots and just doing point blank backstabs in melee
stray frigate
@muted needle zeus attack and supp fire
astral fjord
but have you tried eris poison
muted needle
@stray frigate also a classic
stray frigate
posion rail good too
astral fjord
eris also boosts poison and lightning damage
which makes eris objectively better for attack builds like those two
muted needle
I just like how mobile rail can be and eris kinda messes that up the way I play
digital vessel
Doom too if you get that consolation prize lol
I’m more mobile in eris Cos I’m repositioning more to be where at least one of my specials is gonna be
Tbh
astral fjord
but zag rail is the most immobile rail tho :?
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/664465974052782080/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 which one of the prophecies is worth more
Wallop?
astral fjord
minotaur
digital vessel
Yeah Hestia is most mobile and Zag least imo
muted needle
only if you sit there spamming attack - I honestly just use it because to hell with reloading and I 95% of the time am just dash attacking
astral fjord
yeah hestia playstyle involves a lot of reload cancelling which means a lot of dashing
eris involves runinng in and out of the blast zone
digital vessel
I mean I reload when I’m dashing or moving so I don’t really notice
astral fjord
zag is the only rail that doesnt promote moving constantly
muted needle
@novel python I like minotaur for that
digital vessel
Also shoot while mobile
novel python
Tbh I do dash around a lot when using rail
Because of the dash attack
Even when using Zag
astral fjord
you can cancel reload animation with either special or dash
digital vessel
Yeah, it just has less incentive for you to be constantly moving vs the others is all
Once you bind reload and practice with Hestia it makes reloading on any aspect just a reflex thing that doesn’t really get in the way
muted needle
As I said it's just a playstyle preference and I'd rather rarely/not have to reload, I basically play zag rail like hestia except with poison/doom rather than ares/aphrodite on attack
astral fjord
whenever people talk about mobility i always think
"man shield is so op"
why is such a safe weapon also mobile
chilly summit
Kbm is p good tbh
digital vessel
Lol play how is comfy that doesn’t matter
digital vessel
I use controller but just for my comfort
muted needle
I tried so hard to find a good key to rebind special to but I just can't find something that works for me
astral fjord
i feel the same with reloading thats why i dont play hestia as much and just use eris primarily for rail
RMB
digital vessel
Yep Hestia was my “let’s practice manual reloading” run weapon
chilly summit
@muted needle right click?
muted needle
I've got like 14 buttons on the mouse but I feel like putting more than 1 input per finger makes it clunky
digital vessel
And now I play eris lol
chilly summit
I got cast on middle click
muted needle
right click cast for me, mouse 4 is keepsake and then Q special F call
green birch
I think special is on shift for me so I can use my pinkie without moving
stray frigate
what is pinkie?
muted needle
My pinkie would get an incredible workout that way
green birch
Your smallest finger
digital vessel
Too many times with Hestia i find myself being like screw damage I need more shots out and don’t have triple special, then thought hmm why am I playing this tho (do love it for bosses obv)
stray frigate
oh
astral fjord
why manual reload if you can just run out of bullets, dash use special then continue blasting because while you were doing all that u also reloaded ur gun, AUTOMATICALLY
stray frigate
funny
digital vessel
Yuppp lol
muted needle
But I feel like I'd be fatiguing it a lot until I got used to it
astral fjord
i only do hestia if i wanna see big numbers
muted needle
That's not a bad idea though
muted needle
world splitter is bae
digital vessel
Hestia and Hera are great for big number runs, but world splitter nemesis tho
Yup lol
muted needle
As great as seeing big numbers is though my favorite thing to do is kill things offscreen with the bouncing Zag spear
astral fjord
man i was so sad because last i used nemesis i got aphro attack and 2 chaos attack boons
digital vessel
I had a kinda borked nemesis world splitter run last night until the last hammer and boons I got, when it clicked and I had spearpoint I went into Styx with no defiance and won and was so happy
astral fjord
but didnt get world splitter
muted needle
get poseidon or aphrodite on special and just yolo off the screen
And wait for my loot to appear
astral fjord
my fav is chaos aspect just randomingly homing into stuff out of screen
even tho i aimed at a side with nothing on it
muted needle
Sorry yeah I meant instead of pos or aphr
astral fjord
doom is a curse
digital vessel
Mm gotcha
astral fjord
if you want to use it for privileged status just find impending doom
digital vessel
Right right debuff = curse I keep flipping between classic wow and this lol
muted needle
I was saddened earlier tonight to realize that the two doom duo's don't play nicely together
I was about to take the athena doom duo and thought maybe I should look up whether it ruins the aphrodite duo
astral fjord
trust me, merciful end is all you need
digital vessel
I love ares if I can get the Aphrodite duo, otherwise I don’t care for much past his cast and call
astral fjord
dont bother with aphrodite/ares duo
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/664468830805950465/unknown.png decisionmaking in this game is killing me
astral fjord
it doesnt do as much damage as you think it'll do :/
novel python
@astral fjord don't forget that if you have pressure points it can crit
digital vessel
No but it does give a constant stream of fun numbers lol
novel python
For a crapton of damage
astral fjord
whatll crit
digital vessel
If I’m doing a bunch of Ares I’m not being very “optimal” anyway
novel python
Doom
Weren't you talking about aphro ares duo when doom hits constantly?
continuously*
digital vessel
Yeah that duo with all dmg can crit and extra damage on weak is nice
astral fjord
so does poison crit too?
digital vessel
All dmg
astral fjord
oh pepega
digital vessel
That boon is so good
astral fjord
then dio/aphro with pressure points is underrated
digital vessel
That’s the only reason I like ares lol 🙂
astral fjord
artemis
novel python
The boons will be epic at least
astral fjord
wait theres a gate too?
novel python
ye
novel python
mid ely
astral fjord
unless u want to fight minotaur
green birch
Take boons not gate
muted needle
yeah I'd prob go artemis at that point
green birch
Ely is too late for a gate unless u have egge
novel python
No egg, zeus keepsake hoping for Dio Zeus duo
digital vessel
Keepsake order is such an interesting meta game to me
novel python
Also TIL you can't have 2 of the same chaos boon
digital vessel
I usually do egg -> one god I need (when in doubt Athena for dash) -> coin purse -> broken spear
If I really want to make a specific build happen I have sometimes dropped egg to have two rounds of god keepsakes
fresh coral
Skelly's Tooth has saved my butt too many times so I usually take it as my last keepsake
astral fjord
you can have a chaos effect stack on one property but the curse will be different for each one
I like spearpoint best on styx
untold widget
ive been back and forth on whether shawl or tooth is at the end of the day more hp
astral fjord
gives you time to run to the well when u get poisoned
digital vessel
I find spear to more reliably save my butt on hades esp, another defiance without the invulnerable is just gonna prolong the inevitable unless I have an op build lol, plus the snakes and poison are so easy to ignore
fresh coral
Shawl is real good when you pick the darkness buffed weapon and get a good darkness chaos buff
novel python
pressure points
novel python
rank 3
digital vessel
If you’ve got aoe or quick attacks at all the support is amazing lol
astral fjord
support fire might be better
novel python
It can crit too from PP
fresh coral
Support fire is also good on shield from my experience
digital vessel
Support fire is also top five most hilarious to watch
And yeah support fire with pressure points do it
astral fjord
nutttttt
digital vessel
Did that last night lol
And triple special
They blocked out everything visually
Also had pressure points lol
astral fjord
the only thing i want better than that is poseidon attack with seastorm, poseidon legendary and splitting bolt
digital vessel
Mmm Poseidon suddenly becomes so nice when you get rupture and Zeus duo lol
astral fjord
yep, being able to apply privileged status using a single attack?
count me in
i had a run with spread/explosive fire, poseidon attack, sea storm, jolted&rupture, and poseidon legendary
before that run i thought it was impossible to constantly slam hades against the wall
digital vessel
Niiice
astral fjord
also had double strike which acted like a pseudo splitting bolt :D
digital vessel
^_^
Was pleasantly surprised when I had Aphrodite call and/or legendary on hades, but not as good as wall slams lol
astral fjord
it was fun times
digital vessel
It didn’t kill hades quicker but I do love hearing and seeing his confusion
astral fjord
i was lucky and got aphrodite legendary right before i had to fight hades
on my nemesis run
astral fjord
so i didnt have to go through the pits with charm on my primary source of damage
and aphro trivializes hades
digital vessel
Was nice to stop those giant rats and satyrs for a bit too
astral fjord
he tries to spin? nope hes running the opposite way now trying to fight an imaginary enemy
novel python
It moves in slow motion
astral fjord
oh yeaaaah
digital vessel
I loooooove The slowed projectiles duo
astral fjord
same with hydra
digital vessel
It’s my most gotten one
astral fjord
:0
digital vessel
Up there with deadly reversal
astral fjord
i had artemis/athena, athena/aphrodite duos earlier on the same nemesis run
before hydra fight
astral fjord
basically was getting free 20% crit whenever something threw a projectile
digital vessel
Yup that’s the stuff lol
astral fjord
well, more like 50% cause i had deflect on my special
so everytime i deflected i refreshed nemesis trait too
digital vessel
Without that and spearpoint I was not gonna clear my run last night, was tired and rushing and hit more traps than I realized and got bad boon offerings til like Elysium lol
astral fjord
spearpoint is lifesaver my guyyy
digital vessel
Had both those duos plus support fire and pressure points
astral fjord
thats nutty
astral fjord
i like keeping artemis coming too h a h a
digital vessel
Got so many gods that run after asphodel but main one until Elysium was Poseidon which was eh
Got my one I needed from Athena and Artemis up front then struggled in between lol
untold widget
got to hades for the second time last night!
still got slapped but
i think i did better?
digital vessel
Only started the heat climb and dumping darkness into the room change thing so I don’t have a bunch of alter chances lol
Gratz!
untold widget
i had a hera bow build with artemis legendary and exit wounds and quick reload or whatever it is
digital vessel
Ooh the dream
astral fjord
if you ever hit a wall, just play shield
untold widget
my plan was just to pop him with as many casts as possible then kite as it they fell out
astral fjord
oh thats nice
untold widget
but it was only my second try so i dont know the fight well enough to not just get bodied lol
digital vessel
Shield and spear I find great for when I’m struggling
astral fjord
i love exit wounds
digital vessel
First clear was with hades spear
astral fjord
especially on hera/poseidon
digital vessel
Which felt fitting
untold widget
yeah im mad, i took a screenshot of the build before the fight, but i think i forgot to save it
im on a shield run now, i dont have any good boons yet though
astral fjord
first clear was zag shield(well i hadnt unlocked aspects at the time)
you on steam?
should be able to see if on the library if you click on hades
untold widget
it wasnt a steam screenshot, i forgot about those
astral fjord
oh then oof
untold widget
it was just a printscreen
untold widget
i got so many ares boons too but none of the ones i wanted
astral fjord
last i checked
untold widget
yeah i know, but i forgot to actually post it somewhere after i copied it
novel python
Does the Zeus Poseidon Duo work on the shield's knockback?
novel python
Ohsh1t
untold widget
yeah kree geez
astral fjord
you kiss your mother with that mouth?
digital vessel
I wanna try festive fog on Hera, but most fun I had was def Zeus cast with Artemis double cast, extra chain lightning bounces, jolted, rapid cast, exit wounds, Hermes legendary
untold widget
i was dashing around with blade rifts that sucked enemies in and were 20% larger lol
digital vessel
Hera-wise anyway
untold widget
made the vermin super easy in styx at least
digital vessel
Not rapid cast durr
astral fjord
oh did you get to pick up hunting blades?
digital vessel
My memories are turning to soup I’m getting over a sinus infection :’)
digital vessel
Upside: worked remotely so hades on breaks
astral fjord
noice
digital vessel
I’m realizing I haven’t played with Poseidon or Achilles aspects yet
I have them but I’ve never used em lol
digital vessel
Ah just for mobility and then apply curses with attack and special?
untold widget
whats hunting blades again?
unborn trellis
heat-seeking Blade Rift duo boon with artemis/ares
digital vessel
I imagine bouncy special and flurry attack would be best for spear casting?
Again just for cursing
astral fjord
no, flurry attack is bad on achilles
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/664477455687352330/unknown.png?width=862&height=483 hades was slow af lmao
untold widget
oh right ive wanted to do that one
astral fjord
you want big numbers in bursts
thats why i do casts on achilles
cause casts have the biggest base damage
digital vessel
Gotcha, so focus on damage multipliers and crit and cast boosts
astral fjord
the rush bonus only lasts for two attacks
digital vessel
And Achilles is basically just there for solid melee and mobility
astral fjord
can also do spin i guess but cast is much more effective on utilizing the damage bonus
achilles is there to boost your casts :D
digital vessel
If I’m spinning am I gonna miss hades tho lol 😛
astral fjord
well, your 2 next casts after rush
digital vessel
Mm tru
astral fjord
so its not a machine gun cast build
digital vessel
Just bursts
astral fjord
but it does big boy numbers
had hunting blades ticking for 100+ damage
with achilles
digital vessel
Oh man that with either hunting blades or with Artemis cast plus double cast
digital vessel
Two boosted casts that heat seek, can crit, and each fires a slightly weaker double
astral fjord
yeah i think its the highest base damage cast
digital vessel
If you get poison going with that too it’s so nice
The only time poison isn’t just “I need privilege”
digital vessel
I’ve used keepsake when I want him in particular
astral fjord
u underestimate how much poison does my friend
digital vessel
It’s nice it’s just also not as great as quicker damage except on bosses
astral fjord
someone here told me he could get poison ticking for 100+ on elysium
astral fjord
think the build was to do poison on attack, get some sort of consistent weak source and duo boon lets u stack poison 8 times
digital vessel
Mhmm love that
astral fjord
yeah with eirs
astral fjord
eris poison becomes very good
novel python
@astral fjord Also, use the shotgun hammer
astral fjord
dio call is stronk
novel python
Insta full poison
astral fjord
spread fire is my fav hammer upgrade
digital vessel
Or melee range backstab triple shot bow
astral fjord
in the whole game
digital vessel
Which I’m in love with
novel python
Spread Fire Dio attack Aphro special
digital vessel
Or yknow special
honest sluice
Last run I died when he had 20 hp remaining. 2nd phase 😭😭😭
Father why are you so mean
novel python
You're kidding me. I'm 1 gem away from purchasing the Aphrodite Poster.
I'm a fighting teenager. I have ... needs.
novel python
120
untold widget
oh thats not bad at all
honest sluice
I have so many gems and for the last 7 consecutive refreshes contractor has only had diamond plans lmao
novel python
No gems at all
untold widget
😔 ✊
novel python
Let's see the prophecies though
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/664481099015258124/unknown.png I'm dieing 😂
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/664481563186036756/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 this should be in front of my bed, not here
digital vessel
Realizing now that during that almost lost run last night while sick I forgot to use companion at all lolol
:’)
novel python
Maxed Chiron
Time for bow hue hue
Hmm, what works well with that 🤔 Zeus? Poseidon?
Hell, Artemis?
digital vessel
Zeus and Poseidon can be fun, Aphrodite and dio I enjoyed a lot (attack and special respectively), and yes Artemis is always nice
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/664484163264708618/unknown.png Aaaaaa help pls im sad
Flourish or Leg
astral fjord
Fully loafed
novel python
Why can't I get this on a Hera run
digital vessel
Special prob wouldn’t be bad if you get the hammer for more special shots, would blow people up, but leg is good for anything
astral fjord
Fuck having a chiron bow shift towards cast build
novel python
If Hermes gives me flurry cast here I'm gonna scream
digital vessel
And I prefer to get curses on special
astral fjord
On chiron doom is the best flourish
digital vessel
And Artemis dash I want to love but not much on bow lol
novel python
Doom with stacking boon?
novel python
Ah
astral fjord
But doom is good i guess if you get that
novel python
So aphro attack with dio flourish?
astral fjord
But chiron focuses on single targets and doom wants to be applied to the whole room to be used at full effect
Yeah that sounds gucci
Artemis attack is always good on bow
novel python
First time getting a legendary in tartarus lmao
astral fjord
Because bow has a good base damage to crit on
untold widget
is there anything that bow special is good for? i usually think its just bad. are there good bow aspects/boons for special?
novel python
@untold widget melee range shotgun
untold widget
whats that?
astral fjord
Lets you have some encounter clearing power
astral fjord
What kree is suggesting is to force the bow to play as chiron bow lmao
Oh you cant auto target? Dw just go up in their face and blast them
untold widget
ive picked ares's keepsake my last couple runs and its always like supports or dash
astral fjord
Oof
untold widget
maybe like attack when i had shield
astral fjord
Ares dash is a travesty
untold widget
and thats when i want doom special haha
novel python
Whenever im playing stuff like Hera cast build Ares NEVER gives me his cast
I wanted to go for a beyblade build so much
untold widget
i had ares dash in my last run, 2nd time i got to hades at least
yeah same
i wanted ares cast
or even just art cast
i got athena cast though
astral fjord
Ares cast is pretty meh if you cant get hunting blades
untold widget
yeah i wanted to try for hunting blades
astral fjord
Hunting blades makes hades fight free
untold widget
yeah, im basically alternating chaos shield and hera bow until i beat this ing game lol
untold widget
i need bloooood
thats true
i need to like
actually play sword for once
and beat a fury
untold widget
so i can level up shield
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/664486574733393950/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 that's so sweet, family reunion
untold widget
i have 2 shields right now, need one more blood for another
astral fjord
Just exchanfe ambrosia to titan blood hehe
untold widget
i havent unlocked any companions yet
astral fjord
It takes a while
novel python
You need way more Blood than Ambro
untold widget
yeah
novel python
So just exchange it
untold widget
what?