#h1-builds-and-combat

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wary knot
mild crag
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lol

wary knot
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Shoutouts to getting (and promptly selling) Spent Spirit 3 times over the course of the run

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#value

last nacelle
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Spent that spirit al right.

barren nimbus
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how exactly does the eris aspect rail work? what does absorbing your special mean?

mild crag
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as if you'd sell spent spirit!

last nacelle
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Or, more like Sold Spirit.

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You stand in the explosion from your special.

unkempt pagoda
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^

wary knot
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I don't have any speed boost heat going, so I don't really need the projectile slow-down

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Selling it the last time was pretty pointless I will admit, I was just committed at that point

mild crag
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fair

wary knot
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I find it actually hurts you on the last boss as their projectiles home in on you better when they move so slowly. Dunno if that's just me though

mild crag
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if you have spent spirit you probably have deflect

gray lintel
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aren't those projectiles killable tho

mild crag
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so i think it works out

wary knot
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Fair point, does make em easy to deflect/destroy!

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I just get hit in the back of the head by them when I'm not paying attention dusa

mild crag
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interesting

unkempt pagoda
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shield, charon aspect: it's just a big coin

mild crag
unkempt pagoda
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potentially bug?

mild crag
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I wonder

unkempt pagoda
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could be intended

azure bone
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@gray lintel that build wont work. There's a unique interaction between the revenge auto-proc and shield block in that you become 'vulnerable' for a split second while the revenge occurs.

wary knot
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Sell premium vintage when below 30 HP
Die

azure bone
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I think its intended purely to make that build non-functional

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you can still block forever, but when the AoE pulse goes out you'll take damage

wary knot
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Kinda makes sense, would be pretty cheesy otherwise

azure bone
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discovered that while blocking lasers with that build in the hades fight

gray lintel
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huh weird

azure bone
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also god I wish I could turn on extreme measure for every fight except the hydra

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I can do so good, then I hit extreme measures hydra on high heat and looks like two DD minimum every time.

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Then I go near flawlessly through elysium. Can even beat theseus/astarius without taking damage. But heightened security + hydra sucks so much

wary knot
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Wait heightened security applies to lava?

mild crag
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Suuuuure does

wary knot
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That's messed up

mild crag
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so the first tick hits for 9, then 18 then 27 etc

wary knot
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Whaaaat, not even 8,9,10? That's insane

mild crag
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its wack alright

gray lintel
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lava is counted as a trap ya

wary knot
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That does not seem worth it for 2 heat, I guess it's kinda negligible otherwise but ouch

gray lintel
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sure footing seems to increase the delay before you take damage I've heard?

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also traps generally are 100% avoidable which is why it's so high I think

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even lava

mild crag
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sort of like

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it doesnt' strictly make the game any harder

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you just get punished more

wary knot
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Yeah it makes sense, just sucks that it's so punishing when you mess up. Like spikes doing 40 damage hurts but seems fair, sawblades in Styx doing 160 (right?) seems kinda wild

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Especially with lava, which even with the new screen effect I struggle to avoid completely in fights like Extreme Hydra

dire cedar
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In Extreme hydra it's also b/c you dash a bit to get a good angle, and you think you are not in the lava but you are.

azure bone
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Yep

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I only die to lava in extreme hydra. Well kinda

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see I have this thing where every time I do extreme hydra its just the shadow wave head 100% of the time

wary knot
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I feel like the edges of the platforms in that fight could be a little more defined/clear to the eye?

azure bone
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And I never get athena dash before then

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Well its also the lava circles the one heads spawn, they're kinda hard to see with the clustered mess the extreme hydra is

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afaik they are also affected by heightened security

wary knot
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Messed up I say!

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Are the urns the last boss spawns also considered traps?

karmic coyote
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yes, they can oneshot you if you use heightened security

hollow sorrel
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Does Meg eventually disappear from the starting area? I haven't seen her there since like the last 10 times I've been in the starting area

pastel jolt
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nope, it's just rng

hollow sorrel
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ty

wary knot
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Dang, touch an urn, take like 160 damage and get stunned?

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That's brutal

mild crag
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out of time on elysium again...
👏 REWORK 👏 DEADLINE 👏 NOW 👏

karmic coyote
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the good thing is that you don't usually get stunned because it already killed you first

wary knot
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Lmao, always a silver lining

pure junco
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What's the best Daedalus upgrade for shield (zag aspect)?

hollow sorrel
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I agree; deadline on elysium is way off. The other biomes seem fine.

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I like Chaos. I REALLY wanted to like Zeus, but it's too slow for the large number of hyper bouncy enemies

karmic coyote
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upgraded hydra fight alone probably takes like 5 minutes already

hollow sorrel
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The most exicitng thing zeus shield does, is positioning it so it lands directly on top of a glowing pink butterfly globe

wary knot
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Er, the quick bull rush is pretty good Rocket?

pure junco
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OK

hollow sorrel
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quick bull rush + the piercing shot was a bit op for a combo

azure bone
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double hammer combos are always disgusting

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triple shot rockets

stoic ginkgo
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Does lava count as a trap?

azure bone
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yes

unkempt pagoda
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dashing wallop is great for a shield attack build

azure bone
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and it goes 9/18/27 damage per tick

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with heightened security

mild crag
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was gonna win til i got two rooms full of shield dudes...

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so mad rn

karmic coyote
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how many heat

mild crag
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40

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was on a good run even had a DD still

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but

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⏲️

karmic coyote
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holy heat, what other 5 heat you didn't pick

fiery wigeon
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is there a way to start all over when u dont like how its going or do u just have to kys?

barren plume
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Oh fr my dumbo of a brain thought 32 was max for some reason

mild crag
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@karmic coyote damage control, no choice and the last rank of lasting consequences

hollow sorrel
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I don't think there is a surrender game button, unfortunately

karmic coyote
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@fiery wigeon there is an option to give up, but it only shows up if you take damage if you first enter a room or something then it should replace quit option

hollow sorrel
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!!

karmic coyote
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oh i see, no choice is the worst

mild crag
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it also makes you re-use the last seed you had and counts as tho the run never happened @hollow sorrel

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so its still better to just die

azure bone
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Lol I just got one shotted by a trap

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I had a +600% chaos curse with heightened security

barren plume
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You can also spend and tlak with other people since it resets the place

hollow sorrel
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I wonder if switching weapons and/or switching the starting keepsake changes the seed? I'm not even sure if I worded that correctly

mild crag
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the first room is always the same but then the random rooms after are based on a number of factors

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so no matter what you do you'll always ahve the same starting room

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first few rooms after that are usually similar too

karmic coyote
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some speedrunners can even remember the seed so they know how good of a run they will get

pure junco
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Is spent spirit any good?

mild crag
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i think spent spirit is gud ye

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pretty useful on high heat especially since everything ends up so fast

pure junco
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I am on 0 heat haha

mild crag
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still good anyways

pure junco
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My other options are trash so.

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Why not?

mild crag
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if you dont like it anyway

quick igloo
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How do you get athenas legendary boon

mild crag
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you can see it to the purging pool

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@quick igloo you need a deflect boon and the boon "Brilliant Riposte" before it'll appear

quick igloo
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thanks

native ether
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oh boy do i love walking into a styx room and immediately losing a death defiance because the guillotine traps do 240 damage with max heightened security :kappa:

mild crag
native ether
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this is why Athena is kind of a requirement for a high heat run in all honesty lol

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75% trap damage reduction means traps still really hurt, but its not run ending hurt

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75% reduction means traps are doing only double damage

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not... well... 800% more damage

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I think the shield could do with a slight base damage buff?

It used to be my favourite weapon, because of its adaptability, but as more levels have been added to the underworld and I've become (marginally) better at the game,

It has fallen a fair distance behind the others in terms of DPS and struggles to be effective against increasingly large crowds of tough enemies,

I'm mainly talking about the Special, rather than the basic attack or Bullrush but, with the introduction of Weapon aspects, there are more attractive options available for players wishing to build a strategy around melee attacks

ALTHOUGH: I sizable part of why it feels that way, to me, might just be that the Audio/Visual design of the impact with the shield special, makes it FEEL weaker than other attacks,

Either way, I think it needs some tweaking```

I think most people will agree that the last thing the shield needs is a buff lol
mild crag
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truu

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shield is the best

crisp iris
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Newbs: pls buff shield

Vets: sweating nervously

quaint fern
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i thought newbs like the shield

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its very newb friendly

gritty solar
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shield is nuts

mild crag
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it's both the best newb weapon and the best experienced player weapon

solid cairn
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Is exclusive access worth getting in Asphodel

mild crag
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yeah probably

crisp iris
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It's the dunning kruger effect with shield

solid cairn
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Problem is that you usually get it later than that

native ether
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I think the Rail is the best experienced player weapon but that's mostly cause its honestly way more fun to play no bias and has a higher skill ceiling and higher potential damage output

barren plume
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looks at bow

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heck man yous out of luck

native ether
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But you have to be honestly a much better player with the Rail than with the shield. Shield has blocking and the best movement ability in the game to get out of almost any trouble

hollow sorrel
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do people like hera for high heat, or does it have consistency problems?

karmic coyote
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shield is cheesy as hell, but still fun to an extent

solid cairn
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All weapons are good until like super high heat

native ether
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Bow is just "stay away from enemies and fire". I think playing the Rail is harder (though it does faster damage) cause the rail doesn't have the range the bow has.

Considering Chiron is honestly trash atm, yeah Hera is the pick

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if you can power shot, Zagreus aspect is probably better honestly

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Chiron was too good and then it got nerfed to be really bleh

karmic coyote
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Chiron is still as good as Hera

wary knot
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I miss pre-nerf Chiron bow with Tempest Flourish shadegrief

hollow sorrel
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which is the best rail for high heat? I recently started hell mode, but I almost have 15 extra blood for the rail

solid cairn
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I don’t like bow

native ether
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Eris

wary knot
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The pinball gameplay was too good

quaint fern
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can anyone tell me what you even do with hera?

solid cairn
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Nah Hestia

quaint fern
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is the loading literally just a downside and you get it for the drop time?

unkempt pagoda
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the loading is the best part

native ether
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Eris at maxed is imo better than Hestia at max because at high heat you are probably running heat options that make getting the best boon choices and effects for Hestia extremely unlikely

unkempt pagoda
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you can insta-kill a lot of enemies with a good cast and attack

barren nimbus
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IMO bow special feels pretty underwhelming in general so i really like chirion aspect

native ether
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Chiron special at max rank is still alright

quaint fern
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so its just to save the cast animation?

native ether
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at default rank its awful now. 3 shots

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3 shots at level 1

unkempt pagoda
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the cast is shot at the same moment the attack hits

solid cairn
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Meh not really a factor

unkempt pagoda
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so you get both cast and attack damage at the same time

solid cairn
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Doesn’t really matter how bad it is at low rank

unkempt pagoda
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the drop time is barely a factor in fact, because you can kill enemies so quick

solid cairn
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Hestia and Eris both have that problem

quaint fern
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sure but you can also just cast and attack

mild crag
unkempt pagoda
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but it's faster

native ether
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I meant that for Chiron being bad at low ranks

unkempt pagoda
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and if you kill the enemy with just an attack, the cast continues to shoot onwards

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also you can load multiple casts into one shot anyway

solid cairn
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Is rank 4 Hestia good or is it really only good rank 5

pastel jolt
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oh my god, that clip

solid cairn
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I don’t think I enjoy it enough to level it to 5

native ether
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I have both maxed so I couldn't tell you in all honesty. I had rank 5 maxed before they buffed it the first time

solid cairn
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Only thing I have maxed is zag spear because it’s so cheap

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And sword for my boi skelly

native ether
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Also LOL

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YES

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SPEED

gray lintel
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i've had the dash movespeed with +40% movement speed it's hilarious. i want to try and get that with the +30% movespeed sword too

unkempt pagoda
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PLEASE pin that

native ether
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PLEASE

gray lintel
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it's hilarious when you can outrun ||the minotaur charge||

native ether
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If I get 1 thing and 1 thing only in this life, please let it be that

pastel jolt
native ether
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Beautiful

pastel jolt
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The People Have Spoken

native ether
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Now this

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This is art.

mild crag
native ether
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I need a picture of my boy yusuke drawing his painting and the thumbnail is the painting

gray lintel
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it kinda makes me sad cause dash attacks are insane for DPS but like

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SPEEEEEEEED

pure junco
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I picked shield so I could complete some bounties and hopefully earn some keys and darkness, and I ended up killing T&M with ease...

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I don't even have a good build...

solid cairn
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My aspects are kinda spread out

pure junco
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Whoever said it, they were right when they said Athena dash carried.

gray lintel
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yeah athena dash is great for survivability cause deflect. it ALSO can apply exposed

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which helps with privileged status

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mostly i learned this from a speedrun abloblurk

quaint fern
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it also can trigger doom with the ares duo

barren plume
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Athena dash I find screws minotaur over

gray lintel
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ya i forgot about that one too

native ether
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Eris and Hestia are equally meh for the first couple levels. Both remain strong in their higher and best levels, but Hestia requires more specific boon choices to be super effective, where as Eris works with everything (literally whatever you slap together is good).

So if you're running high enough heat where you're actively considering things like Budget Cuts, Death Insurance, No Choice, Underworld Customs, and things that prevent you from getting your perfect builds, run Eris. You're much less reliant on needing to have perfect boon builds unlike where with Hestia, you need a good base damage modifier on attack, you really want (basically need) something like Artemis dash, and things that buff that basic attack up.

tldr both are great, one is more versatile which plays better to high heat, one offers the flashy numbers which is fun to use and cool, but could struggle without an optimal build.

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considering as well in high heat, you probably cant afford to run things like god keepsakes when its hard enough just to crawl out of tartarus

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seriously, 32 heat is literal hell (and I mean that both in the Hades and the "this is painful" sense)

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I remember trying 45 heat for multiple hours one night. Not once did I make it past the Tartarus miniboss

mild crag
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45 heat is the true tight deadline hell

spark turret
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Do you even do 45 heat kossetsu?

pure junco
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Got the final boss down to like 1/4 hp on ||2nd phase|| then got bopped by ||super lasers||

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Hiding behind rocks depends a ton on their positioning.

karmic coyote
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you don't need to spoiler tag it in this channel

quaint fern
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yeah the los is pretty janky

spark turret
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Yah this chat doesn’t care

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Laser can be buggy but I don’t have it recorded yet

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I’ve had him do a 180 and hit me from behind with the 3 lasers right before it ended

pure junco
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Ah, thanks for the spoilers tip.

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I can dodge the triple laser easy peasy, but the final form where it's faster and there are more of them, is impossible for me.

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Can bull rush block it?

barren plume
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I feel like spoilers chat cares more about big spoiler reveals in story than anything else and this chat is fair game

quaint fern
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bull rush can do anything you want it to

pure junco
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Haha

spare cobalt
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You can hide behind a rock or activate an invulnerability call. Shield can just block.

pastel jolt
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this chat is fair game for spoilers because otherwise it would be impossible to talk about fighting hades without spoiler tags cluttering the channel up

quaint fern
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also you can just laugh at those lasers with the broken speartip

mild crag
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@spark turret nah I don't do 45 heat but I have tried

pure junco
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What's good with Hestia aspect?

wary knot
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Your shots have 1500% base damage

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But are slow, it kinda plays like the bow really

mild crag
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It's every first shot of a manual reload

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They have increased range and perfect accuracy too

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Compared to normal rail shots

pure junco
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What boons, I mean.

spare cobalt
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Aphrodite attack for its high % bonus to damage, Artemis dodge for its high % bonus to dodge attack damage. Basically, things that boost an already high damage attack.

wary knot
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Artemis attack is an okay 2nd option after Aphrodite

pure junco
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So how does infinity chamber work with Hestia aspect :_:

azure bone
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For the rail I always will recommend Poseidon on the main attack if you can't get the hammer for stagger upgrade

quaint fern
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you can get the chaos boon for dash attack damage too

wary knot
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It... works! But you wouldn't want to take it really

gray lintel
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you can also just go straight up lady luck and get Artemis

azure bone
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Otherwise you can't inturrupt enemies with the gun

gray lintel
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and see how high your crit damage gets

pure junco
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Flurry or spread fire

mild crag
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@pure junco you can reload still but it doesn't do anything except empower a shot, just don't take infinity chamber on hestia

pure junco
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I wasn't going to.

azure bone
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If going hestia you should really only grab the upgrades for special

wary knot
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Critting for 3000 with the Hestia rail is the good stuff*

spare cobalt
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Piercing fire.

azure bone
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If you 'have' to pick between flurry, spread, and infinity you just die a little inside

wary knot
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Piercing fire means you can't backstab with the Hestia anymore, which is kind of a shame

azure bone
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But I'd go spread since it can be pretty bursty up close

mild crag
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You take flurry and you cri

spare cobalt
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I'd say it's worth it for ignoring shields and stripping armor, but ymmv.

azure bone
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But yea I feel like the best ones are Explosive fire, Triple Bomb, and Inescapable Blast

mild crag
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Does piercing stop backstabs?

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I never noticed

azure bone
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the inescapable blast works on everything

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even hades

mild crag
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Inescapable blast so good for flame wheels and asterius too

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Also with 50% overtime

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It's pretty nice for even elite numbskulls

gray lintel
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inescapable blast is hilarious with dionysus

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make people ven slower when poisoned, have poison on primary attack

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shoot people with poison then launch a bomb, what is moving

spark turret
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@mild crag that’s pretty cool

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I might try to later but some of the gimmicks annoy me

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And that’s coming from someone who used to play the lost in Isaac before they buffed him

mild crag
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you mean the pact gimmicks?

spark turret
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Yah some of them I don’t like

mild crag
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same

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the three that i try to keep off i really dont like

spark turret
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The boss fight change is amazing

mild crag
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(no choice, damage control and lasting consequences)

spark turret
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I dislike he trap one cus I’ve been cheesed by hades a lot

mild crag
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ah yeah

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monkaChrist ⚱️

spark turret
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Like the attack rather does nothing or 1 shots you

quick igloo
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How do you use ambrosia

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I got skelly and Sisyphus to max hearts

mild crag
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especially annoying when they pop up and bop you for damage

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check the codex

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if there's a locked heart then you need to do a story event

quick igloo
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So is skellys event killing him?

spark turret
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^

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Yah do his quest

mild crag
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yup upgrade zagreus aspect of stygius to max and kill him

spark turret
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Yah I’ve had a really close high heat run die to jars

pure junco
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Piercing fire, rocket bomb, or inescapable blast?

mild crag
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what aspect?

pure junco
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Still Hestia.

mild crag
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and where are you at

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do you have another upgrade?

pure junco
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I have spread fire

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I am at... Elysium?

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The nice place

mild crag
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oof spread fire

pure junco
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mhm

mild crag
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well depends

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whatever you think you'll have more trouble with

pure junco
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I have more boons for my special

mild crag
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if you think you'll have trouble with chariots, flame wheels and asterius that inescapbable blast

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if you think you'll have trouble with shields, thesus or other armored enemeies take piercing

pure junco
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Neat

mild crag
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blast might be good

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if your special is way strong

brisk sentinel
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for duo boons, do you need to get boons in a specific order?

mild crag
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not in order, but you need specific ones

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the wiki shows requirements

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or if you have a specific one in mind i might be able to remember

crisp iris
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Hmm

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Did the devs ever talk about enemues that CC Zag

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I feel like it'd take away from the "fairness" a lot but I don't think I've ever ran into a proper response before

mild crag
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whatcha mean

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you mean you want some cc enemies?

wary knot
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I... assume that's what they mean? Interested in SuperGiant's approach to CC or whatever

crisp iris
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IE: enemies that can YEET Zag

mild crag
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i dun know if i like that

crisp iris
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Or just stuns you

mild crag
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they can hitstun you already i guess

wary knot
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The only CC in the game is... Medusa heads and Hades urns right?

thorny edge
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those pretrifying enemies are annooying enough

mild crag
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ye

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the gorgons too

wary knot
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I'm probably forgetting some

crisp iris
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O rite Gorgons exist

pure junco
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What trinket to take into the passageways/final boss?

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I have spearpoint

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Or should I pick tooth?

crisp iris
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My main thought is on enemies that will YEET Zag

grand smelt
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Chaos is the CC enemy

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Hits you with that -53% move speed

wary knot
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Spearpoint is certainly broken in Sytx, at least in my opinion

crisp iris
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son of a gun I knew he an enemy

wary knot
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Just makes the biome so much easier

pure junco
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K

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It was already easy enough though.

crisp iris
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Inb4 getting poisoned to death

wary knot
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Just means you don't really take damage from poison, snake stones, or rat swarms

pure junco
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I have it rank 1 rn haha

wary knot
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Although the spearpoint doesn't seem to trigger when you get stunned by an urn against the final boss shadegrief

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Gotta take your licks there

pure junco
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Why does it feel like my dashes get increased range, what causes that?

spark turret
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there is a cc enemy

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the medusa heads

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turn you to stone

pure junco
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I picked up blinding flash and I already had Athena dashes, so why does that increase my dash length?

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Maybe it's just the camera in the passageways...

mild crag
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dash length doesnt change due to anything as far as i know

pure junco
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Ah, that must be it.

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The camera is just super zoomed in.

spark turret
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yah nothing increases dash length

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I should do a chaos shield run

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I just maxed it

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any good ideas on runs?

mild crag
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poison on the special perhaps

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i think that's good

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i dont really play with chaos shield

pure junco
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Here's the challenge, the only thing you can do is cast.

wary knot
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Zeus on the special is sweet for the Chaos shield, each individual shield creates a lightning bolt

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Unlike the Chiron bow special shadegrief

karmic coyote
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Hera bow cast only

spark turret
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I did an only dash run

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I am not doing cast only

karmic coyote
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haha it's impossible anyway, cast only on Hera bow doesn't do anything

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did you win that dash only run

wary knot
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Just gotta highroll that Artemis into quick reload as your first boon dusa

spark turret
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yes I did

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lmao

karmic coyote
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impressive, Athena dash?

spark turret
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no

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Poseidon

mild crag
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you win this round deathboat

karmic coyote
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dang how long did it take to kill the hydra

spark turret
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you died to enhanced death boat?

mild crag
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yes

spark turret
#

hydra was fast

#

so was hades

mild crag
#

i know people are probably starting to think "kossetsu are you gonna whine here every time you die to middle management deathboat"

spark turret
#

when you have 6 dashes and they can crit

mild crag
#

and the answers is

#

probably

spark turret
#

you can't take damage

karmic coyote
#

impossible, witchcraft i say

spark turret
#

is deathboat the only really hard one in middle management?

mild crag
#

nah megagorgon is pretty difficult too

#

tartarus middle management is easy

#

it doesn't affect asterius and

#

the butterfly balls can be annoying if you have low damage

#

otherwise it's fine

spark turret
#

it summons 2 balls

mild crag
#

ye

spark turret
#

that sounds horrid

#

I never have good damage runs

#

so I always run butterfly neckless to try and counterbalance

karmic coyote
#

butterfly on high heat residentzag

mild crag
#

got spent spirit in tartarus yess

spark turret
#

wow hades has a good amount of viewers for an indie game on tiwtch

#

and whats spent spirit again?

mild crag
#

enemy projectiles move 60% slower

#

aphro/athena duo

prisma zephyr
#

bruh the gouda cheese that is my shield run atm

#

jezus

cerulean lynx
#

oof, just failed a run with 9 minute tight deadline. got into final fight with 13 seconds to spare and died to the 5/sec damage tick. worst part is, i just got unlucky and had to go through all the temple rooms. felt kinda unfair ngl!

mild crag
#

oof @cerulean lynx that is rough

hollow sorrel
#

Northernlion has this game on his stream a lot, so this game gets a lot of exposure

cerulean lynx
#

have you been able to finish one @mild crag? its painful

mild crag
#

finish what in particular?

barren plume
#

Is this server not nitroboosted?

spark turret
#

its kinda nice because I love nl

barren plume
#

Ah it is discord just being wack

spark turret
#

and its up to lvl 2

#

for being boosted

cerulean lynx
#

the tight deadline

mild crag
#

yeah ive done the 7 minute one, but i didnt get ruined in styx

spark turret
#

tight deadline looks like hell to me

#

and I speedrun a game

#

lmao

mild crag
#

i ran out during the heroes fight in elysium but managed to get through it

prisma zephyr
#

yeah tight deadline is pre' evil

cerulean lynx
#

i thought it was the easiest one at first haha

#

that was.... uninformed.

spark turret
#

I thought that about high security

#

well my friend did

#

3 runs later and I will never take it again

mild crag
#

just sold sure footing and noting it down here so i can feel the regret later

barren plume
#

people sleeping on the first hit invincibility

spark turret
#

is first hit invincibility hard?

barren plume
#

no

#

easiest imo

cerulean lynx
#

may have to try it then

spark turret
#

I might have to too

prisma zephyr
#

yeah i try not to run tight deadline, forced overtime, no choice and underworld customs

barren plume
#

if you're going rail you hardly acknowledge it for the most part

prisma zephyr
#

it's still possible to get to 32 heat without them though

barren plume
#

shield you can just pop your special and it's gone

mild crag
#

do not take damage control if you are a hestia gamer

prisma zephyr
#

gamers rise up

cerulean lynx
#

ooh yeah that would suck

barren plume
#

we live in a society where gamers don't rule the world my guys

cerulean lynx
#

hows extreme measures?

spark turret
#

I feel I can do 32 easy

#

but I want to do it with only one death defiance

#

which makes it not as easy

turbid needle
#

32 is pretty terrifying.

spark turret
#

I sleep on 16

karmic coyote
#

extreme measure is pretty fun, except the hydra fight

spark turret
#

so 32 doesn't sound that bad

#

I LOVE hydra

mild crag
#

can we change athena DD boons to give you a charge pls

spark turret
#

with extreme

turbid needle
#

Then go for it.

spark turret
#

I love his stupid map

prisma zephyr
#

yeah the hydra fight feels clunky atm due to hitting an impervious enemy causes knockback

#

so it just pushes you into the lava

barren plume
#

doesn't one of athena boons already do that?????

#

or am i wack

karmic coyote
#

you maybe the first one to like hydra fight

mild crag
#

athena boons recovers a charge not grants a whole new one

barren plume
#

ah

cerulean lynx
#

i cant stand hydra and heroes just because you fight them so often

#

love the variety in the furies though

karmic coyote
#

only Chaos legendary gives you a new dd

turbid needle
#

And Skelly.

prisma zephyr
#

i haven't seen the chaos legendary once in over 100 hours

#

:(

karmic coyote
#

oh i mean boon only

#

i have seen it 3 times GWpingKanyeLUL

twilit prairie
#

The only thing i hate about the hydra 2.0 fight is that the heads just float over the lava half the time. Meanwhile im tryin not to burn my butt off as all the projectiles try to trap me off the map etc

#

Honestly i lose so much more hp on that fight than fury 2.0 and heroes 2.0

quick igloo
#

What weapon is worth getting the aspect all the way to full

obtuse ravine
quick igloo
#

Was thinking zeus shield, I got zag blade

barren plume
#

you mean the heads don't do that on 1.0 themselves?

quick igloo
#

and maybe hera bow?

mild crag
prisma zephyr
#

zagreus/hera/chiron bow, nemesis sword, chaos shield, hestia/eris rail, zagreus spear

karmic coyote
#

and Hades spear

quick igloo
#

so get them all maxed???

#

Like which ones are a must to max first

prisma zephyr
#

depends on what you prefer playing i guess

obtuse ravine
#

I maxed out Nemesis Sword, Zag Spear, Zag Shield

turbid needle
#

Per weapon: Poseidon, Achilles, Zagreus, Chiron, and Eris.

twilit prairie
#

Chaos shield over zag shield? People press Q with the shield? rooThink

turbid needle
#

I right click, yes. ron

prisma zephyr
#

yes because you can apply doom/rupture/jolted to everything in the arena

#

very easy to room clear with

twilit prairie
#

Me click SMOrc what Q

quick igloo
#

Is the hera aspect not worth the upgrade? It seems pretty busted

twilit prairie
#

I only use Q to proc status effects idk.

quick igloo
#

like if I'm doing my math right the level 5 is 0 seconds on your cast

prisma zephyr
#

for which weapon squid?

#

bow?

quick igloo
#

Hera Bow

karmic coyote
#

nope max level is still like 5 seconds

prisma zephyr
#

all of them accomplish effectively the same thing

turbid needle
#

It's strongest with the Casts that don't stick in enemies.

quick igloo
#

I see

heavy bough
#

out of curiosity for keyboard players did anyone rebind their space and if so to what? because this game its often better to move diagonal than cardinal to pass thru stuff etc. i find myself kinda choking when theres heavy movement to be done consecutively

wary knot
#

Does the Hera bow decreased cast drop time affect Festive Fog? I imagine it's unchanged but I haven't checked

twilit prairie
#

Personally i found it worth to upgrade. But i use the bow a lot. Helps with bosses a lot to reload the casts faster. Prob not necessary after lvl 3 or so thoe

turbid needle
#

It's unchanged, @wary knot

glad mantle
#

I still bound mine to space personally

wary knot
#

Shame, point and shoot festive fog is sweet

glad mantle
#

no other button seems natural for movement other than space

#

if you have a mouse with macros you could try to bind it to one of those

#

it might help

turbid needle
#

I don't see your problem, I can press all four diagonals without taking my thumb off the space bar.

hybrid frost
#

Man, this build was off the chain.
https://ibb.co/HCy3f47
Thanks to Billowing Stength, as soon as I triggered my first Call Final Boss just melted!

imgbb.com
Hades-00223

Image Hades-00223 in Jonathan Richardson's images album

glad mantle
#

speaking of call, is it me or does Athena's call just seem like a worse Ares, Posiden call

#

in every way?

hybrid frost
#

Not just you.

glad mantle
#

like its less duration, doesn't do damage, has terrible scaling

hybrid frost
#

Athena has the problem of either being too strong or too weak.

glad mantle
#

yeah

#

her dash deflect

#

is honestly key for me

#

i'm so dependent on it i find myself dashing into projectiles sometimes without the buff

#

thinking i can deflect it

hybrid frost
mild crag
#

nop

#

not worse than ares and poseiden

#

works better with billowing strength

wary knot
#

Current Streak: 70

That's a lot of Hades bullying

hybrid frost
twilit prairie
#

I pretty much only pick up athena dash and sometimes a deflect attack or special. Everything else meh (and status effect if i have to)

karmic coyote
#

and highest heat is with the Bow, clearly a man of culture

hybrid frost
#

I was grinding darkness.

Lately I've been trying to get the last Chaos boon for ||FatedList||.
For 60 of those runs....

shadegrief shadedisgruntled shadegrief

prisma zephyr
#

athena's aid is very good also

karmic coyote
#

i like Ares call the most, then Zeus for its sheer damage, just hope that the filter would be less distracting

hybrid frost
#

Yeah, old Chrion ftw.

#

Zeus filter is crazy!

azure bone
#

Is zues really that much damage? It always feels like artemis hits harder unless you get lucky and don't crit (But yuo can get stuff like deflect increases crit which I imagine works on it)

twilit prairie
#

Zeus aid is easily the best if you have it upgraded and have the chance for double hit imo. Otherwise i like dio, poseidon, and ares

karmic coyote
#

i honestly can't see anything if i use it in Hades fight

azure bone
#

Nevermind the fact zues requires standing near stuff and risking damage

hybrid frost
#

Just used in my last run. If Final Boss hadn't melted I'd have taken some serious damage.

karmic coyote
#

how busted was old Chiron btw, this version is still great imo

turbid needle
#

It was pretty nutty.

#

I think you could two-shot Fury phases?

hybrid frost
#

👆

turbid needle
#

With Deadly Flourish.

wary knot
#

It fired what, 2 more shots? Or was it nerfed harder than that?

#

My memory might be bad

hybrid frost
#

It's not much weaker no tbh.

turbid needle
#

I used it most when it had +50% Relentless Barrage, but it briefly had +100%.

#

That was 18 shots, I think.

hybrid frost
#

I was just saying I beat my bow heat runs with old Chiron.

unkempt pagoda
#

just watched a streamer death defy during A&T, clip into a pillar, then immediately die again

wary knot
#

Oh yeah the Hammer upgrade change was a big nerf for sure

turbid needle
#

I got Chiron up to 15 or 16 and then Hera'd to 19 and got 20 with Zagreus.

hybrid frost
#

Love Hera.

#

Haven't bought Zag yet.

#

Saving Blood for new Aspects.

turbid needle
#

Zagreus is amazing with Deadly Strike. 25% crit rate?

prisma zephyr
#

hera's nice but it gives me carpal tunnel so i just use zagreus

hybrid frost
#

I have the power!

(my hand hurts)

karmic coyote
#

sweet lord, and here i thought 11 shots with relentless barrage was destroying everything already

wary knot
#

Yeah, 18 shot specials with Poseidon pinball action

#

Good times

prisma zephyr
#

they all effectively accomplish the same thing, which is single target nuking

twilit prairie
#

What is good about zag aspect on spear? Seems like trash to me

#

Wait not zag

prisma zephyr
#

synergy with multi-skewer, which is really go

#

o

twilit prairie
#

The special distance one

prisma zephyr
#

yeah zagreus

twilit prairie
#

Poseidon?

#

O yea that one is zag

azure bone
#

Zag aspect on spear is good for rocket spear throw if you can get it

prisma zephyr
#

but yeah, synergy with multi-skewer which is one of the three daedalus hammer choices you're looking for on high heat

quaint fern
#

yeah 1 or 2 levels seems ok, more seems like overkill

prisma zephyr
#

the other ones suck anyway

azure bone
#

Achilles spear is disgustingly good

#

what are you on o.O

twilit prairie
#

Hmm ill have to try it. I never really play spear at all

prisma zephyr
#

it's ok, but you don't need it at all

#

dashes suffice already

azure bone
#

But you don't lose anything having it

prisma zephyr
#

being able to activate multi-skewer is better imo

hybrid frost
#

Achilles is not my style.

azure bone
#

You can still throw and call back

wary knot
#

Talking trash about Raging Throw spin builds shadegrief

prisma zephyr
#

since multi-skewer atm is rather clunky

quaint fern
#

arent we talking about zag aspect

prisma zephyr
#

but it's still one of the best hammer choices

hybrid frost
#

I used Hades until I started doing heat.
Now it's too risky.

prisma zephyr
#

multi-skewer/flurry jab/extending jab are your three you're looking for on high heat runs

#

after you get multi-skewer you're also happy to see armor skewer

#

but not the other way around

twilit prairie
#

Yea armor skewer seems like trash unless u already have something going

pure junco
#

What's so great about raging rush?

#

I just got it.

prisma zephyr
#

extra damage at the end of the rush and more mobility options

karmic coyote
#

i like vicious skewer the most, combines with armor skewer and it clobbers shield dude

pure junco
#

Eh, I have max Zag form, maybe I shouldn't buy achilles.

prisma zephyr
#

armor skewer is definitely valuable on something like the double butterfly fight

#

since breaking armour takes 10 years on that

#

and you can skewer both at the same time

twilit prairie
#

V A L U E

mild crag
#

oh lord

hybrid frost
#

@pure junco - Try it out on Skelly or a trial run, then if you don't like it, quit/Give Up the game and you'll get your blood back.
Just don't go back to you bedroom before you quit!

prisma zephyr
#

brain power of that lout is at least 100

mild crag
#

didnt even spill his drink

pure junco
prisma zephyr
#

bleh

pure junco
#

ikr

prisma zephyr
#

probably still deadly strike

pure junco
#

Epic ooh shiny

prisma zephyr
#

it is bleh tho

twilit prairie
#

I woulda gone hunter dash and then hope for a better attack boon later

mild crag
#

i think epic attack still

#

just purge it if you really dont want it

prisma zephyr
#

with chaos shield you definitely want boons for your special and debuffs

#

like jolted/doom/rupture specifically

vestal umbra
#

Taking it means you have a chance of getting a replacement with heroic rarity so even if waiting for a better attack it could be good.

wary knot
#

Also 39% bonus damage with a 15% chance to crit is still like... 80% extra damage on average right?

#

Unless my maths is big wrong

hybrid frost
#

Hunter Dash fulfills Fate list....

wary knot
#

Dunno if that's above or below average for an epic boon for the shield attack, but it seems fairly reasonable

mild crag
#

epic aphro is up to 100% so its oki

wary knot
#

And Aphro also applies weak. So strong!

native cipher
#

help i accidentally made oldur from battlerite

#

adamant rail + ares attack + athena dash + athena special + detonate on deflect

karmic coyote
#

i never really like weak debuff tbh, sure it's free hp but who needs hp when you have damage

mild crag
#

its cause aphro is weak and damage

native cipher
#

don't worry it also doubles your attack damage

prisma zephyr
#

it procs privileged status

native cipher
#

that too

mild crag
#

and you can get sweet surrender too

hybrid frost
#

It lets you get away with defending less and smashing face more.

#

For speed runs.

barren plume
#

_ she gives you a shotgun_

last nacelle
#

This isn't Doom.

barren plume
#

SOME UNCLOTHED GODESS IS GIVING YOU A SHOTGUN

karmic coyote
#

yeah true but the other curse effects are just cooler to me, and i love Aphrodite cast, basically turns your bow into BFG

azure bone
#

So random question, can all the spears trigger traps?

#

I was running achilles and noticed I could throw my spear at a trap to trigger it

hybrid frost
#

I think so?

azure bone
#

So I was killing enemies just by throwing spears while they were in front of the trap

native cipher
#

"debuff not direc damij no direc damij is stinky"
-actual aphrodite haters

azure bone
#

Aphrodite has highest direct damage tho

mild crag
#

^

spare cobalt
#

She's notably overstatted.

native cipher
#

she would still be broken without it

azure bone
#

Imo

native cipher
#

not once in my life have i taken aphro for damage. i've taken her because she doubles my effective hp

azure bone
#

She and poseidon should switch damage values

prisma zephyr
#

i only take aphro to apply weak, the damage doesn't scale as well as other things

wary knot
#

Does Heightened Security also make the traps do more damage to enemies?

native cipher
#

nop

wary knot
native cipher
#

i feel ya

#

neither does the chaos debuff

wary knot
#

Woulda made lava kind of a trivial way to kill anything but still

karmic coyote
#

i honestly like jolted the most because of its animation, lightning running through enemies

native cipher
#

jolted's got some beefy damage on it and triggers privileged status
which is more i can say about some god powers that only do that latter

hybrid frost
#

Broken Shackle keepsake does increase trap dmg taken by enemies, so it should increase lava dmg to them.

#

Haven't tested yet though.

azure bone
#

How on earth does rupture scale its base damage

#

cause I was just looking it up and it does way more damage than poison

#

I knew it dealt decent damage but not that high of an amount

prisma zephyr
#

uh it just ticks faster than poison but doesn't stack

azure bone
#

Doesn't stack, but its still a higher base and ticks almost 3x faster

native cipher
#

poison deals more damage than rupture overall

prisma zephyr
#

rupture requires the enemy to move

azure bone
#

17 damage a tick 0.2 seconds, and I guess thats fair but what enemies don't move?

prisma zephyr
#

when you hit something and they get stunlocked

azure bone
#

Not with poseidon

#

They move from knockbacks then :P

prisma zephyr
#

well yeah

azure bone
#

I wanna try a high heat poseidon run again. But I hate the hydra

native cipher
#

take the acorn in asphodel

azure bone
#

Its the lava that kills me

#

And/or I get 100% heads that shoot shadow waves the one time I don't get deflect dash

native cipher
#

its really a team effort between the lava and the heads

twilit prairie
#

Does spearpoint work on traps/lava?

native cipher
#

makes you immune, but doesnt trigger on them

#

so if you get hit by something then step on lava, you wont take damage
but if you step on lava it won't make you invuln

karmic coyote
#

I like the idea of rupture deals damage based on travel distance, works great with knockback and helps with boss like asterius

twilit prairie
#

Oof that kinda sucks. Idk why you’d really use that keepsake other than to not get gimped by supersonic chariots or something

native cipher
#

imho most of the status curses fall off like a brick damage-wise. artemis is the only god that really scales.

azure bone
#

Would sea storm trigger splitting bolt?

atomic panther
#

Yes

pure junco
karmic coyote
#

What does Artemis curse call again, but yeah that effect is pretty neat

mild crag
#

artemis curse is marked

native cipher
#

artemis' curse is marked which increases crit chance against the enemy

split fiber
#

if anything, I was hoping that curse would increase death defiance capacity

karmic coyote
#

I feel like Marked is rarer than the other curses?

native cipher
#

it is

twilit prairie
#

Is there a buildup to the chaos legendary or is it random

native cipher
#

but you dont take artemis for the curse

#

you take her because she gives innate crit chance

#

also cast modifiers

#

you can actually one-shot basically anything with a well rolled artemis cast and hera aspect

turbid needle
#

Poseidon does Casts better.

#

I would argue that artemis's curse is a good compliment to any build because the mark allows any of your damage to crit

native cipher
#

artemis cast + exit wounds + hera aspect = pogchamp

karmic coyote
#

I still need to do that run but with Poseidon sword instead

native cipher
#

both are valid

#

i prefer hera bow because i hate myself and also find the bow's playstyle inherintly fun

karmic coyote
#

Bow is also my 1st favorite weapon

turbid needle
#

if there was a poll between hera or chiron bow, what would the split look like?

karmic coyote
#

Both Chiron and Hera are great but i like Chiron a bit more

turbid needle
#

Probably significantly towards Hera.

native cipher
#

the issue is bow damage is low

#

like really really low

turbid needle
#

bow is my favorite weapon but I use chiron

native cipher
#

its also slow, low aoe, and vulnerable

#

so making its damage scale off of something other than its attack damage goes a long way to making it high heat viable

turbid needle
#

That's why you run Zagreus Aspect and run Artemis.

native cipher
#

once its base damage gets buffed zag and chiron aspect should become more viable

turbid needle
#

My bow is currently my highest heat weapon but also one of the weapons I find I struggle with the most

native cipher
#

im in the same boat

turbid needle
#

Yeah, bow is fine.

native cipher
#

i find it fun, i love playing it, it's just undertuned right now

#

too much risk, not enough payoff

turbid needle
#

It's not.

pure junco
#

Shield is a free win amirite.

turbid needle
#

I feel like it's fine too but sometimes I find that it's high risk meh reward

#

None of the weapons except maybe the spear are undertuned.

#

But the spear itself is probabaly fine.

#

I think chaos aspect shield is quite a bit overpowered but I also don't want it to get nerfed

#

I like spear but I find that I go with a special based build most of the time for it to feel fun

native cipher
#

i like spear when i get bonus dashes

#

because spear's dash attack is probably the best in the game

#

and being able to spam it is really fun

#

honestly, with bonus dashes playing spear turns into playing kalista for me
and kalista is a very fun thing to play

pure junco
#

Does "replenish 1 use" of death defiance not give it to you if you have not used one? I would assume so, as it says replenish.

native cipher
#

it does not give you additional uses

turbid needle
#

there is a limit of 3

#

well

native cipher
#

actually there isn't

pure junco
#

You can def get higher.

turbid needle
#

I thought they changed it so you have a limit depending on your mirror

native cipher
#

if it says it gives you an additional use, then it increases your maximum uses
if it says it repleneshes a use, then it does just that and has no effect if you're already full

turbid needle
#

what gives additional uses?

pure junco
#

Chaos

native cipher
#

to my knowledge, only the mirror and the legendary chaos buff

pure junco
#

I posted it.

native cipher
#

i tend to skip it when it comes up tho

#

3 uses is more than enough for me

hybrid frost
#

And 1 keepsake.

turbid needle
#

ah

mild crag
#

tooth gives a pseudo DD

turbid needle
#

Not even pseudo, it's 150 HP.

#

if I took tooth and switched the keepsake without using it do I keep the DD?

mild crag
#

pseudo since it isnt a DD at all

hybrid frost
#

Only take it for Final Boss if at all.

#

No.

native cipher
#

or if you're early in the game and dont have dd from the mirror

hybrid frost
#

^

last nacelle
#

So aside from the tooth and the spearpoint, are there any other keepsakes that people save for styx?

hybrid frost
#

So long since I've been "early in the game".....

native cipher
#

it was my most used trinket until i got dd

#

after which i barely touch it

turbid needle
#

what keepsake do you guys tend to use for hades/styx?

native cipher
#

spearhead

hybrid frost
#

Other Styx trinkets? Uhhhmmm, not realy.

native cipher
#

acorn's good for the hades fight

hybrid frost
#

Depending on build/heat lvls, Spearpoint or Tooth pretty much.

native cipher
#

butterfly/plume if you're doing a butterfly/plume run

hybrid frost
#

I used Acorn when it was first added. Got a lot of wins that way.

turbid needle
#

does butterfly/plume apply to each sewer room?

native cipher
#

a good way of looking at it is via the minumum damage a boss can deal with an attack multiplied by the amount of attacks it can block.
hades deals a minimum of 40 damage.
you can block 5 attacks.
So that's 200 effective hp

hybrid frost
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I don't like butterfly/plume because you have to commit to them and there are many other ways to get what they give and having them stack with those other ways is not worth the trade off to me.

twilit prairie
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Didnt plume get nerfed? Seems kinda poopy now. Butterfly im ok with if its not high heat

mild crag
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butterfly and plume both did

twilit prairie
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F

mild crag
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2.5 to 2 most recently for butterfly

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which is why i stopped using it

hybrid frost
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Ahh, balance is a fine tuned thing is it not?

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Nerf
Boost
Nerf
Boost

mild crag
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it was fine at 2.5

hybrid frost
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"It's too strong!"
"It's too weak!"

turbid needle
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I think plume/butterfly would be fine if they increased them but put a cap on how much benefit you can get from them so you don't have to commit or have them be overpowered

twilit prairie
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imagine sacrificing a keepsake to build plume stacks when u could just pick up a hermes boon and get greater reflex

hybrid frost
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@turbid needle That's a good idea!

karmic coyote
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with 2% you can still rank up to 30% damage increase or more most of the time, it is not good enough?

mild crag
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no

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if i want 30%

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i take god keepsakes the first two areas

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then switch to distant memory

twilit prairie
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TRUE

pure junco
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Woohoo! I beat the game! No lives lost, at that.

native cipher
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congrats

pure junco
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It was super cheesy haha, insane crit build with Chaos Aspect.

hybrid frost
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Best plume run I had it was stacked with Evasion and I had a 50% dodge chance.

native cipher
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my first kill on him was fully loaded + lightning rod and just kiting him while my shards did all the work

pure junco
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I like the "Is There No Escape" scene at the end.

hybrid frost
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It was fun, but as I said I don't use it anymore.

pure junco
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The mix ups

twilit prairie
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Lightning rod lowkey pretty good for the heroes fight

hybrid frost
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Indeed.

mild crag
karmic coyote
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how quick you need to clear the room with plume

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legendary

hybrid frost
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What's your sorce of weak?

mild crag
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@karmic coyote different based on which kind of room it is

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attack

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on hestia rail

twilit prairie
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legendary

native cipher
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yeah legendary

mild crag
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gud call i think

hybrid frost
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If your source of weak is revenge dmg, it might not trigger that much.

karmic coyote
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maybe a normal room, or a boss room

native cipher
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UNLESS

hybrid frost
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Vengeful Mood?

native cipher
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you have the zeus/ares duo boon and the bonus duration on weak

hybrid frost
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Called it!

native cipher
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those two in combination gives 100% uptime on weak

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otherwise you have a 1-2 second downtime between vengeful mood procs

quick igloo
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So I'm sitting at like 10,000 darkness

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what else can it be used for....

native cipher
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looking shiny in your inventory

quick igloo
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nice

hybrid frost
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Have you bought all Fated Authority yet?

shadesmile

native cipher
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ngl i havent even got my first

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whats the cap on that?

hybrid frost
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10

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I have 8 and it's going to be a slog for the last 2.

native cipher
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ngl i hardly ever use fated authorities

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blue rooms are all pretty interchangable and there's basically no such thing as a gold room you're upset to see

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except shops

mild crag
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pom kekw

native cipher
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but you cant reroll those

karmic coyote
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fated authorities is for switching every darkness room

hybrid frost
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Once you don't want it anymore.

twilit prairie
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Mandatory shops 🤢

hybrid frost
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Yeah....

pure junco
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Is the musician's bail or whatever offered only if you have spent enough gems?

karmic coyote
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i'm good with 3 fated authorities for now

hybrid frost
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Only use shops when I'm on high heat and Tarturus has refused to give more than 2 God boons.

twilit prairie
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I think its random @pure junco My friend got it on his 5th run... meanwhile it took me like 20 runs to see it

hybrid frost
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I want to say, that I think Charon's Hourglass is hidden gem for high heat runs.

twilit prairie
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Those runs where you leave tartarus with 1 boon and a chaos curse are so depressing

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Hourglass is strong af in the middle biomes

karmic coyote
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my ears want to explode everytime i pick chaos boon

hybrid frost
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For heat runs, I'm now taking Coin Purse > Hourglass > Hourglass > Spearpoint/Tooth

twilit prairie
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I literally never used spearpoint...i should probably do that in case i get the black rat room or the evil sawblade room where poison is really dangerous in higher heat runs

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Ive been going tooth and acorn for styx

hybrid frost
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I hate that end-of-tunnel-sawblade room...

twilit prairie
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YES

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its terrifying

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U know they were trolling when they put that in

hybrid frost
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You need to cure your poison?
Well, it's right between the DEATH BLADES!

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Unless you have Athena dash of course.

twilit prairie
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Honestly i think the black rat room is worse if you’re low on dmg

topaz jay
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Just beat my first run!!!!!

twilit prairie
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There may be literally like 1 place to stand lol

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Congrats

hybrid frost
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🎊

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🥳

topaz jay
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Blackout, relative speed, supporting fire

hybrid frost
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Weapon?

topaz jay
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Shield

hybrid frost
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Cool.

topaz jay
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(Boomerang)

hybrid frost
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Aspect?

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(don't know what boomerang stands for sry)

karmic coyote
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probably Chaos or Zag if it's boomerang

turbid needle
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One does not simply use shield without chaos

onyx condor
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you use chaos aspect?

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i always just use zag aspect for that 15%

karmic coyote
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Chaos is the best one

hybrid frost
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Uhh, I'm a filthy Zeus user here.

twilit prairie
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Zeus OMEGALUL

karmic coyote
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Zeus users are ascended people, i can't make it work

turbid needle
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^

grand smelt
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Bit late but you can totally reroll Poms, you only can't reroll shops

hybrid frost
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Actually it's worse than that...

I don't even own the other 2.

twilit prairie
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Legends say zeus himself slayed the titans by tickling them to death with his shield

onyx condor
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zeus one seems like it COULD be good but the problem with it is you cant choose where it stops

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it stops after like 40 units or so

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so aiming it is hard

turbid needle
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same problem with ares cast I suppose

hybrid frost
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It is a problem, but I've learned to live with it.

pure junco
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I played 14 hours today 😳

last nacelle
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Keep in mind that zeus has all of the zeus boons.

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Lightning Flourish, Double Bolt, Jolted, and the legendary boon all applying to the shield.

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That's some mad damage.

turbid needle
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I'll have to try that, sounds fun

last nacelle
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So it was probably pretty good when he used it.

karmic coyote
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true but with Artemis+Ares duo boon it becomes the best cast in the game

turbid needle
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Would ares cast be op if it stopped and hovered on the target?

onyx condor
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ive never got their duo

hybrid frost
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30 successful shield runs and up to 13 heat so far using only Zeus.

onyx condor
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ive been considering swapoping to zeus aspect

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because 15% is nice and all

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but like

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you dont want to get hit anyways

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so

turbid needle
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@turbid needle That's basically Hunting Blades.

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you shouldn't need it since shield is a really safe weapon

twilit prairie
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I mean the homing thing on ares cast is disgusting with the dmg increase per hit. I killed hades in like 15 sec with that build

hybrid frost
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Biggest issue is really needing to multi-task.

onyx condor
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I dont like multitasking so i go an on hit shield build and only use my q when i need to reapply a poison or something for the 2 status buff

hybrid frost
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Keeping track of your shield and remembering to cast it or recall it on top of everything else is...difficult.

atomic panther
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Zeus Aspect is great because it makes your shield throw a base 30 instead of base 15

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So it stacks buffs a lot better

karmic coyote
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an old screenshot of mine, Hunting blades melt bosses

topaz jay
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i hadnt unlocked "Aspects" yet

turbid needle
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I gotta try that

onyx condor
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I won a hades fight where i had no additional lives left bc i had ares call and legendary

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so i would kite and hit with my rail

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and when i had ult just ult

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and let ares kill him for me

twilit prairie
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Yep that bladerift build is my fastest hades kill still

onyx condor
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oop

karmic coyote
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and that's with Hera bow btw

twilit prairie
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I killed him with that before aspects

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I think i had artimes legendary

hybrid frost
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Love Areas cast with Hera.

onyx condor
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how does that even work

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does it spawn them

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on top of them

twilit prairie
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Yes

onyx condor
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i have never used hera bow in actual combat

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i norm use zag for the crit chance

turbid needle
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I never used Hunting blades with it but when I used hera with Ares cast it would hit the target once and then float past them

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but I need to try that with hunting blades

hybrid frost
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It special deliveries them right to your enemy's face!

twilit prairie
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Thing is u have to go all out on the cast build for it to be broken

hybrid frost
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Too true.

onyx condor
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i tried a cast build and it just like

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idk

twilit prairie
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iirc i had artimes legendary and hermes auto cast recall legendary too

onyx condor
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castng my aphrodite stuff without recall

twilit prairie
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lucky in styx

onyx condor
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without recall stuff it seems weak

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id rather just hit than try to juggle picking up my casts

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chasing down casts puts you in danger

twilit prairie
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Well thats why u max out hera now and abuse the drop time

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But its kinda a weird playstyle

karmic coyote
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Hunting Blade>Scintillating feast>Aphrodite cast>Artemis cast>Athena cast is my preference list for Hera bow

twilit prairie
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Athena cast is sick with hera

hybrid frost
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Well, outside of bosses, the idea with Hera is too 1-shot so drop time isn't much of a factor.

twilit prairie
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But idk none are really bad imo

karmic coyote
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yeah i heard Athena cast deals more damage in heroic or maybe epic rarity but i haven't tried it much

hybrid frost
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I really like Poseidon's cast too.

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For normal cast, not as much on Hera.

twilit prairie
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Yea its ok

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I dont think theres a bad cast in the game tbh

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Im not a fan of festive fog tho

karmic coyote
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i should pick Zag "favorite" uncle more, poor him

hybrid frost
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With Poseid sword aspect and a Chaos cast dmg boon, Poseidon cast wrecks Stx.

twilit prairie
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I love poseidon attack or dash on shield just for the absurd knockback

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Also the watery blast in the area boon is really funny in styx

karmic coyote
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Poseidon legendary is hilarious

hybrid frost
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Yep. Yep.

karmic coyote
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i'm gonna try poseidon sword now

last nacelle
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Styx is just a bonus level where you flex by seeing how quickly you can kill the HP-overinflated elites.

twilit prairie
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Poseidon sword is a bad trip for me in elysium

hybrid frost
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Also, if your running Hourglass keepsake in Elysium and grab a bunch of cast dmg boosters on your way to Styx you get bonus points.

twilit prairie
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Yep

karmic coyote
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how so, because of shield dudes?

twilit prairie
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Just a lot of armored annoying boys and traps everywhere. Also cats

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Lots of cats

onyx condor
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i lovehate styx

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not bc its hard

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but the traps

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are everywhere

twilit prairie
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Its punishing tho

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100 dmg from a trap hit

onyx condor
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i run the trap dmg up heat one bc its one of the easist

twilit prairie
onyx condor
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and then styx

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all of a sudden

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whoops your run over

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you got axed

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death defied

twilit prairie
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Yep

onyx condor
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now you're half hp with less lives going into the final battle

hybrid frost
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No oops in Styx with HS heat on!

twilit prairie
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Wait does it increase the dmg of the poison vents?

hybrid frost
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Yeah...

twilit prairie
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Ooooof

hybrid frost
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Sadly

twilit prairie
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And thats why i dont like running blade anymore

karmic coyote
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i never pick hs just because of the green jars in Hades fight

grim adder
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man, sometimes Elysium kicks my arse. one room, I went from 220 hp to having used 2 DDs :/

hybrid frost
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Thanatos room? Probably.

onyx condor
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i HATE blade

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clunkiest weapon imo

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it has its uses

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its not horrible

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but it just feels worse