you need 10 diamonds
#h1-builds-and-combat
prisma zephyr
basically go gift sisyphus/thanatos/megaera/skelly nectar and ambrosia
novel tapir
then skelly
azure bone
I'd say skele or thanatos
prisma zephyr
skelly absolutely cheeses some elite fights
azure bone
thanatos can hit a boss for half HP (minotaur specifically)
prisma zephyr
tartarus' elite, megagorgon + giant skullcrusher and double butterfly
he's also good on the barge of death but he dies easily there, but can help you get through one wave
azure bone
I imagine thanatos could one hit megagorgon combo no?
or at least strip armor in one hit
prisma zephyr
i've never tried with than on that
split arch
anyone else that isn't finished wanna share theirs?
azure bone
novel tapir
so sisyphus drops a boulder
and spawns a bunch of stuff
but mainly
it spawns burritos
azure bone
Sisyphus drops boulder, megara does a giant line of circle hits (Like when she helps other furies).
prisma zephyr
megaera's does a bunch of aoe's in a line that deal 2k damage each
azure bone
thanatos is a 4k damage hit on a delay
prisma zephyr
thanatos does one aoe (the one you see him do during the event) that does 3k damage
sisyphus drops a boulder which does 1k damage, but drops darkness, health and gold
azure bone
skelly taunts everything to attack him and face tanks it
prisma zephyr
and also you can kill him faster by accident too
novel tapir
Yeah you can also hit him
mild crag
Oh that's tragic
novel tapir
I'm sure he would just shrug it off and say "thats what they pay me for boyo"
mild crag
So skelly is the best choice?
prisma zephyr
yeah as long as you don't have peanut damage you can cheese most elite fights with it
novel tapir
Yeah if you max out lasting consequences skelly is the best
azure bone
you can combine it with nyx so that each use full heals you just about
since both the darkness & health drops will heal you
and with like 4 uses thats a lot of healing
native cipher
imho i will always shill mort
being able to skip the theseus fight is such a godsend
azure bone
mort?
prisma zephyr
thanatos' keepsake
mild crag
I'm using 75% atm
azure bone
ah
mild crag
Lasting consequences that is
novel tapir
I would still go for skelly
azure bone
Even with lasting consequences bouldy + nyx keepsake is a lot of self healing
novel tapir
not being able to use the full heal from sisyphus is a big deal breaker
mild crag
Just the difference between 75% and literally no healing is too much a jump for 1 Heat lol
novel tapir
Yeah
do you have prices increased as well
because the gold is not gonna come in handy either
azure bone
imo price increases doesn't even seem that bad once you have some fated authority (which isn't available in hell mode so its kinda redundant)
since you can just always reroll gold into other stuff
and just skip all the shops
mild crag
Yeah 100% price increase
I don't skip shops in elysium at least
Need the time save lol
They count as Chambers right?
prisma zephyr
ye
mild crag
Okay good lol
sleek yew
Hi - I don't know if this is a gameplay or tech question but I'm wondering whether the construction job ||releasing Orpheus|| is meant to be random or triggered by something in particular? I know I saw it before fighting the second boss but not since in probably 10-15 runs. Am I just extremely unlucky?
prisma zephyr
if you mean ||sisyphus|| then it's done by ||gifting sisyphus enough times until you get the thing to free him||
oh you mean making it appear?
mild crag
Chaos does
prisma zephyr
it should always be there tho
mild crag
I'm not sure about erebus
prisma zephyr
at the top
mild crag
But it's an encounter anyway
sleek yew
No I meant a job I saw at home which costs ||a diamond||
sleek yew
It just hasn't come back as a purchase option since I saw it (before being able to buy it) which is weird
prisma zephyr
try replacing the drapery and stuff i guess?
novel tapir
That seems normal
afaik that "event" first shows up randomly
you probably have gone through the whole dialogue before
sleek yew
I spoke to Achilles about him briefly but all the construction options are super expensive now. Well if it's not a known thing then I guess I'm just unlucky and have to wait. I'll try to buy another thing and see what happens.
novel tapir
it should show up fairly often after first seeing it though
sleek yew
I've definitely not seen it once in over 10 runs and for sure I've not bought it.
novel tapir
I don't know for sure if that is a bug or not
maybe you still have a lot of things left to buy
I can't tell for sure
sleek yew
It does feel weird that it showed up so long ago and now my cheapest purchase options are 80 coins. I suppose I could submit it just in case.
Thanks for the help.
turbid needle
it's random
azure bone
I'm not gonna lie, I'm VERY tempted to just cheat/hack a ton of gems
because the costs are way out of line for the amount you get
turbid needle
they added a condition that makes it pop in the contractor early
but it might only be once and then back to random after that? which would suck a fair bit
gem costs are alright once you get upgraded troves (except for the 2k/5k gem sinks but that's on purpose)
diamonds are a pain tho, esp in regards to orpheus' songs
native cipher
tbh im not really struggling with diamonds
so long as you're doing runs with a variety on weapons with appropriate heat levels you should be topped off on everything
turbid needle
10 diamonds for a song
is a little steep
i'm topped off on everything but i'm purposefully not buying the songs bc i'd be poor in an instant
native cipher
im pretty sure the songs are like the gem sinks
turbid needle
yeah fair enough but i've still got other things to do with my diamonds rn
like buying sisy's contract when it eventually shows up
native cipher
sisy's contract?
mild crag
To free sisyphus
native cipher
spoilers.
mild crag
Well spoilers are allowed in gameplay soo
split arch
@azure bone damn dude you're nuts I just started playing like a week ago and have been playing it a lot (steam). I wish I had the boon keepsakes maxed out
besides if anyone joins the discord gameplay channel and it would be weird not to expect risk of spoilers
crisp iris
so I wasn't expecting to essentially one shot ||HAdes||
but good god I got giga lucky with this build
split arch
whats the duo?
and what does the athena call mod do
the one that looks like a gorillaz dude
mild crag
Merciful End and Scintillating Feast
split arch
whats merciful end
mild crag
Trigger doom on deflect attacks
mild crag
And feast is enemies in festive fog get struck by lightning
So basically you apply doom, trigger it, apply again
Dps gets huge
split arch
pretty nutty
mild crag
The athena call is become impervious and deflect for a period
dense finch
is it just me or is the bow garbage tier compared to the other weapons
native cipher
not just you
dense finch
like even with getting perfectly timed shots for bonus damage it doesnt feel as strong as other weapons with normal use
native cipher
its the lowest dps of any weapon. all it really has going for it is range which stops being a factor elysium onwards.
karmic coyote
bow is anything but bad
ember raven
Some weapons are obviously better than others. For now looks like sword and bow are least liked by players
mild crag
I don't like bow nah
dense finch
sword has some overpowered builds that go with it, ive never managed to make the bow feel good
ember raven
But I think that it's better than sword
native cipher
i think its fun to use tho. hera aspect especially. its more important for the weapons in this game to feel unique than it is for them all to be equal in power
sword has some insane dps and clear time, its an issue of its dangerous
zero range, zero defense. you have to play borderline perfect with sword
that said, my fastest clears are with the sword
dense finch
the bow would probably be fine if the rail didnt exist
dense finch
i can see the hera bow getting decent, but why not just play a cast build
idk i feel like there needs to be more reward for hitting the shot timing
karmic coyote
i'm honestly surprised how some people can find Chiron and Hera bow bad, bow has the most consistent aspects
dense finch
like why bother putting in the effort do time shots when you can just do triple special on rail and instakill everything
mild crag
Hestia is just better bow rly
karmic coyote
Hera bow is the best at burst damage
dense finch
differing playstyles are only fun if they feel powerful
native cipher
yeah hera bow with artemis ups melt things
dense finch
playing the bow is torture after feeling how strong the other weapons get
native cipher
then dont play it
dense finch
i like variety :<
karmic coyote
Artemis, Dio, Aphrodite or even Ares cast with the duo boon work great with Hera bow
native cipher
bows current issues are with numbers imho
karmic coyote
why buff something that is already good
mild crag
They play differently but it feels the ranged big hitter niche better
dense finch
all im hearing is that the bow is good in one specific instance
wheres the playstyle variety there
karmic coyote
then those people know nothing about bow
dense finch
buff the bow!
native cipher
bows issues are:
low base damage
low attack speed
immobile/vulnerable attacks
native cipher
the reason hera's aspect is so good is because it changes your damage from scaling with base damage to scaling with cast daamge
the second and third drawbacks are largely part of the bow's core design and meaningul tradeoffs to the intended playstyle. but the low base damage is whats holding it back
dense finch
best part of the bow for me atm is deflect special
native cipher
oh the special is terrible without aspects, but its fantastic once you get some
azure bone
Wow I just lost a run cause of a bug
native cipher
i think that the knockback with poseidon aspect on the bow could be beefier
azure bone
hades did his Aoe with the jars, and it didn't break any jars
dense finch
i cant figure out how to make the special work for damage at all
but using it for utility is great
sleek yew
it seemed neat with the boon that applies weak
azure bone
So like I had to fight him with a room full of jars
native cipher
how to deal damage with bow special:
make it apply doom
dense finch
i think buffing the timed shot damage on bow would go a long way to making it feel unique and fun
its a skill ceiling the other weapons dont really have
it should be rewarded more
native cipher
again, bow's base damage is really low. the way you make it work on higher heats is by getting it to scale with things other than its base damage.
karmic coyote
you have to do it at some point anyway because he can summon the jars without using aoe afterward, happens to me all the time
native cipher
at least at the moment
prisma zephyr
it's almost impossible to pass elysium with damage control + tight deadline with bow
karmic coyote
what bow, damage control doesn't affect Chiron bow at all
prisma zephyr
ye
i don't really think it's too viable at the higher heats unless you try for very specific things though
mild crag
viability does narrow for a lot of weapons at high heat yeah
native cipher
high heat's weapon options really just boil down to shield or rail
prisma zephyr
spear as well
native cipher
thing about high heat runs is that the safest options win out above all
while the sword is fastest, its also the most dangerous and the most punishing
bow's the slowest, least effiecient, and most immoblie so there's a hard heat limit where it stops being viable
shield gives so much for free and does everything really well while also being an incredibly safe weapon
rail and spear have the safety provided by high range while also having reasonable speed and clear times
woeful stirrup
Bow is great, spear is bad. That's been my experience playing the game for over 100 hours. Depends on the person playing, is all, bow fits me.
native cipher
what heat you playing on?
mild crag
spear's attack is bad, but the special is abusable
native cipher
spear's dash attack is exceptional
mild crag
i was thinking of spin and normal attack when i said that but i agree with the dash attack being great
massive aoe
prisma zephyr
sounds about right
sleek yew
@novel tapir @turbid needle buying the next upgrade (80 coins) finally served up the right job for the guy I mentioned so seems there's just a couple roadblocks after the first time you see it
severe horizon
Hello ! I'm starting to grind the gemstones for the house are the big 5000 and 3000 the only big purchases ?
(don't have the name in my head for these one)
native cipher
those are end-game sinks. purely cosmetic
karmic coyote
sorry to say but there is more, 1 or 2 more i don't remember exactly
stray frigate
i saw columns for 2k as i remeber
severe horizon
I know it's end game but that's the only things I'm missing and the songs to unlock so :D
Ok ok ty just need to grind more so :)
stray frigate
seems so(
turbid needle
@stray frigate https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/660493179820441625/660493338356744192/20191228153639_1.jpg
mild crag
To mock Meg no doubt
stray frigate
how many heat is it
mild crag
5 heat
turbid needle
nah, that was just to give 0 darkness a shot, in case it's necessary to beat the game post 1.0
mild crag
Still you have your other upgrades
stray frigate
@mild crag house?
mild crag
@stray frigate whatcha mean
turbid needle
i might try it on a nude file later on
stray frigate
what other upgrades
azure bone
And summon
mild crag
Also you're weaker on the first run of the game
mild crag
You can't get Aphro, Zeus or Artemis
There's some other stuff
But I forget specifics
mild crag
It's been done yeah
But it's rough
Not sure about this patch but I think it was done last patch
turbid needle
i'll have to give it a shot sometime
turbid needle
probably easier than 32 heat still
ember raven
Do some columns drop gold in ||Asphodel|| only or other biomes can have columns with gold too?
ember raven
and only while you're in combat
So that's why I couldn't see consistency in this. Thanks
split arch
@turbid needle wow! no attack boon wth?! also that legendary boon is pretty cool!
@turbid needle do you have everything on your mirror maxed?
turbid needle
on that run no, my mirror was empty
but normally yes, except for fated authority because that costs 165k to max out and i'm not doing that
granite vine
5 epics with no passive boost, yike
turbid needle
pure skill babyy
none of my boons were good though except for hermes, aphro special and aphro's leg
grim adder
is gold for combat columns kills only post-contractor upgrade, or always there?
azure bone
Wait that 0 darkness build up aboce is chiron right?
turbid needle
ye
azure bone
Because that build is legit op. The 15% charm chance is every arrow from the bow
turbid needle
ye
azure bone
Hades just stands still when you are shooting him
grim adder
I've found how multiple arrows/shields works to be occasionally inconsistent
turbid needle
got that on the last room tho, the run wasn't free by any means
grim adder
like you can't trigger doom multiple times with the duo boon
azure bone
If its a buff, its each cast
grim adder
and you don't get multiple explosions with shield return
azure bone
I imagine shield return only counts the shield returning in the sense of 'able to attaxk again'
split arch
is infernal gate worth it?
stray frigate
so is it a bug
granite vine
lol
turbid needle
you gotta have 5+ heat to use them
grim adder
I'm pretty sure the infernal gates offer side-boons, so they increase your overall count
turbid needle
so base your decision off that to start with
grim adder
plus you get 3 exits to choose from
turbid needle
5 in tartarus, 10 in asphodel, 15 in elysium
grim adder
but I'm not sure about them being side-rooms or if they do increase the number of chambers you go through
turbid needle
they're considered to be a whole room
grim adder
aren't they 'bonus' rooms, though? because if you fail them, that'd leave you with one less boon in the overall run if they were not
same with chaos rooms, they don't subtract from the number of chambers in a run, they're to the side
kind sigil
ooh, did not know that
so unless you don't want the boon. always take chaos?
pure upside
turbid needle
nah, they do subtract if i'm not mistaken
grim adder
hmm
so not only do chaos boons have an upside and a downside, they also substitute a slot that you'd otherwise get a boon in
turbid needle
you can manipulate them to have one more room in a biome but the next will have one less
yes
but you also sometimes get a chaos room instead of blue laurel rewards and that's 100% worth it
grim adder
on a side note, it'd be interesting to see a tree/graph showing all the choices you made in a run
maybe even a running total of health, obol, etc.
grim adder
yeah! I guess that's what I was thinking
that'd be a good iteration of the map. maybe a fair bit of work
granite vine
would make it an actual map, too
grim adder
there's no reason you couldn't have the rooms in miniature form and procedurally pieced together. after all, you always physically arrive at the bottom and move up
I believe all the rooms are fixed tiles so you can have a map-piece version of them
granite vine
oop, chaos boon for -3 hp per attack on rail
woeful stirrup
Guessing the payoff is worth it?
Gonna have to rely on bombarding and cast for a while though, 3hp with rail is quite a lot of damage.
stray frigate
@granite vine i had almost same
karmic coyote
at least rail special can carry in those time, still way better than sword and bow in that situation
stray frigate
but with shield
and when it was last room i had T&M
...
i won but lost 2 DD
with some zeus dash
and some special
granite vine
passion dash into a room of mines, whee
stray frigate
u mean catwheels?
woeful stirrup
Sword special is good enough to stand on its own. Bow special, true, if you don't have the right hammer, it's not usually good enough to fully take care of a room.
Yes.
zinc oasis
Cool de voir des FR ici
stray frigate
@azure bone u can cancel it with dash as i remeber
azure bone
Err animation delay
I know yiu can cancel spear spin with dash but not sword Q afaik.
woeful stirrup
There's a few french people there. Seen them in #hades-localization trying to help with the translation. I still need to start a new save file for that purpose.
karmic coyote
sword special is good enough for the first 2 areas maybe, Elysium is hell with it cause not enough range or too slow without the right hammer upgrades
zinc oasis
Oh I see, Idk this channel was for this purpose, I will take a look when I'm back in France
woeful stirrup
If you're taking a Chaos boon that forces you to use a special you have never upgraded in Elysium, you must be all kinds of crazy, or the bait was truly delicious.
grim adder
can you get exclusive access before Eurydice?
karmic coyote
i tried using bow special only before, dash close to the enemies special then dash way, you already know how it ended
stray frigate
before what?
grim adder
typo/autocorrect
stray frigate
grim adder
apparently Eurydice and Euripides are close enough?
grim adder
I swear the pact that remove choices deliberately targets the best ones
stray frigate
btw i cant say there was a good cjoice
granite vine
oh wow it shows you what you've lost? that's just feelsbad times
grim adder
it's called the pact of punishment for a reason
stray frigate
but i have good call and cood cast
y
i guess so
too bad deflected poison doesnt count as curse effect)))
split arch
okay sword is best now
grim adder
I hate Styx poison so much
turbid needle
pretty good
did you get a +dash upgrade before?
still an instapick either way but yano
turbid needle
why didn't you take that leg it's one of hermes's best boons are you nuts
grim adder
some of the pact options are really hard first time
security measures I struggled with the most
turbid needle
deadline is the only one that scared me
stray frigate
turbid needle
and i'm never using it with other heat conditions
stray frigate
low budget is only thing left
turbid needle
ez
stray frigate
i saw)
turbid needle
:^)
grim adder
I hate low budget because you have to back and forth with the mirror
turbid needle
nah but you can get 2dd, extra dash, regen etc on low budget 1
it's aight
2.5k is a lot
grim adder
it's also a major nerf given how much you have to drop for it
turbid needle
for the first level? not really
grim adder
the boon rarities are huge
turbid needle
you're dropping boon chances and fated auth, maybe a couple levels on the rest
eh
not really
or you could go for 25% epic chance and nothing else
probably viable
grim adder
I mean, most of these you can put an obol cost on as you can get them elsewhere, so maybe you can actually cost most of them
grim adder
61st? 😉
split arch
https://prnt.sc/qiin3n lul 52% (I died bunch of times to make it 40 the rest were legit deaths). First time doing the timed run but I understand it doesnt' mean anything since I had god boon on
I should just start playing with it off
I played a bunch without it then I got the taste
stray frigate
yes thx
turbid needle
you might get slapped for a couple runs without it
stray frigate
61st
grim adder
I think it took me 20 runs just to get past the first biome and maybe 100 to start clearing at all
I'm still picking up tactics for extreme measures
I haven't even tried it vs the third boss, part of me is reluctant because it's a long way to go to practice against
turbid needle
dang, were you playing on hell mode or sth
cleared it on my 16th attempt and apparently that's slower than average
pastel jolt
it took me about 25 runs or so to get past meg when i first started playing, but that was back in 2018 when the game first released
grim adder
meg got a lot easier
stray frigate
@pastel jolt it was harder imo
pastel jolt
so it was a lot harder and i wasn't as experienced
grim adder
I'm sure darkness etc. was a little stingier early on too
pastel jolt
mhm
grim adder
didn't have chaos boons, legendaries, duos
grim adder
"when I was young"
pastel jolt
i have a video of my first-ever kill of the hydra and sometimes i go back and watch it just to be like "wow, the game really used to be like this huh"
split arch
alright I'm doing a 3 heat no god boon run to try to grow some hair on my chest. I've beaten 0 heat no god boon and some 1 to 2 heat god boon only on hades. but now I'm goign to try to do 3 heat no god boon ever like a real man shoudl
unborn trellis
what do you do if you are forced to take a boon?
pastel jolt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJRBqDzf4vA this was on patch...... 4 or 5, i think, depending on when exactly i played (bc dec 14 was a patch day)
spice prawn
I got 12 hours in and regardless of what weapon or combo of things I never make it past the hydra, only once
pastel jolt
we're now up to patch 034, for reference
spark shuttle
the more upgrades you do etc. the easier it will become
spice prawn
for some reason the game is quite linear for me, like there will only be one door
unborn trellis
some chambers do only have one door
spice prawn
and it will be for darkness and suicide bombers when im using bow or some thing terrible
spark shuttle
usually the first 3 or so are 1 dors
and there are some single ones scattered around
spice prawn
just keep plugging away i suppose
everything gives eventually if you keep throwing bodies at it
unborn trellis
hard to give advice without knowing how you play
spice prawn
well i unlocked the weapons and used titan to upgrade all but the spear one level
i like the sword tbh but its just dash and mash mostly
unborn trellis
but sounds like a purely mechanical problem, like not dodging enough, instead of upgrade choice
spice prawn
so i prefer shield and been trying to get a decent combo of zeus and ares but no dice
spice prawn
thats all i do though dash everywhere
spark shuttle
and what artefacts have you unlocked?
split arch
yo so my hunter dash is not doing damage
like I dashed through them and to the side
no damage
median ridge
hunter dash affects your dash attack
stray frigate
@split arch it gives ur ATTACK damage after dash
unborn trellis
hunter dash gives a boost on the Attack immediately after dash
turbid needle
dash attack
split arch
OOOHHH
spice prawn
run and gun ya know maybe im playing it wrong but for example using bow and you are in a room with those bomb dudes that rush in and blow you up i mean how you do the haha
split arch
ooooo
median ridge
bow can be very quick if you use dash attacks
split arch
word 😎
spice prawn
or the second biome where they get out in the lava
spark shuttle
ye
spice prawn
toasted hades for lunch haha
unborn trellis
usually you do it by dodging
median ridge
keep at range, keep dashing before each attack. the bow will charge faster
stray frigate
dash attack on bow is weak though
turbid needle
gonna have to go with the ol' reliable https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/520688527412035584
spice prawn
i hit 270 on skelliy for a crit tonight that suprised me
stray frigate
it has flat damage
spice prawn
with the bow
spark shuttle
doesnt mean its not usable
spice prawn
i think it was backstab as well though and three casts
spark shuttle
it gives you faster recharge on shots as well
median ridge
dash attacks can be boosted in damage and the damage doesnt really matter if you get crits + perfect shot
unborn trellis
1 cast = 3 casts, for the damage amp, web
spice prawn
do they stack
turbid needle
no
spice prawn
figures
its usually a standard to get through most rooms pretty easily and then there will be one where is like wtf
those water wave dudes
spark shuttle
when?
turbid needle
they can be a pain if they're offscreen yeah
median ridge
you can dash through the wave makers waves
unborn trellis
maybe your reaction time is lacking 🤔
spice prawn
could be haha
spark shuttle
and if you just circle around them they wont aim in time
unborn trellis
also dash has some invincibility frames
spark shuttle
what artefact do you use?
stray frigate
try ti stick with one weapon
spice prawn
like athena is your first god guaranteed
stray frigate
shield
spice prawn
yeah thats why i started over
stray frigate
to learn it first
spice prawn
i think i spread too thin
stray frigate
also u can take trinket for more HP
spice prawn
all weapons like one path lvl 1
stray frigate
it's very good for beginners
spice prawn
yeah i maxed out hp at like 158
spark shuttle
i accidentally put all mine into the rail gun
unborn trellis
weapon levels hardly matter at all
spice prawn
thats with the mirror and trinket
spark shuttle
and have none on sword
median ridge
the upgrades for the weapons don’t matter that much for progression. just learning how to use them properly
spark shuttle
ye
unborn trellis
you stick to a weapon to learn how to play with it, not to upgrade it
spice prawn
well ok how do you block with a shield without doing a bull rush
median ridge
for a really long time weapon upgrades weren’t even a thing but people were still able to use the weapons effectively
spark shuttle
you dont
spice prawn
yeah and it charges
pastel jolt
hey, remember when you could get coins or a centaur heart in the first room of the run?
azure bone
No reason not to charge tho
spice prawn
and i rush into the hydra
median ridge
keep holding it down to keep blocking
azure bone
Just release between hydra attacks
spark shuttle
why are you rushing into hydra
median ridge
it will only bull rush when you release the button
spark shuttle
during the perios where you can dmg him?
stray frigate
also u better use columns to hide
spice prawn
i use controller
maybe mouse keyboard better idk
havent tried
i can get him down to about 30
spice prawn
but rng hates me i guess cause the calls are rare for me i was thinking cause i was playing in god mode
turbid needle
boy, elysium is gonna be hell for you
unborn trellis
only thing god mode changes is damage reduction
median ridge
focus on one part of the map to clear it out so you have somewhere safe to stand. also in the hydra room there are jars with food in them
spice prawn
all i usually get are the pommegranates and maybe 4 gods throughout the entire biome is this usual?
median ridge
break the jars when you need healing
median ridge
theyre to the left and right of the main hydra head
spice prawn
thanks innernet person who plays games like me
had n no idea been playing totally blind except for the guides on steam
oh and the companion
median ridge
yup thats a normal amount of boons per biome
spice prawn
thats giving ambrosia to one specific character to max it out, right?
hasty flint
I once got to Asphodel with only 2 boons
unborn trellis
you need ambrosia too
unborn trellis
and ambrosia is from area 3 boss
spice prawn
summon pet
for dmg, correct or no
what if you max a god
do they give you a certain boon or no
unborn trellis
no
spice prawn
i can't seem to find anything regarding the gift giving other than just one for the keepsake
unborn trellis
its a fairly new feature
spice prawn
kk
median ridge
giving gifts fills hearts on the codex, showing your increased friendship with the character
spark shuttle
isnt when you fill up all the hearts for a god by giving them nectar you can give them ambrosia?
hasty flint
I have maxed with Meg, Skelly, Thanatos, and Sisyphus, and none of them have given me the option to give it to them, when will the option come up?
pastel jolt
you get the warm fuzzy feeling of knowing your friend loves you
unborn trellis
you cant get any summons until you beat the third area boss
spark shuttle
ye
median ridge
you need to pass through relationship events with certain characters to be able to get summons
spark shuttle
but you will have a problem if you cant do hydra first
spice prawn
ok yeah i had a call once
maxed it and artemis just slaughtered it for me bascially
then i made it to the mino and beat him but then got oofed by double team
i mean there is kinda of a lot of luck involved to get up to them with the things that will benefit you, correct
hasty flint
Yeah
spice prawn
to get that sweet build and you are just like bring it
spark shuttle
most of the time you can get to elysium with mediocre boons etc.
spice prawn
but i see players sceens of like the left bar is like full
hasty flint
With Theseus and the minotaur, Asterius what I find best is to just focus hard on Asterius and after you kill him, go for Theseus,
Because once Theseus gets below half health he starts using his specials and those are a pain to deal with when both are still up
spice prawn
and i think im also making mistakes of picking boons that are replacing ones already in the slot
spark shuttle
ye
spice prawn
i know that it will tell you if you are replacing it
spark shuttle
only replace the ones that would give synergies to the other ones
hasty flint
Yeah that's not the best idea, what you want to do is try to keep in mind what boons you do have, and go for Gods who have boons that will work well with ones you have
stray frigate
replacing also increase their rarity
dense chasm
What kind of streaks are you guys/girls on?
hasty flint
I usually try to pair Dionysus and Aphrodite boons for the double status effects
I've only ever gotten up to a streak of 2
turbid needle
11 rn
dense chasm
Just hit 13, increasing heat every run
spark shuttle
i havent beaten the game yet
hasty flint
But I've only had the game for about 5 days
spice prawn
i cant increase heat because i dont have that option
hasty flint
I've got 8 completions I think
spice prawn
i tried hell mode but its stuck on max
you gotta beat if first before you can do bounties
or play hell mode on max
id be all about grinding bloods annat but damn yeah i started over
just gonna focus on sheild beef it up learn it and tank
spark shuttle
have you unlocked the thing on the desk yet in your room?
stray frigate
Tomatos is always late
hasty flint
Some people you only meet late game
spice prawn
like i said RNG hates me for real
spark shuttle
its not rng
stray frigate
and Patrocles may be hard to find
spice prawn
but me and poseidon we tight
spark shuttle
it just you meet them in a later region
hasty flint
Yeah, it took me ages to meet what's his face
spice prawn
well i watched a youtube video of someone in the hall
sitting on a chair
next to your room
musician
spark shuttle
ye i got her
spice prawn
i dont
turbid needle
that's lategame stuff my dude
spice prawn
oh ok
patent ibex
Yo guys i got a question
pastel jolt
orpheus won't show up until later
spark shuttle
hit it
patent ibex
If I want to get the Legendary or Combo boons, are there any prerequisite?
patent ibex
Do I need to already have a certain boon to get the combos or legendary
spark shuttle
i think you need enough of the 2 types
turbid needle
also someone posted a handy guide in #fan-works
patent ibex
Ok, also, to get the companions
spice prawn
dude that handy guide looks like russian electronics
patent ibex
Do I need to have maxed out the ambrosia with the people who give them away?
spice prawn
i been trying to get a duo going
turbid needle
you just have to give them one ambrosia after you've maxed the normal nectar hearts
spice prawn
but i never get lucky to get two gods together for some reason
turbid needle
and finished their mini sidesuest
spice prawn
they give me the drunk wine dude alot
so how can i maximize the poison
should it be on dash, speical or attack
spark shuttle
dash is good as its aoe
attack is good on certain weapons
like rail
special is good on aoe ones
spice prawn
no rail for me i can't handle it
its too much firepower
bow is cool
i really like the bow tbh
but the speical is just kind of for reflect it seems
spark shuttle
nah
spice prawn
i did get a boon that made it like wow damn
spark shuttle
up close it sreds
for example if you get poison on special you can posion a whole room
or like knoeckback
spice prawn
so you basically have to play this game working with whatever you get to the best of your ability you can't really plan it all out
and i guess i just need to learn all the boons then
spark shuttle
no point trying to plan out a build at the beginning
take what you get and work with it
spark shuttle
i wouild reccomend getting the artefact from nyx tho
spice prawn
bombers or i dashed in fire or some stupid haha
turbid needle
ooc, is this the first roguelike you've played?
spark shuttle
the one where you get hp for darkness
spark shuttle
1 or 2 death defiances?
spice prawn
one
and the tooth
no keys mang
but for some reason i have a ton of jewels
darkness goes fast
i got most of what i have unlcicked maxed
unlocked
spark shuttle
have you unlocked the trade area
spice prawn
is it not maxed in god mode?
spice prawn
ok
because i have maxes playing in god mode but then i started again without it just to see what were the differences
but i havent spent much time on the new game tbh
i tried hell mode and didn't understand how i couldnt lesson the heat
so that stopped right there are the escape door haha
spark shuttle
go for it
spice prawn
thanks for the tips guys
spark shuttle
try starting with athena
spice prawn
focus on athena as in for shield?
spice prawn
which one is it
spark shuttle
the owl
spice prawn
the owl?
spark shuttle
y
spice prawn
yes i have it
spark shuttle
start with that and try to get dash or attack
spice prawn
ok man here i go then
azure bone
Aphrodite is like, the SS tier god
And not for visual reasons, weak + high % damage buffs
hasty flint
Yes
She's my favorite!
Especially paired with Dionysus, weak+poisoned for the extra damage with that one mirror buff
spice prawn
i put it on speical
and got bull rush to now shoot a ray instead of rushing
man, so many variables what a great game for real
hasty flint
Right now in my run I'm doing Zeus + Poseidon buffs for the jolted + ruptured
languid gorge
Tisiphone is the easiest fury for me
hasty flint
She's hilarious
spice prawn
that was my set up going in
but the room literally right before it was those big dudes that bum rush you as well as ranged
so i went in having already used my tooth and about half life
oof
holy crap the owl gave me an epic call boon. Good lookin out man i had no idea
spice prawn
poseidon
but my frist ever like out of the gate i got help
cool
maybe it wasnt the owl
maybe the rng feels bad
native ether
Seriously, since you added the greatshields to the game, there have been numerous feedbacks explaining how they are not fun but almost nothing has been done. Nerf them seriously, or even better, remove them, but I've been playing Hades since the first public release more than 1 year ago and these enemies are the single thing that make me want to stop playing (and I'm going to stop playing for a few weeks after another frustrating session. I'm supposed to enjoy playing, and it's not the case because of these enemies)
It might just be me but I legitmately have no issues with Greatshields. Greatshields are one of the few enemies which prevent Elysium from being easy.
the only weapon i actually have difficulty dealing with them on is the bow
pearl shadow
The dang Soulcatchers are what do me in most runs
split arch
hasty flint
Honestly I think it's less of a gameplay issue and more of a personal preference, I strongly dislike the Greatshields, but they're a key enemy and part of the gameplay
split arch
yay
hasty flint
Good job Onions!
pearl shadow
Noice
thorny edge
i have more trouble with the other exalted personally
pearl shadow
I always get stuck on Elysium because the enemies there actually make me question my build choices
Exalted I can deal with, but the chariots things and the Soulscatchers are this things that overwhelm me with those
fading spear
Shield boys are great, they make me stop trying to go full aggro and think a little
thorny edge
what are soulcatchers?
pearl shadow
The pink orbs that shoot butterflies
stray frigate
@thorny edge butterfly balls
split arch
don't forget to get that extra dmg with 2 curses, look for anti armor and throw a cast into them for extra damage
I kill the butterfly balls first too, also the deflect dash kills the butterflies
I actually don't know if you can attack them or not
pearl shadow
Curses are what you can get from Chaos right?
pearl shadow
Oooh
split arch
but I understand why you thought that
pearl shadow
Like doom and weak
native ether
So fun fact for all of those who don't know (and please remind everyone who complains about greatshields)
Artemis projectiles and piercing modifiers bypass shields.
split arch
yeah
native ether
So Support Fire, Artemis Cast, those ignore shields
Piercing Fire on the Rail ignores shields. The bow one does as well.
pearl shadow
I think I might need to go full Artemis and now next chance I get
thorny edge
oooh thats why theseus was easy on my rail attempt
native ether
(If you're trying to share a picture, use a third party website like imgur)
(image share is disabled in the discord)
stray frigate
split arch
stray frigate
finally
split arch
best
native ether
Artemis Aid projectiles also ignore shields
pearl shadow
“Nice shield you got there, Theseus. Be a shame if my bullets went through it”
native ether
so if you struggle against Theseus, that's the wrath to go for
split arch
lvl 6 deflect attack!
I wish I could read some of that but it doesn't matter
I still don't know all the pictures for the boons
pastel jolt
pssst, if you're not sure what the door symbols are, i have a handy guide to all of them pinned in this very channel
split arch
which weapon did you use
native ether
oh its updated!
pearl shadow
Here’s how stuck I am on Elysium: I haven’t fought Theseus yet.
To be fair, I only got@the game a week ago
stray frigate
7 wins in a row
pastel jolt
it's updated and expanded :D
split arch
@pastel jolt no I meant the boon jacket pictures
thorny edge
oh cool never noticed the laurels and different elite badges
split arch
@pearl shadow try to get ares blade cast thing and put both mino and thes in the same corner and cast it into them
or aoe stuff and use it
or focus on mino first
pastel jolt
i meant the person who was asking "what this door was"
pearl shadow
Noted @split arch
native ether
Having to worry about Theseus is a non issue now that I have Mort and just the moment Theseus calls for help I insta-death him :kappa:
pastel jolt
i only just got mort and i'm still uncertain of, like.... best way to aim,
stray frigate
btw what should i have for dio zeus duo?
pearl shadow
But I should clarify: I keep dying in the rooms before the fight with Theseus and the Minotaur
split arch
yeah aiming with mort against thesus/mino is harddd
split arch
I always only hit mino
pearl shadow
I have weirdly fought the Minotaur solo once. Is that a special thing that happen sometimes?
native ether
i also wait until Theseus is standing still
stray frigate
@pearl shadow yes
pearl shadow
Ah
split arch
it's a mini boss
native ether
Minotaur solo is one of the miniboss rooms for Elysium
stray frigate
u can take solo mino or big butterball
split arch
Elysium is definitely hard, harder than Stix rooms I think
because it's like your finalizing your build and there's a lot of stuff to mess up on
Stix is just extra stuff to put on usually
pearl shadow
Is the only hard thing in Styx ||the fight with Hades?||
split arch
yeah I think so that and the traps if you have trap dmg on
trap dmg +400% or more and stix is nuts sometimes
fossil hill
guys can "piercing" pierce through the shield boss?
stray frigate
y
split arch
@pearl shadow you should think about what keepsakes you're using and try to unlock more or read which ones you want
because that's pretty important besides the boons
pearl shadow
I should
split arch
and check if the controls are good for you - sometimes I change the controls based on what power I'm probably oging to spam
pearl shadow
I’m mostly using the Cerberus keepsake
stray frigate
goodf for newbie
split arch
so it's very quick
solid cairn
styx has plenty of hard parts
stray frigate
broken spear good in styx
split arch
the poison is like the only thing that gets hard
pearl shadow
I mainly play on controller and it’s working well so far
stray frigate
help a lot vs poison
split arch
yeah broken spear is amazing
solid cairn
do shops stop run timers
split arch
I want Zag to get out in the normal world and become a taxi driver to make ends meet
in NY or something while he's trying to find his mom
pearl shadow
That’s an AU I’d invest myself in
hasty flint
Has anyone else encountered the problem where after freeing ||Orpheus|| using the diamond in the renovations desk, you can no longer buy anything using gemstones, and it will only show you things that cost diamonds?
split arch
it's like cash cab but with a god as the host and he askes every contestant if they've seen his mom
hasty flint
HAH that sounds amazing
grand patrol
onions i LOVE that
split arch
hey so I'm trying to get the boulder guy's companion or special thing?
do I need to give him 7 or 10 nectars
or just keep talking
stray frigate
Guys help me pls
native ether
since his locked heart is available, you need to get the interactions which allow you to free Sisyphus
once you free him, you can gift him Ambrosia and get the companion
split arch
do I need meg's companion in order to free him?
native ether
nope
split arch
or just keep talking to him to give him ambrosia
native ether
random chance to get the particular interactions you need to spawn his release papers in the House Contractor pool
split arch
gosh darnit
vapid spoke
His contract is one of the house contractor things, 3 diamonds
split arch
TEN?!
vapid spoke
Might have been 4 when I did it. Regardless, save diamonds for it
split arch
thank god it's less than that now
spice prawn
so i i finally got a titan blood and i want to upgrade the shield or the bow, which 1 blood is probably best to start off with
i mean path the first or the second one
vapid spoke
Chaos for shield, either for bow
spice prawn
thanks
vapid spoke
The second path for bow needs a lot of blood to be good tho
stray frigate
1 have 120% on Hades spear so if my usual attack makes 20 and attack on marked enemy makes 44(usual 20+24) and it's ok
but if i backstab skelly i deal 30 normal and 54 vs Marked(which is 30+same 24) shouldnt backstab damage grows with hades mark?
vapid spoke
Imo
median ridge
zagreus and hera aspect are really good for bow
vapid spoke
Hera aspect requires 2 blood to start
median ridge
more crit chance is not weak
stray frigate
@median ridge only for AA
subtle prawn
10% crit chance is silly
stray frigate
it's weak
median ridge
suit yourself then
native ether
all percent increases in Hades with a few exceptions are "additive" which means they only scale off the base damage of an attack.
This means if you get 2 100% damage increases on your attack, they will not apply to each other. If the attack does 20, every 100% increase will increase damage by 20.
Since Punishing Sweep is afaik an additive boost, it doesn't stack with the additive boost Backstabs provide.
median ridge
its my favorite aspect
stray frigate
@native ether bad(
native ether
(This is why Hestia is good for the rail since it increases the base damage of the shot)
vapid spoke
I haven't upgraded zag aspect on bow since doing homing aspect, but 10% crit seems very good
turbid needle
I feel like Zagreus Aspect might be the strongest bow right now.
Which is weird to say.
native ether
I'm inclined to agree considering Hera is incredibly niche and Chiron was so good it got nerfed into the ground and now its kinda useless.
turbid needle
Or maybe I need to try high heat without the timer.
subtle prawn
is sticking your cast in your shots even good other than the upgrade to cast drop time?
honest question
turbid needle
It can be.
native ether
depends on your cast
turbid needle
You're more likely to hit with some Casts.
native ether
do you have Scintillating Feast or Hunting Blades? Absolutely
turbid needle
But Aphrodite's Cast will miss.
turbid needle
Why wouldn't it?
native ether
It works beautifully with Hunting Blades. I've seen it in action. It immediately drops the Blades on top of the enemy hit
native ether
Hera Bow with Hunting Blades and Vicious Cycle and Burst Shot drops Hades in like 30 seconds.