Spearhead is pretty boring, but it will save your but a lot of times
#h1-builds-and-combat
mild crag
Patrolcus
Or however you spell his name
Npc in elysium
Gives impervious after getting hit
turbid needle
and where do you get the duo power one
turbid needle
aww
floral wedge
Yeah I just take one at the start, and the other for act 2/3
and take any boons of the two gods I'm looking at
usually swap to the spearhead after act 3
turbid needle
speaking of which
can you swap to bone hourglass, buy stuff with durations, swap to something else, and then keep the extended durations?
turbid needle
yeah but let's say you brought hourglass thru tartarus and buy a hydralite and cyclops jerky before switching
i'd assume it retains the duration but i haven't tested it myself
can you use up lucky tooth's death defiance, swap out after some point, then after that, swap back to lucky tooth to regain its thing?
you can't reuse a keepsake you already equipped
oh
wind vale
that and isnt lucky tooths dd always the last to get used - or do i remember that wrong?
wind vale
and chaos ones before that, right?
wind vale
or was that only because i didnt miss one when i picked it up
you can get chaos as additional ones over your limit
turbid needle
yes
wind vale
but im not sure how it interacts
turbid needle
it's just another normal dd that can be refilled
turbid needle
yep
it'll only give you one but you should still have the empty slot of the one you lost prior to that
wind vale
so chaos always increases the limit - ty
turbid needle
np
gloomy scroll
I've never seen defiance from Chaos, how rare is it?
wind vale
its classified as legendary
turbid needle
it's extremely rare
wind vale
and has no requirements afaik - so quite rare
turbid needle
i've seen it once so far
carmine raven
@turbid needle
turbid needle
sup
carmine raven
yeah but let's say you brought hourglass thru tartarus and buy a hydralite and cyclops jerky before switching i'd assume it retains the duration but i haven't tested it myself
I did the test, you can do that
carmine raven
hourglass is quite powerful in region 1 or 2 due to this tech
teal laurel
FINALLY DEFEATED HADES
frosty pier
Nice! Now choose some unberable heat conditions and do it again!
turbid needle
๐ DO ๐ IT ๐ AGAIN ๐
teal laurel
:^3 then artemis special crit with nemesis aspecet
turbid needle
You get World Splitter?
turbid needle
That's pretty good.
teal laurel
double dash attack and double nova
turbid needle
Ugh, I hate Double Nova now.
turbid needle
Hey, if it works for you, take it.
turbid needle
Yeah, I wanna Nova directly out of a dash attack so I can hit with World Splitter.
turbid needle
Nope. I think if you Special then Dash so that Nova goes off immediately after the Dash, you dash attack after the Nova if you press the button as soon as the game lets the attack come out.
And while I think you immediately attack again and get WS, it throws off my rhythm really badly.
I guess I need to go for Flurry Slash more frequently, since that seamlessly activates after a dash attack.
turbid needle
Yeah, that's rough.
teal laurel
while having poseidon
turbid needle
Don't ever take Tempest Strike. It's just not good.
turbid needle
Maybe.
I don't like how small of a boost it gives.
Poseidon and Aphrodite need to swap damage values (maybe not their Casts).
teal laurel
i just like poseidonn stuff
mostly due to rupture and jolted being one of the best debuffs
and i like fishing for zeus poseidon
with sword
turbid needle
Okay.
teal laurel
you know what works with double thrust world splitter?
crit
that or poison
solo world splitter is doom and weak
double thrust and piercing wave is poison
turbid needle
Okay, spawning into Tipsy Shot and first room Chaos +1 Bloodstone has made me like Hera.
next stop : artemis keepsake
Aaand we have Scintillating Feast.
Oh. Oh.
I should have done that instead of Dio.
turbid needle
Okay, this might be one of the coolest builds in the game.
Wow. I'd heard about this months ago but simply never tried it in favor of Chiron.
Level 4 rare Tipsy Shot with 7 Bloodstones and Scintillating Feast, Dio's Aid, and Privileged Status dropped Hades to his first health gate in a single shot.
This build is amazing.
trim dust
rancid fractal
gray plover
1362 crit but I didn't expect it so didn't screenshot 
crimson geyser
does the pact that buffs mini-boss encounters affect the Asterius solo fight?
stray frigate
and butterfly ball?
void perch
Report about translation errors can be said on #hades-feedback , right?
turbid needle
That or F10.
void perch
Thank you
little grotto
oh boy, Vengeful Mood (Zeus Ares duo auto revenge proc) is horrible on Hades fight, popping all those urns at my foot xd
turbid needle
@void perch actually goes in #hades-localization
Oh, wow, that should have been obvious. Sorry.
quasi pendant
Anyone know what "Ambiguity Bonus" refers to? It's one of Bouldy's Boons
I'm assuming it's one of his normal bonuses just unlabeled
azure swan
so i've got a Death Barge with Middle Management
outstanding experience
ima try it again
turbid needle
it gets better
turbid needle
i didn't drop a dd without any deflect boons last time i did it
it's certainly overtuned but it's playable
wouldn't want to play it with any more heat conditions stacked on top tho
azure swan
had 24 heat
turbid needle
oh yeah yikes that must have been a terrible first encounter with it
azure swan
hestia gun and literally not a single boon for Attack 
i managed to kill first 2 waves almost unscathed and then somehow lost all my dd on 3rd
turbid needle
ye, it's a mess
wind vale
i never realized that in trials the god powers against you were affected by spent spirit
turbid needle
Ooh, they count as projectiles?
wind vale
i made the otherwise really stupid decision to side against artemis since i really wanted unhealthy fixation(and i got it ๐ )
and her tracking was so slow it was a joke
so they have to count
or at least some
that would have been such a stupid impulsive decision to do on a really hard run for me but i got lucky
turbid needle
i've got a hammer in the shop before furies, is it gonna be in a later part of the game if i skip it or will i lose it?
wind vale
hammer can always appear later as well
its just that the first unlocks at the start and the 2nd in elysium - can collect them at any point
azure swan
you can get 1st hammer in asphodel still
turbid needle
aight good
wind vale
you can get both in styx
but youd have to reroll a chamber at some point for that
so last room in elysium and one in styx is more realistic for late hammers
strong verge
I think I'm going to try Hera Bow with Tipsy Shot for my next run.
native ether
Hammer no longer appears in Styx
neither in the shop nor in the wings
So if you miss it in Elysium, you miss it for the run
turbid needle
Pretty sure there was a patch removing it.
native ether
+ Temple of Styx: Daedalus Hammers no longer offered as rewards for the clearing mini-boss chambers
native ether
As of December 6th it doesn't happen anymore, so if you see a Hammer in Styx, its a bug.
solid cairn
I wonder how good all the weapons are with every Hanmer upgrade
Some override others but still
turbid needle
Like, if they had all of them at once?
solid cairn
Yes
turbid needle
At least ones that aren't exclusive?
solid cairn
?
turbid needle
Well, you can't have, for example, Flurry Fire and Spread Fire on the rail, but none of Flurry Fire, Explosive Fire, Rocket Bomb, or Triple Bombard are mutually exclusive.
native ether
regardless, i dont think its guaranteed to appear if you miss it (and since this is technically a bug, I wouldn't count on it sticking around), so pick it up when you see it in Elysium so you dont miss it
solid cairn
Yeah
If we could give a weapon every hammer upgrade we could probably make inf ammo flurry fire and spread stack
wind vale
explosive and piercing alone would be crazy
solid cairn
And those work with inf ammo
wind vale
but also with good hammers
turbid needle
Infinity Fire is good.
wind vale
it specifically removes the good ones
turbid needle
It is one of the good ones.
turbid needle
You've never used it with Zeus, have you?
turbid needle
I don't think you understand the damage increase that happens with Infinity Chamber's uptime.
wind vale
about .5%
turbid needle
๐
native ether
Infinity Chamber increases your uptime assuming you dont dash reload constantly. I consider it one of the better hammers for players trying to learn how to utilize the rail, but I prefer a Flurry or Spread Fire attack most of the time.
Infinity Chamber is kinda also moot on 2 aspects. Hestia (where you're gonna reload anyways thus its not saving you real time) and Zagreus (where it removes the point of the aspect entirely)
turbid needle
Yes, that's why it synergizes so well with Eris.
native ether
With Eris its great assuming I don't have Spread Shot and Dionysus offered. I prefer Flurry Fire but that's due to how I play the rail. I'll take Chamber though if its offered and I don't have a better choice.
wind vale
there are always 3 options
and i would need to be very stuck in a build that i could think of 2 worse
native ether
not having to reload does more for your damage than you'd think. Its not giving you more capacity or faster/more damaging attack, but reloading every 6-12 shots for a second each time definitely reduces your damage output whereas you could be constantly shooting instead
oh nah its easy to think of Hammers I wouldn't want. Piercing Fire and Inescapable Blast
wind vale
not even with explosive fire
turbid needle
With Explosive Fire it's also a complete stunlock on anything unarmored that's not a boss.
wind vale
too many enemies
native ether
Piercing is just bad compared to Explosive so taking it is a debuff cause it locks me out of explosive fire.
Inescapable is a crutch hammer. You don't need it if you can place your specials with good positioning. Its a good hammer though, just not one I generally need.
I also personally really dislike Rocket Bomb as I suck at aiming it.
turbid needle
I find Inescapable Blast nice when Forced Overtime is cranked up.
native ether
That's fair
turbid needle
Especially with Triple Blast, you get field slowing.
native ether
Generally though, my preferred hammer combo is Spread Fire and Explosive Fire
wind vale
explosive seems the necessary one tho
turbid needle
Explosive Fire works well with all of the fire-types.
native ether
definitely not necessary, helpful sure, but plenty of enemies are armored as it is its not really going to save you, and it offers nothing against bosses besides better splash damage
turbid needle
I do appreciate it with helping aim a little.
wind vale
explosive makes the build - flurry or spread improves it
(or more flurry or spread improves it a lot, infinity a tiny amount)
native ether
nah definitely disagree. Explosive Fire is not necessary at all to make a good rail build. I've had plenty of runs succeed without it. Explosive Fire is one of the ones I look for, but I usually grab it second. Spread Fire/Flurry Fire/Infinity Chamber is what increases my damage, Explosive Fire just provides some AoE and hitstun coverage which lets you play slightly more aggressive in Elysium.
Though I think if you find Explosive Fire absolutely necessary to win a Rail run, or necessary for a Rail combo, you might be playing too aggressively and being hit a lot by it.
I will say I definitely look for it when I use Spread Fire cause it requires me to be a lot closer to enemies, but i don't think its required at all. Triple Bomb, Inescapable Blast, and Rocket Bomb all make good substitutes for it for the purpose of slowing down enemies or providing better stun utility.
With Eris I'd say Triple Bomb is way more valuable. So much more damage
turbid needle
We got the dream Zeus combo, gentlemen.
aight, got both my hammers in elysium, separated only by one room
I always forget how nutty Swift Strike and Swift Flourish are in tandem.
big fan energy
tame depot
Soo quick question, how exactly does the bow dash attack work? Just dashing after charging doesnt seem to do it?
native ether
you dash and then your next attack (within a short time) will charge faster but do less damage
median ridge
with artemis dash and some chaos bonuses, the dash attack damage can get pretty nutty
tame depot
yeah, that's what i thought too
median ridge
i almost never do a non-dash attack with the bow
tame depot
I have a 135% dash and 75% chaos boon
With the daedalus "exploding 300% dmg slow attack" mod
median ridge
you just attack right after dashing. not much else to it but learning the rhythm. you can tell when its a dash attack because the charge animation is very different
for a normal attack, zag holds the bow sideways
for a dash, he holds the bow upright
median ridge
sounds like a bug
tame depot
It does charge significantly faster
median ridge
i don't use the exploding bow hammer very much so i'm not familiar with how it works, but maybe it makes the dash attack bonus expire before it fully charges because of the extra charge time?
tame depot
Also it's 300% damage buff, could be just not applying the daedalus bonus
median ridge
i've only picked up that hammer once and only to get the fated list complete
turbid needle
As long as you press the Attack button in the middle of a dash, it will apply.
There's no timing window for firing the charged shot afterwards.
maiden hawk
Hey, can anyone tell me if Dash Attack boons do anything for Bow and Rail, since those 2 don't seem to have an actual Dash Attack?
turbid needle
They do.
Bow Dash Attacks deal less damage but charge more quickly, the rail has a much faster fire rate for one round.
maiden hawk
Ah, okay. Thank you!
native cipher
do sources of damage reduction stack additively or multiplicatively?
turbid needle
i assume additively? i don't think the cap makes sense if it's multiplicative
native cipher
there's a cap?
turbid needle
80%
limpid tapir
Maaan I just lost my 25 win streak.
gray plover
rip
limpid tapir
Had a bad run-in with Theseus, left me softened up enough for Hades to finish me off
But hey! At least I bought a Titan Blood from Charon
gray plover
did someone mention the streak?
limpid tapir
Stretched for the last 200ish coin out of 1.5k to buy it, then went to Hades
gray plover
I saw a few lines when I had about 5ish
gray plover
must be at 26 ๐
gray plover
better get started
limpid tapir
o7
What does Extreme Measures Theseus get?
Furies have the other 1-2 back her up, Hydra changes the arena to be lava hell, Theseus gets...?
turbid needle
chariot for him, golden armor and spin for asterius
limpid tapir
...that sounds fancy af
turbid needle
also asterius gets more aoe attacks
limpid tapir
How bad is it?
turbid needle
ex hydra is such a great fight though
limpid tapir
I find it super claustrophobic and stressful XD
Mostly because there's so little room to avoid the ground pound
turbid needle
yeah but it's so much more enjoyable than the normal fight
native ether
Extreme Hydra is rough but dear lord Extreme Theseus got honestly an unnecessary mega buff
limpid tapir
It did? ๐ฎ
native ether
His bombs now do 60 damage
native ether
Asterius swings now do like 30
turbid needle
36 on the spin last i checked
i might've had some dr
36 on the spin sounds right, I think the combo is 18.
native ether
36 sounds right
muted patrol
I was playing shield
turbid needle
the entire arena changes
native ether
Hydra has a different arena
turbid needle
you might only have extreme measures 1 enabled
native ether
Yep. Lava in the middle, no health pots, less overall room, no indestructible pillars
muted patrol
Yeah, that is probably it
yeah
I didnt have that
lol, it was only ex 1
aight, ill turn it up
for next time
limpid tapir
It's worth running, just be careful XD
native ether
Theseus' minigun charges do I think 15 I think, and you can be hit multiple times pretty quickly.
turbid needle
yeah, it's not that bad until you get some forced overtime in there
native ether
Much harder
Hydra also has a nice little mechanic twist as well, we'll let you discover that :p
muted patrol
kk
turbid needle
which i love
muted patrol
i look forward to it then
turbid needle
god that ex fight is so much better than the normal fight
native ether
Theseus+ is a blast, super fun, but he hits so hard now it's painful, which sucks cause I like running it for the ridiculous dialogue alone.
turbid needle
if you turn it off again you get some more dialogue
both in the solo asterius fight and in the bossfight
stuck bough
For casts, which ones has big burst dmg like Dionysus tipsy shot?
native ether
Aphro, Artemis, Poseidon (less but area damage and slams)
muted patrol
^
stuck bough
Aight thx
muted patrol
I dont recommend zeus
unkempt pagoda
athena cast does area damage as well
muted patrol
if you are looking to lodge into the first foe you fire at
native ether
Dionysus is in my opinion tied with Artemis and Aphro for strongest casts in the game.
Athena is also good, but moves slower
muted patrol
yeah. The deflect is nice but isnt necessary
unkempt pagoda
lightning phalanx would like a word
stuck bough
I usually combine dio and Artemis for now
native ether
Lighting Phalanx is still slow, it just bounces
muted patrol
yeah
stuck bough
Bow*
muted patrol
that's honestly even more of a nightmare
native ether
Combine Dio and Zeus. Thunderdome is nuts
muted patrol
Scin Feast is pretty good, yeah
unkempt pagoda
it's still effective even if it's slower
native ether
Get Dio cast, Zeus anything, slap Scintillating Feast on anything and it's glorious (but then call it Thunderdome)
muted patrol
the arte zeus duo is nuts too
native ether
Lightning Rod is weird
turbid needle
burst shot, scintillating feast, fully loaded on hera bow
muted patrol
it pierces shields
stuck bough
Also how does one consistently get Artemis fully loaded?
muted patrol
and its 100 every 1.5 secs
per stone dropped
against thesus as like sword it is a blessing
native ether
It's a lot of damage but it works better with something like Hunting Blades or really Scintillating Feast
Might be good with Poseidon Aspect
muted patrol
?
oh yeah
pos aspect
I just throw it at their shields
and they bounce and start poking
stuck bough
I need to try the Poseidon aspect sword
native ether
What I don't like about Lightning Rod is that it reduces the cast pickup range
But it's necessary for it to do damage
Which kind of makes it just feel bad
muted patrol
I pick it up if I see it and im not doing a cast build
b/c if ur not doing a cast build, its free damage on top of what you already have
I use it with spear often
zeus attack and arte special
so its pretty easy to grab
native ether
I'd use it with Artemis cast and Poseidon Sword
Makes it easy to get Exit Wounds for extra free damage
stuck bough
Iโm gonna try dio + Zeus for the bow
stuck bough
Yee
Also Is there a consistent way to get Artemisโ fully loaded boon? I only been able to get it once
native ether
Ironically I don't have an issue with shields anymore
rocky mica
You need some artemis boons before you can get that one but other then that no. You used to be able to get +1+2 casts via her aswell. Good old times
Speaking of that, I got +6 casts now, lvl 4 epic True Shot (artemis cast) 190 damage and can upgrade to heroic poison cast, 291 damage.
lvl 3 42% secondairy shot damage
to do or not to do
rocky mica
I did it, prob should have kept it. Both kill stuff well though. ;p
No quick reload but I got max lvl bow aspect
stuck bough
Which other boons give extra casts?
turbid needle
One of Chaos' boons.
turbid arch
You will need Brilliant Riposte. That is the boon you need to have for the legendary to pop up.
gray plover
yeah I've been trying to get it now
in general, not a big fan of athena's stuff so I've avoided them in the past, and brilliant riposte especially is eh
golden steppe
does kiss of styx add an extra death defiance?
gray plover
nah
golden steppe
i have 2 but havent used either yet
eternal stag
athena's legendary is great though
gray plover
just fills them
rocky mica
No, I think you waste 200 on it if you buyt it when full. ;p
rocky mica
The new 3 max and refill system sucks early game too much and its kinda op if it refills 3 again in act 3.
turbid needle
Almost lost on 19 Heat after refilling 3 from Patroclus.
gray plover
you can do it!
thin hull
Dammit. Thanatos got me
mild crag
turbid needle
Hot dang.
gray plover
@analog sail idk if you wanna try it but when he does the laser you can stand really close to him and not get hit by it
if I have a decent enough build I just tank it though
thin hull
The heck is this build
Bow with deadly flourish, shatter shot, 2 special-boosting chaos boons, +4 special shots, and now the duo boon from Aphrodite and Artemis
strong verge
Yeah, bow with Artemis special can get pretty crazy.
thin hull
This is pretty silly
Just go for all the health doors and stand shotgunning the Hydra while tanking what it throws at me?
Shield Bois might make me actually move I guess
native ether
So here's a question I don't know the answer to
Is the number of blue laurel and gold laurel rooms per biome standardized
As in, you get the same number per run
stuck bough
which type of boons should I aim for using the Poseidon aspect sword?
cosmic dawn
I once had a run where I got Poseidon and Zeus' duo boon, the jolt boon for zeus, and Poseidon's main attack boon
Basically made it so that whenever I attacked someone I got an extra 100 or so damage on them whenever they attacked me
stuck bough
For fully loaded, do you need to get certain artemis' boons or just have enough of her boons?
turbid needle
I wanna say Cast-related.
frozen panther
thank you. going from 46 mins to 27 in one run
must say i did get pretty lucky
wanted to do an ares type of run but ended up doing poseidon zeus
got the legendary, the duo boon, breaking wave too
stuck bough
hmm I might try a athena + Zeus combo with Poseidon aspect sword
proper cape
Lightning Phalanx is a pretty good spell. It's also really nice if you can get some Artemis casting bonuses like Exit Wounds, Fully Loaded, and whatever the double cast is called.
frozen panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/442076894465359873/659939358715019264/unknown.png I have way too many Dionysus boons X)
strong zealot
No such thing as too many Dionysus boons.
frozen panther
I got so many Dionysus boons
like almost every other room had a Dionysus boon xD
Sadly I didnt win that run
messed up in the temple and lost 2 death defiances
then got rekt by hades
almost had it
hybrid frost
@turbid needle - Just my experience, but the mini-chariots are about the easiest enemy to beat in Elysium for me. Doesn't matter what weapon your using, because the way you defeat them is simply to get them to chase you and then dashing through some terrain piece while they're really close will cause them to self detonate. There stll annoying, but not really dangerous if you keep your wits about you.
turbid needle
Eh, I feel like they're too fast, too numerous, and way too difficult to deal with if they have armor unless I'm using a ranged weapon
Sure, if I have Exagryph, they're as easy as rats
But I was trying to do a sword run since that's the only weapon I haven't escaped on yet and Elysium took all 3 of my death defiances and I died to what's his name. Arceus or whatever
Granted I died on him because his Aphrodite summon is stupid powerful
Theseus?
Yeah
My knowledge of Greek Mythology is lacking
Or rather my ability to retrieve the knowledge from my brain
versed ibex
"noob trap"?
turbid needle
Poseidon, Achilles, and Eris Aspects are the ones you want for a traditional Cast build.
Hera is weird but cool and fun if it pans out.
A noob trap is a term for something in a game that appeals to someone who is new but is not to anyone who is knowledgeable of the game
versed ibex
Okay? But you're failing with the sword
turbid needle
And?
versed ibex
I mean, use the cast build if it helps you win
turbid needle
It doesn't
I feel like Cast overall is very weak
There's a Cast boon that's the strongest in the game.
It usually just gets in the way and hasn't been a major part of any of my escapes
unkempt pagoda
i mean... i'm not a noob and i've used many different cast builds
turbid needle
Trust me, Casts can be good.
versed ibex
I obliterated ||Hades|| with casts
sword is my fastest escape thanks to the cast build
turbid needle
The only cast that I like is Dionysus
Like I appreciate the third sword aspect's whole spellblade shtick but it just doesn't click for me. So much easier to go with an attack/special build on every weapon
How long have you been playing?
Maybe if I upgrade it more it'll be better?
19 hours
I've escaped I think 8 or so times
unkempt pagoda
if that's what you like, then keep going at it ๐
flint dagger
I feel like casts are something that I totally devalued early on, but for me, finding Aphrodite's boon made me love them (or the duo ares/artemis)
turbid needle
It's usually just so awkward to try and make use of. The damage is so low for how long it takes to use, hit the enemy, and retrieve
Take it from someone with about 400 successful escapes, Casts are good.
versed ibex
Did you upgrade it to give you more bloodstones?
unkempt pagoda
the mirror makes good utility out of casts, do you have boiling blood?
versed ibex
yeah, and boiling blood
versed ibex
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
flint dagger
Aphrodite cast does ~100 dmg at base upgrade and applies 1 status effect, oneshotting most things in the first area and easy to spam.
Worst case, I recommend trying to build around casts and seeing if you can break them. That's how I learned my love of em (although I suck at Dionysus')
turbid needle
I mean I'm still gonna try Cast builds
Just probably not until I can fully max out the third Sword aspect, whoever's it is
Forget the name
I'm sure with 50% cast damage or whatever it ends up being, it'll actually be worthwhile
On the subject of that fight, what does Boiling Blood even do?
Your Boiling Blood or Hades'?
flint dagger
jeez the speed on the call bar
turbid needle
When you get hit by it
And you have the green crust around your screen
You take double damage.
Ah, okay. Not very well telegraphed
What's your fastest run, Schpoon
It says "Boiling Blood!" whenever you get logged with one.
14:57:something.
I know that much
It was on 7 Heat with Eris.
unkempt pagoda
hades: nobody can get out, not even myself
haelian: 9:03 minutes wr
maiden hawk
Does charm do anything to Hades in that video? Seems like he just keeps attacking you ๐ค
turbid needle
It shouldn't do anything
The Call just does massive damage
Also probably weakens, which I think there's a boon that makes weakened enemies take more damage?
It does not Weaken.
In fact Charmed enemeis deal more damage.
Oh, right.
Without any other enemies on the field, Hades will just move around for a second or two.
And there is a boon that makes Weak enemies take more damage, Sweet Surrender.
gray oxide
At this point I feel ive been promised an Act 5 that is comprised of a Frogger remake, where zag must make it to the other side evading dangerous chariots, misplaced rakes, poisonous mushrooms, and plot.
And I would love it
turbid needle
At any rate I'll probably keep trying with the Nemesis Aspect until I can max out Poseidon
mild crag
The charm cancels his attack if he's in the middle of one too
Unhealthy fixation is pretty good for that reason
solid cairn
@turbid needle Godspeed to you fellow nemesis user
turbid needle
Gang gang
cosmic dawn
I was doing really well on a barge of death with middle management but then I lost about 70% of my HP on the last wave
:(
solid cairn
Chants โone of usโ
turbid needle
Also, I remember getting pissed at the exploding mini chariots because while I was trying to dash away I got caught on 1 pixel of boundary
stuck bough
I'm lovin poseidon aspect sword
turbid needle
I would like to see a fully upgraded Zagreus aspect on Stygius but have no blud
stuck bough
what build is usually done with the rail?
solid cairn
You need it for skellyโs quest
turbid needle
Exagryph? Go for Artemis
Just get Support Fire or whatever it's called and you win
The one that throws out arrows for eat hit
solid cairn
Hi new to the game
stuck bough
@turbid needle which aspect
solid cairn
Iโm cinder
turbid needle
Also, Daedelus hammers are the strongest boons for Exagryph and Exagryph has the strongest Daedelus boons
I stick with Zagreus in case I can't get infinite ammo
solid cairn
^
mild crag
Hestia son
stuck bough
aight
mild crag
Take it
turbid needle
Hestia seems like a noob trap and Eris could definitely work if upgraded
red lantern
it seems like nemesis aspect for sword is the strongest?
solid cairn
Try to get 1 of each aspect
turbid needle
Nemesis is stronk
solid cairn
See which one you like
Donโt make the mistakes I made
You also complete a quest for getting one of each
So why not
solid cairn
Just try all the weapons and get all aspects for the one you like the most, second most, and so on
novel tapir
Usually the 2 other aspects scale better with upgrades
solid cairn
Spread it thin donโt invest a lot in something that may or may not get nerfed
cough Hestia rail
novel tapir
You think hestia is next on the line before chaos?
solid cairn
So with full zag you still will have 100% block
Chaos isnโt that great shield itself is broken though
turbid needle
Oh, Chaos aspect you mean
novel tapir
Duh
turbid needle
The aspect is even worse than Chaos himself
solid cairn
Chaos god is op
turbid needle
From what I'm seeing, at least.
solid cairn
No reason to not get chaos is Tartarus
turbid needle
Daedelus > Anything
solid cairn
Unless you really donโt want to risk dying early in a streak
novel tapir
Chaos aspect basically carries 32 heat runs
The damage and the aoe is kinda necessary
solid cairn
Zeus aspect bad
novel tapir
Yeah it is fun but pretty bad
turbid needle
"I-It'll get better if I put more blood into it!"
That emote might be too spicy for this disc
novel tapir
You can make it chase you around and put a boon on it which is kinda cool
But other than that it is pretty tame
turbid needle
Anyway back to trying with Nemesis
I escaped with it but only because I got Athena attack boon and made my attacks hit twice
Nothing could hit me
stuck bough
what is Hestia's gimmick?
mild crag
Infinite ammo is the true noob trap
turbid needle
You deal a flat amount of extra damage for your first shot after reloading
mild crag
Yeah
turbid needle
Starts at 50, I assume it ends up somewhere between 200-300
mild crag
And at max rank its 150
turbid needle
Oof
mild crag
Just get aphro and it does 300
turbid needle
Why spend the time to reload when you can just get 30 Support Fire arrows stabbing your enemies
turbid needle
I mean, I'd totally be down for a Hestia run if there was a sniper boon from the hammer
novel tapir
Well 300 damage is around 15 support fire arrows
frozen panther
imagine reloading
this post was made by infinity chamber gang
mild crag
By hestia
frozen panther
mild crag
Imagine requiring more than one shot to kill anything in Tartarus
Sponsored by hestia gang
novel tapir
Can you get the shotgun upgrade with hestia
turbid needle
Why not?
novel tapir
Some upgrades are restricted
frozen panther
thats a bit overkill tho
turbid needle
Would be interesting to see if it procced on every shot
mild crag
Your first shot stays the same
novel tapir
Like you canโt get the piercing special with chiron
turbid needle
It does
I'd say the only weapon I dislike more is the shield just because of how boring it is
tawdry fulcrum
is there any weapon after the gun?
frozen panther
nope
also, yeah shield can get pretty borin
but ive seen some runs on youtube that make it look fun
flint dagger
does anyone ever use shattered shackle?
turbid needle
Wassat do again?
Oh, I see it. I mean, I wouldn't be too terribly upset if I had to use it in Elysium
Elysium's got a ton of great potential to hit enemies with traps
stuck bough
is shield used as a cast build?
turbid needle
Nah
Shield is like Exagryph. Pretty bad as is but if you get a lot of Daedelus hammers, it can be pretty nice
Attack spam build is pretty nice on shield, and a bull rush build wouldn't be too bad since charging up your bull rush makes you block attacks from the front.
As in 100% damage blocked.
How you gonna make me choose like this
This chop is so bad I made a mistake
I thought a 'chop' would be horizontal
cosmic dawn
I thought that was what World splitter was gonna be as well
Kinda like the first attack of the sword's combo but with a larger area
brittle hamlet
The big chop would of been nice when i had it if my dash attack wasnt 90% of what i used during that run
turbid needle
Wish I went with Flurry Slash instead, but oh well
Not like i have support fire yet
Okay nevermind
I just hit 3 446 crits in a row on the hydra
turbid needle
tell myself I just need Athena's Attack boon for this run to be busted
get it
grand smelt
What kinda chops have you been seeing that are horizontal
turbid needle
Oh yeah, it's big brain time
I deal 602 crits and deflect on attack
I can actually fight the mini chariots now
Kind of
For real though, fighting mini chariots with Stygius is awful
None of your Attacks are long enough to kill them outside their explosion radius, so you either have to spam Special or Cast, assuming your Special hasn't been modified to be shorter too
solid cairn
Ikr
turbid needle
@unkempt pagoda ah
a fellow homestuck
unkempt pagoda
actually i just stole the meme from the fanworks channel
cosmic dawn
That's some insane luck
cosmic dawn
I'd personally go with vengeful mood
unkempt pagoda
all are viable, you have 4 casts so lightning rod can be used well
turbid needle
Sea Storm can be good
unkempt pagoda
especially since zeus cast is prone to not sticking to enemies
cosmic dawn
I mean, it seems like his dash is his only knock-away effect
turbid needle
Also I just found a 'cool' bug
cosmic dawn
sea storm doesn't seem like it would offer the same DPS the other two would
carmine raven
my revenge is Are's doom
I feel it's meh tbh
it seems only work with nearby foes
valid bobcat
I just tried using the bow and I was so awful at it I decided to kill myself out of embarrassment.
carmine raven
my cast is 4 due to item
novel tapir
The doom damage on revenge is pretty high though
carmine raven
not chaos
carmine raven
yes, the advantage of doom revenge is AOE for nearby foes
unkempt pagoda
107 every 1.5 secs is really good, consistent privileged is great
turbid needle
Bow can be hard to get used to @valid bobcat
valid bobcat
@turbid needle I already have 20+ hours on shield and a sword so yeah... This was so hard lol
carmine raven
ok, I'll pick vegenful mood for fun, I rarely took it
cosmic dawn
So you only played with shield or sword up to this point?
turbid needle
valid bobcat
I played a few hours with the spear and that went okay
I don't like that it has no knockback
and I keep thinking that it does when i use it
turbid needle
The spear is for dash attacks and throwing
Nothing else
Unless you get the Hammer upgrade that makes your Attacks fast while you hold down M1 and you have Artemis's Support Fire
cosmic dawn
What about spin attacks with Hades aspect?
cosmic dawn
With Hades aspect
turbid needle
I actually haven't gotten to try that because I don't wanna spend the blood on it
cosmic dawn
You'd really give up that +150% damage?
turbid needle
So I can't comment
valid bobcat
yeah I've seen the spin attack being used well so I was trying to play it melee
zinc geode
yeah, that's pretty great
turbid needle
Regular spin attack is poopoo
cosmic dawn
Yes
turbid needle
Hades Aspect I'll have to try for myself
tawdry fulcrum
any tips for someone who's never played a melee weapon in any game 
turbid needle
For which weapon, Kitty?
zinc geode
I dig the debuff for massive bonus damage aspect on the spear a lot, but be aware this debuff only gives you bonus damage with normal attack, not the sweep or the special
valid bobcat
its funny bc i actually never play melee but in this game i find it the most fun
turbid needle
how do you get duo boons?
what order do the rarities go in
Get lots of boons for 2 gods, eventually you'll get the chance for a duo, probably.
nice
I dunno if each god pair has a duo but assuming they do, just get for example, a ton of Artemis and Ares boons
Then, when you get another Artemis or Ares boon, you might get their duo
okay
https://i.imgur.com/hqqdWmc.jpg Looking to protect yourself? Or deal some damage?
zinc geode
@turbid needle remind me what game that quote came from, buddy?
zinc geode
I think it's older than that.
civic barn
duo boons typical depends on one particular action(attack/special/cast/dash/aid) or status effect, if i'm recollecting right; you want the complimentary god's action somewhere in your boons to trigger the possibility of the duo
unkempt pagoda
prerequisites for most duo boons are usually a main boon from both gods, unless it's something specific to the duo boon
i.e. hunting blades requires ares cast specifically
turbid needle
I'm only seeing it in Skyrim @zinc geode
unkempt pagoda
but can have any artemis main boon
civic barn
not all god-pairs have duo boons yet
carmine raven
the chance for Zeus and Athena are higher than other gods
my best record for 1 escape is 4 duos
zinc geode
Yep, guess it was Skyrim. Ha.
I liked that meme better than to overrated "Took an arrow in the kneee".
turbid needle
So if I get a boon that upgrades my attack damage, does that also influence my dash attack?
flint dagger
On a seven win streak atm. Trying to get my time down from 21 mins to under 20. Biggest problem I'm having is forgetting to use my LT super trinkets
unkempt pagoda
@turbid needle yes
turbid needle
Nice
zinc geode
@turbid needle No, dash attack is buffed separately.
turbid needle
have Ares call
don't want to do last Ares room because don't think he'll have anything to offer me before final boss
get this https://i.imgur.com/CZ1e4J6.png
Ah, I figured
zinc geode
I once did a run with no less than three separate buffs that all would "increase my dash damage", but had never received a dash attack base damage boon so they all did nothing. still managed to eek out a win though
unkempt pagoda
???
dash attack is another kind of attack, so any kind of attack damage increase is applied to it
turbid needle
I'll have to test
zinc geode
As far as I can tell, if you don't get a basic dash boon from some god, dash deals no damage.. not for me at any rate.
unkempt pagoda
ooooh
turbid needle
I think Dash Attack refers to the attack you do after a dash
Like how the spear does a big sweep
It's not very clear, honestly.
zinc geode
oops.. I must be super confused then. I thought when the game buffs "dash attacks" it means the boons that give damage and effects upon using dash.. and that's how it works with lighting on dash use.
grand smelt
"Damage on your dash" and "dash attack" are two different things
turbid needle
Well, Artemis's Dash upgrade is an upgrade to your dash attack damage
grand smelt
Dash attacking is most obvious with the sword since it does a quick thrust
turbid needle
So that can't upgrade dash boon damage since it takes up that slot
zinc geode
tht needs better messaging then. I have thirty + hours and now 7 wins one with heat and had no clue.
turbid needle
Also I think I just had my quickest final boss fight
turbid needle
Doing 300-400 crits almost every attack is fun
And vicious cycle got up to like 70 damage per tic, was hilarious
zinc geode
I played over 25 hours before I even learned that WAS a dash attack feature.. and a learned it in forums.
turbid needle
I dunno when I realized but the spear dash attack is pretty blatant
Massive sweep in front of you, amazing if you have the Athena attack boon
EZ deflects
unkempt pagoda
can't remember what the tooltip says specifically but there's a tooltip every time the term dash attack comes up
carmine raven
it's quite useful to use Artemis dash attack boon with Hestia Aspect
that duo boosts damage output a lot
my best record is 108 for viciuos cycle
turbid needle
want to do Spear throwing build
first two boons give me 182% special damage
zinc geode
@midnight wren the tooltip doesn't explain enough at all. Also, the similar naming conventions between boons like Nasty Dash, Tidal Dash, Passion Dash, and Blade Dash (and I'm sure many others) all create an effect upon using Dash, no attack required, yet Artemis' Hunter Dash, apparently a Chaos boon I got
(Lunge?) that increased Dash Attack Damage those two and maybe one or two more specifically do not actually add an effect onto Dashing, only Dash _ attack. I legitimately thought "Dash Attack"s were the boons that granted effects from all the Olympian gods, like the first group.
from double checking the wiki, Artemis Hunter Dash is the outlier. Almost all the other (Hermes doesn't do damage with any of his boons, he just speeds attacks, casts, or movements number of dashes, etc.) Gods boons give an effect upon Dashing that led me to believe that is what Dash Attacks were.
turbid needle
https://i.imgur.com/U77vlLH.png Kalista build is fun
Would've been at least a minute faster if I was trying from the start to go for a PB
zinc geode
Awesome, congrats. I can't get faster than about 45 minutes, but I think it's just my playstyle.
turbid needle
Really? That's one heck of a playstyle
Is there like, a certain Heat level that people compare clear times for?
zinc geode
I am an old school tactics and RPG player, I like to take my time and think about my situation constantly, not rush through anything. I play all my games this way. I'm a smell the roses kind of guy.
turbid needle
Ah.
zinc geode
I'll stand around and just appreciate the scenery. Like that one guy who is your fan at the arena after the boss fight with Theseus, and the banner hung over Aterius face with your face on it.
turbid needle
Don't think I've ever seen either of those
zinc geode
Hold on
stuck bough
what's a good build for the spear? I currently have the hades aspect
stuck bough
which god's boons should I go for?
turbid needle
There's 2 Daedelus hammers that are pretty key to the build, the most important one gets rid of the return but makes it a 60 damage exploding spear
THe other one isn't necessary but nice, gives your spear throw 300% damage to armor
stuck bough
ah
turbid needle
Aside from that, flat damage increase to your spear is good. Poseidon and Athena for that
thin hull
I like bouncy spear when I get good special boons
turbid needle
Oh, forgot about that
Also a good one
Either that or go for the hammer that makes your attacks faster if you hold down M1 and get Support Fire from Artemis, plus anything that increases attack damage
frosty pier
I personally love to go for the Spins
turbid needle
That can work with Hades aspect
zinc geode
@turbid needle here you go, look on this screen:
Oh for.. apparently I can't pos tthem here
turbid needle
Gotta post a link yeah
frosty pier
Hades Aspect makes that you really can go either attack or special without an Aspect feeling useless
zinc oasis
Hi
I'm a new player of Hades (around 15 hours).
I'm playing in hell mode and I was wondering : does anyone as cleared the game (in hell mode) with any contact weapon?
frosty pier
Yes? It's just 5 heat.
zinc oasis
And for all the player, have you needed a lot of hell's amรฉlioration (like gold when you get obsidian, life when u get gems etc)
As a beginner the 2500 obsidian limitation really pain me
turbid needle
Try another debuff then
turbid needle
Why not?
zinc oasis
There is 5 debuff you need to have
Idk why, I've tried to increase other debuff and remove the obsidian limit but I can't
frosty pier
I mean, it was your decision to go hell straight away.
YOu cant remove it in hell mode.
zinc oasis
Yes it is, I'm not complaining about that, I'm just searching some indication on how to do the game
turbid needle
What weapon do you like the most?
zinc oasis
Aegis and Bow
I loose to Hades with the bow (just a matter of time, it was really close and I choked) but I'm doing a lot of bad runs with aegis
turbid needle
Those are the two weakest weapons imo, I'm not sure what builds are best with them
zinc geode
I'd say turn off hell mode and play how you want, and when you feel you are an expert turn it back on.
turbid needle
^
zinc geode
It's not like anyone needs bragging rights.
stuck bough
Hera aspect bow, try to get a lot of casts, tipsy shot
zinc geode
I proudly play in God mode, because I am a scrub and I am only just now 30+ hours later and many many runs in, beating the final boss regularly, and all my runs go 45 minutes +. I got old, guys.. my reflexes are gone.
turbid needle
frosty pier
Well, Have you tried to block with a shield?
zinc geode
Hey, At least I am still alive, and it was pretty close a few times now.
turbid needle
Only losers block
zinc geode
I block and won!
turbid needle
LOSER
zinc geode
at least once, since I have now beaten big bad with all weapons once each, heh.
zinc oasis
I think bow is pretty strong with the special, I can do long range attack
With poison or revenge it garants killing a lot of monsters easily
I try to dodge more than blocking
Dodge and charge
zinc geode
I like poison on special, so I can dash in, and stack up tons of poison on a dude with one shot of special in his back, then dash away to safety.
with the bow I mean.
frosty pier
Well blocks work miracles on bosses.
zinc geode
@frosty pier Agreed, but. .what is your avatar doing? there? is it... lewd?
turbid needle
She's just really happy that she got the ace :^)
zinc geode
Riiiight
frosty pier
My avatar is a twitch emote. That you see, is all that is.
zinc geode
She just had a taste of something she really liked! Really!
frosty pier
I make similar face then I finally treat myself to some icecream
zinc oasis
Using the shield with Doom on special is a bad idea? ๐ค
frosty pier
Revenge? you mean Doom?
zinc oasis
I think so? French here and game in French so..
gray plover
There are a few different revenge effects
zinc oasis
The "red God of War" buff
turbid needle
That's Doom
zinc oasis
OK
turbid needle
Ares's special effect is Doom, the little knife above their heads that deals big damage after a delay
frosty pier
Yeah doom on special pretty valid choice
zinc oasis
Yes that's it! So doom
zinc oasis
Revenge is the effect that trigger when you get touched?
turbid needle
Correct
zinc oasis
OK so yes I'm not playing with this
gray plover
Athena's will block the next hit within a small window so its probably the best out of them
gray plover
Zeus revenge + jolt might not be bad if you went that way? But not something worth relying on
frosty pier
Good to be you then xD
turbid needle
If you like Aegis, try and get Athena's Attack boon and the Daedelus Hammer that makes your attacks hit twice
You're basically invincible then
zinc oasis
(also, is there a wiki to know how much cost each buff in the mirror? Idk if it's usefull to unlock the last bonuses (increase % of chance))
Oh OK I will try this @turbid needle
frosty pier
The % options are 50/100 darkness each
turbid needle
Yeah
zinc oasis
Double each time? Or limited to 1%?
turbid needle
1% each time
frosty pier
It's 1% for 50/100 each time
gray plover
Rare caps at 50
zinc oasis
Double in price *
gray plover
Think epic caps at 25
I can't remember. I'm at the point where I can't afford rerolls so I never look in the mirror
zinc oasis
Rerolls cost money? ๐ค
gray plover
Next stop, 3k
In the mirror you can get rerolls to start with
You reroll door rewards
zinc oasis
In hell mode you can reroll freely but you are limited to 2.5k obsidian
gray plover
Ahh. Haven't tried hell mode
turbid needle
He means something differently Kahssis
zinc oasis
Oh
gray plover
Basically the last option in the mirror
wise flax
Sort of new player, anyone know how or who you can use ambrosia on? (haven't found a use for it other than trading yet)
zinc oasis
AAAAHHH I see
gray plover
Putting points into that gives you 1 reroll. Which means you can roll to a different reward
turbid needle
It sucks
gray plover
Nahhhh
frosty pier
Ambrosia is for Hi-end frienships
gray plover
You can get keys to reroll more so it's okay
wise flax
Like, the hearts with the clock lookin thing in it?
frosty pier
Keep it, you will need like 52 or something of them
turbid needle
I've been trading all of my ambrosia
frosty pier
Clock means it will be added in later updates, you need to look for hearts with locks
wise flax
Ohhhh, okay, thank you!
zinc oasis
and so the increase by 1% cost 100 (or 50) at each level of the buff?
frosty pier
Yeah.
turbid needle
You're not limited to 2500 normally
zinc oasis
Yes, it's a debuff in the hell mode, but it add some spice
OK thx !
Knowing that is pretty usefull, idk if it's OK or no to spend key on these bonuses
turbid needle
You may as well
You unlock them once and then you can use your keys on anything else
zinc oasis
Actually I prefer focusing on permanent bonuses (gold with obsidian etc)
And I need my key to get ambrosia and then diamond
turbid needle
I'd unlock the mirror fully first but your call
zinc oasis
I think I'm finally to do it, the 2 "increase by 1%" bonuses seems to be the best and can be afford easily
turbid needle
I'd say get the health and death defiance ones before any others
Those are pretty important
zinc oasis
Already got them to max!
But I think I will exchange the last death defiance (1000) for 10% epic bonus chance
turbid needle
zinc oasis
? ๐ค
zinc oasis
Oh, I can't listen it actually, I will try it later
turbid needle
RIP
spare iron
Hey guys, just wondered... Like any roguelike or sth like that, I think Hades should take advantage of an endless mode for sure. I don't know if it has been discussed, probably it did, and I can search for it I know. I just want to share mine at the time. What about a run where you get different biome each time you change your room, maybe hybrid biome variations as well. then there would be 2 bosses at the same time for super rooms or sth. as you progress, you get stronger, true. but when your stage is done, i mean the boss of the stage is dead, then you get a curse or sth; so your gains would be compensated. i don't know, just thought of that. thanks for providing a platform to share and discuss our thoughts โค๏ธ
limpid tapir
Extreme Theseus has miniguns.
Miniguns.
And yeah, it's already suggested. People want an endless mode ๐
teal laurel
damn i need to finish the game with shield
im better with spear than shield
even though im ass at it
meager mica
limpid tapir
Chaos shield is pretty good.
Grab Zeus keepsake and look for Special Zeus boon
The flat 30 damage is actually ridiculous when you're throwing 5 shields at max rank. Chaos shield desperately needs flat damage increases, since 30 Zeus lightning damage onto a 15 base damage attack is 200% increase
Meanwhile a lot of other god boons (that aren't Ares) add on 50% to 100% in general, so it's a difference of 30 or 45 damage due to your choice of boons on your shield throw. So you Bull Rush, shield throw, repeat.
neon ridge
Ares > Zeus
frosty pier
Does it really need flat damage? I mean if you running Chaos aspect, you already drift towards using Zeus/Ares/Dio I think it's enough options to build a decent run. If you want to run flat damage you can take Zeus's aspect wich can work with both flat dmg and statuses at the cost of braindead playstyle.
limpid tapir
In terms of raw numbers, Zeus or Ares are the highest increases. Though Dio could work too, just not sure how the numbers work out there.
And I barely use Zeus shield myself after a few runs, don't know how to properly exploit it.
frosty pier
Main thing that draws people away in my opinion is that Zeus's takes it's sweet time. If you running 7 minutes per area that is not an option. I'd even say that Zeus's is an Aspect that is more... for the lack of the better word :" Cheesy ".
final fox
