radiant basin
it was very safe gameplay
#h1-builds-and-combat
granite vine
explosive crit spears = best spears
woeful stirrup
Went in a run hoping for Ares/Zeus duo boon, ended up with Tipsy Shot at level 8, Zeus attack, Artemis call (which I purged) and Zeus/Artemis duo boon. It was fun, although that meant only my cast was doing actual damage (I did have two 60% cast damage Chaos boons and a +1 cast Chaos boon, as well as a few money Chaos boons).
icy garnet
I've seen a lot of posts about sword feeling weak in feedback, but as a sword main, I don't feel that one bit. It has some very nice fluidity of movement and a lot of cool builds you can run. My general favorite strategy with sword boils down to using dash attacks and special(Nemesis aspect works best) in succession, which requires some good timings to consistently hit those dash attacks, but otherwise is quite simple. If you manage to get daedalus hammer for dash attacks and Artemis dash, it becomes a sure ticket to the surface. And of course boons for attack, and any attack or dash attack boons from Chaos make it even more dangerous. Another daedalus which is generally helpful is + damage against armor. Hermes' boon which adds more dashes is an ultimate cherry on top. Since you want Artemis dash, taking her trinket will probably open a lot of her boons for critical effects, which stack greatly with Nemesis aspect. I tested that build many many times and it works great up to 15 heat(that's as far as i got with bounties for now). Maybe some sword mains can recommend me other builds they run, or if they do similar stuff.
pure junco
I agree, sword is great, not weak.
azure bone
Sword is good, just suffers if you get unlucky on defensive boons since its high risk
azure bone
60 percent slower projectiles and deflect on dash is a godsend combo
granite vine
I take Divine Dash over any other boon every single time. Literally the best in the whole game
azure bone
I literally grab athenas item in act 2 if I dont have it yet in hopes I do. It makes so many fights easiee
remote socket
hello all; is there some information conveyed by laurel color for the next rooms reward?
remote socket
Ah I see; I foolishly was trying to figure out if it had something to do with an upcoming fountain chamber 
unkempt pagoda
petition to rename divine dash its old name, titan toppler:
woeful stirrup
Wasn't there also a thing with boons being in two different pools, or is that no longer the case?
icy garnet
athena dash is honestly too easy for my taste hehe
it works well with any build and weapon
it's just amazing
stray frigate
dreamy totem
Hello underworld fellas
I had 2 questions in mind and I didn't find any answer on the interweb soo
- is it normal that I can't use the "summon" when battling Hades?
- Where can I access the HELL MODE?
Thanks
dreamy totem
- Damn. Not like I have problem with Hades but I wanted to be fancy hahaha
dense chasm
Are the runs seeded? Would be neat to try out some runs other people have had, or redo own run with differing choices
dreamy totem
- Does it start new save, gznm?
stray frigate
y
woeful stirrup
You can't use the Than and Meg summons against Hades, because they work for him. Can't really beat up the boss.
dreamy totem
I see I see. Logically makes sense yeah
stray frigate
@woeful stirrup didnt know that. Sry for that@dreamy totem
can u use Tomatos vs Meg?
dreamy totem
Sorry for what, pal? :X
woeful stirrup
In the same way, you can't use the Meg summon during the Meg fight (no idea if it works during an Alecto fight or Tisiphone fight, didn't think to try that)
stray frigate
for wrong info
stray frigate
dont forget to tell me result
dreamy totem
alright hehe
thorny edge
is there dialogue if you try?
stray frigate
well i tried Tomatos or Meg(cant remeber which one) and nothing happened
i wonder what dialogue could be with Tomatos vs Meg or Meg vs her sis(if it's possible)
stray frigate
and heat?
stray frigate
summons?
solid cairn
jury summons
stray frigate
what...
solid cairn
more enemies
wicked quail
how far did you get in the run?
solid cairn
right up to hades
wicked quail
1st/2nd phase?
stray frigate
dash attack like mad
wicked quail
special crit works if you have some speed on the special time (either from hermes or titan blood)
wicked quail
the special has a pretty heafty time frame (relatively speaking) if you dont have those
stray frigate
but boring i guess
wicked quail
my recommendation with spear, regardless of build, is to learn the positioning such that you barely tip enemies with your attacks
theyre highly spamable, and getting to maximum reach gives you maximum react time
Essentially, find/keep a sweetspot distance between you and your enemies
stray frigate
@wicked quail btw about spear
i have intresting thing
do u know trinket for 30% dmg distance attack?
stray frigate
if u stay far enough - u AA still make basic damage
but Q damage grows
also there is spot where ur Q make usual dmg when goes forward
and improved dmg when back
wicked quail
thats true, and if you get a lot of distance based boons/run that trinket, that could work.
I personally think that you also need to have some sort of time reduction on the throw as well
I'm just not a fan of how long it takes
stray frigate
anyway it's almost useless 4 me tbh
i prefer other trinkets. dmg is not problem 4 me
mb things are different on big heat runs
idk
wicked quail
i mean, its like dps vs longevity, so personal taste
urban void
are there certain conditions to finding eurydice or is it just random
stray frigate
random as usual
dreamy totem
Dash attacks are the key of winning with sword or spear
fringe field
am I missing some secret grinding technique but aren't gemstones incredibly long to obtain ?
fringe field
yes to the secret grinding technique ? 👀
dreamy totem
Yes to it takes long hahaba
Your best shot is to get the item that makes you change the next room reward and reroll your luck in every run
As well as trading for other items from the shop of course, but ya, pretty much what you know already
fringe field
hmm I have not unlocked any of the items on the "bottom chest"
I think that's what ambrosia is for, though I have not used them still
dreamy totem
Ya they're "summons". You'll get them when you gift people enough
I won't spoil which thou so you go experiment
But ya that's what ambrosia is for
fringe field
well I give nectar to basically anybody that comes by
dreamy totem
Yaa keep it then
fringe field
Ironically I need those gemstones to have better chests so it takes a very long time
stray frigate
y
dreamy totem
Yeaaahh lol it's a cycle
Also you can waste them by keep changing the curtains colour
yes I'm looking at you devs lol
woeful stirrup
It's worth spending 70 gems to change the draperies in one sitting just to hear Hades say "stop changing the blasted draperies".
solid cairn
ok I give up with the spear for the moment. for some reason I just can't win with it
wicked quail
@woeful stirrup thats a thing? thats beautiful
(the hades comment i mean)
@pure junco bait out or try to get around to their back and combo them
pure junco
OK yea, I was wondering if any moves would hit them, even my special doesn't.
wicked quail
maybe (i dont remember right now) you can get the knockback on the special to knock them against the wall and get wall damage, but its not a lot
dreamy totem
Rocket, just dash in front of them to go behind then use Q, or attack fast..repeat
They're the worst in the third map but ya
pure junco
What's best aspect for shield? Or should I use my titan blood somewhere else?
I have an aspect for spear and bow, prob not gonna get one for the rail because I hate it.
dreamy totem
I find the basic shield suits me tbh. The other two I didn't find them much helpful..
The second rail is op thou, way too op
solid cairn
no
pure junco
Seems boring
solid cairn
most people would say third rail is better
dreamy totem
I mean it depends on your play style but I have aspects of all weapons and it was easier for me to clear with second
pure junco
I am just going to stay away from rail, looks boring to me.
dreamy totem
rail in general is way too op because fast bullets. It works well with arrow boon that lets you fire a directed arrow if you use attack or special
solid cairn
hestia is insanely good if you focus on reload damage
pure junco
What's best Spear aspect? Achilles?
dreamy totem
12 ammo in 3-4 seconds + 12 automatic arrows = insane dmg
solid cairn
I personally go with zag spear
hestia is the real op thing
you get that at max and Artemis dash and you're hitting 300 damage per dash attack
not to mention, you can still have another attack boon
pure junco
I just feel like spear is weak, I can never get my spin off.
solid cairn
you don't spin
solid cairn
spin isn't the special
solid cairn
the spear throw is the good part
dreamy totem
exactly
pure junco
Mhm
solid cairn
eh
pure junco
What's the boon you want the most with it?
solid cairn
you want special speed
pure junco
Yea
solid cairn
it's a preference thing
pure junco
The range is so large the end of the range meter is off my screen haha.
pure junco
I feel like I underrate armor damage a lot.
I also feel like I overrate Chaos gates.
I once took it over a Daedalus.
pure junco
I assume you pick Vicious over Multi Skewer?
dreamy totem
I never took armor with spear :c
floral sedge
Man I didn't realize the shotgun upgrade for the rail made certain things stack like Dionysus' poison
Melted the Hydra
pure junco
I took vicious and everything died.
solid cairn
I need to be more patient for spear
stray frigate
@solid cairn spear is close to sword
pure junco
Sit back and spam q is working for me so far.
stray frigate
if u play around AA
pure junco
Backstab crit on the call back oml
turbid needle
Quick Spin is the secret to top tier spear builds.
solid cairn
only with achilles
stray frigate
Quick spin is for Hades i guess
solid cairn
spin to win builds are fun
turbid needle
Well, it shreds with any Aspect, but yes, it works best with Achilles.
stray frigate
i thought Achilles better with cast
solid cairn
I think zag makes spear's best move better so I use it
stray frigate
@solid cairn u can charge ur spin and dash to release spin damage in other direction
solid cairn
I know
stray frigate
good for Hades aspect
solid cairn
my technique
I get weak on attack
and when a bunch of enemies just spawn around me
stray frigate
also max Hades with bloodstone will make enemies get +200% damage
solid cairn
I hit all of them and apply weak
stray frigate
it's 100% crit for a moment
solid cairn
sounds like a meme build
stray frigate
but it works only for AA and Q
so it's like
U make Spin
and spam attack dash attack like mad
and make some damage
Massive spin and some good AA upgrade may be good
Flurry jab or extending jab mb
turbid needle
Flurry Jab disables your spin.
urban void
is there any way to view your total wins and times etc like the win screen when you're at the house of hades
stray frigate
or u can still play with special
urban void
rather than at the end
turbid needle
It's not that detailed, but you can get the little mirror pool and it will tell you number of runs and enemies killed.
stray frigate
u can see how many times u won with any weapon
urban void
ah cool that's what i needed
urban void
the time of your run seems pretty arbitrary when there's the rng aspect of getting the satyr bag
@stray frigate the pool does only tell you total runs
turbid needle
Pool gives me Escapes Attempted and Foes Slain.
urban void
yeah it's not runs you've won
turbid needle
Checking weapon aspects gives you successful escapes and fastest time.
stray frigate
@urban void yes and i say it has to be improved that way
@turbid needle and max heat
heavy bough
can you refund titan blood like the mirror upgrades? only got 5 of em im kinda unsure where to start spending
stray frigate
@heavy bough did u finish the game already?
turbid needle
If you start a run and at any point "Give Up" it will return you to the last time you entered the courtyard.
heavy bough
nah i only beat phase 1 before dying but upgrades unlocked then for me
turbid needle
Do not walk out of the courtyard if you do not want to set the Titan Blood in stone.
stray frigate
@heavy bough u will get more blood later
after u win
but there is no way u can get blood back
heavy bough
oh yeah i know with heat i can grind it out but since itll be a while i wanted to know if spending titan blood is a hard commit
stray frigate
at least for now
heavy bough
alright sounds good thanks
@turbid needle so what you mean is i can spend blood, do my run and if im unhappy i can give up and refresh just before i spent em?
turbid needle
Yup.
stray frigate
yes
dire cedar
@heavy bough You can also do a low heat run and just hoard money. You don't need to beat Hades btu just reach Styx. Charon's final shop alternates between blood and diamonds (based on what you bought).
turbid needle
Again, do not walk back to your room after spending Titan Blood unless you're sure you like where it is, that will save it.
heavy bough
alright cool kinda like a jank try out but that works for me
dont i have to beat hades (once) to unlock the heat options tho?
heavy bough
oh that okok
dire cedar
if you buy a blood next time will be a diamond
heavy bough
just keeps alternating or its one time for each?
dire cedar
alternates. but i've done it only liek 3 times
heavy bough
alright cool, thanks for the help guys
split sedge
Hi, have a question about money in the pillars of Asphodel, is it completely random ? In some rooms i cannot have any gold, whereas in others, all the pillars drop coins. It's often 2 or 3 pillars which drop. Any infos ?
stray frigate
@split sedge some guy said me u can earn money only while fight
dire cedar
that aligns with my observations
dreamy totem
2 seconds away from best time ugh
stray frigate
but i had money from columns in Euro area
pure junco
I think this is the 2nd dumbest run I have had, 120% special speed and range, 12% faster special, dash deflects, Festive Fog cast (140 dmg), 152% special damage, 50% special damage, 50% crit chance on recovery.
dreamy totem
lol
pure junco
You don't want to hear my 1st.
dreamy totem
Impress me
pure junco
It's not actually that impressive, but it was fun, I could hit 979 crits.
dreamy totem
oh boy, hades must've been piece of cake
pure junco
I died
dreamy totem
that's sword or bow
pure junco
Not to Hades
dreamy totem
lol?
pure junco
You're kinda toxic ngl
dreamy totem
me? why? O.o
turbid needle
Guys.
dreamy totem
I'm wondering why would you die with that much crit. I'm not making fun or anything :x
stray frigate
@dreamy totem sometimes dmg is not the thing
pure junco
^
stray frigate
in late u want sustain
dreamy totem
I see. Anyway, chill, bud. Sorry if I seemed sarcastic but I was really not
Yeah of course, well, I thought he did sustain, that's why. My bad
pure junco
You're all good.
dreamy totem
Investing in crit dmg is risky but oh boy it's rewarding if you're lucky
pure junco
Oops, ignore that.
I had bow, explosive shot (300% dmg), perfect shot (like 100% more dmg on fully charged shot or something), I could load my cast into the bow, I had 6 max casts, each cast had 15% chance to crit, blah blah blah stupid good.
pure junco
My primary shot had like 15% chance to crit as well.
dreamy totem
I see
pure junco
So I guess I did have pretty good crit chance.
dreamy totem
gznm crit chance is luck hehe. I meant it that way. Of course entire build is purely skill thou yes
pure junco
It's so satisfying to load 6 casts into your bow.
dreamy totem
I see.. I often use builds like this around chiron bow or rail, since you have a lot of arrows/bullets which means eventually you'll get crit often compared to one hit per time weapons like sword or spear, but again it depends
pure junco
I hit the 979 crit only once or twice, sadly.
dreamy totem
ya that's what I mean by misfortune. Good build but just bad luck with crit chances
heavy bough
huh oops before i can my run to reset blood, is it bad to mix nemesis and poseidon aspect togheter? one encourages attack after special, but my special will pull out the casts i set
pure junco
What do you mean by mixing aspects?
heavy bough
i unlocked both. am i just dumb and you select only one and i didnt realize it? lol
i thought it was a global buff
stray frigate
@heavy bough u can use any aspect on ur run
heavy bough
so they are both active?
heavy bough
ok thats what i meant lol i thought they were all on at the same time >_> im dumb alright ill refresh my run
stray frigate
in another run u can change ur style and swap aspect
heavy bough
so uh how do i give up the run? i remember seeing it in the menu mid encouter now its just not an option
pure junco
That's odd.
heavy bough
yeah i remember seeing it before so im kinda confused
i cant neither post or during an encouter
somehow i triggered it before picking up the reward so should be good
pure junco
Going to fight Theseus and the Minotaur at full health and 2/2 death's defiance 😄.
turbid needle
I've got six Casts on a Poseidon/Flurry/True Shot build, Epic Support Fire or Pressure Points?
pure junco
I only lost 58 hp.
I love support fire
Pressure points could be huge though.
IMO pressure points.
turbid needle
Yeah, I took PP.
spare cobalt
Just tried a Poseidon/Zeus Chiron aspect bow build, using their duo with Poseidon on the special attack. You don't get a lightning proc per special shot that hits - looks like there's some form of cooldown - but it did get more than one strike per full special flurry. The combo was effective enough to make the rest of the run a cinch, but on low heat, that only means so much.
Getting rupture + jolt on the same attack means constant privileged status uptime.
Alas that this is what it takes to make Poseidon worthwhile on bosses.
pure junco
Should I not do the rest of the passageways (3 left) if I already got the ||satyr sack||?
novel python
I'm tempted to pick the legendary, what do y'all say? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/662769925869273113/unknown.png?width=861&height=485
pure junco
My build is strong enough imo, and all boons are epic or better.
wicked quail
@novel python hahahaha
stray frigate
but u need more charm
novel python
I've only taken the dash because of the +25% bonus damage
pure junco
Charm sucks, except in this case.
wicked quail
charms good mostly for getting enemies to not attack you
novel python
I'm close to theseus fight
pure junco
15% chance for your enemy to not attack you for 4s
novel python
with 1 more dd
pure junco
Seems good to me
wicked quail
charm does some weird things on the thesesus fight
novel python
Ares' doom isn't that wow
pure junco
I would love to see charm on Theseus fight haha
novel python
Please tell me that Asmodeus won't focus theseus while charmed
wicked quail
they move toward the other, but dont attack
novel python
Phew
wicked quail
they just stare lovingly at each other
novel python
Aww
wicked quail
you basically become cupid
novel python
Welp, back to slashing stuff
wicked quail
just gotta ship them
wicked quail
back to @pure junco , i would just go for hades
pure junco
Hunter's Mark (after dealing critical damage to a foe, a nearby one is marked with 55% bonus crit chance)+ Vicious Skewer (50% crit chance on spear throw recovery) = Constant crits.
I am grabbing the only boon offered, it's Athena and guaranteed epic or above.
wicked quail
its kinda a judgement call if you want the health or the itmes
pure junco
I have 280 max hp rn.
turbid needle
Go with Empty Inside.
wicked quail
on bow? 280's pretty good on health
turbid needle
Oh, wow, Discord was way behind. Again.
wicked quail
i disagree with the Empty Inside choice, but I find weak by itself kinda bad
pure junco
It was so worth it.
wicked quail
what'd you get @pure junco
pure junco
Nothing good.
But I only took like 10 dmg so not a massive deal.
Deathless stand (I have no defiance missing), Holy Shield, or Proud Bearing for last fight?
wicked quail
yeah, thats like 60% of what happens in the early styx clear cases
uh
one sec, gotta look those up
pure junco
I can tell you
Holy Shield, when you get hit do 55 dmg and deflect nearby foes
Deathless stand, defiance makes you impervious 3 sec longer and replenishes a use.
Proud Bearing, start each encounter with god gauge 30% full
I'm set to win so either way...
wicked quail
honestly, probably holy shield, even though i dont like on hit effects
wicked quail
youre more likely to get hit than lose defiance, and starting w/ 30% guage is not much on such a long fight
pure junco
Choices: 1. Go through a one skull harder passageway for enough gold to buy a boon. 2. Absolutely clobber ||Hades|| with 2 death defiances and 188/280 hp.
It's not going to be a long fight haha.
wicked quail
id take the hades fight
pure junco
Wish me luck!
wicked quail
glhf
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/662772571619590175/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 first time passing, I've clenched my buttcheeks ahaha
pure junco
Woof, nice job!
pure junco
Wow it's so deceptive when ||Hades|| does his spin.
I can't dodge it haha.
Well, I died.
I took way too much damage from their early spin attacks, then couldn't dodge lasers. Although, I did get them to || 1/4 hp on 2nd phase||.
spark turret
nice job rocket
it beast to bait the spin one way and then dash through or to the sides of it
if you have stacked dashes it becomes really easy
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/662775505711530024/unknown.png?width=718&height=484 what should I work on next?
Privileged status is bonkers
stray frigate
money
money is strong boost imo
i always start with coin trinket
to have good start
spark turret
so what are your thoughts on the chiron bow ?
spark turret
I do
pure junco
@spark turret I had only 2 dashes
spark turret
got the hammer to give me plus 4 on special
up crit chance
@pure junco
its best to try and get at least something to improve dodging in my eyes
stuck bough
Still figuring out the shield, any fun/interesting builds y’all would recommend for it?
pure junco
I didn't have the opportunity, I would have taken it LOL.
I had a GODLY run, but 0 defensive boons.
Except the divine shield one.
spark turret
knock back shield run
stray frigate
@spark turret it's basic
spark turret
what the knockback sheild run
well I had something better
the artemis arrow when you attack boon
stray frigate
basic
stuck bough
So Poseidon and Artemis build?
spark turret
I mean I've done bouncing chaos sheild run
stray frigate
Try Q only Run
abstract pilot
doom attack, athena dash, ares/athena duo
stray frigate
😄
spark turret
I did a q only run
stray frigate
Athena dash can carry ANY run
stuck bough
Using Zagreus aspect?
abstract pilot
any aspect works with that build, it is just bonkers
stuck bough
DR stands for?
thorny edge
damage reduction
abstract pilot
chaos shield is definitely the best aspect (once max level) but you might want to save up your blood for something else
lol, damage reduction + revenge build gogogo
stuck bough
So pretty much being a tank
novel python
How exactly do you get titan's blood and diamonds after you ||get through the bosses with all weps|| ?
turbid needle
Start pumping up Heat.
spark turret
yah heat will reset rewards
novel python
Ah
I've used all the blood on the shield already so I can't upgrade other weapons
Sadly
And I really need more bullets on the railgun to at least try to enjoy it properly
barren plume
Piss off ares or artemis?
turbid needle
What biome?
barren plume
El
limpid tapir
I really, really don't want to piss off Athena or Arty.
Athena grants shields, Arty's circles explicitly hunt you down.
barren plume
Yeah I avoid poseidon in el, athena can get annoying real fast depending on your weapon
pure junco
Just to be clear, is your "Thrust" your third attack in a row with the sword?
abstract pilot
imo, if you're melee, ares is harder to deal with, if you're ranged, artemis is harder to deal with
limpid tapir
The thrust is your third attack in the combo, yeah.
pure junco
Thanks.
limpid tapir
Your dash attack is not a thrust.
pure junco
Then cruel thrust kinda sucks.
limpid tapir
Yep.
The thrust is a huge commitment of time and isn't particularly safe, there's been feedback asking for some kind of improvement.
woeful stirrup
In my last run, I angered Athena in Elysium and there were voidstones among the enemies. Very annoying when they get enough time to protect the others because they get impervious.
barren plume
Down to 28 hp baybe because ares + shields is fun
barren plume
It was 3 shields then shields with chariot
barren plume
I've never actually taken relentless barrage. How does it work?
fringe field
which one is that ?
pure junco
The rail one?
barren plume
The bow special fires 4 times
pure junco
Interesting
stray frigate
@barren plume it add 4 arrows
pure junco
^
stray frigate
not 4 times
pure junco
Pretty doodoo
turbid needle
It's for the bow.
stray frigate
it must have with Chiron
turbid needle
It's super necessary for Chiron.
barren plume
- 4 arrows?????
last nacelle
Bow special is the weirdest special in the game.
stray frigate
@last nacelle it's good with ares
and proc some things like weak or poison on all enemies
barren plume
Sooooo relentless barrage or Piercing barrage....
I have no boon on my special rn because rng is cool....
fringe field
see that as an opportunity to get one with better rarity later on
pure junco
Deadly strike instead of doom on hit?
I might take it just because I made the mistake of taking Cruel Thrust.
tardy chasm
hey what's the foundation of that chaos shield doom build everyone's talking about?
I've maxed chaos aspect and I know it involves Ares special, but what else?
pure junco
I keep trying to do fights quickly, and forgetting that I don't have Lambent Plume equipped so there is no reason for me to go fast. Haha.
stuck bough
@tardy chasm I would like to know as well
slim swallow
Shotgun Knockback Rail
Ez wins
Adamant Rail is the best and most fun weapon and there is nothing you can do to tell me otherwise
woeful stirrup
I can change your mind with two words: fire raccoon
Wait, wrong words. Hera aspect.
pale whale
um, how do i animation cancel with sword? i saw on reddit you spam q and hold attack, but in practice mode that doesn't seem to work?
stoic ginkgo
I used to really like Hera Aspect, but I have fallen in love with Hestia Aspect
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/662788879698493451/unknown.png who am I missing here?
wicked quail
how do you do spoiler tags, ill tell but i wanna hide it by a spoiler
novel python
use ||
pastel jolt
|| <--- put those either side
stray frigate
Tomatos
wicked quail
||Thanatos||
pastel jolt
spoilers are fine in this channel, by the way, otherwise talking about the final boss would be impossible
novel python
Ah, I've actually never seen him, though I did on yt xd
novel python
Do I need to unlock anything for him to appear?
stray frigate
nah
pastel jolt
just keep playing
pure junco
Alright, going into the final fight with 2 defiance and 360 hp.
pure junco
I got super unlucky and didn't get any max cast buffs.
wicked quail
Have you beat the game?
stray frigate
25 run for me iirc
wicked quail
I think thats required
novel python
Ah
thorny edge
i think he starrts having a chance tooo appear at minimum 16 runs
novel python
Is nemesis aspect worth it for the sword?
wicked quail
which one is that?
novel python
Well it does nice damage too
wicked quail
a good hint for the sword special
novel python
But I'd be more pleased if it was actually a leap, moving you forward a bit
wicked quail
if you press special then immediately dash, you can start your special animation, dash halfway into the animation, and finish the animation after the dash
its a great openner
Its this part that makes the sword really powerful for me
novel python
Also, the murder chick feels the easiest from all the furies atm
novel python
Just need to dodge the stun
wicked quail
tisiphone is hardes
novel python
Tisi is like
Dodge stun
Dodge projectiles from dash
Hit her hard
wicked quail
Once you get used to all the fury fights, I think Meg is hardest
At least, she is the only one I consistently take damage against
novel python
I didn't get her yet
novel python
I need more keepsakes dang it
wicked quail
I find Alecto to be the most telegraphed
stray frigate
i have all i need
wicked quail
its easy to tell what she is going to do next
novel python
Ah and skelly
stray frigate
coins egg and spear
pastel jolt
tisi's probably easiest because her room has no traps and no additional summons
wicked quail
once youre used to it, but on first sight, tisi is a pretty unnerving fight
stray frigate
i want to play
novel python
anyone good enough to be worth a nectar in the house?
last nacelle
Her room also has no room.
pure junco
Ah well, got them to 2nd phase, half health, but I can't outrun the lasers and only have 2 dashes.
stray frigate
but when i enter in i remeber all happened and just rq
wicked quail
@pure junco I assume you're talking about hades lasers
pure junco
Yes
stray frigate
@novel python Skelly
last nacelle
Tis, but she gains 1 HP permanently across all runs for each murder you commit.
pure junco
What trinket should I use for a spear special run?
wicked quail
@pure junco There is a rock in the fight room you can hide behind
stray frigate
Hypnos
stoic ginkgo
If you have high damage, Tis is by far the easiest if the three
pure junco
K, thanks Cabin2.
novel python
I have 4 nectars
stray frigate
also u want have all of it to finish prophecy
novel python
Use it on gods or on house ppl?
last nacelle
What is the point of alecto's rage mechanic anyways?
last nacelle
Isn't she just always angry basically.
pure junco
For real, which trinket.
novel python
Wait chaos uses 3 nectar?
last nacelle
Alecto may be easy, but she's the queen of cheeky kills.
wicked quail
@pure junco Its on the right side, it looks like a couple of square blocks. Once you see the laser animation, place yourself so that the blocks are squarely between you and hades, and wait
wicked quail
@pure junco what's the trinket question?
novel python
Zeus Arte or Dio as first keepsake for a sword run?
stray frigate
i always take coins for start
novel python
Same thing
pure junco
And then swap?
stray frigate
2nd and 3rd for egg
wicked quail
Distant Memory is good if you're going for spear special
novel python
I don't have the coins one, which one's that?
pure junco
Epic
wicked quail
at the end
stray frigate
last for broken spear
barren plume
Hermes boons are good tho
pure junco
Hypno
stray frigate
@novel python hypnos
woeful stirrup
Why wouldn't you pick Hermes? Getting the 25% dodge boon is such a run-changer.
wicked quail
@novel python wep room?
novel python
The room in which the weps are placed.
stray frigate
@woeful stirrup also Hermes boon are always usefull
wicked quail
oh weapon
stray frigate
in any run
barren plume
+Something % attack speed / cast speed / special speed can be a run changer too
frail fable
Hey guys I turned up the heat and it said that I can get bounties but then it has been giving me darkness for bosses up till hades
to i need to beat hades to reset it
pastel jolt
you need to fulfil the entire bounty before you can get heat for higher ones
wicked quail
^^^^^^^^^^
pure junco
Where is Orpheus -.-
pastel jolt
frail fable
ya need to get him from the contractor
woeful stirrup
Otherwise it'd be too easy just beating Tartarus at every heat to farm Titan Blood.
frail fable
Thanks for the help!
wicked quail
@pure junco orph, assuming you have seen him, is in the main room to the right of the contractor
pure junco
K, thanks.
wicked quail
to the left of nyx
stray frigate
@woeful stirrup u still can do it
novel python
So can I get out of the weapon room in any way?
pure junco
Where do I meet Orpheus, Elysium?
last nacelle
orpheus is the music guy
wicked quail
happens to the best of us
novel python
Well tbh the crit on sword is nice
stray frigate
poseidon is stronger
woeful stirrup
@stray frigate Not really. If you didn't have to fulfill the bounty, it would be very easy to get the first 50 Titan Bloods. Having to fully fulfill them, you can only get so many without actually beating the game.
wicked quail
yeah, dash is good
novel python
Phalanx is prophecy but I love the dash too
stray frigate
carry all the game
wicked quail
I would go for prophecy, jsut to get it out of the way
but thats just me, dash is really good
stoic ginkgo
Athena dash is busted
stray frigate
cus u dont want to be hitten
woeful stirrup
I tend to go for prophecy even if it's garbage for my build. There's always next run, while you don't know when you'll see it again.
stray frigate
only way - u have ares zeus duo
wicked quail
on hit effects generally arent the best, unless you find some weird bug to consistently proc them w/o taking too much hp
stray frigate
with flurry
stray frigate
sword hammer
novel python
McFlurry
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/662794886373965825/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 I wanna go for the last one but the attack seems good too
stray frigate
2nd
stray frigate
apecial on the sword doesnt make ur game
woeful stirrup
It's the one I'm missing for the prophecy.
novel python
And it's easy to play around
stray frigate
nemesis specail only to proc crit
woeful stirrup
I've seen over 20 Chaos gates this update and have not seen it once.
stray frigate
it's not a big deal
wicked quail
but youre doing it consistantly enough that having a good special is pretty useful
stray frigate
but u still play with attack
woeful stirrup
Plus, it's a big damage special. So that 78% is quite interesting even if you only use it once per enemy.
wicked quail
78% on high damage special or 33% on low aa
10aa?
what are you doing?
more like 6-7aa
wicked quail
fair enough
stray frigate
poseidon is my choice
abstract pilot
are you dealing more than 78/36 = 2.36 times the base attack damage as special damage?
woeful stirrup
Plus, if you're like me, the game will never actually give you a good attack boon, so you'll have to rely on your special.
wicked quail
w/ nemesis special is pretty consistent
woeful stirrup
Unless you wanna go special, in which case you'll never get a good special boon.
urban void
does eurydice's evergreen acorn work against hades
novel python
urban void
SWEET
novel python
I'm not good at this game
urban void
it's only good against bosses
stray frigate
@stray frigate 2
novel python
Is the World splitter any good
urban void
as in it can only be used against bosses
abstract pilot
with nemesis, it makes the attack better, so you would probably want to lean toward attack more
wicked quail
@novel python he's made his choice, now he must live with it
urban void
@stray frigate it says hits take no damage against underworld bosses
urban void
nice
woeful stirrup
I never actually get the build I'm looking for. Tried going for Ares/Zeus duo, didn't get an Ares boon past the first one and got tons of Dio boons. Thought "nevermind, I'll try going for Dio/Zeus duo". Ended up getting Artemis/Zeus duo.
wicked quail
for some weird reason
pure junco
I have Atrophic Eclipse so any darkness I find are worth 122% more haha.
urban void
i was just wondering before i started using it
since it says underworld bosses and hades isn't in the underworld when you fight him
urban void
i still use black shawl til the last keepsake switch
stray frigate
help a lot vs poison
urban void
then tooth but i've only had it activate once so far
abstract pilot
i think spear is just better than acorn in any biome
stray frigate
tooth help u once
wicked quail
tooth if you have little deficance
stray frigate
spear help u always
urban void
yeah i have 3 defiance now and have won 6 times and only needed it once
wicked quail
if you have a decent amount of deficance, spear or acorn
urban void
so i'm probably gonna stop using it
abstract pilot
maaaybe if you have athena revenge, then you don't need spear
urban void
still can't win with bow
wicked quail
yeah, bow is a weird play style
woeful stirrup
I find acorn better than tooth, especially with damage boosts on enemies with heat.
abstract pilot
but, with acorn, i did win a final boss fight without taking any damage at all, so that was nice 🙂
wicked quail
with bow, the average distance is much further away
urban void
yeah i normally don't get hit more than once consecutively against hades so spear doesn't seem that useful
wicked quail
@urban void thats a fair reason
urban void
yeah bow fits my playstyle better than the rest i just can't seem to get powerful enough with it
shield has still been by far the easiest to win with
wicked quail
@urban void are you used to the power shot time?
urban void
yeah
wicked quail
weird, i find shield to be the hardest
urban void
esplodes
wicked quail
@grizzled tusk its hades version of lyour cast
stray frigate
@grizzled tusk same as ur bloodstome
azure bone
50% damage taken
wicked quail
if it catches you
abstract pilot
it's like your cast, it makes you take more damage
wicked quail
if it sits on the ground, it has a timer above its head
azure bone
Like it increases his damage by 50%
wicked quail
on timer, it explodes in a slow ring
grizzled tusk
Gooootcha
urban void
being able to block pretty much all of hades moves and his beams with shield is so good
just bull rushing back and forth and shielding so much
grizzled tusk
I really like how his moves really mirror yours
wicked quail
@urban void yeah, thats just now how I play
urban void
also i've been trying to go for athena bulids and have never got the option to get the athena dash
wicked quail
otherwise, i imagine shield would be pretty good
barren plume
Going into lava land with only artemis aid. Feels good.
grizzled tusk
I wonder if he'll ever match the weapon you use...
wicked quail
@barren plume just git gud
barren plume
i mean
wicked quail
jk, glhf
wicked quail
i didnt mean as offense, i was just joking
barren plume
i know i'm jsut saying
wicked quail
cool
barren plume
i wasn't throwing shade or anything lmfao
you take back what you said you gosh darn goober or i pledge to heck you will never see the light of day do you understand me you troglodyte
last nacelle
Throwing shade is what happens when you have poseiden attack on the shield.
wicked quail
^^^^^^^^^^
novel python
I love when furies kill themselves on the traps
wicked quail
@novel python right, you think they'd know their room better
urban void
i don't know if tisiphone has a brain
novel python
Murrr..der?
wicked quail
@urban void secretly, tisi is the brains of the operatioin
last nacelle
She's just a workaholic.
wicked quail
see, murder is smart
last nacelle
They're all like that.
mild crag
Also when bloodless or bomb guys stand in the lava like
novel python
MURDER!
mild crag
🔥 🤔 🔥
barren plume
I never have my bloodless or bomb guys stand in the fire for more than .05 miliseconds
wicked quail
we should try that
last nacelle
Too bad you can't yeet the megagorgon head.
pure junco
Petition to change Tis' voice lines to: Y'all murderers. She will also randomly say yeehaw mid fight.
barren plume
Whenever they even touch the lava they yeet themselves at mach twenty to the opposite side of the map
wicked quail
@barren plume make them sit while in the middle of their attack animation
urban void
get some poseidon boons and push em into lava
wicked quail
theyll sit for a while
abstract pilot
@pure junco only with extreme measures of course
urban void
watch them burn
pure junco
Mhm
last nacelle
Replace fury screaming with the screaming from Big Enough.
barren plume
That was prob the slowest barge of death i've ever done lmfao
wicked quail
yeah those fights can get long without proper equipment
last nacelle
Zeus's aid and Boiling Point for easiest barge time.
wicked quail
???
barren plume
Does a chest trial
Finishes it
immediately ignores it an swan dives into chaos gate
wicked quail
absolute genius
barren plume
last nacelle
Did you know that you have better luck when rerolling rooms if you reroll them in the middle of a chest battle?
This is a lie.
wicked quail
spare cobalt
Middle management death barge needs some serious attention.
stuck bough
@abstract pilot https://gyazo.com/436072b9ccfaee11df59386cb0823dea yup pretty fun
spare cobalt
Wrong build, and it's harder than any of the boss fights. Pure screen-filled chaos.
barren plume
doom shield attack
tardy chasm
holy crap, doom shield really is something
urban void
damn so many bow wins
barren plume
interesting
charred solar
Doom shield?
barren plume
OH BOLL
charred solar
On what, the attack for Bull Rush?
barren plume
On just normal attack for the shield
Also I have to decide daedulus hammer or a much needed artemis vs athena room
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/662805858798927872/unknown.png?width=656&height=485 Should I switch things around or is it good as it is
barren plume
Deep pockets is nicer than one would expect
But that's just a matter of getting the keys for it
novel python
How good is achille's aspect on varatha?
unkempt pagoda
if you like mobility, i've heard it's great
plus dash attacks have a wide range on spear, so you're moving around quite a bit
novel python
To be hones I can say that experience with gungeon and isaac helped me a lot in understanding Hades.
turbid needle
For me, personally, I think the most valuable/important skills in the mirror are these and these only :
- Death Defiance - because, obviously.
- Thick Skin.
- God's Pride
- Fated Authority
- Greater Reflex
- Privileged Status - and that is a maybe, depends.
Anything else either needs a bit more of upgrade/rework or just a personal preference for someone if they don't mind, but I think the cost for what they give is too much, I got most of them already and keep upgrading, but that's what I've noticed so far.
thorny edge
one of my first wins i had ares attack and aphro cast, made getting privileged status up super easy
barren plume
It's really easy to get darkness for upgrades tho if you take a hungering weapon on a 0 heat run if you've already completed runs with the weapons
So I think the cost in darkness is fine
I just got 600 darkness from one run with little dark rooms or chests
spare cobalt
Double Chaos darkness boost can get hilarious.
barren plume
^^^^
spare cobalt
Get lucky with troves, and you're well into the thousands.
mild crag
stuck bough
doing burst dmg with attack and then more with 3 rockets is delicious
was doing at least 1k with the rockets
@spare cobalt so what is the correct build? the one I used worked pretty well
doom was triggering pretty quickly
azure bone
I love hestia aspect builds
POseidan on the primary fire is prob my personal favorite because it adds stagger. but the explosive shots from the hammer do that too
spare cobalt
For Hestia aspect? There's a certain Hestia fanatic who could probably give a better overview, but I think the major points are Aphrodite on attack and Artemis on dodge.
azure bone
for special, really anything besides poison works. But don't get poseidan if you get the triple shot (first shot will knock out of others).
stuck bough
@spare cobalt for the shield
azure bone
I always go athena on dash with hestia and try to get the '20% crit after a deflect'
dash mid-reload to get the buff, shoot, repeat
only fights that give me trouble are barge (with middle management) if I don't have triple special & extreme hydra x.x
spare cobalt
I mean, there's a lot of builds for shield, given how forgiving it is, but if you mean the 'double chaos darkness boost' thing, I was talking about the risk/reward boons you get from Chaos, not anything to do with the shield.
azure bone
I find best way to grind out darkness
Is to run sword (Super high DPS) and speed run with nyx keepsake
youll get full healed at each boss if you have a chaos boon, and every darkness room will heal you for a ton of HP
spare cobalt
A dead simple OP shield build right now is level 4 or 5 Chaos aspect shield + Dionysus poison on special.
azure bone
If you get to last boss (no heat runs), you can get like 1000+darkness
the sword + nyx keepsake just means you can play disgustingly aggressive and move through rooms fast on zero heat
pure junco
I had like 1000 darkness with only one 122% bonus.
barren plume
I got 800 with nothing but hunger lol
spare cobalt
Zeus aspect is notably weaker, but Zeus boon on special can far more than double the special's DPS. Zag aspect, meanwhile, is just passively good. Real good. 15% damage reduction on top of health boosts, further damage reduction boons, and a survivability trinket can give you more armored beef than Asterius.
gray lintel
zeus aspect also scales very good with titan blood
gray lintel
8 per hit to 30 per hit 
barren plume
It just feels clunky to me
spare cobalt
Epic level Thunder Flourish adds 40 lightning on top of that, and a zone that keeps ticking for 70 damage is nothing to scoff at.
But it's definitely harder to use than the other shields.
gray lintel
clunky definitely buit
might be neat with dionysus too
artemis could work too but crits are to be fair ludicrous and make everything work 
mild crag
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270911855306866689/662821617520476217/unknown.png Heightened Security 
barren plume
_ you ever just decide to stand in that saw blade at temple styx_
gray lintel
not gonna lie, despite you suppsoed to be dodging traps anyway
sure footing is always a yoink from me unless i need another athena perk
spare cobalt
With Zeus aspect shield, you really have to take advantage of the fact that your special can be active and doing damage at the same time as Zag performs other actions. Can be as simple as sitting next to your special and guarding while enemies approach.
last nacelle
Running into traps to trigger all of your revenge counters.
gray lintel
i still wanna do a revenge build
get all the revenge boons then exist next to people while holding down block on the s hield
last nacelle
Oh wait, does that even work? I don't think lava triggers it at least.
mild crag
nah you take vengeful mood
gray lintel
yes, vengeful mood triggers all your revenge effects I think every 3.5 seconds
frozen panther
Budget cut is so not fun
barren plume
Takes 4 encounter 37% increased damage taken curse from chaos not knowing i only had 2 more rooms before boss
already have a 25% increase damage from pact
hydra with ex
_ oof_
last nacelle
Boss rooms should count as a double encounter for the purpose of chaos curses. Getting a boss to half HP increments the counter.
spark turret
I don’t get why heightened security is 800% and Athena can only hit 98%
gray lintel
because 98% less damage taken is 5,000% reduced damage basically :S
unkempt pagoda
because i think it's 98% of the whole thing
gray lintel
at least from what I can tell
unkempt pagoda
if you'd take 100 damage from a trap with heightened security, you'd still only take 2 damage bc of 98% reduction
barren plume
EVERY HEAD IN LAST HEAD STAND IS WAVE HEAD RERERE
unkempt pagoda
(which is why damage reduction boons look small, such as bronze skin giving "only" 15% reduction)
mild crag
OH BLOOD AND DARKNESS WHY DIDNT I USE SKELLY WHEN THE CHARIOTS WERE ACCOSTING ME