Jesus you have a lot of money, I just got 481 from a single chamber, that's my highest yet.
#h1-builds-and-combat
pure junco
novel python
Where did Meg dissapear from the house though
grim adder
I got a lot of HP too
pure junco
Sometimes people are there, sometimes they are not.
grim adder
and that was without life affirmation
grim adder
bouldy makes a huge difference
stuck bough
pure junco
insert lenny face here
turbid needle
Nice.
grim adder
all that and he only cost me 70hp to kill
pure junco
Oof
grim adder
shield too stronk, must take more risks
pure junco
I don't think the Aphrodite casts hit when you use special with Hera bow...
turbid needle
It can miss, yeah.
pastel trench
it hits some of the times, but it seems since the point of origin is the initial enemy contact point, it goes past them?
grim adder
I just got the 2000 gem cosmetic upgrade and I find out there's a 3000 gem one (on top of the 5000 I haven't gotten)
pure junco
Yes, Calamari, it hits and then the cast triggers, going straight through them.
Last passageway sack -.-
turbid needle
So when Zagreus winds up Scatter Shot on a normal Cast, you can see the hitboxes are two bursts that conjoin. I'm not sure why.
pure junco
Epic Poseidon call or epic sunken treasure?
turbid needle
But anyway, the hitbox keeps that shape on Hera, and so casts will miss, because there's a gap in the hitbox that close to one end.
Sunken Treasure.
turbid needle
Are you short any HP? Could you buy anything off the money you get from it?
Wait, you had 2k in the shop, right?
turbid needle
Yeah, Sunken Treasure.
pure junco
I got the same boon choices a 2nd time, same pick?
I get like 72 darkness and 10 gems from it so, it's eh.
grim adder
is kb+m considered easier or harder than controller?
trim coral
i play kbm
novel python
What's the max level of olympian favor and god's pride?
turbid needle
50 points of OF, 25 of GP.
novel python
So kind of a lot, alriiight
trim coral
yea
native ether
add-on packages for artifacts. Example 1000 Darkness, 10 Cthonic Keys, 5 Diamond for $5.00
I'm glad to see no one agrees with this one :p
(though I would happily pay for dlc content)
mild crag
Honestly surprised somebody would suggest that rather than suggest making them easier to get, reducing costs, or improving the broker
native ether
I am too, but I guess in this day and age paying for in game currency and rewards is just "the norm"
Which as a side note, is really sad
pallid sky
yo can I see which weapons I've defeated the Furies with anywhere
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663137807656681532/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 dash or support fire?
native ether
Unfortunately not without beating the game at least once @pallid sky
pallid sky
roger that
novel python
I already have the poison on special so I guess I can replace the dash but support fire is nuts
native ether
Dash imo. Support Fire isn't as good on the Spear. It's a slower weapon.
Plus you can combo it with the spin
novel python
I'm searching for the flurry daedalus tbh
native ether
For megahurt
novel python
I barely use the spin myself
pallid sky
i also find the spin too slow to apply except on dudes spawning in
native ether
And the Spear's dash attack is imo the best dash in the game.
novel python
That I agree
What I'm going for is more of an AA based build
I've already got aphro's attack upgrade to rank 4, got the poison to proc the 50% damage
I just need some more damage rn
And crit if possible
atm I hit for 104 no crit when I apply both weak and poison
river pier
Hermes have heroic versions of his boons but on the wiki page only certain boons have a note that only Eudrydice can upgrade it to heroic
Does it mean that there is another way for some boons (e.g. +dashes) to become heroic or it's just misleading info in wiki?
grim adder
the only 2 ways to get heroics, that I know of, are Eurydice and when you're offered a swap
native ether
Swaps and Eurydice are the only current ways to get Heroic boons.
grim adder
and Hermes boons don't get swap offers
native ether
Yep
river pier
Yes, but Hermes does not have swaps
native ether
Yep, so it's just Eurydice for Hermes boons
river pier
got it, thanks
native ether
It says only Eurydice can do it because Hermes will never offer swaps for his boons
Because Swaps are only offered for the Primary boons
grim adder
I'm stumped on this choice: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663122990338408489/663140196090380299/unknown.png
novel python
grim adder
oof, I really like Pressure Points
turbid needle
Pressure Points.
grim adder
but I'm also fond of Support Fire
turbid needle
And Lightning Strike, Danikov.
grim adder
yeah, I was thinking the other two might be Duos, but they're kinda weak, esp. against bosses
pastel jolt
@grim adder i would go lightning strike
athena attack isn't as good on rail because of the narrow aim
imo
novel python
also, patroclus or daedalus? I could use patro's hp right now, I'm at 15/175
But dae could give me flurry
grim adder
wasn't my first choice, believe you me
turbid needle
You'll probably only see Pat this once, should probably take it.
novel python
If it's chamber 34 it means that the next one's boss right
so id rather go for the shop if it is
pure junco
Wow I got so unlucky, I am doing a run for darkness and gold so I can maybe buy blood or a diamond at the end. I got offered 1 Poseidon boon, the ocean's bounty wasn't offered. I got offered 2 chaos boons, both were gold. And I proceeded to never find gold.
novel python
Suhweet
pure junco
Chamber 37 is the chamber after T&M
novel python
So if I'm at 34 and 35 is shop / dae means that the next one after shop is spear boi and his dog
Aight, thanks
turbid needle
Yes.
pure junco
Odd names for Theseus and the Minotaur: Spear boi and his dog, T&M, That one guy and the bull, Arrogant Alex and Musky Minotaur.
Nobody says Arrogant Alex and Musky Minotaur haha
turbid needle
If you wanna be pedantic, Styx is really spear boi and his doge.
novel python
question. Keep Speartip for styx or switch to tooth? Only 1 DD left
turbid needle
Any chance of buying a Kiss of Styx or seeing Athena?
novel python
Not really sure
In the tunnel between ely and styx theres nothing
no kiss*
And not sure about athena
pure junco
This run is so sad, my main dps is my lvl 5 Aphrodite caste 
pallid sky
aphro cast evoked the same response from me as the rest of her first time round
novel python
ive got lvl 4 aphro attack and lvl 3 heroic arte dash as my main DPS sources
robust garden
i am such a happy camper rn
i was going for a trolly spear run
and i actually did it
robust garden
gaming
pure junco
I had to do 4 to get to 14something
Then the last chamber gave me like 300 haha
But I got there in the end.
novel python
Is the first rank of Chiron too weak for clearing with?
small belfry
for euridice, is it better to level boons or get rarity upgrades for them
novel python
Depends if you already have your build roughly already made or you need some more boons to make it work
turbid needle
I'd level up Chiron to at least 6 shots before trying to play with it
novel python
Is it worth trading an abrosia for a titan blood? I've never actually used ambrosia until now
Like at all
But I'd like to get chiron higher
final fox
you currently need 44 total ambrosia over the course of the game
you currently need 180 titan blood to fully unlock all aspects
you get 2 titan blood and 1 ambrosia per pact level, but you need more than 4 titan blood for every 1 ambrosia to unlock everything
so go ahead and trade ambrosia for titan blood, you need way more titan blood than you do ambrosia
grim adder
180 sounds a bit high, I thought it was closer to 156 or so
6 weapons, 1/1/1/1/1, 1/2/3/4/5, and 2/2/3/4/5 iirc
potent lichen
New run time while at ||5 heat|| https://imgur.com/a/2cFVRNI
final fox
5 for zag aspect, 15 for the second, 16 for the third, 36 total
5 weapons, so 36 times 5
is 180
grim adder
oh, no, I didn't carry a 1, you're right, I was doing 26 * 6, not 36
final fox
it'll be higher once we get the 4th aspects and 6th weapon
final fox
bronze skin 100% does apply to boss attacks
the chaos pact that increases the amount of foes you face won't duplicate bosses, even though it would be really funny if it did
the chaos pact that increases the damage you take from foes does affect boss damage
small belfry
wouldn't that chaos boon have to have 100% more enemies since they can't spawn half a boss?
final fox
not for the hydra fight
final fox
a pact that adds 50% of enemies would make the final wave have 9 heads
imagine nine heads
small belfry
i was thinking that maybe the hydra could have a different colored head for the main head
that'd be sweet but really hard to do?
its like adding 5 more bosses
so just dreaming rn
grim adder
one you get to 100%. just have 2 main heads
small belfry
18 heads
sinful atlas
Hey there! I have a question: While watching a let's play I saw Hermes giving the option to the player of having the gods talk less to the player, or just keep talking as normal. The player in question also skips dialogue quickly often. Does anyone in here know if this game has a system going on that tracks if a player skips dialogue often and fast, prompting this question through hermes to change how often you get god-boon-pickup blurbs? If so, that's really cool design, weaving option menu settings into gameplay like that. I'd be impressed.
sinful atlas
To add on, I rarely skip dialogue and have been playing a lot, but have never had Hermes give me that option before. This is why I'm wondering.
mild crag
it happens if you skip hermes dialogue frequently
sinful atlas
Oh really, only his?
mild crag
if you skipped it quickly you'll hear him make a quip like "eh, you get the jist"
sinful atlas
That's hilarious. But it effects all gods dialogue?
sinful atlas
okay so a little bit less large of a system then, but still really cool.
mild crag
but hermes is the only one who reacts to having his dialogue skipped over
sinful atlas
Thanks Kossetsu, that's rad.
gray lintel
Ironically I'm just a fast reader which is why I do it.
grim adder
wretched broker is offering 150 gems for 1 titan blood and I'm so tempted
full flame
Are there certain conditions to get Exit Wounds from Artemis? I never see that one
grim adder
@full flame yes, you should consult my chart!
sinful atlas
@grim adder I'd take that every time
grim adder
full flame
Where is your chart?
full flame
@grim adder thank you!
oak owl
best deal is 150 gems for a titan blood
grim adder
seems like exit wounds is from any of the main 5 artemis ones, which means it's in a fairly large pool, so it's just RNG really
sinful atlas
@grim adder That chart is amazing, holy smokes well done.
trim coral
you need some boons for others to appear? is that what im seeing
mild crag
yes
grim adder
yes, certain boons don't appear unless you've taken other boons first
mild crag
yes such as "deflected attacks do more damage"
grim adder
there's some not on this chart that upgrade other boons, but it was too complicated with them on
mild crag
you need something which deflects first
trim coral
oh true makes sense
am i reading here correctly then you need exit wounds, quick reload, and burst shot for fully loaded to spawn
unkempt pagoda
in general, tier 2 and tier 3 boons need previous foundational boons
grim adder
one of those 3
trim coral
oh ok
unreal sierra
Has anyone ever seen Chaos' legendary? I'm on run 68, been needing that last boon since run 4. I have completed four other gods from scratch and still haven't seen it. What does it even do?
grim adder
+1 death defiance
grim adder
it's just RNG though, I've seen it 3 times in the last 60 runs or so
I don't know when it was patched in though
grim adder
if it's legendary, like the hermes one, it might require you to have taken a chaos boon previously, but that's 100% speculation on my part
unkempt pagoda
i believe you need to have at least one chaos boon before you get the chance to see it
trim coral
i havent seen unhealthy fixation yet that sounds so good lol
grim adder
charm is... bugged right now
trim coral
what does it do
grim adder
I'd steer clear until its fixed
final fox
deflected shots and charmed enemies deal increased damage to enemies, because of the discrepancy between zag's health and enemies health
if they did regular damage they wouldn't be worth using
but the bug is that charmed enemies can still damage zag with their attacks, and do charmed-enemy damage to zag
unkempt pagoda
charm, with a fast enough attack, can completely negate bosses bc they just sit there lmao. charm is great
final fox
so you can randomly get obliterated by like a 70 damage attack from a charmed enemy
grim adder
right now, there's still a chance for them to hit you, with their increased damage. so yeah, you just get one-shot out of the blue
there should be something that tracks how many gems you've spent on changing the drapes
trim coral
lol
bleak falcon
And a prophecy for changing them x amount of times that awards 10 gems.
"On second thought . . . "
lofty totem
I just did a quarter of the minotaurs health with one shot
stoic ginkgo
What were you using?
grim adder
was it the bow aspect that loads up casts?
lofty totem
Festive fog, hera aspect, triple shot, explosive arrows, blackout, the zeus god gauge related damage buffs, and poison attacks
yes danikov
its busted
grim adder
busted, unbalanced, it's early access 🙂
stoic ginkgo
Okay, I thought it might have been Hera aspect
lofty totem
Ive done similar damage before tho
grim adder
I haven't even unlocked that aspect yet
stoic ginkgo
Reminds me of runs that I end up with 2400 damage crits with Hestia Aspect
lofty totem
welp
and now ive deleted a third of second phase hades health bar
that was the most busted run ive ever had
period
robust garden
hey guys how do i get a summon
trim coral
is hermes hard coded to be first in asphodel or something
why is it always hermes first in asphodel
robust garden
it's either hermes or a heart iirc
lofty totem
hermes or shadow
trim coral
not that im complaining, gotta love hermes
robust garden
what's shadow
lofty totem
purple stuff
robust garden
darkness
lofty totem
errr
trim coral
by far
lofty totem
im not
robust garden
ah.
robust garden
so anyways
lofty totem
so I confuse them often
robust garden
how does one get a summon
bleak falcon
Give a bunch of nectar to the people you can get one from, then give them an ambrosia.
robust garden
i've been giving skelly nectar every time i see him yet i have no option to give ambrosia
how much is a bunch
bleak falcon
Like 7+ (?) not sure exact
And you need to have your Zagreus aspect for Stygius maxed.
For Skelly at least.
robust garden
wait what
bleak falcon
It's one of the "quests"
robust garden
so does the nectar i've been giving him count even if i dont have the aspect maxed
or have i just been wasting it
bleak falcon
No, it'll be a dialogue thing that he talks about once you've maxed his nectar.
trim coral
are chthonic keys useless now besides for the broker
not including the fated rerolls you get from them in game
bleak falcon
Basically, until eventual updates I guess.
robust garden
yeah
@pastel jolt hey you may want to update the ambrosia section on the wiki for thanatos
grim adder
chiron + heroic artemis special = OP
robust garden
since it only talks about the pierced butterfly
grim adder
2 volleys per hydra head
pastel jolt
the wiki can be edited by anyone, but sure, i'll go fix that real quick
pastel jolt
some of the pages have been updated for the gifting rework, but not all of them
robust garden
yeah sisyphus and than havent
trim coral
whats the artemis special
bleak falcon
Like the other Artemis things
trim coral
nutty
robust garden
basically yeah
grim adder
you don't get a status effect, though, without the marking boon, and that's not on your target
but you don't seem to need it because the damage output is insane
robust garden
i did hestia with artemis cast and the doubel cast thing
hunter dash, and atremis attack
trim coral
thats cheeky af
robust garden
i had such a good run
tbh
the cast was heroic btw
cuz i swapped a zeus cast for it
robust garden
yeah
trim coral
bring arrowhead and get it first i guess lol
bleak falcon
So for the longest time, I couldn't figure out why I just couldn't seem to get the Athena legendary boon. Turns out you need the deflect damage buff boon. It's the only boon I haven't gotten.
trim coral
or atleast try to
robust garden
it sucks btw
grim adder
oh dear. so I have aphrodite's weak on my attack (to target chiron) and I just got offered Heart Rend (+50% crit vs weak)
pastel jolt
there we go, thanatos's page updated
grim adder
so each shot is hitting for 154, 7+4 shots, that's 1694 per volley? oof
trim coral
nice
anyone know how damage resist stacks
like do i really have 55% damage resist with myrmidon bracer and zag aspect shield
grim adder
no hit the elysium boss(es) so yeah, I'm liking this lots
trim coral
plus another 15 from bronze skin for 70
plus 25% chance to dodge with greater evasion
how do you die with this
grim adder
I don't think it stacks, it probably multiplies
otherwise silly things like that happens
but that'd just be a guess on my part
trim coral
surely right?
grim adder
the other possibility is there's a hidden cap and you're wasting damage resist past it
or the game is broken if you stack too much resist
trim coral
you could theoretically reach 100% if there wasnt a cap. dionysus has positive outlook and aphrodite has some amount too right? thats in the ballpark of 100
bleak falcon
Why would they prevent you from becoming a god?
wooden lodge
I had the Poseidon knockback attack for 90% of the run but swapped it out for a weakening attack at the end since knockback doesn't work on bosses(?)
deflecting dash is probably the most important source of damage prevention in the game, in my experience
lusty hawk
eh, i think any run where i dont get hera dash is a sad run
there are so many times where it would have saved me, and theres definitely a lot of times that the other dashes do little to nothing for me besides artemis
steep prairie
Poseidon dash is bae
bleak falcon
Yeah, Poseidon and Athena are good purely for urn smashing.
lusty hawk
tbh i think urns should break from dashes regardless of if you have damage or not, the amount of times ive dashed into a pack of urns and i cant actually walk out of it without attacking is astounding
grim adder
I find aphrodite's dash is a great way of getting a second status effect when you've got artemis on one of your mains
trim coral
athena dash is my favourite one
but ive skipped it for other stuff like artemis dash or just to get another athena boon
trim coral
also "you can dash +3 more times in a row" poggers
robust garden
what do you guys think about myrmidon vs tooth for the last fight
bleak falcon
Depends on how many defies you have left.
steep prairie
If I didnt use damage butterfly from the start I prefer cerberus HP boost
dull island
...My first time getting to Asphodel was all in dash +3 and getting Poseidon's dash to rupture :'D
steep prairie
Yes its OP
steep prairie
Its basically your magic spell, its weak on its own but when you get boons for it then it gets stronger
wooden lodge
the amount of power I would get from upgrading it might be incredible but there is a lot of cost involved there
steep prairie
Also you get a darkness upgrade that increases your damage against a foe with those casts lodged inside them
wooden lodge
yeah
also the game told me what this screen does but I don't really understand https://i.imgur.com/58WRWMd.jpg
something about getting a bounty, a heat gauge
steep prairie
You can increase the difficulty on the left, it increasea the heat
dull island
Just pick up some cast augmenting boons and give it a go,
steep prairie
By choosing somerhing to increase, then it goes up by the cost next to it
Then on each heat level, you can earn rewards with the weapons again
pastel jolt
you can earn rewards by putting points into the right side of this interface, which will make the game harder
wooden lodge
oh so it's optional?
I was under the impression that from now on the heat gauge would always build for each weapon
steep prairie
Yes, but worth it fo earning titan blood and gems again
wooden lodge
and then I would have to switch weapons
pastel jolt
not unless you put points in
steep prairie
Now you can pick how it goes up, but each weapon's heat is tracked seperately
pastel jolt
it's worth just sort of messing about with it a little to see which pact conditions you like and which ones you'd rather avoid
grim adder
the heat gauge is just the sum of the pact points
steep prairie
So if you got one weapon to heat 10 and its difficult for you, you can switch to another and start at heat 1
wooden lodge
ok so, let's say I put 5 points into forced overtime, boosting enemies speed and attack by +50%, do I get more bonuses or whatever as opposed to one point?
steep prairie
No dont go over what the gauge on the left tells you to
grim adder
you can play each weapon at any heat level you like, but there's certain bands for bounties and you can only earn bounties once
wooden lodge
like aside from the bounties this seems like it strictly makes the game harder
pastel jolt
that's the idea!
grim adder
so you can only earn the heat 0 bounties once, or the heat 7-10 bounty once
pastel jolt
and no, the gauge on the left will tell you when you've gone too high (which jsut makes the game even harder without giving you increased rewards)
hollow sorrel
Um, I feel like hestia is like way too much actions per minute. A lot of like shoot, reload+special, cancel into dash while reloading, repeat
grim adder
the bounties are per weapon, though
so if you've gotten the heat 10 bounty for the spear, you might not have the heat 1 bounty for the shield
pastel jolt
for example, this means you've earned the first three rewards for 1 Heat, but not the fourth, and thus going up to 2 Heat isn't actually giving you the 2 Heat bounties
grim adder
...I still think the bounty system could be better with a map or chart or something
pastel jolt
yes i keep coming back to this screenshot because it's the only one i have on hand easily lmao
wooden lodge
oh interesting
hollow sorrel
except it's more complicated, because sometimes the special is still happening, so you have to not have the reload+special+cancel in the rotation, and just reload+dash cancel instead
pastel jolt
the heat system is difficult to explain, but once you try it out it's easier to understand
hollow sorrel
The bounty system would have been better explained if they actually attempted to explain anything before your first full clear.
wooden lodge
yeah it seems really complex
when I first saw it I thought it was some risk/reward system
"Enemies get +10% attack and speed but you gain +10% coins"
mild crag
anybody know if it's actually possible to avoid this attack https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270911855306866689/663176426064707615/super_fair.mp4
just appeared on me and exploded in a split second so
maybe it isnt
bonus: was actually dashing while i died
hybrid frost
Do you have Forced Overtime on?
mild crag
yes
hybrid frost
Well that's your problem then.
mild crag
it shouldn't make damage unavoidable lol
hybrid frost
In the vid you can see a little targetting circle under Zag's feet.
Briefly.
Before.....BOOM!
hybrid frost
If you slow it down, it hits you just before the dash animation kicks in.
mild crag
eh
i still think it's unfair
i also found out that tisiphone can cancel her attacks
she wound up to do her line stun so i dashed behind her
then she cancelled it and did the stun in the opposite direction
hybrid frost
Yeah, I've had her swap directions on me occasionally.
mild crag
same, but never in that manner
ive had her stun then dash a different direction
but it actually replayed her spinning animation
hybrid frost
Well, I don't use more than 10% Overtime, so can't say what that might impact.
hybrid frost
If you feel like it's unwarented, use F10 in game to post a bug report.
lofty totem
I solely use the enhanced bosses and enhanced elite encounters
lofty totem
gets me to 7 and thats plenty for now
barren plume
Bruh tis pulling mordhau feints
hybrid frost
Murder.
mild crag
also still murderboat killing me
shoutout to pre-welcome to hell megagorgon fight when i forgot i had a chaos boon too
im glad they stopped the extra enemies chaos boon affecting minibosses lol
dull island
Somehow Zeus shield + Hermes 30% faster special made it just, move a bit then stay in place til it recalled?
Also had ares boon to make it doomy, might be a bugged combo
dull island
"Thank you Hermes that thing is so slow-- and it's frozen."
mild crag
godspeed kappa
mild crag
godspeed overflow
barren plume
Honestly prefer rail to shield now, even tho I used to hate the rail
wooden lodge
this is how real men play Hades https://i.imgur.com/gYvQ4xJ.jpg
grim adder
being a masochist doesn't make you a real man 😛
dull island
Great, you made the Heat Gauge cry. Happy??
mild crag
do it
dull island
I love this dev team
steep prairie
I didnt use the bow for a while, didnt like how it felt on skelly, then decided to try it after beating Hades for the first time, beat him on the first try with it
All the weapons are great
barren plume
_ I like my gameplay narrowpathed and unimaginative_
Huh? Why yes of course I max the no choice heat option in pact of punishment. How could you tell?
steep prairie
Least favourite is the sword just cuz how boring it feels compared to the rest
barren plume
My least favorite is the bow
Interesting that you say that because with the hammers the sword can go into a lot of aspects
wooden lodge
I like the shield and sword the most
in that order
I wish the sword had some charge or ranged ability tho
it only has a normal and special
steep prairie
Shield spear bow are my favourites, but I play whatever the darkness bonus tells me to
wooden lodge
oh wow that's the MLG way to play
grand smelt
"narrowpathed and unimaginitive" is a funny way to say "figure out what's truly best"
tranquil basin
spear squad
grand smelt
45 heat isn't for everyone, but there is a spark to be found there
steep prairie
Sword is my least favourite just by how boring it feels compared to the rest. Cant really do silly stuff like homing arrows or spinning shield you can knock people into
dull island
Spear was the first I saw a + to barrier boon so it definitely has a special place in my heart
barren plume
the thrust on sword sends people flying I find
wooden lodge
I'm giving this bad boy a try, I have a feeling it's OP https://i.imgur.com/NYprOb5.jpg
steep prairie
I like the crit strike aspect for the insane damage output it can do
wooden lodge
oh hey I still have god mode on
I turned that on like 10 tunrs ago to see what it did and promptly forgot about it
dull island
Lv. 4 Artemis attack @u@
steep prairie
Its good if you got a melee weapon, the ranged clear early rooms a bit slow
barren plume
I think a silly build is world splitter sword with aphro attack.
wooden lodge
if I swap out the Lambent Plume, do I lose its bonus?
novel python
Aight I agree, playing with chiron bow is annoying if it's not upgraded
barren plume
I was doing 300 damage auto attacks without crit lol.
dull island
Oh, question, Dionysus Cast, is the damage up for the cast lodged on something in the fog or do you effectively lose it?
steep prairie
Yeah but u need to get upgrades for the sword to become fun, the other weapons got it from the start
mild crag
@dull island you lose it
steep prairie
@wooden lodge yes bonuses are tied to the trinkets, and you cant switch back to trinkets you've used before in a run
steep prairie
Nah its good if you can build it up, there is the damage butterfly trinket that goes up if you dont get hit in an encounter
Takes some investment and skill but the payoff is good
mild crag
They're both pretty weak because you give up flexibility
barren plume
Flurry or spread fire? I got epic support fire and the all crit chance and nothing else so far
steep prairie
Its fine if you arent aiming for a certain build
mild crag
Why take butterfly when I can take eternal rose and get an additional 20% damage from a rarity up on aphro attack, then another god boon rarity up later which is synergistic and then take a defensive keepsake like spearhead or something offensive like distant memory
Too many nerfs hitting plume and butterfly too hard
They're rarely worth it now
final fox
butterfly will give you like 40% global damage by the end of the game if you're playing well
but I still don't think it's worth giving up the flexibility, not having Shackle in Elysium or Broken Spearpoint in Styx really hurts
and since percentage damage buffs stack additively, it's less of a damage boost than you'd think
solid cairn
Only keepsakes I use now are 2 god ones, usually coin purse or something on elysium, and broken spearpoint
steep prairie
Or you can get 20-40% damage based on butterfly run and randomly encountering those boons
mild crag
Good luck doing that with a melee weapon
And if you're ranged just take distant memory
steep prairie
Easy with melee since you can stunlock
barren plume
If he has spear or shield it shouldn't be too hard. YOu can do some cheesy stunlocks with spear
steep prairie
Elysium it gets hard to not get hit
barren plume
Idk about sword tho
mild crag
Easy for the first 5 Chambers of Tartarus until armor comes into it
mild crag
And I'm pretty sure spear can hit far enough to trigger distant memory anyway
solid cairn
What is that again?
mild crag
30% increased damage to distant targets
solid cairn
Is that a boon
solid cairn
Oh that one
novel python
The fact that you can cancel your sword special with your auto attack pisses me off.
Who agrees?
hollow sorrel
I thought all the mix/max people were supposed to welcome any animation cancelling in games?
novel python
@solid cairn that is a daedalus iirc, the 30% increased dmg to distant targets
barren plume
Is distant memory the same distance as the spear's increased range's distant attack bonus's range? I know I worded that super poorly im sorry
Never tested to find out
novel python
minmax, and idk, I hate when I'm trying to fling some specials in my slashings and I press lmb by mistake so my special gets canceled
What would be the best weapon for an attack build?
steep prairie
@novel python depends what u want to do, do you want lots of tick damage off attacking or high crit strikes?
novel python
Honestly, I've heard about 2k+ crits
And I still can't fathom how is that possible
So I'd say 2nd option
I suppose that's achievable with nemesis|?
steep prairie
Sword is best for crits if im not mistaken with lots of artemis boons and the chop attack
barren plume
Max crit i've got before was 1.4k
steep prairie
Highest damage I've done is blade spin cast on hera bow with aretmis ares duo boon, you melt a boss in seconds
novel python
I have yet to beat ||Hades||, he ate through both my DDs before I managed to get him to ||2nd phase||
barren plume
and that was once in the entire game so it was procced on the all chance 4% crit I believe
No need to get to spoiler free her- THE WIND BLOODY OPENED ME DOOR
steep prairie
@novel python what max hp did you try the fight at?
novel python
was above 300 iirc
But first time
And also no defensive boons
crappy rng and my mirror is not maxed
novel python
I was using shield so I was just charging him when he was charging me
Are the skele heads his cast?
barren plume
wot
steep prairie
Got hit by multiple at the same time?
valid ruin
Just went bow with the double shot thing and flurry, got poison on attack and leveled that stuff up to 7
OH MAN THE DAMAGE
Also got 4 dashes from Hermes
dull island
Aphro attack, Ares special, duo boon that makes doom hits multiple times on weak enemies... 
(on Bow, I should add)
valid ruin
with Delfect dodge
wooden lodge
I love the Cosmic Egg
last nacelle
You also hate it.
wooden lodge
it's like, oh, hey, let's make the best boon boy have even better boons
but the problem is, you might get 1 boon per area
or less
which is making me think of choosing a different boon
err, a different relic
artifact
whatever they're called
pastel jolt
keepsake!
wooden lodge
sigh
but yeah
when you're ingame, is there something that lists all the keepsakes you've unlocked?
the codex doesn't have it
hollow sorrel
you can awkwardly check the codex for the first heart of those characters
like, if zeus has 0 hearts, you don't have his keepsake
wooden lodge
I feel like the characters could, at the least, list their keepsakes- oh wait really?
no
it doesn't tell you what the keepsake is/does
just that you've unlocked it
hollow sorrel
as a bonus, if you're next to one of those characters, the codex usually opens up to their entry
grim hatch
anyone got some tips on beating hades?
hollow sorrel
oh, I thought you just wanted to know if you got thier keepsake or not
grim hatch
done like 10 runs so far and died to him every single time before even getting to second phase
hollow sorrel
their is a hades wiki, if you type "hades wiki" into google
last nacelle
No brain way: Enter the fight with 3 DD.
Brain way: Carefully dodge his attacks and attack only when you won't get hit in return.
unkempt pagoda
pay attention to how you play against snakestones, to help for his lasers
honestly, the game is so well-crafted that the enemies themselves teach you how to fight the bosses
last nacelle
Do NOT get skulled. Hades has Boiling Blood, so his 50 damage attacks become 80 damage if you get a cast stone stuck in you.
hollow sorrel
And remember his "traces a circle attack" is a delayed attack. You don't dodge the traced circle, you dodge the attack that happens after it
unkempt pagoda
but if you want real advice, get athena dash
hollow sorrel
ROFL
grim hatch
thnx guys
wooden lodge
athena dash has deflect right
last nacelle
Follow Hypnos's advice: Just don't get hit.
wooden lodge
like it seems to clearly be the best dash in the game
unless you're doing a specific build
unkempt pagoda
i mean, if you want real, serious advice: play more
fading sandal
Hide Breaker Your Critical effects deal even more damage to Armor.
last nacelle
Hide Breaker sucks.
unkempt pagoda
learn his patterns, pay attention to enemies that act like his attacks
fading sandal
this should work against extreme minotaur
spare cobalt
Practice makes perfect where the bosses are concerned.
grim hatch
to be fair i've played about 4 hours so far
fading sandal
he's armored as hell
grim hatch
had the same problem with dead cells and hand of the king at start
but this seems a bit more steep than that
might have to upgrade my mirror more tbf
unkempt pagoda
dashes and DDs are your friend
if you can, get boiling blood and privileged status, as those are MAJOR dps buffs
grim hatch
says my dashes are maxed at +1
grand smelt
I'll take Hide Breaker if the other two choices are Cruel Thrust and Double Nova, but only then.
last nacelle
He might also not have the spearpoint. I think you need to talk to Achilles to be able to acquire it.
wooden lodge
"I lead you to a treasure that I desire but which I cannot possess..." https://i.imgur.com/BawV6r1.jpg
last nacelle
Hide Breaker isn't a hammer upgrade, it's an artemis boon.
fading sandal
^
last nacelle
Why enter a shop with no money tho.
spare cobalt
That's a pre-boss shop. You often don't have a choice.
last nacelle
I thought the pre-boss room always had a choice.
robust garden
idk isnt there a helth there most fo the time
last nacelle
You have a choice between a shop and a heart/pom most of the time I think.
barren plume
Hades lasers with the wall are funky
robust garden
this si why u go to the top left
barren plume
Even then it's still funky
robust garden
idk it's been fine for me
wooden lodge
ok so what gives me "Exclusive Access"? https://i.imgur.com/3LY4rLx.jpg
what duo pairing?
also, so if I take the item that makes my next boon have +1 rarity, but I already have Exclusive Access making my boons epic, I don't get to upgrade to Heroic or some other rarity?
bleak falcon
Pretty sure that one is just a random high rarity. Could be wrong though, can check the wiki if you want to confirm.
unkempt pagoda
it makes your minimum rarity epic, normally your minimum rarity is just normal boons
doesn't do anything to maximum rarity
pastel jolt
i don't think it'll make you any more likely to get heroic, but idk for sure
Exclusive Access, btw, is the duo boon for Poseidon and Dionysus - it requires one "basic" boon from both of them (attack/special/cast/dash/call)
wooden lodge
awesome
thanks
now I know what to target each game 😄
ok major lesson learned
in a battle of the gods, choosing between athena's boon and any other boon
ALWAYS CHOOSE ATHENA
last nacelle
What if the other boon is Poseidon.
wooden lodge
I just picked poseidon over athena
big missteak
wait really the bot deletes comments with cursing
lol
last nacelle
I was joking.
wooden lodge
an unlikely story
pastel jolt
please do not intentionally set off the filter.
wooden lodge
sorry
grand patrol
tough choices..........
barren plume
hence why i said oh no
eternal stag
what weapon?
barren plume
in caps letters for emphasize on the oh no
Adamant rail
Shotgun explosive hammer upgrades
eternal stag
what's your lightning boon on?
barren plume
Attack
I did the legendary because I still have a zeus and dio styx gate to go and I feel I'd have better chances getting the duo again from those two than the legendary zeus boon
eternal stag
that's fair
eternal stag
nice
crisp iris
What's everyone's opinion on having dual stick control on Controllers
Wait Hydra just doesn't have a death animation though
He just unceremoniously... explodes
hollow sorrel
I use a ps4 controller for this game. the dual stick is fine
with a very small disclaimer, that it's slightly less than fine with hestia, because it sometimes picks the wrong monster if lots of monsters are crowded together, and hestia's rate of fire is so long that missing a shot can get annoying
like when lots of skulls are around a skull pile, and you really want to hit the skull pile, and there's a small tiny opening that you could use, but the dual stick picks a skull instead because it was slightly closer
near sandal
First time running the scintillating feast hera bow build and I also pick up Black Out from Dio. With Artemis Aid lvl 2 it was hitting for 1200 on Hades.
wary knot
So does the Artemis dual shot boon interact with Ares vicious cycle in the fantastic way I hope it does?
unkempt pagoda
i sure hope so, don't see why it wouldn't
wary knot
Sounds awesome, what's better than 1 hunting blade per shot? 
last nacelle
I don't think anybody here knows exactly how Vicious Cycle works. I've asked before and didn't get any definite answers.
hollow sorrel
I'm always so reluctant to choose festive fog. I miss out on +30% damage on bosses, and if I don't get a good synergy to make up for it, it feelsbad
near sandal
it's finnicky and reliant on boons like most cast builds for sure.
wary knot
After learning how lava interacts with heightened security, I am quite interested to know exactly how vicious cycle's damage scaling works
hollow sorrel
for a similar reason, I've never actually gotten hunting blades. There were a few games where I got blade rift, but wasn't lucky enough to get good synergies, so now I avoid it, or try to sell it asap
last nacelle
The simplest way for Vicious Cycle to work would be the blade rift itself gaining damage with each hit.
Blades Rifts themselves have a limited duration, so it wouldn't have to deal with invisible debuffs.
frail vector
Cast Bow + Artemis Cast = That's A Lotta Damage
last nacelle
Aphrodite attack with the duo boon.
wary knot
Does the Hermes cast speed boon let you load casts into the Hera bow by holding down the cast button?
Not that you'd want to take that boon with the Hera bow, but just wondering
I was imagining Fully Loaded with the Hera bow and that seems like a lot of mashing cast
pastel jolt
companions (aka legendary keepsakes)
wooden lodge
ohhhhh
interesting
I didn't realize there was like a max level to the gifts you could give
time to megaboost a few people
turbid needle
daedelus hammer every time
grand smelt
I went for the boon. I didn't get a hammer room in Asphodel but ended up getting both hammers in Elysium.
versed ibex
man. 7 bloodstones, hera bow, exit wounds, and swift recall 👌
stoic ginkgo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/79372678619729920/663250750813765646/bronze_skin.PNG
Have you guys ever had the rarity of a boon disappear? My Bronze Skin got upgraded from Epic and now its rarity disappeared
thorny edge
sounds like a bug, maybe do the F10 bug report thing
turbid needle
Just a visual bug, thankfully.
frail fable
If I clear a boss on a higher heat than necessary to get my bounty does it stop me from recieving bounties from lower heats that I have not done yet
karmic coyote
nope you're good to go
frail fable
good, i was about to beat alecto up at 8 heat for whatever that award in the weapon room is and got concerned
karmic coyote
you can pump it up to 32 heat and get all 3 statues at once 
fading sandal
it's what i did, technically
karmic coyote
you madlad, i'm not getting that final statue anytime soon
fading sandal
naah, i edited the files, changed the health bonus to 0, increased max to 32
karmic coyote
oh i see
thorny edge
anyone know what happens if you fill all of them and get a new one?
karmic coyote
most likely the new ones will simply replace the old ones
stoic ginkgo
Do any of you ever sometimes get a double shot on you dash attack with Hestia Aspect?
its happens like 1-3% of the time
surreal bolt
@stoic ginkgo the dash attack for the gun is a double shot
stoic ginkgo
it doesnt usually happen with Hestia Aspect on the first shot
otherwise that would be insanely busted
karmic coyote
@mild crag we need a Hestia expert here
turbid needle
Dash Attack is not a double shot.
It is a round with an extremely fast fire rate.
I have had that double shot happen to be before with Hestia, though, but there's supposed to be a short delay after it.
stoic ginkgo
I was totally sure it was happening until I saw an enemy take 2 hits of 399
Its super rare to happen though
mild crag
Hestia guy here
Yes it sometimes fires two empowered shots
In quick succession
Yes I reported it as a bug already
stoic ginkgo
cool, I'm not crazy
mild crag
Or perhaps we have a shared hallucination
mild crag
You have great taste
karmic coyote
with my Sherlock Holmes deduction skill i have come to a conclusion that Hestia is so bad that it needs a bug to make it work
turbid needle
So you have like weird anti-skills that tell you wrong information?
Hestia is super strong.
karmic coyote
i'm offended sir, my deduction skill is impeccable
mild crag
Erlock Sholmes more like gahaha
karmic coyote
it's Mr. Herlock Sholmes you blackguard
glad mantle
Hey could someone fill me in without spoilers
What the clock symbol in Eurydice’s gift hearts mean?
I cant give her anymore nectar and the next heart has a clock
last nacelle
Not yet added.
last nacelle
Lock means you must fulfill some other condition that isn't giving nectar.
glad mantle
Do i have to do something?
Hmm... will he tell that to me?
Or is it related to some other character/item?
I keep visiting him but all he tells me is the usual dialogue about heing stuck here
last nacelle
You have to buy a thing from the underworld contractor. It becomes possible for it to appear after some dialogue chain that involves talking to Hades.
last nacelle
You will need diamonds. I think it might be 10 diamonds, it might only be 5.
karmic coyote
Yeah it's 10
glad mantle
Got it
I’ll save up
Thanks a lot!
Who should I proritize nectar to? Who has a lock on that heart?
Any advice without direct spoilers?
Idm being told the name i mean
Haha
I think i encountered all the npcs already
karmic coyote
||Thanatos, Meg, Skelly and Sisyphus||
wooden lodge
ok so is it just me, or is leveling up your boons like bottom tier priority?
if I level up, say, my poison dash, I get maybe 2 extra damage
but if I go for a hammer, I can add an extra 50% damage
or if I go for a new boon, I'll probably get something that adds a big chunk of DPS to that poison or another effect
last nacelle
Boons scale differently.
wooden lodge
it feels like leveling up is extremely weak and does very little much of the time, it's not anywhere on close to getting a rarity-up
yeah some boons are worth leveling
this boon got an extra 30% damage from level 1 to 2 https://i.imgur.com/r8nHWdo.jpg
definitely worth it
went from 110% to 149%
last nacelle
It's definitely at the point where it might be thoughtless mimicry of other games rather than a measured inclusion.
If you replaced all pom rooms with money, the game would not become significantly worse.
last nacelle
You need more conversations or something.
elfin canyon
you have to gift him first since he disappears after you talk to him normally
last nacelle
Oh right, there is a weird interconnected chain of conversations that is hidden.
elfin canyon
so first gift, then talk
last nacelle
You actually need to gift Hermes nectar to hear a piece of conversation that is integral to the Thanatos dialogue chain.
kindred matrix
ok
I've seen the light of dionysus
the trick is its only good if you have festive fog
legendary
I had flurry sword
- poison
- festive fog legendary
- artemis arrows on cast
wooden lodge
ok so my new favorite thing is the shotgun railgun
kindred matrix
and my favourite 2 things from athena
wooden lodge
because dash attacking makes it fire super fast
kindred matrix
deflect dash and all attacks make enemies exposed
oh and sword beam
so they were taking
100% + 50% + critical
from artemis
1 x .5 x 3
3.5 damage maximum
wait my math is off should be x2
or is it additive? idk
either way I know people melted
last nacelle
Isn't sword beam unaffected by boons though?
last nacelle
Just clip something with a wave and see if it gets debuffed.
wooden lodge
does anyone else have screen flickering issues with multiple monitors when they tab out to another screen?
I do and it's driving me crazy
Hades's game window flickers rapidly
unfortunately this is the limit to the graphics options ingame https://i.imgur.com/CE0YHwU.jpg
charred solar
getting that on a Hera run is basically auto-win
wooden lodge
I'm confused... are dash attacks and attacks the same thing or different?
according to this, my dash attack will get boosted
but if I normal-attack, I take damage
this implies that I won't take damage if I dash attack
however in the past I've tried just dash attacking and I always took damage
charred solar
You don't get the curse and boon at the same time
wooden lodge
I think they're supposed to be different things but the game has some extremely confusing interactions with them
no...
charred solar
It's 4 encounters of attack deals self-damage
wooden lodge
but if only ATTACKS hurt me, then dash attacks should not
wooden lodge
so if my attack damage is buffed, then so are my dash attacks?
grand smelt
Dash attacks are attacks, but not all attacks are dash attacks. It's pretty standard rules of general and specific categories.
wooden lodge
that's not obvious at all
but now I understand
so basically boosting attack damage is always better than boosting dash attacks
charred solar
Dash attack boosts tend to be larger
charred solar
And if you're using shield or spear, those both have really good dash attacks already
wooden lodge
this is a tough choice https://i.imgur.com/ejxo9DB.jpg
I always go for the hammer
but my build is all about Athena deflections
she might have the deflection damage boost of 100-250%
I would also get a poseidon boon too
and then ofc there's hermes, who is usually decent
took the hammer... should have gone for athena and poseidon https://i.imgur.com/4rvLFvd.jpg
armor shredder is fine
pulverizing blow tho...
glacial canopy
Spear - Flaming Chain - Connects flaming chain to an enemy when attack is held and allows user to move the chain into enemies for damage
prisma zephyr
yikes, i must be the only one who can win on 32 heat with spear/bow but not with shield
😫
wooden lodge
hey uh, the adamant rail's special attack, what is its base damage?
the hammer gives me a rocket upgrade that deals I think 80 damage
ok so the rocket is 33% stronger, and it can hit stuff on the way
not bad
kindred matrix
also
final fox
base damage of the rail special is 60
kindred matrix
if you get triple fire + the 80 damage upgrade
you have higher DPS
cause there's less time spent in the air
you can pop the 80 damage thing + triple fire like its candy
a lot faster than just triple fire
wooden lodge
yeah that's what I want
kindred matrix
Question: does black out only work if they have the poison status?
kindred matrix
Gross
So its entirely possible
To get black out with your only poison source being dionysus's aid
last nacelle
Well, getting it means that your aid would deal a lot more damage at least.
kindred matrix
Feel like festive fog should either count as a poison or do like 1 damage per second
last nacelle
And if you have enough time, you might be able to sell it off for the legendary 400 gold.
compact wyvern
kindred matrix
Yeah
I was noticing during my
Zeus blitz hybrid caster run
When I used festive fog
They werent taking as much damage
If I didnt melee
last nacelle
I kind of feel like there should be a boon purger keepsake.
last nacelle
Like, it makes boon purge things give more money and maybe spawn more often.
It would be more useful than some of the current keepsakes I'm sure.
kindred matrix
How exactly does god gauge work?
last nacelle
Taking damage and dealing damage fills it up.
kindred matrix
I feel like for some gods ie: poseidon it only goes up when you take damage
Or maybe I am not noticing it
mild crag
it always works on dealing and taking damage for everything
kindred matrix
Ah ok
mild crag
posiden has one that makes you gain more on taking
zeus has one that makes you gain more on dealing
kindred matrix
So the buff has nothing to do with it
mild crag
and athena has one that makes you start a room with some
those are other boons i mean
not their calls
radiant linden
last nacelle
Zeus is dealing AND taking damage.
mild crag
oh ye you're right
last nacelle
Boiling Point is for when you really want to headbash through a fight.
I bet a lot of people abused wrath effects with boiling point to get their first ever win.
mild crag
nah people just abuse shield
obtuse ravine
do treasure troves sometimes drop nectar?
mild crag
last nacelle
Yes, chests sometimes have nectar bottles.
obtuse ravine
ok cool i thought I was seeing things haha
wooden lodge
wait why is my chaos trinket expired? https://i.imgur.com/WUmWpvC.jpg
that's weird
I just beat the second boss
kindred matrix
You switched off it?
wooden lodge
I started with chaos, then went to athena, now I want to do chaos again
kindred matrix
You cant
wooden lodge
I could swear I've switched off and back on before
woeful stirrup
That was possible several updates ago. But that change is not that recent.
blazing mulch
You can't take the same keepsake twice
wooden lodge
does the bow have a dash attack?
I assume no
unless charging and then dash firing counts
wooden lodge
keep in mind I mean the bow and not the repeater
oh hm
ah I see
it also has waaaaaay less range
and probably damage too
spare elk
I was surprised as well when I picked artemis dash boon and doing the same damage as before
last nacelle
Unless you're a chaos stacker, in which case your bow dash attack pins enemies to the sky.
wooden lodge
but if I charge up and dash right when I hit the power shot moment
is that a dash attack too?
blazing mulch
No
blazing mulch
Dash attack deal flat 40dmg after a dash, it's charge faster.