#h1-builds-and-combat

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novel python
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Better? v:

dull pebble
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Yeah playing with 800% trap damage in elysium can be so rough

novel python
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800% trap damage in styx

icy edge
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That's why you run plume and pray for a good dodge boom

novel python
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Please

dull pebble
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I always choose the athena boon and try to get deflect on my dash when I run that

wispy wagon
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I used the owl pendant and ran into Athena multiple times

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Just never got dash

dull pebble
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Hate to see it

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I think my favorite boon in the game is the Blade Rift cast for Ares

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I killed the final boss in like 70 seconds with it which is crazy

novel python
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Hmmmm I feel like doing a beyblade build

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As in ares + artemis

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Hera bow

untold widget
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ares cast, athena dash, aphro attack :feelsgood:

novel python
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Maybe some aphro

dull pebble
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Artemis is by far my favorite god

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Although some of her boons can be really underwhelming I feel

silver crag
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Oh sorry for swearing. Didnt read the rules.

wispy wagon
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Aphrodite is my favorite god to find

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For certain weapons anyway

dull pebble
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I feel like with the rail Supporting Fire can be amazing

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Where as when it's on bow it can be rough

wispy wagon
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It is, if you use Eris' the 60% damage bonus applies to Supporting Fire

dull pebble
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Oh I never realized that

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Good tip

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I always used Eris regardless but I didnt realize it buffed arrows

turbid needle
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It's 60% of all damage.

dull pebble
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Oh yeah, I can feel it.

stray frigate
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is it me or Athena Leg protecting from many stuff still deing active?

novel python
turbid needle
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Cerberus, Dusa, Athena.

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Nyx.

wispy wagon
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Orpheus is one of them

turbid needle
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And Orpheus.

novel python
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Ah, so mostly from the house

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Thanks

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What would be the easiest condition for a heat 1 Hera run?

turbid needle
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If you just naturally play quickly enough, first level of Tight Deadline is 2 Heat.

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Otherwise, maybe Extreme Measures.

stray frigate
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blue hearts imo

dull pebble
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Blue hearts is really good on certain weapons

silver crag
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So yea, i think i couldnt save because the infernal chest was activated. Maybe. Not 100% sure. Just upsetti my run is kill. But i dont mind starting the run over I was on the first floor anyways and the gameplay loop is fun.

dull pebble
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If you run rail blue hearts is a really minor inconvenience

novel python
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@turbid needle I have roughly 35-40 min runs

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So I'd rather not do Tight Deadline tbh

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xd

dull pebble
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I just run heightened security and get 2 skulls from it and then after that run blue hearts

turbid needle
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Okay, that's fine.

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One point of Heightened Security isn't bad.

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I'd go with Hard Labor, Calisthenics, or Forced Overtime.

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They're all there, but very low intensity options at one point of Heat.

dull pebble
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Yeah

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It depends on how you play really

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If you're really good at speedrunning then run deadline

novel python
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ive went for Overtime, let's see how it plats

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plays*

dull pebble
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For only 10% it's not too bad

novel python
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Willing to try to get a blade build

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Let's see how it works out

dull pebble
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Just kinda messes with your reactions sometimes if you're used to an enemy attacking at a certain time

novel python
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What do I need from Ares to make it work?

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Besides the cast

dull pebble
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Uh

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Lemme check for you

novel python
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The vacuum iirc?

dull pebble
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Yeah

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I mean

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Most of them are optional

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The big one is the one that makes damage ramp up the longer the blade hits them

turbid needle
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If you really wanna use Blade Rifts, you should shoot for Hunting Blades, his Duo with Artemis.

dull pebble
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Thats the one that shreds bosses

novel python
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Hunting blades is the homing blades?

turbid needle
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Yes.

dull pebble
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Vicious cycle

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That ones super solid

novel python
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Might be, but it's a legendary

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Any way to force it tho?

dull pebble
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Doubt it

novel python
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Also, I suppose I want explosive arrow for dae? And what else

dull pebble
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I think Olympian Favor helps your chances

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But I may be misreading

pure junco
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@novel python You can open the codex to see who you have not given a gift yet.

dull pebble
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^

novel python
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@pure junco Ah, I did not know

pure junco
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It's the heart, you just need one for their gift.

dull pebble
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Also the first keepsake is from ||Cerberus||

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So that's a really easy one lol

pure junco
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They were already listed for him.

dull pebble
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Oh dope

novel python
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Doom on attack or doom on special? First boon, both Epic

pure junco
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What aspect?

novel python
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Hera

dull pebble
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^

pure junco
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What weapon xD

novel python
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Ah, there are more heras? Bow

turbid needle
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There are not.

pure junco
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Sorry

chilly summit
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Special

turbid needle
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Curse of Agony.

chilly summit
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Doom on special since you can apply it to multiple ppl at once

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At least that's what I do

novel python
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Tbh special is prophecy so I might go with that but the attack seemed good enough too for some extra damage

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I mean 90 damage for early game is nothing to joke around with

dull pebble
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Yeah

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Ares boons are some big boy stuff

novel python
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For early game though

dull pebble
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It's probably better early game cause it's a lot more but a lot weaker

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So as long as its not Chiron it's probably really good

novel python
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Using the cast to empower Hera counts as using it ig?

stray frigate
novel python
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Gz buddy!

dull pebble
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Good job champ

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Huh

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Im not sure actually

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I don't use hera so just experiment with it i suppose

stray frigate
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i forgot posion rail is strong

dull pebble
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I think anything with range and consistent damage does super well v hades

stray frigate
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what are u about?

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distant memory?

novel python
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Quick reload is QoL for a cast build ig?

turbid needle
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Sure?

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Wait, you've got Hera, right?

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Yeah, that's not bad.

novel python
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Yeah

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It's either that, pressure points epic or special heroic

turbid needle
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Oh, Pressure Points.

unkempt pagoda
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hera's lowered cast drop time stacks with quick reload

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if you want, you can see how fast casts can drop

novel python
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So PP is an always grab?

unkempt pagoda
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PP is always a good choice, 5% happens more often than one thinks

turbid needle
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Yes.

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Almost always, and with a few Poms it can get really silly.

dull pebble
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Whats the highest crit chance you can get from pp alone?

stray frigate
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depends on lvl

turbid needle
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Is there a Pom level limit?

dull pebble
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I doubt it

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But I mean theres only so many poms you can get

novel python
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Zeus cast dash or attack, all 3 epic

dull pebble
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Uh

novel python
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id say get the cast so I can at least have something better than the base?

dull pebble
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I mean it depends on the weapon

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DIdnt you say you were going for a blade build?

novel python
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Well, zeus appeared, and Ares can exchange that later

dull pebble
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Yeah

novel python
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Into a Heroic cast

dull pebble
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It depends

turbid needle
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Hera? Cast.

dull pebble
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Ig its just fate at that point

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You could just get an ares next room lol

novel python
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Also is Sissy an always pick just like patro and eury?

turbid needle
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It's free health, a slightly-better-than-average Obol, and a Bouldy boon if you've got that far.

stray frigate
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is there any good Diamond upgrade i should know about?

novel python
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Around 28 runs, 2 escapes. Bouldy didn't talk to me yet

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😢

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Obol?

turbid needle
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Gold.

novel python
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Ah

turbid needle
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For 10 diamonds you get the final boss music, the second half of which is the second best song Darren's ever put out for SGG.

stray frigate
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will it add in shop suddenly?

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or what should i do

novel python
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What do I have to do to make Bouldy talk ( or at least, receive Nectar )?

turbid needle
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It's the most expensive song, so it will show up after you've bought most of them.

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Just keep playing.

novel python
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Ah, alright then

serene nexus
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Untrue. It’s entirely RNG. It was the first song I got after I got the music stand. Counts to afford it though

stray frigate
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@turbid needle so i have to focus song buing rn?

turbid needle
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To get God of the Dead, yes.

stray frigate
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and there is nothing more usefull here left i guess?

pure junco
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Music sheets and contracts.

novel python
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Is Explo Shot the best choice for Hera?

pure junco
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If you are talking about diamonds.

novel python
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Or how does Flurry work on it

grim adder
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explosive shot works well with most things

turbid needle
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Flurry and Explosive Shot are mutually exclusive.

novel python
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Ah. I got both on the same Daedalus

grim adder
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but I really like it for spreading status effects, like scatter shot + poison gives you lots of application

novel python
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Along with the pierce special

dull pebble
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So fellas

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I got the curse of agony on my exagryph

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and infinity chamber is an option

dire cedar
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@cinder arch I just read yoru feedback. What I did to farm diamonds/blood was to horde money till I got to Styx, then bought the diamond/blood there. Diamonds are 1000 and blood is 1500. If you buy a diamond, next time will be blood and vice veresa.

dull pebble
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but so is inescapable blast

novel python
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I've just had Doom crit for 400 from Pressure Points

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This is

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Okay

pure junco
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Anybody else not play on max brightness?

turbid needle
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Take Inescapable Blast.

stray frigate
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@novel python 1000! crit from trap

turbid needle
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With Infinity Chamber you want something nutty like Zeus.

novel python
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Zeus and Support Fire

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Moist

pure junco
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What run should I do? Not rail.

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I'm listening to Lament of Orpheus so I need a weapon to vibe with.

novel python
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Is it better to get the + boon rarity or the 4 boon level up from Eury? I just got Heroic Pressure Points and I'm not sure if I wanna give that away

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It's also lvl 4

stray frigate
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@novel python here is a trick

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for Euro

novel python
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I know I can reset those

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But I don't know which one's better

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I mean, the boon upgrade or the level up

stray frigate
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boon upgrade is lvlup no?

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but not for 1

novel python
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Boon upgrade is the rarity upgrade

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By lvl up I mean the +1 you get

stray frigate
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rarity scmarity

novel python
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As in pom

stray frigate
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it's almost the same

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common PP is 3%

novel python
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Also I've just noticed that heroic pp does nothing

stray frigate
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rare is 4

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epic is 5

novel python
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Epic is 5%, with 4 poms it's 9

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Now it's heroic and it's 9 too

stray frigate
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but u still can upgrade common PP to 5 no?

novel python
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I guess you should be able to, why not

stray frigate
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so what difference

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between lvl and rarity?

novel python
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Idk, really

dire cedar
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@stray frigate Rarity upgrades, espeically for main abitliies, is a significant improvemnet. Pom upgrades has diminsihing returns. Lvl 1 to lvl 2 is as significant as rarity upgrade.

novel python
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But I got 4 upgrades from Eury so I'm ok with that

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attack special cast and PP

dire cedar
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so simple rule of thumb: If you have 4 or more boons, always go Pom porridge, unless you think future boons are more important.

If you have 2 or 3 boons, get rarity upgrade. Espeically if you are reliant on 1 boon and have been pom'ing it a lot, you want that upgrade. and a 2/3 chance is pretty good.

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IF you hate your boons get the nectar.

stray frigate
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also dont forget Euro abuse trick

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it works pretty good with 1 and 2

novel python
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When is it ok to pick up Premium Vintage to be worth it?

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As in is Aspho too late

turbid needle
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Not at all.

novel python
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I can get either that, call or dash

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dash epic, other rare

turbid needle
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Call if not PV.

pure junco
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Is it worth taking a basic specially ability in the start of Asphodel or wait for a chance at it later?

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This is a special-based build.

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Other options are epic blade rift and epic blade rift dash

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I think blade rift dash is neat.

candid merlin
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How does Hestia work with never reload hammer

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I guess you completely lose the bonus?

stray frigate
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no u can reload

turbid needle
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You manually reload.

stray frigate
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manually

novel python
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god duel dio zeus or Patro? I'm at almost full hp with all my DDs, I might take the duel.

candid merlin
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Ah, still a waste then

stray frigate
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but it may be sensless y

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@novel python duel yes imo

serene nexus
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Is it better to fire a burst of a couple rounds with Hestia and reload or to manually reload each shot

stray frigate
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i still cant understand

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how ppl play with that aspect

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for me it's hard to reload even with Zag max aspect

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and reload after every shot

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it's madness

candid merlin
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I guess it's like a sniper-intended build

serene nexus
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It helps to have a reload key bound to an extra mouse button

pallid sky
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guys where do you bind your reload on controller

serene nexus
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I usually do a three round burst and dash cancel reload

stoic ginkgo
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I bound my reload to R2

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Moved codex to R3

pallid sky
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i used stick click but i find it kinda uncomfortable

stray frigate
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whatever i just stay with Zag

solid cairn
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I bind it to L3 @pallid sky

pallid sky
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good idea

solid cairn
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fellow controller gang meta

stray frigate
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also how does Eris work with rcket upgrade?

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@solid cairn where is ur Nemezis :c

solid cairn
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you have to hit the wall or anything else

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with the rocket

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I've been maxing stuff other than nemesis

turbid needle
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You need to be in the rocket's blast radius whenever it goes off.

pure junco
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^

dull star
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isn't it to just hit yourself with the rocket and get dmg?

turbid needle
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It's still quite big, and you have the advantage of instantly shooting a wall next to you for the damage boost.

stray frigate
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@dull star y

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i have 18 blood for now

novel python
turbid needle
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Static Discharge.

pallid sky
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static discharge

novel python
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Is the damage up that significant

serene nexus
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I believe boons start falling off leveling wise at around level 4

pallid sky
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its way more than shot

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its just delayed a little

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pp is marginal

dull star
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tbh im not sure if its that worth for the 1% more crit

turbid needle
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i'd say 10% is more than enough universal crit chance.

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I usually cap at 7 or 8.

dull star
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usually when i go a crit build i go Nemesis and i don't see the extra 1% helping that much

turbid needle
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Crit chance on the rest of your moves doesn't hurt.

stray frigate
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crit poison ftw

turbid needle
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I wouldn't rely on Pressure Points as my primary DPS.

pure junco
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Does pulverizing blow get overridden by Poseidon attack?

turbid needle
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Not technically, the second blow will probably just miss.

pure junco
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Wot

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The exact wording is "Your Attack hits twice, but does not knock foes away."

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So the attack doesn't kb or does the 2nd not kb?

copper bolt
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No it does not get overridden

kindred matrix
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All hits do not kb by base

copper bolt
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You still get two + Poseidon knockback

kindred matrix
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But poseidon applies a knock back

rich briar
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The Poseidon knockback isn’t effected by the Daedalus nerf

copper bolt
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It stacks

pure junco
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Neato

kindred matrix
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Its a minus not a complete removal

rich briar
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It’ll only realistically hit if you pin the enemy against something though

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So I’ve been having trouble with the big carts in elysium because they don’t bump into walls in the same way that the Minotaur or small carts do.

turbid needle
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Or bosses. which would be actually useful instead of Athena or Aphrodite if he had the best damage values

pallid sky
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armoured big chariot is the most dangerous enemy in the game imo

turbid needle
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It's up there, man.

pure junco
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Just dash omegalul

pallid sky
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xD

stray frigate
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shield guys is pain too

rich briar
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Yeah without Athena Iframes or Hermès movespeed buffs it’s rough

turbid needle
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Maaan, they've got tighter turning radii than Asterius.

rich briar
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Base speed with 2 dashes is barely slower than them

turbid needle
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Gotta dash through them and hope to Chaos that the i-frames play nicely.

stray frigate
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or use relief

rich briar
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Which is why my brain tells me to make them do the mariokart bonk against walls and pillars

turbid needle
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Except that doesn't stop them, no.

rich briar
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But they laugh instead and do 45 damage

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Because my dash is on cd

turbid needle
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90 if you're playing on Heat!

rich briar
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Yup

turbid needle
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Hope there wasn't an egg nearby.

solid cairn
turbid needle
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Is not bad.

pure junco
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^

stray frigate
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if u max all ur weap

pure junco
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I had a 20 darkness for 3 keys, that was nice.

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You don't need to max all your weapons haha.

solid cairn
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I think I've seen ambrosia for 500 darkness

pure junco
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Noice

rich briar
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Is ambrosia you titan blood 1 to 1?

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I forgot and can’t check rn

solid cairn
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you need like 180 titan blood to max everything

stray frigate
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does Zeus Q works fine with Chiron?

rich briar
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I think so yeah

pure junco
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I just did butterfly room without letting any guys spawn, in like sub 30 seconds.

rich briar
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The only thing that Chiron is bad at is support fire

pure junco
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I don't think specials stack with each arrow hit.

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I might be wrong.

rich briar
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They do

pure junco
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Ah

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Epic

rich briar
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Special boons stack

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It’s why I like dio with it

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And ares if you can get the +4 Daedalus

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Support fire doesn’t stack with it though

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Which makes sense

novel python
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I've had Doom crit for 1050

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Didn't think that's possible

pure junco
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Doom can crit?

rich briar
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I’ve had it do 1k base lol

pure junco
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I suppose with pressure points.

rich briar
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With Chiron aspect

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And the stacking doom

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Don’t remember the name

novel python
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Anything can crit with PP

rich briar
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But the only things I can see being really OP with support fire is poison and blade vortex

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I don’t think Chiron aspect would be too bad

novel python
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Quick question, I've already found the sack and the other two rooms left ( boon and hp ) are the elites. Do I just buy the hp from the shop and go fight or try to clear the others too? 2 DDs, 212/225 hp

solid cairn
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Zag would be a sick ballerina, I mean look at him when you charge spin attack and spin around

pure junco
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Don't bother with the rooms.

novel python
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Alright

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Let's make him meet his maker

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HP vs Pom?

rich briar
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What build and what level are your main damage boons?

pure junco
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HP

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More DD heal

novel python
rich briar
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I would go with health under most circumstances

pure junco
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Lvl 6 PP nice

rich briar
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Uh

novel python
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Ares didn't give me cast 😦

rich briar
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Yeah health

novel python
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So no beyblade build

rich briar
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It’s a safe bet

cosmic dawn
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@short gorge Regarding your post in #hades-feedback; have you tried pressing B when doing a run?

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B as in the keyboard key I should specify, not the Xbox controller button

novel python
kindred matrix
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You cant get

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Hunting blades unless you take slicing blade on cast

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Congratz btw

rich briar
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Nice clear!

pure junco
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First time picking up hunting blades, it's great.

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That was claps thanks to hunting blades.

novel python
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Is it only me or it's almost always hermes first thing in Aspho

sullen marsh
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what do yall do about the charging chariots? the only way i can avoid taking damage from them is blocking with the shield weapon

dull star
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im only getting keys or gems first in aspho as of late

pure junco
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11 clears in 35 attempts (basically 33 because I suicided two runs).

novel python
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Should I make-do with a heroic Aphro cast on Hera?

pallid sky
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how the heck is aphro cast "making do"

novel python
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Tbh I wanted to get Ares' cast

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But Aphro does it nice too

pallid sky
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i had a run with aphro cast and the artemis extra cast thing

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it was pretty dumb

novel python
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I even got Ares trinket but he refuses to give him the cast

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Give me*

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Tf, I've just lost a DD to lava because my life just dissapeared instantly

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Nevermind, forgot about Abyssal Favor.

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TIL Lava counts as a trap.

wispy wagon
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Yeah, it's why 800% damage can be a pain on Extreme Hydra

stray frigate
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also some Hades things counts as trap

tawny ivy
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@sullen marsh they'll stop after awhile; lead them into mobs or dash across gaps in the floor to get ahead of them

stray frigate
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those green things

sullen marsh
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@tawny ivy even the mini ones? because its seems like they 🎵 just keep coming and wont stop coming🎵

tawny ivy
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@sullen marsh Ah. Yes. Hm 😂
they self-destruct when they run into pillars, corners and such so... that's one way iguess

novel python
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Or even special

stray frigate
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Hera?

novel python
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ye

stray frigate
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ur duo should work very good

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u instaproc same doom and weak with 1 charged auto

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imo

silver crag
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Anyome got any strats for the shield fellows on floor 3? I think i lost my run because they did something, but i dont know what, due to having like 6 tipsy shots on screen.

stray frigate
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@silver crag u just let them make their move

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dodge that

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and hit their back while they stunned

silver crag
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Easy enough. Thanks dood.

stray frigate
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it's not rly easy

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their combo is fast

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and sudden

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also they have 2

dull star
stray frigate
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3 wave attack

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and dash with spin

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what trinket bonus?

dull star
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trinket?

stray frigate
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keepsake

wispy wagon
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Pierced Butterfly

stray frigate
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i know what it does

dull star
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20% didnt do too well early

wispy wagon
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Oh I misread it

stray frigate
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i wanted % of attack he get

wispy wagon
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Yeah my bad

stray frigate
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20 is not much

dull star
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get 30 something a run almost every time

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as you can see i lost 2 DD early one to meg and the others and one in asho to the lava dmg

stoic crest
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guys, is it just me or is the lightning rod duo boon kind of... underwhelming?

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collectible "casts" strike lightning ever 1.5 secs

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it just feels so awkward to use

dull star
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got it once for fated list

stray frigate
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esp with Hermes Leg

dull star
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never since

stoic crest
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you have to either miss your cast (or wait for it to come off) and then keep an enemy around it for... 100 damage every 1.5 secs

wispy wagon
#

You don't really want to have your casts sitting around for minor damage

stoic crest
#

I'm tempted to sell it for 430 gold when I get the chance

#

yup, exactly

dull star
#

do so

stoic crest
#

will do

#

ty!

wispy wagon
#

I think the only time I got any novelty use out of it was +1 cast then +3 cast from the Legendary, and even then it'd be better just to keep grabbing and casting more.

#

But it was funny to have a mediocre minefield

dull star
#

minefield doing 200 or a little more dmg every 1.5 and having to try not collecting them is a bit useless and annoying imo

wispy wagon
#

Oh absolutely

#

But I wanted to give it a chance

icy sedge
#

Once i defeated Thesus just with lightning rod while fighting the bull

#

Its not 100 useless

wispy wagon
#

Was it regular or extreme measures?

#

Cause pretty sure extreme would just move away

icy sedge
#

Regular

#

Extreme measure i always go with Thesus first

novel python
#

Is it worth taking the longer weak if I have curse of longing or should I go for the aphro-dio duo?

dull star
#

never liked killing him first

#

even extreme

wispy wagon
#

Usually I do him last because Extreme Theseus' mortars aren't all that hard to deal with

stoic crest
#

is it usually better to level up a boon as much as possible, or space out your level ups (when you get a pom of power)?

#

I get the feeling that higher levels have diminishing returns

wispy wagon
#

Yeah the higher the level the worse the bonus gets

#

I think it's around 4 where the biggest drop is

stoic crest
#

yup

#

so spacing out seems like a good option (depending on what you can level up)

icy sedge
#

But bull has too much hp and Thesus is way annoying in extreme and way easier to kill without shield

wispy wagon
#

Dunno, just always felt better to me to do it in that order

#

Maybe everyone else does Theseus->Mino and I'm just the weirdo

dull star
#

well it depends on the build/luck you have this run imo

#

almost every time i kill the bull for about 30/40 sec

#

but ive been having great luck for the last 40 ish runs

wispy wagon
#

I suppose the order can also slightly change if you run into Mino as your mini boss

#

since then he starts with like 20% less health

dull star
#

welp i didnt know that one

stray frigate
#

damn bow is so slow

#

and those Q cannot be cancelled

dull star
#

pff since i maxed out Chiron its been the easiest weap to play and kill the bosses with

wispy wagon
#

Pray for Artemis and get that sweet dash damage up

#

Then enjoy the dash dance bow life

dull star
#

not even with that

#

killed him with dio

wispy wagon
#

That is for any bow

dull star
#

hades i mean

wispy wagon
#

Chiron of course is all about those fun special synergy

#

like Weak Attack and Poison special Low Tolerance

dull star
#

and the 4 extra arrow form the hammer

#

the dream

stray frigate
#

oh boy gods trial with 3 shielded guys

pure junco
#

Yikes

icy sedge
#

I hate shield guys

pure junco
#

Never anger Athena too.

stray frigate
#

25 hp for T&M

wispy wagon
#

Angering Athena in Elysium is a special kind of pain

dull star
#

i died once to Ares and little chariots

wispy wagon
#

Thinking about it I'm curious what enemy I've died to the most

dull star
#

Well to me it'll probably be the wavemakers when i started playing the game

stray frigate
#

lost 2 dd(

trim coral
#

prefer hestia or eris aspect rail?

dull star
#

Eris

wispy wagon
#

I usually use Eris, but both are good

#

As long as you're not using Zag

trim coral
#

lol

#

5head zagreus aspect

neon bough
#

Zag's aspect is the best rail aspect change my mind

dull star
#

Bruh zag is the best one

trim coral
#

how does hestia's empowerd shot work

stray frigate
wispy wagon
#

Tell me the truth about Zag Rail

#

Enlighten me

neon bough
#

Zeus attack

stray frigate
#

u just shot

neon bough
#

???

#

that's it

stray frigate
#

and shoot

trim coral
#

does hestia even work with infinite chamber

#

wtf

dull star
#

Or crit

stray frigate
#

y

trim coral
#

how does hestia work w/ infinite chamber

wispy wagon
#

hm, usually dash reload makes me not think about the clip size at all

dull star
#

I dont think it does

stray frigate
#

@trim coral u can reload

#

manually

trim coral
#

oh

stray frigate
#

still

wispy wagon
#

but I can see why someone would use Zag rail

#

It was mainly just a joke because I've seen people hating on it before

dull star
#

Well i see ppl hate on nemesis

neon bough
#

zag aspect + hammer that gives +6 and faster attack + hermas attack + zeus attack = everything is constantly exploding including your brain in bursts of endorphin

wispy wagon
#

True

#

I don't actually hate any Aspect I think

neon bough
#

except zeus shield

#

nobody talks about zeus shield

wispy wagon
#

Well I can get use out of Zeus Shield in a "numbers" sort of way

dull star
#

I think i hate zag spear and every shield

wispy wagon
#

Technically it does double the damage of a regular shield throw per tick

#

But that comes with it being really awkward

neon bough
#

yeah but enemies tend to not stick where you want them to

novel python
#

Sad, build wasn't strong enough

wispy wagon
#

How to use Zeus shield

novel python
#

Got papa to 1/4 hp

wispy wagon
#

just grab 60 damage on return and spam throw

stray frigate
#

@wispy wagon to proc some weak?

neon bough
#

@wispy wagon :
-don't take zeus shield
-take chaos shield
-???
-profit

stray frigate
#

or use as shield with athena?

wispy wagon
#

To be fair Shield of Chaos is insanely good

stray frigate
#

Nikolay has a point though

dull star
#

Dont take any shield imo

wispy wagon
#

Take the Shield of Chaos, always

neon bough
#

but chaos shield with doom tends to be boring after a couple runs with it

#

also not that strong later on

dull star
#

Shield is 0 fun change my mind

neon bough
#

I tend to only play cast builds nowadays

wispy wagon
#

Suppose it doesn't matter, I just did 32 heat today with shield

#

I suppose I need to do 32 heat with every weapon to truly understand

neon bough
#

with doom on special ?

wispy wagon
#

Nah it was Aphrodite on special

sullen marsh
#

does anyone have trouble gifting Hermes sometimes? I havent had trouble gifting anyone besides him

dull star
#

Doom special, Athena dash and the duo for them is a speed run strat

wispy wagon
#

Neat, maybe I'll try it some time

neon bough
#

yeah but it's boooooring

wispy wagon
#

I just sorta started with Aphrodite - Special and rolled with it

dull star
#

I mean doing speed run strats doest make the game more enjoyable

neon bough
#

true

dull star
#

Just makes it faster/easier

neon bough
#

you do gotta go fast

wispy wagon
#

Being fast can be fun, but I wouldn't wanna use it 24/7

#

Not like I'm gonna be breaking any records

dull star
#

Well i saw a guy beating the game in 9 mins

stray frigate
#

@sullen marsh what trouble

dull star
#

Don't know what's the wr tho

sullen marsh
#

@stray frigate Sometimes I just cant gift hermes some nectar, like ill earn or walk into a room with a hermes boom and the git option isnt there even though i have a gift

novel python
#

What would be the best spear choice, upgrading zagreus to max first or unlocking the others? I mean are the others good enough to be used without upgrading?

stray frigate
#

@sullen marsh mb u already did this in this run

#

@novel python imo 2nd and 3rd both wanted to be maxed

wispy wagon
#

I only did 1 run with it but I've been hearing some talk of Cast - Achille's spear

dull star
#

I personally hate zag sper

stray frigate
#

i just bad with spear(

novel python
#

Special build with zag spear

#

kek

wispy wagon
#

Lightning fast bounces

dull star
#

I hate the special for spear

novel python
#

It's just that I have 4 blood and I can get 2 more from ambro

dull star
#

I love 1k crits with hades

novel python
#

I can get 1 more upgrade into chiron

#

To get it to 5 arrows on special

dull star
#

Chrion bow best bow

novel python
#

When does it become actually usable and not jack sh1t?

stray frigate
#

4-5 lvl

dull star
#

It's aways usable you just nees to be lucky

novel python
#

3 arrows on special? Noty

#

Does peanut damage

dull star
#

Bruh 4 extra nad crit

novel python
#

IF you get the hammer

dull star
#

I said if you get lucky

heavy bough
#

does knockback not automatically stun? i had a nice build with stupid amounts of knockback and rupture all around but it doesnt seem like it always stun locks enemies unless i use attack. this was with a chaos shield

dull star
#

If not its still possible you just have to tryhard

#

Tbh never tried a knoxkback build seems useless vs hades

#

Or any of the bosses in fact

heavy bough
#

lol yeah i have a bad habit of building for ads more than bosses

pure junco
#

Doesn't Hades not take knockback?

heavy bough
#

nah

pure junco
#

Huh

heavy bough
#

i dont think any boss gets blown back by knockback from what is saw

dull star
#

When you build something thats busted against bosses it should be good against adds to

pure junco
#

^

novel python
#

Not really, since vs bosses it's mostly single target burst ( or should be ), whereas for ads you usually build AoE

#

Or at least I try to do

pure junco
#

You can def do single burst for ads

dull star
#

^

heavy bough
#

but yeah stunlocking enemies on attack e.g. interrupting them. is that just an attack specific/wep specific thing?

novel python
#

It's just more time consuming

pure junco
#

Only rail can't stun lock.

heavy bough
#

i really thought crashing enemies in the wall with knock would stop their attack wind up

dull star
#

They got shield?

stray frigate
#

dont spend all in one place mate

pure junco
#

Nice gold

heavy bough
#

nah i noticed this specifically on the spear guys in 3rd floor

novel python
#

Toss a coin...

heavy bough
#

like i usually kite them

pure junco
#

Now alter the rewards on passageways for more gold.

heavy bough
#

but i went in with knock and still ate a their attacks

pure junco
#

Oof

#

They might have had armor.

stray frigate
#

bought all

pure junco
#

Armor cancels stunning enemies.

heavy bough
#

right i forgot about armor -_-

pure junco
#

Satisfying?

stray frigate
#

1288 still have

pure junco
#

Armor is OP

#

So is the pact of punishment "take no damage for a hit"

#

They don't get stunned in that too.

novel python
#

What would be an easy to win with rail aspect? I couldn't finish the game with the rail so im stuck at 0 heat there

dull star
#

I was thinking of armor but said shield mb

pure junco
#

Use Hestia

#

Get Arte attack

#

Win game

dull star
#

Use full zag

novel python
#

I guess it needs upgraded?

dull star
#

Get zues

#

Win

pure junco
#

Zag lol

novel python
#

Get Flurry

pure junco
#

Ew

novel python
#

Wait no flurry, the no reload thing

#

And it's the same as max zag

pure junco
#

Hestia is strongest, Zag is pretty good.

novel python
#

even better

pure junco
#

No reload flurry is pog

dull star
#

Dont love hestia

novel python
#

Doesn't hestia require upgrades though

#

I'm out of blood

pure junco
#

Yea

#

It's only good if you have it high lvl.

dull star
#

Isnt hestia bad without Artemis

novel python
#

I guess both eris and hestia require upgrades from what I see

#

since the bonuses are pretty meh until you upgrade

pure junco
#

Hestia isn't bad without Artemis.

#

Arte, Ares, and Aphro, remember the three As.

#

Eris looked fun to me until I found out the power of Hestia.

stray frigate
#

Took Chiron to play with special

dull star
#

Welp everytime i play hestia i have to struggle to kill dad with dio athena or zues

stray frigate
#

ended with Hunting blades

novel python
#

Kek, and when I'm trying to do a blade bow build Ares refuses to give me the cast

#

Cute

dull star
#

Bow dio buld just 1 shots everything

novel python
#

Tried that

#

It was my first win

#

xd

stray frigate
#

toxic fungus

novel python
#

No wait

stray frigate
#

...

#

cute

novel python
#

That was spear

#

2nd was Hera Dio Zeus duo

#

How does arte cast with arte attack work on Hera?

dull star
#

Did dio with a ton of cast dmg vrom chaos

novel python
#

I mean is the combo worth it

#

Poof

What enemies?

#

That run, I was lucky enough to get dio lvl 5 from Tartarus

dull star
#

Haven't had the chance to try that

#

With arte

novel python
#

Dio zeus duo with double lightning and legendary

#

Was a moist run

dull star
#

I had only dio stuff and some secondary stuff

novel python
#

I really need to get used with going into melee range with bow to use secondary as shotgun

#

It does some hefty damage in late game

#

Especially with Privileged Status

dull star
#

Just get max chiron

novel python
#

I still have work to do until then

#

Still need blood

dull star
#

Easiest wins you'll get imo

novel python
#

Is there an easy way to get blood

#

Well

#

"easy"

pure junco
#

Farm runs, increasing heat once very run.

dull star
#

Fated list

pure junco
#

That too.

stray frigate
#

@novel python 0 heat run to Charon

pure junco
#

That's pretty slow honestly.

stray frigate
#

without beatin Hades

pure junco
#

1 blood every 20-45min.

dull star
#

Not even 45 mins

pure junco
#

I said 20-45

dull star
#

I mean what if you get a gem

pure junco
#

A gem?

stray frigate
#

gem is ok too)

pure junco
#

A diamond?

dull star
#

Same thing

novel python
#

so I need to fnish with sword rail and shield to get 10 blood

pure junco
#

Gems don't = Blood

novel python
#

And I need to go through every pact of punishment once

#

To get another 10

#

And I need to win with those

stray frigate
#

@novel python i made A LOT of 1-2 heat run

dull star
#

Ye its bad and equal to wasting time

stray frigate
#

for every pact condition

pure junco
#

Just doing runs with increasing heat (if you win) is much faster.

#

If you finished prophecies.

novel python
#

I didn't yet, as I said I still have to win with all the weps

#

And to go through the pacts

#

For blood

pure junco
#

Yea, winning with all is a huge boost.

novel python
#

I just need to find a way to win with the rail gun

pure junco
#

I should probably do the pacts, I have been putting it off.

novel python
#

Also with the sword I end up killing myself

#

because of low range

dull star
#

Peirced butterfly helps the rail dmg

novel python
#

It's only 1*

pure junco
#

I hate butterfly haha, I somehow manage to take damage like every other room, not that it's a lot.

#

It's 2% if you max it out.

novel python
#

Distant memory?

dull star
#

If you get 25 before aspho you'll be good

pure junco
#

Distant memory is not great because you are not that far away when using rail.

#

Not as far as you might think.

#

I like plume just because it makes every run super easy.

dull star
#

For me the butterfly makesy runs a walk in the park

pure junco
#

I have not tried it yet.

dull star
#

And if i dont play like trash

#

I get really easy runs

#

But that's my personal preference

novel python
#

I was aiming for support fire

turbid needle
#

Yes it is.

dull star
#

Crit rail with shot gun is really good

turbid needle
#

I finally got Deadly Strike shotgun and it is amazing.

#

Artemis is always amazing.

dull star
#

Best grill btw

naive cobalt
#

I almost got that combo today, but I had to complete my prophecy instead 😭

novel python
#

I got Maimed Eclipse, Last boon I'm missing from Chaos but AAAAAA It's every time you Attack you lose HP

#

It's gonna be some long ass encounters

wooden lodge
#

what I want is crits for main attack, infinite railgun ammo, and shotty

pure junco
#

I want infinite ammo, attack speed, and range.

#

With 9999 damage.

#

And every shot explodes across the entire game.

dull star
#

Ye and everytime i hit i want to get the dmg that i deal i healing

stray frigate
#

u want too much

#

simple invulnerability will be enough for me

dull star
#

Life steal is better imo

#

And another thing i be dreaming about is having kratos from god of war in the game

gloomy bone
#

I keep getting nectar after doing Gem Infernal Troves. Any ideas why?

stray frigate
#

@gloomy bone house upgrade

dull star
#

Cuz you're having amazing luck

stray frigate
#

iirc

spare cobalt
#

There's a small chance on opening a trove of getting some nectar.

#

Very small chance.

gloomy bone
#

I didn't see it on the wiki's list, and I don't remember purchasing it.

#

I've gotten it three times this run!

#

In a row!

dull star
#

Luck guy

#

Got it like 3 times in 70 runs

gloomy bone
#

Wow. First time for everything, I guess. My luck is typically pretty terrible.

spare cobalt
#

Huh. Does look like the wiki doesn't list it yet.

gloomy bone
#

It is just Nectar... but still. Gotta pump Meg full of the stuff

stray frigate
#

Nectar may be way to get Dia

#

also Meg is good choice for Comp

dull star
#

Or to give baldy

stray frigate
#

Bouldy is better anyway

#

best girl

dull star
#

Baldy and Artemis best girls

stray frigate
#

Bouldy ... may be Dusa

pure junco
#

Doubtful

dull star
#

Oh dusa is up there too

stray frigate
#

You cant trust Olympian

dull star
#

She cute tho

gloomy bone
#

Dusa is just on another level though

#

If they add an actual benefit to giving more than one nectar to her I'll actually start doing that though

untold widget
#

how do triple arrow et. al. work with hera bow?

#

only the main arrow gets it?

#

what about explosive arrow?

gloomy scroll
#

they do not duplicate the casts

untold widget
#

nor the damage?

stray frigate
#

only mid arrow

turbid needle
#

All three arrows explode.,

stray frigate
#

load cast

untold widget
#

what about hera explosive arrow?

pure junco
#

They explode but don't dupe casts.

stray frigate
#

but triple works with Chiron

#

but only one arrow can mark

#

any

pure junco
#

Sadly

#

That would be weird if it split though

stray frigate
#

Chiron with no special hammer upgradefailbag

kindred matrix
#

F

stray frigate
#

5 heat but...

#

ok for me

pure junco
#

Nice job!

stray frigate
#

39/82

#

almost 50% of successfull runs

scenic pecan
#

Is there a way to predict when you're coming up on a boss fight? Like is it the same level/room everytime?

#

Debating whether to shop before boss or go for another boon and gather more currency

stray frigate
#

@scenic pecan try count rooms

#

Tab button may help

#

numbers may change a lil everytime

scenic pecan
#

Okay. Tab didn't seem to do anything, but when I opened the boon menu it says I'm in room 22

stray frigate
#

@scenic pecan so once u reach boss room u could say when it comes next run

scenic pecan
#

Ah. So there is no documentation on which room it is?

stray frigate
#

I didnt ever count it for myself

#

but you can

#

mb there is somewhere such info

#

but idk

#

@scenic pecan wiki says 14 for Furies

#

25 for Hydra

scenic pecan
#

Gotcha, thanks. Also, does anyone know what constitutes 'quickly clearing a room' for Hermes keepsake is?

turbid needle
#

24 for the Hydra.

unkempt pagoda
#

the hermes keepsake has a timer underneath its icon for every encounter

stray frigate
#

@scenic pecan u have timer

#

near Trinket

scenic pecan
#

Ah, so you don't see it until you enter a room

#

Gotcha

stray frigate
#

@turbid needle as i say numbers may be little different

#

or wiki info becomes old

turbid needle
#

Almost never.

unkempt pagoda
#

there used to be a hard time limit for each room (i believe 30 seconds?) but it meant that by elysium or even asphodel, the trinket was pretty much useless

stray frigate
#

@unkempt pagoda asphodel is ok

#

but it's rly hard to up it in 3rd lvl

scenic pecan
#

Is Hades the end of a run, or is there something after him.

stray frigate
#

for now it's only death

unkempt pagoda
#

hades is currently the final boss, yes

#

full ending after him will be released on the full game

scenic pecan
#

Okay.

pure junco
#

@scenic pecan I believe room 34 is near T&M.

scenic pecan
#

I reached him once and he seems kindof like a cheating jerk compared to the other bosses.

stray frigate
#

he is ok

#

he is just strict dad

eternal stag
#

i'd say less 'strict' and more 'actively unkind and abusive'

stray frigate
#

just take Athena dash and win

#

@eternal stag he has hard job

#

no weekends

#

Wife had left

turbid needle
#

Definitely actively unkind and abusive.

#

Let's not make excuses for that.

stray frigate
#

Son is just.... Zag

eternal stag
#

i'd say aside from murdering you, actively belittling you and your interests is beyond the pale

stray frigate
#

I Like Hades

#

not game

eternal stag
#

and your friends, and your goals,

stray frigate
#

i mean game too

scenic pecan
#

Er... I suck at roguelikes, particularly because I am not good at ad-libbing a build, and the game relishes in interfering with my attempts to aim for specific benefits frustrates me.

turbid needle
#

It's made clear that Hades treats Zagreus extremely poorly.

stray frigate
#

But char

scenic pecan
#

Room 22, all I was trying to di this run was get a duo boon, lol

#

Still no dice, lol

stray frigate
#

dice?

scenic pecan
#

Phrase for, "Still no results, still failed"

#

No dice=No luck

stray frigate
#

ah see

#

thx

#

what duo did u want

#

oh u just reminded me

#

i need 1 more duo to prophecy

scenic pecan
#

I'm just working on unlocking prophecy, so any besides Zeus/Dio

stray frigate
#

Zeus Dio is strong

scenic pecan
#

Right now I have Poseidon/Zeus, but no duo options.

#

It is, but I had that one already, so no good for prophecy

stray frigate
#

Pos Zeus requires Rupture and Jolted to be strong combo

scenic pecan
#

So, two of the boons I already have.

#

Rupute, Jolted, Poseidon's cast, Zeus's revenge

turbid needle
#

Yeah, sometimes the game refuses to give you a duo boon, and sometimes you have one by the Bloodless miniboss fight and three by Elysium.

stray frigate
#

wait

#

dont u need

#

Zeus Attack Q Zeus Dash or Cast?

pure junco
#

Yea

scenic pecan
#

It drives me bonkers. On one hand, I get that the randomization is part of the difficulty, on the other... I want to experiment with builds.

pure junco
#

You can't get duo with revenge I thought

#

Only for Ares

sharp flint
#

i have a question for god keepsakes like blood filled vial does the 20% chance for rare or better always there or just the one time where it makes that god orb spawn

pure junco
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It's forever, while you have the keepsake, the one time use is the next boon.

stray frigate
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@sharp flint always

fathom veldt
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^

sharp flint
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thx

wooden lodge
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hAdEs lOvEs HiS sOn In hIs OWn WAy

scenic pecan
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Oh, I had no idea, I've just been working on getting as many of them as possible. I also have Zeus's call

pure junco
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It has to be attack cast or special, unless you get Ares.

stray frigate
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@scenic pecan for most duo u need 1 basic boon from every god

sharp flint
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also is there a max on how many times you can gift if yes how many times?

stray frigate
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Attack Q cast or Dash

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@sharp flint gift Nectar?

sharp flint
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yeah

pure junco
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Check the codex.

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Hold C if you are on keyboard and mouse.

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It's the hearts.

stray frigate
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there is no much sens to gift nectar to olympians

pure junco
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Only once for keepsakes.

sharp flint
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ik but it doesnt tell me how many hearts i can fill in the codex

stray frigate
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There are only 4 chars u can do it to get Comps

pure junco
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It's a lot, Necro.

sharp flint
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by lot wdym mean?

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10?

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20?

pure junco
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Like, a lot.

sharp flint
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100?

pure junco
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No

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It's like 10 or something

sharp flint
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oh ok

pure junco
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You can only give someone a nectar once per run, I think.

sharp flint
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nah you can do it multiple times

stray frigate
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7 iirc

sharp flint
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thx

stray frigate
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but there is still no sense

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sens or sense?

green birch
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sense!

stray frigate
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thx

pure junco
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Sans?

stray frigate
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no sense to waste nectar on most chars

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4 chars for comps

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3 nectar for Chaos

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1 nectar to everyone for trinket(but dad)

turbid needle
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There's more than enough nectar to max every relationship.

stray frigate
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yes

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but u can better take Dia for this nectar

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instead of wasting

bleak falcon
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Can you get Athena’s Defy boons if you don’t have any charges to start with? Trying to force the legendary boon.

pure junco
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I think you still get them offered, have not tested.

stray frigate
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@bleak falcon u can

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but u wont get any DD

pure junco
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I have never heard of not getting offered boons.

stray frigate
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just passive

pure junco
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What boons we talking about?

stray frigate
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also athena leg dont need this

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she needs riposte

green birch
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Athena's Death Defiance boosters

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seems weird that they're offered but don't do anything though

stray frigate
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@green birch and passive?

green birch
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do they work with Skelly's keepsake I wonder?

stray frigate
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like extra hp or shielded time?

bleak falcon
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I know, I’m trying to get those, but I keep getting the defy boons, and I was trying to think of easier ways to force it.

green birch
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And sorry, don't know what you mean by that?

pure junco
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Divine protection?

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The shield one?

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That's her legendary

bleak falcon
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Yeah, cause you need a deflect boon and then the riposte before you can get it, according to the wiki.

stray frigate
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yes

pure junco
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I don't even know how you get that legendary...

green birch
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just what Logan said!

pure junco
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Do you just have to have riposte?

stray frigate
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u may want to add blinding

green birch
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Riposte or a different one

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I'd need to look it up

unkempt pagoda
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just need a deflect boon, then riposte

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probably the easiest way to fulfill the conditions for divine protection

bleak falcon
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It’s the one that makes your deflects deal more damage

stray frigate
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and then - luck

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y

pure junco
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So, you need one deflect boon, then riposte, then you can get offered protection?

unkempt pagoda
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yes

pure junco
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Cool.

bleak falcon
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Yeah, but it’s still only a chance.

pure junco
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It's a good shield though.

bleak falcon
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I’ve only had the conditions once, and then both the Athena boons on the last level weren’t it.

pure junco
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The wiki doesn't explain it very well so that's a rip.

unkempt pagoda
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i mean, it's a chance like getting any other boon from athena is a chance

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it gets added to the boon pool, though the dataminers could say whether legendary boons have a different chance of getting offered than regular ones

green birch
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The wiki is open for public editing if you wever want to make changes to a page!

stray frigate
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wiki is ok

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for leg info

green birch
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yes, thankfully the legendary tier system hasn't changed too much

stray frigate
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i hope(

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now i want pos dio suo again

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for that cancelled run(

pure junco
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I don't understand how protection works, pls explain.

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You get a 1-hit shield every 20s?

green birch
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for the spearpoint or ?

turbid needle
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Gotta make it 20 seconds after taking damage, and then you get a shield that absorbs a single hit.

green birch
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ohhh

turbid needle
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If you keep getting tapped every 19.9 seconds, you'll never get it.

pure junco
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The boon "Divine Protection" the legendary we were just talking about...

green birch
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can u tell I've never gotten it

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😅

stray frigate
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one of the best

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one of the rariest