h1-builds-and-combat

[stoic ginkgo]

I think it's just to make it clear that it is the empowered shot

[mild crag]

It used to be broken with attack boons but is fixed now

[novel kiln]

hestia + chaos attack + aphro attack = life is good

fyi shotgun upgrade from hammer DOES NOT work with hestia

or rather, not with the empowered shot

[pure junco]

So close to getting plume on Hydra...

[novel kiln]

works as usual when normal

[novel python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663515766896721983/unknown.png?width=855&height=483 Ok artemis' cast carried my ass hard time I swear to god

[stoic ginkgo]

I love when you end up with a 400+ damage Hestia shot by the time you fight Meg

[novel kiln]

eyyy man you did it

[kindred matrix]

cast builds are fun

[pure junco]

Nice

[kindred matrix]

congrats

[novel kiln]

welcome aboard

[novel python]

^^ thanks

[pure junco]

First dub is always rewarding.

[stoic ginkgo]

@novel python welcome to the real game

[pure junco]

How many attempts?

[novel python]

ill check when I get home

sec

[mild crag]

Welcome to 40 heat now

[novel python]

under 30 anyway

[mild crag]

[pure junco]

Nice

[novel kiln]

haha 40 heat

haha

😰

[pure junco]

Why are you doing such high heat?

[novel kiln]

masochism probably

[wispy wagon]

I'm too lame for real heat

[mild crag]

Low heat is residentsleeper

[novel kiln]

don't think a max heat run is possible

[mild crag]

[wispy wagon]

Got burned out at like 28

[pure junco]

But you get the good rewards...

[wispy wagon]

Got basically everything unlocked at that point besides Skelly's final "prize"

[novel kiln]

haven't tried to do a 32 heat yet

was grinding nectar to max out relationships

[stoic ginkgo]

Middle management plus the time limit sucks

Especially if you get the Barge of Death

[wispy wagon]

Barge of Death is more annoying than some of the bosses honestly

The tiny boat of death

[mild crag]

I'm starting to think max heat is possible

[novel python]

And Hades has nothing to say after that

[mild crag]

But

[novel python]

Ahaha

[novel kiln]

nah man

[novel python]

Funny

[mild crag]

It's just luck

At that point

[novel kiln]

at that point it's RNGfest yeah

[mild crag]

No choice 2

[novel kiln]

it's probably possible you just need to try 200 times

[wispy wagon]

Hades derives pleasure off max heat runs

Zag's ultimate suffering

[novel kiln]

and most likely the time limit's going to gut you

that's the only problem really

[solid cairn]

damn almost beat next spear run

[mild crag]

Time limit only guts you in elysium

Also I think chaos aspect shield and eris aspect rail are the only two weapons which can handle that level of heat

[wispy wagon]

Yeah, again only mid 20s heat but Elysium is the only area where I ever cut it close

[novel kiln]

chaos deffo can

[novel python]

@pure junco 25 attempts. I think this was the 25th?

[novel kiln]

not enough experience with eris to comment on it

[mild crag]

Eris Dio low tolerance build

I'm thinking one with Zeus attack might be good too

Need rapid hitting stuff

Hestia doesn't work because of damage control

[novel python]

Yo where's skelly?

[novel kiln]

you killed him

monster

[novel python]

He wasn't here when I came in

I got scared

[wispy wagon]

Skelly left to become the true final boss

[mild crag]

Skelly left to go back to his home planet

[pure junco]

5 dashes in a row now.

[stoic ginkgo]

I wish I didn't hate the rail special on controller so much

[mild crag]

Oh yeah also 40+ heat is gg if you get muderboat

[pure junco]

Nice job Keen.

[stoic ginkgo]

Just feels so clunky

[mild crag]

So that's frustrating

[kindred matrix]

yea

rail special on control

is dumb cause it just locks on

you cant aim

[mild crag]

It sounds toxic

Rail special is really good on pc

[novel kiln]

hold on

[mild crag]

Since you preempt enemy spawns

[novel kiln]

you lads aren't using KB+M

?

pathetic.

[mild crag]

I'm a KBM gamer

[kindred matrix]

same

i know people who play this on controller tho

and when they use gun

they always miss the special lol

[pure junco]

47.8% move speed + 5 dashes in a row going into T&M.

[mild crag]

idk about pathetic thas rood

[novel kiln]

PATHETIC.

plebieans

[mild crag]

[solid cairn]

Controller is my default for most non-shooter games

[novel kiln]

< can't use a controller at all and feels salty

[fading sandal]

but it becomes a shooting game if you use rail

[stoic ginkgo]

Controller let's you move in more than 8 directions

[sand glade]

When I started the game first, I thought I'd need a controller, but then noticed I could keyboard and mouse it.

[solid cairn]

I don’t have an issue with rail on controller

[sand glade]

I think it reminding me of Transistor a bit is why.

[fading sandal]

what

[solid cairn]

Who knows maybe a I’ll exclusively use rail kbm

[fading sandal]

you played transistor with controller?

[sand glade]

Yeah. I played it... three times, I believe, with a controller. Was fun.

[radiant linden]

other than the reload being awkward this game seems perfect for a controller

[mild crag]

I hear controller makes it hard to kite tho

[fading sandal]

i thought it was a mkb because you have to properly line up your shots

[stoic ginkgo]

I moved call and gift to R3 and moved reload to R2

[pure junco]

Ares greater call is like 15 seconds of kill your enemy at no cost to you.

[stoic ginkgo]

Plays much better that way

[radiant linden]

I'll probably try that out next time I use rail, good idea

I moved dash to lt as well

[mild crag]

R3 reload sounds awful

[radiant linden]

it is

[stoic ginkgo]

It's terrible

That's why I moved it

At first I just swapped call and reload, but then I accidentally reloaded near a door and rerolled it

[pure junco]

oof

[mild crag]

Who even needs insert good reward

[stoic ginkgo]

Rerolled an Aphrodite into a pom

[mild crag]

Oh that's tragic

Rolled from best to worst

[stoic ginkgo]

While playing Hestia too

It was a sad day

[pure junco]

No

Shop was worst

Pom is merely, trash.

[wispy wagon]

This is so sad, Orphesus play Good Riddance

[mild crag]

Can't roll into shop so

[pure junco]

O

That's good to know

[stoic ginkgo]

Shops are always shops, you can't roll into or off of them

[mild crag]

Same with npc rooms

Sisyphus, Eurydice etc

[crisp matrix]

currently at 8+ heat, any tips to make my runs better

[mild crag]

Idk what are you using or having trouble with

[pure junco]

https://youtu.be/XnXCRdrnmlI

[trim coral]

im trying chaos shield

[crisp matrix]

I use Hera bow and Zag rail

[pure junco]

I kind of choked 2nd room.

[trim coral]

i should find dionysus poison for the special yeah?

[wispy wagon]

What pacts did you turn on

[mild crag]

@crisp matrix so the first thing you want to do is stop using Zag rail because its holding you back

[stoic ginkgo]

Hestia rail is nice though

[crisp matrix]

I don't have the blood to max out Hestia, so I'm using zag for the moment

[mild crag]

Eris and Hestia are superior rails

I haven't tried much of Hera on high heat

But bow generally is harder to use on high heat

[crisp matrix]

which is better, Eris or Hestia

Hestia seems kinda hard to use

[stoic ginkgo]

I live Hestia

[mild crag]

They use different builds

[stoic ginkgo]

Well, I meant love, but live works too

[mild crag]

If you love rapid fire then Eris

But if you like one shotting stuff then Hestia

[crisp matrix]

hmm I'm probably more of an Eris play

I mix up a lot of attack/specials

[novel python]

Aight now I can start farming blood by raising the heat one at a time and fighting the furies ig?

[stoic ginkgo]

Yeah, they want very different boons

[mild crag]

Eris has more build flexibility

Hestia is

Take aphro attack

[pure junco]

Yes, Kree. Also, I might have called you Keen earlier, sorry.

[novel python]

Yay I can finally max chiron

Also, np

[mild crag]

@novel python you have to beat hades before you can get the next level of heat reward from the furies

[stoic ginkgo]

Artemis is an okay backup plan

[novel python]

Ah qq

[stoic ginkgo]

If you can't get aphro

[crisp matrix]

why Aphro, because highest +X%?

[stoic ginkgo]

Yeah

[crisp matrix]

ic

[mild crag]

Goes up to 100% with epic level 1

So that's 300 damage

[crisp matrix]

Eris is good too yea?

[novel python]

So you need to go through each heat level individually to get the rewards?

[mild crag]

@novel python yes

[novel python]

Or can you go straight to, let's say 5 and get all?

[mild crag]

@crisp matrix and yes

[crisp matrix]

the extra damage works on all damage you deal? including casts and on-hits like Support Fire?

[mild crag]

I find eris effective with Zeus or Dionysis attack

And support fire yes

Everything

[crisp matrix]

right

[mild crag]

Doom too, poison ticks

[turbid needle]

Support Fire works with poison ? 👀

[radiant linden]

when it says "absorb the blast" does that mean hitting yourself with the special

[crisp matrix]

I usually build Zeus attack, support fire, attack speed, Ares special

[novel python]

how good is doom weak combo? Iirc they have a boon so that doom hits permanently on weakened targets?

Or was it with dio

[mild crag]

@turbid needle support fire is buffed by eris 60% damage buff

[turbid needle]

oh I see

Still good

[mild crag]

@radiant linden yes stand in the explosion

[crisp matrix]

that sounds good, I mean 8 seconds is a lot of seconds

[radiant linden]

cool, thanks

[mild crag]

@novel python curse of Longing is weak damage drops too much

[pure junco]

Time to kill the man in record time.

[crisp matrix]

thanks @mild crag !

[mild crag]

It's useful if you're using aphro and Ares tho since it will keep privileged status active

[crisp matrix]

time to farm the blood to get it up

[turbid needle]

I mean it's a duo where you need both anyways lol

[trim coral]

any idea how to get the lock off of sisyphus codex entry?

[crisp matrix]

just keep talking to him

[stoic ginkgo]

Eris is super flexible which is cool

[mild crag]

@turbid needle tru I don't know why I specified a required condition

I suppose by that I mean

Don't aim for it

But take it as an incidental

Prefer stuff like impending doom

[turbid needle]

Yeah for sure

[pure junco]

Beat him! No DD lost and probably my best time.

[mild crag]

[trim coral]

am i doing something wrong here

what makes chaos shield good

[mild crag]

Because you throw like five shields

[pure junco]

Now I just have to win with the rail for the 10 blood. ^

[trim coral]

yeah but the shields go every which way

[mild crag]

Stand in their face then

[solid cairn]

I’ve been saving up Titan blood idk what to get

[mild crag]

You just bullrushed anyway

[solid cairn]

Think I’m gonna get level 4 of all sword and rail stuff

They’re my favorite weapons

[mild crag]

Eris is fun should get that

[solid cairn]

I already have 1 for each of the others that I enjoy

[mild crag]

If you like on hit builds

[solid cairn]

I already have Poseidon and Hestia level 4

[mild crag]

Eris is the only weapon which isn't terrible with Zeus attack

[solid cairn]

Eris is only rank 2

[mild crag]

Still true regardless

[pure junco]

1 nectar for 50 darkness, what a scam LOL.

[turbid needle]

... wow

[mild crag]

[turbid needle]

like, ouch

[mild crag]

"are you trying to fleece me?"

[pure junco]

Is it actually worth picking up privileged status? I have not gotten 2 status affects on an enemy even once.

[mild crag]

It's worth

[turbid needle]

^

[pure junco]

Alright.

[slow smelt]

yep

it's the best offensive upgrade

[mild crag]

What do you normally take that you can never get it?

[pure junco]

I don't have olympian favor yet though, but I do have max god's pride.

I never try, it's usually not worth it over the other boons.

[mild crag]

But surely you get it incidentally?

The only time you wouldn't is Artemis builds

[slow smelt]

yeah

[pure junco]

I have not.

[mild crag]

What was your last build again

[slow smelt]

stuff like aphrodite + ares is strong with almost every weapon

[pure junco]

I killed Skelly ;-;

[turbid needle]

It is a bit harder with say Poseidon and Zeus because you need at 'least 2 boons before you get their statuses

[pure junco]

My last build was ares and artemis.

And some lightning

[mild crag]

Why didn't you get jolted on your lightning then eh

[turbid needle]

Sometimes it just doesn't show up

[mild crag]

Cause then you'd have jolted + doom

[turbid needle]

^

[mild crag]

Just saying that

[pure junco]

I only got 1 Zues boon

It was early on.

[mild crag]

Because its easier than you might think

[slow smelt]

hmm, even artemis can inflict status with marked

[pure junco]

Cool beans.

[slow smelt]

it's not reliable, tho

[pure junco]

I got it, so Ima stop talking about it.

[mild crag]

Even easier if you take any aphro

[turbid needle]

or Dio

[slow smelt]

well

[turbid needle]

well, most

[pure junco]

It can't be worth buying music, right?

[gray plover]

combining with exposed it's pretty awesome too

[mild crag]

If you like music

[pure junco]

I have 6 diamonds, the Gates of Hell is 5.

[kindred matrix]

after you use all your diamonds

not like you need anything else

[slow smelt]

there isn't much to do with diamonds :P

[pure junco]

I guess I just have to cycle...

I might just trade them instead.

[mild crag]

Or

You can trade them

Yeah

[slow smelt]

what aspect do you guys think it worth for spear? i've playing with 8+ heat for other weapons, but my spear is at 4, lol

[gray plover]

or save them for || sisyphus' contract ||

[pure junco]

Ooh

That sounds fancy

[gray plover]

you need 10

[pure junco]

Sweet, I can give Skelly ambrosia, and I just got his companion.

[mild crag]

@slow smelt they all have benefit but Hades becomes weaker due to the nature of spin

[fading sandal]

Rocket, try using skelly summon against murder murder murder

it's the best

[mild crag]

Achilles is good for cast builds and Zag is good for special builds

[pure junco]

OK

[slow smelt]

hm

[pure junco]

I really enjoyed the move speed with zag sword.

[gray plover]

nothing good for flurry jab build :c

[slow smelt]

i think i will go with zag then

[mild crag]

@gray plover hades is go- ohhh nooo

[near sandal]

Really do dislike the spear. only one I've not cleared with yet.

[gray plover]

haha

[pure junco]

How do I clear with rail?

[gray plover]

shoot things

[slow smelt]

rail is really easy to break :P

[pure junco]

Wait, how does skelly companion work with murderer?

[near sandal]

My first rail run I had the triple rocket and rocket launcher upgrades.

And some scaling boon for the special. It was magical.

[spare cobalt]

Theseus down with 0:00:53 left on the clock. Elysium on a tight deadline is nerve-racking.

[pure junco]

What boons do I want for rail?

[gray plover]

7 minutes?

[spare cobalt]

Yep.

[gray plover]

oof, always scary

[kindred matrix]

which rail

[pure junco]

IDK

Is Hestia best?

I think it's trash.

[near sandal]

Both aspects are good. Zag is unnecessary

[slow smelt]

i play with zag rail :P

[near sandal]

Hestia with a good scaling attack is nutso.

[pure junco]

Oof

[spare cobalt]

Hestia's good if you like sniping with carefully placed and very powerful shots, Eris is good of like a more flexible bombardment playstyle.

[pure junco]

Ima go Eris

[slow smelt]

so get something with higher dmg modifier

aphrodite, athena

[mild crag]

Hestia trash?

[spare cobalt]

Triple bomb Daedalus upgrade is very big for Eris if you can find it. That and inescapable blast.

[mild crag]

Tho tbf

Hestia is only good at rank 5

[slow smelt]

yeah

[pure junco]

Oh, does triple blast stack?

[near sandal]

maybe that's my problem with achilles spear. Only just unlocked it.

[kindred matrix]

what do you mean

[mild crag]

They each deal damage

[kindred matrix]

it does 3x damage yes

[stoic ginkgo]

Low level Hestia is pretty trash

[pure junco]

That's nice.

[slow smelt]

second-tier upgrades need level 3+ at least

[stoic ginkgo]

It become playable at like level 3

[mild crag]

Works with rocket too

[spare cobalt]

You're able to fire off three mortars in rapid succession, each being their own attack.

[pure junco]

Rocket seems not quite as good.

[spare cobalt]

It's very, very, very good.

[near sandal]

^

[kindred matrix]

I have everything at max for mirror

aside from fated athority

[slow smelt]

rocket doesn't like rocket? i'm shocked

[kindred matrix]

authority**

[gray plover]

good luck with that one

[mild crag]

Reduces the delay to activate eris

[kindred matrix]

triple blast + rocket is very strong

[pure junco]

I get that it's instant but you need to be close to a wall or enemy

[kindred matrix]

the problem with normal special

is the travel time

it takes so long to be able to reload

triple blast + rocket makes that travel time non-existant

[slow smelt]

i never was able to triple blast + rocket :(

RNGesus don't like me that much

[spare cobalt]

Even without triple blast, rocket + doom is real nice.

[slow smelt]

triple blast is strong enough to win you the run, tho

[mild crag]

I do think inescapable blast is better than rocket tho

[kindred matrix]

inescapable blast + triple

is funny

[zinc haven]

Does anyone have any tips for 32 heat? I am crying rn

[mild crag]

Flame wheels just can't get to you

[slow smelt]

never played with both, but inescapable blast is stronk

[pure junco]

What do I want from Dio?

[mild crag]

@zinc haven what weapon, where you dyin

[slow smelt]

depends what weapon

[pure junco]

Rail

[zinc haven]

@mild crag shield, first floor

[mild crag]

@pure junco attack poison if rail

[spare cobalt]

Or just, y'know, Aphrodite. Because Aphrodite.

[slow smelt]

attack poison is good

[pure junco]

Sweet, I got that offered to me.

I might be able to actually get two affects on enemies.

[mild crag]

@zinc haven aspect?

[slow smelt]

dash can be decent if you find hermes early on

[mild crag]

@pure junco go aphro next and get low tolerance

[zinc haven]

@mild crag chaos

[pure junco]

As you command.

[mild crag]

It's awesome!

@zinc haven I guess it would be hard to say without seeing you play, got your pact?

[zinc haven]

I will sc brb

[pure junco]

I have aphro cast so I can still get it off, it's sweet.

You were right, it's so worth it.

[mild crag]

Also a good option!

[slow smelt]

aphrodite is really strong with everything

[turbid needle]

^

[slow smelt]

weak and charm is ridiculous

[turbid needle]

All aound, it's just solid

[mild crag]

Aphro gonna catch some nerfs in a hot minute if she's not careful

[turbid needle]

Great damage, and great status effects

yeah I could see her damage get bonk'ed

[spare cobalt]

She kinda needs to, along with some buffs to the weaker gods.

Poor Poseidon.

[mild crag]

Who deserves buffs

Oh ge

Ye

Besides him

[slow smelt]

maybe zeus?

[turbid needle]

^

Outside of that it's all good, really

[mild crag]

Oh please

Do buff Zeus damage on attack

[turbid needle]

and that is a maybe ofc

[mild crag]

[turbid needle]

I've had Zeus carry my runs, but it's not the most reliable, you need multiple boons with him

[mild crag]

If they buff Zeus attack damage I'll be there to abuse it with Eris

[stoic ginkgo]

I'll be sad if Aphrodite gets nerfed

[turbid needle]

oh yeah with Eris it's nuts

[slow smelt]

also, if they buff weapons, zeus shield need to be buffed

it's so weaker than chaos, lol

[mild crag]

They do buff weapons

Chaos just needs a nerf

[slow smelt]

probably

i cleared with it 3 times today, not a single death

although it was 4~6 heat

[mild crag]

Yeah it's easy mode for low heat and has the best potential for high heat

Crazy really

[turbid needle]

Shield in general is easy mode in low heat it feels like

[trim coral]

you blackguard

[pure junco]

Got rocket bomb.

[trim coral]

my chaos shield came online

busted

[mild crag]

@turbid needle tru

[slow smelt]

hmm, idk

zeus shield lacks power

i mean, sure, you can spam your effects

[pure junco]

Forced shops ;-;

Hey aphro boon

Didn't get low tolerance.

[slow smelt]

oof

[pure junco]

Special, when foes dye, or call?

Def no call

[slow smelt]

special

[pure junco]

They are all basic

[slow smelt]

special, no doubt

[turbid needle]

Wat weapon

[slow smelt]

rail

[pure junco]

At least I can see blast radius better

[turbid needle]

Special then

[pure junco]

Do I use my skelly companion on murderer?

I don't need it but what does it do?

[slow smelt]

it attracts aggro toward him

[turbid needle]

^

And he's somewhat tanky, so it's like 20 seconds more or less

[pure junco]

Tis died in sub 30

🙂 Rail OP

[slow smelt]

yep

rail is my fav weapon

it goes well with both attack and special

[pure junco]

Privileged status carries now.

The special with aphro plus dio attack.

[slow smelt]

nice

[pure junco]

What keepsake should I carry around for asphodel?

[trail belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-well-gif-8228937

[pure junco]

I could use artemis

[tall dove]

@trail belfry So, in those rooms, the one you pick first will cause the other one to get angry, so it's not what type of enemies you fight next, it's that those enemies will have a bonus from the god you didn't pick

[trail belfry]

ah roger that

but that still begs the question: what is the better option

[kindred matrix]

always pick

athena first

[turbid needle]

^^^^^^

[pure junco]

Don't get athena angry, ever.

[turbid needle]

Athena is annoying AF

[trail belfry]

i can choose between dyo and aphro

[pure junco]

You attack? No, I attack.

[radiant linden]

dionysous is miersable if you have a melee weapon

[turbid needle]

^

[trail belfry]

aphro it is

ty

[turbid needle]

Otherwise it's a toss up yeah

[radiant linden]

I had gotten used to picking dio for the free win with ranged weapons and when I ran into him with a sword it nearly ended my run I actually wish I'd picked athena over that

[pure junco]

Where did the enemies go ;-;

Should I mute Hermes or na?

[turbid needle]

They are dead

Otherwise I dunno, I let him talk

but I could see a reason to mute

[pure junco]

K, I told him to shut up.

Support fire, rare pressure points, or call? (Artemis)

[turbid needle]

crit build is op

that is all

[pure junco]

Ah, of course.

@mild crag What is your wish?

[slow smelt]

hmm, support fire makes your attack really nice

[turbid needle]

It was rail, right ? support fire is tempting because of that

[pure junco]

True

[turbid needle]

that being said, pressure points is nice

[pure junco]

That too

[turbid needle]

especially rare

[mild crag]

@pure junco this is eris?

[pure junco]

Yes

I hit for tons already

[mild crag]

Support fire tbh

[slow smelt]

pressure points is also really good

[pure junco]

And if I crit its prob 1 shot

As you command.

[turbid needle]

You'd want both TBH

[mild crag]

Support fire is so much fun with rapid fire weapons

[pure junco]

2 Arte boons in a row

[slow smelt]

go for it

[mild crag]

More Artemis

[slow smelt]

best gurl

[spare cobalt]

Support fire + Zeus attack on the rail makes your primary fire devastating.

[slow smelt]

yeah, i usually run both with zag

[pure junco]

Anybody know where tough enemies are?

I might have to do like 10 heat with rail.

Ay, I got pressure points on my next boon, sweet.

[slow smelt]

nice

[near sandal]

running an achilles spear cast build, not even up to Meg yet and I've got vicious cycle and a +1 cast chaos boon.

[slow smelt]

what is the thing with achilles cast build, tho? i always see people talking about it

you use your spear to avoid combat?

[near sandal]

damahe buff after using the rush

[slow smelt]

... oooooh

it makes sense now

[near sandal]

and yeah, basically it works like an extra dash

or you can toss through enemies if you get a special like Ares or Aphro

helps get privileged status online

[slow smelt]

got it

[near sandal]

Oh and I have engulfing vortex, lol

[candid merlin]

So guys, best God for a railgun special build?

[pure junco]

Man, I really need infinite ammo.

Aphro and Dio is a good combo

[slow smelt]

aphrodite is good

[candid merlin]

I'm thinking Poseidon tbh

[slow smelt]

aphrodite special is higher

the extra damage against weak foes is also strong as hell

[candid merlin]

hmm fair enough, I'll try it

[mild crag]

Aphro ye

But the special works well with doom too

[pure junco]

Sooo 500+ crits on special.

[slow smelt]

noice

btw, i feel poseidon lackluster in higher heat

if you don't go full poseidon, it doesn't seems to worth it

[pure junco]

My cycle is: 1. Use special at point blank range 2. Dash through enemy 3. Shoot enemy once 4. Use cast three times for dumby thiccc damage numbers.

[candid merlin]

Wondering if I should unlock Eris Aspect for the build

[slow smelt]

eris need to be lvl 3+ to worth it

[candid merlin]

Titan blood feels so rare compared to how much I need D:

[slow smelt]

yep

[pure junco]

Yea 3+ or it's not that great.

[slow smelt]

rail works well without upgrades btw

[candid merlin]

and I don't know what's the use of ambrosia

I got 13 of that

[slow smelt]

you can gift your closest friends

[pure junco]

Now I will always prioritize getting two status effects over most other boons.

[slow smelt]

or trade it for titan blood

[pure junco]

Keep ambrosia unless you NEED to get titan blood.

[slow smelt]

at least early on

after a while, you are flooded with them

[pure junco]

I contemplated explosive ammo, but infinite ammo was just so much better because I have +30% attack speed.

[slow smelt]

for sure

i like the one that gives you +6 rounds + attack speed, tho

but i think this one only works with zagreus

[pure junco]

Dio or Athena boon? I have Athena dash and Dio attack.

My attacks that can deflect also expose, so Athena looks nice.

[slow smelt]

hmm, you already have Dio Duo boon?

[pure junco]

Does deflecting melee attacks deal the damage back at them?

No

[slow smelt]

i would try to find it tbh

[pure junco]

K

[slow smelt]

and yes

[pure junco]

I am at Elysium

[slow smelt]

with 3 lifes?

[pure junco]

This is not fair

Yes

3 DD

[slow smelt]

so it's a won run already :P

[pure junco]

Mino solo down in sub 30

DUO

YUMMY

[slow smelt]

hahah

nice

keep going

[pure junco]

So, bad influence epic, duo (obviously), or rare call.

My god this is so unfair.

[slow smelt]

bad influence is tempting, but duo seems better with athena special

[pure junco]

Dio and Arte in one chamber

Imagine if I accidentally altered it lol

Which to take first?

[turbid needle]

Dio is random, Artemis will track you down

[pure junco]

Ah

Then Arte

Clean kill, hunter's mark, or call (all basic)?

I like clean kill here.

I have pressure points and support fire so basically everything crits, so maybe hunter's mark is good.

[turbid needle]

Hunter's mark makes cleaning a lot easier yeah

ironically

if you wanted more damage against the final boss, you'd want Clean Kill

[pure junco]

Numbing sensation pog

[mild crag]

I like hunter's mark

Dio really goes off

[pure junco]

Another dio boon????

Dio into dio and arte into dio

[mild crag]

[pure junco]

Sadly, I must eat dinner.

[turbid needle]

take care then

[pure junco]

I also have jerky for 40% attack dmg for like, ever.

[near sandal]

hunting blades online in time for Elysium

[kindred matrix]

my luck is so bad

i never see sniper

-.-

need it for my prophecy

[mild crag]

The fates know and they are fickle

[potent lichen]

I cannot for the life of me get into the Spear, I've cleared several runs with it but i always feel like im struggling on my last legs. If anyone has suggestions for boon combos please that go well with this weapon please @ me

[grim adder]

I've found any dash-attack build to be passable with the spear

[lusty lodge]

guys, does hellmode just automates some of the heat or there are some other procs?

[mild crag]

Forces some conditions and gives you a unique condition

And each time you clear the game the minimum required heat increases

[lusty lodge]

what unique condition?

[mild crag]

Called personal liability I think

Worth 1 Heat

And it prevents you becoming impervious if you take a lot of damage

Which is what happens normally

If you get hurt too much too quickly you become briefly impervious, but that condition prevents it

[lusty lodge]

oh, never knew that, I started playing with hellmode on

i wish mirror wasnt limited tho

[mild crag]

Yeah perma budget cuts

[lusty lodge]

i like when it gets hard but not when it limits you

[mild crag]

If budget cuts is too rough only option is to play on non hell

[grim adder]

is there any reason to play hell mode aside from the challenge?

[lusty lodge]

well, no achievements yet so kinda not

feels a bit wasted

[grim adder]

so nothing like everything being slightly more on fire then

[lusty lodge]

yeah, guy above told me that you just dont get invincible if take high damage

pretty much thats all about hellmode

[mild crag]

Ye pretty much

You also start with pact unlocked but it's not really hard to get it to begin with

If you clear it on 5 heat with the rail for example

Then you're not allowed to play anything below 6 heat

On the rail

The lower limit increases each time

So aside from having access to the personal liability condition

The only thing it does is limit how you're allowed to play

[last nacelle]

Also known as the floor or minimum.

[pure junco]

I just got back, after my Dio boon into Dio and Arte into Dio boon, guess what I find?

A Dio boon.

[mild crag]

[pure junco]

It's not like it offered anything good, but still.

[last nacelle]

It was me, Dio.

[pure junco]

It was also a fountain chamber.

Epic athena call, DD restores more and replenish 1 (I'm not missing any), or basic when you deflect it deals more back at them?

I'm prob just going to take deflect.

[azure bone]

deflect if not missing a DD

[pure junco]

Ye

Athena call is just not good enough.

Why am I acting like anything I pick will matter, haha.

[azure bone]

only reason to get athena's call is to hope you get the option to upgrade it into a different call

[pure junco]

Sub 1 min T&M fight...

Oh, that's true Dis.

Theseus actually died faster than bull.

Which was weird because I focused bull, he started with less health, and doesn't have a shield to block with.

Although, he does get invulnerable quite often.

1500 gold for TB and I can't afford it 😭

[azure bone]

Also I remember someone saying the call you choose increases chance of getting more boons from that god?

So having athena call for that reason temporarily aint a bad deal, since her stuff is really good overall

[mild crag]

Athena is a great call

[turbid needle]

^

[mild crag]

It's like a block button

[turbid needle]

the ultimate 'no u' basically

[azure bone]

Yea its ok, thing is that functionally its like

Its pretty much her dash without the dash

[pure junco]

Yikes, I took 150 dmg in one passageway...

[azure bone]

trap damage?

[pure junco]

Because I can't stop satyrs

Na

Literally just enemies

I can't stun them.

[azure bone]

Ouch

not having a stun by styx sucks

[pure junco]

Ewwwww these Arte options

[azure bone]

Best bet is to side step and run around in a circle if you can

get them to stand in front of traps

[pure junco]

Hide breaker (in styx btw lol), quick reload, or heroic deadly strike over Dio attack...

Quick reload is better than a heroic in this case.

Ayyyy fountain in 2 rooms though.

Sadly, 500 gold short of TB.

Deadly reversal duo...

Time to kill Ze Man

[trim coral]

anyone else always focus the minotaur first lol

[turbid needle]

yes

because shields are broken

[trim coral]

word

[azure bone]

For awhile there I killed them both at same rate

[pure junco]

That was fast...

[azure bone]

because when theseus calls for help from the gods, asterius prays with him and neither is invulnerable

err

asterius isn't invulnerable*

[trim coral]

that’s interesting

[pure junco]

Focusing minotaur is super easy.

[trim coral]

minotaur i usually run down first though yeah

[azure bone]

On extreme I 100% focus minotaur

[pure junco]

Only lost 1 DD, I was playing super aggro because I knew I would win.

[azure bone]

But on regular theseus is easy to kill given how predictable he is

He throws, then he walks away 100% vulnerable

[grim adder]

the big reason to focus asterius is his attacks are much more aggressive. dodging theseus is much easier, imo

[pure junco]

Crap

I forgot to use my summon

[azure bone]

So just deflect, hit him a couple times, then dash back

[pure junco]

😦

[azure bone]

Hit asterius while theseus is doing his thing

[trim coral]

yeah dodging theseus is way easier

[pure junco]

I completed 3 prophecies while doing a broken rail run.

Where do I pump all my blood?

I have 11.

[copper berry]

I usually try to pump it through my arteries, and hope to get some back through my veins.

[pure junco]

That's not very smart, it has much more valuable uses.

[harsh flower]

Is this regular blood or titan blood. Is it your blood?

[copper berry]

Well sometimes I siphon a bit of it off for other purposes.

[azure bone]

Rocket, personally I'd recommend...

[pure junco]

Titan blood, and no, it's not mine.

[azure bone]

The homing arrows on bow, Hestia on rail, Zag or Achilles on spear

Chaos shield, or any sword

[copper berry]

I like those suggestions.

[azure bone]

5 blood is needed on zag sword to get skelly's companion which is really really good at high heat

[pure junco]

I have max zag sword, and max zag spear.

I have lvl 4 chaos shield.

[azure bone]

I'd vote hestia rail or charion bow or however its spelled then

[pure junco]

On bow, I thought Hera was p good, but Chiron aspect seems alright too.

[azure bone]

I saw that and you're wrong :P

[pure junco]

What is max hestia rail dmg?

[azure bone]

150

[pure junco]

Bleh

[azure bone]

So itll crit for 450 without any other boons

1000 if you have a boon + crit

[pure junco]

You see, you get boons during your runs, so why pick it up.

[azure bone]

Also you can reload while dashing

[pure junco]

Eris seems so busted

It has way more dmg potential.

[azure bone]

It doesn't

Eris is additive

[pure junco]

For now, I might max chaos shield.

[azure bone]

So if you have +200% damage on special, Eris makes it like +230%

[pure junco]

Nah, ima try Chiron bow.

Neat

Hera aspect is also static

[azure bone]

150 base is multiplied by boons. So with 200% aphrodite buff it'll turn into 450 every shot. +100% more with exposed / backstabbing

[pure junco]

Chiron bow feels nice.

[copper berry]

Yeah that is what I love about Hera aspect.

[pure junco]

I have it lvl 3.

I see your point.

[last nacelle]

Then you stack some Chaos Strike and Chaos Lunge on top of that to deal 3k with crit.

[azure bone]

You can literally kill tisiphone instantly and its great

[pure junco]

I didn't read it as base, sorry.

[azure bone]

each shot makes her shrink the room

[pure junco]

I thought it was just a buff to the shot, not like "here's your new base dmg for 1 shot".

[azure bone]

Yea, when running hestia you almost never use regular shot anymore

You just shot ->reload dash -> shoot -> repeat

[pure junco]

Mhm

[azure bone]

lob special shots in between while moving around

[pure junco]

How do you get faster reload with it?

Or can you not?

[azure bone]

You can't, so you focus entirely on buffing the damage

Piercing shot makes it AoE which is really useful

But my go-to is to focus on buffing your special

[pure junco]

Gah, I got sniper shot, explosive shot, or flurry shot for my Chiron Daedalus.

[azure bone]

the base hestia damage is so high you don't need to buff it up at all

[pure junco]

OK

[azure bone]

Sniper shot is good for Chiron

[pure junco]

I kind of wanted +4 special shots.

[azure bone]

Ah yea, that's a good one for sure

[pure junco]

I gotta remember to use my summon this run.

[pastel jolt]

i always end up hoarding it

[azure bone]

On high heat, I use skelly, and I established what fights I use him on

[pure junco]

First boon aphro special.

[azure bone]

so far I 100% use him on mega-gorgon, hydra, and satyr

[pure junco]

You use it on mega gorgon?

[azure bone]

on middle management buff yes

[pure junco]

IDK what the effect of middle management does to that fight.

How many uses does your summon have?

[azure bone]

the head teleports around, and when the big guy crashes down it makes a shockwave

[pastel jolt]

two megagorgons and two crushers iirc

[pure junco]

OOF

[azure bone]

Eh? Ther'es no doubling up on it o.o

Its still one and one

[pastel jolt]

oh, did they change it to just buff the fight rather than multiply?

neat

[azure bone]

Yea its buffed

When he lands there's a big shockwave like the hades-skull explosion

and the meduse head teleports with each volley

[pastel jolt]

oof

[azure bone]

When you use skele however you can just kill the medusa head

skelly is super tanky if you don't hit him

Skele on the third phase of extreme hydra is a godsend

[pure junco]

Do I take heroic Poseidon special over epic Aphro special?

[azure bone]

hydra heads that can't reach him still try and vain to attack him

for chiron?

[pure junco]

Yea

[azure bone]

Do it :D

[pure junco]

Aight

[azure bone]

Each arrow will knock back

[pure junco]

What's a good main attack?

Arte?

I have sniper shot so

[azure bone]

Aphro <_<

[pure junco]

Aphro is OP...

[azure bone]

also heads up zues on special doesn't make multiple lightning bolts

[last nacelle]

The best main attack for chiron aspect is Ares because you use main attack infrequently.

[azure bone]

dio on special will stack a stack of poison per arrow

[pure junco]

Epic rupture yeet

Thanks, Diseenith.

Don't you just hate it when you forget to change keepsakes?

[azure bone]

Yes x.x

[upbeat frigate]

Every time I win I keep wishing for a victory lap mode 🙂

[azure bone]

I want an endless mode that adds pact modifiers (except budget cuts) as you go further

[upbeat frigate]

Yeah, that could be fun too. Till you get an ultimate combo of stuff and can't lose haha

[pure junco]

That's basically "God Mode"

In the options menu.

When you beat the game, and then start over in the easiest area, it would have to be insanely harder.

[split fiber]

Im waiting till the coding of this game gets more indepth so i can use cheat engine

INFINTE COINS

[upbeat frigate]

I've not partaken of godmode yet. I'm fighting through a a 20+ streak right now before I do anything else.

[split fiber]

BUY ALL OF THE SHTUFF

[upbeat frigate]

break out cheat engine

also cheat happens editor has that option, I believe

[split fiber]

ooh~

[upbeat frigate]

You have to search though double in this game. Not the default 4 byte

[azure bone]

@upbeat frigate You might not get perfect combo because you'll start having to remove boons

[upbeat frigate]

That's a good point. Eventually you'd be back down to base I suppose

[pure junco]

Does support fire work with Chiron bow?

[azure bone]

Well that and once you only get one choice at a time, you'd be forced to swap when its offered

no

It only fires 1 arrow when you shoot the special

[pure junco]

Sigh

Well, on my main attack I have 300% damage to distant foes, 300% damage, 39% damage, 15% chance to crit.

[azure bone]

And still prob less damage than hestia rail <_<

[pure junco]

Sigh

I hit like a 900 crit which was nice.

I just died to a trap in one hit...

Stupid 800% trap damage.

[upbeat frigate]

insert "It's a trap" meme here

[trim coral]

what does the heart with a clock in the codex mean

[last nacelle]

Not added yet.

[trim coral]

dang

[pure junco]

ummm

What

A spear guy in Elysium just jumped across the map and yoinked my DD

No joke, this man jumped across the map

[last nacelle]

I think that might be a coordinate error or something.

[pure junco]

Why does giving up not give you your rewards?

[last nacelle]

Though that would mean that their huge jump always has to take them to the exact same spot.

[pure junco]

I fail to see the purpose.

The only difference in giving up and just waiting to die is the speed.

[fading sandal]

it's so you "have to play" the game

i agree

[pure junco]

Yea

I just lost out on a TB and a diamond because I didn't realize that's how it worked.

[azure bone]

Yea, it pops up a warning but idk why it does that

I oftentimes will just stand in traps instead

[fading sandal]

if it's in tartarus i try to find pink gems

[pure junco]

If what is in Tartarus?

[last nacelle]

If you're trying to die to restart.

[pure junco]

Now I am sad because I wanted that diamond and TB.

[fading sandal]

what gas said

[trim coral]

"+25% chance to dodge" pog

[pure junco]

Nice

My highest plume was 25.2% and then I got a 15% chance to dodge from Hermes, that was fun.

30 hours in 3 days, including today ;-;.

[trim coral]

the wretched broker is so cute

[stoic ginkgo]

Makes me think of my run that I got epic Athena DR and Aphro DR with epic Hermes Dodge and weak on my attack

[pastel jolt]

the broker looks like he's wearing a book on his head

[mild crag]

I like the broker's

Then when you don't trade anything

But still

Best shade is head chef

[royal yarrow]

whats cooking

[serene nexus]

My very first non-Godmode clear

[stoic ginkgo]

@serene nexus congrats

[mild crag]

[stoic ginkgo]

@mild crag how high of heat would you say Hestia works until?

[mild crag]

i can confirm it works for 33

i think it might work at 40

but the best ive done at 40 with hestia is get to heroes

[serene nexus]

It was on heat 2 as well

[trim coral]

deadly flourish or thunder flourish for chaos shield

[stoic ginkgo]

Cool, I love it tons and was wondering how far you were able to get with it. I'm currently working my way up the heat levels

[trim coral]

the crit on deadly flourish could be cheeky

[stoic ginkgo]

I haven't lost a DD stack in about the last 8 heats.

I plan to finish my 12 heat run when I get home tonight

@mild crag is damage control as bad as it sounds for Hestia?

[mild crag]

yes it is

lol

[stoic ginkgo]

Sounds awful

[mild crag]

its a horror story

eris has no problem with it tho which is why i think eris is capable of a higher heat then hestia is

especially with zeus or dio attack

you just shred the two instances in one shot

[stoic ginkgo]

What would you say are the worst pacts to have when playing Hestia?

[mild crag]

damage control for sure

i think it can handle most of them so its just the generically awful ones to have

like no choice

and maxing lasting consequences is also a rough thing to do

lemme check the pact to see if theres one i missed

underworld customs you'd want to leave til last too

but its not as bad as no choice is

middle management kills you on murderboat obviously

unless you have piercing fire

[stoic ginkgo]

I don't plan to do anything but keep playing Hestia and increasing my heat until I lose my streak

Yeah I tried middle management out recently. Boat sucks for sure. Luckily I wasn't doing it with a time limit

[solid cairn]

should I level Meg, Sisy, or Skelly's companion

[mild crag]

Do what you think is best - Chaos

i only have skelly leveled so im not sure

[atomic panther]

Level Sisyphus's companion

[pastel jolt]

sisyphus

[stoic ginkgo]

Currency and stuff from Sisyphus is nice

[atomic panther]

Not only is Sisyphus ||objectively|| the best, it gives rewards beyond combat, so is very useful to have multiple of

[stoic ginkgo]

If you don't need the distraction or higher damage

[mild crag]

do not level sisyphus if you are a high heat gamer

since the healing becomes worse and worse the more lasting consequences you use

and the money is worth less with more convenience fee

but otherwise it seems to be the best

[crisp matrix]

can you take a normal keepsake if you take a companion?

[mild crag]

yes

they're separate

[crisp matrix]

cool

which are good?

besides Sisyphus

[mild crag]

skelly trivialises some encounters

i dont have experience with the ohter two

[crisp matrix]

right

I still have a lot more conversations to go before unlocking most

think I'm 1 away from Sisyphus

[solid cairn]

what about meg

isn't hers used in speedruns

[stoic ginkgo]

It does the most damage

[lofty totem]

okay not sure if its just me but

theres a hard limit of number of hammers you can get per run

that number being exactly 2

[solid cairn]

there is

[stoic ginkgo]

Yes

[lofty totem]

I dont like that

[pure junco]

^

[stoic ginkgo]

I feel like 2 hammers is plenty

[lofty totem]

its fine but I feel like 2 should be extremely common while more then that

can be possible

[pastel jolt]

you used to be able to get a third in styx but you can't any more

two is definitely plenty

[lofty totem]

yea but like

the best part of rouge likes for me

is when you get a super busted build

that carries you

it happens very rarely

This game really doesnt let you do that

theres some very strong builds but they are not that many leagues better then a "mediocre" build

[stoic ginkgo]

I have had a decent number runs with 2000+ damage crits

[lofty totem]

as have I

but im talking

instant map clearing

one shotting to a health gate

or just flat out immortality

if you were able to get 100% dodge

[royal yarrow]

what rogue likes do that

[lofty totem]

Wizard of Legend, Binding of Issac, Gungeon

Issac is probably the most severe in that regard to any rouge like

you can uh really break that game open with the right item combo

Another thing all those games do

is EVERYTHING has functional synergy

in this game you cant combine a good bit of the hammer upgrades

I feel like you should be able to do that

[pastel jolt]

the ones you can't combine are usually blocked for reasons of common sense

quick/massive spin and flurry jab on the spear, for example

[lofty totem]

The solution to that would be remove the cant spin restriction

[grand smelt]

Wow so easy

[pastel jolt]

.....the "can't spin" restriction is because of how the rapid attack works

[grand smelt]

And how do you suggest World Splitter and Cruel Thrust work together

[pastel jolt]

you hold down the attack button and do speedy stabby, which means you can't do a spin

[lofty totem]

Third consecutive attack does more damage

and more range

doesnt have to have a specific combo animation

[pastel jolt]

that's just cruel thrust on its own

[lofty totem]

Just click really fast

well I mean you do three chops

isnt that world splitter, the chop?

[pastel jolt]

cruel thrust specifically affects the thrust attack, though

[lofty totem]

Which is the third strike

[pastel jolt]

that's the point of it, that it's the end of the combo

[lofty totem]

so you could just do three consecutive chops

and the third is stronger

It may not be as polished as the rest of the game but itd be fun and interesting

Not everything needs to be extremely polished

For the spear, the solution could be like

1 click plus hold is a spin

and just hold is flurry

similar solution for the bow powershot stuff and flurry for that

I cant think of a single hammer combination that should be impossible

[astral fjord]

I dont like that, the daed upgrades having some sort of draw backs are pretty fun because it changes how you play the game

[lofty totem]

I mean you could appropriately nerf them a teeny tiny bit

Or you could make it so