Sweet Surrender is basically a flat 20% damage buff on my stonking massive stack of them
#h1-builds-and-combat
sacred idol
granite finch
im interested..
sacred idol
Oh, Hestia Aspect, with a LOT of attack boosts
Aphrodite shot for the enormous base damage, a Chaos Epic that gave me 75% attack damage on top of that...
Battle Rage, Piercing Shot, enough status to basically guarantee Privileged
Doom on the special and Curse of Heartbreak. It's adding up to, currently, 404? damage on a Privileged empowered shot.
On the other hand, the Sweet Surrender buff is only 20 damage on top of the ridiculous stacks I have.
I guess the chance of a super 2.5k shot that might finish Hades before he gibs me outweighs that, and Ares' Aid isn't all that hot outside of the invuln
Oh right. Also. How do people feel about Hermes boons? I haven't really experimented with them much. Some people seem to think they're weak.
astral fjord
they're fun but not essential and most of them aren't game changing
granite finch
some alright
astral fjord
greater recall is great, heal on dash is great, more dashes is great the other ones are conditional
relative speed is underwhelming
sacred idol
Woo. I got to win with this build. It was pretty nuts, fantastic RNG all around
solid cairn
Attack and special speed is just fun
sacred idol
Guess I've opened up the rest of the game.
stray frigate
Hermes 99% has good boons
sacred idol
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/781871019713027081/EDED44B54326243387B137350322971BA702C470/ How'd I do for my first success? 16th run.
astral fjord
I mean yeah but they don't change the way you play the game. But they're reallly really nice
good job
merciful end is great
sacred idol
I had SO MANY duo boons by the end
Still got beaten black and blue by Hades (how do you dodge his expanding wave of doom, anyway?) but man, he felt easy compared to the last time.
Just doing that much damage all the time.
sacred idol
Huh. I kept trying to dash and getting merked
solid cairn
What does building blood do
stray frigate
@solid cairn what?
solid cairn
Boiling
stray frigate
boiling blood mb?
solid cairn
The hades status effect
stray frigate
same as urs
solid cairn
I said building lol
granite finch
can two chaos gate buffs stack?
sacred idol
Hmm. Keys are only for the mirror after unlocking weapons, right? And for trade?
red hound
spear feels clumsy in my n00b hands, so of course I opt for the n00b cannon (bow) 😅
sacred idol
Is it worth Olympian Favor/God's Pride, or do I just save for Fated Authority asap
kindred matrix
fated authority is still very RNG based
sacred idol
Well, I'm in the 'just unlocked Pacts' stage and don't have a mountain of Darkness
stray frigate
@granite finch yes all bonus stacks
solid cairn
Before I beat Hades I had like everything except authority
split arch
"beat" well I suppose there is such thing as beating Hades if you do all the heats or something
sacred idol
ha
solid cairn
You know what I mean
native ether
Max the earlier upgrades first
sacred idol
yeah, no, I'm at just barely enough keys to open up Olympian, but my last payout for escaping went into a Death Defiance.
native ether
Fated Authority costs so many keys you'll likely max them before even unlocking it.
sacred idol
I can imagine the rarity buffs start out awful but become... pretty intense
is it 50 whole ranks?
native ether
50 for the first, 25 for the second. Cost is constant.
sacred idol
oh, sheesh, yeah
stoic ginkgo
The rarity buffs are good, that's for sure
sacred idol
2500 per...
Well, is it worth taking darkness out of ANYTHING below those tiers to pump it up a bit?
native ether
And considering there's an upgrade that gives you rerolls when picking up keys (from the contractor) I recommend getting that one first
stoic ginkgo
Fated authority gets so expensive so fast
native ether
Nope imo. Leave your mirror as maxed as you can.
sacred idol
Shadow Presence feels extremely unreliable...
Deep Pockets I'm not sure is all THAT good early on?
eternal stag
yeah imo favor/pride and privileged status are better than fated authority any day
deep pockets is surprisingly good
stoic ginkgo
Deeps pockets is pretty good
native ether
You don't realize how good Deep Pockets is until you turn it off and realize you can't buy anything in a shop
eternal stag
more money > more darkness you can buy, or resources to keep you going longer when you're farming
even if you're not trying to win
sacred idol
Oh yeah. I kept it at like, 5 though.
Never turning Thick Skin down again, however. That thing saved my ass way too much last run.
native ether
The real reason it's good though, is because it's the equivalent of 1 Obol Room
stoic ginkgo
I reccomend maxing out a lot of the early stuff in the mirror, because they are cheap compared to the last three things in the list
native ether
Which means it's one less Obol Room you have to take, and thus 1 more boon heart or hammer you can take instead.
sacred idol
The last Death Defiance is pretty much what you're expected to be spending the "no escape" Darkness on, right
I am currently 100% maxed below Olympian Favor
eternal stag
probably? and it's pretty good, anyway
native ether
Depends on if you beat the game before getting it.
cedar mirage
has tab boon menu stopped working for people?
native ether
Check your controls. Could have been bound to a different key. Default is 'B'
cedar mirage
thats wack
stoic ginkgo
I alwayss forget some people play on K+M
native ether
I hate controllers :p
cedar mirage
^
native ether
I play lots of fps games. Controllers don't agree with me.
stoic ginkgo
One thing that sucks about K+M is you can only move in 8 directions
native ether
Eh, hasn't bothered me yet.
sacred idol
Oh. I mean, I just beat Hades with my massive stacks of Hestia damage.
I usually hate controllers, but I've done far better with controller for Hades in particular
Controller for FPS just sounds like a horrible idea.
native ether
Controller kinda sucks for Rail play especially if you like the special
stoic ginkgo
I choose K+M or controller on a game by game basis
Rail special definitely feels better with k+m
native ether
Also yeah after getting mouse and keyboard aim trained on overwatch I'm never playing an fps with controller again. So much easier to aim.
stray frigate
Pear u changed Name and pic?
native ether
I remember just playing console overwatch and watching how fights take years because people die so much slower
stoic ginkgo
FPSs on a controller is almost always awful
sacred idol
Yeah, rail special is a bear to do with auto aim, but everything else...
native ether
Yes I did. All hail Kasumi, p5r's best girl.
sacred idol
hold up, what is this "not Futaba" I hear
stray frigate
Shapeshifter
native ether
Ok ok. So I understand your complaining, and if we were talking about base p5 then you'd be right.
But Dancing with the Stars Japan edition wins when available.
kindred matrix
best girl? you mean kawakami?
native ether
also off topic
native ether
oh god the waifu wars are starting again
Hunter Dash. Hunter Dash is amazing.
sacred idol
Flat is justice but anyway, Hestia aspect... I just won by stacking ungodly amounts of +Attack damage, as high as conceivably possible
native ether
Anything high base damage is good too
sacred idol
Hunter Dash applies to dash sniping?
native ether
Yes which will apply to Hestia if you dash attack your empowered shot.
novel python
Any good dps sword builds? I've got the nemesis aspect but it's not upgraded, only unlocked. What should I aim for?
stray frigate
@novel python artemis can improve ur crit chances i guess
also zeus or dio attack
dash attack mb
novel python
Didn't beat the game, so I'm still at the first difficulty
sacred idol
That said, I would argue that Divine Dash's QoL is just too good for so much of the game @native ether
native ether
It's great sure but you don't really need it unless you're playing very close to your enemies
(and if you are on the rail, my first question would be why lmao)
sacred idol
Hunter Dash if you're very good at avoiding damage and confident you don't need defense, but otherwise, Athena's dash is still a pretty big deal, especially if you don't have the -60% projectile speed thing
stray frigate
@native ether shotgun rail mb
native ether
But like on Sword it is god tier
If you're playing Shotgun rail you're likely not playing Hestia
sacred idol
It's not for being in melee range, it's for when the satyrs snipe you at high velocity, or something.
What rail would even be worth for shotgun, Eris and sit in your bomb?
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663458769744691201/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 Should I change any points around? I'm having a hard time unlocking stuff
eternal stag
that looks fine for where you currently are
i assume you haven't beaten the game yet?
novel python
Got close
stray frigate
i still doesnt understand
novel python
2nd phase
stray frigate
why dont u take deep pocket
novel python
But the dude ate through 2 of my dds in the first
Trying to unlock god's pride first of all
And maybe I'll unlock it after
I'm too close to god's pride to waste 6 keys on deep pockets rn
eternal stag
i'd unlock deep pockets before god's pride tbh
eternal stag
you could shuffle some darkness around for an extra death defy until you beat the final boss, but you could be okay without it
it depends on what you want
personally i feel more boons > stronger boons on a low heat run
and money > boons
and health, and replenished dds
novel python
Atm I first of all want to learn to make a consistent build lmao
Because all I get are random boons
sacred idol
I can safely say at least 5 ranks of deep pockets was a big deal
And that the final boss is very beatable without the third Death Defy.
That said, I had a nearly miraculously good run with the Chaos RNG and my cosmic egg
novel python
so unlock it and switch darkness around from olympian to deep pockets? I'm okay with leaving olympian at 30% until I get more darkness
sacred idol
Yeah, not a bad idea.
eternal stag
how do you mean a consistent build?
if you're hoping for specific boons, at your point in the game that's not super viable
novel python
As in I still have to learn the boons and what works with what
eternal stag
ah, that's fair
sacred idol
There aren't really consistent builds... even with your favorite god trinket and maxed rarity buffs, no?
eternal stag
probably a good idea, especially if you keep rotating weapons evenly
yeah that + fated authority + experience gets you closer to where you need to be on a build but it's never 100%
novel python
I like the weps but I can't play properly with the bow
And I still need to upgrade chiron to be effective
But for that I need more blood, and for that I need to beat the game
eternal stag
hera > chiron, imo
just keep trying different things and learning boss patterns and you'll get there pretty soon
novel python
Chiron looks more fun tbh
eternal stag
different strokes for different folks
hollow sorrel
hera i feel like I sometimes waste a lot of time picking up the cast crystals
sacred idol
I've never been an enormous fan of cast, even with boiling blood being fairly strong
eternal stag
i personally like shooting someone in the face with six bloodstones at a time 
sacred idol
Never really found a cast boon setup I loved enough to want to spam them like that.
eternal stag
i think i went the first six? seven weeks i played ignoring cast almost entirely? big mistake
stray frigate
@sacred idol u just never tried Hunting Blades
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663460989068640287/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 aight I guess this is better?
eternal stag
hera bow + exit wounds + fully loaded + any cast that sticks in is a real mvp
novel python
And I usually avoid Ares, for some unknown reason
sacred idol
I just never got hunting blades. 
eternal stag
yeah that looks good
stray frigate
@novel python pretty good
hollow sorrel
I'd max death defiance before deep/thick/olympian
sacred idol
This is literally the first run I did where I got duo boons that were worth a damn.
sacred idol
Thicc skin is super good
eternal stag
i'd say you get more benefit from having things spread around like this than another death defy
sacred idol
I'd never take points OUT at this stage
eternal stag
yeah privileged status is the best in the game
sacred idol
100%, I beat Hades with just these and the Lucky Tooth.
eternal stag
the final boss on 0 heat is-- yeah
sacred idol
Speaking of which
hollow sorrel
I think I'm too used to hellmode, where you can't afford olympian faovr or deep pockets
eternal stag
beatable with 2 + lucky tooth
sacred idol
Cosmic Egg on a good Ixion spread into Lucky Tooth was pretty great for me
yeah no. I'm not touching hell mode
nor am I taking the mirror nerf one
eternal stag
i'd like hell mode if mirror nerf wasn't mandatory
sacred idol
I just don't care to turn on masochist modes
hollow sorrel
I only like hell mode because of the mirror nerf
10+ rerolls per game is a bit redic
novel python
.. if you have the time to farm darkness
pastel jolt
hollow sorrel
that too; it was too much of a resource sink; so now I opted out of the option
novel python
Alright, so if I'm going for an attack based sword build, which keepsake should I start with? I've got zeus, dio, arte, spearpoint and egg at 2* and lucky tooth at 3
I still have others but only 1*
as in thana and hermes
novel python
I don't have the keepsake for her yet
stray frigate
@novel python i always prefer to start with coin
chrome bone
The darkness cap makes hell mode feel a bit too slow
stray frigate
with deep pocket u can have a very strong boost in Tartarus already
hollow sorrel
I still have the +50% backstab, the +30% cast crystal damage, and the +50% status effect bonus damage
stray frigate
and for 2-3 lvls i usually swap for egg
novel python
the purse is only rank 1
hollow sorrel
it's really mostly the last three things I can't afford at all
novel python
So not that much gold
stray frigate
which can help to make good boost too
@novel python so u need to take it
for upgrading
anyway
hollow sorrel
I think the charon keepsake was the one I maxed first. It's like, what, 10 rounds of the charon items?
(9)
sacred idol
How in the heck do people farm THAT MUCH darkness?
novel python
anyone from around the house that's worth getting the keepsake from? I've got 4 more nectars
sacred idol
6 digits worth!?
hollow sorrel
I'd give one nectar to each god, so you can use their keepsake if you want
sacred idol
Does it scale up by heat level?
stray frigate
@hollow sorrel and 3 for chaos
hollow sorrel
I don't think so, unfortunately
hollow sorrel
it would be nice if high heat gave more blood/diamonds/etc
novel python
Neither does dusa
stray frigate
@novel python so u need to make some conditions
to upgrade ur relation with her
btw i just made a "bond" with Meg 5 min ago
sacred idol
High heat not scaling rewards sounds like it isn't a great thing
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663463866684014602/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 id take the flurry but I got the quest too, is that worth taking
stray frigate
i do not like 3rd upgrade
unkempt pagoda
take it for the quest
stray frigate
1st and 2nd may be good though
hollow sorrel
or, to be honest, if my heat level is 9, and I do an 18 heat run, they should just give me all the resources in between 9 and 18
unkempt pagoda
if you're lucky you could try to find hermes and dig for swift strike
novel python
is that attack speed
unkempt pagoda
all in all, it's still nemesis sword, which is basically a hammer upgrade all by itself
(in fact, it was one before aspects were added!)
and yes
stray frigate
@hollow sorrel it conflicts with idea of roguelike
hollow sorrel
I don't think many roguelikes give you partial weapons like this?
like, when I unlocked weapons in gungeon, it was legit the full weapon
not 1/5 of a weapon
necrodancer, dead cells, and pretty much everything else I remember never give out half-*((ed partial weapons like this
sacred idol
They're not partial weapons, they're upgrades...
Children of Morta does stuff like this.
But with characters, i.e., classes
you level them separately
I think it's fine, just, the progression pacing is borked to hell
There isn't as much of a sense of steady progress as that game constantly offers. Here, after a certain point you hit The Wall and either git lucky or git gud
novel python
dense token
surprised people have problems with the progression, I have 28 titan blood lying around that I don't even know what to spend on
the game seemed too generous if anything
unkempt pagoda
go flourish
hollow sorrel
at least, I'd want one fully upgrades weapon per weapon type
which is 80 full bounty runs
sacred idol
@dense token Do you main one weapon
dense token
no
sacred idol
What have you upgraded?
dense token
i guess
novel python
urge to kill, curse of agony or ares call, curse of agony is epic the others are rare
dense token
i only got the game about a week ago though iirc
final fox
ares call is great, i don't remember if agony is on the attack or the special, but doom isn't amazing for sword
novel python
agony is the attack
final fox
urge to kill is useless
novel python
I got his cast already
wary knot
There's a couple of prophecies that give Titan Blood don't forget
hollow sorrel
I already counted the 20 I got from those
dense token
problem with letting you skip heat and getting all the rewards at once is that you can just do a couple of 32 heat runs and be done grinding
stray frigate
for win all pact thing
novel python
IF you can beat 32 heat
stray frigate
and for all aspect
wary knot
80 bounty runs for 1 fully upgraded weapon per weapon type is way off then right? Unless I'm doing the math wrong
dense token
~120 titan blood in 5 runs
dense token
yup
hollow sorrel
I can do high enough heat, that it's faster for me to just do that
dense token
nothing stopping you from playing above your max heat gauge if you enjoy it
stray frigate
0 damage barge wow
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663467530945429515/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 I require assistance
sacred idol
So 32 heat is with everything on?
stray frigate
2nd
hollow sorrel
I'm sort of not sure when roguelikes started this "we need super slow progression" thing
The original roguelikes didn't have that at all
stray frigate
pretty cool for nemezis
sacred idol
I'd take mark, it's super useful for addclear
wary knot
Yeah crit mark with Nemesis Sword is awesome
hollow sorrel
Every game started completely frsh
dense token
not with everything, but close to it
astral fjord
Burst shot is dope for his cast doe
sacred idol
@hollow sorrel I like progression roguelites. Rogue Legacy may have pioneered.
But again, the issue here is that progression curves don't seem all that even
since you're juggling a lot of resources and heat represents potentially huge difficulty spikes without improving the incremental grind
astral fjord
Has anyone gotten 2 legendaries in one run before? Barring hermes cause he dont count
dense token
maybe they could lower the amount of titan blood aspects cost but add a different sink for them
astral fjord
Is ut possible
sacred idol
What's the requirement for legendaries?
dense token
if you go duo zeus/dion you can pretty easily get both their legendaries in a run
stray frigate
@astral fjord i think i had
hollow sorrel
legendaries have require boon requirements, that are sometimes not intuitive, so if you don't spoil yourself with the wiki, then good luck
astral fjord
Huh that word is botted
hollow sorrel
some are "attack/special/dash/cast" from both gods
wary knot
I hope you can get multiple legendaries, Zeus + Poseidon together sounds rad
astral fjord
Yeah
wary knot
On a tangent, this run got me thinking: what's the maximum number of duo boons you can get in one run? https://imgur.com/a/jWDMjNB
astral fjord
I have done some runs trying to get that exact combo
wary knot
I'm sure you could plot out the requirements and work out how to get the most
astral fjord
Double push with lightning and double lightning on top
neon ridge
hollow sorrel
I mean like, technically we could randomly give everyone nectar until we found the 4 that gives extra stuff, but it's like a lot of trial and error
stray frigate
@astral fjord https://prnt.sc/qih4wu
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663469171861880895/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 eurydice or hermes here?
wary knot
Sounds spicy
stray frigate
2 Legendary here
astral fjord
Eurydice
wary knot
Always Eurydice
stray frigate
@novel python Euro
novel python
And take what from her?
wary knot
Try and highroll that special to Heroic
sacred idol
The ! ones seem like an always pick EXCEPT maybe Sisyphus
astral fjord
Nice. Splitting bolt is my fav legendary
sacred idol
Sisyphus almost never seems to actually be worth it
Unless you're damaged by a chunk
astral fjord
It just makes the screen go autism
novel python
The special actually crits for 300 just now
wary knot
Hey it's free money, and a nice chat with a friend 
stray frigate
@novel python little tip for Euro
U can try 1st gift
and if u dont like result
u exit
and back
and try 2nd
novel python
exit as in?
wary knot
You sure you can still do that?
astral fjord
Quit the game
novel python
ah
stray frigate
in menu
astral fjord
Yeah i trued
astral fjord
Probably wont stay like that
I think you need to close the program to change the seed tho
stray frigate
not sure for that
astral fjord
If you just quit to main screen you get the same result
stray frigate
but if u exit menu
hollow sorrel
you have to get hit once in the room first
dense token
hopefully they make it so giving up randomises your seed too instead of giving the same one
stray frigate
and try again it will give u same result
hollow sorrel
and then you can forfeit the game
stray frigate
also i do not think exit can help
hollow sorrel
it's good for trying out different weapons
novel python
So I need to alt f4?
astral fjord
Same. @dense token sometimes you get hit with the worst daed options
astral fjord
Do it for science
pure junco
You can quit mid run, yes.
sacred idol
I had no idea
pure junco
Well, the more you know.
astral fjord
Yeah you can as long as youre not in the middle of combat iirc
astral fjord
I dunno if it was the act of relaunching or the fact that it crashed that changed it
sacred idol
now I know what to do the next time RNG decides I only deserve primary attack hammers on a special build
novel python
astral fjord
What weapon?
novel python
sword
novel python
But I wanted to go for an attack build lmfao
astral fjord
Poseidon?
pure junco
Deadly Flourish + Vicious Skewer = dub
astral fjord
Oh nemesis? Sad
pure junco
Or Aphrodite special
wary knot
@novel python
astral fjord
Chaos shield would be nutt
wary knot
Blessed
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663470799490908181/unknown.png?width=558&height=484 that's what I have, what should I go for?
astral fjord
Shotgunning the bosses with your double damage +crit shields
wary knot
Sword gets some nice hammer upgrades for the special
astral fjord
6 times
sacred idol
Chiron 5 and that...
novel python
As in which gods should I aim for
novel python
For the special or attack?
sacred idol
Aphro attack is really good. Has those super spicy big numbers on raw
novel kiln
aphro best with world splitter
astral fjord
Aphrodite likes it raw
sacred idol
LUL
novel kiln
- chaos boons
novel python
world splitter is the big chop?
astral fjord
Yep
novel kiln
big chop alright mate
astral fjord
Really hard fo use tho
astral fjord
Smol hitbox tho
astral fjord
:/
novel kiln
i'd have it looked at
fading sandal
i hate when i have world splitter
fading sandal
but then i keep using dash attack
astral fjord
Also the animation is very awkward i think
fading sandal
i wish there was an option to disable that
astral fjord
Not very fast
novel kiln
who needs to aim when you have chaos aspect shield
astral fjord
Just dont dash 4head
sacred idol
Why do people hate the dash sword hammer?
novel kiln
just break your Q
fading sandal
people like it?
wary knot
It'd be nice if world splitter gave some kind of bonus to your dash attack. It is kinda weird having to wait a split second after each dash to get the chop
novel python
Q? I bound that on RMB lol
fading sandal
i've seen people here praise the dash attack
astral fjord
I remapped my special to right click cause its really hard to spam on q
wary knot
Dash sword attack is sick
novel kiln
how dare you remap
sacred idol
I've seen a fair few people say the crit dash isn't good
novel kiln
you scrubs
wary knot
You can just go nuts
sacred idol
or that they disliked it
wary knot
Are you okay Salvo
sacred idol
but I tried it ONCE and it felt great
I was basically doing shotgun but it's a sword
novel kiln
if you remap...
astral fjord
How dare us prefer not doing more things on our non dominant hand amiritr
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663471955634159639/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 who do I praise
novel kiln
you're a casual
pure junco
Nothing is wrong with remapping
sacred idol
The only thing is, I feel like, for dash build you REALLY kinda want Athena or Artemis dash
fading sandal
(i don't like dash attack since i can't aim after a dash) 😦
sacred idol
or else it's pain
wary knot
Remapping seems like, the opposite of casual to me. A powerful take to be sure
fading sandal
no, m+k
sacred idol
athena for not dying horribly, artemis for making others die horribly
astral fjord
Artemis!
novel python
that's strange
novel kiln
it's a meme pun
novel python
@astral fjord wasthat for me
astral fjord
Yep
novel kiln
can't believe you lads are taking it seriously
wary knot
I was fairly sure don't worry
fading sandal
i just don't play many non-turn based games
astral fjord
And gift her all your nectar
fading sandal
last one i played was katana zero
sacred idol
I had to rebind controller
novel kiln
also regarding the guy torn between artemis and poseidon
sacred idol
Rstick to reload is painful
fading sandal
and that had a slo mo
novel python
What does she give me tho
novel kiln
I can't check your boons but
novel kiln
try artemis
sacred idol
duh
fading sandal
another boon gives that
astral fjord
Hunting blades saves all
sacred idol
@fading sandal tbh, the slow mo projectiles duo boon is one of the best defensives in this game and I love it
that thing literally saved my run, I'm fairly sure
fading sandal
i had hunting blades last run, larger radius, auto return casts, but no +1 each hit
feelsbadman
novel kiln
like, you'd look at the boon and be like "this thing sucks"
sacred idol
Satyr poison who?
fading sandal
@sacred idol I always look for athena in my runs
novel kiln
but it's not bad at all
sacred idol
That+Athena Dash is just pog
south comet
(Keep it age appropriate here please )
sacred idol
"haha let's see you shoot me now"
astral fjord
Sorry! Lol
sacred idol
what they do
fading sandal
what weapon?
novel python
Sword
novel kiln
athena dash is way too strong compared to the others
novel python
@sacred idol attack boost, 5% crit on everything or arrows when you attack, special or cast
I don't, sadly
Not yet
novel kiln
what aspect do you have
astral fjord
Attack boost so you can finally use your attack
fading sandal
ohh, yeah, deadly strike
sacred idol
Attack boost since you're on nemesis...
@novel kiln It's more that other dashes besides Artemis are weaksauce
fading sandal
it's soo good having like 3/10 crits
novel python
astral fjord
Man u got some crazy luck
sacred idol
No, I mean. Athena is where it needs to be.
The others need a buff, not a nerf to Athena's dash.
novel kiln
not calling for a nerf
astral fjord
True
novel kiln
not fun to nerf stuff in a singleplayer game
novel python
So Attack?
sacred idol
Mainly in the land of QoL so they can hit stuff without committing suicide
novel kiln
yeah go attack kree
sacred idol
no, some things need nerfing even in SP games
novel kiln
remember to actually use your Special
sacred idol
but nothing has struck me as truly gamebreaking yet
novel kiln
I think Chaos shield is easy mode
astral fjord
But if all things are gamebreaking
novel kiln
like
astral fjord
Is it truly bad
astral fjord
Try ares special athena dash chaos
dense token
would rather take crit special or doom
astral fjord
Merciful end bursts them open
hollow sorrel
yeah, that's what I usually try to do with the chaos shield
trim coral
whats chaos shield
hollow sorrel
though it's a bit lol to have doom on special, when all the shield basically doom the whole area
sacred idol
I honestly loved my sniper Hestia run, beyond just being strong enough to win
dense token
doom special is strong but feels more rng to build to me than crit chaos
wary knot
The Athena-Ares duo boon is super strong for sure. One of the better ones in my experience
novel kiln
it's an aspect Julien
astral fjord
An aspect of the aegis. It gives you more shields to throw after bull rushing
trim coral
its good?
novel kiln
weapon aspects are something you can unlock which grant additional buffs
hollow sorrel
after you unlock all the weapons, you can unlock aspects for the weapons
dense token
it's the best weapon in the game
astral fjord
Best in the game imo
novel kiln
chaos shield in particular throws additional shields after you bullrush
hollow sorrel
arguably, I think chaos is the strongest of the shields
novel kiln
and is pretty much bonkers
trim coral
how come?
novel kiln
not just the shields coffee
trim coral
good boon synergies?
sacred idol
There are lots of best weapons...
novel kiln
arguably the best weapon in the game rn
astral fjord
Safe, does a lot of damage
trim coral
ive legit never tried it
astral fjord
And makes use of all the boons well
dense token
very high dps + consistent to build
trim coral
what boons do you recommend with it
sacred idol
Nemesis sword has absurdly high DPS but afaik is pretty unsafe to use, Hestia railgun can get pretty silly...
wary knot
I mean it's basically 5x damage on your special a lot of the time
hollow sorrel
and it's instant 5 proc poison when fully upgraded
dense token
sword is also up there in dps but less consistent and safe
novel kiln
@trim coral Imagine starting the game with a 500% damage boost on your special, for free
astral fjord
Doom on special, poison on special then any other curse on attack
novel kiln
that's pretty much it
trim coral
lol
astral fjord
Its more like 10x
novel kiln
not only do 5 shields deal good base damage, the boons are multiplied aswell
which turns it into something absolutely ridicolous and SAFE TO USE to boot
astral fjord
Because when the shields come back they can hit another time to the target lol
hollow sorrel
and if you get the piercing shot, imagine being able to block 95% of the attacks in front of you, while you charge your attack
novel kiln
because bullrush ---> throw shield ---> bullrush again
wary knot
I mean that's how I feel with the Hestia rail. 1500% damage on your attack for free
But yeah the multiple hits means it works great with Dio and Zeus
novel kiln
just zip between enemies and you won't get damaged
add an athena dash on top of that and you're pretty much invincible
astral fjord
I feel like piercing shot interferes with the loop of chaos aspect
novel kiln
you might have trouble on high Heat levels with hydra due to the lava dmg
dense token
yeah i don't like piercing shot
astral fjord
Means you cant shotgun enemies up close anymore
novel kiln
but everything else you should blow through
dense token
ideally you want explosive return + fast charge
novel kiln
yeah piercing shot is bad
dense token
explosive return is less important on doom builds late game
hollow sorrel
it's a bit annoying, because it's often "piercing shot, dash to where you would have bull rushed to, then special"
dense token
but still nice
astral fjord
Eh fast charge is meh. Since it removes the knockback which means the enemies dont stay in front of u
Fast charging is hella nice tho
novel kiln
honestly chaos shield is so strong that hammers are kinda superflous
dense token
the knockback doesn't really matter if you position well
novel kiln
fair enough
then fast charge and double attack are good
also dashing wallop I guess, although you won't be dashing that much
astral fjord
Avoid the +6 targets on special like the plague
novel kiln
unless it's to get out of ground AoE attacks
dense token
i feel like double attack slightly delays your charge but it might be placebo
astral fjord
Because that means slower rotation
sacred idol
So, is that 8 stack poison worth as a duo boon
dense token
actually i think that upgrade doesn't affect how fast your shield returns?
sacred idol
Hmmmm
dense token
i avoided it at first but I've been taking it recently to experiment when i play shield
sacred idol
So chaos shield with Aphro/Dio is just toxic hell for everything in front of you?
astral fjord
Asphodel and elysium oh god wheres my shield i need my shield
novel kiln
if you got poison on special then by all means get the duo boon, IF and only IF you have an easy way to apply weak
and yes felis p much
it's the build that I (personally) consider the strongest in the game atm
sacred idol
what's the best way to spam weak
novel kiln
Aphro attack / dyo special
astral fjord
^^
novel kiln
on attack
sacred idol
shatter shot ever worth?
novel kiln
you bullrush through, it applies weak
astral fjord
Very fast privileged status too
astral fjord
You dont generally use cast on chaos shield
dense token
is dio special actually strong i haven't tried it
sacred idol
man, dying lament sounds like a fun secondary
dense token
my low 14 min run was with crit special
astral fjord
Use it only for the damage boost when lodged
sacred idol
ahh
novel kiln
I'm really not a fan of boons that do stuff when enemies die / you get damaged
but it really depends on what heat level you're playing at
astral fjord
Unless you luck out and get artemis legendary youre not outdpsing bull rush special
sacred idol
rofl, Numbing Sensation to slow everything while it dies
hollow sorrel
I like at least one, for when I have the "everyone ignores 1 or 2 attacks" punishment
novel kiln
numbing sensation is decent
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663476102727204866/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 guys? I really don't know what to do but I feel tempted.
sacred idol
Bad Influence would be incredible if there were a more horde oriented game mode.
astral fjord
Nk
dense token
treasure
astral fjord
No
dense token
or boiling point for the quest
final fox
deadly strike gets even better the more percentage chaos boons you have
crit is really good
wary knot
The Double Heroic though
novel python
^
astral fjord
Hard to follow up on attacks
novel kiln
it's actively bad
sacred idol
yeah no I would not do knockback sword
novel kiln
you want to be in people's face
wary knot
Poor Poseidon
sacred idol
It just doesn't have the range to abuse it
novel python
It's a duel room
novel kiln
would be good with the POSEIDON ASPECT
sacred idol
Poseidon has the best synergies with longer ranged keepaway stuff
novel python
I got both pose and artemis
novel kiln
but you're using nemesis
sacred idol
It's good with Spear, isn't it?
sacred idol
boiling point for the fated
final fox
boiling point is okay
novel python
or that
sacred idol
the fates are demanding, but their loot is pretty epic
novel kiln
I would suggest never going against Artemis or Athena in duo rooms
novel python
hp
astral fjord
Only take treasure if you think the run is doomed and it doesnt hurt to get something from it at least
novel kiln
for the simple fact that they're a pain in the ass to avoid
Ares too
Poseidon is probably the easiest by far
dense token
i feel like Artemis is the easiest but ares and athena are the worst
novel kiln
for the simple fact that you can burst enemies down before they actually zip around
novel kiln
I mean just time it tbh
stray frigate
novel kiln
at least you can see it coming
stray frigate
yup shield is op
novel kiln
can't say the same for ares or god forbid athena
astral fjord
I hate athena less than dio
novel kiln
what's your trouble with dio double room
novel python
astral fjord
The fact that hit puts a gigantic nono circle on the enemies
novel kiln
hunter instinct for quest again
stray frigate
Supp fire
novel kiln
just go for the fates quest man
novel python
ive never seen hunter instinct before tbh
novel kiln
you'll try out different boons that way
novel python
yep
novel kiln
yeah lol easily best Call
pure junco
1500 gold before Hydra.
novel python
strongest call*?
novel kiln
mmm
astral fjord
Aphrodite has a lot of filler boons doe
novel kiln
there's no best god
novel python
AND I NEED TO FIGHT CHARIOTS WITH -57 MOVE SPEED IM CRYING
pure junco
Just dash 5head
astral fjord
Also the charm legendary is prettt meh
novel kiln
each god fills their own niche, SSG did great work with it
sacred idol
How do you salvage a bad attack boon Zagreus Shield run?
astral fjord
Thats true
sacred idol
The gods are fairly balanced, but the amount of trash boons isn't really up to snuff yet
astral fjord
Thing is getting a random athena/ares on your run even though you don't want it feels better than a random poseidon/dio
sacred idol
like I said, zag shield, because I'm basic and don't have the big boy blood
novel kiln
ah ok
sacred idol
Yeah, tbf
novel kiln
and what boon u got
sacred idol
well
some ares feels like butts to get
"hey, have a blade dash that hits nothing for no damage"
novel kiln
it's not just ares
astral fjord
Thats the same for most non divine dasges
dense token
random ares is ok, but I'd take random dio any day
sacred idol
oh, I'm thinking of a run I lost because I had like... one damage boon, I think it was poseidon attack at most
novel kiln
2nd best dash if probs artemis
twin tangle
athena's dash is just too essential to ever pass up
dense token
chance to get premium vintage is too hard to pass up
novel kiln
for the simple fact that you can stack crits and get big damage
sacred idol
Zeus attacks on low hits per second weapons feel extra bad
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663478512610443285/unknown.png?width=857&height=484 I might take the dodge here
novel kiln
yeah dodge best choice
astral fjord
Athena and artemis has the only two functional dashes
Others are very hard to make use.
astral fjord
But I got 93% bigger lightning once on my lightning dashes and that felt cool
novel kiln
always go for boons kree
astral fjord
Yes. Boons good
novel kiln
you don't need to outrun him
sacred idol
@astral fjord I feel like Poseidon is the least worst because it does SOMETHING without you being bad touched by some enemy
novel kiln
just dash through him
astral fjord
Also unless you have a +gold boon a gold room isnt equal to a boon purchase
Poseidon dash is just worse athena dash change my mind
novel kiln
poseidon dash is only good in temple
sacred idol
but it's less worse than the start drop dashes
"you could do worse than this" for poseidon/zeus dashes
all "spawn at start" is just 🚮
novel kiln
and zeus dash + jolted... that's 2 boons just to apply half of privilged status
sacred idol
yeah, that's the main issue
novel kiln
like
astral fjord
I will have you know that my lightning dashes arent trash and they do 200 damage
novel kiln
compare to weak or poison
astral fjord
But you have to wait for them to attack
novel kiln
although I get that they're not the main draw of zeus / poseidon
astral fjord
Its aoe tho so a h a
cedar mirage
ok what is happening to me, three runs now starting with a hammer
i just want artemis boons please
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663479586042150914/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 patro or dae?
astral fjord
Hammer start gud
sacred idol
Starting hammer is one of the best, isn't it?
novel python
I'd look for world breaker but I need the health
novel kiln
problems with zeus and poseidon is that the former is only useful with fast weapons and the latter is trash with bosses
astral fjord
Do yoy need dds refilled?
novel kiln
@novel python patroclus
cedar mirage
not if im trying to set up hunting blades
novel python
I am missing 1 dd
novel kiln
get the hydralite from patroclus
astral fjord
Refill dd
sacred idol
@novel kiln agree on the Big Two, and Dio has a similar issue in that poison sucks on slow weapons, but at least has utility
novel kiln
he's very close to dying rn
novel python
im at 47hp and I need to fight theseus
versed quest
astral fjord
Also hl recovery is much more common
versed quest
what does mean the last one??
astral fjord
Just dont die 4head
versed quest
the poseidon's power I mean
novel kiln
it means that you deal extra damage when you slam enemies against walls
novel python
pom or poseidon?
versed quest
ok, just in case it was anything else
astral fjord
Slam enemies into wall make explosion
versed quest
pom
novel kiln
ok kree the order of importance is this
novel kiln
Duo boon > exclamation mark room > boon = hammer > heart > pom = gold
hollow sorrel
I usually use all my rerolls on the poms 😦
kindred matrix
IIRC one of the world record speed runs
they litreally got level 9 artemis cast
lol
and spammed that on everyone
novel kiln
yeah but they probably did 20 runs before that
dense token
wr runs are seeded
final fox
there are very specific situations where a pom is better than a boon
if there's one boon you're really relying on, like a cast boon, and you don't have a whole lot of other boons so it's most likely you'll have that boon in the pom selection, then it can be worth picking the pom over a new boon
this is very niche and not normal
dense token
there's still a lot of rng because of how seeds are handled but you can memorise a lot of the rooms
novel kiln
these are A D V A N C E D strats Pelinal
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663480890382352409/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 aight ill take the treasure here for the heal thanks
astral fjord
Thats some dedication
dense token
yup
novel kiln
not only for that kree
novel python
im low af
kindred matrix
@pure junco I like piercing wave and flurry better
astral fjord
Poseidon rlly wants u to take his strike
novel kiln
the other boons are trash with your build
dense token
that's why the wr is nearly sub 8
novel kiln
bad luck on that boon lad
novel python
@astral fjord ikr!
pure junco
@kindred matrix You sure? because when you dash you shoot out a wave with this combo...
sacred idol
Isn't Heart okay if you're rocking the Dionysus healing?
novel kiln
keep in mind you'll heal 60% of your health with hydra before the boss
kindred matrix
in the amount of time it takes for one worldbreaker chop
pure junco
If you attack, then spam dash and attack, you get a shot every time you dash.
kindred matrix
ya but the hits / second
of flurry + dash
is greater than hte hits / second of world break + dash
novel kiln
i'll tell you an actual op glitch
pure junco
It acts like you are still swinging with world splitter
novel kiln
if you get sword flurry
kindred matrix
can only do 2 dashes before the internal cooldown
without dash boom from hermes
:[
astral fjord
World splitter has a longer animation than flurry attacks
novel kiln
and spam cast while holding attack down
you're going to attack much faster
and I mean much, MUCH faster, the faster you spam the cast the better
astral fjord
Also gonna get carpal tunnel twice as fast
pure junco
Well I wasn't offered flurry so mleh
dense token
wait that's a thing?
novel kiln
getting carpal tunnel lol
dense token
i need to macro this and see what it looks like
kindred matrix
i get carpel tunnel
novel python
All pray the almighty HP Trove
kindred matrix
playing spear
novel python
Just got me to full hp
kindred matrix
the amount of clicking -.-
novel kiln
how come
novel python
God Bless
novel kiln
do you jitter click or something
astral fjord
Spin2win baybe
novel kiln
ok but what's your CPS
novel python
shop vs heart vs chaos gate
astral fjord
Jk spinning is a trap
novel python
I have the egg
astral fjord
Chaos
novel python
before the boss?
novel kiln
like, no way you're getting carpal tunnel if you have 4 CPS
novel python
403 gold
novel kiln
don't really need to click that fast in hades tbf
kindred matrix
idk stab
requires a lot of clicks
if you don't want to spin
and don't have flurry
novel kiln
unless you're doing the aforementioned flurry-cast glitch
novel kiln
@novel python don't do chaos
sacred idol
@novel kiln Wait, can you guarantee a hydra heal before Hades? And is it not worth doing the extra rooms in the temple?
novel python
sacred idol
fast clicking if you're doing like. dash shotgun or rapid reload hestia
kindred matrix
its a trade off
novel python
I'd say shop?
kindred matrix
if you're barely
astral fjord
You get healed once you get the satyr pack why would u need hydralite
novel kiln
@sacred idol not really you can't guarantee a heal
kindred matrix
if you think you can kill hades without extra rooms then go for it
dense token
definitely shop
novel kiln
and it really depends on your build
sacred idol
oh, I got the satyr pack too early last run
astral fjord
Shop over centaur
final fox
what room number is this, if it's after the miniboss this is probably the room before the boss
sacred idol
so I was half dead
novel kiln
personally I often find the extra rooms to NOT be worth it
dense token
unless you want gold for diamond/blood
sacred idol
also I would not generally Chaos right before Theseus.
kindred matrix
and just perma stun them
novel kiln
like, by the time at the temple
sacred idol
He can hurt.
novel kiln
my build is good enough to take down hades as it is