hera aspect casts
#h1-builds-and-combat
median ridge
turbid needle
You could just remove the first three words from that sentence and it would still be true, just maybe a little more dangerous.
stray frigate
i thought u say upgrading Hera aspect is good for hunting blades
patent ibex
When do I get the prophecy table thing?
native ether
Hera Aspect on its own is good with Hunting Blades. No upgrade required
patent ibex
Also, is there a point in buying the cosmetic decorations?
native ether
its ok :p
turbid needle
Only if you want them.
median ridge
yes. having a nicer looking room
subtle prawn
it advances the story sometimes
at least it seems to for me
lol my current wretched broker limited-offer is 2 titan bloods for 1 diamond what a steal
stray frigate
sometimes he is pretty cool
like blood for 15 keys
or dia for 100 gems
and so on
patent ibex
Should I be saving up on diamonds and ambrosia?
Right now it seems like Titans blood is the most important seeing as it makes you stronger
stray frigate
yes for ambrosia
patent ibex
And When do I get the prophecy table thing?
patent ibex
Do I need to beat the game on heat+5?
stray frigate
no
stray frigate
shouldnt u buy it through house renovation?
hasty flint
Yeah, the prophecies can be bought through house renovation
patent ibex
Yea the thing is its called a cosmetic item
I didn't know it had an effect so I just ignored it
The Azure Drapery is also a House Decore, does it do anything?
hasty flint
No, it just changes the drapery, and makes Hades get cross with you for changing the drapery
turbid needle
Just changes the decore.
patent ibex
Someone should tell them to change the list from cosmetic
I would have just straight up ignored it forever if I didn't hear from you guys
stray frigate
there are lot of good stuff there
like better chest
hp for darkness
boov lvlup for nectar
and so on
patent ibex
I Know I bought those
But because the Table is written as a cosmetic item I just ignored it
I don't want to spend gems on cosmetics, they should change it so it doesn't say its a cosmetic item
stray frigate
and why would u keep ur gemstones?
patent ibex
Because upgrading certain things cost 150gems
I only had 30
If I knew i'd get the table that actually does things and gives me missions, id buy it right away
But I kept ignoring it saving up for the next viable upgrade
stray frigate
so guys
any tips for Zeus Dio duo?
looks like wiki is wrong
or i just have no luck for 3 times
turbid needle
you need tipsy shot and a main zeus boon
turbid needle
keep trying
rancid solar
the only weapon i actually have difficulty dealing with them on is the bow```
@native ether what changed? when i search for greatshields in feedback, you've complained about them several timesI got better lol
rancid solar
I mean, in a run where I can kill the final boss in less than 4 minutes, dying three times to Elite Greatshields is pretty ridiculous.
In a spear run too, of all things.
native ether
They're annoying sure, but they keep Elysium from being easy. They're annoying because they force you to change how you play the game.
Which I think is a good thing, not a bad thing
rancid solar
Not really. Other enemies are also difficult (soulcatchers, bows, chariots) without being impossible to fight.
stray frigate
lol most other just spam attack and win
native ether
eh, Soul Catchers and Bowmen don't change how I play the game
turbid needle
Greatshields are not "impossible".
native ether
Bowmen reinforce it because they're interrupted if you just focus them down and hitstun them
turbid needle
Pear is right, you can't just throw yourself at them like you can almost every other enemy.
native ether
once you can hit stun a greatshield though, if its not armored, you can pummel it before it can turn around
rancid solar
Changing how you play the game is fine, but when those changes are "Run and hide in a corner and spam a weak distance attack for 5 minutes and try and catch them on the rebound" that's not fun. Being forced to cheese encounters is terrible design
turbid needle
I don't at all think you need to cheese Greatshields.
native ether
You can do that, or you can wait for an opportunity to stun them so you can defeat them quickly.
turbid needle
They're very slow and easy to flank.
rancid solar
My issue is they have near-instant turn speed, so it's hard to hit them from the back unless you can lockstun then. They also get a terrain-ignoring projectile, massive dashes, and always show up in groups of 4+
native ether
Alternatively, you can get yourself any Artemis projectile or Piercing effect, and ignore the shield entirely
stray frigate
and they stun themselves with their combo
native ether
Wait for them to charge and just stand in front of them, then when you see the charge warmup animation, double dash through them. Wait for them to finish spinning, then pounce them.
rancid solar
All of these things are correct points y'all, but don't take into account that these are in groups of 4-5 where you can't just sit there and lockstun one over and over unless you want to take 200 damage from the other 4 spamming projectiles at you and interrupting you while they spin attack.
turbid needle
They are not always in large groups.
stray frigate
4-5??
turbid needle
It happens, yes, but not literally all the time.
rancid solar
like, I know that piercing counters them and you can dash around them/lockstun them. That doesn't matter when there are 5 of them cornering you.
stray frigate
rly?
turbid needle
You can also draw them out.
crisp iris
I tend to walk up and bait their attacks, then dash thru them and backstab them with extra dmg if possible
rancid solar
I tend to walk up and bait their attacks, then dash thru them and backstab them with extra dmg if possible yeah that's the strategy for all of them.. again, doesnt work with 5 of them on you
I guess I've never seen them in groups of less than 4 or 5 as Elites.
native ether
They can be and I can agree that a large group of greatshields shouldn't really be possible because that is annoying and time consuming. That's super rare though.
Alternatively, if you're playing something like Rail, Special behind them. Knocks them down immediately. While Knocked down, they can't block either.
crisp iris
I do tend to hit a lot of dash attacks even if they aren't attacking if I dash through them. Personal experience, I think the enemy type is fine
rancid solar
From you yourself @native ether : On 60 Heat I swear I only died at Theseus But I always lost 2 Death Defiances in the room right before him because it always seems to contain... Elite Greatshield Spam Like every run I've done at 60 heat The last encounter of Elysium is just a bunch of Elite Greatshields I don't know if it's my luck or coded but ugh it's very annoying.
That's literally every run for me. It's always Elites, and 5-8 of them per wave, usually 2 waves.
turbid needle
Your number is climbing.
native ether
So keep in mind that feedback was from looks like 3-4 months ago
rancid solar
Regular greatshields mixed in with bows and spears is fine.
@turbid needle Talking specifically about the last room before Theseus here, where there are more of them
crisp matrix
god I hate greatshields
rancid solar
Regular elite rooms are the 4-5 groups
native ether
The last room of Elysium is always filled with Elites. Not always shields though. Sometimes its spear men
That feedback was before I had 120 Heat cleared the game with the Adamant Rail, the "worst weapon" at the time. I just got much better and quit complaining about them.
In all honestly my least favorite Elysium enemy is the Longspear cause I constantly underestimate their range.
crisp matrix
what was your build on it?
turbid needle
Longspears are infinitely worse. They've got Extending Jab+++ built-in.
queen prawn
Hey are there any boon synergies beyond their natural effects being good in tandem?
think about how certain items in the Binding of Isaac are coded to interact in specific ways
turbid needle
Poke you from across the whole damn biome.
native ether
For the 120 Heat Rail? Poison Primary, Aphro Dash and Special, Low Tolerance. Aspects did not exist at the time. Beat Theseus with 600% enemy damage on that thing :p
120 Heat was the equivalent to 24 heat in the new system
and it was the 3rd skelly statue
turbid needle
Back when Aphro's and Dio's dashes were good. RIP
rancid solar
The blocking mechanic is just dumb. Total immunity to damage in a 315 degree radius while also getting a spin attack, leap, group, and combo is ridiculous. It's artifical difficulty in the vein of Mario Kart rubberbanding. You can be as skilled as you want, but it's programmatically impossible to dodge 5 Elite greatshields spin attacking you while comboing off and ignoring damage. You're guaranteed to take 50-100 damage each time, and it's just a "health tax" for the Theseus/Mino fight, to steal a DND term
spice prawn
i just found out if you push a mob into a wall with a shield you basically crit constantly until they explode into small pieces
native ether
Aphro's Dash is still alright, Dio dash is better now cause its damage is much better, and Low Tolerance is still amazing
unkempt pagoda
i just got both 30 and 60 heat statues when it was only hydra
rancid solar
@spice prawn Yeah. I love going Poseidon build with the shield ❤️
crisp matrix
ahh, I'm trying to improve my Exagryph build besides the usual Lightning Strike for attack, Support Fire, and attack speed upgrades
spice prawn
here i am right in the middle of it all throwing it around and dash attacking when i should be single them out into a wall, right?
turbid needle
You're only the last person who has found this much trouble with Greatshields.
@spice prawn Nah, you play however you want.
spice prawn
hot damn i felt powerful for a moment
unkempt pagoda
i mean, either works
rancid solar
I've got about 20 hours in the game, so this is all from the perspective of a new-ish player. I'm just saying that at 1 or 2 heat, with 25 runs and 5 Hades kills under my belt, it's ridiculous that a single enemy type causes more problems than any boss in this game.
stray frigate
who should give me Zeus/Dio boon?
turbid needle
Zeus or Dionysus.
stray frigate
for the 1st time
spice prawn
i got a bit less than 20 and can't beat hydra so you must be doing it right
rancid solar
and @turbid needle Searching for "greatshield" gives you a ton of feedback on them. If there are this many people complaining that Greatshields are unfair and unfun to play against, maybe it should be looked at. Spears and Bows are fine because you can actually play around them
native ether
but it's programmatically impossible to dodge 5 Elite greatshields spin attacking you while comboing off and ignoring damage
Its not impossible, just difficult. Greatshields require a huge playstyle adjustment, you have to wait on them to be more open. As someone who's played a good amount of the game, I've hated Greatshields in the past, but got used to them and got less annoyed at them as time has passed.
If nothing else, run Broken Spearpoint in Elysium. Counters them good tbh.
turbid needle
The vast majority of people complaining about Greatshields were new to the game at that time.
You're trying to attack them like every other enemy. Be more patient, don't go for them when they're bunched in a corner.
spare iron
I hate longspears more 😄 greatshields, i can get by
queen prawn
i havent played the game in a while but i remember greatshields being just a little bit too hard
either because they turned too quickly or the range of angles you can actually hit them from was too narrow
crisp matrix
Athena dash is my favourite though, deflects almost everything
native ether
People have always complained about Greatshields because Greatshields are the only enemy in the game minus bosses that you cant mindlessly slam into a wall. I don't think they're as much as a problem as people want to make it out to be.
If you want an enemy that I despise, lets talk about the Satyr, there's a really good reason I always run Broken Spearpoint for Styx.
crisp matrix
@spare iron actually I main bow and I dash a lot
turbid needle
gokSure you are!
crisp matrix
my main way of playing it is dash attack
spice prawn
is there a boon for the bow speical to knockback
stray frigate
@spice prawn poseidon
queen prawn
they're far from terrible
rancid solar
@turbid needle I know that, I don't walk into 5 of them sitting in a corner. I try and spread them out, get them one by one, but inevitably take 50+ damage due to all of the projectile spam and spin attacks.
spare iron
@crisp matrix i have the effect that you can load your shoots in your bow. I mean that's a delight. And when I have the festivity fog or sth with it, it just one shots annoying ones
stray frigate
poseidon is all about knockback
spice prawn
you would think artemis would be the go to
crisp matrix
@spare iron haha yea! I use the Tipsy Shot build too and I love it
queen prawn
or see their projectiles
spice prawn
whats ares good for
crisp matrix
abused it on my 4th run to beat the game
queen prawn
feels like im good one frame and poisoned the next
native ether
Yeah poison darts feel really hard to dodge
The satyrs don't have a really good tell for it
crisp matrix
Satyrs Chariots Greatshields most annoying standard enemies imo
stray frigate
@spice prawn ares call and cast are good
spare iron
@crisp matrix i haven't beat it, but I'm progressing :) don't you think his split shot is useless in action? I mean I Neve find a chance to use it in fights
That autocorrect...
spice prawn
ty
native ether
Throw Longspears into that list. But I think if I wasn't annoyed by basic enemies, the game wouldn't be doing its job very well.
vapid spoke
the tell is mostly auditory, which is a problem as far as audio balancing (it sounds like satyrs are trying to hock up some mucus)
crisp matrix
@spare iron yea I think split shot isn't that good, with the hammer I go for Twin/Perfect/Flurry shot, but it's RNG
spare iron
When I got the Athena call first time, i just pressed button and watched 😄 then I realized I could attack while the call is on
crisp matrix
yea it's def one of the best calls if you have a high DPS build
spice prawn
for calls do you just hit the button or do you have to hold it in
turbid needle
Press.
spare iron
The sad part is I waited for my call to be fully charged :(
vapid spoke
you can call when you have at least one segment of the bar, but it lasts much longer (or has an additional effect) if it is completely full
crisp matrix
this reminds me of Bastion more than anything
turbid needle
There will be no Transistor libel here or anywhere.
crisp matrix
Transistor was actually the only game I didn't finish/like from them
vapid spoke
this is Faster Bastion rogue-lite
stray frigate
Transistor is the best imo
turbid needle
Someone hold me back.
stray frigate
fight me
crisp matrix
Bastion was great, but too linear gameplay for me
vapid spoke
people have different tastes my dude, and supergiant has put out 4 very different games
crisp matrix
Transistor was good but just didn't capture me
spare iron
Thanks to Transistor, this game has boons and stuff I guess. And Transistor has an endless mode, so...
native ether
Transistor is a fantastic game. My only wish is that it lasted longer
crisp matrix
@vapid spoke you're right, Hades really gave me Bastion feels tho
crisp iris
I feel Ares is best with defensive ranged build
spare iron
@native ether i loved the actress and the story. I mean the game was long enough to my taste.
pastel jolt
@spare iron Please don't try and get around the filter.
native ether
I beat Transistor in 5 hours and was a little disappointed to find out that it ended there, in all honesty. Fantastic game though.
crisp iris
Like chaos shield or bow build
vapid spoke
this is supposed to be about hades gameplay tho
native ether
off topic police :kappa:
spare iron
@crisp iris Hermes Dodge and area deflect <3
spare iron
Athena"
spare iron
@pastel jolt sorry. I was trying to imply how wrong i was
mighty swan
stay on topic and the police will never come 
native ether
hey at least its not like iron fist "banned, you were off topic"
mighty swan
🤔
crisp matrix
I mean we were discussing how the gameplay is similar/different
native ether
yes i have been in discords like that :p
crisp matrix
guess not strictly "Hades gameplay"
spare iron
I mean we are discussing the effect of other games on Hades. Game itself is kinda hybrid one.
mighty swan
carry on, you crazy kids
native ether
For real though I can't wait for more nectar/ambrosia dialogue
mainly just cause it gives me fantastic persona nostalgia but also because I love it and the characters are adorable
crisp matrix
yea really liking the characters
spare iron
@native ether i love all Artemis dialogues, she's just encouraging you know. Keeps me motivated.
crisp matrix
Dionysus is just super chill, Hermes talking really fast etc.
native ether
i do kind of wish gifting characters gave you buffs for doing so, so that there was a gameplay tie to extended gifting, but I'll do it regardless lol
crisp matrix
yea it felt to me like I would get something for increasing their hearts
native ether
(besides the keepsakes)
crisp matrix
like maybe 2% more rare boon chance or sth
native ether
some of the characters do have a reward for extended gifting in the form of companions, but its super late game.
native ether
I don't think the game needs any more buffs though lol, (which is why I suggested to tie something like that to keepsake ranks, but /shrug)
spare iron
Yeah the buffs are plenty enough. Keepsake is there to complete your dialogues i guess. The entries you know
crisp iris
time to grind for nectar so I can be buddy buddies with ya THICC MAN SYSYPHUS
split arch
so the cloud pairing only comes up with Dio?
I didn't know what you were talking about whne you said Dio at first
crisp matrix
wouldn't talking to Zeus also trigger the duo boon?
stray frigate
and (i'm not sure) there can be only one who can trigger that
turbid needle
@rancid solar Okay, it was only three Greatshields and I had five Dashes, but they were all elite and the entire fight was packed on top of one of those respawning exploding eggs. I got hit twice in a spin attack. So what I'd recommend is to not commit unless you see a soul on the floor trying to respawn. I saw you mention a comment about not being able to combo, and that's just the way you have to play Greatshields. Play formulaically. If you think you have time for a full combo but know you might only have time for two hits, take the two hits and get out.
Then, when you need to kill an enemy, like a soul before it can respawn, you'll have enough HP to tank some hits.
rancid solar
got it. ill try it next time
turbid needle
this is not ok https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/660493179820441625/662368821973221437/20200102195639_1.jpg
rancid solar
I normally play with the Shield so i'll have to figure out how to do that but we'll see
ooooh there should be a training room where you can spawn enemies to fight
@boreal aspen yup that's every run for me like I said earlier. Every single time
turbid needle
Eris Rail with Lightning Strike would work that no problem.
i already had a terrible murderboat experience earlier
that's just torture
stray frigate
turbid needle
look at these boons
native ether
Those are all in different corners of the room
crisp iris
Wait do shield take environmental dmg?
native ether
so choose one and focus it, then choose the easiest one to get to, and etc
turbid needle
nah, they're in pairs
Yes.
Pairs of Greatshields are easy to work.
been having trouble with the eyeballs too, low damage output and blue shields are doing me in
native ether
this is normally why I dont run blue shields
spice prawn
i gave skelly i think 4 or 5 abrosias and now he has a lock on the next one. I guess you can only go so far. I appreciate that though but if I can't get out of where I am now the game is basically done for me haha
native ether
blue shields are harder than people realize especially in elysium
turbid needle
Scratch that, I definitely only had two Dashes in that Greatshield Trial encounter.
Blue shields are nightmarish without specific rapid-fire builds.
yeah, that's my second try with shields but it's either that or security
Like, never unless I'm running Eris or Chiron.
and i want to live through asphodel
spice prawn
same here mang
turbid needle
Take the Owl, fish for Sure Footing in Tartarus.
queen prawn
@native ether I really disagree with you on the keepsake suggestion
spice prawn
you can knock down walls and stuff and the mobs take heavy dmg
queen prawn
I don't even see a single nectar room in most runs
Tying keepsake upgrades to gifts would be MORE grinding
native ether
Nectar should be way more common than it already is in all honesty. It got worse when gemstones were added.
spice prawn
but then i read that you can also give the boulder a necter but i coudlnt get him to talk, probably have to lvl that guy up first i bet
queen prawn
Yeah if it were more common i'd be down
spice prawn
you can trade keys usually
queen prawn
since it does make sense for keepsakes to get stronger as you get closer to the character
spice prawn
i got 5 for 3 keys
turbid needle
@spice prawn it's a boulder, it doesn't talk
turbid needle
it's a boulder
spice prawn
and it gives a boon
crisp iris
Wait blue shield?
spice prawn
could be outdated its on the wiki
turbid needle
from the pact @crisp iris
crisp iris
Oh the single health protection thingy?
turbid needle
yeah
neon ridge
yes nectar, not ambrosia
strong flame
Nectars are common enough
turbid needle
I meant the Pom-infused Nectar, but also that.
strong flame
And can be traded for keys
turbid needle
you don't need that much overall
44 if you want to max everything
but that's not necessary by any means
strong flame
If you play enough you'll get a lot of all the stuff you want
But I think ambrosia is rarer than titan blood
Especially since we might use those later to increase bonds
turbid needle
yeah, it's literally twice as rare as blood
but also somewhat easier to acquire through trade
and again you don't need that much of it
realistically, 15 should be enough as of now
spare elk
God the big chariots are so scary but I kinda like it
small chariots are so easy to kite though, you can just dash over a wall and then back again to destroy like 20 of them
sturdy plank
i vanquished cereberus
any tips for whats to come
turbid needle
Don't stand in the hands. You've learned a few tricks from ||Hades||, so remember what you can do if you aren't sure what ||Hades|| is doing.
sturdy plank
what tricks from ||hades|| first time going in there
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/662380775504871425/unknown.png?width=771&height=485 not sure if that's the way to do this here but can I have some help in choosing here? I usually go for the double attack but not sure
stray frigate
same
turbid needle
Is this early in the game? What are the rest of your boons?
stray frigate
double attack and dash attack are my fav
crisp iris
Does nemean wheel explode on death, or only on attack
novel python
What was the button to show boons?
stray frigate
Tab
novel python
And yeah it's early, I'm close to first boss
crisp iris
I have not been paying much attention as I stay the hell away from them as possible
pastel jolt
@stray frigate hades aspect spin attack is "punishing sweep", zeus aspect special is "blitz disc"
stray frigate
@crisp iris both
crisp iris
Hmm
stray frigate
@pastel jolt thx. found some localization error
novel python
@turbid needle https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/662381553774493707/unknown.png?width=456&height=485 boons
turbid needle
What's that Flourish?
novel python
the lvl 2? Ares' Aid
turbid needle
Special
novel python
Ayy, nice
Let me try it out
How good is Ares' dash? It's either that or Battle Rage and I don't have any dash yet. Dash is epic, the other's only normal
turbid needle
It's an upgrade in that it's not an empty slot.
stray frigate
u just try everything)
turbid needle
def gonna kill hades no doubt https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/660493179820441625/662382279984807994/20200102204959_1.jpg
stray frigate
best dash still athena though
turbid needle
Battle Rage should boost the explosion.
novel python
@fading sandal I've got dash, succ or battle rage to choose from
Sadly can't pick both dash and succ now
fading sandal
battle rage is good for fights
but useless on most bosses
it does feel fun one shotting every minion though
crisp iris
Feel like nemean wheel should only explode on attack, but not on death
turbid needle
terrible fight, this sack of filth of a man summoned a shieldbearer with its back to the wall that kept doing its triattack
didn't even make it to phase two
disgusting
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/662384586055221287/unknown.png?width=770&height=484 I feel like taking the mark, I've got the 5% crit on everything boon from Artemis too
turbid needle
what's your weapon?
turbid needle
i'd go for deadly strike personally
novel python
Wouldn't marks bufff everything tho?
turbid needle
also enables heart rend and any other potential duo you might get
nah, you need to crit first
novel python
Ah, can I get duos this early in the game?
I do have the 5% crit from arte
5% on everything
Pressure Points
turbid needle
5% isn't that high yano
turbid needle
buffing your attack is always useful and the duo potentials on artemis are great
novel python
When do I start getting duos tho? Do I need to unlock anything first on the mirror?
coarse willow
Not on the mirror, you just need certain boons from different gods to be able to unlock them
turbid needle
aphro has a duo with artemis, so does ares but only if you have his cast upgrade
ares/artemis duo is the most powerful boon in the game fwiw
turbid needle
yeah but ares/aphro duo isn't worth thinking about tbqh
stray frigate
all other ares duo need his AA or Q
turbid needle
not call, cast
novel python
So go for aphro and hope for duo ig?
turbid needle
aphro/arte duo is good tho
novel python
@stray frigate talking about arte with aphro
sturdy plank
||do we have to kill hades twice or?||
crisp iris
For more info check the wiki
turbid needle
works well with your setup too
crisp iris
They havr all the reqs for getting duo boons
novel python
@crisp iris not sure if there are spoilers or not so id rather not touch that
crisp iris
Some duo boons need specific combination as prerequisite
crisp iris
Eh, if you just go to the boons page it shouldn't have any spoilers
Besides how to get the boons, obviously
turbid needle
@sturdy plank wdym
crisp iris
@sturdy plank yes
sturdy plank
||how many times does he regenerate to full|| @turbid needle
turbid needle
once
crisp iris
Yeah first try is always difficult
You have no clue what kind of booty whopping he boutta dish out
turbid needle
2 should be enough as long as you're not hugging him
crisp iris
You want to dash through him if you are right next to him
sturdy plank
i see
crisp iris
He dashes forward as he attacks
So dash through and behind if you're right next to him
But sideways is generally recommended
If you have good distance
sturdy plank
so i should definitely focus on maintaining a good distance and mow him down
got it
thanks!
crisp iris
Yeah if he prepares his spin attack and you're right next to him just dash thru
novel python
So duo or call?
stray frigate
take duo
crisp iris
Duo is much more consistent dmg
novel python
Aight, thanks a lot
crisp iris
Better into bosses as they tend to chunked to invul immidtately
sturdy plank
also giving nectar is a instant upgrade to the keepsake or am i throwing it away
sturdy plank
i see
tulip warren
@sturdy plank Something to keep in mind for hades his big spin attack ( 3rd hit in his combo) is that is always moves forward.
helped me alot personally
coarse willow
All spin attacks move forward for him
tulip warren
like his big spin attack shows off a certain range where he is going to hit, but it's actually deceiving. It hit's further forward cause he's moving forward
novel python
Aight, first time elysium, wish me luck
tulip warren
that big swing might be the only hit where he shows his range beforehand that might be the thing
glgl
novel python
If I only have one death defiance, purchasing kiss of styx gives me another one by any chance?
Only one unlocked*
stray frigate
u cant get EXTRA dd
tulip warren
^
novel python
rip
stray frigate
only from Chaos
or Tooth
all items from shop or boons will restablish lost DD
not will add u new
novel python
Tips for Asterius?
stray frigate
stay cllose
but always behind
remeber - he jump 2-3 times after his combo
but if u close to him
he will jump over and deal no dmg
2nd
if he charge you - dash through column and let him hit in there
turbid needle
also beating him there will make the boss fight marginally easier
turbid needle
grats
stray frigate
and pretty early
novel python
I got the artemis blessed boon room but this dude appeared fml
stray frigate
in asphodel
turbid needle
you mean asterius?
novel python
Me? Yes
turbid needle
so okay do you want a crash course on his moveset or are you alright with dying in elysium
novel python
Honestly, he was pretty pattern based
turbid needle
yeah
novel python
Or it might be the shield's crappy AA
turbid needle
aoe isn't useful on hydra tbh
novel python
Is the boss here Asterius and the spear dude
turbid needle
yep
novel python
I've KINDA seen them on yt but it was a clown fiesta
Something about killing one first before the other enrages iirc?
turbid needle
it's just asterius with his normal moveset and theseus throws his spear while you're far and spins when you're close
novel python
Also, does dash attacks count as basic attacks for Crit Boons?
turbid needle
yes
novel python
Good, I might have screwed up a bit by taking the double attack daedalus tho
turbid needle
nah, it's a goodn
barren plume
Breaking wave is slamming people into walls right?
turbid needle
yes
novel python
It does damage but I need to stay in place to attack the enemy and they don't flinch
And it's an easy way to get hit
barren plume
Can't post a screenshot of my choices rn, But I have Poseidon flood shot, Aid, and breaking wave for my choices rn. I have poseidon's attack and rupture with shield right now.
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/662393958281773086/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 I could also use a hand here whenever possible
turbid needle
aid is always good, the cast depends on your weapon and breaking wave is pretty terrible
stray frigate
wow beat ex hydra without deaths
turbid needle
hunter dash would be good
stray frigate
@novel python what weapon
novel python
Or that
turbid needle
flourish also disables your duo
novel python
@stray frigate shield
stray frigate
hunter dash 100%
novel python
So dash around the enemy and hit dash attacks while weakened?
barren plume
So I'm assuming I'm gonna go with his aid?
stray frigate
y
barren plume
Is upgrading rupture worth anygood
turbid needle
Sure.
barren plume
Or should I just continue upgrading poseidon's strike.
turbid needle
as you keep upgrading a boon the upgrades get worse
barren plume
Yeah, I'm on lvl 2 of it so far
turbid needle
you want everything useful to you at lvl2-3, if you're focused on one single thing you can go all out but it gets diminushing returns
i'd go for the rupture upgrade unless you get more than 15% from your strike upgrade
pastel jolt
whyyyyyy would they ask me to make this choice ;A;
turbid needle
black out and hope for feast later
you'll get more chances to pick it up than black out
pastel jolt
yeah
turbid needle
your build is gonna be great with this kinda setup in aspho
barren plume
fading sandal
choose nasty dash
novel python
barren plume
My first legendary
pastel jolt
....i could get it the very next room if i'm willign to give up this shot at a hammer lmao
turbid needle
@novel python hermes, always
pastel jolt
though honestly if i want feast that badly i'll just take zeus's boon into elysium
novel python
+1 dash or +15 dodge
fading sandal
dodge
novel python
I have double dash from mirror on
barren plume
I really want to take the legendary for the sake of it being a legendary and it being my first one but I don't need another dd
turbid needle
yeah that's unpickable
solid cairn
Who’s gotten the chaos death defiance thing yet
novel python
Also, with the shield, when do you use the attack hold?
Besides when you want to block stuff
solid cairn
I have
fading sandal
question on hermes slow, how does it work, is it just movespeed or also attack speed, never took it before
turbid needle
to rush thru fools
barren plume
@solid cairn I just got it and I'm debating on taking it lol
turbid needle
i think it's just ms @fading sandal
tulip warren
charge up when the enemies are spawning can be good
barren plume
Should prob take it for the scroll fate thing huh
solid cairn
It’s good
turbid needle
it's still great tho @fading sandal
tulip warren
hermes is slow is great
barren plume
Wish I didn't get TIS EVERY GOSH DARN TIME.
turbid needle
even with two dashes you're slowing every relevant enemy forever @fading sandal
stray frigate
had a boon from poseidon with some random gifts
and accidently opened the gate((((
turbid needle
rip
stray frigate
Ans there was chaos gates from vessel((((
turbid needle
aight sure but fwiw it's hermes's best boon
stray frigate
i want to quit so hard rn
barren plume
I used to focus theseus first and get absolutely stomped. Now I clear it with ease while focusing minotaur first
novel python
I might die here, I have no dds and like half hp or a bit more than half
barren plume
What wep?
novel python
Shield
barren plume
hrm
novel python
What if they do the holy rain of arrows bs
turbid needle
you're probably a dead man walking tbh but that's just how experiencing a boss for the first time goes
yeah that's why you focus asterius and not theseus
barren plume
^
novel python
Well I've got to theseus in my first 10 runs
turbid needle
once theseus gets below half hp he starts doing fun stuff
novel python
I guess I'm better than average 😂
Let's hope my special won't just chunk theseus too fast
🙏 for me
solid cairn
I always go for Theseus first because I hate him
turbid needle
petition to remove theseus from the game
solid cairn
The true final boss is just a big shield
ancient shoal
Theseus is an a hole
turbid needle
have you tried ex theseus yet cinder?
solid cairn
No
turbid needle
you're gonna love him
stray frigate
that should be something i guess
novel python
Aight how exactly am I supposed to attack theseus without him blocking
I got asterius out with ease
But I got speared
😦
turbid needle
small vulnerability window after he throws his spear
barren plume
when he tosses his tooth pick and brings it back he does a cha cha slide.
turbid needle
some status effects also work but that's the main thing
i think doom pierces the shield
and an upgrade on the rail does so too
split fiber
Kill Asterius first. Make sure he reaches his bubble threshold and use full Artemis aid to kill him
barren plume
The rocket launcher special can hit if you get him with a wall
turbid needle
is it just me or is getting an athena boon really rare
barren plume
^
turbid needle
nah, it's as common as the other gods
i get her basically every run for some reason
also just use her keepsake dumdum
solid cairn
I almost never get ares anymore
barren plume
I get ares every single run.
turbid needle
90% of my runs have poseidon somewhere, stop complaining
barren plume
I like poseidon tho.....
barren plume
you're garb
turbid needle
heck you buddy
barren plume
heck you goober
barren plume
fine get out then
turbid needle
i never get athena or ares
and rarely get dionysus
it sucks because i really like athena
her boons fit my playstyle
novel python
Is there any way to reset the darkness boost on a weapon?
I've got it on the locked one
barren plume
Ares, dionysus, and poseidon are the most common for me
barren plume
Why does nobody acknowledge the zeus and poseidon duo
turbid needle
hermes i ALWAYS get in asphodel
barren plume
^^^ I think that's just what occurs
hasty flint
I think it's impossible to get him any time before then
turbid needle
ah
hasty flint
Unless it's from Charon's shop
turbid needle
makes sense since a lot of his stuff is passive
barren plume
^
turbid needle
you'd be relatively underpowered
hasty flint
True
turbid needle
like, it's incredibly useful when you have your basic kit set up so you can do damage, because then it adds another dimension to combat
but if you haven't gotten at least a few boons or other boosts you'd just be lacking damage
barren plume
Fighting hades or hydra with shield with nothing but hermes boons
novel python
Rolling eclipse from Chaos feels too good to pass
But damn +71% more enemies
First stage
turbid needle
the resource boons from chaos aren't worth much tbqh
you'll get enough darkness in time
50 runs in and i've been maxed out for a while
is there a way to go boonless?
yes
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/662402251461230621/unknown.png?width=861&height=485 tbh that one is the only one that's worth from here imo
I don't feel the cast one
turbid needle
pick as few boons as possible and sell them at the purging pools you find @turbid needle
novel python
And the other would kill me in no time
novel python
1/10
turbid needle
i wanna know if it kills you instantly
novel python
claps
turbid needle
nice haha
turbid needle
oh def, taking one hit happens
fading sandal
what level are you on?
novel python
first
fading sandal
tartarus minibosses are easy though?
barren plume
The wave boys are annoying
novel python
But there goes my dd
turbid needle
being at 26hp is infinitely better than 1
turbid needle
night!
stray frigate
4 heat my record for now
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/662404255042502694/unknown.png?width=654&height=484 Should I change anything around
turbid needle
pretty good tbh
pastel jolt
fingers crossed y'all
turbid needle
@novel python it's fine rn but if you get enough darkness to get another dd while removing boiling blood and the extra cast, do it
novel python
Aight then, thank
stray frigate
gl man
novel python
@pastel jolt gl buddy
stray frigate
rail is op
turbid needle
@pastel jolt you don't even need a gl, it's in the bag, go kill your dad
turbid needle
aid ig, special is nice with the relevant hammer tho
turbid needle
you'd rather have zeus or ares on special ofc
but dio can be functional with dread flight or however it's called
stray frigate
ok gl everybody
pastel jolt
(they, not he)
pastel jolt
haha, i got into phase 2 and died instantly to an urn trap :'D
barren plume
Guess the image isn't gonna show
novel python
Aaand I got the dread flight
Just now
dread flight, minotaur rush or explosive return
barren plume
Option of Areas Urge to kill, Slicing shot, or impending doom. Urge and impending doom are epic and slicing is rare
turbid needle
Impending Doom.
impending doom is nice with doom on your special
and good overall
also try to fish for the athena duo now
going special/dash wins the run for you
and you've already got nearly all of the relevant parts
barren plume
Oh I have athena dash and I have shield with doom special
turbid needle
i know
barren plume
I get the double curse bonus due to rupture which is neat
turbid needle
the image is still there, the thumb is just not showing up
barren plume
Oh It was a black screen for me.
turbid needle
weird
barren plume
ye
turbid needle
anyway impending doom
gray lintel
i've always been concerned about quick recovery
like what does it mean "shortly after"
can you just spam dashes and heal everything
barren plume
OH LAWD
I just did a trove trial and the minions it spawned were the hecking suicidal cat cart boyos and a single large one. Just got 95 health for free baybeeee.
Not interested in the cast but I can't decide to take faster special or faster attack.
turbid needle
faster special is nice on the shield
also your special is probs doing more than your attack with your current setup
barren plume
That's the one I went with so yehaw
novel python
I've got the trial between dio and zeus, which ones worse to fight
barren plume
Dio imo
turbid needle
but the difference is minor
barren plume
for fighting it is
Who'd you say is the worst to piss off. I think the easiest is aphro
turbid needle
artemis by far
poseidon can be a pain in elysium from what i've heard
and athena depending on your setup
novel python
I also have the +attack while 3 or more enemies are poisoned
turbid needle
vintage is also good but it's a little late already
novel python
It's aspho
turbid needle
yeah dash then
novel python
any duo between aphro and zeus / dio?
turbid needle
i know it is but tbh vintage is mostly useful when you pick it in tartarus
yeah, if you get dio's cast
tipsy shot
novel python
rip
I've seen it epic
But I don't really like that
Not that it doesn't do damage
But the smoke is.. lackluster
turbid needle
the duo makes it rain lighning in the cloud as long as it stays up
the smoke is good
turbid needle
?
turbid needle
gj
glossy plaza
tfw the same seed you kept resetting in your 32 heat run never give you the perfect RNG but as soon as you change it to 29 heat, it gives the perfect RNG in everything
why do game sux
barren plume
I got seastorm too LOL
glossy plaza
everything from like Epic Poison Special from Dio, to Hermes' +3 dashes and then Athena's dash
why can't my 32 heat run get that kind of RNG, game would be so easy
barren plume
Grats
strong zealot
ty ty
novel python
What happens if I gift nectar to the chaos|?
turbid needle
you get their keepsake
novel python
Ah so nectar is only keepsakes?
Who would you say it's better to get in the beginning? I got the sissiphus one, but it's mehish
turbid needle
most are good, dusa and sisy are worthless
crisp iris
I really just want dual stick on controllers, I want to kite effectively on controllers
warped temple
what is the best infernal arm? :3
for fast runs probably
turbid needle
nah, spearpoint is the main lategame trinket
@warped temple shield is op, sword is good if you wanna go fast, rail is great, bow is slow but safe, spear exists
turbid needle
Shield or Rail.
warped temple
ty a lot ppl :3
crisp iris
So far I've had high success with Hera Aspect on Bow
Rail I struggle because controller
i gues I need to be on KBM for rail and bow
turbid needle
after trying 16 heat it feels like hera would fall off hard at high heat
it's pretty great otherwise
barren plume
Triple or twin shot on bow. Got ares attack on rn
turbid needle
Triple.
spare cobalt
Twin shot's way better than triple, in my opinion.
The range decrease isn't that hard to deal with for double damage and double proc efficiency. Triple shot, meanwhile, usually doesn't hit even a second target, much less a third.
barren plume
Does ares have a duo with dio?
turbid needle
no
spare cobalt
He's got them with Artemis, Zeus, Aphrodite, and Athena.
turbid needle
stoic ginkgo
Hera Aspect
mild crag
32 heat with sword ye I unno about that lol
dense token
sword can be pretty broken too!
mild crag
Broken in what way
Not the good way usually
Too unsafe for high heat
There's a reason 90% of people do their high heat runs with the shield
Sword and shield are two ends of the safety spectrum
crisp iris
@novel python for bow ai'd say get very, very used to dash attack power shot
plush garnet
do boons that increase attack power stack?
crisp iris
Because that'll be your primary source of dmg harder the game gets
dense token
sword's pretty safe if you play right tbh, just a bit harder to get a good build going
crisp iris
But then again if you get Dio or Ares on Special then you can just apply DOTs and breeze thru the runs
solid cairn
sword has some of the highest damage in the game
dense token
yea
solid cairn
also, Koss, I maxed out Hestia but reverted back cuz it wasn't super fun now it's just level 4
mild crag
Also I'm not sure how you can consider sword safe
You can avoid getting hit if you know what you're doing yeah
But it's unsafe
solid cairn
Instead, I put poseidon level 4
solid cairn
hey at least it's better than spear usually
dense token
i'd actually say spear is probably safer than sword but getting good builds on that thing is uh
yeah no
solid cairn
I don't like spear's attack
crisp iris
The main safety comes from the fact that they have much more range than sword
Range=distance=safety
mild crag
Spear attack is suck but its dash attack and special are great
High heat viable weapon
azure bone
Imo gun with poseidan buff is safest possible
mild crag
Usually Zagreus aspect
solid cairn
oh so easy to level
azure bone
Only reason gun isnt always safest is cause it lacks a stagger to inturrupt ranged enemies
azure bone
Special for.. spear?
solid cairn
yes
azure bone
Spear special id just the throw
Zag aspect makes it faster with longer range
Which you then combine with rocket throw on hammer
mild crag
No no you get the one which gives you increased damage and 50% crit on return
Or the armor shred one
mild crag
Oh yes
dire cedar
@dense token What heat did you have?
mild crag
There's a picture up earlier, 32 heat
dire cedar
Yeah 32, but which heat combos?
mild crag
O
barren plume
Spear with the range increase is hilarious for stun loc
mild crag
Not budget cuts at least that's all I can tell lol
azure bone
I always run the dash spear myseld with , but thats cause the mobility it grants is so amazing
smoky oasis
So, given that I am like little baby who doesn't have enough blood for hera aspect, how on earth do I do anything with the bow? Especially against those shield nerds in Elysium, but just in general it feels super slow and awkward to play
dire cedar
I find the spear to be awkward for my playstyle. i gotta work on it.
barren plume
I thought the same about shield and then found out how to shield
azure bone
My solution for bow is to not play bow
dire cedar
@smoky oasis I did a 20 heat run w/ Chiron. Only need Aphro attack and Dio special. Everything else is cherry on top.
novel python
sniper shot vs triple shot? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/662433633566720007/unknown.png?width=861&height=485
solid cairn
wasn't chiron like super op and then nerfed
azure bone
Sniper
turbid needle
Yeah.
azure bone
Triple is awful
dire cedar
@novel python dependson playsyle. i prefer sniper.
turbid needle
Triple is good.
solid cairn
@smoky oasis save up for hera aspect
dense token
i'll take a screenshot after this run nanato
turbid needle
Depends on the specific build.
novel python
you've got the boons on the left
dire cedar
I'm terrbile on hera aspect.
solid cairn
you only need the first level
dense token
also yeah budget cuts is free but i didnt want to reset my darkness
solid cairn
I don't like it personally but you don't need to lean hard into it at all
dense token
too lazy
smoky oasis
Does hera aspect just ramp the shot damage up that much?
solid cairn
you want dio cast
solid cairn
not needed at all
dire cedar
Chiron aspect benefits from more blood, hera not much.
smoky oasis
My biggest thing with bow is that in the time it took me to power shot three times I could have smashed through everyone with my shield
mild crag
Budget cuts level 1 makes the game considerably harder
solid cairn
then why do people use it over achilles
mild crag
Or at least a lot less consistent
It's projectile speed and range
And people use it over achilles and hades because they give almost no benefit
dense token
i didnt notice a difference when i was playing hell mode really with budget cuts
you only really lose rarity
mild crag
I think it's fated authority stacks can't be underestimated
solid cairn
unless you have tight deadline
dense token
i did take jury summons + tight deadline
solid cairn
or the one that gives each enemy a free hit
dense token
both maxed
solid cairn
which is brutal with sword and almost a non-issue with rail btw
solid cairn
I was talking about how conditions that nerf you rather than buffing enemies are dumb, someone told me the only one that did that was budget cuts, but no choice exists
mild crag
Maxing tight deadline is monkaS in elysium
solid cairn
would y'all consider heightened security to be free heat
mild crag
Depends
turbid needle
If you aren't taking EM, sometimes.
crisp iris
Does Extra Measures force only Meg to appear on Fury runs or do they take turns
turbid needle
They rotate.
crisp iris
Ngl extra measures aren't big a deal tbh
mild crag
It's free til you walk into a trap and feel the regret
crisp iris
At least for Meg
dense token
yeah I had my deadline run out in elysium that run, no patroclus either
mild crag
Extreme measures is only hard for hydra
dense token
thank god for thanatos pausing tight deadline btw
solid cairn
can someone rank difficulty of conditions from easiest to hardest based on them alone and how hard they are on high heat with all other conditions active
mild crag
Imagine being happy to see than in elysium
dense token
yeah
crisp iris
I just go "THADDY YES"