h1-builds-and-combat

[mild crag]

Hard labour is one of the more free conditions

Without tight deadline jury summons is free

[solid cairn]

do bosses count as "foes"

[mild crag]

Yes

[turbid needle]

Hard Labour is not free.

[dense token]

hard labour is free if you take weak :)

[solid cairn]

is damage control that bad

[mild crag]

Depends

Also if you're considering heat

Hard labour has like the least impact

Since I imagine you're getting good at dodging anyway

[dense token]

i'd take forced overtime over hard labour any day tbh

[solid cairn]

forced overtime is dumb

[dense token]

it's fun

[solid cairn]

and fun

[mild crag]

Forced overtime is a difficult condition tho

Hard labour isn't

Overtime makes all the other conditions exponentially more difficult

[solid cairn]

so for just grinding low heat titan blood what should I go for besides summons

[mild crag]

Heightened security I reckon

[dense token]

hightened security is a good way to accidentally run into a sawblade in styx and take 180 though

[mild crag]

Summons, security, level 1 tight deadline

Extreme measures

Hard labour

Or

You can start off with overtime to try to get used to new dodge timing

If you intend to keep increasing heat

[novel python]

How do I unlock the aspects?

[mild crag]

Unlock all weapobs

Weapons

And do one more run

[novel python]

Are there only 5 weps

[turbid needle]

am i just bugging or can you deflect shockwaves and explosions

i remember being able to do that one run or another

[last nacelle]

Same Day Delivery
A pact option that causes enemies to be replaced as they are killed instead of coming in waves.

[mild crag]

5 weapons yus

You can deflect if you have athena deflect boons

Maybe you had one of those

[turbid needle]

yeah that's what i'm thinking

that seems a bit weird to me

i remember because it got to the point where i was just dashing around and attacking things (I had the attack deflect) without much thought for strategy because i was using the sword and could deflect nearly everything

[novel python]

Aight so I've just unlocked the railgun. I guess after this run I'll have the aspects

[dense token]

thinking about it getting used to hightened security earlier on is probably a good idea
it took me 4 attempts to clear heat 32 and all 3 of the first attempts were ended by being dumb and dodging into traps on styx

helps you play less reckless

[crisp iris]

Heightened security is just

[last nacelle]

FREE heat?
dies

[crisp iris]

"PFFT I ain't gonna get hit bu a trap I'm good at this game"

dies by Tartarus spike

[solid cairn]

if there's 6 will we not be able to access our aspects until we buy the new one

[mild crag]

Dying to heightened security is hubris made manifest

[crisp iris]

Really living up to the greek myths

It feel like the game just saying "know your place, trash"

[dire cedar]

@solid cairn I put some of my high heat 2 cents in the feedback. If you are going for like 16 heat, go with your playstyle. I find Jury Summons and Middle Management (especially barge of death) to just be tedious.

1 point in Calisthentics i usually FINE for any 1-2 combos you usually do before Elysium. Does make bosses healthier but I've never really found that an issue except at 32 heat.

For Extreme Measures, I find only the Hydra to be considerably more difficult.

Yin prefers Forced overtime, which can make dodging and timed attacks more difficult (this is why shield is very popular for that free knockback). If you are going bow, I suggest no more than 20% forced overtime.

Lasting consequences over 50% just feels bad.

I actually enjoy the Extreme Measures, except for Hydra fight. I just find that to be tedious, the lava to be too sticky, and the random towers to be suck blockers. Not my style. Others find it fine.

If you are doing budget cuts, I'd say 1500 darkness is a good spot. You can have privileged status and 2 lives easy.

Damage control is insignificant on certain builds/weapons, and major on others. Shield and Chiron Bow don't care about damage control.

@dense token did you get barge of death on your 32 heat runs? I get that like 75% of the time and i just hate myself during it. I try to go for a similar build, too. Aphro attack and special shield.

[dense token]

i did

it was just annoying

but not really threatening with shield

[mild crag]

I think I dodged barge on my 33 heat run tehe

Luckyyy

Asphodel is scarey place

The bosses almost make it more threatening than elysium

It's just normal rooms are scarier in elysium

It's easier to outplay asterius than the boat and gorgon

[dire cedar]

I do like how on 32 heat even "easy" level sare taken to a new level

[dense token]

https://i.imgur.com/AruK2d4.png i did 2x calisthenics program instead of lasting consequences for the first run but i almost fell asleep during it so i swapped over

[dire cedar]

Man I cannot do 7 minute tight deadline. I'm not good enough.

[mild crag]

I contribute my pact too! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270911855306866689/658629505845297152/unknown.png

[dire cedar]

Chaos shield, yes?

[mild crag]

Hestia rail for mine

[dense token]

no choice and underworld customs seemed too unfun for me to take tbh

also adds more rng

[turbid needle]

I have no idea how you can stand either of them.

[mild crag]

Been doing higher heat and I took off no choice

[dire cedar]

Undworld customs imo only sucks for the Tartarus purge b/c you have so few boons

[mild crag]

But I'll keep using customs

[dense token]

yeah customs is definitely not nearly as bad

[dire cedar]

Aight. Thanks for the inspiration. Time to git gud.

Does Personal Liability give any heat? or is it just a Hell Mode quirk?

[crisp iris]

@warm kayak check the pinned msgs in this chat

[warm kayak]

tyvm

Q2: If I have 2 doors, 1 is a miniboss room and 1 is a standard room, both with boon rewards, is the miniboss room likely to be better?

[mild crag]

@dire cedar liability gives 1 Heat yeah

It's nullified by spear point tho

Which I change to in Styx

[dire cedar]

Welp. I'm grinding on my normal mode.

Guess I'll try Koss's heat and add damage contorl

[mild crag]

I dun like damage control just since hestia

[fading sandal]

is there a chart or something for fated authority?

[mild crag]

There's an out of date one pinned

Oh wait

[fading sandal]

ohh pins, right

[mild crag]

It got updated

[fading sandal]

new to discord

[mild crag]

It's the correct one pinned now

And no worries

Do you know how to access the pins

[fading sandal]

yeah

[pure junco]

I beat Meg on my 2nd run 😄

[mild crag]

Nice work

[pure junco]

Darn, lost to Hydra.

[turbid needle]

is there anything i have to do to gift megaera more nectar? i have an open heart for her but i the prompt to gift her doesn't come up when i'm near her

[dire cedar]

@turbid needle you may be at teh point that you need ambrosia instead of nectar

[pure junco]

Beat Hydra on my very next run! (3rd)

[barren plume]

Sounds about right

[turbid needle]

@dire cedar i have ambrosia as well

[dire cedar]

@turbid needle is it a lock symbol in the codex? If so, then just keep beating her, her sisters and talk to her. Took me wayyyy to many runs to unlock that heart

[turbid needle]

ah that's it i think

ty

she's best girl so yk i gotta fill her hearts first

[pure junco]

Why does "After Party" not restore you to the threshold on the next room?

[dire cedar]

I honestsly think it's bugged

[turbid needle]

Because it restores HP at the end of an Encounter.

[dire cedar]

Take a screenshot next time you enter a room F10 bug report

[turbid needle]

It's not bugged, just poorly timed.

[dire cedar]

Ah.

Also poorly worded

[turbid needle]

It's very very exact.

[pure junco]

I don't see why it shouldn't restore.

[turbid needle]

It restores HP at the end of an Encounter. The one you just beat is already over and you're between Encounters at that moment.

[pure junco]

I just had an encounter in the room I got it.

OK.

Well, time to fight The Minotaur and That Other Guy

[turbid needle]

Good luck.

[pure junco]

I have a super cheesy run

Darn, I killed the Minotaur pretty quickly, then Theseus* got me with the god's ability and his spear.

My run was basically; I had a bow, my special could deflect, my deflects did stupid amounts of damage, and I had 4 casts, each doing a double shot because of and Artemis boon.

[turbid needle]

asterius is the bull. theseus is the man

[azure bone]

You know since it feels like half the character interactions are about shipping two people together, I kinda wish I could ship theseus and asterius into an actual relationship

[pure junco]

Thanks, Lark.

[solid cairn]

zag aspect is considered best for spear right

[pure junco]

I have titan's blood, but can't use it, does it come later (My next run will be my 4th) or am I missing something?

[fierce slate]

You'll be able to use it later

[solid cairn]

once you get every weapon you'll see

[azure bone]

I honestly dunno why zag aspect is considered best, it doesn't seem to speed up the throw/retrieval animation

[solid cairn]

projectile speed I guess

[azure bone]

and you can use the dash one as a throw spear just like a regular spear, but also have the option to dash to it

Which I feel like most people don't realize the dash to spear thing is 'in addition' to being able to call it back and deal return daamge

[solid cairn]

it's also 3x as much to max

[azure bone]

I don't really count that in terms of 'which is best'

[solid cairn]

which doesn't matter after a certain point but still

I guess it's a preference thing

[azure bone]

Its just anytime spear aspects of brought up the second one is treated as bad because you cant call it back and like

you can

You left click to call back, press q a second time to dash to it

[solid cairn]

it's disorienting but yeah you can

do people actually say that

[azure bone]

Literally every time spear has been brought up I see it mentioned and like idk why

Its such a good flowing build. Throw spear, dash, do two high damage dash attacks, throw spear, dash, repeat.

[clever adder]

i think with the spear dash i recall it more often than i dash to it

i'm baffled that people would not realize you can do that

[azure bone]

WEll yea, but having the option to dash is extremely good. Can use it for example to dodge the bull

or to get behind shield guys with ease

And if you get fast-charge on spin attack dashing to spear and spin attacking will deal a lot of damage

since spin attack is affected by the damage bonus

[clever adder]

right, i agree it's good to be able to dash. just, if you think you have to dash, no wonder you think it's bad

[azure bone]

Punishing sweep seems underrated to

If only because the duration seems to be forever?

I used it on skele and waited and it never fell off

[mild crag]

It's rated right just because spin attacks take so long to go off

So hades aspect is unviable at high heat

[stoic ginkgo]

If you are using Hestia Aspect on the rail, if you get Infinity Chamber, It makes the Aspect useless, right?

[mild crag]

You can still reload

[stoic ginkgo]

oh?

[last nacelle]

infinity chamber is a bad upgrade

[mild crag]

It just doesn't do anything besides give you empowerment

True it is bad

But it doesn't break hestia empowered shots at least

[stoic ginkgo]

thats good

I wasnt planning to take it, but I was curious how it worked

[mild crag]

The best thing to say about it is that it doesn't actively hinder you lol

[azure bone]

Only time I'd get it is alongside poseidon shots for inifinite stunlocking

and even then... I don't think there's anything I'd take it over

[solid cairn]

stacking dio poison too

[azure bone]

you don't need infinite ammo for that

[solid cairn]

if only it stacked with flurry fire and spreadshot

[azure bone]

Maybe its my hestia speaking but at no point do I need to shoot that long without dodging something and stopping shooting

you can dash and all that while reloading so its kinda weird to run out of ammo

[solid cairn]

I got hestia to level 4 and I don't like it enough to take it to 5

yes I tried it at 5 but reverted it

[mild crag]

But why tho

[solid cairn]

Idk

I mean Achilles doesn't need much blood put into it

fine

I'll put it at 5

[mild crag]

I mean you don't have to

I just wanted to know why you dislike it

[solid cairn]

I can't revert poseidon level4 anyway

[pure junco]

Deflect counters Hydra and most enemies in Asphodel.

Like super hard.

[barren plume]

Fudge. Somebody pick for me Sudden Rush or Dashing wallop I find both of them fun

Only boon I have rn is ares aid

[solid cairn]

multi skewer is actually bad what

it's hard to back hit enemies

[stray frigate]

Good Morning guys

[barren plume]

It's great with certain boons.

Similar to the rail or shield special

[mild crag]

Dashing wallop is dash hit twice right

That's the good stuff iirc

[stray frigate]

what is iirc?

[shy nexus]

Short for "If I remeber/recall correctly."

[stray frigate]

thx

[shy nexus]

Don't mention it.

[stray frigate]

there are so many such shorts in english

[barren plume]

Nah dashing wallop is the 50% more damage and larger dash attack

[stray frigate]

good stuff

but it was stronger before

[barren plume]

Broken* more like

[stray frigate]

add poseidon or athena attack

and be op

[barren plume]

Got artemis dash attack.

and chaos dash attack +

[stray frigate]

not bat too

but i prefer athena dash

any run

[barren plume]

Doing a low heat run because I haven't maxed mirror and I'd rather get the bonus dark essence from the bosses with the hunger bonus than more materials

[stray frigate]

well u can also buy blood/gem in last Charon

[barren plume]

those are pricey tho

[stray frigate]

but good

did u finished fated list?

[barren plume]

Like every single thing on the list? No not by a long shot lol

[stray frigate]

i used low heat run for every pact things

[barren plume]

Yeah I'm staying on low heat untill I can get the mirror maxed and some other things cleared / maxed ( more levels on weapons, friendship, ect. )

[solid cairn]

died to hades with crit spear and I feel like I'm missing something

wait what did I quit instead of dying

what

but I went through the death animation

[granite finch]

Low heat?

[mild crag]

It's to do with the pact of punishment when you get it

The more heat you turn on the harder the game gets

So if somebody's playing at low heat they aren't using the pact much

If you've just started then you're on 0 heat

Unless you start a hell mode save which starts on 5 heat

[gray lintel]

multiskewer is fun tho

less single target moar AOE

[twilit zenith]

Hello. Just wanted to report that I saved and quit in the second area, and when I came back to play it started the main character in the lava so I lost almost all my HP.

[mild crag]

Sounds like a bug, make sure you report it with F10

[serene nexus]

If I turn on God Mode to deal with Hades exclusively for my first clear, how much respect do I lose from everyone here?

It’s to negate bad RNG for boons for the most part.

[stuck bough]

https://gyazo.com/262f7872a96f802bac12627787d01752

this was fun

[clever adder]

for the first time, i just fought the bosses of elysium with 3 extreme measures active. their upgrades were delightful

[dire cedar]

@serene nexus No respect lost. You can always toggle on more difficulty later

[civic barn]

as long as you're enjoying the game; you do you and don't let anyone else dictate how you play the game TeloRyu

[pastel jolt]

honestly i’m thinking of just. turning god mode on and leaving it on

literally the only problem i have with playing the game is “oops, silly damage”

[karmic coyote]

green jar + heightened security, now that's silly damage

[iron willow]

Question in regards to hera aspect heart seeker. It loads the stones into the attack. By using this weapon are you losing your ability to cast for the run? Also, does the cast simply empower the weapon?

[spark turret]

The cast will be used in the shot

So any further buffs to cast will be propelled through bow shot

Often this is much better the the alternative of throwing it

[iron willow]

Oh...

Dang that is strong

[spark turret]

It is very good with many of he cast

The*

I plan to do a run of it it tomorrow actually

[iron willow]

Nice

[woeful stirrup]

Imagine, boosted cast, with additional shards from Artemis boon and additional casts from Artemis and Chaos. The enemies melt. Hell, one shot can kill several enemies.

[spark turret]

Honestly all you need is like

[iron willow]

Will have to try that myself.

[spark turret]

Dionysus cast

And it rocks

[turbid needle]

Hades is a fun game

[spark turret]

Yah it’s pretty dope

[woeful stirrup]

With just my 3 casts, in an Artemis-focused run (never got her legendary, but did get a good Chaos cast boon), I dealt our favourite last boss a fifth of his health bar in damage with one shot.

[spark turret]

I’ve put 36 hours in 5 days

[turbid needle]

I think I am on the same page

[spark turret]

Oh I had a really good run Chou

[iron willow]

Getting there. Have about 25 hours over the week I have had it.

[spark turret]

Where I had artimist crit that got empowered with weak on bomb bow

And I crit +having double shot

And did two 987’s to him

[kind hare]

just bought it, gonna try it out now

aaand I got some cool lore before the run started as well! that's what I love about Hades

[spark turret]

Idk I’m getting burnt out in the game

So I’ll probs be taking a break for a little

16 skull run grinding is kinda driving me mad

[woeful stirrup]

I wonder if Zeus had something to say about the Hera aspect.

[turbid needle]

Didn't played as much today, was having a good time with another game which I had missed a lot, but will return to hades and keep trying for the other two you guys know what I am talking about.

[kind hare]

I'm just suprised how much post-game content there is to the game, it's an absolute wonder
can't wait for the new Olympian

[spark turret]

Welcome to rouge likes my friend

[turbid needle]

And the game is really a early access, imagine that.

[iron willow]

Not going to lie, I actually want to run a D&D game based on Greek mythology now because of the game.

[spark turret]

Yah they have a lot to improve on but so far have done an amazing job with it

It’s a really good early access

[turbid needle]

Makes me happy that devs nowadays are focusing on the ancient Greece

[radiant basin]

I'm at like ~75 runs and I'm still finding new dialogue and being impressed

[spark turret]

It’s a really cool topic that hasn’t been brought up in a long time

I’m at 36 sadly and it’s starting to wane on me

The new convos keep me going

[turbid needle]

I am around 64 I think

[radiant basin]

Well I can't say the gameplay is as fresh at 75 lol, im just happy with the incredible amount of writing and VA the game has

not that i'm not still enjoying it

[spark turret]

Yah honestly though they just need to add a little more to make it a lot better

[turbid needle]

There's definitely more content, for sure

[iron willow]

The story conversations are really awesome.

[spark turret]

1-2 new gods

Would make it crazy huge

With combos

A lot of the stories are dope and the world building

[radiant basin]

I cant wait for the new one 😍 and I hope they consider buffing poseidon

[spark turret]

Yo

Na Dionysus

Needs buffing

[radiant basin]

dionysus just needs some numbers

[spark turret]

Poison is so bad

[turbid needle]

Off I go to sleep, see ya all, hades is amazing game.

[kind hare]

cheers

[radiant basin]

poseidon is worthless on bosses

[spark turret]

Cya Noel

[radiant basin]

Goodnight

[spark turret]

Gods speed buddy

Na buntcake

You wanna know what my last run was

It was call dash only run

Base sword maxed so I had +30 movement

Heroic Hermes to add 4 dashes

Chaos buffed dash damage

And Poseidon dash splash

I fought every boss with only dash attacks

[radiant basin]

That's pretty funny

[spark turret]

Including hades

Poseidon’s dash is so good

Like by far best in the game

[radiant basin]

I think I saw a webm of someone doing a similar build on reddit about a week ago

[spark turret]

I feel bad cus I shoulda been streaming it

So I coulda gotten a vod of it

A cool thing we got from it though

Omg we can post pictures

[mild crag]

Poseiden's dash the best?

[prisma zephyr]

uhhh athena's dash is the best by far

[iron willow]

That's insane just doing a dash only run though

[mild crag]

I think that by far belongs to Athena

And second is Artemis

[spark turret]

You mean reflect dash

Hell no

[mild crag]

Uh

[spark turret]

I wanna slam enemy’s into a wall I infinitely

And 1 shot everything in a hitstun animation

[radiant basin]

but knockback doesnt work on bosses, does it?

[mild crag]

You'd be better off using his attack then

[spark turret]

It doesn’t

[mild crag]

With the rail or something

[radiant basin]

didn't it take you a long time to kill hades

[spark turret]

Nope

[radiant basin]

I dont understand, it does 35 damage lol

base

[spark turret]

With my apms

More like 126

And it could crit thanks to best goddess

Coming in around 6 times ever couple seconds

And yah I’m memeing Athena’s dash is the best

But she didn’t show up okay

[mild crag]

[spark turret]

I had to make sure

Due*

And in terms of room clear

I think his is best

Boss is her

By far

[radiant basin]

🐹

[mild crag]

I don't really use dash offensively

[spark turret]

Can’t say I do too often either let’s just say when chaos and Hermes gave me the tools

I had to take the offer you know?

[mild crag]

I think chaos dash boon doesn't affect it either

It's for dash attacks not the dash itself

[kind hare]

Deflect and Dodge - damage immunity is always the best choice

[spark turret]

Boooo if it doesn’t then it was strictly me leveling it up a ton and it being epic version

[mild crag]

Yuh

[dense token]

athena dash is good offensively too if you have a merciful end build

[mild crag]

And going crazy with hermes dashes

[radiant basin]

dash into every projectile

[spark turret]

Oh no cursing

That’s a rip

[mild crag]

Yus noh bad words

[spark turret]

I guess that’s fair

I think it would be cool if they let more stuff improve the gods dashes

To allow for more runs like that’s

It was one of the funnest runs I’ve ever done

[mild crag]

Eheh

I suppose for poseiden you can get double knock back and rupture

They would both benefit

Or sea storm ooo

That would be fun

The Zeus poseiden duo boon

[spark turret]

^^^

[mild crag]

That makes enemies be struck by lightning

[spark turret]

The knock back lighting

Then bouncing off of walls

[mild crag]

Yess

[spark turret]

For more props

Procs*

[mild crag]

Also get rupture and jolted

[spark turret]

I was looking for it

[mild crag]

For two status curses

[spark turret]

Jolted is really eh to me

But I could see it working for he two curses

The*

[mild crag]

Important thing is it gives you privileged status

[radiant basin]

theres double lightning too

[mild crag]

The damage is okay

Does double lightning work for sea storm

[spark turret]

Maybe?

[radiant basin]

I'm not sure but I would assume so

[spark turret]

It’s kinda rare

[mild crag]

No attack/no special/no cast run

[radiant basin]

I call this the hands tied behind my back run

[glad blaze]

What's the talk of the chat tonight folks?

[spark turret]

^ I already did it but it would be cool to see someone do it much better

[mild crag]

Winning a run with only dash boons @glad blaze

[spark turret]

Literally wasd and space bar was my run

I think I used my call too

To make some fights faster

[mild crag]

Poseiden call?

[spark turret]

No

[glad blaze]

Gotta pull the high IQ play and turn it into a Regenge build with the Auto trigger boon

[spark turret]

Artemis

Didn’t get many Poseidon’s

[mild crag]

Dash and vengeful mood let's go

[glad blaze]

Revenge build* thank you fingers

[spark turret]

Tried to force

[mild crag]

So they get uh

Doomed, lightninged and weaked

[spark turret]

I mean it’s more about the Hermes

Cus you can only get heroic dash from Eurydice

Or it’s dummy rare

[mild crag]

Yeah it's only eurydice or an exchange from an epic

Heroics don't drop by themselves

[spark turret]

You can’t exchange a Hermes

;-;

[mild crag]

Oh riiight

I get it now

[spark turret]

You have to Eurydice it

I got it 2 runs today though

[mild crag]

Nice

[spark turret]

Then again I say gods speed all the time

So maybe he favors me now

[mild crag]

I got confused and was thinking normal dash boons

NOW THAT'S GODSPEED ALRIGHT

[spark turret]

I also had the movement speed buff

And the one that gave you 100% after a dash

So I was

[mild crag]

"eh you get the jist"

[spark turret]

fast

[karmic coyote]

just manipulate rng and exchange the dash 2 times, the 2nd time is Hermes

[mild crag]

Important question

Tell hermes to be quiet or not

[spark turret]

No

I let him speak

Always

[mild crag]

I spam through his dialogue but when he asks me I can never say be quiet

[spark turret]

What happens if you tell him to be quite ?

Does he stop talking to you?

[mild crag]

I think all gods stop talking before boons for a bit

[spark turret]

That’s a fat rip

[mild crag]

I've never done it so I can't confirm tho

[spark turret]

Never, I love the va’s

And a lot of their voice lines

So for the love of god someone make poison good so I can listen to Dionysus

[mild crag]

Poison is good

If you take rail attack and get low tolerance

[limpid tapir]

"Aaaabsolutely, man!" stains Hades' robes with wine

[spark turret]

I’ve done so many bouncing spear runs with it

[pearl plank]

think of dionosys as a challenge run

[karmic coyote]

Hades is gonna kill him

[pearl plank]

and the reward is hearing his voice

[mild crag]

Shame doom is just better for bouncing spear

[spark turret]

I’ve done a doom run too

[woeful stirrup]

I nearly have 150 runs and I still listen to every voice line to the end, even those I've already heard.

[spark turret]

Actually that was today too

And honestly crit explosion spear is the best

[mild crag]

You played a lot today hey!

[spark turret]

Okay

I know

I have 5 days I’ve owned it

And 36 hours

[mild crag]

Wew

If anybodys to blame its supergiant for making it tbh

[spark turret]

I mean I’m addicted to rogue likes okay

[prisma zephyr]

yeet, got my 32 heat wins on spear and bow today

[spark turret]

I have Isaac nearly 100% done

[mild crag]

32 heat bow

[spark turret]

Jesus 32

I did my 9 today and almost beat 16

But hades fight had some

[mild crag]

Hey that's not bad

[spark turret]

...

Jar spawned on me

And then the trap hitbox kinda

[prisma zephyr]

ah yes urn spawn gottem

[spark turret]

Yeeted my life away

[turbid needle]

i got slapped by a shieldbearer with its back to the wall in the hades fight on my 16 heat attempt

was gonna lose with my six (6) total boons but still

[spark turret]

I mean to be fair I only run with one death defiance

[mild crag]

Saame

[spark turret]

I woulda done the 16 easy with 3

[mild crag]

You a budget cuts gamer too?

[spark turret]

^^^

I come from a lot of games that don’t have swag defiance

Deaths*

[turbid needle]

dang, what's your heat setup?

[spark turret]

I don’t have it memorized but I’ll try

[mild crag]

Join me at 33 heat

[prisma zephyr]

two death defiance is a bit pricey

[mild crag]

To flex on people doing 32

[prisma zephyr]

lmao

[spark turret]

100% more damage taken to enemy’s, 2 in less healing, jury duty 40, 100% plus shop

The enhanced boss fights

With buggy hades I will never ever take

High security

[mild crag]

You took some tough conditions

[spark turret]

Ever again

[heavy bough]

do you have invuln frames by default on the dash or not

[turbid needle]

ye

[mild crag]

@heavy bough you do

[prisma zephyr]

yes but they're inconsistent

[mild crag]

But the word I would use to describe them is not allowed on this server

[prisma zephyr]

lmao

[heavy bough]

alright thx

[spark turret]

Lmao

[turbid needle]

high sec is a joke and i hate it

[spark turret]

I’ll do a 32 run soon

Tbf I only have 36 runs

Maybe a little more

[prisma zephyr]

honestly the hardest ones are tight deadline, no choice and forced overtime

probably underworld customs too if you get unlucky

[turbid needle]

fair yeah

[spark turret]

That’s the one that increases the miniboss rooms right?

[prisma zephyr]

uh no

[spark turret]

I got the lava boat with that one

[radiant basin]

tight deadline is easy for me if im not taking anything that increases their health

[mild crag]

That's middle management

[turbid needle]

that's middle management

[spark turret]

Rip

[radiant basin]

But on 32 yeah it would suck

[mild crag]

Customs is you have to sell a boon at the d of each biome

[spark turret]

Middle manage meant

[turbid needle]

murderboat with bonus spawns is hell

[mild crag]

End of*

[spark turret]

Is impossible

[mild crag]

Murder boat is like

[spark turret]

So many bombers

[mild crag]

Man turn this thing around

Take me back to the house

[prisma zephyr]

take me back to cheesing the megagorgon with skelly :(

[spark turret]

Like haveyou ever loved the boat?

Lived*

With middle management

[radiant basin]

I remember the first time i got murder boat on a zag aspect boat run 😦

[spark turret]

Or is it just gf

[prisma zephyr]

ya

[mild crag]

I have with uh

Piercing fire on the rail

[spark turret]

Gg*

[prisma zephyr]

it's a damage check though

[turbid needle]

i have but without other heat parameters

[spark turret]

My explosion spear wasn’t good enough yet

[prisma zephyr]

its possible to play like a g0d and dodge everything

[turbid needle]

did steal a dd from me on that 16h run

[prisma zephyr]

but it's more likely something absolutely random will hit you

[spark turret]

I also had 2 chaos things going

[turbid needle]

i should probably not be using the bow tbf

[mild crag]

True gamers only on the murder boat

Sponsored by monster energy

[radiant basin]

murder boat seriously feels impossible if your kit has any animation whatsoever if you're playing with +enemy speed too

[spark turret]

I hope they add more bosses in the future

Ngl

Oh I had 30% enemy speed

[turbid needle]

i hope they remove theseus sometime soon

[spark turret]

On murder boat

[turbid needle]

just double asterius bossfight

[dense token]

bit late but coming from games with very strict dodge iframes, the dash iframes are incredibly generous in this game

[spark turret]

Why remove Theseus

[mild crag]

No way

Even dark souls is more generous

With light rolls anyway

[turbid needle]

getting pinged for 15 because he can't aim is infuriating

[dense token]

you're invincible throughout most of the dash

[radiant basin]

you're not

it feels like its only at the start of the dash

[mild crag]

The end you aren't for sure

[spark turret]

End of dash has a lot of hit frames

[mild crag]

I constantly get DD activated with the dash trail still in the screen

[spark turret]

And it feels very frail on how many grams you have overall

[dense token]

you can also chain dashes to stay invincible throughout them

[prisma zephyr]

i constantly get memed by divine dash even though you'

[radiant basin]

source: me getting hit by hydra ground pound 2342837649238674 times because i dashed too early

[prisma zephyr]

re meant to be invulnerable during it

[spark turret]

Impracticable

[mild crag]

YES @prisma zephyr

WHY

[spark turret]

Sometimes you get 2 dashes

[mild crag]

Do I die

[spark turret]

Sometime hermes says no

[mild crag]

With the effect still around me

[prisma zephyr]

got memed

[dense token]

ive heard someone say that using dash attack cuts off your iframes but idk if that's true

[mild crag]

Doubt it

Since its all at the end where you don't have iframes to being with

[spark turret]

Yah I really doh t it

Doubt*

Jesus my spelling at 4 am

[dense token]

maybe I'll go test it later

[spark turret]

The dash is nice but not the nicest

[dense token]

but it would explain it

[spark turret]

It feels like gungeons but less of a tell

With a lot of frames while at the end that can be tagged and hit

[radiant basin]

I did a little searching on discord and I found someone mentioning that before this update it seemed like there were more iframes on dash

no idea who that person is so grain of salt

[mild crag]

Yes that's my experience

They removed some iframes

[radiant basin]

I only picked up the game this patch so i cannot say myself 😅

[dense token]

i got the game a few days ago too

[mild crag]

I can't verify but it seems to be the common anecdote among long time players

[prisma zephyr]

game's great but uh, it may elicit some obscenity from me

[mild crag]

Of course

I draw my power from bad words

[spark turret]

Games good but has a lot to work on

It’s on a good path

They just need to keep it up

It seems big but in the genre they are going for it’s not at it yet

[dense token]

oh apparently dark souls rolls have over 20 iframes which is incredibly generous so i don't think that's a really good comparison

[mild crag]

Was only thing I could think of lol

[spark turret]

Check gungeons

[mild crag]

Since other souls like games are about the same

That's basically all I've played in the regard of iframe rolls

[radiant basin]

20?? I think ds1 had 13 on light roll

iirc

[mild crag]

Maybe it's 20 on the flip?

[radiant basin]

I can't really recall

I havent played them since they came out

[mild crag]

Never got into gungeon

Felt slow for me

[dense token]

i saw 13 too but that was at 30 fps

[radiant basin]

Oh, that is probably why haha

of course

[dense token]

so 26 for 60

ya

I'm used to 4~6 frames so maybe that's why it feels so generous to me lol

[mild crag]

Fair

I more feel the pain from previously having more

And playing to that level of danger

[dense token]

ya makes sense

[spark turret]

Hmm what kinda games do you play yin?

[karmic coyote]

try ds2 then, it has 5 iframes with the lowest agility

[mild crag]

I'm interested in what's more unforgiving than Hades

Other than fighting games

[radiant basin]

fighting games is my guess

[mild crag]

Which are always rough

[prisma zephyr]

elysiu-oh

[dense token]

nah it's an action mmo

[naive cobalt]

Hollow Knight, maybe?

[unborn trellis]

the most unforgiving games are getting over it and jump king

they were built to frustrate

[karmic coyote]

nope that would be arcade game

[radiant basin]

competitive pso2 player

[dense token]

i actually am talking about pso2 lol

[radiant basin]

im a god

[dense token]

how'd you know

[radiant basin]

its just on the brain because my roommate is playing it haha

[dense token]

lmao

[mild crag]

Buntcake psychic

[spark turret]

Hmm sounds cool yin

Most games I play have niceish iframes

Or none at all

[dense token]

you can spec so that you have more iframes in that game, up to 12, but most people don't

[spark turret]

Interesting

Is it better to just get good and learn the 7?

[dense token]

yup

[mild crag]

So how about that hestia rail huh

[radiant basin]

I cant get into the rail

[dense token]

i actually gave hestia rail a try yesterday i might do my next 32 heat run with it instead of sword

[radiant basin]

I've done like 3-4 complete runs with it but i've never made a build that i thought was particularly good or busted

[mild crag]

Hestia rail is fun on high heat

Just don't take damage control

[dense token]

do you just take artemis dash + m1

and then whatever status

[mild crag]

Aphro attack is most important

Then Artemis dash makes it even bigger

Then preferred status

[dense token]

makes sense

[mild crag]

I kinda like exposed since that gives you nice defensive stuff

[dense token]

yea

[mild crag]

Including spent spirit

[dense token]

what about hammer upgrades

[mild crag]

I reckon piercing

[dense token]

explosive fire sounded cool but the aoe seemed tiny

[mild crag]

Is best

[dense token]

yea def pierce

[mild crag]

Explosive fire does decent but piercing is a bit better

For shields and it lets you do murder boat

For special inescapable blast is really good

[dense token]

i ran into middle management 5x overtime barge without piercing on my run

it was suffering

[mild crag]

[spark turret]

Uhhhggg

I’ll test out 32 heat runs later

[mild crag]

Oh btw

Rocket bomb with deflect special

Idk the heck happens there

But it's like

The entire blast radius

[spark turret]

I had a triple rocket bomb run

[dense token]

oh yeah i noticed that

[mild crag]

Moving along a line

Gets deflected so basically the entire screen lol

Inescapable blast works with rocket bomb too btw but not ideal

[spark turret]

Lmao is there a punishment for saying bad words

Cus I don’t have the memory

Rip me if there is

[mild crag]

Idk about punishment

But your message gets deleted

[spark turret]

What I was trying to say is the reload messes with me

Which is weird cus in league I main jhin, one of the only champs to have a reload

[mild crag]

You gotta manual reload too

Better if it's on a mouse button

[spark turret]

I mean I should be fine at that

But for some reason I’m not

[dense token]

i just bound mine to shift

[mild crag]

I got it on the side on my mouse

[stoic crest]

hey everyone

quick question

[radiant basin]

I think i use R from fps games

[stoic crest]

what do you get from improving a boon's rarity?

[spark turret]

Makes the effect slightly better

[stoic crest]

so it's kinda like a level up?

[mild crag]

Yep

[turbid needle]

better numbers than a pom tho

[spark turret]

Like a base lvl up and can matter a lot in some cases

[mild crag]

Leveling up is like base numbers

[radiant basin]

yeah but it has specific upgrades instead of like, diminishing returns

[mild crag]

And rarity is a multiplier

[spark turret]

Like hermes dash, will give you more dashes based on rarity

[stoic crest]

oooh I get it now

[spark turret]

On some things it matters a lot more

Then others

[mild crag]

Common is like x1.0 and epic is up to x2.0 for aphro attack for example

It has ranges too tho

[spark turret]

Like chaos is like one of the most important

[stoic crest]

I was under the impression that there were a specific amount of common, rare and epic boons

[mild crag]

Epic aphro is like 1.8-2.0x

Nah

[stoic crest]

but instead, each boon has 3 (or more?) rarity types?

[radiant basin]

rarity is also useless on certain boons right? I can't remember

[stoic crest]

which dictate their effects?

[mild crag]

Normal boons are common, rare, epic and heroic

Then there's duo boons and Legendary boons which are special

[stoic crest]

ok, figured there was something beyond epic

oki, duo boons falls into gameplay spoilers for me 😄

[spark turret]

Heroic has to replace something

[mild crag]

You'll see eventually

[stoic crest]

hehe

[mild crag]

This is a spoiler ridden channel tho

So be careful!

[stoic crest]

yeah I figured

[mild crag]

#h1-discussion is spoiler free if you'd like to escape

It it's suppose to be at least

[spark turret]

Lmao

[stoic crest]

uhm, ok?

I don't know what I said wrong 😄

[mild crag]

Naughty words not allowed

[radiant basin]

everyone getting the wrist slap tonight

[stoic crest]

anyway, I got the help I need!

[radiant basin]

maybe a typo?

[stoic crest]

thanks a bunch everyone 🙂

[spark turret]

Yep yep your welcome

[stoic crest]

oooh yeah

I said I was loving the s--- of this game

oops 😄

see ya!

[mild crag]

Tehe

I'm just waiting to get my wrist slapped sooner or later

[spark turret]

What

[mild crag]

So how about that hestia rail huh

[quick igloo]

Only good rail imo

[spark turret]

I just run lance

[mild crag]

The spear?

Which aspect

[spark turret]

Yah whatever you call it

Zag

I like it a lot

[mild crag]

Gud choice

[spark turret]

The other two suck

Kinda

But the second one that gives you the dash through

[mild crag]

Spin is too slow

[spark turret]

Might be cool

[mild crag]

And Achilles is interesting

Buffs cast damage

[spark turret]

Spin is suuuuper slow

I’ll be testing it out

[mild crag]

So it's good for hunting blades

[spark turret]

If I wasn’t sick I’d be streaming

[quick igloo]

I just want appolo in the game so we can maybe get an apollo rail aspect which would just be a sun beam

[spark turret]

But I sound kinda crippled right now

[mild crag]

Ooh laser

[spark turret]

So I chose to not

[mild crag]

I wish I could stream but my Internet is kekw rn

[prisma zephyr]

apollo = fire, fire = fun, therefore apollo = fun

qwik mafs

[mild crag]

[spark turret]

I want them to add Egyptian gods cus I like

Ra

Give us the sun god

[mild crag]

"but this is a Greek mythology game" "yes but Egyptian gods cool"

I like it

[spark turret]

Make the shield a floating sun

[radiant basin]

what do you think demeter is gonna add

i hope she has earth powers

[mild crag]

Hmm

[quick igloo]

CC I think. Roots and slows

[spark turret]

Wait do we know what gods they plan to add?

[mild crag]

I think she'll grow stuff around

Demeter is the guess

Like grow areas which slow

[prisma zephyr]

uh all of them hopefully

[radiant basin]

@spark turret people just suspect demeter because of the silhouette in the steam trailer

[spark turret]

Ahhh

I hope they add at least 2-3 more

[mild crag]

Next one is the last one planned afaik

[quick igloo]

Well also zagreus plot reasons

[radiant basin]

oh, yeah that too

I want to have plant dash

[spark turret]

Plant dash

[radiant basin]

carnivorous grass like tree of savior

[mild crag]

Verdant Dash sound cooler!

[radiant basin]

yesss

[quick igloo]

I need apollo....

[mild crag]

Verdant Strike, Verdant Flourish

I'm so cool

[spark turret]

Lmao

[quick igloo]

I also want to see narssiss

[spark turret]

Plot twist they add an extra boss

And hades helps us by giving us boons

[mild crag]

That would be sick

But they have some stuff to fill in still

More story for Nyx for example

[radiant basin]

do you think they will change styx at all for tight deadline / speedrunning....

[mild crag]

Tight deadline will see more changes no doubt

[quick igloo]

Personally I'd like it if they added the mortal realm as a level

[mild crag]

Maybe a keepsake which allows you to find the sack more easily

[spark turret]

I actually see like Styx

[radiant basin]

yeah a keepsake would be good

change cerberus keepsake

though health is fine

[turbid needle]

cerb keepsake is fine as is for the early game

[spark turret]

Cerb keepsake is super good right now

Most people will give cerb first gift

[radiant basin]

yeah, its just theming

[quick igloo]

Bruh cerb keepsake is the best

[spark turret]

And his keepsake helps people out

With like the earlygame

And getting farther

[quick igloo]

Till you get skellys

[spark turret]

It’s amazing game design tbh

[mild crag]

Yep all the easy to get ones

Skelly, nyx, cerb

All early game ones

[spark turret]

Than

Has the best one

[mild crag]

Now that ain't an early game one

[spark turret]

Pierce butterfly

[prisma zephyr]

yeee than's keepsake is awesome

[spark turret]

I love it

[mild crag]

Than got too many nerfs

[turbid needle]

mb change bonus health to achilles, dr to sisyphus and give the theoretical styx keepsake to cerb

[mild crag]

I dun use it

[quick igloo]

Hypnosis isn't that bad if you level it up

[mild crag]

Missing out on fixing god boons is too bad

[spark turret]

It got nerfed?

[mild crag]

Used to be 2.5%

Now it's 2

[spark turret]

;-;

I’m kinda sad about that

I would get 40% runs if that was the case

[mild crag]

I always take aphro keepsake for Tartarus

[prisma zephyr]

honestly if the game wants to screw you it'll screw you anyway

that's why i'm running than's

[mild crag]

Swap to synergistic one for asphodel

Athena or Ares usually

Then in elysium I take distant memory

Since I need the dps

Then I change to spear point for Styx

[spark turret]

I run Artemis keepsake

Well tbf Rn I’m just trying to lvl them all

[mild crag]

Also a good choice to begin with

Aphro/Artemis is also good

They have a good duo

[spark turret]

The weak/crits amped damage

[mild crag]

Yuh

[spark turret]

It’s amazing

[mild crag]

Changes crit from 300% to 450%

[spark turret]

If you get the dou

I’ve gotten her triple cast more then her dou skills

[mild crag]

Yeah sometimes the fates play tricks on ya

They are a fickle sort

Reminds me of that time I ended Tartarus with one boon

A level 4 epic aphro attack

And realised I had underworld customs on

[radiant basin]

ouch

[mild crag]

Took a dip in the lava

[spark turret]

Rip

[mild crag]

whatever logic makes wavemakers position themselves on opposite edges of the murderboat was written by hades himself

[icy edge]

Spear is such garbage

So slow and so clunky unless you do that one single daedalus-locked special build

[prisma zephyr]

it's not garbage

although i do agree flurry jab can animation lock you into memes

[icy edge]

It's not garbage when used by a great many players that are not me

Basically the handful of wins I did get were mostly cast/dash focused 😅

[obtuse ravine]

I just dash attack everything to death ahaha.

[graceful solstice]

the crit backstab on special is great

[obtuse ravine]

I do like the spear against the shields on Elysium

[graceful solstice]

the special is really slow though which is annoying if you build a run around that attack

[mild crag]

special is not slow i think you mean spin

[obtuse ravine]

Ahahah I maxed out the zagreus spear so its crazy fast. But I havent tried the other spears yet

[graceful solstice]

it's pretty slow if you main it

well... if you try to specifically use it with the backstack crit throw so you're forced to press y twice for each attack

that got me hit a lot

[obtuse ravine]

Tbf I only throw the spear against regulat enemies, I rarely throw it against bosses.

[grim adder]

what does +2 to Ambiguity do? 😄

[solid cairn]

Is it worth getting all the duo boons for the prophecy seems really annoying

[karmic coyote]

it does absolutely nothing because you don't believe in Bouldy

[dense token]

i tested it on snakestones and it seems like dash attack does cancel your iframes from dash

im going to test it on brimstones instead i think this is too inconsistent to tell

[split arch]

question

how do I get skelly's companion I have a heart with a lock and he asked me to kill him

[dense token]

also you'll probably just get all the duo boons eventually by playing naturally, cinder

[split arch]

if I kill him does it lock me out of his companion

[karmic coyote]

nope just kill him you won't regret it

[split arch]

yeah - cute

[dusky coral]

anyone got any tips for the shield? it feels way less powerful than the other weapons and kind of weird to play tbh

[forest stump]

wdym shield is op

[dusky coral]

idk feels really weird to play for me.

[forest stump]

step 1.locate enemy step 2. hold attack step 3. release step 4. special step 5. spam attack and dodge

how shield works for me is to just spam dodge and attack

[dense token]

ok yeah there's definitely some weirdness with dash attacking & iframes
seems dash attacking or using special/cast during your dash removes some iframes at the end of your dash

[forest stump]

then use shield when enemy shoots the pew pew lazer

[dense token]

are clips allowed here?

streamable etc.

[dusky coral]

i just think it doesnt feel as smooth as some other weapons

but yeah i guess ill have to play around with it more

which aspect do you reckon is best going for? got everything unlocked

[urban void]

managed to beat final boss with sword for the first time

[dense token]

dash attack + attack or attack -> bull rush -> special if chaos aspect -> repeat is the way to go for shield

[urban void]

aphrodite dionysus combo can be pretty sweet

@stray frigate thanks for the tip about the tooth it just saved me

[stray frigate]

u r welcome dude

[urban void]

didn't realise i lost my other death defiance in elysium since i stopped the run yesterday and picked it up today

luckily still had 2 with the tooth for final boss

goddamn hard time

shielded medusas being spawned ew

[stray frigate]

did u win?

[dusky coral]

probably, since he said he got his first win

[stray frigate]

i cant see

ah

it was before i enter chat

Now lvlup Heat and do it again@urban void

[urban void]

yeah

no it's my third win

first win with sword

i'm trying to get one win with each weapon before i start doing heat

[stray frigate]

same here

also i just fullfilled prophecy about pact

[urban void]

idk what that is

[stray frigate]

fate list

[urban void]

again no idea

is it unlocked at a certain point

i'm only 17 runs in

[stray frigate]

i guess u can buy it

wait

why do u try to win with every weapopn

[urban void]

i want to try and get good with each one one by one so i can see which one i like the most

i want to be able to beat the final boss with all of them

[stray frigate]

lol i thought u try to end prohecy

u can buy through house renovation

list of 3 fates

and

there are some achievments

may be very useful

[urban void]

i need to get some more gems

i've been upgrading a bit but kinda ignoring it for rooms with other upgrades during the run

[stray frigate]

you will get it later anyway)

[stray frigate]

also there are some which can give u blood. 2 10 and 10 if i remeber

for win with all weapon 10 blood exactly

so u may focus this renovatios asap@urban void

[atomic panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/544012082857902081/662692275092062255/unknown.png
I got her trapped

[stray frigate]

how did u do it?

looks like Poseidon boon

[atomic panther]

Just straight-up dropped Bouldy on her

[stray frigate]

lol

f10 it

[atomic panther]

It's not a bug, it's a facet of how pickups work

[stray frigate]

i think it's not how it should work

[green birch]

Fjdhdhdjf

[stray frigate]

Bless you!@green birch

[granite vine]

are you able to aim summons?

[karmic coyote]

Nope

[solid cairn]

I really can't get the hang of spear

[radiant basin]

spear was my first clear, I just stacked all damage perks i could on the special with crit and was critting more than not for 700+ damage