mainly because it's too clunky to use the normal shot otherwise
#h1-builds-and-combat
prisma zephyr
blazing mulch
It's quick way to deal 40 dmg faster than normal
Normal attack load slower and deal 30 dmg-50 dmg
blazing mulch
So it's sometimes more efficient to dash attack
Normal does 60 with perfect shot
Dash attack also can perfect shot for +10 dmg
prisma zephyr
the main reason you dash attack a lot is because you proc your boons more, have more mobility and still have good damage because it's bow
normal shot does 60 without perfect shot
(the boon)
daedalus hammer upgrade
wooden lodge
real men just spam the second attack all day without using their brain
ok so homing shot with the +4 bullets upgrade from the hammer is mega fun
wooden lodge
nice accidental rap
gritty solar
|| https://streamable.com/fjt0x || fastest kill on || hades || by far so sick
couldve been way better too lol
gritty solar
that was just me messing up and getting excited lol
wooden lodge
alright guys, let's say you've just started a run, you picked Artemis as your starting trinket, and you have a sweet freaking epic boon for your primary attack (the basic sword)
you go to Chaos and he gives you these options https://i.imgur.com/yjMO7IF.jpg
I can probably just use my special for 4 encounters
mild crag
the top one and deal with it yeah
wooden lodge
and then I'll have 62% bonus attack
wooden lodge
but, getting 24% boost to my boon rarity for no cost
and even the boost to darkness
I never use Cast
so those are free
last nacelle
Play pretend Poseidon aspect for 4 encounters.
wooden lodge
hm alrighty then
wintry ingot
You should try using cast more, it's very helpful - and I'm usually the type to just spam regular attack.
last nacelle
The prospect of getting the Dash Stack build always overrides everything else unless you are playing bow.
heady zephyr
if it's just in tartarus it's totally doable to deal with annoying curses like that
unless you're at high heat i guess
casts are crazy good once you get the weapon aspects that work with them
gritty solar
Hera's bow is insane
heady zephyr
hera bow might be my favourite weapon honestly
heady zephyr
achilles spear? i want to like it but i find it a bit unreliable honestly
last nacelle
It's too bad you can't dash attack with the charge attack.
heady zephyr
in terms of where the spear ends up
heady zephyr
bouncing spear ruins it, but even without that, i have a bad habit of rushing onto traps with it
heady zephyr
tough to keep an eye on zag and the landing point of the spear at the same time i guess
astral fjord
just keept it in the center of the room is what i usually do
I feel like for the hestia aspect exagryph instead of after manually reloading just make it so the first bullet in each magazine is empowered
but that might take away some skill aspect of it
last nacelle
How would that be any different.
wooden lodge
guys I think Athena is hitting on me https://i.imgur.com/NHAB2zF.jpg
final fox
that's literally what it does except now it's useless with infinity fire
last nacelle
If you aren't on heightened security, don't bother.
wooden lodge
speaking of which
astral fjord
well, the thing is if you change it to that you dont have to manually reload
final fox
sure footing is amazing with heightened security and useless anytime else
woeful stirrup
Yeah, right now Hestia still works with infinity chamber. It wouldn't if it was a magazine count.
astral fjord
cause you only get the boost if you manually reload
mild crag
if you're not reloading to get maximum use why are you using hestia tbh
last nacelle
Sure Footing is only really good in asphodel EM hydra fight.
astral fjord
thats the thing, it gets pretty say, annoying to have to do it i guess
last nacelle
Hydra is bad enough to be worth a boon all to itself though.
wooden lodge
if I use that trap damage boosting thing that makes them hurt me more, let's say 400% more, and then I pick this -90% option, does that just subtract 90% from the 400+100%, meaning I still take 410% trap damage, or does it reduce the total by 90%, meaning I go from 500% trap damage to 5%?
wintry ingot
Really? I find the furies more annoying than the Hydra
wooden lodge
right 50% that's what I meant
final fox
or, if you're using heightened security 2, from 900% trap damage to 90%
astral fjord
oh wow that's actually pretty good
sand glade
Hydra is very annoying. I've enjoyed the Furies a bit, especially Tsipsiphone
astral fjord
I still feel like sure footing is like putting salve on a tumor
wooden lodge
yeah hydra is my least favorite boss
wintry ingot
Huh
wooden lodge
it's not that hydra is hard
wintry ingot
I must be playing the game the wrong way then
wooden lodge
it's just sooooooooooooooooooooooo tanky
sand glade
The Esylum duo are easier than Hydra
wooden lodge
takes forever to kill
astral fjord
Yeah its good but like if you're taking that much damage from traps, there's something funky going on with your positioning
mild crag
its just on heightened security brushing up against a trap is immediate death
not that worth without heighten sec
astral fjord
hmm i cant post links :/
me noo good
That's fair, i had an ok run once that got jabonkered by traps with heightened security on
I took 2 guillotines to the face and it took 2 of my DDs :/
mild crag
oof ouch owie my footing
gritty solar
I lost 3 DDs on the death barge with extra elites maxed
astral fjord
It was on satyr pit too so its extra hurtful cause you've come so far
death barge does fit its name once middle management is involved
final fox
yeah, axe blades in styx will deal 270 damage with heightened sec 2
astral fjord
It always takes one DD from me if i'm not using shield, still takes almost my entire bar with
final fox
you slip up once, whoops, there's a DD gone
mild crag
funny you mention the murderboat sinc ei jsut died there
thorny tiger
oh i love the murder boat!
gritty solar
I remember when I thought the death barge was a joke until I started playing with middle management lmao
astral fjord
the easiest death barge i've done i think is with exagryph 3 special daedalus
with athena special
just nuke em and all their attacks gets deflected too
still took a dd tho cause i got absolutely demolised by one barrage of bombs :/
wooden lodge
would you guys take the crit or the support fire usually? https://i.imgur.com/9krNFZq.jpg
astral fjord
what weapon?
wooden lodge
🙄
astral fjord
sword?
astral fjord
think support fire is better since you already got crit on your attack
with nemesis and artemis attack
wooden lodge
that's what I was thinking
wooden lodge
I use a ton of special and basic attacks
astral fjord
which is not a bad idea
wooden lodge
so I'm not sure what the DPS output of mass seeking arrows is compared to +5% crit
eh I mostly use tipsyt shot for a 24% damage resist
I'll take the crit
it's epic anyway
astral fjord
the crit doesn scale well with levels or rarity tho lol
wintry ingot
It was the first thing I thought of when I accidentally saw "Cornered" pop over one of the Vermin enemies.
astral fjord
does chiron aspect bow proc lightning for each arrow?
mild crag
no
karmic coyote
i think it does
mild crag
eh?
karmic coyote
not very sure and i'm too lazy to test it atm
mild crag
im certain it doesnt
karmic coyote
i remember the damage output increases a lot whenever i pick that boon
gloomy scroll
wooden lodge
I assume I need Ambrosia to gift to this guy now that he's at rank 5 right? https://i.imgur.com/17bYxUY.jpg
karmic coyote
oh just tested it and it doesn't, so Zeus is not as good as i thought, guess Dio is still the best
nope clock symbol means the story hasn't been implemented yet
what is the best attack boon for Hestia?
brave marsh
@wooden lodge if theres a clock on the heart it means its not out yet
Like the devs need add something further
sand glade
"gotta wait for the next issue of the comics," but for video games. :p
mild crag
pfft unhealthy fixation with chiron bow and heartbreak flourish
astral fjord
@karmic coyote i think either athena for raw damage or artemis for crits
athena gets the highest base damage boost iirc
either her or aphrodite
mild crag
its aphro
karmic coyote
i see, i usually just go with any epic attack boon, mostly Aphrodite
unhealthy fixation is really rare, dio special is much simpler
astral fjord
exagryph DOES have a dash attack right?
mild crag
yeah it just looks the same as a normal shot
the next shot just fires a little faster afterwards
green birch
It shoots faster and with a bit less spread
astral fjord
okay cool
i noticed that damage is different for the attack and dash attack is that how its supposed to be?
sand glade
I wouldn't be surprised. Boons always list them separately.
karmic coyote
yeah, i figure it's the same as bow dash attack
mild crag
it'd be different if you have a boon which affects dash attack
otherwise the damage is the same
mild crag
the dash attack will be affected by both
astral fjord
does it? wow thats dope then
last nacelle
That's how you hit 3k damage hits with Hestia
neon ridge
woo sub 15 even without Zeus leg https://puu.sh/EWDKU.png
neon ridge
didn't have it
astral fjord
damn thats pretty good
first time beating hades sub 1 minute lmao
just went at it like a madman and disregarded defense
karmic coyote
i have never come close to beat Hades sub 1 min, fastest is with the shield
astral fjord
that was my fastest clear time like ever
I struggle the most with the bow i always feel like i can't clear the encounters fast enough
karmic coyote
i play too recklessly in a rush so my average time is only around 30 mins
i like bow the most, then spear
astral fjord
i think there's a fine line between being fast and being reckless and you just learn how to thread it as you do more runs
karmic coyote
i just like to take my time, probably around 100 runs already 
astral fjord
lmao i didnt start playing fast until i turned on the time limit
but you get 5 heat for it so daaaym
karmic coyote
tight deadline is my bane, i would rather deal with middle management barge of death than investing my heat in it
astral fjord
middle management only gives one heat tho
Probably should give more tbh with the amount of bad experiences i've had had with it lmao
karmic coyote
middle management gives 2
granite finch
Is there a benefit for high heat?
karmic coyote
titan blood/diamond/ambrosia farming and Skelly statues
astral fjord
I just got 3 cast boons from chaos at asphodel
75%, 33% and 35%
yeet this run is gonna be a doozy
brave marsh
Forced overtime causes the enemy to spawn fast too
astral fjord
oh really?
astral fjord
Blade rift pretty good. my individual rifts where hitting for 100+ damage at the end of their lifetime with achilles spear
crisp matrix
how are boons offer? tier 1 first?
astral fjord
yeap. You get the tier ones first like attack, special cast dash or call
some gods have other tier 1s but its specific to them
astral fjord
yep
then legendaries show up after you have usually two tier twos
was hitting for 1.2k spins on that run too
bonkers
stray frigate
do u have Hermes boon for dodge?
turbid needle
yeah lambent plume is op
slap that on at the start of a run and then switch to the tooth for final boss
pastel jolt
actually, even more than that, since that looks like zagreus aspect
left timber
yup maxed zag
stray frigate
@turbid needle if u switch u lose bonus dodge
left timber
plus another 50-ish movement speed
turbid needle
you do?
stray frigate
ofcourse
turbid needle
i thought it was a permanent buff
stray frigate
)
left timber
plus almost everything i do deflects
hmm
so i charmed a rat
then stepped in its goo
and i took 10 damage per tick
bleak falcon
Yeah, that's a thing, cause the normal damage would be garbo against enemies, but it doesn't work quite right at the moment cause the charmed enemies can still damage you with their buffed damage.
granite finch
oof 101% special damage
stray frigate
not a big deal
turbid needle
is there any way to do a crit build? seems like it would be decently strong but there's a low likelihood of getting enough buffs to make your attacks have a big enough crit chance
stray frigate
@turbid needle artemida is ur choice
sacred idol
Aw dang, suggestions is closed. I wanted to suggest a teleporting move for the Spear that lets you portal directly to the spear and get a spicy backstab multiplier.
stray frigate
+nemezis
bleak falcon
Cap? what cap?
pastel jolt
felis, isn't that just achilles aspect?
stray frigate
i thought Achilles is for Cast
sacred idol
A teleporting one that gives an enormous backstab multiplier would be for high single target bursting
bleak falcon
No, Achilles is the rush.
sacred idol
Get behind someone and stab them in the rear, rather than trampling a line. Sort of the inverse of Achilles.
sacred idol
Not gonna lie, I want it because it'd be cool.
Also because I don't see anything really built to specifically abuse backstabs.
Are there weapons that have back attack focused bonuses?
stray frigate
i do not think so
sacred idol
Not sure how effective it'd be, unless it had some kind of CC/hitstun effect
pastel jolt
the only way to go in on a backstab build that i know of is athena's exposed effect
bleak falcon
It'll be the 6th weapon, the Dagger
sacred idol
But it'd be fun if it worked, I feel like. Vanish, reappear instantly and briefly CC enemies around the spear's endpoint, and get super-crit backstabs
I figured because the Spear is the only one you can throw to a specific point, it'd fit very nicely as a teleport marker
stray frigate
Achiles have tp
sacred idol
Achilles is more trample/bullrush type dash, isn't it?
stray frigate
so i do not think there is much sense to use same mechanics
sacred idol
Although, if that's the case... I'd gladly take dagger with the opportunity to cloak.
That'd be fun.
stray frigate
6th weapon may be)
bleak falcon
Yeah, but I think the point is that the actual tp wouldn't deal damage in the line, and instead you get a temporary backstab damage boost.
sacred idol
Yeah, pretty much
A bigger damage buff, but on a single target's backstab
With some extra defensive properties - briefly confuse enemy AI targeting, or something.
So more of a single target assassination
But since outright suggestions are closed for now...
I was wondering: Does anyone else feel like Zagreus Aspect upgrades are completely useless on the Rail?
When do you even have the time to unload 18 shots standing still, and when would it benefit you over reloading on the move?
stray frigate
i like it anyway
last nacelle
Weapon aspect where your dash attack deals a ton more damage, but causes you to do it in the opposite direction you are facing.
sacred idol
That and if you're so dependent on full ammo, you'd benefit more from Infinite
bleak falcon
It's good if you don't like the rail and don't want to have to depend on infinite ammo hammer
sacred idol
...then why use it
bleak falcon
Darkness and heat rewards
last nacelle
Wasting a hammer upgrade on more ammo is not a good idea.
It is a categorical error to ever say that a crappy hammer upgrade obsoletes a weapon aspect.
sacred idol
It just feels like, compared to every other Zag aspect, the ammo is the worst buff
that being said, the infinite ammo thing sucks anyway, because it breaks TWO aspects
Should just be instant reload or something, then it'd have some consideration for hestia sniper builds
stray frigate
u still cam reload Hestia manually with infinite
last nacelle
They already have a bunch of suggestions for hammer upgrades.
sacred idol
For new ones, wasn't it?
Not reworking godsawful ones
Infinite Chamber being terrible means it needs reworking, most likely
last nacelle
Flurry Fire is already the good version of Infinity Chamber, so Infinity Chamber can just be removed.
sacred idol
But yeah, all other Zagreus aspects offer fairly decent passive buffs.
Just giving you a bigger magazine you'll basically never use...
Completely gimped, people who like 'basic' rail gameplay should get a better buff
fire rate, base damage on the gun, chance of flinching enemies, whatever
last nacelle
Make it give a passive increase to money gain.
sacred idol
wait, what
I mean, I figure it should at least pertain to the basic gameplay of the thing
All other Zagreus aspects focus on subtly enhancing the basic function of the weapon
bleak falcon
eff it, guns 'n money
sacred idol
Zag rail does so, but in a way that's effectively useless.
last nacelle
Passive all damage increase since it's the only weapon where people use both forms of attack on every aspect of the weapon.
sacred idol
Fire rate would be pretty funny. Pair WITH Flurry Fire for maximum dakka.
But yeah, that'd be fine, a small damage increase.
pastel jolt
i've said it before [holt voice] AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN but i think infinity chamber should have been the hammer that got cut, instead of getting rid of the "+2 ammo when you dash", mostly just bc that one seems more interesting
sacred idol
Oh what
That IS more interesting
That sounds great for shotgun builds.
Why was it deleted?
pastel jolt
yeah, there used to be a rail upgrade called "Cooling Chamber" and it gave you 2 ammo back every time you dashed
idk
sacred idol
feedback "replace Infinity with the old Cooling Chamber" so I can upvote the crap out of it
pure junco
368 Darkness from T&M fight haha.
pastel jolt
i know there was a lot of feedback that said cooling chamber was just a worse version of infinity chamber
pure junco
Can I use darkness for things other than the mirror?
last nacelle
No
pure junco
Oof
bleak falcon
Yeah, they should give you a some steeply priced trade ins for darkness with the broker once you max the mirror.
last nacelle
Heat Jets
Reloading emits a damaging burst around you that deals 10 base damage per shot reloaded.
So you heat up your gun by firing, then release an explosion when you reload.
pastel jolt
yeah, i've hit the point now where darkness has stopped being useful again
because all i can do with it is try and save up for my next reroll, and now that i have five of them already it's, uh, a long way off,,
bleak falcon
Oh, does that just go infinite, or is it really ridiculous?
pastel jolt
it caps at 10 rerolls
assuming the cost hasn't changed since the last time i looked, and i don't think it has,
1k / 2k / 3k / 4k / 5k / 10k / 20k / 30k / 40k / 50k
bleak falcon
blood and darkness
sacred idol
Rerolls of what?
astral fjord
encounter rewards
bleak falcon
the fate thing
astral fjord
fated authority
sacred idol
I'm bad at game and haven't beaten it at 15 attempts...
astral fjord
just turn god mode on
sacred idol
I got close like 3 runs ago, but Hades killed me with his hilariously large sweep at the last tenth of his health.
astral fjord
which is what i did xd
astral fjord
i was like i'm gonna turn god mode on and farm darkness
pastel jolt
not too cheaty actually!
stray frigate
80% dr max
sacred idol
Oh. Surprised. I thought it was more broken.
But honestly, I wish for CrossCode style sliders to customize difficulty instead
bleak falcon
It would be cool if it did more once the dr was maxxed, but that's it for now.
astral fjord
eh i think giving it a difficulty slider is unecessary
sacred idol
all I need is enemy attack speed at 85% to make my RSI suffer less, but that's all I want
no, it's not because I want it to be easier per se, it's because the pace of the game occasionally injures my fingers
astral fjord
it's better for development if there's a singular difficulty so they dont have to balance things around more
thorny edge
it took me until around run 30 to win 😅
sacred idol
Crosscode just didn't bother balancing around the sliders. It has a difficulty, that you can just monkey with.
They don't need to balance around enemy shots traveling 15% slower or 50%
just balance around the base game and let people do handicap adjustments with no real consequence or extra work
astral fjord
well, there is a boon like that so kinda?
sacred idol
who do I have to bribe
astral fjord
The thing with that is you're not playing the game as it's designed to
pastel jolt
if playing the game as designed is physically painful for some users then there should probably be a way to adjust for that, just sayin
sacred idol
Who cares?
You're not playing someone else's game, play at 100% 100% 100% if you wanna.
oops, forgot this was botted.
left timber
oh it crashed
stray frigate
pastel jolt
personally i can only do about two or three runs in a session before i have to put my controller down and give my hands a break, and i'd consider myself fairly healthy otherwise
pallid sky
my thumb cramps up if I play bow too long
left timber
and it didn't save the run
pastel jolt
(or maybe i just need to stop mashing dash attack so hard....)
sacred idol
Anyway, I don't really want the game to be on easy. I want it to be less painful, because I like most of the challenge where it is (it isn't brutal like other roguelite hack and slashers, but it's not handholdy), other than the goofy high armor scaling in Elysium.
I did make the mistake the first time of binding reload to left stick. Man, my thumb was sore as hell after Hestia railing with that.
Swapped around, put call and summon on sticks and RT to reload, and it's a bit less strenuous... but still, the pace is fast
pure junco
Aphrodite with max zag spear is a guaranteed win.
pure junco
You can give up
crisp matrix
sacred idol
and I'm out of it, so I've got no blood unless I manage to beat Hades, and I also foolishly dunked my first ambrosia into a blood trade instead
hollow sorrel
I feel like hestia rail is the absolute worst weapon for people with hand issues
sacred idol
insert snatcher's FOOOOOOOOL from hat in time here
maiden steeple
There's a lot of accessibility requests on the feedback section that have a lot of upvotes. Since godmode is already a thing I think it is pretty likely that a lot of them end up being introduced.
sacred idol
you see, I am an absolute fool who loves the rail playstyle to bits
so I suffer for my style
It's a gun!
My favorite weapons in Bastion basically came back in the Rail
hollow sorrel
the eris rail has a much lower actions per minute though
eternal stag
ah man, i wish the rail was more like the bastion carbine though 😍
now there was a weapon .....
sacred idol
The Galleon Mortar... I haven't gotten the old Calamity Cannon style deal though... Hestia feels like the carbine enough for me
pure junco
1 blood for 150 gemstones can't be worth it, right?
sacred idol
I do like Dash Shotgunning, as painful as it is.
Uh... if you've got important upgrades, I would, honestly
eternal stag
mm, what i really liked about carbine was the aim/powershot
sacred idol
True.
eternal stag
which the rail doesn't have
pastel jolt
i got really confused for a moment until i realised i was mixing up eris and nemesis
astral fjord
gemstones are easy to get and they run out of use fast
hollow sorrel
You an never have too much blood
sacred idol
But my favorite thing actually is the Mortar style bomb approach.
hollow sorrel
Isn't it like over 100 full bounty runs to max out all the weapons?
sacred idol
What's the best way to build for that old school burstone feeling?
Briefly tried doubling down with tipsy shot, but it was way too slow and not having boiling blood is such a liability.
hollow sorrel
actually, it might be 80 full bounty runs, because of the 20 you get from quest rewards
eternal stag
yeah, tipsy shot is much better on the bow
sacred idol
Eesh. That's a lot of blood
eternal stag
i would say if you get a really good special + go for triple bomb and inescapable blast, maybe??
there's not really a weapon aspect that mimics the mortar playstyle
sacred idol
Triple/Inescapable does sound like the best/closest
but what I meant was, what specials are the spiciest on that
astral fjord
and there's gonna be a new weapon and 3 new aspects at release
so more blood
those titans aint gonna slay themselves
maiden steeple
It's 15 x 5 x 2 + 5 x 5 = 150 + 25 = 175 blood for all upgrades, unless I'm forgetting about something.
Although you're bound to need at least 5 x 15 more for the extra (unreleased) aspects, plus all blood for a new weapon.
eternal stag
i'd say something that works towards privileged status
aphrodite has pretty high damage scaling iirc?
hollow sorrel
I still think there should be more blood rewards, besides the 20 I already got
eternal stag
but also
sacred idol
man, I've been starved on darkness and keys currently
eternal stag
if you get posidon special + rupture + jolted + sea storm .......... 🤔
that's privileged status in one hit
astral fjord
i've just been exchanging ambrosia to blood to expidite the process
hollow sorrel
Like, even if it's "do stuff on 16 heat, or something arbitrarily higher." Just throw it in there somewhere
astral fjord
i might regret it later though
sacred idol
I will say
Jolted on a primary Flurry Fire build nearly won me the game
that was nuts
eternal stag
iirc sea storm is one of the easier ones to get
hollow sorrel
I exchanged the first few ambrosia to max the chaos shield, so I could fly through I couple bounties for more blood
sacred idol
just an absurd amount of shock spam, I only died from not really understanding how ridiculous Hades' range is
astral fjord
duo boons and legendaries have certain pre-requisites you have to pass before they even have the chance to show up
eternal stag
it's not dependent on a single boon like some of the cast duos
sacred idol
I will say, Curse of Longing sounds kinda... silly good.
eternal stag
yeah that one's pretty busted
neon ridge
it's very bad
final fox
it's not actually good
final fox
the curse damage goes from 100% -> 25% -> 6.25% -> and lower from there
so at most it's a 40%-ish increase on your doom damage IF you have a weak that lasts that long and you don't reapply doom until it really gets low
wary knot
Yeah. Like if it was 25% of the standard doom damage every tick it'd be like a pretty buff poison. As it is it's almost just a worse Impending Doom
sacred idol
Yeah, that sounds a little too poor on scaling.
final fox
what it does do, however, is keep privledged status up for as long as your weak lasts
wary knot
Pretty disappointing 
final fox
which can be decent, if you don't have other ways of proccing that
wary knot
That's true! Probably the best thing it does
sacred idol
Oh right. Where do crits scale best?
wary knot
Just quite underwhelming as far as duo boons go. But I suppose they can't all be home runs
sacred idol
Things like Shotgun Rail, or meaty single shot chunking hits?
final fox
crits scale with anything
sacred idol
No, I mean, where are they most effective to build around
wary knot
Crits on the Hestia rail are a really fun time. But I just really enjoy that weapon aspect
sacred idol
The one thing I've seen the most benefit from is shotgun rail, the damage increase got kinda silly
final fox
anything that you're dealing a lot of damage with
doesn't matter whether it's big chunky hits or lots of little hits
wary knot
Crits on the rail special are good too, considering it's a big ol AoE blast
sacred idol
Do they proc per weapon strike, or per enemy
astral fjord
world splitter is gucci for crits
sacred idol
like, if the special hits, is it all or nothing
eternal stag
man, i miss the old empowered shot hammer
wary knot
But yeah, it's always gonna be the same (relative) damage increase no matter what attack gains crit chance
eternal stag
and mirage flight on the shield
sacred idol
I did find that rail bomb was pretty dang good on crits
hollow sorrel
Unpopular opinion: hunting blades is a bit meh. I got used it with a max acheilles aspect (I wasn't lucky enough to get any of the other synergies though), and it still seemed slower than just brute forcing things with a nemesis blade
sacred idol
What's Empowered Shot and Mirage Flight?
eternal stag
seems like the corresponding aspects aren't so good
final fox
I think it's per weapon strike, but don't quote me on that
sacred idol
Lightning Rod sounds like an awful duo boon on that note
100 damage every 1.5 seconds assuming you don't touch your casts?
eternal stag
they were basically the hammer upgrades that used to correspond to the chaos and hestia aspects
wary knot
Yeah Coffee, hunting blades doesn't kill super fast. But it's incredibly fire and forget. So you can clear rooms without taking much risk
eternal stag
they were removed when weapon aspects were introduced
wary knot
Hestia rail is super good (imo). 15x damage per shot at max rank is sick
astral fjord
hunting blades is goodd against bosses(especially thesius) but if it's your primary damage on encounters there's certainly other things better to do
wary knot
How much damage was the empowered shot hammer upgrade?
eternal stag
i don't remember, but your ammo was reduced to one and your shot was always empowered
sacred idol
I also wish more Dash skills didn't suck.
eternal stag
which imo was more practical
wary knot
I just remember it doing less damage than the current Hestia aspect lol
hollow sorrel
And it felt like I had to be in melee range anyway, even with the hunting blades, because I couldn't proc priveledged without it
sacred idol
Also, is Lightning Rod as bad as it looks
eternal stag
mirage flight let you special as normal on the shield, but attack or block using x while it was out
lightning rod can be pretty good
wary knot
It's good if your cast is bad 
eternal stag
like it can absolutely destroy slow enemies like theseus or greatshields
sacred idol
oh lul
astral fjord
i wish there was an easier way to test if vicious cycle +damage gets boosted by achilles aspect
final fox
Crits have an interesting interaction with marked, though. It's good to have crits on a rapid fire attack so you can throw marked around on everything. Crit on Chiron Flourish or Rail attack can mark a lot of enemies for your alternate attack
sacred idol
...what's the strategy for shielders, anyway
I can never seem to consistently hit them in the squishies
astral fjord
dash through them
wary knot
Yeah, the math on Vicious Cycle seems like it'd be kinda weird
eternal stag
wait for when they swing out to do one of their strikes, too
then they leave themselves open
sacred idol
are they back weak in general
hollow sorrel
and if there are fast monsters around them, just dash away, because it will separate the fast monsters from the shield guys
astral fjord
they block from front like a mini thesius
sacred idol
🤔 as for dashing, does it have native iframes
astral fjord
yep
final fox
yes
eternal stag
a few, i think? can't remember where
sacred idol
because I'm honestly not sure how anyone can use blade dash or whatever without suiciding
it's so tiny, and only spawns where you start, so... an enemy has to be standing on top of you BEFORE you dash
astral fjord
not if you have hunting blades
hollow sorrel
it feels like the normal dash iFrames are just when you are actually moving
sacred idol
If
wary knot
I've never found blade dash to be very good tbh. Dunno if there's any sick boon combos you can do with it though
granite finch
is after party a one time use?
sacred idol
But at base, the 'at start' dashes feel awful
hollow sorrel
the small lag at the end counts with the athena dash deflect, but not the normal dash iFrames
astral fjord
that's the only time i would ever get them tbh
final fox
after party is not a one-time thing
final fox
it'll activate every time you dip below the threshold
sacred idol
where in the hells do I get to use that without dooming myself?
after party is incredible for people who, like me, are bad at avoiding damage.
personal favorite
final fox
aphro/dio is a great survivability duo
sacred idol
...wait. Doesn't it have potential synergy with Meg's trinket
eternal stag
my favorite is sure footing
sacred idol
Athena dash has been my favorite so far
final fox
weak to prevent damage, after party to heal you up
eternal stag
careless stephen insurance
hollow sorrel
awkwardly, the sword was my least favorite weapon at start, but now that I'm used to the attack patterns, I really like the nemesis sword
astral fjord
divine dash is the best, everything else then rift dash without hunting blades at the very bottom
sacred idol
it sounds like the kind of thing you'd want for the godsdamn Alecto fight
astral fjord
is how i rank them lol
sacred idol
rofl
astral fjord
oh then rift dash is definitely the worst then
hollow sorrel
Poseidon dash is semi-amusing at interrupting, if your weapon normally doesn't have a lot of interrupt options
sacred idol
Athena>Poseidon>Everything then
hollow sorrel
well
eternal stag
poseidon dash is great with sea storm because free privileged status, i really like aphro or dio dash too
but athena dash is my mvp
sacred idol
Hunter Dash sounds like a bit of a meme.
eternal stag
careless stephen insurance
pastel jolt
nightmare flashback to when divine dash made you dash with a slight delay
astral fjord
hunter dash is very good
stray frigate
Zeus dash is good thou to proc curse effect
eternal stag
hunter dash used to be stupid broken back in The Day
granite finch
hunter dash?
eternal stag
also nooooo sparrow............god i remember
granite finch
is that bonus damage dash?
stray frigate
@granite finch y
sacred idol
yeah
hollow sorrel
actually I like the status ailment dashes more than Poseidon, and if I do get athena dash, I try to fish for the exposed status ailment
sacred idol
haven't taken it, but...
eternal stag
it used to be 'guarantee crit' dash lmao
hollow sorrel
though poseidon does have a status ailment, if you're lucky
eternal stag
yeah, i always try a status curse on my dash
sacred idol
...how much damage can you even get dashing to do?
stray frigate
@sacred idol depends on chaos
woeful stirrup
Already 
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https://i.imgur.com/0HaFzr2.jpg
sacred idol
?
astral fjord
so it stacks with chaos boons and other god boons that boost attack
pastel jolt
..........whadda heck
stray frigate
y
final fox
yes, it'll buff both hits of the rail's dash attack
sacred idol
Holy crap, I misread that and now I feel dumb. That's actually potentially silly good
hollow sorrel
at higher heat, even having 1 damage on the dash itself can be good, because eventually everything ignores the first two attacks, regardless of how big they are
sacred idol
I should have taken it on my crit shotgun build
yeah, that's actually really good for shotgun railers
the problem with Aphro/Dionysus dash is, how the heck do you hit safely with them?
astral fjord
its only worse than divine dash imo but it doesnt apply a status which is the difference between the two
pastel jolt
does shotgun with poseidon attack still yeet asphodel enemies into the middle of next week or did they nerf that? i don't remember
hollow sorrel
You just need to know when it's safe to dash, unfortunately.
eternal stag
man...........if we didn't already have hestia aspect changing how the rail attack worked...........we COULD have a carbine style aspect
that would be my ideal
i would be a rail main
hollow sorrel
I think a lot of people just dash in different directions. Like, as long as you're not facing the enemy in the same direction for more than 1 second, you're usually good
pastel jolt
i miss heavy slug 
sacred idol
Wonder if they'll ever make curse of longing scale nicely
hollow sorrel
because some of the enemies aren't good at telegraphing their attacks. Like, the little witch things that spit out the purple balls, seem like their attack is more along a constant timer, than actually telegraphing their attack
pastel jolt
although i suppose hestia aspect is the replacement for that
sacred idol
Instead of diminishing to almost nothing.
Mostly I get wrecked by...
Oof. Theseus, honestly
eternal stag
i just don'tlike hestia aspect as much as heavy slug
sacred idol
and some of the ghosty soldiers in Elysium
eternal stag
it feels more awkward to use
sacred idol
I feel like armor scaling is a bit annoying even in the 'early game'/story run
hollow sorrel
and the monsters that throw the green grenades at you, I still can't see their attack telegraph. I just know that if they land, I don't stand in one place for long
It's not like dead cells, where you get a giant ! symbol like literally everytime something is about to attack
sacred idol
go from "this is fine, sure" up to Asphodel, and then... every godsdamn thing in Elysium suddenly has thicc yellow bars
The telegraph I cannot manage for crap? Those green poison-goop-haired wererat things in the styx temple
astral fjord
just pray for piercing shot
pastel jolt
satyrs
sacred idol
their poison of screw-you-from-a-hilarious-distance
astral fjord
if youre using rail
pastel jolt
they're more of an audio cue, i've found
wary knot
How is Hestia more awkward to use than the Slug upgrade? Just having to reload manually?
sacred idol
yeah Satyrs are... if I were in melee range, it'd be welcome to lose.
hollow sorrel
with hesta, you are often pressing reload+dash at the same time
eternal stag
reloading manually, and dash reload
wary knot
I'll admit I did remap my reload from R3 to R2 to really pop off with the hestia aspect, but it was great once I did that
eternal stag
the old way just automatically did it
hollow sorrel
or shoot, special, cancel into dash and reload while dashing
pastel jolt
i feel like hestia aspect would ruin my hands even faster than just playing normally does
wary knot
Yeah I'd recommend remapping reload
eternal stag
yeah
pastel jolt
i wish i could find somewhere comfy to remap it to, i have yet to find somewhere to put it
eternal stag
even with remapping reload, my fine motor skills aren't great, and pressing multiple buttons at once is hard for me
hollow sorrel
I remap my reload to the front R bumper (PS4 controller) when I'm playing hestia
wary knot
You're right in that it's a bit of a nightmare hitting so many face buttons quickly otherwise
eternal stag
i'm only just starting to use dash attacks
wary knot
You get into a fun rhythm eventually. But it's pretty APM intensive for sure
pastel jolt
man, i have no idea how people use ps4 controllers, the shape has jsut never felt right to my hands
wary knot
I just really enjoy 1 shotting everything in Tartarus with zero boons
eternal stag
me too, that's why i miss empowered slug 😔
hollow sorrel
ps4 controller is my favorite
sacred idol
@wary knot Right trigger for reload? That's what I did.
wary knot
I found the PS4 controller super weird at first (especially for fighting games). But it's one of my favourite controllers now
eternal stag
i've only ever used xbox
sacred idol
At least shotgun dash is pretty easy, because you kinda just mash X+A together.
hollow sorrel
A lot of the nintendo controllers are my least favorites
sacred idol
And pray to whatever gods grant you favor that you don't dash straight into a poison pool or something
wary knot
I don't know how those melee folks stand using the Gamecube controller for such fast gameplay
RIP their hands
pastel jolt
the 360 controller is my favourite, nice and Chonky™️ and the thumbsticks are in a way more comfortable place
eternal stag
yeah a controller has to have a good handfeel
hollow sorrel
Unfortunately, I use a gamecube, or the gamecube-like switch controller for the smash brother games
eternal stag
and controller is way better than kbm because then i can sit funny, heheh
wary knot
Yeah I liked and used 360 for ages. It's nice that there's a decent number of good choices out there now
hollow sorrel
the switch version at least made it better, but in melee, if you wanted to quickly go into a walk state, or quickly go into a tilt attack, it was super awful without a gamecube controller
wary knot
But speaking of remapping buttons, this run made me remap cast to L1 because Fully Loaded + Hera aspect is a lot of mashing cast https://imgur.com/a/jYUe0d0
sacred idol
I use a Steelseries Stratus XL, because it's the best I've got. It's a bit stiff, hence the pain issue, but otherwise good
hollow sorrel
like, "very quickly tilt the stick 5%"
"but only 5%. anymore than that and you run or smash attack"
sacred idol
oof
wary knot
Yeah Smash inputs are surprisingly precise
sacred idol
I'm so glad I only play games casually.
If I tried to be at all competitive, I would just end up destroying my fingers further
On another note, anyone got tips for early, first-clear setups and farming?
eternal stag
can't go wrong with athena + a source of privileged status
sacred idol
Like, darkness farming for big dumb idiots, which keepsakes should I be fishing out other than the obvious crutch ones like Lucky Tooth and Cerberus' collar
hollow sorrel
It might be an unpopular opinion, but when you start out, some weapons are worse than others. Like, I think rank 1 eris and rank 1 hestia are garbage
stray frigate
true
hollow sorrel
the shield is still decent at rank 1, because it still does the blocking thing really well
sacred idol
Harpy Feather Duster, good or awful?
eternal stag
mm, if you're darkness farming anyway try nyx's at full level
stray frigate
for example lvl 1 hera is good
sacred idol
my Hestia's at 3 for all my blood
stray frigate
and Chiron requires lvl5
wary knot
I really like the coin purse for the first biome, +200 gold is a nice chunk of change
hollow sorrel
hera and Poseidon still do their unique thing even at rank 1
stray frigate
@hollow sorrel nah poseidon should be maxed too
wary knot
That's a great point Coffee, some aspects definitely do better at lower aspect ranks
stray frigate
50% cast damage
astral fjord
yeah but you take it for the special dislodge
wary knot
I mean you should max it obviously, but you can still spam casts like a champ with lv1 Poseidon
hollow sorrel
I'm thinking more along the lines of "you can get your first sword clear on that easier than the other rank 1 swords"
hollow sorrel
because you'll can ranged cast more often
sacred idol
are any of the Zag ones ever really good good
stray frigate
shield just op any aspect
sacred idol
oh yeah, DR. Stacks additively with the other ones, I guess?
astral fjord
true
sacred idol
I honestly had a horrible time with default shield
stray frigate
cus i dont want to have been hit
sacred idol
It did so little damage the hydra felt like more of a slog than usual
Think my boons that run were hot garbage, but still.
astral fjord
just pray for good boons xd
hollow sorrel
hydra can be terrible, if you don't have a lot of the mirror unlocked
astral fjord
or do a revenge build
sacred idol
What kinda boons benefit the shield most
astral fjord
use that dr to its fullest
stray frigate
u take dash attack and double attack with hammer
hollow sorrel
the shield already has knockback on its default attacks, so poseidon isn't as good?
sacred idol
everyone calling him dio makes me want an april fools jojoke
sacred idol
April 1 2020: Dionysus replaces the first god you get that isn't him, saying "You were expecting [god], but it was me, Dionysus!"
hollow sorrel
oh yeah, I usually avoid that one because of that
I'd totes be ok if there was a Za Worldo call for Dio
astral fjord
i wish the shield had more transformative daeds
like the rail
rail runs are so much different depending on what daed u got
sacred idol
Oh right, which matters more, boon rarity or level?
hollow sorrel
the the boon actually is matters more, a lot of the time
astral fjord
^ that too
hollow sorrel
there are a lot of garbage boons
sacred idol
Hmm. Would Hestia aspect be stronger or weaker if it changed the empowered shot to the shotgun or whatever...
True, any level of divine dash just feels great to have
astral fjord
rather have a base support fire than epic quick reload on a nemesis aspect
hollow sorrel
One of my favorite things about Poseidon, is that he doesn't seem to have as many garbage boons. Yeah, they don't work on a lot of the bosses, but it's better than a lot of the other gods' garbage boons
sacred idol
Man, now I'm immediately running into this problem
Epic Curse of Vengeance or rare Battle Rage, on Hestia rail with nothing but Divine Dash
astral fjord
battle rage is the when you kill
sacred idol
the other one's slicing shot, which...
sacred idol
Yeah, but feedback has pointed out how stupid easy it is to miss with that...
astral fjord
makes your gameplay loop much stronger tho
sacred idol
tbf, yeah, outside of some bosses (gods damn you, theseus)
astral fjord
i dont like that boon on any other weapon but hestia is perf
final fox
battle rage is great on hestia rail
sacred idol
I had such a dumbass death one of the other times though. Eesh. My last run ended because I took 'damage on using attack' on a non special hammered rail run, and spent ten minutes miserably trying to bomb the hydra with a boonless bomb
...Maimed Favor, Maimed Strike, Roiling Soul early on. Whew. Looks like I'm going sniper today
astral fjord
i once died cause i forgot i had the chaos debuff on my attack and i kept spamming it :D
sacred idol
75% damage extra on Attack from Chaos, sounds... uh... scary on the hestia shot
oh, this is because I put on the 🥚
well I'm early enough in a run that not having my basic attack won't be immediate and comical suicide, I guess
Is there a way to count rooms without manually keeping track?
sacred idol
oh good.
lmao, Aphrodite attack, +75% on Chaos buff, and Battle Rage... the run REALLY wants me to play hestia sniper
granite finch
gets exclusive access just before final boss... silent cries
sacred idol
F
pure junco
Is it just me or do the passageways in the temple of styx have like... TONS of golden urns?
sacred idol
Oh right. Is the cosmic egg considered one of the better trinkets
stray frigate
egg is... wildcard
granite finch
it does usually
final fox
pretty sure the styx passageways have an increased chance for golden urns
sacred idol
Yeah... when it does give you gates though, it seems really awesome, if you can survive the nerfs
woeful stirrup
Egg can be nice, if you're lucky. My last run had a grand total of one Chaos gate, with no Chaos gate thing purchasable from wells. Egg's not worth much with this.
sacred idol
I got lucky this run. I forgot to unequip it, and my very first chaos gate was an epic rarity Maimed Strike pick on Hestia
But now that I've got all these stacks of Attack stuff, my hammer slightly messes with me. Rocket Bomb or Flurry Fire?
Battle rage, double stacked attack buffs, but if I'm using the sniper round do I take flurry fire as a backup, or rocket bomb to have a usable Special for chaos curses that doesn't take all day to land?
If this had just been piercing shot I'd be living the dream with a railgun that hits for just under 300 at a rank 3 aspect.
hollow sorrel
I actually like the rocket. It seemed much easier to land than the mortar
sacred idol
Yeah, but current build is Battle Rage, Maimed Strike, Aphrodite attack, meaning all my buffs are in Attack
which makes the Hestia shot hilariously powerful... do I ever have a need for lots of non-Empowered shots at this point?
if I'm always better off spamming Empowered Shot, then I should go with rockets in case I get some kinda fancy status rocket for Privileged, right?
hollow sorrel
like, I tend to special while I'm reloading, so it's part of my rotation
granite finch
if u get infinite ammo + hestia shot = all empowered shots?
sacred idol
No
It's completely useless.
You still need to manual reload, so infinity chamber is about as useful as not taking a hammer
sacred idol
Yeah. But the upgrade is Flurry Fire
hollow sorrel
or if it's Poseidon attack, and you want to interrupt things
sacred idol
Not sure I need that when I'm specced into monster single shots, not Poison shot or Zeus lightning spam, it's Aphrodite's weakness blast with 71% damage
kinda figure regular attack is enough to spread status, right?
hollow sorrel
I think a big part of the game is sometimes the boons are garbage for your build
sacred idol
so in that case, I should diversify and get rocket bomb, so if Chaos decides I don't get to basic attack today, I'm not completely helpless.
yeah I have excellent boons for the build but the hammer is trollin' by being imperfect
hollow sorrel
I personally like rocket, but I'm sure there are some people that will tell you to get flurry fire just because it's not the rocket
sacred idol
but come to think of it, if I find a lucky roll and a god gives me a really good status special, I'll be rolling in Privileged
that and I have not taken rocket. bounty list wants me to.
may as well appease the fates
What statuses go well with rockets?
Weak is already on main shot
oh, rocket looks fun so far
hollow sorrel
I like doom, unless you have the triple special
on slow specials, I really like doom. On fast specials I usually like poison
sacred idol
Man, this is just...
Wow. Alecto died like wet rice paper in a thunderstorm.
Sniper Hestia is just so good.
hollow sorrel
and if you get doom on your attack, you might want to sometimes just whack the low hp mobs with unempowered shots just to proc the doom damage
sacred idol
Yeah, I figured.
If I get lucky and Ares offers me that...
If only Curse of Heartbreak didn't suck irrevocably, it'd be silly
astral fjord
what's the best weapon to do a butterfly run on?
final fox
bow or rail, IMO
the closer you get the more likely it is that you slip up and get hit
sacred idol
Butterfly run?
atomic panther
Pierced Butterfly, a keepsake that gives you a damage bonus if you clear a room without taking damage
sacred idol
Hmm. +62 health or +28% chance to have rare or better boons, from Chaos
atomic panther
I think Rail is the best weapon for a Butterfly run, since it's a very ranged weapon, and the special gets insanely strong with the bonuses
sacred idol
Oh yeah. That does sound like a Rail thing if you get Hestia spec and the kind of rolls I've been getting (+Attack, +Attack, +Attack)
or a Special spam build like Triple Rockets
atomic panther
Alternatively, you can take Poseidon Aspect on the sword and get absurd with Aphrodite cast
sacred idol
How does the Eris Aspect work for absorbing, exactly
atomic panther
You have to be standing in the blast when it lands
sacred idol
ah, that's definitely not what I'd take for the butterfly
Anyway, what's more value, a ton of health or rarity buffs from Chaos?
hollow sorrel
I think anyone that would seriously consider using the butterfly instead of the god keepsakes, probably don't have the problem of getting hit, and are fine with any weapon
atomic panther
I see them as about equal, so it really depends on what the downsides are
sacred idol
Also - generally speaking, what Eurydice picks do people prefer
atomic panther
I prefer rarity every time
sacred idol
Oh. Abyssal health is 4 encounters of mega trap damage, rarity is 3 encounters worth of damaged on Attack
hollow sorrel
If I have garbage boons, I'll pick the +1 category instead
atomic panther
I'd take health, then
sacred idol
I'm on an attack build, but since I'm starting out Asphodel, the first three won't be super hard to just slowly spam rockets.
atomic panther
If it's early, and you can handle the attack penalty, then probably the rarity, actually
sacred idol
yeah, it's very first room asphodel
I've gotten all my spicy chaos stuff on the first few rooms this run.
hollow sorrel
I think the rail's default attack is the only thing that makes me cringe about the rail. Like the "no attack chaos boon" would be awful with just the default special
hollow sorrel
whereas the bow's special attack can at least be shotgunned to do decent damage
sacred idol
Default special's fine, just that travel time is a bit too slow
hollow sorrel
spamming the default sword default isn't too terrible either
atomic panther
I genuinely love the Rail special
sacred idol
Ohhh, huh. I already have +Health on my chaos. Good thing I went rarity.
astral fjord
im using it because i',m noticing that i've been getting low even at tartarus so i want to relearn dodging
the butterfly i mean
atomic panther
That's a good use of it!
hollow sorrel
I sort of want to try a maxed default sword + plume run, just for the movement speed lolz
atomic panther
I've tried it, and it is VERY fun
brave marsh
ACtually not a fan of middle management and boat of death
atomic panther
You end up walking faster than you dash
brave marsh
seems like there is no counter play just dodge and hope for the best
sacred idol
Ah, dodging. So you zig-reus, and then you zag-reus?
atomic panther
Plus, since you don't have to waste time dashing and can get more normal attacks in, there's a few builds Plume + Zagreus Blade really let shine
Like, for example, utilizing the full might of the World Splitter
kindred matrix
Is the 2nd sword aspect any good?
kindred matrix
Crit after special
atomic panther
I like it
kindred matrix
Hybrid builds tend to be hit or miss from what I find
atomic panther
I don't like it as much as Poseidon, but I like it
kindred matrix
What boons work well with it?
atomic panther
35% crit chance means you're critting about every three hits, but you can increase that to 50% if you take Artemis
kindred matrix
Its additive?
atomic panther
Yup!
hollow sorrel
crits are multiplied, not added
atomic panther
Crit chance is additive
hollow sorrel
erm
sacred idol
Isn't Nemesis one of the 'meta' ones for DPS
sacred idol
...Spent Spirit or Blinding Flash?
atomic panther
Ares + Artemis is Hunting Blades
sacred idol
I mean, on one hand, Expose adds one of the two statuses for privileged on my dash, but... it's one of the really strong duo boons.
kindred matrix
Which one us spent spirit?
sacred idol
Wait, yeah. I'm flirting with Chaos this run. I really don't want to get shot more than I have to.
-60% projectile speed
atomic panther
^^^
kindred matrix
Ah
sacred idol
that's insane for shot spamming enemies
atomic panther
It's very good
hollow sorrel
hmm, I wonder if it used to be multiplied, or if I just heard wrong. It is added now
kindred matrix
I really like blinding flash
hollow sorrel
the wiki history doesn't help
sacred idol
yeah, but versus one of the strongest defensive boons...
I figure expose just isn't quite as hot
astral fjord
hoh i got through the hydra fight without getting hit
kindred matrix
My favourite thing is getting athena dash blinding flash
And more dashes from hermes
Makes every build better
astral fjord
basically invincible at that point
sacred idol
Hey, if I'm not an idiot, I might actually defeat Hades in this run.
astral fjord
only worry bout traps
hollow sorrel
i wish artemis didn't have the worst status ailment though. I don't like her on attack just because of that
sacred idol
I'm stacked to the skies with some really powerful Chaos buffs.
kindred matrix
Artemis's status is increased crit on a random target?
hollow sorrel
when you crit, a random OTHER target gets the status ailment, i think
hollow sorrel
I'm not sure
kindred matrix
IE: bosses?
hollow sorrel
honestly, if it did that I might really want it
sacred idol
Do Kisses of Styx do something if your Death Defiance is full? Or are they a waste of 200 coins?
hollow sorrel
I think it doesn't let you buy it if you're full
sacred idol
Oh, it's a SPARE Death Defiance according to wiki
hollow sorrel
are these the thing from the purple cauldron things?
sacred idol
Guess I'll try it. I need insurance because I'm bad with Theseus.
It doesn't do that @kindred matrix
I friggin' wish
kindred matrix
Unfortunate
sacred idol
Oh, nope, it really doesn't let you buy the kiss
hollow sorrel
yeah, I kind of wish the UI would have made it obviously grayed out, or obviously red text, or something
atomic panther
Yeah the Wiki's out of date
kindred matrix
Oh
Someone already posted that
Hunters mark applies to target if theyre the only one alive
In feedback
sacred idol
Holy crap. The hydra is even more of a meme than usual with Spent
kindred matrix
But its from august
sacred idol
Its energy blast attack is hilarious when it's moving in bullet time
astral fjord
yooooo im at 43.5%
hollow sorrel
the homing bullet from hydra are super lolz at slower speed, because sometimes they don't want to leave the screen
like, it'll just keep chasing you
sacred idol
"I'll kill you! In ten minutes!"
sacred idol
Shield?
kindred matrix
Blocks proc revenge?
stray frigate
@kindred matrix u want Zeus/Ares duo
and lot of DR
shield give u dr
Achiles trincet
Dio may give u dr
kindred matrix
Aphrodite
stray frigate
Aphro and athena too
stray frigate
idk
sacred idol
How's Ares' Aid in general?
fading osprey
Has anyone already talked about the snake statues in Styx floating into places where they cannot be hit (where a wall should be, but instead is unpassable geometry such as a collapsed wall), but they can still hit you? I'm guessing so, since it happened to Northernlion. However, worth pointing out just in case as it's happened on my last two runs in a row (thank you Artemis seeking arrows for getting me out of that jam)
kindred matrix
I like ares aid
sacred idol
The 'constant revenge proc' duo boon sounds like a funny way to just meme around and turtle with the shield, block while you kill everything every 3.5 sec
stray frigate
yes
sacred idol
I have a choice between Ares Aid Epic, Curse of Vengeance Rare, and Urge to Kill Common.
I already have Blinding on my dash and Weak on my attack, so Privileged is up fairly easily...
stray frigate
Why Eris passive doesnt work for Eris Q
sacred idol
No aid, and UtK is good but it's so low rarity it doesn't seem worth taking over ares aid
so I guess I should get myself a call as an oh crap button for Hades and Theseus
stray frigate
wait
kindred matrix
Yeah
stray frigate
it does
sacred idol
If it had been epic UtK my gunshot would be even more OP, but alas.
small belfry
i had the sheild plus revenge combo on a stygian run, died on elysium boss. its just a better dodge imo
sacred idol
Oh, spicy. Doom special at last. Now I'm fully loaded with status spam.
stray frigate
@astral fjord use some another links
astral fjord
took out all the bosses without getting hit
i wonder if i could do the same for thee last one
got by with the artemis burst with the chaos shield lol
sand glade
Good job!
haughty gate
sacred idol
Actually. Is Slicing Shot good
Man, I have Curse of Longing available and wish it were viable :c
But it's on my fated list...
I mean, I guess it's still more DPS than Urge to Kill rare tier.
Might as well.
astral fjord
good enough to get through the first stage of the fight without getting hit
unfortunately dashed through a vase
:/
sacred idol
Holy crap. Even CoL is doing work with how many stacked damage things I have rolling
Theseus went down like a sack of bricks, because apparently doing 404 damage to him is health not found
granite finch
huh first time beating hades with an attack focus build vs special
alot more fun + stressfull, less staying alive
sacred idol
...this is a hard choice. Aphrodite's Aid Heroic, replacing Ares' Aid Epic, or Sweet Surrender Epic
stray frigate
Aphro aid not rly cool imo
sacred idol
Sweet Surrender is yet another 20% damage bonus, but the Heroic Call has 2500 damage at max gauge, which... does that affect Hades?
sacred idol
Well yeah, I guess charm doesn't really work well on bosses
am I better off with the 20% damage to just DPS him down with my railgun of doom
neon ridge
no, Aphro's aid does full damage to bosses
sacred idol
oh. is it worth taking and hoping for a max bar Call in the Hades fight on a single shot railgun build?
I had a ton of call during a Zeus machinegun run, but this one isn't as heavy on callspam
stray frigate
u mean damage
neon ridge
yes, you should only be using full call on bosses, for Aphro
stray frigate
i thought u say about charm
sacred idol
Yeah, I meant damage.
neon ridge
the charm works too, if you need to cancel the beam or whatever
sacred idol
Am I going to get a max Call with Hestia reloader build+rocket
granite finch
whats this one shot railgun?