armor is annoying in temple tho
#h1-builds-and-combat
kindred matrix
astral fjord
I only do extra rooms if the boons are too good i dont wanna let go
kindred matrix
cause they can't be stun locked
novel kiln
and you take a lot of chip damage in the rooms
mainly due to poison
which is a bs mechanic
kindred matrix
ya but
pure junco
Not if you are good
kindred matrix
you can stun lock them
final fox
yes i know, i'm asking kree what room this is
kindred matrix
if you play safe
final fox
in the screenshot he posted
kindred matrix
unless they have armor
astral fjord
Take spearpoint
pure junco
If they have armor just dash
novel kiln
as I said it really depends on your build
astral fjord
So now you only take the initial damage xd
novel kiln
if you have Poseidon legendary feel free to do all the rooms you want
kindred matrix
and it takes a lot of damage before you can stun lock it
novel kiln
since you're just going to BLOW through them
astral fjord
I hate the big black rat
kindred matrix
big black rat I can kite
astral fjord
More than purple spinny thing
kindred matrix
purple spinny is a DPS check p_p
dense token
purple snakestone is a joke with spearpoint
astral fjord
Yeah but big black rat spray poison all over which is v annoying
novel kiln
surprisingly I find big satyr to be the easiest
final fox
purple spinny is a "are you using broken spearpoint" check
novel kiln
followed by big exploding thingy, forgot the name
astral fjord
Entirety of the satyr pits is a "do you have broken spear point" check
novel kiln
spearpoint just trivializes elysium/temple
novel kiln
best keepsake in the game by far
final fox
spearpoint nerf when
novel kiln
you don't get an extra boon Takkun
astral fjord
Do you dislike winning
novel kiln
if you're talking about the god keepsakes
pure junco
@astral fjord I do
novel kiln
it only guarantees that the next boon you find is one from the god you picked
kindred matrix
i don't have the rarity from mirror maxed out yet p_p
sacred idol
What's broken spearpoint from
pure junco
Passing through, Flurry Cast, or Swift Strike?
final fox
patroclus
astral fjord
Well then definitely do not equip broken spear point at all times
Actually, do equip it. But only on tartarus
pure junco
Spear point is fun
hollow sorrel
or more specifically, if offered a non-hermes god room, it will be that god room. And if you go somewhere else instead, it will try again
stray frigate
good night people, have fun
pure junco
Night!
novel kiln
take care
pure junco
Oof
novel kiln
you can do it
novel python
Instead of speartip
pure junco
I always do.
novel kiln
and look for fountains
novel python
im at 241
pure junco
I actually have 1500 gold spare in case I can buy blood.
Buy hydralite if you need to
pure junco
^
novel kiln
also depending on how many boons from her you have
pure junco
That moment when you get a fountain room into a free room
novel kiln
athena might offer DD replenishment
sacred idol
Man... I have literally never run into Patroclus.
He's the only one blocking that ONE Fate bounty
novel kiln
not enough runs then felis
novel python
novel kiln
you'll find him eventually in Elysium
novel python
2 poseidon, 1 hermes and 2 poms at the shop outside
pure junco
It's too easy Felis
novel kiln
go for heart @novel python
kindred matrix
@sacred idol once you upgrade your house contractor
sacred idol
sacred idol
oh, okay. I have only the minor pots
hollow sorrel
I've saved up that much good before. I think selling a legendary is like 400 gold by itself
pure junco
I have not sold anything
sacred idol
Never sold boons that good
novel kiln
oh felis
pure junco
I had 1500 gold by Hydra
sacred idol
Never had them friggin' THAT expendable
novel kiln
you don't have enough runs
sacred idol
lmao, definitely not.
novel python
Heart? Weren't you saying that boons are better than hearts
hollow sorrel
duos are lots of gold when sold too
sacred idol
I literally just broke past the first clear, after all
novel python
as in arte
novel kiln
yeah but Styx is different Kree
novel python
Ah
pure junco
I started with the Hypnos keepsake, then got 2 chaos boons for 67% more gold and 70% more gold.
novel python
Also how is the hearth blessed
sacred idol
yeah, thing is, I've never had EXPENDABLE but also hilariously valuable boons roll
novel python
are there like 2 hearts?
I know, but id rather stop when I find the bag
So I don't lose too much hp
novel kiln
50
novel python
ah it's a double
sacred idol
oh huh, yeah.
novel python
never seen it before
sacred idol
why the heck did I get 65
novel kiln
yeah the elite rooms in styx give double rewards
sacred idol
but yeah, if you find the bag last and aren't dead, you're actually lucky
novel kiln
in case of boon you only get guaranteed epics/rares though
I'm having you pick the heart first so that you'll heal more when you find the fountain
sacred idol
I saw a Heroic, but I think it's one of those shop items upgrading it
yeah, for sure, that's a good plan
novel kiln
heart is always my first choice in styx
for the simple fact that you don't know when you're going to find the fountain
astral fjord
I leave heart for last unless i need some hp to not die
novel kiln
and more max health ---> bigger heal
astral fjord
But boons helps you clear the rest of the rooms generally
novel kiln
agree but not in this case
pure junco
Salvo, that's a good tip, I have never tried that.
novel kiln
that's how I personally play, other people might have different preferences
astral fjord
Its probably causs i avoid hearts like the plague
novel kiln
hearts are good
sacred idol
Yeah, I didn't think of it
astral fjord
I usually end up on 150~ max hp
sacred idol
I personally love Heart stacking IF I can get a lot of heal up
That said
It's only really a big brain if you After Party at a good rarity
astral fjord
Theyre in the same node as boons
novel kiln
my runs rarely end up below 200 hp
sacred idol
After Party Epic+ is silly good.
pure junco
Wow T&M where so easy with piercing wave and world splitter
astral fjord
I'll just reroll lol
novel kiln
and most times I don't even use DDs
trim coral
what build do you do for chaos shield
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663485925711544328/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 double nova?
novel kiln
but stacking health is just universally good
sacred idol
Tbf, though, if you have the Lucky Tooth, 150 HP is workable.
novel kiln
@trim coral we talking about Chaos aspect or?
trim coral
yeah
pure junco
Why not
novel kiln
either Dyo or Ares special
novel kiln
personally I prefer dyo
sacred idol
Is it worth swapping Cerb's collar in or out?
novel kiln
if you want the braindead mode chaos shield run
astral fjord
Super nove has bigger number to look at
trim coral
i want braindead mode yeah
novel kiln
get aphro attack - dyo special - athena dash
pure junco
Chaos shield requires the least amount of skill out of all the weapons.
novel kiln
keep in mind chaos aspect only starts to shine when throwing 4-5 shields
so make sure you upgrade it
pure junco
Spear zag aspect is close
trim coral
yeah ive maxed it
novel kiln
yeah welcome to ez mode
trim coral
sweet
pure junco
You throw 6 shield with max right? Because it's 5 extra.
trim coral
any daedalus hammer upgrades to focus?
astral fjord
Cerb collar is meh. If you want protection use the myrmidon brace or spearpoint @sacred idol
sacred idol
welp, I'm at 3/5 hestia, should I go all in or upgrade another thing now that I've won with it
novel kiln
your rotation is going to be 1) bullrush through enemy 2) turn around and throw shields at his back 3) bullrush throug again
pure junco
I like explosive return
novel kiln
@trim coral avoid piercing shot or the 6 bounces one
sacred idol
tbf I'm not sure I would enjoy chaos shield being so... repetitive
trim coral
really? okay
pure junco
Bounce sucks for it
novel kiln
yes chaos aspect is very boring felis
pure junco
Your shield will never come back haha
trim coral
lol
novel kiln
but it's also super strong
sacred idol
because I tend to like mixing things up and fun over efficiency
pure junco
I like the bounce with zag spear
astral fjord
Chaos shield is comfortable
pure junco
You don't even have to hit an enemy
sacred idol
What are overall the most fun/engaging aspects
pure junco
It's like aimbot for your special
novel kiln
best way to enjoy Hades IMO is go with what the game gives you, AKA use the weapon with darkness bonus
pure junco
I have fun with zag sword
astral fjord
Its the kind of weapon you use when you just wanna lay back and chill
pure junco
^
novel kiln
though don't do a Poseidon sword build with low blood on it
novel kiln
are you farming blood or smth
pure junco
Gold passageway 😄
astral fjord
Dont do chiron, hades, achilles, hestia on low blood imo
astral fjord
5 arrows yahoo
novel kiln
think it's 3
hollow sorrel
^
astral fjord
3 arrows yahoo
novel kiln
even worse lol
pure junco
I have 6 aphrodite casts, so basically if I get close they die.
sacred idol
@novel kiln Darkness bonus?
pure junco
Certain weapons have a dark aura where you get 20% darkness.
novel kiln
and go back to the weapons room
novel kiln
you'll find that a weapon has a purple circle around it
sacred idol
So THAT'S what it is
astral fjord
Your weapons 'glow' and they get +20% bonus darkness if you use ig
novel kiln
if you use that weapon you get 20% extra darkness (for the mirror)
good incentive to switch the weps up innit
pure junco
Gold urns are worth 36 haha
sacred idol
yeah I wish I'd known
But yeah, I feel like Hestia only really came into its own at 3+
Below, it was just not worth
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663487534273134603/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 I know I'm doomed and the run is lost but THE MAD LAD WON'T GIVE UP
sacred idol
What, other than Cheese Shield, is good at base blood?
novel kiln
cheese shield is not good at base blood though
novel kiln
and Nemesis is a good upgrade
trim coral
45% afterparty
pure junco
RIP Kree
trim coral
worth?
novel kiln
as long as you have 1hp it's fine
pure junco
What does afterparty do again?
sacred idol
oh yeah
novel kiln
not a fan of after party
it restores you to a certain threshold
if you're under a certain % of health
sacred idol
Nemesis seems neat, but I'm not a huge fan of sword
trim coral
im not a fan either but 45% seems pretty cheeky
novel kiln
but the thing is
sacred idol
What other aspects are worth one pointing to play with
novel kiln
you don't WANT to lose health
trim coral
true
sacred idol
After Party is nice if you're just not that good, like me
novel kiln
mmm
trim coral
i skipped it
wispy wagon
Usually I'll end up with after party if I don't want to take any of the other boons
pure junco
I average 72 gold per room in passageways, even without ocean's bounty. Jelly?
trim coral
i use sword for poseidon aspect
novel kiln
like, 25% damage resistance for 5 blood
is not joke at all
(zag shield)
poseidon aspect is probably the worst sword aspect imo
hollow sorrel
If you don't spend any blood, the shield/bow/spear are still ok
novel kiln
unless you get a very specific setup
pure junco
144 gold just from urns my god
pure junco
Exit wounds and Poseidon aspect is a win.
hollow sorrel
But the base rail is kind of mehhhh on damage sometimes, and the sword is so risky, that having it on base damage is mehh too
novel kiln
one easy way to pretty much always win with the rail is just
hollow sorrel
I think I've gotten exit wounds exactly once in all my runs
pure junco
Sword is fine
pure junco
People overexaggerate the riskiness of it.
novel kiln
congratz you won the run
hollow sorrel
gotten it offered even
novel kiln
but really at 0 heat you can win with anything
pure junco
^
sacred idol
@pure junco alas, I'm bad, so sword is exactly as risky as it seems to me
sacred idol
:^)
pure junco
Haha, no biggy Felis.
sacred idol
that's why I abuse boons like after party.
pure junco
sacred idol
that said, I did pretty okay with Sniper Hestia
novel kiln
I 100% guarantee you that you're a better player after each lost run
novel kiln
also upgrading the mirror will go a long way
sacred idol
I've had runs that just felt mega unwinnable though
Just...
"Really? This is what you give me?"
that one Zag Shield with no +damage
pure junco
I agree Salvo, my first run, I didn't even beat Meg, 2nd run, beat meg and got to Hydra. On my 3rd run I beat Hydra and T&M.
sacred idol
I was there on hydra for like 10 minutes trying to slowly grind down each head
that was quick
novel kiln
hydra is a slow fight
hollow sorrel
Like, the mirror has legit a total of +130% damage, which can help a lot with melee weapons
sacred idol
man, I took like 10 runs to get through Theseus.
novel kiln
and possibly the harshest difficulty spike in the game
wispy wagon
Hydra is just unfun, but maybe it's just me.
sacred idol
I had almost nothing that run, crap mirror
pure junco
T&M is hard for new players it seems because they can't dodge the charge.
sacred idol
oh, my main issue with Theseus is Theseus.
novel python
I got the 1k darkness, is the 3rd dd worth it or should I distribute in others
sacred idol
:v
novel kiln
get the third DD
pure junco
3rd dd is worth it if you are losing runs
novel kiln
get third DD
novel python
Traded 1 ambro for 500 darkness
pure junco
https://imgur.com/a/ceJgDYI Soooooo I have 6 aphro casts, but that's a legendary...
novel python
And I had 500 already
wispy wagon
Theseus + Mino (Extreme Measures) is my favorite fight for some reason
novel python
fate
novel kiln
and you need it for the fated list
hollow sorrel
the stupid chariots are 50% slower speed sounds amazing though
pure junco
Do you guys know if the wave from piercing wave on sword activates support fire? I would assume not, because it says attack, cast, or special.
novel kiln
coffee
pure junco
I'm at styx
novel kiln
he's in the final zone
hollow sorrel
oh, nm then
novel kiln
no more chariots x)
wispy wagon
Relative Speed is just to taunt you for not getting Hermes other legendary of auto collecting casts
novel kiln
no
novel kiln
Piercing wave does not activate support fire
sacred idol
Aw, can't slow down Minotaur for giggles.
pure junco
It does stupid damage with greater call
novel kiln
get relative speed man
pure junco
I did relax
novel kiln
you 100% shouldn't
pure junco
I skip hermes a lot and I do fine haha
novel python
how good is zagreus spear?
novel kiln
as I mentioned earlier more dashes are a game changer
pure junco
I didn't get offered dashes once
novel kiln
expecially if you're kinda new
wispy wagon
Hermes may not offer direct damage, but he offers some really good boons.
pure junco
zag spear is super great
novel python
I mean I'm tempted to put my other 2 titan's blood in that
novel kiln
@novel python straight upgrade
wispy wagon
Nothing like having a good damaging dash with 2~3+ dashes
novel kiln
like, if you're using base weapons
sacred idol
Never gotten good dashes on Hermes.
novel kiln
upgrading zag aspects are straight upgrades
and the other two spear aspects are hard to use
sacred idol
The ONLY bad Zag is the rail.
novel python
@sacred idol I've got +3 dashes from hermes in styx last run
novel kiln
debatable
pure junco
Should I do one more passageway for a boon, pom, and heart? Or should I just beat the man up and get it over with?
novel kiln
it's only bad compared to the others
novel python
@sacred idol I'd rather have the bullets tbh
sacred idol
+Ammo isn't useful when you can dash reload
novel python
wait you can?
novel kiln
@pure junco go for hades tbh
pure junco
I had no idea
sacred idol
yeah you can reload while moving afaik?
pure junco
Oh
hollow sorrel
My favorite is the Achilles 😦
pure junco
I thought you meant insta reload after dash
novel kiln
heart is only useful pre-sack
novel python
that yeah but more bullets is less time spent reloading
sacred idol
It's so weak though, it's a minor increase in sustained DPS for nothing else relevant
sacred idol
I would legitimately enjoy fire rate and reload speed as the zag buff.
pure junco
I stuffed Cerberus ;_;
sacred idol
If it also just increased fire rate AND ammo, it would be a-ok
More dakka, and gooder dakka
pure junco
I kind of wish there was "CERBERUS DELETED" (his hunger) even though there is already one for his hunger.
sacred idol
Deleted? This ain't Doki Doki Literature Club
novel kiln
only thing that Zag rail aspect needs is increased reload speed
fire rate would make it too good
novel python
Whenever Hades talks at the beginning of the run, does that mean anything?
novel kiln
and too similar to hestia
pure junco
Cerberous Devoured (the sack)
grand patrol
doggy doggy myth club...
sacred idol
Eh? Hestia is the exact opposite of faster firing
pure junco
Why does Meg have a giraffe neck?
fading sandal
@pure junco some people are into that
novel kiln
as I said, i'd rather it gave +ammo and faster reloading speed
sacred idol
But when do you have the opportunity to dump an extra 12 shots?
novel kiln
take the cast
not worth to lock yourself in already with low lvl boons
also art cast is not bad
fading sandal
art cast goes through shieldbearers btw
novel kiln
ah yeah
sacred idol
the one point wonder, best dash and completely ignores level/rarity
novel kiln
rarity on athena dash doesn't matter
sacred idol
since its relevant factor doesn't scale at all with those
turbid needle
@strong kite More real estate to smooch.
pure junco
What
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663492613818548225/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 Is it worth the trade or should I take the special
pure junco
I can't believe I actually lost 3 dd
turbid needle
That's why Meg has such a long neck.
turbid needle
Also. yes.
pure junco
I'm so sad now
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663496211096928289/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 I have money for one of those, what should that one be?
trim coral
get 1 titan blood trade for 1 ambrosia good deal?
pure junco
I like hermes
If you really need the blood, then yes, but if you have somebody close to wanting ambrosia, no.
gray plover
have you spent any ambrosia yet?
pure junco
You can get summons with ambrosia
pure junco
Like 15?
trim coral
oh
wispy wagon
Til we get the other 2 keep sakes it's 44 in total
gray plover
you can buy blood for gold in the last shop
wispy wagon
1 to unlock the keepsake and 10 to max them out
trim coral
then i'll hold onto these
wispy wagon
not counting the extra if you want to get all dialogue, though it's not needed for keepsakes.
gray plover
and you have to consider updates in the future 👍
blood is just easier to get
it's 2/3 per run
wispy wagon
Yeah, was just stating how much you need right now.
I got everything so I just have tons of extras sitting around for the next update
pure junco
For each heat, you get 1 blood for first boss, another for final boss, and maybe one in styx shop.
wispy wagon
You also get 10 blood (2x) for clearing once with each weapon and clearing every pact
I know there are more, but those are the biggest ones
gray plover
Also the broker sometimes has a good deal like keys for blood and you don't really need keys
wispy wagon
Can't wait for the next weapon
Gotta dump the 30+ titan blood
then accumulate more I can't use
gray plover
I think more aspects might come out before a new weapon but I'm just speculating
wispy wagon
Regardless more things to spend blood on
gray plover
assuming they don't change how it works 👀
wispy wagon
🤔
gray plover
because the way it is, the next one would cost 4 just to unlock
pure junco
They will have to change the minor prophecy, the one where you have to unlock all aspects.
hollow sorrel
hopefully it's not a legendary aspect that requires all the other 3 weapon aspects to be maxed out before you can unlock
pure junco
I have them all, but wont when they add more.
gray plover
I think you keep it
my friend played when hydra was the last boss and it still counted that as a completion even now that there's more
robust grove
Anyone have some pointers for me? I have a hard time getting past the first boss sometimes, and other times I can't get past the 2nd boss
been using bow, was using spear
Not sure I completely understand how the boons work
robust grove
haha
gray plover
the more you play the more darkness you get
and then you can invest in more hp/lives
and you get more keepsakes with nectar and you will just have an easier time
robust grove
so go after the purple gems
turbid needle
but really, don't stand still, try to focus targets down as best you can and mind your positioning
robust grove
how to get more keepsakes? Just gift the nectar to random people? Can I gift them more than once?
gray plover
you can gift them a bunch of times, but you only get a keepsake for the first time with each person
turbid needle
you can but from the second onward it'll just be dialogue
gray plover
other than chaos
robust grove
ohh ok
turbid needle
but chaos' benefit is minor, don't worry about it for now
novel python
robust grove
should I go down the chaos hole? Been down it once and I didn't last long because it took a lot of health away
turbid needle
it's good later in the game imo
wispy wagon
Chaos holes are good
kindred matrix
The chaos hole becomes less punishing when you
turbid needle
a bit too risky at the start
gray plover
It can be worth it, it is better earlier in the level rather than just before you fight the boss 😛
kindred matrix
Have the health upgrade
From mirror
When you are starring out half your hp is a lot
gray plover
I think Cerberus' keepsake is really good for new people
wispy wagon
If you're worried about the health cost giving Chaos nector gets you his trinket
final fox
chaos's keepsake removes the HP penalty from chaos gates
wispy wagon
Which removes the penalty and increases chances of Chaos' boons being rare
kindred matrix
Yeah agree
robust grove
oh ok
gray plover
Cerberus or Skelly
hollow sorrel
I think I have like +25 health from the mirror upgrades, specifically for early chaos gates
kindred matrix
Cerberus keep sake helps
robust grove
Is there a right or wrong build with the boons?
kindred matrix
Especially before 3 death defiance
turbid needle
cerb is the equivalent of a lot of darkness yh
gray plover
eh... not wrong, but there are some boons that give really good synergies.
turbid needle
there isn't but some builds are.ofc better than others
kindred matrix
@robust grove its a lot of experimentation
turbid needle
also synergies and duo boons
kindred matrix
Certain booms are good independent and great for utility
turbid needle
but experiment and have fun
robust grove
not sure what synergies and duo's are
kindred matrix
Others build up
turbid needle
you'll see what's good over time
gray plover
Like you could look online and see what all the boons do but it's better to just keep playing and see what you like. You can get to the end even with weaker ones
kindred matrix
Just keep plating and experiment
robust grove
is there a general guide to boons to look out for depending on your weapon choice?
kindred matrix
Playing* if you are like "why does this exist?" Feel free to ask the chat
Early on I found ares the most helpful
The enemies dont have too much hp
And you can poke them
And run
So usually 1-2 ares procs is a kill
turbid needle
aphro and athena are also really useful if you tend to get hit a lot
final fox
the big distinction IMO is between percentage damage boons and flat damage boons
e.g. aphrodite has percentage damage, so put her boons on things that have big base damage already
dionysius is a flat damage boost, so put it on rapid fire attacks with low base damage
gray plover
Athena dash deflect is just the best thing defensively
kindred matrix
^
robust grove
when you say athena and what not...does that apply to the base attack?
pure junco
Why is Athena dash so good
robust grove
or special or cast?
turbid needle
athena is great on dash, fine everywhere else
wispy wagon
Athena's dash gives you deflect while dashing
final fox
athena dash lets you clear out a massive amount of projectiles while staying mobile
turbid needle
aphro is great on attack and special, her cast can be good, the dash is functional
gray plover
I feel like you have a bigger window to not get hit, too. But never tested it
final fox
deflection also works on melee attacks
kindred matrix
Athena dash also gives you longer iframes on dash doesnt it?
pure junco
Melee attack deflect > Dash deflect
final fox
so effectively the deflect dash also extends your dash iframes
kindred matrix
Yeah
pure junco
zzz smart talk
kindred matrix
With athena dash you can abuse it on long animation hits
pure junco
I just get Hermes dashes
kindred matrix
Like minotaur
wispy wagon
It also helps the boons level is irrelevant since it just boosts the damage
At all levels you get the deflect and iframes
tawny meteor
Is the Athena boon that makes your Special deflect good for any weapon, apart from maybe the sword? Never took because it allways seemed bad.
clever cradle
Maybe the bow spray?
final fox
certain weapons make good use of it in particular
bow special clears out a massive amount of projectiles
kindred matrix
Athena has a dash deflect
Cast deflect
Attack deflect
Special deflect
Most gods are the same
Bare a couple weirdies
final fox
maybe rail special too
hollow sorrel
Like Ares only gives doom on his attack and special. His dash and call don't doom
pure junco
How do you get roles for what games you have? I know this is the wrong chat, but it seems it's very active.
turbid needle
#bot-commands
pure junco
K
clever cradle
They all have deflect, I thought the question was how good/effective it was for some weapons
pure junco
Thanks!
gray plover
I don't really think having it on special is that great in general
kindred matrix
Not a fan of deflect on sword
hollow sorrel
deflect on the default rail special would be kind of meh
kindred matrix
The cast animation on special is too long
gray plover
I only special with sword for the crit
kindred matrix
Yeah
pure junco
I like deflect with sword attack
kindred matrix
Cast animation on rail special is too long too
hollow sorrel
when I play sword, any deflect source is fine
pure junco
No special though, too hard to time.
gray plover
I just take crit on sword attack too
kindred matrix
Yeah deflect on attack is good
gray plover
crit all around
turbid needle
athena on sword/rail special is still fine because of the +% dmg increase
pure junco
Artemis best girl
turbid needle
second highest iirc
kindred matrix
Wait actually?
stoic ginkgo
Not a huge fan of Athena in Hestia rail though
gray plover
artemis gives like 30% on attack (I mean yeah you get crit chance but the base damage isn't as good as others)
I would assume aphro gives the best but not sure
turbid needle
you'd be right
gray plover
turbid needle
but i'm not sure about poseidon/athena
pure junco
I like poseidon with melee weapons.
gray plover
I'm not a fan of him because he's not good vs bosses
trim coral
i love getting hit with a slow moving pink arrow after i cleared the room already
kindred matrix
Poseidon is fantastic for rules boss killing ability kinda mediocre though
solid cairn
UGH I almost beat a super bad an unlucky theseus mino fight but lost a DD last second
wispy wagon
Wouldn't be surprised if Poseidon's bonus damage was lower because of the massive bonuses to barrier damage
pure junco
Getting hit after clearing rooms isn't cool.
novel python
turbid needle
higher attack dmage on athena, higher special damage on poseidon
gray plover
double knock back into wall blast is insane though
hollow sorrel
and I think bosses can still take rupture damage
turbid needle
yes
kindred matrix
@novel python how confident are you against heroes
pure junco
I feel like rupture is underrated
stoic ginkgo
I like Poseidon, but hopefully he becomes better against bosses
kindred matrix
If you are confident I would grab the boon
novel python
Heroes as in elites?
kindred matrix
As in minotaur and theseus
pure junco
T&M
turbid needle
heroes as in the boss
hollow sorrel
I don't think they can make him better on bosses, without super nerfing how good he is against trash
pure junco
Hero and his dog
novel python
Ah
gray plover
I usually just take the random assortment of resources from poseidon
kindred matrix
Safety heal is an option or boon is good
gray plover
eh
kindred matrix
Depends on how fast you are killing stuff and if you got the minotaur pattern down
novel python
I have all DDs so no reason to take DD refill
gray plover
40% damage for 10 rounds is best 🤷♀️
wispy wagon
You should avoid damage obviously, but 60% god meter increase on taking damage can be helpful if you have nothing else to pick.
kindred matrix
I wish the 40% damage wasnt attack onoy z.z
Only*
When I do cast or special builds
The jerky is useless
gray plover
I try and go for attack builds most of the time
turbid needle
yeah, his call boost is great esp with artemis and aphro
gray plover
It's quite easy, probably doesn't hold up later
turbid needle
turns your health into a huge source of damage
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663504609482113046/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 what about this?
trim coral
i have this chronic issue fighting the elysium shieldbois
kindred matrix
Doesnt look like
gray plover
try and make your own decisions 0:
novel python
attack
tawny meteor
@trim coral Good to know I'm not the only one.
fading sandal
@trim coral artemis cast goes through shields
kindred matrix
Yeah but are you using atfack?
final fox
static discharge goes great with zeus attack
novel python
I am
kindred matrix
You have 80 damage rocket so idk
final fox
apply jolted to 5 enemies at once
novel python
Got flurry
trim coral
yeah im abusing artemis cast rn lol
novel python
And attack speed epic from hermes
kindred matrix
Static might be good then
pure junco
I played 26 hours in the past 3 days, including today.
I can't handle another run ;_;
kindred matrix
Artemis cast is one of my favourite builds lol
gray plover
I don't think I've played in a week now. Will see what the update is like for sure though.
I just pop in the chat now and again 👀
pure junco
I pop into chat during runs and say useless comments.
For example: I like poseidon melee builds.
wispy wagon
I put in a bunch of hours but I'm on break currently
Outside of the 30+ heat reward and the 5000 gem furniture I've got everything
gray plover
I haven't farmed all of that stuff, but I also don't wanna burn out
I could do it, but at what cost 😨
solid cairn
ok I've completely given up trying to win with the spear
It's like 2 heat
and I can't do it
making me not even want to play anymore
kindred matrix
Which aspect?
gray plover
Flurry. Jab.
pure junco
I won with spear by spamming q with max zag aspect and aphrodite special.
solid cairn
oh my god I hate it so muuuuuch
kindred matrix
laugh
solid cairn
even special
wispy wagon
How 2 spear like a champ
solid cairn
I just don't get crits
wispy wagon
Zag aspect
Rig Hammer to give bouncing special
Cry
trim coral
on a related note to arrows persisting and damaging after room clear, poison needs to go away too
solid cairn
I really think spear is bad
gray plover
hearing your health ticking down while you're making a boon choice 
stoic ginkgo
I find it funny that when I first started playing, spear was by far my favorite weapon. Now it is by far my least favorite
kindred matrix
Artemis / ares hybrid cast
Every time on spear
Cause then you dont need to attack
Or special
wispy wagon
"My favorite part about spear is not using spear"
final fox
if but you don't special how are you going to apply the 150% bonus damage to your hunting blades casts?
stoic ginkgo
Spear really needs some love in a patch
trim coral
spear is the worst weapon though i have to agree
solid cairn
WHAT HOW DID I BEAT HADES WITH THAT RUN
wispy wagon
It doesn't help (for me anyway) the aspects are pretty bland besides Bull Rush which has anti-synergy with a lot of the hammer upgrades
sand glade
o. o
solid cairn
I actually hate special spear
I also leaned so hard into zeus and poseidon for the duo boon and didn't get it
kindred matrix
Zagreus special spear
sand glade
It really do be like that.
kindred matrix
With ares doom
wispy wagon
Playable spear, wieldable Zagreus
stoic ginkgo
Zag spear is alright
solid cairn
do you need like rank 4 or 5 eris aspect for it to be good
wispy wagon
But yeah, when I do use spear rarely it's Zag
novel python
What would you say it's more worth having, 4 DDs or spearpoint in Styx?
final fox
spearpoint
kindred matrix
Spear point
solid cairn
how hard is a run with 1 of each aspect
stoic ginkgo
Why use Eris when you can use our lord and savior, Hestia?
novel python
and artemis cast lvl 5
novel kiln
spearpoint kree
without a doubt
spearpoint trivializes half of the rooms in styx
and makes 2nd phse final boss a joke
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663508240604200972/unknown.png?width=410&height=483 I'd say this might be my first win?
I've killed theseus with like less than 100 hp
with no dd
stoic ginkgo
Good luck
novel kiln
good luck pal
novel python
I just need to get one more status effect
pure junco
o.o
novel kiln
whatever comes your way
novel python
as in on what
pure junco
Rupture and then duo
stoic ginkgo
Wow, because the filter. Even though it's a real non offensive word
pure junco
Ima go speed run
novel python
Having 4 dashes is fun af
novel python
wew 2 double poms in styx
kek
And I have no way of getting another status effect
Cute
wispy wagon
May you feast on fruit
novel kiln
as I said kree don't overthink it
stoic ginkgo
I'm looking forward to getting home tonight so I can play
pure junco
Just believe hard enough
novel python
how tf is my cast critting for 600?
pure junco
I remember when I had a great setup with 4 dd and still lost.
Oh wait, that was last run.
kindred matrix
10% chance to deal x3 damage
@ level 5 its probably in the 200 damage range
200x3 is 600
stoic ginkgo
I like how crits are +200% in this game. It makes them feel very impactful
trim coral
in his codex entry whats the arrow
wispy wagon
Very very "close" relationship
trim coral
uh oh
novel kiln
eh you never know mate
pure junco
I think you mainly want to avoid them in #h1-discussion
True
I have epic Aphrodite cast, going zag sword. Quick Reload (epic), Deadly Flourish (epic), or Deadly Strike (normal)?
trim coral
why is megaera never remotely interested in chatting with me
pure junco
Flourish is 20% crit chance, 73% dmg bonus.
trim coral
she has a locked heart in her codex too
stoic ginkgo
You have to do something in game
wispy wagon
For Meg you have to|| beat her a few times with Extreme Measures active||
pure junco
Do I have to do what they said in their last convo?
I know Skelly said to kill him with max zag aspect sword...
novel kiln
@strong kite probably flourish
pure junco
K
novel kiln
though sword special is kinda trash
stoic ginkgo
The locked heart means you have to do some sort of action in order to progress farther
novel kiln
and you aren't even using nemesis
quick reload can be ok if you find yourself using cast often but at the same time
you WANT the cast to be stuck in enemies
for that sweet dmg boost
like, don't really think you're doing a cast build is what im saying
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663510813037953034/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 aight guaranteed win I say
novel kiln
uuh
novel kiln
get fully loaded
kindred matrix
fully loaded stronk
novel kiln
lightning rod is less good than it looks
novel python
I'll get the hermes boon from outside PRAYING for fast fire
novel kiln
while 3 extra cast is bonkers
wispy wagon
Locked and loaded
kindred matrix
in 10 seconds
novel python
No
kindred matrix
ah F
novel kiln
doesn't really matter
novel python
2 more rooms to go through
kindred matrix
I like that for cast builds
mild crag
That's just for going next level
novel kiln
hades 1st phase is slow enough that cast droptime ain't going to be a problem
kindred matrix
insurance against bosses
novel kiln
and he has broken speartip for the 2nd phase
mild crag
But in that case you just use poseiden sword and exit wounds
novel kiln
just avoid the 40+ dmg spin attack and you're gucci
wispy wagon
Simply dedicate your life to Hera
Then you always have 5 second ammo drop time, genius!
novel python
would you switch arte flourish for zeus heroic?
novel kiln
not really
pure junco
I'm not sure why you are not allowed to alter shop or the free bonus rooms...
novel python
I mean I like seeing it crit for 300-400+
pure junco
What's the point?
stoic ginkgo
Why would I ever use anything other than Hestia?
novel kiln
expecially since you have Zag spear aspect
pure junco
Zues special mega bleh
novel python
it's that, damage after call or faster god gauge
novel kiln
get the gauge
novel python
clear the pom too? thats the last
stoic ginkgo
You already got the sack?
pure junco
I got plume on Meg, yay!
novel python
Like 20 ish
pure junco
(Using sword)
stoic ginkgo
You should probably just fight Hades
novel python
So ill do it
novel kiln
for what kree
novel python
too late 😦 already in
novel kiln
could one theoretically reach 100% dodge chance?
stoic ginkgo
I tend to just fight Hades as soon as I get the sack, so i don't accidentally lose hp before Hades
novel kiln
and yeah Annied has a point
if you need to power up in styx chances are your build is too weak anyway
you should be able to beat hades by end of asphodel / half elysium
but don't sweat it
pure junco
40% move speed bonus without Hermes feels so nice. I know that I can get 80% move speed, possibly more.
novel python
I'm weighing hp vs artemis boon, im at 275
wispy wagon
Imagine speed
kindred matrix
if you can do the styx without taking damage
w8
how confident are you against hades
novel python
Ive finished styx
pure junco
Should I take Ares' call even if it is basic? Other options are epic dash and epic when you take damage inflict doom.
novel kiln
I often find move speed more detrimental than beneficial since
novel python
just buying for the fight
novel kiln
I can't get used to it and walk into traps / attacks I normally wouldn't
kindred matrix
artemis might be able to get you more damage which = faster kill
can't do damage if they're dead
novel python
I mean
pure junco
^
novel kiln
remember the thresholds
pure junco
Altered a heart room into a gold room 
novel kiln
and don't blow your call
novel python
So arte or heart
pure junco
Arteeeee
novel python
last thing ill buy
pure junco
Pressure points
novel python
this better be good
pure junco
Or support fire
novel python
🙏 for me
kindred matrix
attack booms on the first hit?
novel kiln
it should apply
novel python
quick reload or pressure points
novel kiln
which is why aphro is good on hestia
novel python
rare both
novel kiln
mmm
normally I'd say pressure
buuuuut if you're finding yourself using your cast a lot
then get QR
lusty lodge
guys, just finished my first successful run, Aphrodite is so broken man, like Hades just couldnt do anything, perma charmed
novel kiln
it is the will of the world my hero friend
pure junco
That moment when you get offered only common boons from Hermes...
stoic ginkgo
@kindred matrix what do you mean?
kindred matrix
@stoic ginkgo I thought it didn't apply the the effect cause the bullet was pink lol
pure junco
I have 18% on plume before Hydra, that's pretty fast considering I have only lost plume on 1 room.
novel python
first phase without losing a single DD
pure junco
I got forced into a fountain room so I missed out on one 1.2%.
novel python
arte call is broken.
pure junco
Yea
pure junco
43% move speed before Hydra pog
novel kiln
there's way more broken builds trust me
stoic ginkgo
@kindred matrix ah, okay. Yeah it totally works with attack boons, and because of its super high base damage, it scales really well with percent increases