#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 304

stray frigate Dec 28, 2019, 5:55 AM

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ah

stuck bough Dec 28, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Thank ye

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Doom is such a weirdass effect.

stray frigate Dec 28, 2019, 5:55 AM

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i do not like it

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Using doom effects severely complicates your optimal damage rotations, especially if it's your second debuff.

stray frigate Dec 28, 2019, 5:56 AM

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@last nacelle u forgot Dio

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his attack have no % only poison

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Oh right, I was suspecting I forgot one.

stray frigate Dec 28, 2019, 5:57 AM

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aphro has mosr% as usual

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for ares i prefer cast

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for attack - aphro or artemida

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poison if good weapon

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 5:58 AM

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If you have a Chaos boon on something, Artemis is way better for damage.

stray frigate Dec 28, 2019, 5:58 AM

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well

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artemida is good for cast

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too

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not only for crit

final fox Dec 28, 2019, 5:59 AM

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chaos boons are actually multiplicative

stray frigate Dec 28, 2019, 5:59 AM

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ypu but u cant expect them

final fox Dec 28, 2019, 5:59 AM

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so they work well with anything

stray frigate Dec 28, 2019, 5:59 AM

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and their effect

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u r great guys and i wish i could chat with you longer but it's morning already and i didnt sleep all night long

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so gl suys see you later

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 6:03 AM

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So how crazy can a dash attack build get? Hunter Dash + dash attack hammer upgrade + getting two lucky chaos boons both on dash.

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On another note, what is the craziest bonus to get multiple of from Chaos?

stray frigate Dec 28, 2019, 6:05 AM

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@last nacelle dash attack or just attack

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both will work

lean swift Dec 28, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Is there no way to save progress? I killed the first sister and then kept moving the lava island, but when I died I went all the way back?

final fox Dec 28, 2019, 6:53 AM

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There's a separation between run progress items and meta progress items. All run progress, e.g. boons, hearts, hammer upgrades, gold, etc., are lost when you die. All meta progress is kept; Darkness, Keys, Nectar, Titan Blood, Ambrosia, that sort of thing.

hard iris Dec 28, 2019, 6:55 AM

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Hades is a roguelite, so when you die you go back to the beginning, meaning that to get to the ending, you have to not die (not counting death defiance)

radiant scarab Dec 28, 2019, 7:00 AM

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am I the only one who's annoyed that the sword's special doesn't take the mouse cursor into consideration?

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I've actually checked now with screenshots to make sure I am not insane, the range is completely different based on where the character is facing

lean swift Dec 28, 2019, 7:16 AM

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@hard iris That's insane.... I already was not a fan because it was a AWSD controlled game which fn steam does not say upfront for any game, so then I started kind of raptor getting used to it.. but it's just nuts not to be able to save at least every stage sector of the game.. Going to play for maybe another few day and then I'm out. I come from the Diablo/POE/Wolcent Team.. going to stick to that.

hard iris Dec 28, 2019, 7:17 AM

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Oh don't worry, the game gets easier and easier the more you progress, part by getting the permanent upgrades from the mirror and you getting better

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It took me about 14-15 escape attempts to beat the game so it's not that hard

lean swift Dec 28, 2019, 7:17 AM

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I noticed that which I also found strange

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You beat the entire game only after loosing 15 times?

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I find that hard to believe.

hazy kite Dec 28, 2019, 7:18 AM

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Not really. Took me 19

hard iris Dec 28, 2019, 7:18 AM

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Correct

lean swift Dec 28, 2019, 7:18 AM

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Well maybe I'm just not really into this style of controls, to each their own.

hazy kite Dec 28, 2019, 7:19 AM

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If you can, maybe try a controller. Although, giving supergiant feedback on what you think needs tweaking for wasd might help them adjust

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It plays quite nice with a game pad

hard iris Dec 28, 2019, 7:22 AM

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@lean swift The game is meant to be played through several times, so you're not really finished after just beating it once. It has great amounts of replayability

gentle surge Dec 28, 2019, 7:53 AM

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I cannot find any information on this and it's confusing - can someone point me towards how I unlock/use calls? I don't think I've done it but I'm not sure and the UI offers me boons related to calls but no actual calls!

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 7:54 AM

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They're called "aid".

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The name of the boons.

gentle surge Dec 28, 2019, 7:55 AM

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Ah right. I'll keep my eyes open on the next run, thanks. Is there a specific NPC I have to meet to trigger them?

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 7:56 AM

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You will get a special dialogue when accepting a god boon when you first unlock calls. It's weird that you're getting the boons that trigger off calls before the actual calls though.

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In fact, I think the first time you are offered a call, you are forced to take it.

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First time in a save file that is, not first time in a run.

gentle surge Dec 28, 2019, 7:57 AM

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I feel like I've definitely done that cutscene but I died really quickly so I'm unsure!

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I might start another save file just to see what happens

median ridge Dec 28, 2019, 8:02 AM

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....all the trailers and descriptions for this game have made it very clear that it is a roguelite. i am bewildered that someone could miss all that when buying it.

final fox Dec 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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The impression I get is that most people take between 10 and 20 tries to complete a run and beat the game for the first time, I took around 15 as well
the mirror boosts ramp up pretty quickly, enemy attack patterns are well conveyed so learning them is easy enough, and then it's just a matter of execution

vernal cradle Dec 28, 2019, 8:55 AM

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I beat it in 12

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But I’m also really good at roguelikes

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My buddies range anywhere from 15-20 for sure

meager mica Dec 28, 2019, 9:04 AM

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i beat in 6

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but just got lucky

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and it somehow destroyed story progress

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 9:05 AM

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First run gives you a lot of athena boons, doesn't it?

meager mica Dec 28, 2019, 9:06 AM

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if you mean the 'prologue' run

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yes

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bcs you always start it with Athena

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and it's snowball

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Then it's quite reasonable to beat it in one try just because of that. Athena boons are very strong.

vernal cradle Dec 28, 2019, 9:06 AM

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^

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Well, it's not that they're strong.

vernal cradle Dec 28, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Athena boons were the ones that beat it for me

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 9:07 AM

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It's that they enable you to win easily if you play around them.

vernal cradle Dec 28, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Deflect on Attack and Dash and Special

meager mica Dec 28, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Athena have some good and some bad boons

vernal cradle Dec 28, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Four dashes

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(Thanks to a Hermes boon)

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Deflect also Exposes

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It was nasty

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Athena's worst boon is Proud Bearing.

vernal cradle Dec 28, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Athena lets you cheese the Hydra a bit

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I think that’s what cinched it for me

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 9:08 AM

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What if, Proud Bearing was changed to be like

Regain some% of Call meter after using a Greater Call.

vernal cradle Dec 28, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Remind me what it does normally?

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Start encounters with 25% of call meter full.

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Or around that number.

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25% might be for rare. Regardless, it's not a lot.

meager mica Dec 28, 2019, 9:10 AM

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it's good

vernal cradle Dec 28, 2019, 9:10 AM

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Oh, that one

final fox Dec 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

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starting every encounter with a minor call available is really good

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

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The strength of it varies drastically based on encounter length.

vernal cradle Dec 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

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I like it plenty, especially if you pair it with the “increase call generation when you take damage” boon

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You couldn’t pay me to tell you whose that was, I just remember getting Greater Calls stupid fast once I upgraded them both twice each

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 9:12 AM

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How can you forget the name of Boiling Point?

vernal cradle Dec 28, 2019, 9:12 AM

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I’ve only seen it once

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And it was that run

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First time hitting third boss

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But then ||Theseus and the Minotaur|| kicked my butt because I wasn’t any good with the spear yet

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 9:15 AM

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Or another idea for Proud Bearing could be, gain god meter whenever an enemy spawns, with stronger enemies giving more.

radiant scarab Dec 28, 2019, 9:19 AM

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@hazy kite How do I give feedback tho? I don't have access to the Feedback chat for some reason...

I think the controls are awesome on Mouse and Keyboard all the other attacks follow the cursor a-okay it's just the sword's Special attack that doesn't and it makes no sense that it doesn't...

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 9:19 AM

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Feedback is gated by reading a pin.

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:19 AM

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read the pins in #hades-feedback

vernal cradle Dec 28, 2019, 9:19 AM

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Think you need a role assigned?

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 9:19 AM

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Why is feedback locked by default but not suggestions?

radiant scarab Dec 28, 2019, 9:19 AM

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Btw it took me like 20 tries to beat the game, but the spear lightning flurry jab combo is kinda OP

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:20 AM

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suggestions is closed though

vernal cradle Dec 28, 2019, 9:20 AM

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Suggestions is locked rn

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Afaik

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 9:20 AM

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Even when suggestions was open, it wasn't role-locked.

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:21 AM

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was feedback locked before the steam launch?

radiant scarab Dec 28, 2019, 9:21 AM

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I read the pinned stuff but it doesn't really explain anything of note...

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:22 AM

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try reading all the words instead of glossing over it

radiant scarab Dec 28, 2019, 9:22 AM

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it's not locked, people are very clearly posting there

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 9:23 AM

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We were talking about suggestions being locked, not feedback. Feedback has a condition that must be met before you can post in it.

radiant scarab Dec 28, 2019, 9:24 AM

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right, nevermind

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:26 AM

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@ember raven you can press b to see your current boons at any time, even when choosing another boon

ember raven Dec 28, 2019, 9:28 AM

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Thanks, this is good to know. I tried hovering over icon of replaced boon (and clicking on it) to see the details.

vernal cradle Dec 28, 2019, 9:28 AM

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@ember raven There was a specific event asking for weapon upgrades

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That’s why they’re all weapons

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dude imagine if we could steal Meg’s whip

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And she had an alt weapon or something she used if you fought her with it

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:31 AM

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@ember raven also you really should only make one suggestion at a time in #hades-feedback (read the pins!!!), makes it tough to vote on it otherwise

ember raven Dec 28, 2019, 9:34 AM

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@turbid needle I've read it. For some reason I interpreted "post one piece of feed back at a time" as "post one feedback per piece of info". Not sure that it all will fit in one message. Also my QoL-related message is more like a suggestion or issue-report: i'm not sure at all if hades-feedback is a correct channel for this kind of messages.

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:36 AM

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yeah it means "one piece of feedback per message" but i can see it being unclear
and feedback is just the general feedback channel, there isn't anything for specific qol or design or what have you suggestions but you can use f10 in game to report bugs

ember raven Dec 28, 2019, 9:38 AM

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@turbid needle Edited my first message to include QoL notes too. And deleted second message. Is it fine now?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:38 AM

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nah, you just did the exact opposite of what i meant

ember raven Dec 28, 2019, 9:39 AM

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So I should split it into more messages?

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like one "feature/issue item" per message

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:39 AM

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yeah, one suggestion per message so that the bot can react on each piece separately

ember raven Dec 28, 2019, 9:40 AM

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Deleted entirely. Will repost multiple messages a bit later

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:40 AM

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@radiant scarab same goes for you big man, i see you typing an endless message over there

radiant scarab Dec 28, 2019, 9:41 AM

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It's not endless, I just wanted to make sure I phrase it right

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:42 AM

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aight nvm

radiant scarab Dec 28, 2019, 9:42 AM

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English is not my first language, but I do feel rather embarassed when there's spelling mistakes in my writing

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:43 AM

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i get you dw

ember raven Dec 28, 2019, 10:23 AM

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@turbid needle "quantized" my feedback. Plot/world related message still may be hitting"too much", but I see this all as "one thing". Anyway this specific message is more like "opinion feedback" and maybe I should have thought a bit more about this genre before buing a game... So I'm not sure that such feedbacks are appropriate here.

The other two messages are targeting very specific aspects of gameplay/engine so I think they are fine.

Can you recommend anything more on my feedbacks?

Most likely you are not part of the staff and just another player, so I appreciate your involvement on "organizing chaos to order" very much. Thank you.

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 10:52 AM

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regarding your gripes with the story it feels like you were expecting bastion 2 : electric boogaloo but hades' story is much more personal and focused on zag's character and quest and while i'd like to see more personal growth i feel like worldbuilding for what's going on outside of hell would be more distracting than anything else
also i feel it wouldn't make much sense for zag to care about the goings on of mortals given the environment he grew in and what his goals are
but yeah that's just my take on it

opinion/story feedback fits that channel as well dw

no, your feedback's good, thanks for being involved and putting effort into it

and yeah no problem! thanks for being nice :)

azure swan Dec 28, 2019, 12:12 PM

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reached styx in 14 minutes, and then proceeded to find sack in LAST DAMN chamber
and on top of that hades decided to summon invulnerability stones
this game hates me 😦

ember raven Dec 28, 2019, 12:20 PM

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@turbid needle I was not expecting Bastion 2, but wasn't expecting that "exploration" would be of character (not exploration of world or story). Thinking of it now: looks like Zag's character has a lot of direct or implied info to explore about him... I'm just not used to this kind of exploration.

And another reason for my fixation on "story or world exploration": someone on the team put the mentions of "war that changed Asphodel from flowery meadows into..." and "some Zag's reason to escape which he had not yet told Olympians" (phrased in such a way that it may not be about Persephone but about something very different) so it means that at least someone thought about it and so I just NEED to know the details. And now I just can't stop feeling "mental itch" about these topics.

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 12:25 PM

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zag's reason was very much finding persephone

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and that's what these exchanges refer to

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but the olympians assume that he just wants to escape hades' realm and come live with them

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and are most likely helping him to spite hades

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also check out the amas in #ask-supergiant for more details about what the team put into the game's story and how it relates to them

ember raven Dec 28, 2019, 12:27 PM

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@azure swan Randomness is both a blessing and a curse in Hades. On some of my first runs I had some boons that almost one-shotted anyone... but at that time I was horrible at playing and died on Hydra. Now I play a little better and none of my escapes had boons as satisfying as that early one. But some day great random will give me something even better.

In your case: treat this like deep immersion (imagine how Zag feels after indefinite number of deaths, fights, conflicts with father, etc.)

azure swan Dec 28, 2019, 12:31 PM

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you're really into lore don't you 🙂

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 12:32 PM

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i mean... it's sgg, can you blame them?

azure swan Dec 28, 2019, 12:35 PM

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true true

ember raven Dec 28, 2019, 12:38 PM

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@turbid needle Maybe there are some "issues" with ordering of dialogs, for Example with Orpheus: I already talked to him about Eurydice, and in one of the next dialogs he "hinted" about his wife/muse like we hadn't talked about Euridice yet.

In case of this "Zag's hidden agenda" if I remember correctly: I already talked with Nyx (or with Hypnos) about Persephone ... And this dialog about "secret Zag's agenda" was with the same npc LATER. So I thought that this was about something else (otherwise there were no need to avoid direct mentions). So maybe it was really about Persephone . But if it was not a problem with dialogs ordering then this might be about something different.

SGG is about "details". Story or world details are "easiest to spot".

I love the details: birds/bats/butterflies issues of Zag who lived all his life in the underworld still fascinate me.
It's just that this two specific moments got most of my attention. But now I have some new kinds of details to explore.

The gameplay part of the game is important too, but in case of Hades - this gameplay is good only when I'm in specific mood, so for now I prefer to focus on details.

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 12:40 PM

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yeah, the order of dialogues can be a little wonky at times

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has to do with the structure of the game i reckon

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hades told me something along the lines of "grats on escaping tartarus, prepare to suffer in asphodel" on my 42nd run, after beating the game multiple times

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for example

ember raven Dec 28, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Not a big deal even if this was "final product". But in some cases may case false assumption like my "theory of something DEEPER" (or not false? Who knows...)

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 12:44 PM

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i feel you, the dialogue should probably be less esoteric to account for that jankiness

ember raven Dec 28, 2019, 12:45 PM

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The "Ending" is yet to be seen (if I'm reading devs correctly), so some questions may be answered. Just need to wait

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 12:50 PM

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soon™

teal laurel Dec 28, 2019, 12:56 PM

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yeah

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i want to see the ending already

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can we date our home girl artemis?

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or nah

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 12:58 PM

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doubt we'll ever be able to date gods

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putting my money on hypnos and dusa tbh

teal laurel Dec 28, 2019, 1:00 PM

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RIP

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allow me to give 10 nectar to her and an ambrosia

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:31 PM

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let's go, final boss, no darkness

cosmic shadow Dec 28, 2019, 2:32 PM

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just had two successful runs in a row, finally I beat the final boss with something else than the gun

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now I can unlock all aspects

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Why does this game insist on trolling me?

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Won't give me Blight or Lightning Strike when I'm using Eris, but second room with Hestia 'cause I'm trying to get that Deadly Strike I saw? Zeus.

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Epic Lightning Strike.

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Restart to get Zeus and it's Artemis again.

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a;sdlhhgs;jhkgad fkjfgka;;hjkshgsf;hgfdjklhj;klz

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 2:35 PM

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https://gyazo.com/8a35d0f3bd50aecba5d31dd8bfc933f8

Gyazo

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ez clapper

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Very nice!

karmic coyote Dec 28, 2019, 2:36 PM

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did you just have a stroke there, do you need some aid, gods aid perhaps

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:36 PM

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If I see Deadly Strike I'm gonna go Super Saiyan.

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 2:37 PM

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all i wanted that run was aphro and artemis duo

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;-;

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didnt get it

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:39 PM

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In addition to Deadly Strike being on the Artemis boons, I also saw Epic Chaotic Lunge for 102% damage in Chaos. Which would have gelled real well with Hestia, lemme tell you.

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where can i upload a pic without an account?

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Gotta get a link.

karmic coyote Dec 28, 2019, 2:42 PM

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use imgur

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Post it to imgur or elsewhere on Discord and link it here.

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my bad, typo

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Uuuhh.

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nah, imgur requires an account and i'd rather not

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 2:42 PM

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i either post discord links or use gyazo

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gyazo just requires an actual install tho

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 2:42 PM

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gyazo is great

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 2:43 PM

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yeah

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you can capture either the full screen

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or just parts of it when u like

pastel jolt Dec 28, 2019, 2:43 PM

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imgur doesn't require an account

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 2:43 PM

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yeah I didn't think it did

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but haven't used that in a while

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 2:43 PM

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i tried uploading on imgur before and it didnt work for some reason

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so i just stopped trying with it

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:45 PM

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unhealthy was the last boon i got, completely trivialised the hades fight

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Also a thing with discord links... they dont work the first time for some reason? xD

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:45 PM

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little bit stupid tbh

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 2:45 PM

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but if you post it again, it works?

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idk discord is weird

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:45 PM

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what

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/660493179820441625/660493338356744192/20191228153639_1.jpg

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 2:45 PM

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yeah see?

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u can see it now

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:46 PM

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damn, weird

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 2:46 PM

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but not with the first link

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 2:46 PM

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unhealthy fixation is amazing

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hades just laughs while you kill him

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 2:46 PM

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amen to that

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 2:46 PM

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feel bad for theseus with all his screaming when you charm asterius

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:47 PM

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first time i've gotten it

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 2:47 PM

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it's best legendary

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:47 PM

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aphro prophecy is now done

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 2:47 PM

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oh nice

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:47 PM

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yeah it seemed pretty stupid

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especially with aphro flourish on chiron

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and relentless barrage

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 2:48 PM

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it doesn't last that long on bosses but it's enough to interrupt most of their attacks

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:48 PM

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anyway, made it out of heck without darkness

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 2:48 PM

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there should be a delay before you can charm them again, imo

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:48 PM

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so that's pretty neat

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 2:48 PM

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oh nice

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 2:51 PM

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the hera aspect on bow...heuheuheuheuheuheu

just tried it, and cheesed through the game, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Lost to the Heroes 'cause of Tight Deadline.

wraith zodiac Dec 28, 2019, 2:52 PM

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what keepsake is best with hera aspect on bow?

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 2:52 PM

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spearpoint is best with every weapon

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Spearpoint is extremely powerful, yes.

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artemis'

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 2:53 PM

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hera aspect is especially funny if you get artemis critical on attack and it gets leveled up by pom porridge plus other pom poms...

combine that with dionysus epic festive fog and lulz

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750 damage on like every 1/4 attacks.

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heuheuheuheuheu

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and i also had ares epic boon on special (leveled up twice) with rare artemis support fire plus hammer +4

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lulz, it's kinda like playing with the chaos aspect of the shield

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didn't hurt that i also had aphrodite weak on dash (doing 74 damag) plus venegeful mood.

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but because i fool around like a noob because i still play like one...I finished that run in 45 mins with that stacked arsenal. lulz, i've never been worth a damn at speed runs

gloomy scroll Dec 28, 2019, 3:01 PM

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so spearpoint better than bracer is what I'm hearing? do I need to change up my styx keepsake?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:01 PM

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yeah

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Spearpoint is super valuable in Styx because it lets you get to Mandrake Pools before the poison can damage you.

gloomy scroll Dec 28, 2019, 3:03 PM

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mm

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Be warned, though, that the poison still ramps up. After Spearpoint wears off, you'll be taking damage equal to what you would be taking if you hadn't had it at all.

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vicious skewer or flurry jab?

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It's gonna start out at 3 or 4 per tick.

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What's your Aspect?

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zag

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i'd snap pick flurry otherwise

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Either works. What's your Attack/Special?

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nothing, first room hammer

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Oh, go buckwild.

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fair enough

obtuse tapir Dec 28, 2019, 3:08 PM

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What are the main differences of hell mode compared to a normal save?

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more enemies, stronger hits, or...?

manic ermine Dec 28, 2019, 3:10 PM

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No grace invulnerability for taking large hits, forced pact for darkness cap and a bit of damage, cannot use weapons if you've beated a heat level with them

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:10 PM

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Turns on the Pact early, there are some settings that cannot be turned off, gotta increase Heat every run.

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 3:10 PM

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so it is as the name suggests.... hell

obtuse tapir Dec 28, 2019, 3:10 PM

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sounds super difficult without the unlocks

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:10 PM

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I'm not big on Hell Mode.

obtuse tapir Dec 28, 2019, 3:11 PM

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is the unlock process identical?

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to normal mode

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Yeah.

obtuse tapir Dec 28, 2019, 3:11 PM

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like darkness collection and keys and so on

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uhh

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that sounds terribly challenging

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seems like too much work to unlock everything I've already unlocked so far in the existing save

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might have done it if I could turn it on in a normal save

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but no

cosmic shadow Dec 28, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Who's a good god to try and build Zeus shield about?

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...Zeus maybe?

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would it keep continuously striking with lightning around itself

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Sure!

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can you get an offer to replace a heroic boon?

hazy kite Dec 28, 2019, 3:30 PM

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@cosmic shadow Zeus special boon on his aspect is really good. Strikes on every hit. Just means you have to get good at keeping it on enemies though.

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 3:31 PM

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500x3 per hit crits residentzag

hard cedar Dec 28, 2019, 3:41 PM

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I love Zeus and his lightning

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 3:48 PM

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i find that zeus lightning isn't useful without jolted

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Zeus' power skyrockets with the Rail.

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 3:49 PM

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yeah, certain boons are more useful on specific weapons, but i still find ares to be the true king of damage, why do 45 damage on (for instance) shield chaos aspect when i can do 140 plus (with impending doom) scaling it up to 220+

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 3:50 PM

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https://gyazo.com/b76c8eff1f71b8c56f3493d45ed3aa4a New best GWseremePeepoGGERS

Gyazo

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again... with the spear

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just went ham with flurry on the spear

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 3:51 PM

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wtf? 25 minutes? i can barely break 35 minutes...i need to see one of the streams of these faster runs...i want to see what i can do differently to speed things up...

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 3:51 PM

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ppl beat it in 17 mins

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XD

neon ridge Dec 28, 2019, 3:51 PM

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forced overtime helps

ornate lodge Dec 28, 2019, 3:51 PM

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O_o

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 3:51 PM

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yea, i know and it blows my mind

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 3:51 PM

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I always go fast with the spear for some reason

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most of my other runs are slower

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except the sword run

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and that one bow run that got me 28 mins

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 3:52 PM

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shield is my fastest, i'm terrible with the spear, probably my weakest weapon

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 3:52 PM

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look at how long it took me to clear with shield xD

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 3:52 PM

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i've cleared all 4 stages with each weapon to about 5 or 6 heat

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lulz, yeah, surprisig

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 3:52 PM

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53:29 lmao

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:53 PM

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My second-fastest clear was with ~~Merciful End~~ the shield.

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 3:53 PM

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oh nice. ive only made it to 3 heat

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what was ur fastest? @turbid needle

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GWbruhThonkNoHands

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Zeus/Eris rail. Just under 15 minutes on 7 Heat.

neon ridge Dec 28, 2019, 3:54 PM

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i only have 27 clears and i'm averaging around 25 mins per run already https://puu.sh/EU4D9.png

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 3:54 PM

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what?

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@turbid needle are you getting jolted on the lightning?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Whoa, nice!

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Jolted wasn't the damage dealer, it was all the lightning effects.

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 3:54 PM

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what are his other effects? i'm blanking

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:54 PM

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With Eris, Splitting Bolt, and a nicely leveled Lightning Strike you deal close to 100 damage per shot.

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Over, if you can swing Privileged Status (with which Jolted is very nice).

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 3:55 PM

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still, doesn't explain to me why i'm taking almost 40+ minutes on rail

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 3:55 PM

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https://gyazo.com/513494733e361def5e8780913584df28 ofc there's an aphro poster... smh

Gyazo

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 3:55 PM

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maybe i'm not aggressive neough

neon ridge Dec 28, 2019, 3:56 PM

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are you building attack or special?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Yeah, I play super aggressively.

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Attack with the Rail, usually.

frosty pier Dec 28, 2019, 3:56 PM

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500 obols well worth it.

neon ridge Dec 28, 2019, 3:56 PM

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special can be slow if you don't have triple bomb/rocket bomb

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 3:56 PM

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@neon ridge varies by weapon

neon ridge Dec 28, 2019, 3:56 PM

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i meant your rail run

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 3:56 PM

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on rail, i get the hammer and chooes triple bomb

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:56 PM

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I played so many runs to get that poster.

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It did not occur to me even once to use Chthonic Coin Purse.

neon ridge Dec 28, 2019, 3:57 PM

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could be your god special then

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aphro/artemis special goes well

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Special on Eris is pretty much just to activate the damage bonus.

neon ridge Dec 28, 2019, 3:57 PM

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yeah that is if you

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Unless you get Rocket and Triple Bombard, then it deletes the world.

neon ridge Dec 28, 2019, 3:57 PM

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you're going for attack centric build

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Special is too slow to be your primary DPS with Tight Deadline.

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 3:58 PM

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anyone has a good shield build?

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shield is op yes but i want smth fun and not slow like my cough 53 min shield clear cough

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 3:59 PM

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i find ares to be super awesome on shield, chaos aspect

neon ridge Dec 28, 2019, 3:59 PM

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ares special and you're set

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 3:59 PM

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what if im doing zeus aspect tho

neon ridge Dec 28, 2019, 3:59 PM

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try to get explosive return

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 4:00 PM

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btw, i forget which weapon (spear maybe)? has a similar explosive hammer boon

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does 60 damage at area of impact iirc

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 4:00 PM

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the spear has one where it just explodes

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 4:00 PM

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That's the spear.

kind cloud Dec 28, 2019, 4:01 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/yes-nodding-nod-approve-agreed-gif-5098406

Tenor

yees

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desert jewel Dec 28, 2019, 4:02 PM

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Recently started playing, but is it just me or is the special for the spear underwhelming?
I mostly only found it useful with bounce upgrade and it applying debuffs.

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 4:02 PM

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It's usually not the spear's big damage dealer, but it's quite safe.

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It can be really scary with Explosive Launcher.

desert jewel Dec 28, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Hm, haven't tried that one out. Might check that out next.

cosmic shadow Dec 28, 2019, 4:22 PM

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oh man just beat it with the zeus aspect

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having the lightning special with a chaos special boon is

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something

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and then I got explosive return in elysium

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Though I'm still not sure how exactly splitting bolt works, does it produce those lightning balls when lightning hits?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Yup.

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Every time your Attack, Special, Cast, Dash, or Call hit something with a lightning bolt, an additional bolt appears.

muted patrol Dec 28, 2019, 4:42 PM

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@versed ibex You can quit the game after and encounter and pick up where you left off

versed ibex Dec 28, 2019, 4:42 PM

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but not during :(

muted patrol Dec 28, 2019, 4:43 PM

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well yeah, its in combat

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any time out of combat tho

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is fair game

versed ibex Dec 28, 2019, 4:43 PM

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I can't exactly tell my parents "sorry, please let me finish the battle"

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it also showed "give up" while in Charon's shop

muted patrol Dec 28, 2019, 4:43 PM

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understandable. Esp. if ur in a boss battle. but at that point, you can just pause and resume

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I aint gonna downvote, but i do think its kinda redundant

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whatever helps though

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 4:58 PM

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I don't know what I did to deserve Greater Recall with a very powerful Slicing Shot in the first room of Asphodel, but I don't think it was enough.

unkempt pagoda Dec 28, 2019, 4:58 PM

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give up also happens after you pick something with a choice involved (boons/hammers/etc)

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 4:59 PM

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I thought you could Quit after you made the pick, just not during the pick.

unkempt pagoda Dec 28, 2019, 4:59 PM

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buying a boon or something in charon's shop probably is what made give up appear

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Did have to reroll a single door nine times before it would give me something besides a Heart or Pom, so there's that.

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Okay, I gotta start streaming this, this is not okay.

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I'm on 15 Heat and I'm gonna dance through the rest of the game.

tame obsidian Dec 28, 2019, 5:06 PM

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If anyone wants to see someone speedrunning the game Haelian is on twitch right now trying to beat 8:40 clear time

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Oh, go watch Haelian instead of me, he's a way better player.

glad mantle Dec 28, 2019, 5:25 PM

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is there a way to pet Cerberus

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without

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giving a nectar

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my good boy needs love

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 5:28 PM

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nope :(

glad mantle Dec 28, 2019, 5:34 PM

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:(

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time for the most important feedback i have ever given

unkempt pagoda Dec 28, 2019, 5:35 PM

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you're gonna pet him but not give him something good to drink? >:V

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jk

grand smelt Dec 28, 2019, 5:37 PM

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You could just search "pet cerberus" and upvote the last ten Feedback posts of it

cosmic shadow Dec 28, 2019, 5:58 PM

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start actually being able to beat the game consistently after I finally got privileged status

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that stuff really does make a difference

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 5:59 PM

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It's very powerful.

halcyon cedar Dec 28, 2019, 6:01 PM

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hmm when you unlock most of the stats in mirror with darkness currency? it is no longer to hunt it right?
then how to obtain more titan blood to unlock weapon perk?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Once you've maxed the mirror (which will take a very long time), there is no current easy way to funnel Darkness. Occasionally you'll see exchanges at the Wretched Broker, but otherwise it will begin to pile up.

leaden pine Dec 28, 2019, 6:14 PM

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I just avoid darkness chambers and troves unless I have Nyx's gift

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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i never take the troves

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but the rooms are at least 5hp

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which can be more useful than 20g

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Yeah the 5hp is nice

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Especially since theres no point rerolling those

leaden pine Dec 28, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Sometimes troves drop two things

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I don't know what causes it or what the rates are or even if it's a set second item

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 6:21 PM

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eh, you can reroll them for a nectar if you've got vintage

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but i'd rather reroll gemstones in that situation

unkempt pagoda Dec 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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troves (and sunken treasure) have a chance to drop nectar

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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what

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are you kidding

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Yeah
I save the rolls for getting rid of hearts etc

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Yeah, but it's basic nectar, not the upgraded stuff.

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should i be doing the worthless health and darkness troves?

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Kinda wish the upgraded stuff appeared more freely.

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ah aight

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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It's pretty rare

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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still procs vintage tho

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Health troves are good if you need the health.

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That's true.

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 6:23 PM

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I will probably always do the money one and sometimes do gems depending on if I wanna do a fast run or not

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Highest I got was 145 gold dusa

thin hull Dec 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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ok, weird seeing @leaden pine here

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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yeah, the "up to 150/75" is false advertising

leaden pine Dec 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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fragWave

thin hull Dec 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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👋

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Yeah that's not possible

leaden pine Dec 28, 2019, 6:29 PM

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I still need lots of gems so I always do those

novel kiln Dec 28, 2019, 6:29 PM

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lol you're not maxxing the mirror

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takes like 165k to max fated authority

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 6:30 PM

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It's possible. I maxed it a month or so ago.

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I've been playing a lot for 8 months.

novel kiln Dec 28, 2019, 6:30 PM

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let me rephrase

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you're not maxxing the mirror (unless you're a nerd)

thin hull Dec 28, 2019, 6:32 PM

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doesn't seem too bad to max if you do the +20%

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 6:33 PM

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one hundred and sixty-five thousand

thin hull Dec 28, 2019, 6:33 PM

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I've only played for 2 days and all I've got left to max are the +rarity things

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Yeah, the start is easy. But it's 5k for the +rarity combined.

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50 hours in and i've got like 12k

thin hull Dec 28, 2019, 6:34 PM

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'course I'm doing no mirror runs rn to prove meg wrong

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🤷‍♀️

leaden pine Dec 28, 2019, 6:49 PM

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does anyone have favorite Hades streamers to watch on Twitch or YouTube?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Only Hades content I watch is from Haelian.

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does he do normal high heat runs as well or is he solely focused on speedrunning?

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Almost exclusively speedruns.

neon ridge Dec 28, 2019, 7:02 PM

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he does casual runs at the end of his streams

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i think you'll learn more from those

frozen panther Dec 28, 2019, 7:20 PM

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https://gyazo.com/b18ccad5984bde9270b6395edcef1a4d poseidon zeus chiron bow

Gyazo

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delicious

tight sequoia Dec 28, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Does anyone know how Dash Attacks work with the bow ? I got a boon from Chaos giving me more damage on the dash attack but whatever I do, I stil do the same amount of damage

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Dash attacks charge more quickly but deal less damage.

tight sequoia Dec 28, 2019, 7:33 PM

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I've never noticed that and I play since launch, ty!

hazy kite Dec 28, 2019, 7:37 PM

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so, uh, are the giant vermin supposed to do ove 75 damage per hit normally? For some reason my last run got screwed in Styx by 2 rats eating my 3 death defiances in a few seconds

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all I had on was Jury summons and Damage Control for pacts

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even had the Broekn Spearpoint on so it wasn't multihit attacks doing it

abstract pilot Dec 28, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Hmm, did you have any charm effects on them? There's a bug with that right now where the damage buff they are supposed to get to attack other enemies will also make them hit you hard

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 8:00 PM

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yeah same thing happened to me vs them

hazy kite Dec 28, 2019, 8:10 PM

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That explains that. did have charm

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guess ill jus avoid that for now then...

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Casts cannot backstab, correct?

gloomy scroll Dec 28, 2019, 8:27 PM

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correct

novel kiln Dec 28, 2019, 8:44 PM

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I call this "braindead mode"

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https://i.gyazo.com/49d882b7dad2230818558d4a8d2a4010.jpg

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 8:45 PM

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Yeah, that'll do it.

novel kiln Dec 28, 2019, 8:45 PM

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that's 288 dmg/s

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 8:45 PM

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Still wish we could have three dashes again now that they're almost i-frameless.

novel kiln Dec 28, 2019, 8:45 PM

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just with the poison

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I started the run with the intention to use dyo/aphro only and skipped a lot of boons/hammers

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see how far I could get with the poison Q build

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legit braindead

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think chaos aspect needs a nerf

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 8:47 PM

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It doesn't.

novel kiln Dec 28, 2019, 8:47 PM

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I mean, not a fan of nerfs in singleplayer games either

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but the other aspects feel underwhelming

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 8:48 PM

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That's because the shield is so strong naturally.

novel kiln Dec 28, 2019, 8:48 PM

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like, 25 dmg resistance is strong, but boring and you never realise if it's being useful or not (obviously it always is, but you get my point)

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and the zeus aspect, I'm probably bad with it but it just feels... weak?

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slow?

hazy kite Dec 28, 2019, 8:49 PM

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It's return speed could use some tuning I think

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but it really relies on getting decent boons to make it work (like zeus special, for example)

novel kiln Dec 28, 2019, 8:53 PM

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sure but then you compare it to the other 2 aspects and see that they work in every situation / pretty much every special boon

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:00 PM

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mid asphodel and i've got three boons

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this is certainly a run

jolly parcel Dec 28, 2019, 9:02 PM

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what's an average time would you say of a completed run for all who've done so?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Probably around 30 minutes, pushing down as you play more often.

quaint gale Dec 28, 2019, 9:12 PM

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yeah, that's about right. 20-25 for a really good run

jolly parcel Dec 28, 2019, 9:13 PM

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i'm still wondering how haelian is getting best times of sub 20 for all his weps, even the bow.

primal cape Dec 28, 2019, 9:14 PM

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I feel like my runs vary more on if I get good boons or not regardless of my craft improving

quaint gale Dec 28, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Haelian is playing on the same seed over and over

primal cape Dec 28, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Ah

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:18 PM

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relative speed is so nice

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 9:24 PM

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sub 20 on high heat?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:26 PM

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oh i have a screencap to show you after i'm done with this run

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 9:27 PM

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I haven't gotten shield/rail down to sub 20, yet.

jolly parcel Dec 28, 2019, 9:30 PM

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dunno if this counts, was previous patch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yJ3GeYc4G8

YouTube

Haelian

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Heat set up:
+100% Hard Labor
-75% Lasting Consequences
-100% Convenience Fee
+2 Extreme Measures
+1 Snake Oil
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+800% Heightened Security
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brazen hornet Dec 28, 2019, 9:30 PM

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How much has this game changed in a years time?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:30 PM

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A very great deal.

brazen hornet Dec 28, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Looks pretty damn cool very interested

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Okay, I have Merciful End with Ares Attack and Athena Dash on the Rail, let's see how quickly we can burst bosses.

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This is disgusting.

brazen hornet Dec 28, 2019, 9:41 PM

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So is it like dead cells where there are random pickups or is there a linear progression in acquiring new weapons?

jolly parcel Dec 28, 2019, 9:54 PM

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the first one

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 10:02 PM

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@gray plover gottem https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/660493179820441625/660602752438894612/20191228220504_1.jpg

gray plover Dec 28, 2019, 10:09 PM

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haha nice

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 10:31 PM

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What.

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How?

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glitched out

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no enemies spawned

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:)

unkempt pagoda Dec 28, 2019, 10:38 PM

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skelly appeared and beat their butts for you

calm mural Dec 28, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Got a quick question if anyone can help me out: how does the Hestia Aspect for the Adamant Rail interact with Spread Fire? Do all five shots get their damage boosted? Does it stop working entirely?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 10:47 PM

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all damage instances get boosted

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attack, special, cast, poison, you name it

calm mural Dec 28, 2019, 10:48 PM

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I think you're mixing up Hestia with Eris.

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Hestia is the one that makes your first shot after reloading have higher base damage.

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 10:48 PM

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oh mb

jolly parcel Dec 28, 2019, 10:48 PM

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iirc Hestia has a specific single shot that shoots out with the buff, then the rest are the shotgun

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 10:48 PM

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no you get a normal purple shot

calm mural Dec 28, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Ah, damn. That sucks. Thanks, I'm glad I didn't actually pick it up yet then.

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Piercing Fire right out of the gate should work nicely, at least.

primal cape Dec 28, 2019, 10:54 PM

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How do you activate hell mode?

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 10:55 PM

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It's something you can only activate once you start a new save

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You can't disable it in that save either

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 10:56 PM

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frankly not really worth it????

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 10:56 PM

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And while on the topic of hell mode, what's the PoP condition that's exclusive to it?

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I haven't tried the mode yet, and honestly don't have much desire to anytime soon

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 10:57 PM

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you don't get a small invincibility period after taking a lot of damage in a short time

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 10:57 PM

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that...

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seems kind of inconsequential?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 10:58 PM

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eh, not really

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once you start getting heated you can take huge hits and that small period is useful

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unless you're using spearhead ofc in which case it's entirely inconsequential

gusty urchin Dec 28, 2019, 11:02 PM

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is there a profile you recommend for your gamepad? I am thinking of using LB for Dashing and Shifting the default attack buttons around (Using PS4 controller)

livid nimbus Dec 28, 2019, 11:10 PM

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i use default

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and its really good

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but you do whatever you want i guess

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make dash R3 for all i care

brazen hornet Dec 28, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Lol

wicked warren Dec 28, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Default works great, you might want to swap really secondary stuff like the reload button and the ||summon|| button, but other than that, it's great

livid nimbus Dec 28, 2019, 11:13 PM

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my only problem with having the default is that the rifles reload button is not marker

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it just says "press button to reload"

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not WICH button to press

valid burrow Dec 28, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Am I the only one who likes the Zeus aspect of the shield? I've seen a lot of people saying it's not that great, but i think it is.

livid nimbus Dec 28, 2019, 11:14 PM

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i dont use anything but the Zag aspects

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because i can

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lel

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Does anyone else feel like all the gods are good except dionysus? Like i've legit never thought, ya know what this run needs? Some slow ticking bad poison damage

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:18 PM

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dionysus is stupid good

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Really?

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:19 PM

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yeah his cast deals the highest burst damage

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:19 PM

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his poison is mostly bad though

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:19 PM

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poison can stack which makes it really good on fast hitting attacks that don't hit hard

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:19 PM

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i'd rather use aphrodites

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:19 PM

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only useful for privilege imo

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:19 PM

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since they don't scale well on % damage increase

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and his combo with poseidon gives you guaranteed epics

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:20 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/250297497153568779/660623081538060304/unknown.png

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Errr

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:20 PM

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you'd still rather have zeus on rail but he is def second there yh

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:20 PM

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What is wrong with that red arrow path?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:20 PM

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yeah i don't know why it does that sometimes

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with both double and triple shot

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Throwing that into #hades-feedback

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:21 PM

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If it takes me longer then 20 minutes to win the game I feel like i'm playing in slow motion

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and dionysus is a slow af play style

jolly parcel Dec 28, 2019, 11:21 PM

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that happened in my first hades fight with double shot, thought it was a debuff he caused

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:22 PM

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It happened for the first time to me just now, it didn't start until the Theseus fight began

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:22 PM

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For real tho, who do y'all think is the most OP god and why is it Athena and Artemis

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:22 PM

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if you run hestia rail then you shouldn't go zeus

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:22 PM

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because they deflect and crit and it's great

livid nimbus Dec 28, 2019, 11:22 PM

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well because they are both waifs

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obviously

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:22 PM

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aphro and hermes are both third

small girder Dec 28, 2019, 11:22 PM

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support arrow rail is hilarious

wicked warren Dec 28, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Athena is S tier for the dash alone tbh

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:23 PM

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support arrow flurry jab spear is a better version

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Athena is S tier for dash and backstab damage

small girder Dec 28, 2019, 11:23 PM

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doesn't even matter what rarity

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for the dash

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:23 PM

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backstab damage??? what planet are you on

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Athena is ridicc for her deflect spam and survivability

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:23 PM

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I forgot the name of the boon

small girder Dec 28, 2019, 11:23 PM

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the one that gives exposed

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:23 PM

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but the damage that reflects does X more damage on back attacks

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Blinding Deflection, iirc?

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:23 PM

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ya that one

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 PM

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oh no i'm well aware

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but how tf do you reliably get backstabs on enemies

jolly parcel Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 PM

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i think phalanx shot cast is being slept on heavy

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 PM

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you roll?

vernal cradle Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Go behind them

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Phalanx Shot has amazing base damage.

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 PM

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backstabbing is pretty easy LOL

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 PM

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phalanx shot is fine

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 PM

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And good homing.

small girder Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 PM

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phalanx is an ez early game carry

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 PM

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they turn around instantly tho

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 PM

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it's good, but I'd just use any other cast

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 PM

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no they don't?

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 PM

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They don't have instant turning, just strong homing

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They can't 180.

jolly parcel Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 PM

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i put hades bodybag in a bodybag with that cast

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Hera bow with Athena cast goes pretty far

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:25 PM

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try hera aspect with dionysus cast 😬

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Being able to slap Hades skulls back into his face also helps save time and stress.

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You mean blind yourself? XD

small girder Dec 28, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Hera Aspect is how it feels to be an archer in Anor Londo

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:26 PM

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burst shot dio cast on hera is a great way to not see anything on the battlefield

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Yep!

jolly parcel Dec 28, 2019, 11:26 PM

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i had Hermes rapid fire cast boon along with 2 chaos cast dmg boons and Poseidon sword

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:26 PM

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I'm having fun messing around with Poseidon cast on Hera bow, 7 casts of flood shot on a single location is blinding

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:26 PM

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spreadfire zeus is the best way to never see the screen

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:26 PM

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I have to admit, Artemis's "Supporting Fire" is in my opinion one of the best non-duo non-Legendary boons.

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:26 PM

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And also carpets the entire room

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esp on high attack speed weapons.

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:26 PM

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It's absurd.

small girder Dec 28, 2019, 11:27 PM

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idk i'd put deflect on dash higher

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:27 PM

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aren't artemis boons just not the best for damage in general lol

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:27 PM

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supporting fire + Flurry Jab on spear most fun combo

small girder Dec 28, 2019, 11:27 PM

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and support arrow a close second

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:27 PM

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watch those lil arrows fly

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:27 PM

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It's BiS with high attack speed like flurry jab, or double dash attack on Sword.

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Or anytyhing on rail-

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:27 PM

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It's free extra flat damgae XD

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:27 PM

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The game just gives in.

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:28 PM

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ppl seem to not realize that the spear attacks super fast while dashing if you have the flurry jab

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Best is that the mirror damage AMP with debuffs applies to those arrows too.

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:28 PM

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I think it's straight up highest dps in the game

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:28 PM

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So if ya' got poison and weak-

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Things just melt.

small girder Dec 28, 2019, 11:28 PM

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rail + infinite ammo + supporting arrow + zeus attack boon

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particle pandemonium

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Isn't a blade rift build the highest DPS?

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:28 PM

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for a weapon**

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:28 PM

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oh, yes.

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Supporting Fire is crazy. And imo needs a bit of toning as it is quite.. eh.. good.

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Like very good.

small girder Dec 28, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Speaking of good boons, while not BiS Ares's Call has carried some pretty meh runs

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:29 PM

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^

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Ares's Call is super good.

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Sleeper Call.

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:29 PM

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what's the best call?

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Depends

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Artemis?

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Artemis' call is... underwhelming imo?

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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I hate zeus's call

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I like her call because it's literally free damage, no change in gameplan

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Like, really underwhelming. It's either one arrow or 10 arrows.

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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For DPS and nuking bosses prolly Artemis call or Aphrodite call.

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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just hit the button and do 900 damage

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Aphrodite call does 2.5k

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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at max

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Fully charged.

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Yeah.

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Which is still significant burst.

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Art doesn't need max to smack a hoe down

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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In my opinion the best is Zeus call.

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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And might just be me, but Artemis call rarely crits for me.

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Poseidon's call is my go-to call if I don't have any specific plan in mind

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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REALLY?

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:30 PM

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I really, really enjoy Zeus or Athena calls.

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Zeus call is absurdly high DPS, even for just one stock.

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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a bunch of free damage + invincibility sounds like a great deal to me

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Zeus for high flat damage that's AoE, and Athena for panic buttons.

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Just pop it and stand on the enemy, watch it pop.

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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^^

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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My fav will always be Ares call

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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The game doesn't seem to really favor panic buttons with how regular the danger is.

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You don't really get "cornered".

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Not to mention it also benefits from the Mirror Damage amp from debuffs, and if you have the Jolt Boon-

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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I like Ares' as well but it def needs a speed buff IMO

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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welp.

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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just get hermes boons lol

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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You have just become the One Call Wonder

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Ares call with the boon that makes its damage tick up

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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I don't know, getting hemmed in by multiple Hades' skulls and his own 3-hit combo is pretty scary.

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:31 PM

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so much fun

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:32 PM

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or use zag sword

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Overlapping hitboxes? Athena call through it.

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Do movement speed buffs effect Ares' call?

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I never tested it myself

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:32 PM

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They should.

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:32 PM

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I think so?

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Also, change my mind:

Hardest boss in the game is EM Hydra.

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Alecto?

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Alecto hits like a truck.

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Extreme Measures Hydra.

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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ehhhhhhh

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Especially on high heat.

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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I have little problem with any of the Fury sisters

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Alecto kinda just d i e s

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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What fire do you guys play on?

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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I usually end up losing at least one death defiance on EM Theseus + Asterius

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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8-16

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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I try to stay around 14-18

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Ditto with death

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Beef boy duo catching you sleeping is the fastest death in the game though.

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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I'm on 8 and counting rn, busy doing the titan blood grind

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Most of that comes from the extra boss mechanics tho

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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highest atm for me was 25, but the game is much more fun between 8-16

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Though if you just want to blast, low heat is the thing.

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:34 PM

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^^

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:34 PM

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But especially with the extra trap damage, EM Hydra just.. ugh.

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:34 PM

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All I try to avoid is the extra mob HP

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:34 PM

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anyone here who have the same issue as I do?

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:34 PM

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One dash, and you tick for 9 damage each.

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:34 PM

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forgetting to use companions

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😔

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Nah cus I always try to go for hydra skip

jolly parcel Dec 28, 2019, 11:34 PM

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what's the lowest heat that can be considered high heat?

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:34 PM

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I've got it a few times

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Yo speedrun tech?

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Link that Hydra SKip

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Unless you mean like "Pop Aprhodite call"

jolly parcel Dec 28, 2019, 11:35 PM

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from what i heard, Aphrodite call pops you

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Aphrodite call with the raw 2.5k DMG just skips a complete phase.

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 11:36 PM

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I would consider "high heat" to be maxed EM and maxed Forced Overtime. How much heat do those things generate together?

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:36 PM

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idk if it has a video but if you can do 3k? damage it will only shield once

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so most people use meg + aphrodite special / some other super burst

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:37 PM

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That's 12, I guess?

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Or does Forced Overtime go just twice?

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:37 PM

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I was watching Haelian speed run it and he showed me it

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idk if I can find the video for it

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:38 PM

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Does overtime ever switch to double heat, or do all of the levels for it stay at 1 heat each?

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 11:38 PM

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OH RIGHT, I forgot Heightened Security.

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:38 PM

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max EM gives you 5 heat

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:38 PM

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Just five?

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I thought it increased by two each.

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:39 PM

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1 + 2 + 2, iirc?

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:39 PM

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^

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Ooh!

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:39 PM

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It's a pretty good 5 heat, love it 😄

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Esp Extreme Theseus.

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:39 PM

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At this point I'm so used to EM that I always take it

limpid tapir Dec 28, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Hearing Zag mock Theseus' chariot is amazing.

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^^

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Plus it makes Hydra less of a slog

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 11:40 PM

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There is dialogue for switching off Extreme Measures.

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Who wanted to see the hydra skip again?

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I found it

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:40 PM

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🖐️

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Also, finally after like- 36 runs in, I can finally Romance Meg.

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I do too, thanks.

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:40 PM

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https://www.speedrun.com/hades/run/zqrq6w9y

speedrun.com

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

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at 8:44

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Saves like minute or 2 in your run if you can get it

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:41 PM

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WELP

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:41 PM

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phase skip hm

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:41 PM

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I've only get it a few times and i've always had to use meg

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Will probably be patched out lol, definitely not intended, but that is some dope tech.

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:42 PM

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but it's always fun to go for lol

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Yoinking it.

#

There is no standard yet for Hades runs, right? No heat requirements or anything.

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Or are there different categories?

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32 heat, etc-

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No heat-

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:42 PM

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ya I don't think so

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No one is really speed running it at the moment

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my fastest in game time is 14 minutes but these dudes are doing it in 10-8 minutes

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:43 PM

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Damn, I thought I was hot for doing it in 18.

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IN MY DEFENSE-

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No Meg legendary tho.

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:44 PM

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gotta get that meg

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she makes all the bosses free

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:44 PM

#

the companion?

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:44 PM

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ya

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ez 2k damage

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:45 PM

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Gotta grind all that Titan blood first.

#

Still missing a few upgrades.

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Esp for Bow-

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~~Bow is so bad imo, don't quote me.~~

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:45 PM

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How dare you

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:46 PM

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I'm also a bow hater

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:46 PM

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I will not tolerate this blatant bow hatred here

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@ mods can we get two bans here

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:46 PM

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bow is really good to like win streak

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But if you want a fast run, gotta go shield or sword

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:46 PM

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It drops off late.

#

Satyr rooms with bow is just-

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ugh.

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Would rather not.

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:46 PM

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I don't think it ever drops, it's just slow

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:46 PM

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I think shield feels slow

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what am I doing wrong

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 11:47 PM

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So your "basic" heat package is Tight Deadline 1, Heightened Security 2, and Extreme Measures 3. That's 9 heat. You can grab 4 points in an enemy damage boost, and 4 points in an enemy defense boost to bring this up to 17 Heat. After 17 Heat, you cannot avoid hitting the quadratic scaling that occurs between multiple different conditions, therefore anything above 18 heat is the zone of "high heat".

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:47 PM

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shield is used to get world record time

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Not spamming Dash attack into bullrush.

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Kappa

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:47 PM

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shield with explosive return can full clear rooms in seconds

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Is explosive return effected by boons on your special?

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EG would it put weak on foes if you have Aphro's boon

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 11:48 PM

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When it comes to basic conditions like more health and more damage, it is always most optimal to max a condition before moving onto the next one, because every condition is additive with itself but multiplicative with other conditions along the same axis.

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:49 PM

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it's effected by special damage i'm pretty sure

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I'm not 100% on that tho

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but i've 100% see it do more then 60 damage

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:50 PM

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lowkey wanna see ares artemis athena flurry jab spear

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:50 PM

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Flurry jab is easily the best hammer in the game in terms of pure raw fun

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you attack so fast it's unreal

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:51 PM

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gotta spam that dash tho

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Flurry jab should be its own aspect with how badly it interacts with Hades and Achilles aspect.

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:51 PM

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i never get attack speed boons from hermes when i pick flurry upgrades pepehands

shy nexus Dec 28, 2019, 11:51 PM

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It really does not even matter.

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It is so good it stands on it's own two feet, despite not synergizing.

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:51 PM

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^^

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also achilles helps with repositioning regardless

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:51 PM

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how is flurry bad with achilles tho?

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:52 PM

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% damage scaling with spin removed I assume

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Because Achilles mostly synergies with either your cast or your spin attack, because you want big hits.

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:52 PM

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i mean

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a % attack boon gets you there

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:53 PM

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slap artemis attack boon on that one

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and you will get crit after crit

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it's mad

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kills armored enemies in under a second because of it being multiple attacks

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:54 PM

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I hope they add more companions

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 11:54 PM

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We can at least agree that being on Zagreus aspect when you are offered flurry jab is the best case scenario though.

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By far.

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:54 PM

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I don't like zag aspect

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:54 PM

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at least two more will be added if the keepsake shelf is anything to go by

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:55 PM

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the achilles range and speed is fine already

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:55 PM

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I wonder for who

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:55 PM

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having extra jump is useful

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:55 PM

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hypnos is a likely candidate imo

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Maybe petroc?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:55 PM

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maybe cerberus

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:55 PM

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oh cerb is a good one

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get a little best boi action

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:56 PM

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i doubt you'd be able to get anything with petroclus what with him being stuck in elysium and already in a relationship

last nacelle Dec 28, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Do we really need a THIRD companion that can't be used against Hades?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:56 PM

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we already have 4

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:56 PM

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who else thought patroclus and achilles were lovers until you read up on lore

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Makes me want a friend who would miss me that much

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:56 PM

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i haven't read up on the lore yet dang

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:57 PM

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They're just suuuuuuuper homies

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:57 PM

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i did think they were lovers yes

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Wait what

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I thought they were in a relationship with how they talked about each other

turbid needle Dec 28, 2019, 11:58 PM

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they might still be lovers in the ingame canon

north kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:59 PM

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nah

pastel jolt Dec 28, 2019, 11:59 PM

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they....... are

stuck siren Dec 28, 2019, 11:59 PM

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do you actually know this

cosmic dawn Dec 28, 2019, 11:59 PM

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I mean, during one of Achilles' conversations after giving him nectar, he says he can't really date you if that was what you were hoping for due to already loving someone else

pastel jolt Dec 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

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yes

stuck siren Dec 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

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or are you just speculating

cosmic dawn Dec 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

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so that seems like solid confirmation to me

stuck siren Dec 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

#

o

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get some achilles

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

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The fact that Forced Overtime goes up to 5 might make it the best damage condition to start with.

north kernel Dec 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

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in homeric writings about achilles and patroclus, there isn't a love dynamic between them

pastel jolt Dec 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

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no offense my guy but have you, like, talked to achilles

north kernel Dec 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

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BUT

stuck siren Dec 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Yeah i've read all his lore

north kernel Dec 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

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later greek authors did expand upon that

stuck siren Dec 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

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he never once says he smashed my dude

north kernel Dec 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

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and there is a bit going on

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according to those

pastel jolt Dec 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

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mr. "we could have been no closer"

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"i loved him with all my heart"

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

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This isn't gameplay anymore.

north kernel Dec 29, 2019, 12:01 AM

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true

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:01 AM

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just.... bros being bros....

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dudes being dudes.....

stuck siren Dec 29, 2019, 12:01 AM

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you can love someone without it being sexual

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:02 AM

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and you can be in a relationship with someone without sexuality

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ace gang

stuck siren Dec 29, 2019, 12:02 AM

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Like don't get me wrong, I wouldn't care if they were lovers but in actual greek mythology they are not lovers

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:02 AM

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also i really don't get why ingame achilles, your mentor and teacher, would tell you about his sexual experiences with patroclus

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Still not the hardest mythology deviation in the game. Zagreus himself holds that position.

stuck siren Dec 29, 2019, 12:03 AM

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I didn't even know Zagreus was a real thing

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Though it's still not impossible that Zagreus will become Dionysus in the future.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:04 AM

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just eats the current incarnation of dionysus

inland timber Dec 29, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Hey, so I'm really enjoying this game, but is it normal for frames to drop or stutter? I have a pretty beefy PC so I doubt any hardware performance issues

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:04 AM

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beta game

cosmic dawn Dec 29, 2019, 12:04 AM

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The game only stuttered like once for me

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:04 AM

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What engine does the game use?

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:04 AM

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i do get small feeezes and stutters from time to time yh

stuck siren Dec 29, 2019, 12:05 AM

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I havn't noticed any so far

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Isn't the most performance stressful section of the game the murderboat?

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:05 AM

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i have a pretty bad pc tbh

stuck siren Dec 29, 2019, 12:05 AM

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can we talk about how awful the murder boat is

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:05 AM

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mm murderboat is a pain

inland timber Dec 29, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Ok, wasn't sure if it was something weird with my PC, because a lot of games seem to have random stutters after upgrading to a rtx 2070 super

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or they might have been there before and I just didn't pay much attention to them

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might just be hyper aware of these things now

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:06 AM

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The awfulness of the murderboat depends on whether or not you have a good way of dealing with void stones.

cosmic dawn Dec 29, 2019, 12:06 AM

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barge of death with middle management gets a lot easier with Athena dash

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:06 AM

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If you for some reason have Boiling Point and Zeus's Aid during the murderboat, it's easy.

inland timber Dec 29, 2019, 12:06 AM

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is the murderboat the part in the lava area where you're riding the giant piece of land with the spine on it?

cosmic dawn Dec 29, 2019, 12:06 AM

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And I'm guessing with any Athena boon that gives deflect

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yeah

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:07 AM

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bow handles mm murderboat pretty well with its piercing shots

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and anything that deflects ups your survival chances by a lot

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Poseidon or Ares Aid works too. If you have any AoE call + Boiling Point, you can smash the boat.

cosmic dawn Dec 29, 2019, 12:08 AM

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AOE casts work wonders as well

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:08 AM

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I mention calls specifically just because there is no way you're avoiding damage, and since you're going to be getting hit anyways, Boiling Point is extremely powerful.

stuck bough Dec 29, 2019, 12:09 AM

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what is a good build for the chiron bow?

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:09 AM

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aphro on attack, artemis on special

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:09 AM

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Always get a debuff on your attack. ALWAYS

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:09 AM

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try to get the duo

stuck bough Dec 29, 2019, 12:10 AM

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aight

north kernel Dec 29, 2019, 12:10 AM

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then get athena dash

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Artemis on special is a bit questionable because it's hard to get privileged status on the bow.

thin hull Dec 29, 2019, 12:10 AM

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what?

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artemis on special lets you wipe entire waves

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since it also buffs the damage on special

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:11 AM

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ah yes but have you considered the inordinate amount of damage you get from artemis on special

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:12 AM

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Best case scenario for Chiron aspect is using Athena attack, Aphrodite Special, and getting the Artemis/Athena due boon for crit.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:12 AM

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perfect comp would probs be aphro attack, artemis special, athena dash, exposed boon, aphro/artemis duo and weak length boon

north kernel Dec 29, 2019, 12:13 AM

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don't forget 20% crit chance after deflect duo for athena artemis

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:13 AM

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ye

north kernel Dec 29, 2019, 12:13 AM

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and +% dmg on weak enemies

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:13 AM

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definitely a good pickup as well

north kernel Dec 29, 2019, 12:13 AM

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and support fire

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that's 7*24 dmg per right click 😏

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:14 AM

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nah

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support fire only procs once

north kernel Dec 29, 2019, 12:14 AM

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oh?

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:14 AM

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I just don't like the idea of relying on your cast or dash for reaching Privileged Status.

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On the bow I mean.

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It's not as awkward on the other weapons.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:15 AM

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crit dmg is better than privilege tho?

north kernel Dec 29, 2019, 12:15 AM

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I don't like the idea of using sub par combinations for a +25% buff when I could get a large damage boost and crits for double damage

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:15 AM

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it's 50% iirc

north kernel Dec 29, 2019, 12:15 AM

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I forgot the exact number

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but crit is better

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:15 AM

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and crits are 300%

north kernel Dec 29, 2019, 12:15 AM

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👀

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:22 AM

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But can we agree that Athena on attack is optimal for a best-case-scenario Chiron aspect?

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Because Deadly Reversal is way stronger than Heart Rend if you can get the set up.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:23 AM

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just get all three tbh

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i'd rather have athena dash than attack tbh but that's just me

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:31 AM

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Just ran the math. Aphrodite boons are stronger with Deadly Reversal than Artemis boons stacked with Deadly Reversal, since crit is relatively stronger when you don't already have crit. It's obviously harder to get Deadly Reversal if you have Aphrodite damage boons though.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:32 AM

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aight but the aphro/artemis duo though

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Deadly Reversal on an epic-level Deadly Flourish is 3.78 times as much damage on average vs base. Deadly Reversal on an epic-level Heartbreak flourish is 4.42 times as much damage on average vs base.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:33 AM

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good to know! i'll try and keep it in mind

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Oh wait, I didn't realize how bonus crit damage stacks. I should run the numbers on Heart Rend too.

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With just Heart Rend, epic Deadly Flourish deals 2.88 times as much damage as base on average vs weak foes.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:37 AM

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yeah but you'll often get pressure points or the bonus crit damage buff

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it's hard to evaluate the synergy overall, rarely happens in a vacuum

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but i am surprised at how low that is

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and by base, you do mean base deadly flourish, not base special right?

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:39 AM

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Athena attack and Artemis special with Deadly Reversal doesn't let you no-brain like Heart Rend does though.

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No, I'm talking base special.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:39 AM

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definitely an upside for me with my tiny brain

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:39 AM

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I'm calculating how much these groups of boons amp the base special on average.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:40 AM

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wait seriously? so it'd do 115 a pop on average?

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:40 AM

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Athena is the goddess of wisdom, so it makes sense that she rewards brain usage.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:41 AM

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@last nacelle What do you think would be an easy to go smash things with a sword/arrow's buildup?

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I get the brainer thing and that's why the game is designed as rogue-like, sometimes we have to think.

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But let's say you also want to go the easiest way.

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:42 AM

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Ironically, I think Athena also enables the most unga strategies too.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:42 AM

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Like the shield deflect?

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:42 AM

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Sword deflect used to be stronger, which is why it got nerfed.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Ah that's interesting.

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I started yesterday and found it pretty good.

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:43 AM

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The thing about playing unga with athena though is that you can't really take advantage of her duo boons much.

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Spent Spirit doesn't require any extra brain power to use, but it's her weakest one.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:44 AM

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So far I strongly believe Dionysus poison+Herme's speed+Ares' blade dash are very solid.

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And maybe I don't know, like Poseidon or Zeus on the side.

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But that's probably me and Artemis is good, too.

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I can't get used to Aphrodite though, even though her weak is actually decent strategy to min max some chip damage on enemies and making them weak.

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Ultra low-brain build is Zagreus spear with Athena attack, Artemis call, Athena Dash, and Deadly Reversal.

stuck bough Dec 29, 2019, 12:46 AM

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which cast is best for poseidon sword?

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Sounds very evil, Gaswafers, I like that.

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:46 AM

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This build is the best one I think for getting good results even when you just do nothing but mash attack.

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Best casts for cast aspects are Athena and Artemis.

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Did you know that it used to be possible to skip phases on bosses by dealing a big enough hit?

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:50 AM

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cf shpoon's 14k damage aphro call clip earlier today

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:50 AM

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The easiest way to do this by accident was getting a very lucky Pressure Points crit on Poseidon's Aid.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Oh that's cool.

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Kind of cheap, too. lol

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I take it they fixed it?

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Yeah, phases now ignore the overflow damage.

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It did make speedruns kind of degenerate.

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You don't want RNG to be the hard determiner of speedrun times.

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Also, Thanatos companion necessitated this change.

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:53 AM

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One strange thing that happened to me yesterday fighting Megaera, in her circles move just before we both die due to low hp, I hit attack the right moment the circle landed on me, but I was on the other side of the room and all enemies around me, and somehow she died by that and I won.

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Wanted to ask if this is another bug or if it's supposed to be this way, like, hitting the circles the right moment.

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Are peeps already speedrunning this?

onyx lintel Dec 29, 2019, 12:54 AM

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Yeah

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In about 10 min IGT, 18 RTA

turbid needle Dec 29, 2019, 12:55 AM

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Oh damn

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That sounds good.

frozen panther Dec 29, 2019, 12:57 AM

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so im doing a run to see how much hp i can possibly get without cerberus' keepsake

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im at 402

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in elyisum

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500 possible?

onyx lintel Dec 29, 2019, 12:57 AM

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Also, if any dev is watching, could you please implement in the codex the list if boons available?
Would be really convenient, instead of going on the wiki to theorycraft

last nacelle Dec 29, 2019, 12:58 AM

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Best setup for Zagreus bow is Deadly Strike and Heartbreak Flourish with Heart Rend.

limpid tapir Dec 29, 2019, 1:08 AM

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@onyx lintel Put that in #hades-feedback mate 😛

onyx lintel Dec 29, 2019, 1:09 AM

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@limpid tapir If only was open XD

limpid tapir Dec 29, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Yes it is XD

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Not #hades-suggestions

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'cause it's a good idea, and shoving it in the most relevant channel where they promise to read over all the feedback is A+

onyx lintel Dec 29, 2019, 1:11 AM

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@limpid tapir Discord is not letting me type in that chat room

limpid tapir Dec 29, 2019, 1:11 AM

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People are sticking suggestions in #hades-feedback anyway.

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Oh

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Right, you need to give yourself a role.

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To be able to post, first visit #bot-commands and type ?rank Early Access

fast shardBOT Dec 29, 2019, 1:11 AM

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Please read the pinned messages in #hades-feedback before posting! Thank you for playing.

frozen panther Dec 29, 2019, 1:13 AM

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max hp without cerberus' keepsake run. Not the fastest but yeah cuz i mainly chasing hp xD https://gyazo.com/530b67441512cf5fb19348ccdf003efa

Gyazo

onyx lintel Dec 29, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Got it, thanks @limpid tapir

limpid tapir Dec 29, 2019, 1:13 AM

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452, lmao XD

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No worries, glad to assist o7

frozen panther Dec 29, 2019, 1:13 AM

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I tried ;-;

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but 500+ seems achievable

crimson geyser Dec 29, 2019, 1:17 AM

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so the final shop in styx has no boons this run... any idea what might cause that? it's got 3 poms, a centaur heart, and a hermes :/

limpid tapir Dec 29, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Bad RNG?

frozen panther Dec 29, 2019, 1:17 AM

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its random

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sooo yeah