h1-builds-and-combat

[copper garden]

Great point

[wind vale]

festive fog epic is 140 damage base

[rocky mica]

Chariots and such? I can dodge them easily enough that I rather take a boon/god that will help me with boss fights or such. Its not bad perse but big picture person here. ;p

[wind vale]

and scintillating feast with it is nice

[copper garden]

Anyhow, going back to the Dionysus threshold build, I'm going to play around with it and figure out my thoughts

The pendent that increases your damage by 20% is actually great

[chrome viper]

Hera bow with festive fog, double casts and fully loaded was stupid good when I got it, but a mistake considering my pc could barely handle the effects

lol

[copper garden]

Haha, I feel that

Artemis's seeking arrows + rail took a toll on my graphics card

Anyhow, about to work my way through Elysium on the threshold build. Wish me luck!

[wind vale]

hmm - one thing i just noticed - how does god mode damage reduction stack with boon damage reduction?

can i finally become invincible again?

[rocky mica]

Isn't godmode enough already? ;o (never tried)

You already become decently strong without godmode given enough time.

[wind vale]

its just great if nothing can deal damage to you at all anymore

and i mean no numbers popping up even, not just not important

[copper garden]

Actually, one last thing came to mind: any tips for the minotaur/(I'm forgetting his name) fight?

It's literally the ornstein and smough of the game and it's terrifying

only beat it once

[wind vale]

if he runs its way easier to make him hit the wall than the statues to me

[rocky mica]

I ussually focus minotaur first. Stay on edges so you can hide from spear.

Its hit hit, move, dodge, hit etc.

[wind vale]

of the duo fight

[atomic panther]

I focus Theseus first, since his spear throw always gets me when I don't expect it

[rocky mica]

If he charges, dash through a pillar.

[copper garden]

You can dash through pillars?!?

[wind vale]

i make him run into theseus if he charges

[atomic panther]

If you position right, yeah

[copper garden]

Duuuuude

[wind vale]

he seems to hit him better than anything

[rocky mica]

pretty easily

[copper garden]

https://tenor.com/view/mindblown-amazed-explosion-space-omg-gif-10279314

[rocky mica]

sometimes he skirts arounds a pillar butnot often

and you gotta beware of him jumping 'straight' again after he jumps.

[chrome viper]

basically focus Asterius and as soon as you hear him or Theseus' spear charging hide behind a wall

and try to always stand behind Asterius so he doesn't hit you by surprise

[copper garden]

Thanks for the tips guys!

[rocky mica]

And try not to just suicide in and get a few extra hits in cause you think you can. Did that enough in the beginning. ;p

Well time to go to final fight with doom lvl 11.

[copper garden]

No spoilers btw

Still stuck on Elysium

[chrome viper]

gl!

[copper garden]

[rocky mica]

Ok... I won't say the final boss is Bouldy.

Looked like such a nice rock. 😦

[wind vale]

but then after you beat him you discovered it was all a dream - so dont hold it against bouldy 😄

[teal wren]

I thought skelly was the final Boss?!

[rocky mica]

Only if you defeat Dusa first.

Which is impossible to do.

And fight won. With a legendary which was completely and utterly useless. ;p

[turbid arch]

So all you guys are telling me that I won't have to fight Cerberus?

[rocky mica]

My lips are sealed.

[atomic panther]

||You don't||

[wind vale]

whenever i think it cant get any better the game proves me wrong 🙂 https://imgur.com/a/5e5n0mv

such a silly build

[tall crypt]

Any advise for a 32 heat build?

[wind vale]

no idea what i would go for tbh - i always close the window when trying to figure out which configuration i would take and am glad i got the statue earlier

[rocky mica]

Prob bow, 3rd aspect. poison/apro/athena cast and lots of Artemis boons.

It was without or much heat but I did one with +8 casts. Well easiest run so far.

compared to other runs of that levels

level*

[native ether]

It kind of doesn't feel like a proper reward for a boss, makes you feel like it's just a delegated room for another fight and there's nothing special about it.
Why not make it maybe a heart container? Like classic zelda style.
It's not a big deal and maybe that will break the balance a bit, like an advantage for people failing a run mid way on a new heat level and once they revisit it they get extra heart. But maybe that's also a good thing?```

Don't know if this has been addressed but there actually already is a system like this in place. Darkness is only offered when you can't get a bounty (aka when you've already beaten the boss with that weapon on that heat value)

That being said, this is kinda already a feature of the game if you have the contractor upgrade that gives you health when you pickup darkness.

[wind vale]

wow - i never had this before - using a god keepsake lowered the quality of a boon(first boon of the run - original attack dash call all rare, with keepsake common rare epic)

coming from resetting it by giving up ofc

[quaint plume]

Man, I just had the craziest build. I have 16 hours of playtime, so for some of you veterans it might be nothing special. Hera's Aspect with the Bow. +4 Special arrows through Daedalus. Crit Chance on Special through Artemis. Plenty of Special Damage Boons (two from Chaos and one from somewhere else). Doom on Attack, Aphrodite AoE Weak. Weak enemies continually get Doomed. Instant Doom on Deflect Dodge. And plenty of other stuff. Absolutely destroyed everything.

I love how you sometimes can be SO powerful in this game.

Greatest power fantasy.

[floral scarab]

lol, it balances out though. Sometimes, you get stuck with a resource run, where you get past the Fates with some stuff, but all your rares and epics were on actions you don't use (I never use cast)

[full notch]

@quaint plume That's the beast part in the game , beeing OP :)
I have 60+ hours and still not tired of it)
just finished the run with 16 skulls of act of punishment

@floral scarab i use the cast only with the bow with the last aspect
It can be a lot of fun

[quaint plume]

@floral scarab you never use cast at all, ever?

[floral scarab]

Pretty much. Imo, constraining yourself to go get the gemstone thing (idk what it's called) is something that I don't care for.

I'd rather just use the basic attacks that are always there

[quaint plume]

missing out on a lot of dps though

but hey,if thats how you want to play

[tall crypt]

50% dps to be precise

[turbid needle]

Only 50% of base.

Boiling Blood isn't a huge game changer.

[tall crypt]

bs dmg itself isn't that big if you are not building into it on purpose

[quaint plume]

yeah but sometimes a cast boon is just the best option, and those can really increase dps

[turbid needle]

It's good, especially on weapons with high base power (Hestia Rail, World Splitter sword, spear spin attack), but it's not the end-all-be-all.

Oh, yeah, Cast boons are amazing.

Hunting Blades is the best boon in the whole game.

[floral scarab]

yeah, I was underwhelmed with the base damage...so I never build for it. but I could definitely see how it could get powerful with boons.

[tall crypt]

I find cast builds work only once in a blue moon, when you have all the synergy boons

or when you use a certain aspect, which restricts you to cast build anyway

[turbid needle]

Casts are almost always supplementary, same way that Attack and Special are supplementary on Cast builds.

[atomic panther]

If I randomly get Ares and Artemis in the first two biomes, I will respec my entire build to get that duo boon and shred through every boss

[tall crypt]

they just get stuck, if you rely on bs dmg without right boons/aspect

[turbid needle]

One of the three becomes your main DPS (if you're not using two or more in conjunction).

[atomic panther]

It is THAT worth it

[quaint plume]

can you manipulate when you get duo boons?

[tall crypt]

kinda

[lavish whale]

any advice for doing more dmg with bow? ive finished the game with the other weps around 20min but bow feels like itll take 40..

[tall crypt]

bow sucks for speed runs

imo

bow sucks for any runs tbh

[full notch]

@lavish whale try to go for cast build with the last aspect bow

it can pretty much one shot evryone with the right boons

[turbid needle]

My fastest time with the bow is about 20 minutes, that was also with pre-nerf Chiron.

You can probably still do that.

[gray plover]

The daedelus thing that gets rid of powershot seems insane. With some crit it shreds

I did it in 23. I also got the 15% chance to charm so I'd just stand there and shoot. Even the bosses stop attacking you

[boreal mesa]

If you can get the upgrade that gives you a rapid attack rather than charge, a crit build becomes pretty good. It's the only weapon I can constantly get to the last boss with.

[gray plover]

I only got it because it was 'fated' since I didn't think it'd be good. dash attacks seemed nicer, but damn I was wrong

[tall crypt]

idk if its insane, it just makes bow bearable

[gray plover]

I like the bow. Was the first weapon I cleared with

[floral scarab]

The bow works well if you get the right boons. At least so far, I've had good success with doom and the Daedalus hammer that makes it be powerful against far away enemies. Throw in something to deal with the great-shields, and you'll do alright

[regal nimbus]

https://imgur.com/6sNqAFY

this run was insane

[gray plover]

I think I prefer shoooting people point blank most of the time

[kind fiber]

What are peoples opinion on the current elite encounters in act 4?

w/ and w/o the heat upgrade for them?

[twilit prairie]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375856938510188545/656263000248025108/unknown.png this is so sad...

[floral scarab]

As someone who hasn't beaten the final boss yet, I think they're fine. Not too hard, not too easy. Also, Netherworld, I'm lucky if i end up with half as many boons

[tall crypt]

don't think they are much harder, then usual

w/ or w/o

[floral scarab]

and rip Chewy nectar

and I suppose your run if you can't get to it

[twilit prairie]

yep

my streak

[floral scarab]

F

[tall crypt]

how long?

[twilit prairie]

not too long since its a new save, just 9

but this was gonna be #10

[gray plover]

if you just close it where does it save?

at the start of the room?

[twilit prairie]

i closed using task manager and it loaded me at a previous save in the House

so hopefully we're good

[gray plover]

lol

[unkempt pagoda]

it autosaves at the start and end of every room, unless you take damage

[twilit prairie]

yeah but it still was saying i was in the middle of a fight, since i didnt collect the reward

so quitting = giving up

[gray plover]

if it autosaves in the room the game should've reloaded you in there then right?

[unkempt pagoda]

^

[twilit prairie]

it spawned me in the house with stuff i had equipped before i prepared for that run

[gray plover]

so if you have a bad game that might kill you streak you could just leave and start a new one without any issues?

rip

[unkempt pagoda]

if the option to close the game said "give up" you restart at the house, if it says "quit" it brings you back to the same room

[twilit prairie]

if you close with task manager i guess

[unkempt pagoda]

that being said, i'm not sure if it saves before or after you pick up the reward, i don't pay attention

[twilit prairie]

yes, we know that

but its after u pick up the reward

lol

it said give up

im surprised closing thru task manager doesnt count as a give up tho

guess they do it like that in case you freeze or crash

better that way then the other

[gray plover]

exploitable though

[quaint plume]

it would be exploitable otherwise anyway

you could copy the save file and re-paste it in when you die or something

[twilit prairie]

^

[quaint plume]

this way its much more convenient for 99% of players who dont exploit without loosing much

[gray plover]

idk how important having the streak is anyway

[twilit prairie]

the only thing u lose when a streak ends is ur pride

[gray plover]

lol

[limpid tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/167120269121421312/656270153285107732/unknown.png

got it!

[autumn bough]

Second Wave is super fun. Too bad it doesn't do much against bosses.

[icy edge]

Had an insane Zeus/Broseidon run with both legendaries and the duo - while it is weaker on bosses, that combo chews through everything else

[limpid tapir]

Yeah, I wish knockback effects did anything to a boss. Second Wave on the Styx rooms was super, super nice since it affects even armored big rats.

Three casts of Poseidon + Second Wave = pingpong rooms of doom, it was super fun to watch

Is it just me, or does spear have much more significant startup lag on its attacks compared to the sword or gun?

I noticed that your dash-spam movement is much, much clumsier on spear if you're constantly attacking.

[haughty stream]

Yeah I was just thinking I seem to always get hit more with the spear than any other weapon, but I cant officially confirm it

Just seems there is more vulnerability in-between all your moves and actions with the spear

[limpid tapir]

I had to slow down my attacks and focus on dodging more; it seems to encourage a much more defensive style because of that lag, yeah

I'm not getting hit anymore with spear if I take my time, but that does mean stalling and potentially taking more damage because of it

It only cost me 80 HP in two rooms to realize the lag was super bad XD

[haughty stream]

Yeah I was inbetween trying a spear special run on difficulty 14 or 16 cant remember which and I was getting my arse handed to me

[limpid tapir]

Oof. Yeah, I feel you.

[haughty stream]

I was like... wait this doesnt happen with any of the other weapons BOO!

[limpid tapir]

Forgoing the 2nd and 3rd attacks in the combo (even though they hit harder than the 1st) honestly feels like it's worth it 😛

[haughty stream]

The only workable build ive found for high difficulty spear runs are spin attack into attack mods, ideally with faster spins or extended jab for quick clear with artemis deally

Thats why I prefer the spin attack hits so much harder

Rail and shield are my faves right now

Shield chaos with pretty much anyones boon on it is just shield throwing heaven

[limpid tapir]

Spin can be risky before daedalus hammer though, long charge

[haughty stream]

I beat my speed run with it like 3 times in a row

[turbid needle]

Finally, someone else who believes in Chaos Aspect.

[haughty stream]

Yeah small spin to proc the effect then poke to death at range 😄

[limpid tapir]

Hera bow and third gun are my favs so far, good burst.

[turbid needle]

I've got a promising 32 Heat run with Blight Flourish.

[haughty stream]

Chaos aspect has crazy fast multi hit clear and high up front damage

[limpid tapir]

😮 really?

[turbid needle]

I actually totally forgot about it until just now.

[haughty stream]

Cant go wrong really

[limpid tapir]

I need to try Chaos aspect.

That's multi-shield throw, right?

[haughty stream]

I havent bothered going far past 24 yet, I prefer runs I can actually win

Yeah the multi shield throw with a special enhancement

[turbid needle]

Chaos with Blight Flourish or Deadly Flourish (poison or crits) is best with it, I think.

[haughty stream]

Zeus Artemis and Dionysus are all good for it so far that I have tried

[turbid needle]

Are you me from a different timeline?

[haughty stream]

I dunno, fairly sure we have to be sharing the timeline

but yeah I was happy about blasting my speedrun with the chaos aspect

Think I got it a little under 15 minuites

16*

15:11.64

[limpid tapir]

I... need to get on ya'll's level. I'm still doing 1 heat runs and filling out my bounties XD

Rookie in comparison 😛

[haughty stream]

Aha yeah ive been filling out my bounties all of which are 11 or higher now 😄

Ive been playing the game a heck of a lot to be fair

[limpid tapir]

Niiiice. Damn. Alright, that's inspiring to hear too!

Finals just ended for me as of two hours ago, I'm going at it XD

[haughty stream]

Yeah its really one of the few games ive found to be worth sinking that much time into

Theres a lot to discover and do

In terms of story and personal challenge

[limpid tapir]

Right?

Hades is to roguelikes what Endless Space 2 was to 4X, for me. It blends good mechanics with great writing and visual aesthetic.

[burnt rune]

Hestia Aspect doesn't transfer to Spread Fire
):

[limpid tapir]

Supergiant games have some of the best art design and music, I love it

^^^ Hestia gun was the run I posted above. The first shot is the typical empowered shot, every other shot is the spread

So... there's no interaction. I hoped I could unload all the empowered shotgun, but alas

[haughty stream]

Yeah, but if you are using hestia reload fire is almost always more effective. Pierce fire as an upgrade is amazing. Multiple clean cut high armour and damage shots

[limpid tapir]

Mind you, I had fun with explosive shot + spread fire.

Ohhh damn, that's impressive. So, when using Hestia, how reload-happy should you be?

[haughty stream]

Have you cleared out all the bosses?

Specifically the third one?

[limpid tapir]

Do you still want to play as normal and fire the rest of the magazine, or shoot a few and load?

[haughty stream]

Cos it has an amazing perk on the pierce

[limpid tapir]

I've cleared all bosses on 0 heat with all weapons, yeah

Pierce?

[haughty stream]

The pierce upgrade for the rail cuts clean through the shieldy boi Theseus

[limpid tapir]

o_o

I didn't know that was possible. My typical way to kill Theseus if I had anti-shield was Festive Fog spam

[haughty stream]

He has 0 block against your damage at any angle its so great 😄

[limpid tapir]

Makes him so much less painful to deal with, thanks for the tip XD

[burnt rune]

my options were spread fire, infinite ammo or something for special
since it's my first try at Hestia I thought Spread was the best choice

oh well

[haughty stream]

Yeah we all tried it and hoped at some point WarRock 😄

[limpid tapir]

Wait. If you Infinity Chamber a Hestia, can you still manually load?

[haughty stream]

Yes you can

[limpid tapir]

Okay, good. I was worried that you could accidentally screw yourself XD

[haughty stream]

Infinity chamber with some people can be very strong, Zeus infinity is lightning spam

Especially if you get any attack speed buffs

[burnt rune]

I'll have to do another run for the chamber anyway
last upgrade to finish the prophecy

[limpid tapir]

Chain lightning for days.

[haughty stream]

Ugh, those god specific prophecies hurt me

[limpid tapir]

Also, I saw a suggestion how you should get two guaranteed daedalus hammers at specific points of a run; that kind of consistency would be amazing.

[haughty stream]

Also now the special has been nerfed somewhat I am finding the cast mod for Coronacht to be very fun

[burnt rune]

don't even mention it
Athena just won't give me her legendary, while Zeus kept throwing his legendary but never high voltage <o>

[limpid tapir]

Hera Coronacht is killer.

[haughty stream]

I got a crazy good run with artemis where she gave me +3 casts +1 purple projectile and her seeking high crit cast before I left tartarus so I am spreading 6 high damage casts per shot into everything

[atomic panther]

Legendary boons are always worth it imo, since they offer 400+ Obols at purging pools

[haughty stream]

I was dropping hydra heads in one shot

[atomic panther]

So if you don't want it you can just sell it no problem

[limpid tapir]

It's one of my favorite variants in the whole game because of that burst. I ended up winning with Aphrodite cast doing 250+ per use, Quick Reload, and spewing crits at Hades until he fell over

And the +1 cast Chiron purchase is so, so good with that.

[haughty stream]

Yup there are a lot of fun combos to discover 😄

[mild crag]

Did somebody say Hestia

[unkempt pagoda]

shout out to lightning rod + fully loaded

[limpid tapir]

With Aphrodite spread, you can shoot at one target and murder everything standing behind it at the same time.

[haughty stream]

Boo lightning rod, I always prefer to be using them asap and dont like them lying around

[limpid tapir]

Super satisfying to kill things the second they spawn!

[burnt rune]

that's gonna be my next try
love the bow but still haven't messed with Hera

Chiron for days

[limpid tapir]

Hera bow is 10/10

Right, how do you make Chiron good?

I've struggled to make it work because 15 x3 special

[unkempt pagoda]

you get zeus, artemis, or dio

[haughty stream]

For one of the less popular combos anyone like Artemis Ares duo with crazy big and dangerous tracking blade rifts

[burnt rune]

daedalus for + 4 shots or just upgrade it, ideally both

[mild crag]

You ideally get the hammer upgrade to increase shots

[burnt rune]

then any proc

[teal wren]

Hey so do I need to clear a game on one heat level before gaining more stuff or could I do ie Tartarus on heat level 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 for 5 titan blood?

[limpid tapir]

aha, rush a hammer, got it

[unkempt pagoda]

any other god for the attack, to tag enemies with

[limpid tapir]

What Aliek said, was wondering

[haughty stream]

Its good on high difficulty runs especially with dionysus cos its safe high damage from range

[burnt rune]

I highly recommend Hermes +special speed too

[limpid tapir]

So you have to really build around it? Gotcha, thanks!

[mild crag]

@teal wren one reward at a time

[burnt rune]

able to unload ~4 fans of 7+ homing arrows is insane

[haughty stream]

Also tears off the pact invulnerabilities

[limpid tapir]

I'll give it another whirl, I wanna make it work 😄

[teal wren]

well this is gonna be a bit awkward to level all the weapons then! :p

[mild crag]

For chiron now I like poseiden special with Zeus duo

[unkempt pagoda]

chiron works great if you can build for it, but it's still workable anyway cause it's still the bow

[haughty stream]

I miss when it used to be an additional +9 and then +50% at the start of the previous patch

That was how I did my 24 heat run

[mild crag]

Then you get rupture on knock back and jolt on zap

Free status too

[burnt rune]

I had artemis on special and poseidon on normal
kept people at bay with >300 damage on snipes and unloaded crits

[solid slate]

Any talk about changing up Budget Cuts being mandatory on Hell Mode? Just feels kinda crummy to be unable to use all the darkness I'm gathering

[haughty stream]

Its not that mandatory IMO

[mild crag]

@solid slate no official talk but definitely submit as suggestion

[burnt rune]

athena on attack is also nice with Expose to make the special DPS go higher, since the homing frequently gets backstabs

[haughty stream]

The biggest ones to avoid are faster movespeed and no choice IMO

[solid slate]

No, I mean it's literally mandatory as in you can't turn it off

[mild crag]

@haughty stream it's literally mandatory on hell lol

[haughty stream]

move/attackspeed

[mild crag]

You can't remove it

[unkempt pagoda]

i mean it's hell mode

[haughty stream]

Oh yeah I tried it out, kinda went shrug I already play at higher heat

[mild crag]

If there were a use for darkness beyond the mirror it would be fine

[haughty stream]

I prefer the choices how I spend my heat

[regal nimbus]

@limpid tapir with Hestia personally i Shoot once > Reload > Shoot once > reload etc. etc., only exception is when someone is like 10-15% HP, the reload shot is 150dmg on lvl 5 aspect so doing reload > 1 shot is best dps

[mild crag]

Otherwise get 2500 and ignore darkness

[limpid tapir]

Sounds good, I'll try it!

[mild crag]

Permanent broker deal would be nice

[limpid tapir]

Reminds me a bit of a bow 😛

[haughty stream]

I kinda wish the broker had deals to convert stuff back to gemstones.

[unkempt pagoda]

with the contractor you can upgrade darkness to have an additional use

[haughty stream]

I have been playing a ton and I still need like 5500 or so

Picking up the darkness sure. But its not great when you cant use it as a perma upgrade because of an arbitrary difficulty condition of hell mode 😛

[mild crag]

+5 hp is lame

[haughty stream]

^ Agree

[mild crag]

It's a good bonus

[haughty stream]

Only thing I take it over is the keys

[mild crag]

If you had incentive to pick it up already

Keys best now

[unkempt pagoda]

limited upgrades feels perfectly in line of what hell mode is supposed to be imo

[haughty stream]

I usually dont bother because I hardly ever bother to use the fated auth

Especially right now while trying to fill out all the prophecies.

[unkempt pagoda]

the entirety of the pact is arbitrary difficulty conditions regardless

[haughty stream]

What love have we got for the new companion trinkets/

Well if you self impose those conditions its less arbitrary

I never use the darkness in normal mode. Because its so anti fun

You end up relying so entirely on the boon RNG frequently

Rather than being able to make the best of a bad situation

[solid slate]

Just feels kinda crummy knowing that it's literally impossible to experience a run with say, maxed God's Pride and Olympian Favour unless I switch modes entirely

[haughty stream]

Anyway I am all about shady, gotta love that lil boulder

[solid slate]

I enjoy the difficulty but it just feels like I'm pidgeonholed

[haughty stream]

Yeah thats why I kinda just went... Yeah naw. Maybe put it up as a suggestion

Maybe let us choose between sets for hell mode

[solid slate]

would be neat

[haughty stream]

Definitely worth suggesting

[mild crag]

I'm surprised that it wasn't just minimum 5 heat

That's what I expected

Not mandatory certain conditions

Only one I expected to be mandatory was the no on hit invuln

[haughty stream]

I wasn't expecting it to be pact enforced. I assumed it was going to be harder enemy AI or new routines. Then you can add the pact ones on top of it.

I was a little sad but overall thats like complaining about the whipped cream ontop of the chocolate lava fudge cake. Not like it ruins it

Seriously though has anyone tried out that boulder yet? Its so freakin fun

[limpid tapir]

Boulder?

[haughty stream]

Especially because all the bosses have lines tailored to it. The first line I heard ||was hades saying "Was that a blasted boulder from the sky" I had to pause to laugh. ||

Yeah, the new patch added trinkets specific to 4 people unlocked with more conditions. One of them is ||Sisyphus, who gives you a little companion item called shady who lets you summon bouldy the boulder to drop on people heads||

[limpid tapir]

Ohhh, that's what it does!

I was wondering what that keepsake was meant to do XD

[haughty stream]

Yup I found it incredibly fun. When you equip the first one it should tell you how to use it from what I remember.

[limpid tapir]

Also: I'm currently in the middle of a spear run with Hades aspect. No other hammer upgrades: quick spin or massive spin?

[mild crag]

Quick

[haughty stream]

I prefer quick to open

[limpid tapir]

Will do, thanks! I'm still figuring out build orders and boon hunting

[haughty stream]

Keeps the run safer and you can engage the spin by dashing so you dont need to sit still

[limpid tapir]

Wait, you can dash out of a spin?

...why didn't I think of that?

[mild crag]

Yes

[limpid tapir]

You can dash out of damn near everything else in this game.

[mild crag]

Makes the hit box move a bit too

[limpid tapir]

I was wondering how that was done

Perfect, that'll help a ton.

[haughty stream]

Ive seen people miss it

[glossy plaza]

pretty sure you have actual i-frames in your normal dash that allows you to dash through almost everything

[haughty stream]

Figured I would mention 😄

[mild crag]

You do yis

[haughty stream]

Yeah but the I-frames seem weirdly unreliable with certain load outs

[glossy plaza]

it is consistent tho, it's just wonky hitboxes

[haughty stream]

I am paranoid sure but I am 100% sure the I frames forgiveness changes based on dash boons. ESPECIALLY Athenas

[mild crag]

Well athenas makes you impervious doesn't it

[glossy plaza]

cause Athena just make your dash deflect everything even during non-i-frames

[haughty stream]

It makes you deflect. But some things still hit you

[mild crag]

None of the other ones change your dash

Timing is just tight

[haughty stream]

paranoia intensifies

[glossy plaza]

pretty sure nothing have ever hit me during my Athena dash

[haughty stream]

I dunno 200+ runs I see patterns man

[glossy plaza]

at the end and beginning maybe

cause yk, that's when it's not i-frames for all dashes

[haughty stream]

Paranoid 😄

[mild crag]

Wouldn't make you impervious to damage over time effects ofc

[haughty stream]

Could be but I dunno. With the pace of the game it always seems a little strange.

[mild crag]

But no way you get hit by anything you can deflect

[glossy plaza]

I have dashed through everything in the game even with a normal dash except for Elysium Tower's arrows

[haughty stream]

One thing I like with the spear is trying to time my spin attack dash so I hit a skullcrusher when it lands on me but take no damage

Those arrows have crazy long hitboxes

[glossy plaza]

even Hades' swing

[mild crag]

They really tickle with increased trap damage too

[haughty stream]

And wide for that matter. and they persist at the end of a room. 😦

[glossy plaza]

@mild crag that is if you live through the Hydra Lava

[haughty stream]

Yeah I have lost runs because of those b* not to mention the traps in styx

Ugh hydra lava with the pact of punishment mod cri

[mild crag]

Hydra Lava is where you go for the forever sleep

[glossy plaza]

I never play with Heighted Security anymore

[mild crag]

Which is why I avoid extreme measures hydra

[glossy plaza]

I can play everything else but not that

trap damage is just broken and need to be fixed

[haughty stream]

Heightened sec is so easy other than hydra and the occasional dumb dumb move though

[mild crag]

Security is fine mostly til I'm like

[haughty stream]

Its two easy points I cant not take it! Then it kills me 😛

[mild crag]

"did that axe just hit me for 150 damage"

[haughty stream]

I mentioned earlier

I couldnt figure out why I started getting mega 1 shot by the final boss

Guess what

the green vases got turned into traps

[mild crag]

[haughty stream]

and heightened security makes them one shots

and you can get hit by two in a row.

[glossy plaza]

I never got hit by the green vases, the times I did get hit I just insta die either way so

[haughty stream]

Were you using heightend sec? if not they do like 20 damage

[mild crag]

I cleared the game so many times without getting hit by them

[haughty stream]

22 maybe I think earlier

[mild crag]

But recently I keep stepping in them

[haughty stream]

Every now and then though, they getcha

[mild crag]

Hubris

[haughty stream]

Its not just that occasionally patterns and abilities push you into them

[glossy plaza]

the times I do get hit by them is when Hades just doesn't send out the wave to break them all

[haughty stream]

I have another paranoid theory they didnt persist so long before but now their detonation makes the field hang around for quite a while

[glossy plaza]

he just call them up and dashes at me

that's just you being paranoid

[haughty stream]

I think you interrupt the wave if you hit him sometime

I dunno... Paranoia asides I dont remember them EVER OSing me before this patch

[limpid tapir]

Those jars? Reminds me of something someone said today:

Ma'SairToday at 5:03 AM
Or the Jar-of-go-home-Zag in the final phase.

Which is super, super fitting.

Zag-away jars.

[mild crag]

tfw you dash to avoid hades laser on your last death defiance and you dash right next to a cast with a 1 above its head

"guess I'll die"

[haughty stream]

I still think they should have allowed you to get a Cerby companion trinket so you can summon the big ol fluffball to pounce hades and stun him for a while

[long harness]

Could some explain charm to me?

[limpid tapir]

Not leaving Cerby out of this? 😛

Charm causes an enemy to flip to your side briefly

[mild crag]

Charm makes em your ally for a bit

[long harness]

oh I see

thanks

[mild crag]

Last lesser duration on bosses

[haughty stream]

Oh the hades laser of spinny doom can be avoided by being next to him I figured some people might not know

[limpid tapir]

It's just like charm in most games, just... very very short-lived

[long harness]

Cause I noticed I would charm an enemy but he would still chase after me

[gray plover]

He wants cuddles

It lasts 4 seconds but less vs bosses

[haughty stream]

One thing I loved discovering about this game is that some really OP stuff works everywhere 😛 Like aphrodites charm on the gun attacks

[long harness]

[haughty stream]

With infinity

[glossy plaza]

lazer is just bollocks when I'm not dancing around the one wall in the fight

[mild crag]

Naughty language

You mean on the North West Side

The little alcove there

That's my safe place

[glossy plaza]

not really, the one wall that is in the middle of the fight

I just dash around it

[floral scarab]

you slap anything on the gun with no reload and it's good. Poison, charm, lightning, knockback...and especially artimis's extra arrows

[glossy plaza]

throw spears and shields at wall

[haughty stream]

Oh you threw that suggestion in suggestions Koss 🙂 thanks

[limpid tapir]

Lightning infinity chamber is dope.

[haughty stream]

I cant post in there so 😛 I just assumed I am a lowly peasant

[gray plover]

You have to give yourself the role in the bot channel

[haughty stream]

Triple bomb with rocket mods on the gun can be crazy fun

Ooooh I see. I am also too lazy

[mild crag]

[limpid tapir]

Triple bomb was my first gun victory, alongside festive fog for maximum death from above

[floral scarab]

Triple bomb with slowing has been my go-to for the last 2-3 runs

[haughty stream]

The slow is nice.

But the rocket is fun

[limpid tapir]

75% slow is great.

[floral scarab]

Makes everything but the boss a piece of cake

[mild crag]

I wish the hammer would give me explosive shot more frequently

[limpid tapir]

Explosive shot + spread shot is hilariously good at CC

[haughty stream]

I have a lot of love for +3 dashes againt poor ol Asterius

[mild crag]

I just like splash damage on my hestia empowered shot

[haughty stream]

Watching him chase you should legit be a meme or a parody video

[mild crag]

[haughty stream]

Also I am so waiting for april fools just to see what bouldy says and if Tisiphone says something like "Cheesecake?"

[mild crag]

Inescapable blast slows asterius too

It's so tragic

[haughty stream]

Then you give him his shiny new golden armour and he spin attacks you for about 200 damage cos you thought I frames would save you

[mild crag]

Have done extreme measures elysium yet

Too scared of extreme measures hydra

[haughty stream]

I nearly died laughing when I saw theseus

Do a run with just those

you will get a heck of a kick out of it

I wont even spoiler it, its that good

Oh a fun but pointless mini glitch I found is that if you blast poor skelly with three casts and then swap weapons it gives you back all your casts

When he dies or drops them they are all there but you can only go back up to three. So pointless but I enjoyed it

[mild crag]

Oh neat

Does sound like a glitch tho so F10 it

[haughty stream]

Too lazy 🙂 I have f10d so many things and ive done an 11 hr stream today

so right now im doing absolutely nothing

[mild crag]

Lul

That's a long strim

"just one more run"

[haughty stream]

I am probably in a speed running minority but I would like if there was a more guaranteed way to get the exit in Styx. Like if you pay Charon 1000 obols or something he highlights the correct route

I was playing other stuff and doing creative writing as well. Did about 8-10 runs over the course of the stream I think

The RNG has killed so many promising runs for me

What are you guys opinions on the Hydra? I kinda feel like its the weakest boss on so many levels. It has no narrative or dialogue attached really. The boss fight is punishing under so many odd circumstances, the pact seems to make it incredibly hard compared to the first and third. And most of all its SO BLOOD AND DARKNESSY slow

The only thing I find more irritating is the barge of death with the miniboss modifier on it. Its ended so many runs for me.

[limpid tapir]

Agreed, and it's just frustrating to fight with so many invuln phases.

A lot of feedback on the hydra in #hades-feedback has been about said hydra being annoying, boring, or both.

[haughty stream]

Yup although I did get a build once that slammed every head in one hit. And that was satifying. Like playing wack a hydra

[mild crag]

Normal hydra is

Extreme hydra is unfair

[haughty stream]

Yup annoying on every level

Its not that much tweaks needed to make it reasonable on both points.

Little more room to move and or harder pattern instead of less arean on extreme. Lower invul phases that react quicker. All heads dead throw it at me I can take it

[deft lance]

Hydra

[haughty stream]

More spread in the patterns so it isnt so casually easy to deal with

Reminds me so badly of the hydra in dark souls 1 😛 oh look If I stand here nothing hits me... ever.

[mild crag]

Feels like a placeholder boss from early alpha kek

Especially because of the presence of the healing urns

Strange that that's the only fight with two guaranteed health pot things

[haughty stream]

Yeah actually 😛

Good point 😛

Anyway I gotta get some sleep. Happy hadesing all. Blood and Darkness n all that.

[mild crag]

Nini

[limpid tapir]

Those chariots from the Hades fight yo.

Both invuln phases he dropped one with two brimstones to shield it.

Armored, unstoppable, fast, relentless, ended up costing me more HP than the rest of the fight combined.

[burnt rune]

Hera Bow + True Shot + Burst Shot + Fully Loaded + Quick Reload is my new favorite thing

[eternal stag]

add in exit wounds

[civic barn]

yeah the variations in the hades summon list can get really exasperating

at this point i feel like that's a bigger issue than the fight itself

[burnt rune]

unfortunately even after some rerolling I couldn't get either exit wounds or artemis attack for maximum crit hunting goodness

[civic barn]

say you get a semi-okay build and you run into a whole bunch of exalts

[burnt rune]

still, bow is probably my favorite weapon with both non Zag aspects

[civic barn]

how does true shot interact with the hera bow?

[burnt rune]

it hits the enemy normally, but if it dies, the shots automatically go after something else
the magic is that with fully loaded and burst shot I was spitting potentially 12 crits at once that couldn't miss

melted bosses

[civic barn]

hm, i should try that out

[burnt rune]

and against normal enemies, it automatically became an AoE for each kill

[civic barn]

some of the casts really don't work well with hera aspect right now i feel, so i haven't used it too much

didn't run into er, tipsy shot and true shot before that so i don't know how those interactions work

time to experiment i guess!

[eternal stag]

even with ares or dio casts the speed and aiming is an advantage

[burnt rune]

oh
tipsy + hera sounds interesting

[eternal stag]

same with poseidon sword and bonus cast damage

[burnt rune]

even more with the Zeus duo
(if I ever manage to grab it >.>)

[eternal stag]

honestly cast builds are some of my favorite

[civic barn]

i ran into it twice recently, the duo is really nice

[eternal stag]

yessssss both lightning rod and scintillating feast are So Fun

[civic barn]

but i don't know if you want to stack it on top of each other; would that stack the damage actually

[eternal stag]

i think it does? idr

[turbid needle]

You guys with your builds, I just cross my fingers and hope for the best with what I pick

[civic barn]

it's all up to the fates

[eternal stag]

haha, i've been playing for a while so you kinda get a feel for it

[burnt rune]

even if it doesn't, you can cover the boss path or whatever by quickly loading one cast per shot

[eternal stag]

no harm in trying new things tho!

[burnt rune]

sounds nice~

[cosmic dawn]

Is it possible for doom attacks to crit with the proper boons?

Such as pressure point for example

[turbid needle]

Yes.

[cosmic dawn]

Cool, thanks for the answer

[naive cobalt]

I just played with -1 choices and limited darkness to complete my pact quest. Ughhh that was a tedious attempt. I never want to use those pacts again. :/

It wasn't until Elysium that my core build came together

[steel shoal]

They really need to rework bow targeting principle for when you have sniping upgrade

Trying to aim at far away targets is a chore and even more if you want to get that crit for timed release

It cycles between possible targets and softlocks on them with some targets having more priority, if I understand it correctly

[delicate granite]

IMO except for that one targeting issue, bow seems to be the hidden easy mode.

[tawny quest]

anyone got any tips for 16 heat

im skipping a few steps to get the achievements

but i keep getting swarmed

and asterius does 120 per hit

[kind fiber]

How do you do the "The useless trinket" fated prophecy?

[tulip peak]

am i misunderstanding cast, or is it just not very good

[kind fiber]

Cast to start out with is probably very mediocre

It however, has some strong supporting boons in the game

You can upgrade it in the mirror to be a 50% damage bonus on all your other attacks

Boons that effect your cast scale very well with poms

some of the weapon aspects you'll find later also augment casting

@tulip peak I hope that answers your question

[tulip peak]

huh, alright, thank you

[glossy plaza]

Cast duo boons are very strong (lighting cloud or bouncing phalanx) or just Ares vortex

preferably with some other boons from best girl Artemis (maybe a +1 bloodstone from Chaos)

[kind fiber]

Theres that boon from hermes which increases the cast attack speed by 88%

artemis has alot of strong cast boons as well

+3 cast storage

Cast an additional time for 45% damage

[glossy plaza]

I never cared about the cast speed, the main bonus is rapid casting

[kind fiber]

casts deal damage when dropping from an enemy

Yeah?

[burnt rune]

ares/artemis duo cast is a 10/10

[glossy plaza]

that last one is pretty useless imo

[kind fiber]

Its for bosses mostly

[glossy plaza]

still too weak to justify a slot compared to the other 2, but if that's the only choice, might as well

[kind fiber]

Dealing an additional 100 or so damage per cast helps you burn through boss health bars when you only deal 160 or so damage per cast normally

Theres fast reload as well

[burnt rune]

pair it with the poseidon sword and extra casts

[kind fiber]

so that you can actually continue casting even if the enemy hasn't died yet

[glossy plaza]

best cast is still lighting clouds anyways

[kind fiber]

Is it?

[glossy plaza]

if you want to burst bosses, more casts and lighting clouds

[kind fiber]

My experience has been poseidon is the best cast

[glossy plaza]

yes, you can literally 5 cycle Hades' hp bar

[kind fiber]

over like what?

40 seconds?

I think artemis + ares does that alot better

[glossy plaza]

maybe, never got lucky with Ares

[kind fiber]

it might have been more proper to say that ares has the best cast

All you need is the duo boon from ares

if you are comparing it to the duo boon from dion and zeus, it seems perfectly reasonable

[glossy plaza]

yea, they are comparable

it's mostly just luck after all

[kind fiber]

posiedon is crazy for non bosses tho

[glossy plaza]

you make do with what you get, not like you have a lot of choices a lot of the time on high heat

[kind fiber]

How high of a heat do you play on?

[glossy plaza]

after 3 fail runs of spear 30, I'm stopping

on Spear I mostly just play like a coward and throw spear at wall xD

[kind fiber]

30? you play with 30 heat?

k

[glossy plaza]

it's not hard once you get used to it

just long and slow

also avoid Heighted Security

best advice I could give, until they nerf Lava damage

[kind fiber]

Yeah, I'm not interested trying to make the game that difficult on myself

[glossy plaza]

hard is what makes it fun tho

still don't know what I will do with my 6k Darkness that has piled up

Hell mode kinda limits you

[kind fiber]

Only 6 k darkness?

[glossy plaza]

I just came back, what do you want from me

been at it like 1.5 week

on a fresh save on Hell mode

[kind fiber]

fresh save explains it

[glossy plaza]

don't want to touch the "normal save"

it has like 10k Darkness back in Feb

I played hella a lot xD

[kind fiber]

I'm trying to trigger sisyphus's event and I'm not sure whats taking so long for it

[glossy plaza]

who is sisyphus again xD

[kind fiber]

bouldy

[glossy plaza]

oh

[kind fiber]

bouldy's friend

[turbid needle]

Hunting Blades is the best boon in the game.

[kind fiber]

Strong contender if nothing else

[glossy plaza]

my favorite tier 1 boon is attack Artemis personally

followed by the everyone's favorite Athena's dash

[turbid needle]

I don't want Divine Dash to be nerfed, but I feel like buffing the others to match its defensive utility in their own ways would make them all super OP.

[glossy plaza]

I personally only like Athena's dash when I'm playing ranged build

If I'm playing melee already, Zeus is better

guaranteed damage > deflect

either Zeus or more Artemis, just kill them b4 they kill you EZ right?

xDDDD

[turbid needle]

Nah, Divine Dash is still the best. Its defensive power is too much.

[glossy plaza]

I never like it personally, just give me Hermes more dashes and more damage

[turbid needle]

You dash so much that it's just a ton of safety that nothing else can quite provide.

[glossy plaza]

it's only minorly helpful on a ranged build

and I still can't get used to it

for me it's like "change your playstyle from dashing away/sideway from incoming projectile and enemies into dashing into them"

so I can't really flip a switch and change my playstyle

so it's a lot of the time useless to me

or i play too recklessly with it

a personal thing

[turbid needle]

No, you dash into enemies more with Divine Dash.

It still inflicts damage.

[glossy plaza]

yes, that's the problem

I can't get used to it

[turbid needle]

Good damage, significantly more than an unkitted Thunder Dash.

[glossy plaza]

and I can't time it right

[tulip peak]

||https://i.imgur.com/B4Xn2MD.png||
very very minor spoilers on in-game maps i guess? spoilering to be safe but not much to be spoiled here. just curious on what those little circles above my health bar are?

[glossy plaza]

it's much less consistent than Thunder

[turbid needle]

Death Defiances.

[tulip peak]

oh i see

thank you

[glossy plaza]

cause Thunder just have longer range

and I can dash AROUND the enemies

instead of into them

dashing into them is riskier than around

and on 30 heat, you know dashing headlong into enemies is ill-advised against those on Elysium or just anything with shield on them

if you are a god at reaction and prediction and know the enemies' every move, you'd be comfortable with it

me, well, I'm a coward xD

kitty cat xD

[turbid needle]

Someone said that they seem to get a Nectar reward after spawning into a hammer every time, and I'm pretty sure that's true. Why?

All the Contractor upgrades are very easy to acquire, to the point that I think it can be assumed, so to have a "wasted" room right off the bat is annoying and discouraging, especially since hammer spawns are so infrequent.

[harsh aspen]

So, it seems to me with the railgun, one would want to go for a Daedalic Hammer ASAP to get the unlimited ammo upgrade.

[turbid needle]

Sometimes.

Other times you want the shotgun.

But I think Infinity Chamber + Swift Strike pretty clearly outclasses Flurry Fire.

Maybe if it had even longer range and was pinpoint accurate, but removing reload downtime is too good, especially if you luck out with Explosive Fire.

[harsh aspen]

IDK, I only ran with it once before going back to the spear, since I'm learning that any of Ares' boons that grant Doom work fairly well with the spear, along with any of Athena's Deflect-granting boons.

[turbid needle]

I've got over 100 clears with the Rail.

(a lot of these happened before Styx)

[harsh aspen]

Achilles Configuration on the spear works surprisingly well with Curse of Pain O.O

I mean, both Curse of Pain and Curse of Agony

Add Dire Misfortune to the mix and DPS starts ramping up, but that's just my take.

[turbid needle]

I'd prefer Deadly Strike on Achilles.

With Quick Spin.

[harsh aspen]

True, although I prefer Deadly Strike with the Rail

[turbid needle]

Hestia or standard?

[harsh aspen]

Standard. Hanging on to my Blood to shop around configs, but I'm liking Achilles on the spear so far.

Deadly Strike worked well when coupled with Infinity Chamber and Divine Strike

[turbid needle]

You listed two Strike boons.

[harsh aspen]

I meant True Shot. I remembered that build wrong from several hours ago.

Also, I'm finding that one of the best upgrades for the Spear is Armor Skewer. You can tear right through yellow bars in an instant with it. Made the Hydra fight so much easier.

[atomic panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/544012082857902081/656380491775213588/unknown.png
12 Blade Rifts slowly scooting along the screen. See if you can spot the Zagreus

[turbid needle]

He's in the second blade rift from the right on the top row of 4 rifts, on the left edge.

[atomic panther]

Ye

[autumn bough]

If you trade out Than's trinket, do you lose the damage boost?

[turbid needle]

Yes.

[autumn bough]

Gun + Support Fire is great

[turbid needle]

How come I get an Eris Aspect Support Fire Hunting Blades run in Chamber 8 on my non-Heat-grinding run?

Epic Caustic Shot (+66%).

[pliant hawk]

someone said kitty cat
I am summoned

[atomic panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/656399892838744065/Hades_00117.png
+60% enemies in a Thanatos match was... a lot

Total 71

[autumn bough]

I've never had more than 20 or 30. That's a lot more than +60% of that.

[iron shale]

What are you guys favorite keepsakes? Especially for the latter portions of the stages

[frosty pier]

That's a good question, because it made me realise that I totally forgot about them.

But it's mostly two god-ones depending on a weapon, then Hypnos's lunch money, then Acorn.

[civic barn]

depends on the build to be honest; the broken speartip and lucky tooth is decent in general. I kinda like the the harpie broomstick in some cases, and right now Dionysus's aid is really strong so if I managed to get to elysium without a aid or some sort I bring out his cup.

i actually don't feel you need hypnos' money in most cases until you have the price pact on, and the acorn feels more useful for hydra personally than say, hades

i think if you are confident with the lambent feather it might be good trying to stack it up from the start, but personally i only try it for the rail because i'm fairly confident i can finish quickly with it in general

gotten a few 20%'s

[iron shale]

i am msotly curious what you put on in like styx

[glossy plaza]

Pierced Butterfly cause free damage is free

[civic barn]

besides the overflowing cup, that is what i use unless there's something particular in mind

[smoky crest]

I've only played a few hours and I'm already hooked. I look forward to more weapons being added in the future.

[glossy plaza]

imho tho, Pierced Butterfly is the lazy way to say "I don't want to swap keepsakes, I'll just stick with a thing that is universally useful and will give me about 18+% damage regardless of the build"

is it the best in any given scenario? prolly not, but it is the most consistent and while it's not the best answer, it's a good enough of one

you do have to play like a complete coward for well, the entire run which isn't the most exciting

unless you are a god at vidya gaime then nvm

[frosty pier]

And here is me running around with rusted shacke because I wanted to level it and completely forgot about it for like 12 runs

[iron shale]

is it random were the satyr sack is in styx ?

[glossy plaza]

I do think the paths with the skulls won't have the sack, correct me if I'm wrong

[frosty pier]

I think it desided after clearing atlest 3 room in the tunnel?

[glossy plaza]

at least one

I have it so many times dropped right on my 2nd tunnel

which is really annoying

[civic barn]

you can get the sack with a mini-boss at the end

that has happened for me a few times; though it feels like it shouldn't

since you end up not fighting a mini-boss in such cases

[glossy plaza]

yea, so I wasn't hallucinating that one run

I don't really took note of what path I take, I just run in and pray

doesn't really work out but not like there's anything else I can do

[vestal parcel]

Current keepsakes: Hypnos to start, Charon for the next two for long-lasting per-chamber heals, speartip in Styx.

[boreal mesa]

I usually run a god keepsake during the first 2 acts and 3-4 I'll usually switch to Myrmidon's Bracer since I always forget to include defensive boons in my build.

[eternal stag]

recently i've been running something random in tartarus if i want to see what boons come up instead of building for them

coin purse is never bad early on

mostly god keepsakes, sometimes broken shackle in asphodel and elysium, sometimes evergreen acorn for the first two biomes if i have extreme measures on, broken spearpoint in elysium or on heat

and then always lucky tooth in styx, because i'm reckless

that's also why i never use pierced butterfly

[kind cloud]

lol, sword special has been nerfed like hell

and why does the cursor keep freaking disappearing?

[civic barn]

i actually assumed it was intentional

was it not the case before

[chilly summit]

So I just got to Thesius for the first time and got utterly roflstomped am I bad?

Or is he meant to be a bit of a wall?

[civic barn]

they get easier over time by way of experience and darkness upgrades, so don't worry if you lose really hard when you first run into them

[chilly summit]

Meg and hydra went down after 1 - 2 tries can't see it happening with Thesius tho

[civic barn]

it takes a bit of time to get used to dodging theseus's spear, and the bull has a few tells for what moves he's going to do

[chilly summit]

I think the health they have was a bit of a shock 😅

[civic barn]

my recommendation would be to try out as many boons as you can so you start familiarizing yourself

[chilly summit]

I love doom 😂

[civic barn]

how far into the darkness upgrades are you? having them really helps a lot

[chilly summit]

I've been neglecting my cast though, need to try more weapons. It seems like the sword is a bit under powered

Got full boiling blood, about half of thick skin and one death defiance and the extra dash

So not much

Feels like ornstein and smough all over again which is a good thing!

[civic barn]

ok, the next few upgrades are very useful, so i'd recommend farming for them for a bit as you progress

[iron shale]

how does heras aspect interact with cast boons ?

[civic barn]

privilege status is a super useful upgrade

[chilly summit]

Extra DD doesn't seem that good untill I have more survivability in the first place 🤔

Also, is the sword a viable weapon to stick too?

[civic barn]

it's part of the fun learning all the weapons, but if you really like the sword i don't think thats an issue until later on

you do want to diversify and learn all of them at some point

[chilly summit]

I like the in your face style of the sword

But imma try the other ones

[frosty pier]

Sword is totaly viable, but in-game reward system encourages using them all

Ignoring the cast is not the best course of action, and given the sword as a weapon of choice... Yeah absolutely not that cash money of you. Some cast builds can carry your butt out of the underworld just on their own.

[pastel oriole]

dio and ares cast are my faves especially with upgrades

[chilly summit]

The sword cast is super weak at the start though

[civic barn]

all weapons share the same cast at the start

that's why you upgrade it to another type of shot

you start to see how useful they are once you get to know them

[chilly summit]

Heh, I guess the sword special seems too good at the start 😅

[knotty vigil]

Since cast gives a damage buff when they are stuck on an enemy, how does it work with other casts? I kinda tried avoiding other casts since i didnt want to lose that.

[limpid tapir]

Some casts can't get stuck in enemies such as Festive Fog.

Or Ares' Blade Whirl.

[frosty pier]

Dio and Ares dont stick in at all.
Athena and Poseidon dont stick if it hit more than 1 enemy.

[limpid tapir]

^

And Zeus' is super inconsistent.

Sometimes it sticks, sometimes it bounces around and sticks in something else, sometimes it bounces around and ends up out of bounds.

Unless you run a dedicated Ares blade whirl build, you'll likely be better off on Dio since Festive Fog has such high base damage by default + returns quickly into usable form

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/250297497153568779/656502771784089640/unknown.png

Hestia rail, anyone?

Doom for 160+ damage a shot stacking on top of Chaos Pauper's Strength for 38%, added up to be one hell of a one-shot reload build.

[knotty vigil]

Also, it kinda sucks that you can't pet Cerberus when you have nectar with you.

[frosty pier]

Dont just hold it then)

I'm sure Meg or skelly would apreciate it.

[knotty vigil]

I would give meg one if she would show up but I couldnt give her anything for like the last 4 times...

[median ridge]

give 👏 cerberus 👏 a 👏 treat

[kind cloud]

i'm not sure how but the sword had definitely been nerfed somehow, i can't get past hades with 1 heat (i've tried for the last 5 hours), but i can beat all 4 biomes on the shield at 10+ heat.

/and i started playing hades using the sword

Btw...kinda funny but mostly infuriating moment from one of my runs...
i was down to about 130 health out of around 310ish...i rushed in with my sword as hades transitioned from phase 1 to phase 2...as he stood up...he did 175 damage...i was just...flabbergasted...wtf? there was no swing animation, nothing, just 175 in cartoonish red as my character avatar turned red and then faded to black

[iron perch]

Spread Fire doesn't affect Hestia railgun's first shot after manual reload, is this intentional?

[lavish whale]

is it possible to open the two doors on the left? ive killed the final boss like 8 times now

[tall crypt]

asking again, any tips for 32 heat run? what to change, what weapon to use?
https://i.imgur.com/OByigKV.png

[frosty pier]

no doors for all of us

[tall crypt]

is it possible to open the two doors on the left? ive killed the final boss like 8 times now
no, they are just placeholder for future content

[frosty pier]

Let old man have his secrets... for now

[thorny sun]

i just beat a run with the shield (only on one heat though)

it was loaded with poseidon boons

absolutely hilarious in styx

hold M1

release M1

room dies

[floral scarab]

lol, yeah. Poseidon boons make styx a piece of cake. Stick it on dash, with one extra dash and bonus to slam damage, and there were rooms I cleared in 2s

[thorny sun]

i had the hammer upgrade for the shield that replaced bull rush with a projectile

it was so good

[teal wren]

So I got 28 keys due to prophecies, is gods pride notably good or better to save them for fated authority?

[thorny sun]

it also trashed theseus, though the minotaur is unaffected by knockback so eh

[tall crypt]

So I got 28 keys due to prophecies, is gods pride notably good or better to save them for fated authority?
dont unlock the last one

it's extremely expensive and barely affects gameplay

I mean unlock it, when you got the rest

[thorny sun]

contractor is annoying

every time i come back it's all 3 diamond items

[steel shoal]

His pool needs some expansion, yes

[tall crypt]

he just needs songs moved on other list

or make it so you buy them for gems, not dia

[knotty vigil]

Got through elysium for the first time now :D
Those two are pretty annoying and have so much health...
Also got to the final boss (I assume) but died there.

[thorny sun]

i'm assuming people always go for asterios before theseus

[frosty pier]

For psycological and practical reasons mind you.

[thorny sun]

he's so much more dangerous than theseus

[floral scarab]

Final boss is tough. At least with the rail gun, I can get through a run with all my death defiances up, but die to bossman.

[thorny sun]

using privileged status made my runs so much easier

+50% damage is no joke

what boons were you using? the rail is a little hard for me to use properly

[floral scarab]

And I go for Asterios first because I don't want to deal with Theseus's Calls while also dealing with Asterios

Boons, i go for what i'm given; still haven't completed a run. I've usually tried for Poseidon on attack/special, slow on the special, and Ares on the dash

[harsh aspen]

@kind cloud What aspect are you using, if you've unlocked them?

[glossy plaza]

I go for Theseus 1st to knock him off the chariot

and also kill actually xD

he's easier to kill

[thorny sun]

i haven't buffed the bosses yet

that's the same pact that adds multiple furies right

[glossy plaza]

unless I'm playing a ranged build then Asterios I guess, dash around like a coward

yes

not that hard tbh

you get used to it

also I learned something good, Athena's attack boon is by far the best xD

[harsh aspen]

Divine Strike is one of my favorites but Artemis' attack boon is also decent for the bow and railgun

[viral valve]

soo ive gotten a little into the game now, and Im wondering if there are more skills to be unlocked by darkness other than the ones that were unlockable by keys from the start and were to get those weapon upgrade keys exept for cleaing tartaos first time with a weapon^^

[harsh aspen]

Trading in the Lounge

Titan Blood normally is only acquired once per weapon, then traded with the shade in the Lounge for more.

[viral valve]

kay , thanks^^ so I gotta geta alot of keys^^

[floral scarab]

Unless i'm mistaken, you can sink tons and tons of darkness into the mirror once you have the keys to unlock the new abilities/blessings/whatever

[harsh aspen]

It's 36 for altering room rewards and 24 for Boon drop chance, IIRC

[floral scarab]

yup. I'm working on maxing out the boon drop chance; it certainly makes runs a lot more powerful

any chance you know how many levels you can add to the Epic Boon Chance?

[teal wren]

zeus for the railgun imo

[thorny sun]

+25% for epic boon

[floral scarab]

k, im getting close then.

[proud storm]

truly the cornerstone of my build

https://i.imgur.com/1IIJkHw.jpg

[eternal stag]

daaaaammn

[neon ridge]

the clutch lul
https://puu.sh/EQsK6.png

[little grotto]

@proud storm can the lightning bounce on the same target multiple times?

[proud storm]

no

[floral scarab]

lol, I had that too @neon ridge ....then bossman had his 2nd wind. Also, watch the spoilers

[fleet current]

I hope they have something useful for Darkness in Hell mode in the future.
I have them stacked without any use so far. And as a reward option in the dungeon, I just pass on those...

[glossy plaza]

I take those sometimes actually, more hp is better than some gold that you can't use or a changing room charge

[knotty vigil]

Is there any advantage to using hell mode?

[glossy plaza]

idk, haven't played normal mode since the introduction of Hell mode

oh there's a better ending message if nothing else

Hell mode just enforces minimum 5 heat which you can totally do on normal mode I think

and you can't use God mode

I think that's pretty much it

[knotty vigil]

i assume you unlock the heat thing after beating the game when playing in normal mode?

[glossy plaza]

can't really tell if there's any difference cause I didn't touch my normal save file which was last ran in Feb b4 I stopped playing till 2 weeks ago

yes, Pact of Punishment is unlocked when you beat the game the 1st time

[burnt rune]

Wowa, Hermes has priority over keepsakes? Equipped Dio's for Asphodel, Hermes showed up and commented Dio couldn't get there before him even if I was waiting for him

[floral scarab]

Lol, Give Dio a break, he was waking up with a hangover

[glossy plaza]

Hermes has prio actually, it's nothing too new, besides his boons are the best anyways xD

[fathom crescent]

Hermes boons doesn't count as a "god boon" it's more like a Dedalus Hammer

[vivid thunder]

So its been aqhile since i played this... but what happened to the blade special nerf? Its previous animation was the best for the sword

[fathom crescent]

and this since Hermès's is in the game

[vivid thunder]

Wouldve preferred if it was a nerf in damage instead

[fathom crescent]

New one is more quick and less clunky I think

[glossy plaza]

I don't play sword, too weak

[fathom crescent]

Old one had a good vibe of power but new one isn't bad either

[burnt rune]

Can I request a Daedalus reroll item
2 hammers with 3 attack focused upgrades on a special build is not fun

[glossy plaza]

I actually just don't, I beat the game once with it and never touch it again

[vivid thunder]

The new one takes a while to deal damage vs the old one damaging instantly

[glossy plaza]

Daedalus is a big problem ye xD

[vivid thunder]

I like the sword

[glossy plaza]

I build my boons around the Daedalus upgrade, not the other way around

[fathom crescent]

if i remember correctly the new sword's special is more fitting with the actual i-frame (no instant damage and then 0,5s root while vulnerable). The sword flaw is that it's a close range weapon (so high risk) without the Bull Rush safety on the shield (and less attack speed than shield + less range on special +...). I'll just say that shield is often considered one of the best weapon (not my favorite by far tbh) and often outshine sword.

[glossy plaza]

I hate shield personally ngl

can't never get used to the Bull Rush

same with Spin on Spear

[turbid needle]

i just don't use the spin

never seems worth it to stand still for two seconds

[glossy plaza]

Sword isn't even high reward, you fail to make up anything even with Deadalus upgrades imo

spear flurry jab actually do well cause you can dash around at a reasonable distance and in range to do damage still

[turbid needle]

yep

didn't enjoy flurry on coro though

not having shot indicators really messed with me

[glossy plaza]

same with Shield, maybe it's just me playing on high Heat so every hits hurt

[cosmic shadow]

Does the game save your progress if you quit mid-run

or do you have to restart

[turbid needle]

depends

[glossy plaza]

especially on Elysium, blocking a 60 degree cone isn't gonna block a lot

[cosmic shadow]

assuming I just beat the hydra

[turbid needle]

then normally yeah

[cosmic shadow]

Having Artemis' arrows on the rail is kind of crazy

[glossy plaza]

if it says "Quit" then it will save, if it says "Give Up" then uhh, it will throw you back to Hades' house?

[burnt rune]

yeah, spear spin seems pretty useless

[teal wren]

you can dash while spin, that makes it a bit less useless

while spinning*

it's still a risk but less of one

tho nowhere in-game it points to that being a thing

[turbid needle]

that's what skelly's for tho

[turbid needle]

Is there any way to reset a room for a different seed? If I quit/give up it loads the same room. I don’t enjoy killing myself as it takes like 2 minutes

[teal wren]

If I turn god mode off and back on do the damage reduction resets to 20%?

[burnt rune]

dash spin still feels useless since the movement is too small and the charge time too big
in the end it's just too unsafe to use for almost no reward IMO

mean while dash charging with the bow changes its approach a lot (and makes normal attack charging its worst option)

[teal wren]

Doesnt dash charging the bow sognificantly lowers your damage?

[terse tiger]

Im not sure how much it is, but yes it is lower than a normal charged attack.

[wind vale]

but then its the only weapon where i would want to use artemis dash boon - that should compensate it more than enough

[harsh thistle]

How so? I like the Artemis dash a lot, especially coupled with chaos dash upgrade

If you get those with the Deadalus charge on shield it's insane :D

Got the combo once with Poseidon's attack and all the knockback boons, it was just ridiculous

[teal wren]

Artemis' dash with swords Double dash attack upgrade is 👌

Too bad you're still melee tho

[wind vale]

right - i definitely forgot one - shotgun

but thats it - for both of yours i would always want athena still

[burnt rune]

ok so Scintillating Feast + Burst Shot on Hera Bow is hilarious

[turbid needle]

how do cast upgrades interact with hera's bow?

specifically ares'

[burnt rune]

also the RNG keeps throwing me poms instead of boons so my tipsy shot is doing almost 300 damage

haven't tried it with ares yet!

[turbid needle]

i'm at 504 crits in tartarus

seemsgood

on a normal power shot

[burnt rune]

what the hera bow tool tip doesn't tell you is that you can load ANY amount of casts into the arrow

[turbid needle]

yeah but the extra are launched far away right

[burnt rune]

so uh
296 damage x4 + scintillating feast bolts

[turbid needle]

jesus

[wind vale]

and increase that amount with artemis and chaos

[burnt rune]

oh yeah

[wind vale]

and burst shot

[burnt rune]

I have burst shot so it's 296x4 + (296x0,35)x4

lol

[turbid needle]

i'm just gonna grab urge, not a big believer in ares' blade rifts anyway

[wind vale]

and the fog is so thick again 😄

[burnt rune]

burst shot and hera is just perfect

[wind vale]

burst shot is so important for every cast build

[teal wren]

Blade rifts with artemis' duo is pretty good

[harsh thistle]

Blade rifts are probs my favourite build

[burnt rune]

elysium duo never died this fast lmao

lemme see how I will fare on the last stage

[turbid needle]

Damn I just did a full on Artemis only build

It wasn’t bad at all

[burnt rune]

Artemis is the best

ok, got Hermes legendary before the last boss, this is going to be great

[autumn bough]

What does Hermès legendary do?

[turbid needle]

There are two. One returns your Bloodstones as soon as they touch the ground, the other reduces enemy speed by 50% for one second if they're nearby whenever you dash.

[burnt rune]

yeah, I got the bloodstone return one

things died... pretty fast

[turbid needle]

does triple shot interact with hera's bow?

[turbid arch]

Anyone already beaten 32 heat thus far?

[turbid needle]

Haven't heard anyone who has.

[turbid arch]

I tried it and it felt superhard.

That 7 Minute Time Limit seems way too tough to beat

[tall crypt]

i've been trying it for some time

32 heat I mean

got to hydra at most

That 7 Minute Time Limit seems way too tough to beat
only on the first sight

and w/o much of other pacts it is kinda easy

[turbid arch]

32 Heat kinda makes leaving out other options a bit rough.....

[turbid needle]

I died to some Greatshields last time I tried 32 Heat.

I think that number is too high right now.

[turbid arch]

Was it lower before?

[turbid needle]

All the extra defense enemies get makes the timer super rough.

[tall crypt]

32 heat with 7 min limit doesn't seem actually possible though, I've got to admit

[turbid arch]

Ah.

Just checked the reddit

Someone has beaten it apparently

[tall crypt]

not surprising

it doesn't seem impossible, just requires a lot of luck and patience

[turbid needle]

You have a link to it?

[turbid arch]

One moment

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/ec27gk/they_told_me_that_i_need_to_do_a_32_heat_run_so_i/

[turbid needle]

I know that guy, and I'm not buying it until I see a video.

[glossy plaza]

wait I never noticed this b4 but Tis' fight has Meg doing a no indicator oneshot at the last phase?

[tall crypt]

who even shares that w/o including pact and stuff

[turbid arch]

Good point. Think he faked it to boast?

[storm vine]

Any known hades streamers?

[turbid arch]

I don't know, 32 heat seems impossible to me.

[glossy plaza]

it is doable, need a lot of luck tho

[tall crypt]

as I've said, it just requires luck

[turbid needle]

@storm vine Haelian is the only one I follow, he does speedruns.

[storm vine]

Thanks! And any build tips for the bow?

Im guessing high crit

[turbid needle]

I prefer Chiron Aspect with Deadly Flourish.

[storm vine]

Tbh I lost to hades in the final room with the bow because I went for the boons I didn't have

And I had some kind of dumb stuff when I could only knockback with the special, and It would hit like 25 x arrow

But when they got knockbacked they would get hit by 150, and then a wave could come and the enemies would start bouncing

really fun but not really useful haha

@turbid needle im gonna try it, thanks

[turbid arch]

Sounds like Poseidon, with the knockbacks.

What weapon would you even use for 32 heat?

Chiron Aspect?

[storm vine]

@turbid arch yes, it was poseidon with the knockbacks

[cosmic moon]

I have a question what would you guys say is the best boon combo?

[turbid needle]

Nah, Chiron is really bad at dealing with multiple enemies.

Hunting Blades, @cosmic moon

[tall crypt]

don't use bow, it is bad and boring

[turbid needle]

I'd use the shield with Heartbreak Strike and Blight Flourish.

[tall crypt]

my honest opinion

[turbid needle]

Use whatever weapon you want.