“Zagreus enemies slain: 78”
#h1-builds-and-combat
twilit prairie
grim adder
too many elite chariots
turbid needle
I don't see why people have issues with Thanatos rooms, you can just run, he'll kill everything himself.
onyx condor
thanatos rooms arent bad
i can norm win if i have a few good boons
then its a free heart
twilit prairie
Blade feels so satisfying but so bad at the same time. Its iconic
obtuse ravine
but we want to beat him haha
grim adder
I find thanatos rooms in elysium to be really easy, because you just kill the heads + a few more
hybrid frost
I don't have a problem with them.
onyx condor
yeah
twilit prairie
Theyre not hard but it takes like 2 mins
hybrid frost
That's just where I find I lose the most health. Tight Deadline.
Gota clear it FAST!
twilit prairie
Yeah thats not balanced in elysium
hybrid frost
Once the battle's over I think.
turbid needle
Yeah, he used to suck because the rooms were so long, but now it's a godsend.
mild crag
no
turbid needle
Nope, as soon as he appears until you move to a new room.
mild crag
the entire room
mild crag
maybe you're remembering from last patch when he didn't
twilit prairie
How do you even do 2nd rank of tight deadline in elysium with lots of heat? Guess u just run into every shop and hope for minotaur miniboss
twilit prairie
The rooms with 30 cat spawns waste so much time too
hybrid frost
Yeah, cus sometimes they're reluctant to suicide on the terrain.
twilit prairie
U also have to wait a year for all of them to spawn lol
hybrid frost
I take more dmg with shield than without.
mild crag
protip use forced overtime it makes em spawn faster
it gives you whole bunch of other issues
but it makes em spawn faster!
twilit prairie
Yeah but then im scared
hybrid frost
Because they slip around behind me and then it's too late.
twilit prairie
Of supersonic chariots
grim adder
if you're too slow on chests, do they spawn extra mobs?
mild crag
nah you just like get nothing right
hybrid frost
15 dmg. 15 dmg. 15 dmg. 15 dmg. What am I?
grim adder
when I blitz through a chest, I don't get any extra spawns, but when I'm slow, it's like it starts punishing me
twilit prairie
“Oh its just 1 elite chariot”
Elite chariot: Am i a joke to you?
-15 -15 -15 -15
hybrid frost
Or for high heat make that 30 dmg.
turbid needle
HS lava in the EM Hydra fight.
hybrid frost
ARRRRRRGHHHH!!!
twilit prairie
Then u run into a random spear trap on the side of the map that blended into the fence/bush
-150
THERE IS NO ESCAPE
mild crag
the lava we all know and love
hybrid frost
Yeah, HS lava is a swear word!
kindred matrix
with ares on special and athena legendary
so I literally just ran away
and kept spamming triple rocket @ hades
and reflecting his skulls
karmic coyote
Still better than dashing into the giant arrow while running for my life from kamikaze wheels, 1 mistake ruins the whole run
twilit prairie
When ur in styx and a rat triggers the axes that literally cover the whole room
no escape
kindred matrix
just have athena legendary 4Head
pure junco
Another dub, that's 2 in a row!
I had Festive Fog + Black Out + Burst Shot + Poisonous Special + Scintillating Feast (festive fog deals 80 lightning damage periodically).
turbid needle
@strong flame does vengeful mood still stagger your block when it procs?
strong flame
i don't think so
could just stand and tank asterius' helicopter while having it trigger
turbid needle
neat, don't know why that one person had an issue with it then
strong flame
¯_(ツ)_/¯
was a real snooze fest
didn't have enough damage
missed out on zeus' and athena's
turbid needle
yeah, 150dmg or so every 4 seconds doesn't sound great
quick igloo
So how do you Pardon Sisyphus?
prisma zephyr
give him nectar until you get the purchase option at the renovator
unkempt pagoda
max out his nectar then talk with him a bunch
quick igloo
ok so the renovator is how you free him
cause I got his quest and he is nectered up to the max
gritty solar
turbid needle
does anyone know what it means when the next room icon is glowing or has a skull? ||for example in styx I'm not sure if it determines whether it contains the satyr sack or not||
More difficult chamber than normal.
frail vector
Is it better to grab synergies or just pump your basic attack with poms? I can never tell what the best thing to d is
native ether
Kiss of Styx is too OP compared to other two items offered by Patroclus. Maybe encounters limit should be removed from the other two items: HydraLite should give You restore 5% HP when you enter a chamber and Cyclops Jerky - Your Attack deals 10% more damage.
Kiss of Styx Premium is only better if you're playing really poorly in a run. Hydralite Gold is fantastic cause it's usually a full heal/nearly full heal every room of Elysium for over half of Elysium. It's what I take almost every time. Cyclops Jerky Select is niche but still good if you don't need the healing or death defiances. I would definitely dislike this kind of change as I already find Patroclus kinda useless to visit unless I'm struggling in a run (and this would make that problem worse by giving me less of an immediate benefit).
turbid needle
@unkempt pagoda thanks! sorry I didn't know about that
@frail vector poms are good for the first couple of levels and they kinda fall off so it depends
unkempt pagoda
it's fine! don't apologize for not knowing lmao
frail vector
What are some good synergies with the crit sword? Can't seem to take down Hades with it, I always dodge the spin attack early and get hit
native ether
Grab and build boon synergies. Poms fall off really fast except on a couple boons (like Poison or Pressure Points)
last nacelle
poms are a crapshoot
frail vector
@native ether I've noticed even getting something like Hera basi cattack to level 9 and ignoring everything else, makes me feel like I have szero damage
turbid needle
I tend to stop at 3 or 4 depending on whether or not I think it might have a notable difference
native ether
Poms past rank 3 fall off real fast because they have diminishing improvements.
frail vector
@native ether this is great info, thanks!
native ether
The only exceptions are things where the damage numbers are already really low, so the improvements are pretty constant
frail vector
like with Artemis stuff?
native ether
Like Poison, Pressure Points, Blade Rifts, Support Fire, Zeus Primary, etc.
unkempt pagoda
crit can pretty much pair with anything
crisp matrix
best boons?
native ether
Best boon in the game or best combo?
crisp matrix
both I guess
turbid needle
there are no best boons just good combos
native ether
Best Combo is Hunting Blades. Always and forever until it gets nerfed
Hunting Blades is stupid lol
crisp matrix
what's hunting blades
native ether
The Artemis and Ares duo boon. Requires a crit effect and Slicing Shot on your cast
It makes your cast blade rifts chase after enemies
frail vector
I'm still slightly confused on how to spawn dual boons
unkempt pagoda
there's a lot of great boons
turbid needle
Get the prereqs and pray.
native ether
The key is most require a primary effect from both interested parties.
turbid needle
Sometimes they just won't show up.
frail vector
can you influence it with keepsakes? like if I have Ares + Artemis, can I equip the artemis keepsake to guarantee the spawn>?
turbid needle
the wiki shows the info but generally you need attack, special, dash, or call of both gods
frail vector
ahh ok so it is chance
turbid needle
Other times they never go away, Lightning Rod.
native ether
It's chance with the prereqs
unkempt pagoda
basically, each duo boon has prerequisite boons from both gods, and then they have a chance to show up, just like normal boons
native ether
Same as legendaries
turbid needle
I wish prereqs+keepsake increased the chance of a spawn.
atomic panther
Duos are always worth it to take (unless there's another boon that's necessary for your run) because they sell for 400 Obols
crisp matrix
I notice Attack/Special/Cast/Dash boons tend to show up first, is there a sequence?
atomic panther
So if you don't want it it's a free 400 money
native ether
Hunting Blades with Vicious Cycle (the Ares legendary) is the best combo in the game.
Exclusive Access is great for that reason cause you can sell it in Styx and then buy out the market
unkempt pagoda
anyways, back to best combos. merciful end is literally a guaranteed win if you manage to get divine dash
valid ruin
The bow is useless without Flurry shot hammer upgrade, I managed to beat the last boss because I could just hold down the attack button
turbid needle
I beat 20 Heat without Flurry Shot.
unkempt pagoda
it's a duo where your doom effects instantly go off if you hit them with an attack that can deflect, plus you get an extra 90 combo damage
crisp matrix
@valid ruin actually bow has a really good dash attack
valid ruin
I'm bad at timing 
frail vector
I hate the shield, it just seems really clunky to me or am I crazy?
turbid needle
It's popularly thought of as the strongest weapon in the game, but everyone feels differently about every weapon.
valid ruin
I like the spear the most
native ether
Shield is definitely the strongest but I don't like playing it myself
native ether
I think the Rail can get the most damage if you're a very skilled player.
Sword can too
But Rail has Eris Aspect
frail vector
I'm so bad with sword, only weapon I haven't beat Hades with yet ;__;
native ether
Also question: Does the Butterfly stack additively or multiplicatively with the Eris bonus
frail vector
I thought everything in this game stacks additively, no?
I remember reading that somewher
native ether
Yes with the exception of crits
Crits take the total amount of damage you would do and multiply it by 3 (or more)
frail vector
Do we many if there are any new sections coming on the 19th? or will the game still end after Hades?
native ether
For now the game is going to stay ending at Hades. They've neither confirmed or denied (afaik) adding additional sections to the game in the future (but for now, I think the biome layout won't change for the foreseeable future)
unkempt pagoda
it'll probably stay the same 4 biomes
for now, at least
anything more will be extra, after we've gotten the new olympian, 6th weapon, 4th aspects, and anything else on the roadmap
native ether
I think an additional biome to visit (and swapping the visited biomes each run) would definitely add some replayability, but adding new biomes is definitely the most time consuming thing they've ever done.
unkempt pagoda
^
new biome means entirely new enemies, art assets, balancing, bosses, minibosses, potentially new characters
native ether
I'm honestly impressed at how fast Elysium came out. It came out surprisingly quick after the Dionysus update. (So most of it was probably already started)
frail vector
Additional bosses for each biome would be kind of cool
unkempt pagoda
and also trying to fit it into the story, since they probably weren't planning on a 5th biome from the beginning
frail vector
but I'm dreaming at this point
native ether
Considering with a new biome, you also have to make it feel unique as well.
Currently every biome definitely feels super unique
unkempt pagoda
but, they haven't confirmed or denied, just that the current 4 biomes are the current gameplay layout they're working with right now
native ether
I would love to see more biomes as the same 4 do kinda get tiring after a while but I think those issues could also be solved with more variance in things like miniboss encounters and additional npcs
frail vector
The only part of the game I'm unhappy with currently
is the "sponginess" of the last 3 bosses, but that's porbably becuase I'm bad
turbid needle
No-hitting Tisiphone is a good feeling.
strong flame
honestly might not be so bad to stream the game on discord and have someone spectate and give you some tips
or just power through the pain and learn it by yourself
cosmic briar
So I just had a crappy bug. Died while lobbing 3 charges of festive fog in the air. Death happened before they hit the ground in the Theseus/Minotaur fight. When I revived, all my cast ammo was gone and there weren't any red crystals on the ground. Didn't get them back until I finished the encounter and moved to the next area;
frail vector
Good synergies with flurry slash?
cosmic briar
On a related note...never get rapid cast with tipsy shot. It sucks.
turbid needle
Zeus and Dionysus.
left timber
is the satyr fountain supposed to gasp
turbid needle
zag is the one gasping
left timber
i would too if i had to drink scummy goatmen water
turbid needle
it's an acquired taste
@native ether I'm gonna be honest, I completely did not pay attention to the numbers well enough to make a call there with the Pierced Butterfly.
native ether
rip
obtuse ravine
do you have to ambrosia the companion keepsakes to progress their storyline?
turbid needle
no
you can give up to... three? more ambrosia to the characters that gave you companions for more dialogue
but upgrading the companions only ups their max uses per run
obtuse ravine
ok cool. tyty that saves me ambrosia
vestal umbra
Found that I actually kinda like the chiron aspect for the bow, but it's still at the bottom of the list of weapons for me.
spark turret
vestal umbra
My fastest is 29 so far
mild crag
Gud stuff
vestal umbra
My fastest was with the spear
mild crag
I think my best is 21 minutes
But I never tried to go fast
So I just did it incidentally
Doesn't seem right that my fastest run is at 33 heat
heady zephyr
My fastest build was hera bow I think, but even that was only 27 min
thorny tiger
hey all! So I have 3 titan blood, and I know they have something to do with weapon aspects, but I'm curious, how do you unlock weapon aspects/
karmic coyote
you need to unlock all of the weapons first then do just do 1-2 runs with any weapon
thorny tiger
ah okay
still have the silly gun to unlock
okies, that'll be next on my to do list
karmic coyote
have fun
wooden lodge
I still have an empty slot in my weapons area
it's right after the repeating boltcaster
I find myself wondering what it will be
karmic coyote
we all do, it hasn't been implemented yet
karmic coyote
oh those are useless trinkets of Skelly
wooden lodge
pft
karmic coyote
basically a purely cosmetic reward for heat run
wooden lodge
I have a feeling my newly acquired Hermes artifact is going to be absolutely busted
1% movement and attack speed per completed encounter
that probably increases to 2% and 3% each tier
like holy hell speedos batman
azure bone
I wish it went 1%->3%
But it goes from 1%, to 1.1 and then 1.2
And if you unequip it you lose the buff
karmic coyote
wow that sucks
obtuse ravine
ok, Dio/Zeus duo boon is fun as hell
mild crag
reaches over to flip chart labelled "runs without dying on the murderboat" to flip it back to 0, but it was already 0
obtuse ravine
but so is having athena attack + Athena dash with an infinite rail
turbid needle
i'd rather dash across the lava tbh
stray frigate
sup]
brave marsh
Hot damn.. finally was able to do 32 heat. That was tough
stray frigate
screenshot?
azure bone
Do the infernal gates count as 'chambers' in terms of reaching the next boss?
Because I don't quite see the point of them unless they dont
woeful stirrup
I don't know if they do or do not count, however you should know that you get better rewards from them.
The Centaur Hearts give 50HP, the poms give 2 levels, etc.
brave marsh
@stray frigate Didnt screenshot end screen but this should be enough proof ||https://imgur.com/a/Dctktut||
brave marsh
Used Chaos shield Poison special. Weak attack and the Aphro/dio duo boon carried the way basically.
stray frigate
to stack poison?
brave marsh
Tried having very few boons so I could always hit Poison special with poms
stray frigate
ah see it
brave marsh
Yeah the one that makes weak enemies have additional stacks
stray frigate
and waht pact u used
azure bone
omg
wow I feel dumb now
I had so much trouble with extreme hydra at high heat
never though to summon skelly on the last 'tons of heads' phase
literally turned the entire phase into me just lazily killing heads one by one cause skelly had so much health
brave marsh
@stray frigate pm'd you
hollow sorrel
I haven't gotten skelly yet, because in most games, decoys get like one-shot on higher difficulty levels. It's good to know skelly still works at high heat
azure bone
Yea, the only time I've had him really 'die' is because he's affected by heightened security
so the lava balls will kill him instantly if they land on him
mega-gorgon and hydra are waaaay easier with him
hollow sorrel
I wonder if I can also use it to get Theseus to be actually attackable for a decent portion of the fight
sullen falcon
hello guys how can i open this thing ? https://prnt.sc/qjagfo
the locked heart shaped thing ?
green birch
The last two legendary keepsakes aren’t in the game yet. Hold on for a later update to grab them!
pure junco
Are those bottom 4 summons?
karmic coyote
yup
zealous lodge
Has anybody else noticed if Thanatos' rewards are affected by Life Affirmation? I was playing a run and noticed that in that situation his life reward was +25 health instead of +33 like it usually is for Affirmed Centaur Hearts.
blazing mulch
Its not room reward, so yeach its 25
zealous lodge
Ah, I see. I misread that effect then. So is it a bug that Charon's shop hearts are affected then?
native cipher
yeah that always confused the hell outta me
why do shop items count as room rewards but other sources dont?
i guess the short answer is "muh balance" but that doesnt make it feel less arbitrary
zealous lodge
Yeah it is one of those things that just feels odd, like the boon sounds like it should affect all sources of life increase.
chrome bone
Question from someone playing only for a few days, is hell mode a new feature? It seems a bit weird like having your darkness 100% useless super early in the game
zealous lodge
Hell mode was added the most recent patch, yes
woeful stirrup
It is a recent feature. They also said they'd add another end-game use for darkness, so that would probably be relevant for Hell mode.
chrome bone
@stray frigate can you translate the last one?
woeful stirrup
Gives an additional death defiance.
zealous lodge
Nice, so rare to see the legendary chaos boon.
woeful stirrup
And I guess the baddie is "can't earn money".
stray frigate
y
chrome bone
😮
woeful stirrup
So it's definitely not bad not having money for three rooms in exchance for a freaking death defiance. Especially since a simple replenish costs 200.
zealous lodge
though, being honest all of those chaos boons are great.
stray frigate
esp when u aklready lost 2dd
zealous lodge
Attack Up 61% or Life +54 could also be really strong choices depending upon you build.
stray frigate
@zealous lodge i do not use Q
zealous lodge
possibly even more useful than the death defiance.
stray frigate
so it's not
frozen panther
Do any of hades attacks counts as traps? cause i was doing a heightened security run and something was dealing 126 damage to me without boiling blood
zealous lodge
The jars maybe? I've never tested that before.
woeful stirrup
Depends on your health total and where you are, really. 54 HP also means 27 more HP per death defiance. You have one left, so that's a total of 81 HP, not including the bonus you get to your heals. If you're below 200 HP at the moment, the HP bonus is definitely worth it.
frozen panther
I was so close to beating him with budget cut and heightened security
woeful stirrup
Jars are traps, yes. I remember some people being very angry at those because of heightened security 
frozen panther
well... frick u, hades
zealous lodge
I've only done one run with heightened security. I like the feel of it since it's a big damage increase that feels very "my own damn fault" if I get hit, but compared to some of the other pact options it's just very plain and vanilla.
pure junco
I'm trying my first run with a 9 min time limit, I have 7 minutes 11 seconds to kill Hades.
Good or bad?
I had to go through 3 passageways.
zealous lodge
Like I VASTLY prefer the boss/mid-boss enhancing pacts and the speedrun pact, they both make the game way more exciting and interesting.
azure bone
Personally I don't like the speed run one because its to strict at some parts, forcing you to use only a few viable builds
woeful stirrup
Hades is definitely doable in less than 7min. When I did that 9min limit run, I had 5 minutes left on Hades and got him in 4. Lost all of my DDs on Theseus because lacking time though. First time I actually picked up Skelly's keepsake
pure junco
I won with 3 min to spare.
small belfry
i don't know how baf I am at the game but i only won once with heart seeking bow and now i have a hard time getting past elysium
pure junco
How do I do "skelly's games"? Do I have to gift him enough nectar?
And why do people like Hestia Aspect on the rail?
azure bone
hestia aspect goes up to 150 base damage
thats a lot of base damage
if you have artemis attack alone you'll crit for like 700+
gloomy scroll
@pure junco have you beaten a run yet?
because if not it may be a while before you get those
pure junco
Yea
gloomy scroll
you need to clear with a certain heat then
pure junco
OK
gloomy scroll
think first goal is 4
pure junco
So is his summon different than the "useless trinket"?
gloomy scroll
uhhhhhhhhhhh wait that was for the statues if this is for his summon you need to max his affection then he'll tell you ||he wants you to kill him with max level zag sword||
||then he'll tell you he was trolling and give you summon||
hollow sorrel
Yeah, I was all excited about the skellie summon, until I found out it cost titan blood. I still have 18 full clears left, before I can max out one of each weapon type
azure bone
At least its just the zag one so only costs 5 blood
pure junco
I'm just trying to fulfill some prophecies.
heady zephyr
titan blood does feel like a bit of a bottleneck compared to the other stuff in the game imo
pure junco
^
hollow sorrel
titan blood is the only thing in the game that makes me feel like this is a microtransaction game, that forgot to add the actual microtransactions
potent lichen
HAHA yep, I did that run once and I also had Artemis all things cant Crit. OMG the dmg.
hollow tide
The combination of flurry shot and hera aspect means that even if you load multiple casts sometimes only one cast is shot. Is this intentional or a bug?
Has anyone else experienced this?
karmic coyote
@hollow tide yup that's a known bug
pure junco
What does hunting blades do? Blade rifts seek out foes?
potent lichen
The Blade rifts u make now Move toward enemies rather than staying in place.
@pure junco
hollow tide
Ok thanks
potent lichen
hey guys im drawing a blank, where can you see how many times you have escaped? and with each weapon?
potent lichen
There is no option in Hades Chamber (starting area?)
stray frigate
also when u choose aspect
potent lichen
Oh ok
hearty owl
new to the game any tips?
hearty owl
im having trouble the mouse with the dashing fat guys and the double exploding guys
stray frigate
i do not want to talk with you
pure junco
OK
hearty owl
looked the fat guys name it is Wretched Lout
stray frigate
what problem i mean
hearty owl
is there any counter to there dash or do i have to like dash away every time they do there dash
stray frigate
if they are not armored
u can just hit them
and not let them dash
but if slready start moving
better stay away
hearty owl
thanks
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663076084144930830/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 Athena or Artemis? Both blessed
stray frigate
?
novel python
I need to pick a door between Artemis and Athena.
Both of the boons are shiny, doesn't it mean that they're enchanted / blessed?
unkempt pagoda
you could go artemis to dig for support fire
novel python
I like it
stray frigate
for supp fire
azure bone
support fire is pretty ok on spear, has a high attack speed with dash canceeling
novel python
Support fire is the one that shoots arrows per attack special or cast right
azure bone
yep
novel python
It's mini boss, guess minotaur most likely
azure bone
minotaur or butterflies
unkempt pagoda
spear can be pretty mobile if you're using dash attack
novel python
I have artemis dash so why wouldn't I xd
unkempt pagoda
i'd go support fire, or at least dig for an exchange for attack
novel python
I use that attack combined with the riptide from cast for the 50% bonus damage
pure junco
I don't have the "enemies don't take the first hit of damage" enabled, but all of my enemies have it...
Maybe I just forget
I could have sworn I didn't have it on.
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663077909220818944/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 Still support fire?
heady zephyr
artemis and poseidon builds have the most OP snowball potential imo
turbid needle
Nah, Artemis and Zeus.
turbid needle
I forgot about Pinball Wizard, that's true.
heady zephyr
i feel like aphro in general is the weakest one
heady zephyr
yeah
heady zephyr
she's the hardest to chain into stupid OP stuff from what i've seen
stray frigate
also had 2 runs with Hera aphro cast
turbid needle
I think Aphrodite is very utilitarian, she is by far the least flashy Olympian, but her stats and effects are so good she's the best.
stray frigate
just so cool
turbid needle
She gives the highest damage bonuses (third highest at Epic with Cast) and natively applies Weak, which halves enemy damage, on almost all of her boons.
serene nexus
What do you think is the easiest heat modifier to start out with? I need some Titan blood after messing up and picking the wrong aspects
heady zephyr
ares can be extremely good, but he's very reliant on vicious cycle or an epic call i find
solid cairn
Jury summons
turbid needle
How fast are you finding you finish your runs?
heady zephyr
extreme measures 1 is also pretty manageable
somewhere around 25-27 minutes. i generally take it slow though
serene nexus
38 minutes when I last checked. I only started clearing
frozen panther
Just beat the game with heightened security, budget cut and no choice
I do not wanna do that again...
stray frigate
turbid needle
You're a madman, Nova.
solid cairn
Cuts is rough lol
frozen panther
I removed one death defiance to get the 100 hp
frozen panther
i couldn't live with 50
serene nexus
Would the pact with the ignore one instance of damage be easy? Or am I reading the pact wrong
frozen panther
Yeah its chill
dense token
it's easy for most builds
solid cairn
Depends on the weapon
solid cairn
With sword though
dense token
it kills hestia rail and regular bow though
frozen panther
who uses sword ew
turbid needle
Yeah, with Zeus or Dio or Chiron, that's quick Heat.
frozen panther
turbid needle
My 3rd fastest clear is with the sword.
frozen panther
as long as its not the sword, you're fine
dense token
sword can get really dumb
green birch
I love the sword
dense token
i think my first clear was 16 mins with it
green birch
Nemesis aspect is -chef kiss-
turbid needle
Sword has very good DPS, it's just super dangerous at all times.
dense token
just get crit and aphro
turbid needle
World Splitter and Nemesis. 👌
solid cairn
My favorite weapons are sword and rail
dense token
counterpoint it's not dangerous if everything dies before it can hit you
stoic ginkgo
I'm hooked on Hestia Aspect right now
solid cairn
I have Hestia level 4
heady zephyr
how does hestia aspect work with infinity chamber btw
solid cairn
You can still reload
stoic ginkgo
You can reload manually
turbid needle
You press Reload to get the damage boost.
heady zephyr
oh, cool
solid cairn
It’s not as bad as eris with missile
turbid needle
There's lots of times you're next to terrain you can hit for the damage boost.
Think about all the times you dash around the pillars to lure Asterius into them.
Or you've just hidden around a corner to evade Witch blasts.
stoic ginkgo
They need to do something to make Aphrodite not the best god by far
pure junco
288% more darkness on first act pog
dense token
aphro just needs a damage nerf tbh
stoic ginkgo
@pure junco nice sounds like a good darkness run
dense token
maybe reduce the effectiveness of weak
turbid needle
If you reduce her damage enough (swap her and Poseidon's damage values) then it's okay that Weak is really good defensively.
hollow sorrel
yeah; I'd like it better if they lowered her damage %. I feel like she should be a status ailment god
stoic ginkgo
Just swap her damage values with Athena
novel python
what do yall think about spread fire?
On the rail gun
Does every single shot apply on-hit?
turbid needle
Absolutely amazing with Dionysus.
Pretty mediocre with Zeus, I wanna see how Artemis or Aphrodite work with it.
serene nexus
I really wish that you could unlock weapon aspects with Keys instead of Titan blood. It means that if you pick the wrong aspects due to experimentation you’ve basically wasted a ton of blood on weapon types you don’t really like
crisp matrix
I just cleared a run with it in fact, Spread Fire Poison attack
it works but not really a big fan
stoic ginkgo
Spread fire is also sweet with explosive shot
grim adder
explosive shot makes it far more reliable to apply status
serene nexus
Also fun fact, Aphrodite cast on Exagryph basically turns the game into Gungeon lol
And explosive shot is AWESOME
crisp matrix
Flurry Fire, Explosive Shot, Infinity Chamber ftw
Rocket Bomb if you have a good special like Ares
stoic ginkgo
Slightly sad spread fire doesn't work with Hestia Aspect, but it would be 100% busted if it did
serene nexus
Quick question. What exactly does the special absorb aspect for the rail do anyway?
hollow sorrel
if you get hit with your own special blast, you get increased damage for a few seconds
hollow sorrel
if you hold the special button down, you can aim it on top of yourself, if for some reason you aren't near anything
fallen dawn
Nah, Hestia rail is by far the best
turbid needle
It's applied to all damage you deal.
fallen dawn
Shoot, reload, special. Loop over again
stoic ginkgo
Hestia all of the way
hollow sorrel
eris applies to cast too, i think
fallen dawn
150 damage on first shot at 5th level aspect
serene nexus
I bound my reload key to a side mouse button
final fox
eris is a global +60% damage boost after you stand in your own explosion
it applies to everything
serene nexus
And I don’t have NEARLY enough blood to level up any of my aspects past level 1...
spare cobalt
Zag aspect's ammo increase doesn't fix the fact that, at base damage, the rail's primary fire has extremely low damage.
crisp matrix
tbh 60% is not much for the rail
hollow sorrel
hestia worries me regarding consistency though. I'm only doing hell mode, so I odn't have 10+ rerolls to try to stack the damage
novel python
Is it worth rading dio's rare call for zeus' epic call?
I just like dio more ig, but maybe in damage terms might be worth
hollow sorrel
whereas eris supports like every build
turbid needle
Yes.
fallen dawn
Hestia's damage between every shot is enough to carry bad-rng runs
novel python
Was that yes for me
fallen dawn
Not sure, I'm not a fan of either of those calls
turbid needle
@novel python Yes, sorry.
grim adder
does hestia boost all the shots in spread fire?
novel python
It's either that, rare static discharge or normal storm lightning
fallen dawn
When you use hestia your first shot won't be a spread shot
spare cobalt
IMO, Zag aspect should increase fire rate along with ammo capacity.
fallen dawn
It'll be a normal shot
grim adder
ah, smart
turbid needle
Rare Jolted.
stoic ginkgo
If you can make sure Zeus's call hits it does a ton of damage
spare cobalt
Make it so you can build around primary fire.
novel python
I might take the lightning just to get rid of prophecy
turbid needle
Also valid.
novel python
But I can also use the jolt to proc the bonus damage on 2 status effects
meh I'll take the bounce to get rid of it, I don't think I'll get far enough with an unupgraded rail gun for it to matter
hollow sorrel
I'm not sure if this can be considered bad rng anymore. Meg has legit disappeared this entire last week I've been playing, ever since she yelled at the boulder guy.
serene nexus
She probably took paid leave after dealing with Zag for so long
turbid needle
Hades: "Day... OOOOOFFFF??? I don't the meanin'a them horrible words!"
woeful stirrup
Just did my first full Extreme Measures run. I'd heard of minigun Theseus, but didn't expect him to look even stupider than usual
stoic ginkgo
How do you guys feel about Zeus Aspect?
woeful stirrup
You mean Blitz Disc? It's fun. Only tried it once though.
spare cobalt
It's a very fun aspect if you like area control and fighting with position always in mind.
spare cobalt
Zeus boon on special magnifies its damage.
wicked quail
zeus boon or ares special boon
pastel jolt
i need to try blitz disc and see if i like it
wicked quail
both pretty stron on blitz disc
left timber
i think i just died while accepting a boon
wicked quail
I play it a bit of "throw and forget/just let it do its thing"
chaos boon kill you???
thats the only one i can think of killing someone, even though i dont think those do
stoic ginkgo
Debating between leveling Zeus Aspect or Poseidon Aspect next
wicked quail
@stoic ginkgo what kind of run
left timber
i was at 1 health anyway so
wicked quail
@schum trap immunity???
spare cobalt
Poseidon aspect sword can make for very strong cast builds.
heady zephyr
blitz disc is silly good with poseidon or ares specials
wicked quail
i know trap damage reduction is a boon, but i dont think outright immunity is a thing
ive never run blitz w/ poseidon
heady zephyr
poseidon especially since it will knock enemies back into the path of the shield, so you can chain damage very effectively
wicked quail
i imagine is pretty good
heady zephyr
i want to try a athena blitz disc maybe
stoic ginkgo
@wicked quail what do you mean?
heady zephyr
blitz disc also recalls relatively slowly, so you can keep it trailing behind you, which means you can keep it trained on chasing enemies like asterius
wicked quail
you said zeus aspect or poseidon aspect, what kinda runs doyou wanna do/how's your playstyle?
@heady zephyr I can say, Ive tried that tactic. it works its really difficult to pull off and keep damage flowing
stoic ginkgo
I'm flexible
hollow sorrel
i feel like poseidon would just knock away the enemies too far for it to chain into the zeus shield, and asterius seems to bounce around way too much for the zeus shield to do much
heady zephyr
with regular enemies, the knockback from blitz disc seems relatively minor actually
it doesn't have the full impulse of a bull rush or whatever
kindred matrix
Am I using spear wrong?
novel python
kindred matrix
I've literally never found a need for the charge up spin
serene nexus
Patroclus
wicked quail
||patroculus||
turbid needle
You've got the necessary tools to find out.
hollow sorrel
that's the dude you want to give a nectar too
kindred matrix
Since it causes you to stand in place
I'd much rather spam dash attack for AoE with spear
fallen dawn
You can dash when it's charged to do a dash spin attack
wicked quail
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
fallen dawn
THere's also a tech you can do: Dash -> Attack (keep holding button down for attack) immediately dash again
novel python
Is it worth taking the dd refill only to refill 1 dd?
fallen dawn
During that second dash if you did it right you'll charge the spin while dashing
kindred matrix
Ah
fallen dawn
That knowledge makes hades spear incredibly potent
wicked quail
@novel python i generally would say yes
woeful stirrup
Depends. Do you think you will need this DD more than the other stuff?
wicked quail
@novel python unless health is more needed
spare cobalt
You can very often charge up full spear spins while enemies are spawning in. It's an easy way to clear certain rooms in record time.
wicked quail
the 10 rooms of attack is def the weakest choice
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663089801863495742/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 that's what I've got
Too much dio, ik
I need aphro or artemis
wicked quail
I would say take the defiance
novel python
But I keep running into dio
woeful stirrup
If you don't get more hearts, defiance is 75 HP.
wicked quail
i find it more useful, since its easier to get health back than defiance
woeful stirrup
So gotta think if the heal is more useful or not.
novel python
I'll change to tooth in the last biome too
hollow sorrel
it matters of how much damage you're expecting to take
novel python
Took it already
wicked quail
there are other ways to get health back
novel python
when should I consider going in the shop? As in what should be the gold threshold when it's worth it
wicked quail
if desperate on health, when you have 50+ gold
woeful stirrup
If you got Patroclus, you're probably a few rooms away from Theseus. You might want a heal. Worst case scenario, you can get a heart or pom in the shop.
wicked quail
when you need items, 150+ min, 250-300+ recommended
stoic ginkgo
What chamber?
novel python
31
wicked quail
i would say pom, since you might only get one boon at most from shop
kindred matrix
:l every time I get dionyus I want to reset the run
wicked quail
w/ 200 gold
wicked quail
@kindred matrix why? dionysis isnt that bad
wicked quail
poison is pretty good at hit-and-run tactics
kindred matrix
Ah that might be why
wicked quail
jump in, few hits, jump out
wicked quail
its a much safer/longer playstyle
kindred matrix
Ya
wicked quail
takes advantage of dio
to be fair tho, I probably rank dio higher than most other people in this server
turbid needle
He's top 3.
kindred matrix
My best runs have always been super high damage high mobility runs
wicked quail
cool, so im not alone in that regards
woeful stirrup
Dio's cast is good. His poison, though? Meh.
kindred matrix
But im low heat pleb
I got ares + deflect procs doom
And just blew everything up
turbid needle
See, that is really good.
wicked quail
yeah, but when you dont have significant damage, hit-and-run tactics take you far
yeah, ares can have some high damage with the right boons
stoic ginkgo
Hit and run is one of the things that makes Hera Aspect consistent
wicked quail
im always suprised that hera aspect lets you load all casts into one shot
kindred matrix
I like ares for hit and run tactics too though :#
stoic ginkgo
Yeah, being able to do that makes hit and run so good
kindred matrix
Ares on bow special is strong
wicked quail
ares works pretty well with it as well
kindred matrix
Only 1 arrow needs to hit
novel python
304 gold, either shop or hp? 58/175 with 2 dd
stoic ginkgo
@novel python is it the one right before the boss?
turbid needle
If my build does not utilize my special or attack in a meaningful way, ares is one of the best way to get extra damage without commiting very much
stoic ginkgo
If so, shop
wicked quail
@novel python yeah, shop will prob have health for you
novel python
I'm not sure how they're noted
stoic ginkgo
Yeah shop
novel python
Health as in health upgrade
wicked quail
esp. w/ low health, a health refill will prob be there, ~25/50 gold
i cant remember
novel python
health pom darkness
wicked quail
do you have the darkness refills health upgrade?
novel python
sadly not
wicked quail
dang
novel python
novel python
It's insta stacked anyway
wicked quail
can get a lot more procs on that in my opinion
novel python
Because of the x5 hits
wicked quail
yeah, fair
novel python
I would've loved to get some aphro status effects tho
wicked quail
the aphro/dio duo is pretty meme
novel python
Let's kick some theseus
wicked quail
DO IT
wicked quail
yeah, just deal with bull first and ignore theseus
novel python
Yeah ik
wicked quail
itll hurt his ego more
novel python
I don't want him to rain stuff on me when I'm trying to dodge the bull
wicked quail
your special should hit him regardless of shield
novel python
...but this is not a special run :(
wicked quail
eh, is still guaranteed damage
stoic ginkgo
I really want to experiment with aspects and builds, but I have a decent streak going. It kind of makes me sad
astral fjord
wait so explosive shot pierces through thesius's shield?
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663099438432256040/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 well all of those have the same negative, so please help me choose?
im tempted to take the cast damage
astral fjord
what do you have so far?
astral fjord
on tartarus?
novel python
ye
astral fjord
take slothful favor
novel python
I see, banking for the future
stoic ginkgo
Boon rarity is really good if you can get it early
novel python
At least I have the bull charge to move around
astral fjord
yeah if you have gotten it later it wouldn't be so valuable but getting it when you only have your daedalus upgrade is huge
hollow sorrel
And even if the rarer stuff isn't what you want, it sells for more gold usually
stuck bough
For the Eris aspect, how will the buff work if you have the rocket upgrade?
hollow sorrel
either stand next to them, or a wall, or some other obstacle
spare cobalt
Duos net you over 400 gold, which can make a big difference.
stoic ginkgo
You have to be in the rocket explosion
stuck bough
AIght
hollow sorrel
like, you can legit aim it at a wall, if you're near a wall
astral fjord
good thing about it is that you dont have to wait for the projectile to land
stuck bough
true
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663103745525284893/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 who would you say I should go for? I'm tempted to go for Ares to get some doom to boost my damage but not sure
astral fjord
I'd go for artemis personally
novel python
Is it worth it for shield?
astral fjord
I usually try to keep it to 2-3 gods
per run
her call is pretty good
and support fire is insane on shield
novel python
Also do I need to purge one of the boons to get something from another god? As in do I need to purge the attack to get a different one to drop?
astral fjord
no if you're swapping you get a rarity up
say if you're presented an attack special or cast from either they would be rank in rarity higher than what you currently have
I just pushed hades around, like literally
turns out, explosive fire&spread fire plus tempest strike does the trick
should've recorded it cause it felt like it was sub 1 min
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663105042974507028/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 crappy boons tho
im sad
is the dash good enough or should I take the prophecy
astral fjord
dash attack is pretty good on shield ye
i dont think you'll get any better dash from your two other gods
novel python
Is it worth taking the nectar from ||eurydice|| ?
I mean it's... still pretty early?
barren plume
I take it more often than not
astral fjord
depends
barren plume
If I have a lot of boons I might not
novel python
I have everything apart from call
astral fjord
if you have what you think is the "core" of your build pom or ambrosia is good
but if you're still looking for it nectar is gucci
kindred matrix
zzzz
this game hates me
i had
1 ares
and a couple artemis
and then later on i got nothing but dionysus
i don't want dionysus -.-
he is useless for my build
barren plume
positive outlook tho
novel python
How do you even
kindred matrix
them being the bosses
novel python
Insta kill
barren plume
the resistance while at low health?
barren plume
_ if you already have a boss killer getup why are you complaining_
kindred matrix
it wasn't though >_>
i didn't manage to get
the homing legendary
the duo boon*
the caster build becomes kinda bleh before you get that
i was basically stuck with a subpar build because
i kept getting dionysus
Every single time
barren plume
i go with poseidon blade and aphro cast for cast builds tbh
kindred matrix
i need to win with spear
😐
i was hoping to get lucky but nope
dionysus
half way through
barren plume
dash attack spear is nice
kindred matrix
and a random athetna
athena*
maybe if I had commited to dionysus
but the way I was going i was too far in
barren plume
if you get art dash and some chaos you can do some damage with pear
barren plume
but you're sacrificing the all powerful athena dash
kindred matrix
on*
and athena dash wasn't an option
I just got really unlucky with RNG
half way through the run
barren plume
spear builds are usually dogdoodoo or godly
barren plume
you could go poison spear too
kindred matrix
ya maybe if i had him early on I woulda
but kinda annoying when it happened half way through
and I already commited
barren nimbus
oh man middle management barge of death is tough, i think i took more damage there than on the extreme measures boss
barren plume
yeah that's a heated topic @barren nimbus
if people don't have a solid build by the time they're at barge they just suicide on high heat.
barren nimbus
yea, i think i made it out on single digit hp lmao
and thats with only extreme measures + middle management
barren plume
this holds true even more when people are on timed runs
grim adder
oof. Hermes, Eurydice, or Chaos?
novel python
grim adder
I'd take the lightning rod
barren plume
wot
unkempt pagoda
lightning rod for quest, and also zeus cast tends to head off on its own anyway
barren plume
I'd go +crit damage but idk
novel python
And how do you use that, just leave them on the ground?
unkempt pagoda
yes
grim adder
when they pop out, yeah
barren plume
Oh quest then nvm
novel python
both crit and rod are quest
unkempt pagoda
if you can get fully loaded, lightning rod is an easy win
barren plume
oh
novel python
@unkempt pagoda I haven't even beat the game once
grim adder
the +crit damage boosts your crit from 200% to 230%, it's not as big as it seems
barren plume
that's a big if @unkempt pagoda
stray frigate
@grim adder basic crit 300
novel python
fully loaded?
barren plume
it's artemis legendary
kindred matrix
I believe in this run
barren plume
gives you +3 cast
novel python
Ah
kindred matrix
I got chiron + zeus special + double lightning
unkempt pagoda
i mean, even with just 3 casts
kindred matrix
- 4 shot on hammer too
unkempt pagoda
that's 600 damage every 3 seconds
grim adder
@stray frigate do you mean 300% damage, or 200% bonus on top of your 100% damage?
stray frigate
isnt it the same?)
barren plume
Implying enemies will stay around the crystal
unkempt pagoda
then pick it up and recast
grim adder
you can throw the crystals at a wall on purpose
then they sit there doing damage
really useful in styx
unkempt pagoda
but don't take lightning rod if your eyes are sensitive to zeus bolts, cause they go off a lot
barren plume
styx wouldn't be that bad to use but if he's in asphodel idk if it'd be that worf.
barren plume
then lightning rod had more worf at that point ig
barren plume
i'm biased here cause I usually use the boiling blood damage bonus and pick them up immediately so lightning rod never gained light in my eyes
grim adder
I'd go with the bull rush, @novel python
unkempt pagoda
explosive return, imo
grim adder
explosive return is definitely a choice too
novel python
Well I'm using chaos shield
unkempt pagoda
even though the bonus chaos shields don't explode, having the extra 60 aoe is 👌
barren plume
yeah
novel python
So I use it to get double special
barren plume
i'd go with explosive return
grim adder
there's usually a lot of armor late elysium and in styx, so the armor bonus is pretty strong
but it'll do nothing against bosses
(well, not directly)
unkempt pagoda
the explosive return is 4 specials in one, in an area, plus all the chaos shields
grim adder
explosive return only works on 1 chaos shield, not all of them
barren plume
^
unkempt pagoda
especially since it's also aoe poison
barren plume
^
grim adder
I did cheese the final boss once with explosive return as it seems to penetrate through walls
unkempt pagoda
personally, i'd go for explosive return, then try to dig for either fully loaded, or jolted or marked for privileged status
heady zephyr
do multi-hit attacks like the bow special roll separately for crit on each attack, or is it on a per-burst basis?
grim adder
tbh you might still get lightning rod from a later boon
all the more reason I'd take the rush one, I think that has earlier use
ugh, and I'm still sitting here weighing up chaos, hermes and euridice :/
novel python
grim adder
has to be euridice, she's a one-off, the other two may recur
call is good, but I wouldn't ignore the quest on curse of vengance
unkempt pagoda
i'd take the quest
novel python
wouldn't ignore 15sec of invulnerability while you're doing a crapton of damage either
Welp
Let's hope the doom will stay on long enough so I can proc the +dmg
grim adder
I didn't know heartbreak flourish went up to 200% damage bonus at heroic, oof
and I'm running chaos aspect shield, winning
novel python
Nothing from patroclus actually helps at this point, I'm at 202/250 hp and I have all my DDs
should I just get the +damage and wing it
grim adder
yeah, I do like that jerky
although if your build is special focused it's pointless
it's a shame the heal is so bad
novel python
I mean, my build is a mix of everything tbh
grim adder
usually you'll get a fountain, the boss, then the mid-biome room and it's totally wasted
novel python
I have artemis dash and attack with ares revenge, dio special and zeus cast
I still need to apply jolted or something on top of the poison to proc the damage ups
but aphro is hiding
fml
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663114519769382972/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 I got the call and quest choice again aaaaaaaa I'm crying
kindred matrix
im loving this build so far
barren nimbus
oh dear god hunting blades + vicious cycle is absolutely disgusting
i love this so much
kindred matrix
yeaaa
this is what i have so far
oh rip cant screenshot but yea
my chiron bow build is so broken
i have high hopes for this run 🙂
barren nimbus
i just killed the final boss with just like 20 casts holy hell
turbid needle
Hunting Blades is the best boon in the game.
turbid needle
The two alone are more DPS than most end-game builds, honestly.
pure junco
Relentless barrage + Heartbreak flourish = 1 min (or less) Hydra fight.
barren nimbus
i got super lucky grabbing vicious cycle in one of the last styx rooms
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663118137683869697/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 is the mark worth it
turbid needle
Yeah.
kindred matrix
oh my god LOL
i didn't think
poseidon on attack for chiron would be so helpful
but it actually shreds armor
wow
i got my fastest hades kill
with this build
chiron aspect + zeus on special + jolt + lightnign strikes twice + chance for lightning bolt
- expose
from athena + athena dash
and + special damage caos
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/663119812142301208/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 I'm about to fight the boi
novel python
Should I just take the quest? Or the damage up
I'm pretty sure I'll die an ugly death
gloomy scroll
what heat
gloomy scroll
looks fine
novel python
Or is it 1? It's my first time
gloomy scroll
any extra dashes? I can't tell
gloomy scroll
uhhhhhhh I don't use block enough to know
gloomy scroll
well I'd say
play careful, don't go too fast
just take your time and know where the permanent barriers are
novel python
If only I'd know that
I got the spearpoint though
Praying that would save me
It did save me in sewers
gloomy scroll
well there's a cluster of pillars
if you're on the talk screen they should be lower right to you
those leave a barrier
pure junco
Twin shot and Aphrodite special on Hera Aspect bow. OMG I one shot everything.
grim adder
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663122990338408489/663123058638323716/unknown.png what don't I buy? 😄
novel python
Aah, looks like it works, bravo!