h1-builds-and-combat

[woeful sage]

As far as I'm aware, once you unequip the keepsakes you lose any bonuses they gave you and replace them with the new keepsake.

[gloomy scroll]

I just meant is it toggleable

[abstract pilot]

i think you can turn it off after turning it on

[storm canyon]

thanks @woeful sage. Then I wonder does giantgames want us to carry one broach throughout the game? then why is there an option to switch them every floor i wonder.. 🤔 \

[eternal stag]

it depends on what keepsake you use

some of them you'll want to switch up, some of them like the butterfly not

[lean sluice]

the only ones that you really "lose" anything by taking off are the ones that stack over time, the butterfly and the feather

otherwise you just swap between floors depending on what you need going forward

[storm canyon]

I thought i was being smart collecting damage early then switching it to something else lol 😛

[terse nimbus]

But also, once you switch it up out, you can't put it back on during that run. I believe

[lean sluice]

primary use is to swap between floors to guarantee certain gods to craft your build

like if you really want to go hunting blades you start with ares trinket and on asphodel you swap to artemis trinket

and once your build is complete you can swap to something that just gives raw stats for the final area

like the collar or the acorn

[storm canyon]

@lean sluice that makes sense. A way to circumvent rng

[lean sluice]

also makes things that give one time bonuses more useful

like hypnos's keepsake which just gives you a handful of cash

[storm canyon]

Would it still give 100 gold if I use it on floor 2 and take it off at 3?

[lean sluice]

pop it on on an easy floor, get the money, swap to something more useful next floor

it doesn't take your gold away when you take it off no

[turbid needle]

Should give 200 Obols at level 3.

[terse nimbus]

Also, is there something specific you need to do to get the Chaos boon Defiance?

[lean sluice]

I don't think so

[gray plover]

cross your fingers

[lean sluice]

?

yeah chaos boons are just luck

unless you buy a guaranteed chaos room from the mini shops

[storm canyon]

thanks for info guys. back to the grind

[lean sluice]

honestly though, controversial opinion

I think with the keepsakes its actually a bit too easy to guarantee specific high power builds

although i'm not sure if thats a problem with being able to guarantee rng or a problem with certain synergies being way too powerful and easy to assemble

[turbid needle]

not fond of the god keepsakes yh

[lean sluice]

the prime example being the hera bow

you just take dionysus or poseidon's keepsakes to make sure you get their casts, and that alone will carry you to elysium at least

[turbid needle]

they'd probably be fine if duo boons weren't this powerful but i'd rather have the duos than the keepsakes tbqh

[terse nimbus]

@lean sluice Yeah. Thanks. I've just got literally every other Prophesy finished except that one. I keep running with the Chaos keepsake because I want to finish it. lol. I thought maybe I just wasn't doing a thing to make it pop up

[lean sluice]

i'm fine with the duo boons being strong given that they take a non-zero amount of effort to assemble

certain weapons just synergize way too powerfully with certain boons

[eternal stag]

i mean the good thing about god keepsakes being too strong for you is that there are other good options

you don't have to use them

[turbid needle]

oh yeah no i know and that's what i do

[gray plover]

I like stuff being strong. It's what makes it fun. If things were weaker to fit some specific criteria it would be a bit dull even if it's numerically ideal

[final fox]

I think you need to have at least one other chaos boon to get the defiance boon

[lean sluice]

i like stuff being strong and I like being able to tilt the rng into giving me something I feel like trying

its just those two things together that feel like a problem

[final fox]

so just keep the egg on and buying lights of ixon

[turbid needle]

i like having strong synergies and options within a run but guaranteeing the synergies you want to minmax your weapon's power is eeeeehh imo

[lean sluice]

yeah having too much control homogenizes your runs

because you can just do the strong thing every time

and why would you ever not do the thing you know is strong

and is easy to put together

[terse nimbus]

@final fox Ah. Okay. Still though, the rng is driving me mad right now.

But thanks

[gray plover]

I'm still on lower heat atm... so I don't feel forced to run anything specific

[turbid needle]

same

which is why i'm mostly running around with an egg in my pocket

[gray plover]

yeah I take egg for my first round

[storm canyon]

Didnt take long to come up with another question: When it says your boons have +X% to be Rare or better does that just mean +X% to be Rare or does it just give it +X% quality?

[turbid needle]

chance to be rare

[storm canyon]

as in for rare and onwards

[final fox]

i've heard that it replaces x% of common boons with rare boons

[turbid needle]

yeah that

[lean sluice]

yeah from what I can tell about the system the quality rolls are seperate

[storm canyon]

ah so it doesnt affect quality past rare

?

[lean sluice]

common boons have x% to be rare, rares have x% to become epic, etc

[turbid needle]

@gray plover i think egg is more useful on aspho and elysium, you can get the health back easily in tartarus through the passive regen

[gray plover]

better quality stuff though

[turbid needle]

sure but the mirror also does that

[storm canyon]

🤔 seems on the fence about this one

[gray plover]

why not both?

[turbid needle]

and you basically always have acces to a rare chaos boon anyway

because then you can get hypnos' lunch money in tartarus

[gray plover]

true true, I read that when I was scrolling through here and wondered why I never tried that lol

money's always nice

[lavish spear]

Has anyone been having success with the Hermes keepsake? I really like the idea but I can never get much value from it.

[turbid needle]

i've heard it's good but i don't know how to make it work

especially with heat

[abstract pilot]

it doesn't really help you get stronger, it's kinda like a win more keepsake

[lavish spear]

I can usually get a couple percentage points in Tartarus and early Asphodel but then that's all, after that the waves start getting long and all the bomber enemies start running away from you :p

[gloomy scroll]

so why did no one tell me that hunting blades is op af and also flurry cast makes it terrifying

[quaint plume]

Quick question: Enemies with shields have uninterruptable attacks. But some enemies seem to have uninterruptable attacks even without shields. Is that correct?

[unkempt pagoda]

flurry cast + greater recall + hunting blades

[radiant plume]

is the damage from urge to kill (ares) a percent of your base damage like all other skills or is it a percent of total damage

[atomic panther]

Base damage

[radiant plume]

that seems bad

[atomic panther]

The only thing that's based on total damage is crits

[gloomy scroll]

ok no I need this to be heard I just did 2/3 of phase 2's hp by sending out my 4 hunting blades and using greater ares call

this is ridiculous

[turbid needle]

Yeah, Blade Rifts are primo DPS.

[gloomy scroll]

and like I had lightning rod sooooo

[crimson geyser]

can multiple 15% chaance for foes to drop health items for X chambers somehow stack or do they overwrite the previous one?

[turbid needle]

They either stack chance to drop or extend duration.

[crimson geyser]

nice

[dusky hull]

When you strike an enemy with your attack/special empowered by Zeus' boon that strikes nearby enemies, is the target got struck itself?

[autumn bough]

How does the chaos shield special work? Is one of them the “real” one for purposes of using your attack again? And does it shotgun does you are close to?

[turbid needle]

Yes.

Sometimes the game will be kind and even at range it will throw them all in a very tight grouping directly at a single enemy.

[pastel jolt]

typical. picked up poseidon's aspect to try it out, and i'm using the special itself more than i am the cast....

[final fox]

I think you can use your attack again after any single shield returns to you

[pastel jolt]

now here's an interesting decision to try and make

[turbid needle]

Burst or True are valid.

I like True because it's a little more mindless.

[pastel jolt]

if i swap my cast boon, i'll get +38 damage but lose the knockback (which might not be a bad thing - i'm running a very special-heavy build right now)

support fire is only an extra 23 damage by comparison

[atomic panther]

Go Burst Shot, then take Blood-Filled Vial and get Slicing Shot, then get Hunting Blades

This run's already in the bag

[pastel jolt]

and if i'm not mistaken, burst shot's secondary shot would be about 37 damage or so

i'm not taking slicing shot, i have poseidon aspect

[atomic panther]

+50% cast damage is GREAT for rifts

[pastel jolt]

true 🤔

[atomic panther]

(I was joking, also)

[pastel jolt]

but then again there's no guarantee ares will let me swap my cast

ah

does anyone know how burst shot actually fires off the secondary shot?

if it just follows it up with a second blast, i probably shouldn't take it with a poseidon cast because i'll have knocked them out of range anyways

[atomic panther]

It does exactly that

[turbid needle]

It fires a second Bloodstone projectile.

Doesn't drop a Bloodstone, but the first blast will hit, and then the second will continue traveling until it too hits something.,

[atomic panther]

But I do think it's still the best thing to take here, since it's a VERY good boon for any cast-related build, and sets you up for the Artemis legendary

[pastel jolt]

i think i'll take the swap and then see if the rng will let me sell off the rupture boon i have between tartarus and asphodel

oh

eh, whatever, let's go burst shot then and see where it takes me

it's worth pointing out this is a trial room and poseidon is the other god

[atomic panther]

Oh. Yeah in that case you made a mistake picking your first god

Poseidon SUCKS to fight

[pastel jolt]

he really doesn't lmao

i'm conflicted again

i HATE making choices dfghjkjd

[atomic panther]

OH MY GOSH

[pastel jolt]

about the only thing i'm solid on here is not taking the attack

[atomic panther]

+171% is a lot

Like,

[pastel jolt]

cheeses off poseidon in a trial
he offers a swap and two epic-rarity boons

[atomic panther]

WOW

[ashen solar]

Jesus, poison+dash deflect+expose on deflect is completely bonkers

[last furnace]

Our hitbox is so big against Hades attacks

(Hi)

[pastel jolt]

yeah but i'm running artemis on special so i have a decent crit chance

[open geode]

i was just kinda dissapointed that the super powered shot from the rail didn't interact with the "fire multiple short ranged bolts"- daedalus hammer when i tried it

just imagine the damage that'd do lmao

[pastel jolt]

if i switch out my special i think i stop being elegible for her legendary

no, wait, no i don't, i think,,

hm

......well, that was a strange bug

i took an exit with a pom on it, got a thanatos encounter, and when i won i got coins and a centaur heart instead of the pom

[candid merlin]

the centaur heart is than's reward for beating him or a tie

[pastel jolt]

no i know that

you get the centaur heart in addition to the original reward

i should have gotten a pom, not coins

[turbid needle]

Strange.

[pastel jolt]

about to face the big bad boss wish me luck y'all ✌️

[gloomy scroll]

go get him

[pastel jolt]

he got me instead

[solid cairn]

How good is Zeus aspect

For shield

There’s no preview to see what the attack is

And I think that should be a thing

There’s not even a picture of what it looks like on the wiki either

[lean sluice]

you'll get plenty of titan bloods, don't worry about spending a few just to check something out

[solid cairn]

I’ve exhausted most of the Titan bloods pre-first win

I can trade in ambrosia but Idk what that does

Already traded in 2

Don’t want to do the same with them all

Wait, is ambrosia the thing you give to Sisyphus and stuff after you complete their quests?

[cosmic dawn]

So does the Fated Authority upgrade from the mirror max out at 3, like death defiances?

[pastel jolt]

no

[cosmic dawn]

What's the max then?

[pastel jolt]

10

[cosmic dawn]

:|

[pastel jolt]

requiring 165,000 darkness total, assuming they haven't messed with the costs since i last checked

[cosmic dawn]

🅱️ruh

guess It'll be a while before I can completely ignore darkness

lmao

[solid cairn]

Also don’t tell me but I think I know how to complete sisyphus’ quest

Either way I’m gonna give nectar to Bouldy

[neon bough]

ok just got hunting blades for the first time and completed a run with it

that was... easy

$

didn't lose a single DD

[cosmic dawn]

The most satisfying runs are the ones where you don't lose a single DD

[granite vine]

does losing and then restoring count?

[solid cairn]

Then you just tank damage on hades

[cosmic dawn]

On my first run I was adamant about beating the game without putting any darkness into the death defiances on the mirror

I eventually did, and let me tell you the game gets much easier when you don't have to beat the final boss with only 1 life

[solid cairn]

My theory for his quest is that if you give Bouldy enough nectar he’ll do something and then quest will be complete

Again don’t tell me the answer

[granite vine]

you can interact with Bouldy? :0

[pastel jolt]

what cast would you recommend for trying out hera aspect?

[solid cairn]

Is that the 1 shot rail one

[cosmic dawn]

Dionysus all the way for Hera aspect

It basically makes your cast into an explosive arrow

[pastel jolt]

it's the one where you load casts into your next shot

[solid cairn]

I love dio in this game

Him with double attack hammer on shield

So many procs

[granite vine]

I haven't appreciated him all that much, what am I missing

[cosmic dawn]

the poison attack upgrade plus the rail upgrade that makes it so you don't have to reload equals huge amounts of poison DPS

[candid merlin]

more foes means more money right?

[zealous lodge]

I just think the voiceactor's delivery on all of Dio's lines is absolutely perfect. He always sounds like some silver tongued socialite trying to chat you up at a party.

[cosmic dawn]

Don't even get me started on if you add support fire onto the build

[granite vine]

all the voices are amazing to me

[cosmic dawn]

^

There isn't a single badly voiced character in this game

[granite vine]

I heard my friend enter the Meg chamber and that dialogue immediately made me get the game

[solid cairn]

Oh you don’t even need infinite ammo with poison rail if you have zag aspect

[pastel jolt]

hm! aphrodite cast on hera aspect is quite nice

[open geode]

oh i hadn't actually considered upgraded casts on the hera aspect

there's only a few i really like

hestia aspect hexafryph for one is super fun imo

[zealous lodge]

oh yeah upgrades casts on the hera aspect make it crazy good.

[open geode]

i upgraded zagreus aspect spear to max and i regret it deeply

[pastel jolt]

good sweet lord

i just obliterated two hydra heads at once

[open geode]

the long range makes the targetting really wonky

[zealous lodge]

I got Aphrodite cast with Artemis bonus stones and secondary fire one run and it was basically one-shoting each phase of the bosses.

[open geode]

like u try to hit something close and it looks for an enemy on the other side of the room

[pastel jolt]

i have twin shot bow with 200-damage aphrodite cast

[zealous lodge]

Exactly, Hera is a crazy good glass cannon weapon

[pastel jolt]

and i can unload three of those casts at once into the enemy i hit and whoever is standing behind it

[open geode]

man if only the empowered shot from hestia aspect interacted with the daedalus hammer shotgun upgrade

that'd be sick

incredibly op

but sick nonetheless

[zealous lodge]

i think it interacts with the twin shot upgrade, i haven't used the spread shot upgrade on it yet.

[open geode]

another fun option is the... i forget the god but the bow thing that if you shoot em your special homes in on them

if you use the special shoots more shots, and faster special shots from hermes

and upgrade that a few times too

[candid merlin]

Time to pick Hermes boon
Eh I guess I'll go with +20% movement speed
Can't really feel the difference
Next run : "Why the hell am I so slow"

[open geode]

the speed upgrade at like epic level feels detrimental sometimes lol

like i run into things

[solid cairn]

I love Hermes because of the attack speed

[pastel jolt]

B)

[zealous lodge]

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[river matrix]

Completed a run for the first time. Used Zeus Aspect Aegis (Unlocked and ranked up once), the owl charm to get Athena Attack and Dash, got fast-charge/no knockback and charged shot as weapon upgrades. Played very conservatively with blocking and deflecting. I've got two Titan blood going into Pacts of Punishment, I spent the rest widely before I knew it was rare. What's a strong aspect to go in deep on?

[zealous lodge]

i personally really love the Poseidon and Hera aspects, but I just generally enjoy cast builds overall.

[teal wren]

I did Chaos, Chiron and Eris first

No regrets whatsoever

I don't enjoy casting so much cause I lose my blood crystals often lol :p

Especially in Asphodel

[zealous lodge]

yeah casting requires some careful stone management.

at least until you get Hermes auto-recall

however i think that can only show up in Styx

so that's really only a late-game bonus on top of whatever else you already had rocking.

[teal wren]

Blade rift is super fun tho

[grand smelt]

Not if you have Artemis Cast and Poseidon Sword... or Hunting Blades

[teal wren]

Uh... I don't get your meaning, it's not fun if you have other stuff?

[candid merlin]

Ah, just rage quitted for the first time

Good times

Man I messed up so bad -_- I literally activate the traps in the final rooms only to dash into them and kill myself

Twice

Because of the trap pact D:

[mild crag]

Tragic

Yesterday ruined a run by catching a crossbow trap bolt in elysium

I feel your trap related pain

[gray plover]

and then hypnos mocks you for it

(unintentionally, but still)

[mild crag]

Just move out of the way rite

[final fox]

What's a strong aspect to go in deep on?
The aspects I like the most are Poseidon, Achilles, Chaos, Chiron, and Hestia.
poseidon sword goes great with artemis cast buffs, I generally take Adamant Arrowhead with it and try to pick up true shot ASAP
Achilles spear gives you a ton of mobility and damage, after you upgrade the damage boost try to get a spin attack off after your dash for mega damage. you can dash out of the spin charge and the spin AoE will move with you.
Chaos shield likes flat damage boosts on the special, throwing 5 zeus-lightning or ares doom shields around is great AoE and room clear
Chiron bow makes your special into a big single target damage attack, the arrows don't apply zeus lightning separately but do apply dio poison separately.
hestia rail needs you to rebind reload to something accessible if you're using a gamepad, i like LB. But you can throw out 150 base damage shots and get crazy high burst damage with the right boons. Last run with it I had artemis's dash attack boost, aphrodite regular attack boost, and a chaos +dash attack boon, and was throwing out 600 damage dash attack hestia shots. Crazy good.

[mild crag]

@final fox you get a heart for saying hestia

[teal wren]

Wait do chaos shield procs 5 lightnings with zeus' boons?

[final fox]

It'll proc on 5 different enemies, and I've had it proc multiple times on the same enemy from shields that hit at different times

[brazen jacinth]

would you rate poseidon over the crit aspect ?

if specific build is not the goal

[final fox]

Poseidon aspect needs needs needs a cast that sticks in the target

you do need to do specific things with it

and preferably it's not zeus's bouncy cast because that can be annoying to track down

[gray plover]

zeus has a bouncy cast-le? Cant' wait to get to Olympus now ;-;

[final fox]

so nemesis is probably better if you don't want to go full artemis waifu

[granite vine]

but Artemis is good waifu QuQ

[candid merlin]

Acting like Chaos isn't the hottest character in the game huh

[solid cairn]

^

[inland tartan]

Ugh, I wish the Orpheus renovation wasn't so rare

[teal wren]

I wish the songs didnt cost an arm and a leg in diamonds >.>

[inland tartan]

30 runs in and I haven't seen it since prior to my first time beating the hydra

[mild crag]

lookin for some wisdom on extreme measures heroes fight

is it safer to stand on the outside of the arena?

can't seem to dodge thesus's chain guns in the centre

since there's no tell and he shoots everywhere

[median ridge]

ive noticed that theseus drops a lot of bombs on the edges of the ring

[mild crag]

yeah which is why im not sure about the edge

thesus doesn't seem to hit you in the centre unless he barrels through it shooting

all his other attacks focus on the outside of the ring

maybe i just need more practice

lost all three of my DDs and died there lul

[brazen citrus]

question: am i supposed to be able to buy the drape colour i already have equipped?

one of my slots is taken up by it and im unsure if its a bug

[solid cairn]

ok theseus and minotaur are almost as hard as hades

also, what are good gods for shield

[slow smelt]

depends what aspect you run

with zeus aspect, i like it with dionisyus or zeus boons

in special

and something strong for attack, like athena, aphrodite or even ares

i tried a lot to make shield work with double attack, but it's worse than sword

so bull rush builds seems better, at least for me

[grand pumice]

Any chance this game will ever support a control scheme similar to Diablo?

[radiant scarab]

where can I report minor glitches and stuff? Alecto turned into Meg for a bit (visually only and no, the desperate measures thing was not on)

[grand pumice]

i.e. point and click to move

[radiant scarab]

I feel like that control scheme would be suicidal in this game XD

[solid cairn]

ok I'm getting the hang of hades

[blazing mulch]

The game Is mainly designed to be played on gamepad

[solid cairn]

I prefer chaos aspect @slow smelt

[radiant scarab]

naaah Keyboard and Mouse is superb

[blazing mulch]

I agree 👍

Left to attack, right to cast, space to dash

[slow smelt]

I didn't played much with chaos yet, but Ares in special seems ok?

[radiant scarab]

the only control issue I have with is the Special on the sword

[solid cairn]

chaos aspect explosive return

oh my god

[radiant scarab]

the Q doesn't follow the mouse for some reason

[blazing mulch]

It doesn't

[slow smelt]

idk, shield is kinda hard to crack

[blazing mulch]

It's in place attack

[solid cairn]

ok I traded my last 2 ambrosia for blood

so I can beat the game easier

[radiant scarab]

but the AoE follows the sword not the character so there's a noticeable difference

it really should follow the cursor imho

[zealous lodge]

I am really not liking the Titan Blood upgrade system. I would rather pay MORE titan blood (or even better just make Titan blood rarer and keep the titan blood costs low) to just unlock a fully upgraded (and hopefully balanced) weapon aspect rather than unlock a mostly underpowered aspect for cheap that I then have to spend a bunch more titan blood on to get it up to speed. It makes the aspects feel underpowered when you unlock them and makes titan blood feel really cheap. I think you need something like 100 titan blood to unlock and upgrade all the aspects which feels a bit excessive. The "upgrading" of the weapon aspects really doesn't feel good.

[mild crag]

I'm starting to think No Choice intentionally gets rid of the ones you pick the most frequently

happens too often

[karmic coyote]

no choice always picks the best one, it denied me 2 epic "your special inflict doom" in a row once

[mild crag]

Gave some feedback on it, it's salt and I am prepared for the 👎 but lol

[karmic coyote]

decrease chance is suitable

[zealous lodge]

I think it'd be better it they just didn't show you what you were missing, then you wouldn't feel the salt.

then again, that's not what the feedback section is for.

[grand smelt]

As an avid Slay the Spire player I'm opposed to the idea of No Choice in the first place; the game has to be balanced around a certain number of choices and changing that is dangerous. Prayer Wheel and Question Card are very welcome sights in StS, while Busted Crown is considered basically a draft-ender to only be taken if you're okay with never picking another card.

[potent lichen]

on the map when you ascend, i see sometimes the bow and arrow (that im using) and a diamond or blood next to it on the map, what does it mean?

[mild crag]

That's the area reward that you got

[final fox]

that means you've already gotten that reward with that weapon

[potent lichen]

Oh ok i thought it was the other way, like im missing it because it shows the default form and i was using the aspect version 1.

Thanks guys

[teal wren]

so... opinions between hera, achilles and poseidon aspect for casting

achilles ought to be great for blade vortex but not a lot else I suppose

erm, blade rift

[lean sluice]

hera aspect snaps the game in half

its ridiculous

[atomic panther]

Poseidon Aspect is amazing for anything

[lean sluice]

poseidon is strong but I have yet to do anything "busted" with it

[atomic panther]

I think a free +50% cast damage is crazy

[lean sluice]

true

I have yet to fully upgrade it

even then i'm not sure it's as strong as hera can be

[teal wren]

exit wounds is the only artemis boon I need for the minor prophecy

and that's the case for like 10 runs already

[final fox]

fully upgraded Poseidon aspect with Artemis cast boons is insane
just crazy good

[lean sluice]

all hera needs is tipsy shot and you've already won the run

[final fox]

spam true shot for 3x250 damage then press Y to immediately do it again

[teal wren]

so I suppose poseidon if you're maxing, hera if you're not?

[lean sluice]

somewhat

they're both very strong, poseidon scales better with levels

but which one is "better" depends on which cast you get

[teal wren]

idk what's up but every so often it seems like my hera aspect bow skip casts

[solid cairn]

Would y’all consider chaos aspect for shield to be good

I prefer it over Zeus

[teal wren]

like I charge 3 blood crystals on it but only one instance of damage is dealt

I like chaos shield

[lean sluice]

its probably the best shield aspect

zeus is awkward to use

and default is just a damage reduction

[teal wren]

damage reduction is cool if you can stack it up

[solid cairn]

Chaos with ares special is actually nice for room clearing

The doom on special

[teal wren]

I like chaos with dio special

[solid cairn]

Oh Ares and Dio my favorite gods in the game

Well I gotta go to bed

[lean sluice]

i'm actually on a chaos with dio special run right now

[lean sluice]

aaaaaaaaaaand done

[whole burrow]

Doing a Chiron Bow run in Hades. Do certain Daedalus Upgrades not pop up with certain variants of weapons? I haven't gotten a single upgrade that affects the Special.

3 runs in a row

[lean sluice]

the bow only has 2 upgrades that effect special

neither of which are effected by what aspect you're using

you've just been unlucky

[whole burrow]

Whelp

Didn't get the +2 nor the piercing in 3 runs with 2 upgrades each... Wow....

And here I was thinking I wouldn't ever use this bad boy

[median ridge]

piercing will not show up for chiron

[lean sluice]

oh will it not?

news to me

[median ridge]

so i’ve heard. it would basically create an infinitely hitting special if it worked for chiron

[turbid needle]

I think you could fix that by having the arrows despawn upon contact with the marked target.

[lean sluice]

yeah, if they fix that it'd be fine as just +100% armor damage

a little underwhelming but thats no great tragedy

[turbid needle]

It would give Chiron much better crowd control, which is huge.

The bow's weakest point is in taking on crowds.

With Piercing Barrage you can actually deal with them to an extent.

[lean sluice]

thats a weakness of the bow in general really

default bow special is Not Good

[whole burrow]

Can Arrow Special w/ Zeus Upgrade hit the same target more than once?

If not, can it proc to multiple targets?

[lean sluice]

shotgunning arrow special is possible but awkward

you have to be VERY close

[whole burrow]

I ran Chiron with it

And it did not seem to deal as much damage as I would think

[lean sluice]

and yes zeus upgrade works on each individual arrow

it might not be great if your chiron isn't upgraded much though

since its way less arrows

[whole burrow]

Level 4

[lean sluice]

well i don't know what to tell you then

because I had that combo

and it was dope

[whole burrow]

Huh.

[lean sluice]

it didn't DESTROY stuff

but it was solid

[whole burrow]

Well. I am looking at it now

The lightning seems to proc only once per target

otherwise, I'd see multiple yellow "45"s popping up

[lean sluice]

huh

that seems wrong

maybe its buggy somehow

[whole burrow]

Maybe it was an update because the developers thought it was too powerful to deal 300 damage in one hit?

[atomic panther]

No, it's always been one lightning proc per target

[whole burrow]

That's what I thought

Reading up all the patch notes

I guess Red just didn't know how it worked.

In that case, I do know that Dionysus Special can proc multiple times with Chiron

[atomic panther]

Yes, it can

[lean sluice]

I expected on-hit effects to work consistently

[atomic panther]

And Poseidon Special with Chiron aspect is very fun

[whole burrow]

Ehhh

Tried it. I get screwed by Shield Dudes

[atomic panther]

It is consistent. It's been one proc per target for as long as it's been in the game

[lean sluice]

that is not what I said

[whole burrow]

I mean. I guess it is considered "one use" of a Special

[lean sluice]

multiple hits apply multiple poison stacks

[whole burrow]

Perhaps because it's a curse?

And not just flat damage

[atomic panther]

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, that's a conscious choice made because otherwise Zeus would be too good

[whole burrow]

If Chiron Zeus worked per hit

You'd deal more than 400 damage per hit

[atomic panther]

^

Even before that, though, back when you could dash up to someone and shotgun 18 arrows into their chest, that would've been absolutely crazy

[whole burrow]

But yeah... You'd kill Meg in just 5 specials

[lean sluice]

thats honestly not hard to do with plenty of other broken combos you can get

but w/e

[whole burrow]

I mean. There is a large difference between killing something in 30 seconds

and killing something in 5

[lean sluice]

it either needs to be rephrased for clarity or adjusted to work without being stupid imo

[whole burrow]

Well. You shouldn't lie and claim that you've tried Zeus Arrow Special and know how it works, but whatever. Your life not mine

[lean sluice]

what part of "I played with this and the damage it did seemed like it worked this way" is a lie

[whole burrow]

Read what you typed. I don't need to argue when you're just twisting things

[lean sluice]

honestly I agree, its an awful hour for trying to argue with people accusing you of crap over a video game mechanic

just gonna make a block and go to bed

[neon ridge]

holy crap, got extremely lucky with my boons https://puu.sh/ES6xg.png

Splitting Bolt with Lightning Strike + Chaos Attack + Thunder Dash + Static Discharge + Double Strike + Storm Lightning
Eris Aspect + Heartbreak Flourish + Triple Bomb + Rocket Bomb
Vengeful Mood with Curse of Vengeance + Impending Doom + Holy Shield + Brilliant Riposte + Wave of Despair
Greatest Reflex + Greater Haste + Greater Evasion

[tame obsidian]

So the Support Fire boon from Artemis doesn't seem to apply per hit, but rather per usage of an attack or ability. Does anyone think this seems right or should something be done about it. If not then could the devs put the tooltip in that it works per usage not per hit?

[final fox]

pretty sure that's how it's supposed to work

otherwise blade rift + support fire would obliterate the game and also your framerate

[muted patrol]

I think the per hit wording was used because support fire won’t activate if you swing at air

Is it agreed that sword is the worst weapon? Or are there any arguments for or against it?

[tame obsidian]

Well sword isn't the worst weapon statistically. Gun is the worst weapon and spear is the highest damage weapon
Sword is ok

[jagged pewter]

with no aspects i think shield or gun is worst weapon yeh

[tame obsidian]

Shield isn't because it can easily activate doom without major downtime on usage. The fact that gun does the least damage per hit and requires a reload means it's the worst.

Only reason that shield isn't as bad as gun

[muted patrol]

Shield can pretty much nullify any attack

I’ve had runs where I just faceroll my boons and I’ve still beaten the game easily

On lower heat of course, but if I tried to build better I’m sure that I would do fine on higher heat

Sword is just lacking in both range and/or defense, making it rough to fight final boss with

At least in my experience

[mild crag]

I feel cheated

Asterius charged me (and killed me) after he was impervious in the mini boss fight after I "defeated" him

[runic ermine]

The gun is my fave. There's a Daedalus upgrade that gives 75% slowdown on enemies just being targeted by the special, and it stacks. I just beat Hades for the first time with this, with a Weak effect on the special, lightning/homing arrows/exploding ammo on main attack and deflect on dash. Absolutely melted most things.

[muted patrol]

I melted him with weak on special and poison on main, and then had low tolerance to stack even more

Other way around, special was poison, weak was main

[lyric hound]

Hey guys, probably dumb question but does Blinding Flash (Your attacks that Deflect also make foes Exposed) only work with the attack athena boon? Or does it work with other sources of deflect?

[muted patrol]

I had the triple special hammer boon

It works with all

I use it with dash all the time

[restive tinsel]

If you start a run with pierced butterfly, then switch it out later do you still keep the damage bonus?

[muted patrol]

You just run yourself into then

[lyric hound]

ok sweet, yeah that's what i was lining up for

[mild crag]

you lose the damage bonus

[muted patrol]

Them*

[restive tinsel]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Also what do the red things do

If you hit an enemy do you deal extra damage?

Or are they just a range alternative for mele runs?

I looked on the wiki, but couldnt find anything related to what Im after

[lyric hound]

there's a mirror buff that lets it become a debuff yes

[mild crag]

It's a ranged attack, and you can get a mirror upgrade that makes it so you deal bonus damage ot enemies which have it stuck in em

[lyric hound]

but it's what boons that refer to "Cast" are talking about

[wind vale]

blinding flash works with every boon from athena that deals damage(its the damage from the ability, not actually reflecting anything, that gives the debuff)

[restive tinsel]

By default they dont serve as a damage amplifier?

I cant find anything related to them evenwhat they're called. In the game as far as im aware they just use the symbol to refer to them

[wind vale]

i often take it for my dash to give privileged status if i dont have it yet

[lyric hound]

so if i literally just want a free source of status, that works then?

[wind vale]

yea

[muted patrol]

Yes

[lyric hound]

cool

[muted patrol]

Your first status is usually weak

[restive tinsel]

oh so if you hit two that counts as the two status's?

[muted patrol]

So that plus exposed works

No, two different statuses

[lyric hound]

@restive tinsel i'm not sure that casts count as statuses. cast only is a debuff if you've taken the mirror upgrade (I don't know the name, middle of a run)

[pastel jolt]

boiling blood

[muted patrol]

Oh yeah

Casts aren’t status

Isn’t that when you get hit it charges ur god gauge?

[steep dome]

what u guys highest crit

[restive tinsel]

@lyric hound oh, they're called "Cast"s? I thought that was the verbiage, IE you cast them

[muted patrol]

1040 Bontes

[lyric hound]

i've no idea what the actual resource you need to cast them are called, the red things

[muted patrol]

Bloodstones

[lyric hound]

yeah that's it

[steep dome]

i reached 1104 with spear

[lyric hound]

thought i remembered that being said somewhere

[restive tinsel]

Yeah the skeleton said blood stone, but on the wiki I couldnt find anything related to blood stone

[pastel jolt]

they’re called bloodstones, yes

[lyric hound]

cast is pretty simple by default, like most things the main thing is you can change Cast ability pretty drastically with boons

[muted patrol]

Cough cough aphro cast cough cough

Best cast

[steep dome]

dio cast bes

[restive tinsel]

Got it, they're Blood stones. They dont serve as a damage amplifier unless you have boiling blood. Can be modified into things gottit. Got the game yesterday. Got two wins already, just trying to clarify things out for when it updates.. looking forward to it

[muted patrol]

Good to hear

What did you win with? Weaponwise

[restive tinsel]

Gun on normal, then the gun thing again on hardened

[muted patrol]

IC

[lyric hound]

you got a win already? damn, i've been playing for a few days now, reached final boss like 3 times i think

[restive tinsel]

butchering the names

Yeah ive reached him loads with the spear and the shield but cant clutch it

Gun just seems ez mode

the "Exagryph" or "the Rail"

[muted patrol]

Its aight

shield is baby mode if gun is ez mode

you can blindfold your boons

and you'll win

[restive tinsel]

Yeah sheild spam is fun

Mobility hella smooth in the game

Love it

[muted patrol]

oh yeah

its great

[restive tinsel]

It took me a bit to realize I wasnt taking all the gun perks

I was upgrading them separately but I noticed I wasnt getting all teh effects in the run

I was running damage tests for the ERIS Aspect one, but I only had the Zagreus Aspect equipt

was losing my mind for a brief stage

[lyric hound]

wait, does triple bomb work with eris aspect? stacking buffs?

[wind vale]

its only a single buff, doesnt stack

but it would allow you to use it more for damage at least

[lyric hound]

ok, thought so, that would be nuts

yeah just refreshes it i guess

[rose brook]

I wanna run a spell slinger build

[wind vale]

oh sidenote: enemies in the blast that gives you the buff already take damage with buffed values

[rose brook]

But then I haveee to run sword

And I'm just >->

[wind vale]

you can do spells with every weapon

just different ways

like hera bow helps you deliver the cast where you want it faster(and makes it drop faster) - great with dionysus, also good aphrodite

[rose brook]

I know some of the spells the crystals just plop onto the ground

But I wanna try like

Poseidon blessing

[wind vale]

shield would just help you stay safe while casts do work

[rose brook]

And grandslam everywhere XD

[wind vale]

eris gun aspect also buffs cast damage

[rose brook]

Then use sword to pop the crystals out

[wind vale]

achilles spear has the highest damage boost you can also use for casts

[rose brook]

And repeat

[wind vale]

and ofc you mentioned poseidon sword

[rose brook]

Yeah orz

[turbid needle]

and hera bow is great for casts overall

[wind vale]

it doesnt give a damage increase like the other cast build aspects tho

[turbid needle]

@jagged pewter someone mentioned earlier that you're able to escape trove trials in normal rooms as well, might be intended

[jagged pewter]

oh i'll adjust that comment then because i really didn't want to exit the room when i was trying to interact with e cure pond

[turbid needle]

@wind vale does allow you to use them more often if you're not using ares/dio

[rose brook]

Hm...

I still need a lot more titan blood then

Sigh

[muted patrol]

wow

I just got my first pre-hades run in a while

suprise suprise, it was with sword

[lyric hound]

wooo first victory

zeus + poseidon eris build

[rose brook]

Congratulations!

[lyric hound]

thanks!

[quaint plume]

Quick question: Enemies with shields have uninterruptable attacks. But some enemies seem to have uninterruptable attacks even without shields. Is that correct?

[turbid needle]

by "shields" do you mean armor?

and could you be more specific with your "some enemies"?

[meager mica]

Just now Hades dealt me ~140 dmg two times in a row

that was so good run but he melted me

[muted patrol]

yes, the enemies with the yellow glow that have armor are uninteruptable

[candid merlin]

Has anyone made Chiron Bow work?

Like using special instead of attacks to kill stuff?

[mild crag]

Special is too slow for rooms usually but with the right boons can be veri effective against high health targets

Such as poison

[candid merlin]

Yeah I kind of wanted to go poison on it but didn't find Dio yesterday

[mild crag]

Could just take his keepsake

[candid merlin]

I don't have his keep sake 😛

[mild crag]

Yeha that's gonna throw a spanner in the works

If you feel your rng you can try for Zeus poseiden duo

Zeus won't trigger each arrow

But poseiden will

[candid merlin]

Whaaaaat

I tried Zeus yesterday

[mild crag]

And if you take the duo they'll get struck by lightning each time

[candid merlin]

I thought it would trigger each arrow

[mild crag]

Nah unfortunately

[candid merlin]

For Hera aspect which cast fits the most you think?

I'm thinking Aphro

[mild crag]

Dio

[candid merlin]

It's always Dio isn't it :3

[mild crag]

Not always!

Aphro is pretty good too as well as Artemis

But Dio is AoE and the highest raw damage

So Dio is the best unless you're doing an exit wounds build

Then it's probably aphro so you can get the benefit of sticking your cast and some aoe

[candid merlin]

And for regular special what fits the most? In bow I always end up focusing on attack

[mild crag]

Regular bow special I'd say doom

[candid merlin]

Meh

Doom is the most boring mechanic imo 😛

[mild crag]

Perhaps!

I don't take it often

Focusing on blade rifts is usually more potent with Ares

[candid merlin]

Yeah I'm aware of that

Won my shield run specifically because I was spaming blade rifts

[mild crag]

Naisu

[candid merlin]

How would the artemis boon that spawns a second cast work with hera aspect?

[wind vale]

the same+

you can already load multiple casts into it

this just doubles the amount

[mild crag]

Big boom

More importantly how does support fire work

Do you get one for each cast loaded?

[wind vale]

no idea - casts hit too hard so i usually dont get it with them

but it fires whenever you cast normally

[mild crag]

Yeah just wondering if it's on load or hit or not at all

[wind vale]

unlike attack/special which fires when you hit(the first enemy)

[mild crag]

Not really important like I suggested

Support fire sucks on Hera

[wind vale]

so might happen when you load them

[mild crag]

lol

Could

Does chaos damage you for using casts when you load?

[wind vale]

i think so, yea

[mild crag]

Makes sense

[crude nebula]

it doesnt

it deals the damage when you shoot

[cedar mirage]

Jut saw a feedback asking chaos’s legendary boon chance, did something change?

[karmic coyote]

i think it's just extremely rare

[knotty folio]

ayy uh what does ambrosia do

I have like 6

[muted patrol]

Trade it in for titan blood

[limpid tapir]

It's a gift for four characters after nectar!

[muted patrol]

You can also give it to certain characters who have locked affinities

Yeah

[gloomy scroll]

gets super keepsakes

[limpid tapir]

I'd recommend hanging onto it; we don't know what updates will add what NPCs to the list

[muted patrol]

Mostly the titan blood tho

[limpid tapir]

Actually. That's a good question: how much ambrosia should we be hanging onto?

[muted patrol]

You can get plenty. Don’t stress it too much if you use it now. You also have a month til the next update

[limpid tapir]

I've hoarded all of mine, wasn't certain.

[muted patrol]

I keep 1, in case of a bargain

[limpid tapir]

Otherwise, the conversion to titan blood won't accidentally screw you?

[gloomy scroll]

I mean, I don't have too much of a problem getting titan blood through heat runs to unlock the aspects currently available

[muted patrol]

Yeah. Upgrading the aspects is the trick tho

That bumps up your titan blood need

[limpid tapir]

^^

15-16 titan blood for the 3rd aspects of most weapons

[knotty folio]

also does any1 have stats for the DR's on boon levels? I dont want to do math

[muted patrol]

DRs?

[knotty folio]

diminishing returns

[gloomy scroll]

I.... don't know if the wiki has anything, but it gets pretty harsh in terms of reduced increase per level after 2-3 in my experience

[muted patrol]

Not sure tbh

The first 3 levels are typically worth it for most boons

With poison the boost goes from 2 to 1 in most cases

[turbid needle]

nectur *

[knotty folio]

i take it on rail runs

early poison attack crazy and rail really needs it

[turbid needle]

has anyone got the last weapon? I noticed there's an empty spot beside the rail

[karmic coyote]

it's not out yet

[turbid needle]

ah ok lol

[karmic coyote]

probably a big and slow melee weapon like most people suggest

[turbid needle]

I seen that people want a scythe lel, this isn't dantes inferno

[karmic coyote]

Scythe, Hammer or maybe Axe

[limpid tapir]

Is it just me, or are Elysium shields and satyrs extremely annoying to deal with? One has a tendency to absorb way more damage than spears and swords (and those two are dangerous when armored because of how fast they are + have good range), the other has such a short windup on its poison dart

[muted patrol]

Elysium shields are kinda annoying. I clear everything else and then pick them off one by one

satyrs are nullified by getting divine dash

[limpid tapir]

Can't always get divine dash though, sadly ;o

[muted patrol]

yeah

I rig with athena trinket

usually works out

other times you can get like divine attack or something

but i understand if you cant do that b/c of build reasons

[limpid tapir]

It's just how fast their startup frames are are the problem for me. Snakestones are a threat if there's multiple of them, but they're better at area denial. Meanwhile satyrs can and will 100% hit you if you aren't dashing at the exact moment the projectile should hit you.

I've had cases where dashing to the other side of the satyr sees them immediately turn 180 and hit me in the back.

[turbid needle]

i just never stop dashing when i reach styx

hope for the best and still get poisoned bc big rats can't stop cooming

and satyrs have an extremely high dpi mouse and pro fps skills

[gloomy scroll]

I just killed second phase hades in 10 seconds

first phase took 25-30 because I didn't have my 31 damage per stack dio call

[limpid tapir]

Yeah, satyrs have nigh-perfect tracking.

And good job! o7

[solid cairn]

Yo I finally beat hades

shield op

I had 2 DDs left

ares special, explosive return

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/658350044235300864/unknown.png

that heroic after party was so good

60% threshold

[limpid tapir]

Right? It's such a good pickup when it's high-rarity

[naive cobalt]

Ooh pretty good time, too! Most people's first completion takes more than 30 minutes

[stiff smelt]

Was running chiron aspect bow and got lucky with the daedalus hammer giving +4 special projectile count

so i went poseidon special in hopes that i got his duo boon with zeus for sick damage (bolt hit whenever i trigger knockback)

but turns out there's some sort of mini-cooldown between bolts, and instead of one for each special projectile it's more like 1-2 bolt triggers per cast

[solid cairn]

do y'all recommend poseidon aspect

[stiff smelt]

sad

[solid cairn]

blade has one of my favorite movesets

[stiff smelt]

Poseidon is really fun for cast builds

the other sword aspects arent too good anyway

[limpid tapir]

I adore Poseidon aspect, the cast spam is hilarious

[solid cairn]

never tried a cast build

[limpid tapir]

Get Athena cast.

It's so, so good due to deflect + high base damage + homing

[analog gorge]

I love Poseidon. If you can get wall slam and double knockback you just pingpong things to death.

[limpid tapir]

If you get Second Wave, it gets even more hilarious.

[harsh aspen]

Good lord, clearing the game in only half an hour

[stiff smelt]

too bad poseidon boons are near useless vs boss

also the issue with cast build is that its a bit boon dependent

[limpid tapir]

Thaaat's why Poseidon boons aren't that great.

[analog gorge]

Bosses are easy once you get the hang of em

[stiff smelt]

Hermes' faster+autocast, and Artemis' +3 cast supply and double cast

[solid cairn]

what do you think is the easiest condition

[limpid tapir]

Not to mention Chaos boons for +1 or 2 casts, depending if you luck out

[stiff smelt]

i'd be really sad to run a cast build without one or two of those

[limpid tapir]

Easiest condi? More enemies.

Hardest is probably Forced Deadline

[analog gorge]

I usually go the condition that adds moves to underworld boss

[limpid tapir]

More enemies can be offset pretty cleanly by using the AoE attacks on your movesets, or having things like AoE casts or Zeus

[analog gorge]

The hydra is only one that gets much harder

[stiff smelt]

more enemies is nice since its only for non-boss rooms

[limpid tapir]

Exactly.

[stiff smelt]

i dont think ill ever run with the limited choice one

not impossible, but its not fun to not be able to make specialized builds pff

Also, i just had a full gauge Aphrodite call projectile be blocked by elysium shield guys

big oof

they really should make that piercing

[harsh aspen]

Got a second win last night on the railgun https://imgur.com/D6eXLp7

[limpid tapir]

I hate shields. And satyrs. And especially chariots. All the feedback I put down regarding chariots being deadlier than Hades himself got so many upvotes XD

Hey, good clear 😄

55 mins will quickly become sub-30 mins as you keep going, too!

[harsh aspen]

I'd say the best Attack Boon for the rail is easily Athena's

[limpid tapir]

Athena's or Zeus, imo

Zeus is flat damage, rail has high attack speed.

[harsh aspen]

I also got lucky enough to get the piercing upgrade, too, which helped immensely against shield bois in Elysium

[limpid tapir]

If we're talking about Hestia rail, then anything with high raw damage increases. Artemis crits with Hunter Dash are A+

^^^ triple mortar helps too

[harsh aspen]

Only have Zag rail

Not too fond of reloading so I tend to look for hammers when I can and hope to roll Infinity Chamber

[stiff smelt]

every single time i used rail i got the triple bomb upgrade and completely forgot about the default attack lmao

that special is wayy too strong

[harsh aspen]

I mean, I can clear Tartarus and Asphodel easily enough, but it's Elysium where the clock tends to stretch out, especially in rooms with Nemean Chariots and Flamewheels

Chariots feel like they tank too much, given that actual chariots (at least in Roman races) had wheels break on a regular basis.

[limpid tapir]

That special is 10/10 if you get triple special hammer

Oh god, yeah. Chariots (esp when armored) are so lethal.

[hexed pine]

Does the explosive catch on the shield decrease the throw range, or is it just me?

[limpid tapir]

They ram you for 15 base. They can ram you multiple times in a row.

No decrease, afaik?

[solid cairn]

If there was a big slow weapon

I would main that

[limpid tapir]

My biggest issue with chariots is that they either have to be able to be able to be knocked back, go slower, have a wider turn radius, or stop when you dodge through them.

As it stands, you can dodge through a chariot and have it 180 within the second to have another go at top speed. So you can end up in situations where, if you don't have terrain to abuse, you're going to be trapped in an infinite loop of dodging through the same chariot until it (eventually) stops. Assuming it's only that one chariot, and there's not more than one. Or it brought friends in the form of Elysium champions.

Spear is relatively big and slow compared to the rest?

[solid cairn]

Agreed chariots are dumb

[hallow valve]

How can i get more blood ? (i just got the one for the first boss with all the weapon)

[muted patrol]

you gotta beat the game

[solid cairn]

Then the rewards refresh

And it’s much easier

To get a lot

[muted patrol]

yeah

[hallow valve]

ah ok 😄 thank you

[solid cairn]

You won’t even need to beat the game again

[hallow valve]

the last boss kill me twice :/

[solid cairn]

It’s hard

Took me maybe 8 tries to win

[muted patrol]

what weapon are you using?

[solid cairn]

Me or them

[muted patrol]

if you want to ez mode it

go shield

[solid cairn]

Yeah that’s what I did I just gave up

Trying to do it with anything else

[muted patrol]

I managed

Sword however is just garbage

like its really rough to get it going

and if you do, the final boss is still rough

[solid cairn]

Rail is pretty good vs him

I’ll do a challenging run later on to make up for doing it easily the first time

[muted patrol]

trying to beat it with all the weapons is challenging enough, trust me

[solid cairn]

I almost beat it with Raul

Rail

When I didn’t use any sort of strategy

[meager mica]

i'm trap abuser so Elysium is pretty easy for me

just bait chairots into bomb plants or arrow

[little grotto]

hey guys

i just found out, skelly's keepsake the Lucky Tooth which gives a death defiance procs last

isnt that such a let down? or would it be too good if it was the first in line

i mean if it was to proc before the other death defiances

[granite vine]

why's that bad? you can refill the DDs and "protect" the keepsake

[meager mica]

bcs if you die before Hades you could just switch keepsake

[little grotto]

@granite vine thats a valid point. when equipped it i thought about it the other way, to preserve my permanent death defiances so even if i proc one i dont have to buy it back

[inner needle]

Ghost cursor why pls

[pastel jolt]

@glad mantle idk how this works out on kbm but if you're using a controller, selecting the boon being offered as a replacement will highlight whatever it's replacing to make it easier to find when you bring up the boon menu

[storm vapor]

Not sure where to leave suggestions but It would be really nice if I could refund titan blood spent on weapons....

[glad mantle]

ah yeah i was using keyboard & mouse!

i tried scrolling over the boon and seeing if there's a way but nothing seemed to be highlighted?

unless i glanced over it

and i didn't know about highlighting the boon in the boon menu!

thanks for the tip! def will help

[solid cairn]

@storm vapor #hades-feedback for suggestions

[storm vapor]

It says I don't have permission.

[glad mantle]

go to bot commands channel

and type in ?rank early access to get permission to post there!

[limpid tapir]

@storm vapor If you need Titan Blood that badly, do Heat runs!

Titan Blood comes pretty steadily, and its value would decrease if you could freely refund it. There was a suggestion earlier that you could spend keys to refund, which could work.

[solid cairn]

@storm vapor kind of removes the point of choosing a path. When you have enough to max out one aspect you can do the same for all of them

[granite vine]

decides to do an Ares-focused run
go for Epic Blade Dash
get Hermes +3 Dashes
guess I'm doing a dash run???

[crude nebula]

sure do hate the hydra

fun boss

[meager mica]

yeah

worst boss for me

[solid cairn]

There needs to be multiple bosses per level like Tartarus

Also is the sword really as bad as people say

[limpid tapir]

Slowest boss is Hydra, imo. I'd rather fight Theseuseses with his spear spam and god calling than a boss with multiple invuln phases and so many heads to kill

Not really.

Poseidon sword is legit, and sword moveset benefits from fast startup and recovery frames

The great part about sword after having used the others is that it's fast, mobile, flexible between special and normal combo, and is the next safest thing after a Chaos shield bull rush + shield throw playstyle

[turbid needle]

If I don't use bow or rail, the next funnest thing for me is the sword. I think all weapons in their current state are pretty viable and useable as long as you find it fun to use.

[median ridge]

if you could refund titan blood for weapon upgrades then that would completely negate the need for acquiring it in the first place. you can only use one type of weapon on a run so you would effectively have everything if you could refund the blood

[solid cairn]

^

I think my suggestion of having a preview for what some aspects do would help with the choosing process

[turbid needle]

you can preview it in a way; quitting will not save your changes

[solid cairn]

More work than it needs to be

[meager mica]

Posejdon build spear is safest thing in the game for me

and yeah, with choosing aspects

preview would be nice

i wasted 2 blood on Zeus shield

[median ridge]

it takes like a minute tops to quit and then reload the room

[meager mica]

it doesn't suit my playstyle

[turbid needle]

quitting and reloading should be near instant

unless you are using a toaster

this is an offline game

[unkempt pagoda]

it takes like 10 seconds

[crude nebula]

yea but not everyone instantly knows ya can do it

[turbid needle]

that is true

I never really thought about it because I just unlocked every aspect as soon as I could, since it only takes 2 blood

[crude nebula]

atleast we all agree

hydra can go die

its not even difficult

its just frustrating

especially with the second arena

[turbid needle]

I think it's meant to be difficult in terms of positioning yourself as to not get hit by minions, lava, and whatever they shoot at you

[crude nebula]

i dont feel challenged, well, i do

i feel mentally challenged when i fight hydra and stand in lava

[turbid needle]

without the second arena, I agree it's kinda just annoying but it's decently challenging in the second

[crude nebula]

its not

its a pain

[turbid needle]

well that's kinda what a challenge is

[crude nebula]

no

theseus and minos arent a pain but theyre much more difficult

[steep prairie]

whats a good build to try to go for with the adamant rail?

[crude nebula]

easy

[turbid needle]

theseus and minos are easier imo when we factor in harder boss pact

[crude nebula]

switch to the chiron bow and avoid the rail

bad take . png

[steep prairie]

I just need to beat hades with the rail then I got the prophecy of beating him with each weapon, the rail is fine but I'm not the biggest fan of how it plays, was maybe wondering if there is a fun build for it

[turbid needle]

rail works really well with zeus lightning if you don't wanna do shotgun

[granite vine]

Artemis extra arrows is fun too

[turbid needle]

you can do both

[granite vine]

3x attack damage is really nice

[turbid needle]

I usually prefer zeus for the base attack because it's consistent and does aoe

[solid cairn]

What rail aspect do you guys use

[granite vine]

I tend to take Athena for deflecting attacks whenever possible

[turbid needle]

the artemis extra arrows is pretty important to get but if you go full artemis route you'll be guarented to get it

[granite vine]

especially since railgun special is awful with deflect

[turbid needle]

I use zagreus aspect because I like the larger ammo

[steep prairie]

how do tick effects work with the rail for u guys?(poison and doom)

[solid cairn]

Yeah the special for damage one is too much work

Poison is very good

Doom not so much

[turbid needle]

yeah

don't do doom

[solid cairn]

With max zag or infinite ammo, poison is amazing

[turbid needle]

I use zag usually so I don't have to get infinite ammo, but yeah I can't put myself to using the other aspects

[solid cairn]

Also the only bad part of zag aspect is that it’s useless if you get infinite ammo

But it allows you to use things that don’t work with inf ammo better

[granite vine]

can you still get offered infinite ammo with zagreus rail?

[solid cairn]

Like flurry fire or spread shot

And yes

[steep prairie]

you can get the action reload buff when already having infinite ammo...

[granite vine]

now I have infinity+6 ammo

[steep prairie]

saw the option doing a run and thought that was useless

xD

[solid cairn]

Ok is Sisyphus’ quest simple or hard to figure out

[final fox]

simple

[solid cairn]

I’m just giving nectar to Bouldy

Ok who disliked my idea about being able to see boons while paused

There is no downside

[final fox]

you get the keepsake from sisyphus, not bouldy

bouldy is just a rock

[steep prairie]

yeh why doesnt it pause when u view boons

there's nothing tactical about

[solid cairn]

Because then you would see most of the screen

When paused

Just put a boons section to the left of the original pause popup

Or add it as an option on the popup

I know I keep asking what people’s preferred aspects are, but what do you use for the spear

Spear special seems pretty underwhelming so maybe hades?

[limpid tapir]

Hades.

150% damage bonus.

With Boiling Blood for a total of 200% without any boons and no backstab, you do 60/90/90

[solid cairn]

It’s also by far the best for fashion

Speaking of which, I need to make an aspect tier list for fashion

Chiron is S

[unkempt pagoda]

eris rail is UGLY but in a good way

[solid cairn]

Zag Rail be like

‘MURICA

[unkempt pagoda]

chaos, hera, and nemesis are top tier designs

[solid cairn]

Chaos looks worse than zag what

[meager mica]

Hades is pretty nice too

[solid cairn]

Zeus looks better too

[meager mica]

yeah

[solid cairn]

Ok maybe zag doesn’t look better than chaos

[meager mica]

Chaos is good when i'm hyped about some Lovecraft stuff

[granite vine]

I'm always hyped about Lovecraft stuff

[solid cairn]

Poseidon and nemesis are high up

[limpid tapir]

Zeus shield looks great, yo.

[granite vine]

What would be the best weapon to start a cast build with?

[solid cairn]

Hera bow or poseidon sword

Apparently Hera bow is absurdly powerful

But Poseidon is more fun

[final fox]

poseidon sword with artemis keepsake

get true shot asap

the other gods don't matter that much, just get a lot of artemis cast boons with poseidon aspect

and flurry cast if hermes offers it

[granite vine]

gotcha, thanks!

I usually forget that my right click exists until I get tired of low DPS on a boss fight, so hoping to switch it up a bit

[final fox]

your priorities are: true shot, double cast, exit wounds, and +3 cast ammo

if you manage to get all of those you've already won the game

and don't forget to upgrade your true shot with poms of power, you go from like 80 base damage to 140 with just one pom

[gloomy scroll]

I mean I'll start advocating for hunting blades hard after 3 runs in a row clean sweeping big bad man easy

they're super good and not hard to make work if you can use both keepsakes and get a bit lucky

[native ether]

I'll admit that Greek gods were quite petty and flaky at times so this isn't wholly out of character for them, but it still feels lame from a narrative perspective```

While I think I'd like more active consequences from them, Trials have a history of being run-enders in past updates, which made people never enter them and made them a quite unfun mechanic.

So they definitely shouldn't become harder imo

[gray plover]

I think it kinda makes sense that they go from 0-100 and then from 100-0

narratively it's awesome, because it kinda shows they're not really on your side

they just recompose themselves and pretend to care about you again

for the game... I think someone said that they'd like a way to make the trial stuff persist for the whole run. Like something like a heat option. I think that'd be fun to try. Really really hard though for sure

[little grotto]

my lord

infernal trove in the styx area

never again

[solid cairn]

does Sisyphus' end of torment quest involve the shackle

[crude nebula]

no

[solid cairn]

can I have a hint that doesn't give it away

[crude nebula]

talk with him a lot

give him plenty of nectar

[solid cairn]

I'm at the limit

are you talking about bouldy lol

[crude nebula]

you sure you keep talking with everyone

including achilles and hades

youll find dialogue about him

which is required

[solid cairn]

is it saved in the codex

[crude nebula]

no

the characters will say stuff about sisyphus

which allows you to buy him out of torment

[solid cairn]

is it easy to skip over

[crude nebula]

if you tend to skip dialogue in a lore heavy game

yes

[solid cairn]

rip me

[crude nebula]

youll know if you find it in the renovator shop

thats the price you pay for skipping dialogue

[native ether]

You'll know if the dialogue chain is happening if Sis gets a visit from Meg when you enter the room.

But you need to talk to Sis, Hades, Meg, those afaik are the main ones

[cosmic dawn]

Is Lament of Orpheus supposed to be instrumental only when you unlock it for the music stand?

[turbid needle]

Yes.

[solid cairn]

ok I have 4 titan blood what aspect should I spend it on

[turbid needle]

What's your favorite weapon?

[solid cairn]

sword

[turbid needle]

You like World Splitter?

[solid cairn]

is that the chop thing

[turbid needle]

Yep.

[solid cairn]

ehh sure

[turbid needle]

Go with Nemesis. It's the old Empowering Nova.

[solid cairn]

I heard nemesis is bad tho

[turbid needle]

It's my favorite build for the sword.

[solid cairn]

poseidon seems interesting

[turbid needle]

It can make very good Cast builds.

[solid cairn]

hmm not that into casting

[turbid needle]

Then you could rock Zagreus Aspect, which increases movement speed.

But I still like Nemesis.

[solid cairn]

what is empowering nova

[turbid needle]

Native crit chance on attack for two seconds after using Special.

Level 5 Nemesis is 35%.

[solid cairn]

tbh why am I caring about what other people are saying is good so much

[turbid needle]

Exactly.

Lotta people here don't care for Chaos Aspect on the shield, or the rail at all. But I love them and I do well with them, so I use them.

[solid cairn]

already have nemesis level 1

[granite vine]

went with Hera Bow, got True Shot at start.
upgraded into Tipsy Shot two chambers in, before I learned how exactly Hera Bow works.
snagged a Thunder Dash, next two boons - Scintillating Feast and Greatest Reflex

so now I shoot explosive lightning while running around zapping stuff for miles

[turbid needle]

I cleared 17 Heat with the bow on my first complete Hera run.

I got that, too.

[solid cairn]

yeah I'm a fan of slow strong weapons and sword is closest to that currently

[turbid needle]

So, with Double Nova and World Splitter (or with just WS if you've got something in the corner or against bosses), you can just alternate between Attack and Special and melt them.

[solid cairn]

ok sisyphus quest is happening

[turbid needle]

Good luck!