Artemis = Sisyphus
#h1-builds-and-combat
heavy solstice
eternal stag
remember no dio or hermes
eternal stag
yeah.....
grand patrol
yesss
median ridge
its such a good game
grand patrol
it is!!!!
heavy solstice
here’s to another good year 🍷
median ridge
remember when you COULDNT PET CERBERUS
grand patrol
DARK DAYS
heavy solstice
(drink blight wine and dies)
grand patrol
jdjfjg nooo
grand patrol
remember when nyx's keepsake did.....uh, something?
eternal stag
fgdjd
grand patrol
NO idea what it used to do tbh
eternal stag
something about passing through foes????
grand patrol
RIGHT IT WAS SO WEIRD
heavy solstice
eternal stag
tbh i like it right now
heavy solstice
mother Nyx unhood when 
eternal stag
remember when we thought we'd have to FIGHT cerberus
last nacelle
That reminds me, Passing Through from Hermes applies a status, right?
median ridge
remember when skelly’s trinket wasnt the strongest item in the game
eternal stag
@last nacelle i don't think it does, but it should
heavy solstice
Hermes not counting towards Privileged Status 
eternal stag
INCLUDING ME
proud storm
lots to unpack here https://i.imgur.com/Hcd6b7p.png
eternal stag
MAN....
median ridge
the lucky tooth used to give you like.....15 hp
proud storm
1*
grand patrol
wack
autumn tapir
yeah the 15 health was a buff lmao
robust garden
is lucky tooh a percentage now?
gray plover
to be fair it's nice to be able to read the list instead of scrolling through when you have loads
robust garden
cuz i still remember the 15 hp
heavy solstice
this is gold thanks @proud storm
median ridge
now a maxed out lucky tooth gives 150 hp
its basically equivalent to a death defiance
wind vale
normal dd also gave so much less
median ridge
which in the new DD economy is really good
eternal stag
which makes it kind of mandatory for styx tbh
autumn tapir
it's either lucky tooth or broken spearpoint for styx
eternal stag
it's all i run there now
median ridge
same
eternal stag
i used to be only broken spearpoint
proud storm
true artemis stans will remember https://i.imgur.com/LdDyolE.png
eternal stag
i've never played with max acorn, but that might be okay?
wind vale
i should remember it - if i dont want to use bracers and got holy shield already i usually default to the collar
median ridge
i used to religiously follow the “good luck i’m behind 7 death defiances” strat so lucky tooth is the closest i can get
eternal stag
THERE SHE IS...
autumn tapir
only real ogs remember when shield could deflect
heavy solstice
without the smile
autumn tapir
or mspaint ares
eternal stag
now i can fully appreciate new artemis portrait
grand patrol
median ridge
omg
heavy solstice
highly cursed
eternal stag
yeah it uh
proud storm
heavy solstice
no pun intended
eternal stag
wow i forgot how bad old ares looked
pseudo hare
xbox360 wired pad has been stopped when the mirror activated. Before rerun game, i can't play this game with my wired pad
last nacelle
Is Broken Spearpoint just because of poison and lasers in styx, or is there also another reason? Does Hades have a wombo combo that hits within the invuln timeframe?
grand patrol
remember life drinker
heavy solstice
opop
heavy solstice
I saw someone in feedback trying to get it back
eternal stag
life drinker was my Favorite
heavy solstice
oh nononono
last nacelle
Bracers used to be the meta for styx though, didn't they?
wind vale
original deadly reversal 😦
eternal stag
did they? i've literally never used bracers
proud storm
my first ever hades screenshot https://i.imgur.com/C8DGeTj.png
eternal stag
OH MANNN
last nacelle
🤢 📊
median ridge
the original sword hammer that gave you three seconds of 100% crit chance after specialing
gray plover
jeez
grand patrol
REMEMBER WHEN CHAOS DOORS DIDNT HAVE THEIR EYE
eternal stag
@proud storm what's the date on that one?
grand patrol
and then they were like i want to see youuu
heavy solstice
just a void
proud storm
fdhjg those were just holes
unkempt pagoda
remember when chaos didn't have chaos in them
grand patrol
chaos was taking a nap
unkempt pagoda
it was just gold
heavy solstice
remember when chaos have chaos in them
grand patrol
and then they were like hold up this guy is fun
eternal stag
oh wow
heavy solstice
actual chaos in the background waiting room
eternal stag
so like the O G
grand patrol
the old hp bar aaaaaaa
heavy solstice
that would be so cool
grand patrol
THE OLD ZAG MODEL
eternal stag
by the time i got here they had a red hp bar already
proud storm
REMEMBER THE OLD LOUNGE
heavy solstice
old lounge is so cursed
eternal stag
are we thinking of the same old lounge
proud storm
i dont think i do
eternal stag
like when did they change it
proud storm
at leasy not the entire lounge
unkempt pagoda
bring back life drinker
heavy solstice
when a bedroom is better then the lounge
unkempt pagoda
jk
proud storm
they first changed the lounge when they added the wretched broker
pastel jolt
ah, no :(
heavy solstice
@unkempt pagoda oh nonononono
pastel jolt
this is the closest i have to an old lounge cap
eternal stag
yeah.......it was cozy
grand patrol
OLD LOUNGE COZY,,,
pastel jolt
temp orpheus also!!!!
unkempt pagoda
all these voice lines i listened to back in december and now i don't remember any of them
grand patrol
remember when u could buy posters in the charon wells
turbid needle
just ugrade the lounges visuals for 1k gems 4head
heavy solstice
cost like 500 or something
eternal stag
i saved up like all my money for the achilles one
unkempt pagoda
remember when we thought 500 gold was really expensive
heavy solstice
using the wrong 4head 4Head
grand patrol
SAME
eternal stag
the styx shop: honey you've got another storm coming
heavy solstice
just get hypnos to sponsor my fan posters
grand patrol
jdjdjfkgjf
eternal stag
you can get the posters from the contractor now, right?
unkempt pagoda
1500 for titan's blood 👀
pastel jolt
Classic hypnos............... green boy
proud storm
grand patrol
oh that reminds me i should make a new hypnos emoji
unkempt pagoda
NO
grand patrol
hes outdated
eternal stag
......okay unpopular opinion. i liked old hyp art better
heavy solstice
I like blue hypnos TBH
pastel jolt
he is a comfy boy now!!!!
eternal stag
i liked the blue!!
median ridge
remember that brief glorious time of having three hammers
grand patrol
he is cozy!!!! but im flailing to relearn to draw him jcmcmv
heavy solstice
but I get it he’s not warm enough with that clothing
wind vale
it doesnt really matter how hypnos looks - more what he says
wind vale
always such great advice
pastel jolt
I Am Not Looking
unkempt pagoda
remember the one voice line we got between hypnos and thanatos
heavy solstice
getting stay warm during the job 😴
ohhhhhh
so unprofessional
old Than was like the cool kid
last nacelle
Why is hypnos the guy standing at the entrance to the underworld? Shouldn't he be closer to the surface?
unkempt pagoda
he's there to manage the dead peps
proud storm
when hydra was the final boss https://i.imgur.com/hBKiCAP.png
heavy solstice
contractor spoilers
eternal stag
old zag
heavy solstice
all those updates ago
pastel jolt
look at that boy with his chubby un-contoured cheekbones
unkempt pagoda
old contractor
pastel jolt
scribe shade you shall be missed 
eternal stag
last nacelle
When you want to go to bed after a run but Cerberus isn't there for pets until you do another run.
heavy solstice
eternal stag
godspeed
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texting while driving away from the underworld
robust garden
he hits for 50 at a time
last nacelle
Eat skulls for invulnerability. 
heavy solstice
remember when the final boss is actually a threat
grand patrol
hes still a threat hdjcncjc
heavy solstice
robust garden
the first one
heavy solstice
TBH I’m not a fan of games “dumbing down” over time, but I get it accessibility is really important for new players 
finite thunder
Wait I’ve got a question about the final boss
Can he still be hit while in his stealth thing?
heavy solstice
no I think
robust garden
no
wind vale
i think only during the end
heavy solstice
see if there are some good deals!
heavy solstice
robust garden
AH
heavy solstice
poor guy
heavy solstice
EZClap
robust garden
what's the max rerolls you can get
unkempt pagoda
10 i think
wind vale
10 from the mirrot but its so much darkness
unkempt pagoda
but the cost is extraordinary
heavy solstice
how does the mirror make Zag stronger? By making him look at himself and boost his confidence?
unkempt pagoda
working towards my 8th one, i need 30000 i think?
wind vale
also you can get the upgrade that gives one when picking up a key - so theoretically more
pastel jolt
it takes a total of 165,000 darkness to get all ten rerolls
turbid needle
final boss again, i am extremely dead, 216 hp to my name with 21% dr and a lot of damage but i don't know his patterns at all
heavy solstice
quick maths
wind vale
what are the gemstone prices now?
wind vale
so each 5k?
heavy solstice
the most expensive one is
wind vale
(it was 10k,6k,5k,4k)
heavy solstice
oh thanks!
wind vale
so probably halved - still a lot
heavy solstice
I swear if they make gemstones farming easier after I got all the items already
😡
granted now it also seems pretty grindy
turbid needle
died before phase 2, he hits like a truck
robust garden
can you go over 3 dd's
heavy solstice
with some gods’ help,you can!
heavy solstice
no more DD stacking
robust garden
sad
robust garden
i never get perfect shot anymore ..
teal wren
So woo I finally beat the game, now to do it with another weapon since shield is super op, no idea how to deal with the 2nd phase attacks without blocking tho
last nacelle
The way I have seen it done is just walk into the fight with 3 death defiance and just face tank everything.
heavy solstice
congrats!
teal wren
His adds on the first phase are also real tough
green aurora
there's a very small area with an indestructible wall to protect yourself from the lasers of the second phase
heavy solstice
have you tried like, moving out of the way? 💤
teal wren
It's the 360 degrees laser im worried but the wall should definitely help!
green aurora
it's on the left from the entrance. You can also bait the boss into trapping himself in there
heavy solstice
you can definitely thread the needle!
rocky mica
The problem is the lasers can 100 to 0 you without change of doing anything.
chance*
But chariots have that issue a bit aswell.
ps. can I buy the Sisyphus 10 diamond thingy and still have (the) conversations with him?
static skiff
Legit: Getting 10 diamonds is a pain in the ass
green aurora
I actually believed it was a once a day thing
like
you get one diamond per daily hydra slaying
rocky mica
I thought you'd get like more if you increased the heat but its just 1 time for any heat.
static skiff
I'd be nice if, for every 5 heat it would increase your chance of getting 1 additional boss resource once a run
median ridge
yup you can still talk to sisyphus after freeing him
rocky mica
Yea, not that much incentive to increase the heat. The extra 'dungeon's is nice ofc but the new heatchallenges are also relative more dangerious then before.
I can see people ignoring em for the most part.
I mostly do.,
Let alone the casual players. Which is fine in a way too but still.
static skiff
if you think about it, isn't side-story progression locked behind difficulty level, since diamonds are locked behind heat levels?
median ridge
you can also combine god mode with heat to be able to get resources
thats how ive been grinding for diamonds and ambrosia. theoretically its possible to get everything you need just from the broker but it takes a long time
median ridge
so i appreciate supergiant giving a way for all players to be able to unlock the high value resources
rocky mica
Not being able to buy anything would be my option. And only unlock via (more) heat.
But this does offer it to all yea.
Just got Vampy and I'm like yea... final boss stage 2.... lets use it!!! RRAAHHGGAHAHAGHH..... wait... not allowed? doo dooo dooooo.....
I want a refund!
static skiff
Tho imo nothing that costs diamond should cost more than 5, since pretty much all good house cosmetics and music cost diamonds.
rocky mica
cosmetic stuff costing diamonds is just not making me buy it
teal wren
Vampy?
rocky mica
You'll see. 🙂
ivory root
i just finished my 32 heat run earlier today, jesus... never again
grand patrol
😱
rocky mica
That 1 room def was too much.
ivory root
thank god for god roll athenas i got lmao and aegis carrying me 😂
rocky mica
Oh yea, gun + some zeus/ares and you would be screeeeewwweed
Aegis perm blocking is bordering on OP.
ivory root
i enjoy adamant rail up till like 15 heat
rocky mica
I dont even enjoy gun with 0 heat. 😄
ivory root
after 15 heat my go to s are bow, aegis and sword
rocky mica
Well gun and spear are both the ones with the worst special.
ivory root
im finding spear kinda underwhelming at this point, even with hades aspect athena dashing
rocky mica
and the aspects too now that I think about it.
ivory root
and achilles aspect on higher heats and asmodeus the heat area oh god why
rocky mica
the gun has 2 that are also too similar
ivory root
bow zagerus with the artemis attack is legit amazing all the crits
rocky mica
Just did the 3rd aspect a few days ago (full run), had 8 casts total
ivory root
i might give spear another go with zag aspect but ehhh
rocky mica
3+3+1+1, yea thats 8
ivory root
8 Casts PogChamp
rocky mica
easiest bossfight so far I think ;p
the spear special in itself isn't that great (small path, unlikely to hit on both directions) so the aspectsdon't become great either.
At least the 2nd aspect should change to attacks hit, not just first attacks
ivory root
idk maybe they need to rework it again? idk
im interested to see what the 6th weapon and the 4th aspects would be
rocky mica
And spin attack is not very usable in later area's
which makes using the 3rd aspect not great either
ivory root
maybe a Thanatos aspect for spear would be cool, spin on higher heat is suicide even with athena dash and attack
i think the best i got with spear is 12 heat?
woeful sage
@rocky mica Dashing out of charging the spin attack makes it far more viable. I didn't even think to try it until someone else mentioned it. I think it should be part of the listed instructions when you pick it up.
rocky mica
Charge and then dash and it keeps charging?
woeful sage
It releases the spin attack as you dash
rocky mica
But only if you reach the first spin I assume. Which is already dangerous enough in later areas
Just not worth it.
static skiff
I remember the only run I ever got 4 legendary boons on was with a the adamant.
artemis legendary, speed boi legendary, zeus and athena
how do you even get legendary boon before elysium?
ivory root
yeah you can dash at a partial or full charge, athena dash and attack +quicker spin sorta migitate some of the spin issues
gloomy scroll
I once got athena legendary before furies, most amazing feeling
eternal stag
her legendary is so finicky for me to get
only gotten it oncw
but yes it is amazing
static skiff
speed boi legendary is underappreciated. Especially if you are going for a casting run
leaden pine
does rupture stack like poison does?
static skiff
Athena cast + artemis extra shot whenever you shoot + artemis enemies drop cast quicker + cast comes back to you auto = ez win.
naive cobalt
@leaden pine I don't think it does
wicked warren
Random question, but how much do you guys enjoy Poseidon and Aphrodite's boons
I'm 15 hours in and those two are my least favorite, but considering the game feels pretty well balanced I'm probably just not using them well
rocky mica
Poseidon also not my favorite. Damage boost is minimal and relies on getting knockbacks which only really works well if you get + wall damage too.
Aprodite is mostly used for getting 2 debuffs (+damage). She got -15% damage resistance too if you get it.
static skiff
Poseidon's boons were my favourite when aegis was stronger back in the day, now I only like em cuz of the duo it has with zeus. Aphrodite's not to my liking either, she's too gimmicky and her charm is hard to use.
rocky mica
And standard debuff time is 3 sec? Just a bit too short to be usefull on its own.
But if you got poison on attack and weak on special it can work. But is that really good enough, maybe not. We'll see what happens.
Her cast can be really good though..
wicked warren
Gotta admit, her cast along with the ability to cast repeatedly and faster sounds fun
Aegis used to be stronger? Feels pretty powerful even right now, to me
rocky mica
Always found it weird that blocking can't 'break''.
error? ;o
Always found it weird that blocking can't "break".
wicked warren
How so?
rocky mica
Well its immortality basicly.
wicked warren
Ah I thought you meant couldn't break the projectiles
rocky mica
In some games you the shield breaks after X damage or time.
wicked warren
Yeah, it's a case of tiny shield being way too good, like in monster hunter world
rocky mica
There are ways you could change it, but its been this way for a while so I guess they'll keep it as it is?
Gun/spear are bigger problems for me. ;p
wicked warren
Is the spear considered to be one of the best weapons?
rocky mica
Dunno but for me its one of the worst.
wicked warren
Yeah, I read what you guys were talking about earlier
rocky mica
Bow is really nice with the aspects now. Different playstyles.
wicked warren
What aspects and builds do you prefer? Bow hasn't clicked with me at all so far
rocky mica
Gun is okish but special is kinda meh and the aspects are boring and a bit weird.
Sword 2 and 3 are good.
1 is like movespeed... meh.
spear, dont like spear in general, aspects are also not great. 1 requires the special, which isn't great, 2. is onyl 2 attacks and any attacks even if they miss, 3rd requires spin attack, so meh.
shield 1st is well its damage reduction so not very special but its damage reductionn so thats never bad, 2nd one can be ok, need a few levels and some boons, 3rd one not so great, small range, lots of mobile enemies later
bow, all are great
unreal bluff
Does ambrosia do anything? Or I can safely trade it away?
vapid spoke
Ambrosia is for some special keepsakes
rocky mica
it does do something, see keepsake closet in bottom
you'll prob not have use for it for a while if you just started playing
unreal bluff
Just unlocked punishment pacts
rocky mica
gun, more ammo is nice. not special but ok. I assume it sucks when you get infinite reload though, 2nd requires to fire special first and is just more damage. 3rd, more damage but only first shot
2nd and 3rd bit too similar in style too. they should prob change 1 to do something else.
I really hope they change the reload to a Gears of War style.
That would open up more possiblities for aspect too. Extra bonus on perfect reload or so,.
hollow tide
How do you unlock weapon aspects?
rocky mica
You need that stuff from the icon on the right.
Play the game, defeat bosses.
With diffrent weapons, heat.
Or get it by completing the lists from the desk in your room or buy from shop.
last ones not the quickest or cheapest/best option
hollow tide
Thanks
rocky mica
Remember, you can unlock one, test it on skelly and if need be exit before it has saved.
I did that after unlocking shield 3rd aspect in beginning. brrrr ;p
crimson sundial
The Duo boon, "Curse of Longing: Your Doom effects continuously strike Weak foes," what does this do? cause it doesn't seem to do anything. I also have +3 Impending Doom to make Doom last longer if that also delays the Curse.
mild crag
If you hit doom on a weak foe (weak from one of aphrodite's effects) it'll get struck again by doom for 25% of doom's original damage after the first one
turbid needle
Slightly more than that, Doom will keep hitting, doing a quarter of the damage of its last hit, as long as the enemy is Weak.
Also: Rail and shield are the two strongest weapons, followed by sword, then bow and spear.
Rail has the best damage in the game of any weapon (Low Tolerance Dio/Aphro builds, or pure Zeus), shield gives you ludicrous amounts of invincibility and has good damage.
Sword is powerful, but extremely unsafe, especially after the Double Nova nerf.
Bow and Spear both require super kitted out builds in order to play with the big boys, but every weapon is viable.
unreal bluff
Bow fitted with crit attack and doom special is amazing
static skiff
all bow aspects are pretty amazing honestly
mystic hawk
Do I need to do 1 heat at a time to get bounties? I wanna make sure I get all the resources but I don't know how I should go about that. I hope I can do as much heat as I want and not worry about skipping anything
unkempt pagoda
you can add on more heat, but you only get bounties 1 heat level at a time
so if you add 3 heat, you'd have to go through all the bounties for 1 heat, then again for 2 heat, then again for 3 heat
(as in, winning all the boss fights individually for each bounty)
queen prawn
if you got the bounty for a particular weapon and heat level you only get darkness on repeat fights right?
unkempt pagoda
yes
mystic hawk
Thanks
agile ivy
Anyone knows where i can search all the gifts of the friends? I'm literally missing just one and i dunno who is missing lol
cosmic shadow
Just started the game yesterday, what are you supposed to do with titan blood? The text said Achilles would know what to do with it but he's not saying anything about it
agile ivy
Titan blood is for upgrafe weapons, but firsy you must have unlocked all weapons
cosmic shadow
Ah, I haven't unlocked the gun yet so that checks out
agile ivy
Then after you select it you can use r1 again (sorry, i use control for this) to upgrade it
Yeah, I'm now like thinking into farming titan blood or first find the las person tjat i need haha
turbid needle
@iron perch Theseus doesn't invoke gods you've picked up during a run.
loud meadow
Anyone able to tell me what the Heart Icon that has a Clock inside of it means? On the Codex page for Olympians, once you have enough hearts to get it etc?
turbid needle
That content will come in a future update.
loud meadow
Ah, cheers!
turbid needle
Okay, preeetty sure Heart Rend is a 50% damage bonus that is applied after critical damage.
Critting for 327 on Deadly Flourish, it's jumping to 491 when they're Weak.
leaden pine
oh darn I thought it meant I hadn't hit the unlock in the game yet
I gave Hades a nectar and all he did was sneer at me
blazing mulch
yeach , he is just a daddy haha
tawny ivy
@agile ivy check your codex, there should be a gift icon (a lil bow) on the first heart for every giftable NPC. or maybe you haven't met them yet?
leaden pine
does the Aphrodite / Ares duo ability Hunting Blades synergize with Artemis's Burst Shot and make another spinning blade rift or does the burst shot just shoot a normal projectile
turbid needle
It's a Duo between Artemis and Ares, and yes.
leaden pine
oh sweet
turbid needle
Yeah, it's pretty nutty.
Just had two runs in a row with Hunting Blades, and the second one had Burst Shot.
teal wren
Speaking of which, does burst shot works with Hera aspect?
teal wren
That sounds amazing
neon ridge
when does the olympian boon take effect? it seems like certain rewards in the run are predetermined, and only some are affected by the olympian boon, but i can't find any relevant info in the wiki.
atomic panther
What do you mean by olympian boon? Do you mean the keepsake?
neon ridge
oh yeah keepsake i meant
blazing mulch
These just increase rarity and chance for initial boon for an God.
It's not 100% that first boon will be the God you choose keepsake
atomic panther
Yes it is
blazing mulch
Nope
turbid needle
It's not in practice.
atomic panther
How is it not?
turbid needle
Hermes and Hammers can beat it out.
blazing mulch
You can still hit Skelly to get hammer
atomic panther
Hammers aren't a boon
turbid needle
In the same pool.
atomic panther
And Hermes isn't in the same category as the other Olympians, since his boons function differently
turbid needle
He acknowledges that you have an Olympian's Keepsake and that he's breaking the "spawn first" bit.
atomic panther
I didn't know that, that's really cute!
neon ridge
when does the olympian keepsake effect kick in for the biomes after the first?
atomic panther
But the reason he's breaking that rule is because he isn't counted among the other Olympians
autumn bough
Hermes is just too fast for you
atomic panther
The first time you get offered a traditional Olympian boon (sorry Hermes) that isn't in a duo-God room
This can be anywhere in the biome, depending on your luck
turbid needle
@neon ridge Not sure when the spawning mechanic works, but as long as you have the keepsake equipped you'll have increased rarity on any of that god's boons.
atomic panther
Rooms with two Gods in them break this rule because they're always two Gods that you've gotten boons from
neon ridge
right, cuz i was more confused by the spawning mechanic than the rarity
autumn bough
Is it just me, or does the shield lose all its knockback if you das?
neon ridge
i have been offered others gods on the first room even when i have a certain god's keepsake equipped
atomic panther
Shield's dash attack has no knockback
neon ridge
and from anecdotal evidence, the keepsake kicks in every time it's the next room after a shop before a "mini boss"
was hoping people had substantial evidence for the whole spawning thing
atomic panther
If you come across it not working properly, report it using 
, since afaik aside from Hermes and god-trial rooms it shouldn't be doing that
autumn bough
Also, Poseidon's attack-boon is tons of fun with the shield
teal wren
Is hitting skelly for a hammer a thing?
neon ridge
got it, will experiment a bit a little more
also, does the keepsake effect occurs only once every run?
atomic panther
Yes
neon ridge
meaning, i can't use athena's keepsake for 3 biomes
atomic panther
Only once per keepsake
atomic panther
Happy to help!
neon ridge
had the idea that it resets after every boss 😂
atomic panther
If only
autumn bough
You still get the increased chance for a rare, but you can tell the other effect isn't active because it doesn't have a duration counter.
jovial perch
Can anyone explain to me why it is a Daedalus Hammer and not a Hephaestus Hammer
blazing mulch
Because he is not in game yet as olympian
atomic panther
Because it doesn't function like an Olympian boon
And what reason would Hephaestus have to be in the underworld?
jovial perch
but you could do the same for apollo
atomic panther
||Sidenote: I cannot WAIT for Apollo to be in the game so we can get that juicy sibling interaction with him and Artemis 👀||
jovial perch
plus what does being in the underworld have to do with getting a blessing
atomic panther
Why else would Hephaestus's hammers be there?
There's already an in-game reason for Daedalus (and his hammers) to be in the underworld
jovial perch
the could make it a setup similar to the other gods just his blessings affect the weapon more than Zagreus's abilities
atomic panther
That's completely different from how boons work, though
jovial perch
But we are talking about the god of the forge
atomic panther
They pulled it off with Hermes because he still offers rarities and a legendary boon
jovial perch
It works with what he is the god of
atomic panther
It works flavorfully in theory, but logistically I don't think the mechanical dissonance between Hephaestus and the other Olympians would be worth it
blazing mulch
Is he God of forge? He just doing weapons and not only weapons and when he does it the vulcans erupt. That's why he is God of fire.
atomic panther
Hephaestus is the god of the forge, yes
jovial perch
A lot of gods have a few domains
atomic panther
He is closely associated with fire since that's 50% of how forges work
blazing mulch
I mean it how geeks call him because he does weapons for them
But in reality he is God of fire
jovial perch
He is both
Artemis is the goddess of the Moon, Hunting, and Archery
Apollo is the god of the Sun, Medicine, Prophecy, and Archery
atomic panther
Apollo 🤝 Artemis
Being the god of archery
jovial perch
The fact that Hepheastus is the god of fire and Apollo is the god of the sun I feel they would overlap too much if you add both
autumn bough
I just want to see Hestia. 100% because of that gun she somehow made.
Light != Fire, at least not necessarily
atomic panther
Yeah, I think there's plenty of room to work with between those two
jovial perch
I think there will be unique aspects of them but I still believe there would be a lot of overlap in some of the other aspects
autumn bough
It would be neat if we got Heracles as an Elysium alt boss
If you take a weapon upgrade that nullifies the knockback, does Poseidon adding knockback still do anything?
atomic panther
Yes
hoary trail
just finished the current build for the first time
felt like I ran a mile each fight leading up to it
civic barn
anyone have a list of how hera's aspect coronact interacts with all the different casts?
somewhat of a sidetrack, but i tried it with scattershot and i really want to suggest that they change it to an aoe around the target hit, but i can't post it feedback for some reason
autumn bough
The wiki says you can get three hammers, but also that you can only get one in tartarus/asphodel and one in elysium. So what is it, two hammers or three?
atomic panther
Two. The wiki is outdated
quaint plume
Maybe Hades does have a system like this and I just haven't seen it yet, but wouldn't it be cool if after you beat the game, maybe a few times, maybe through pact of punishment or I don't know, but wouldn't it be cool if enemy encounters got remixed at some point? So the whole playthrough through the game changes. Like in Binding of Isaac where the game becomes harder after you beat certain bosses and lategame enemies appear in earlier areas and such.
Hades doesn't REALLY need that, I just love when in rogue-lites you beat the game and the whole game changes as a response. Binding of Isaac also unlocks a new final boss after you beat the final boss one or three times or so (This could still be a thing for 1.0). Maybe in some way instead of luring Cerberus away, he becomes a boss fight or something. I'm talking purely gameplay related here, how all of that would fit into the story the developers can think of that.
Maybe the game has already went too much in one direction where this isn't possible anymore (as I said, no big deal).
Devil May Cry and Bayonetta also unlocked game modes where the entire playthrough is remixed. I just love that kind of stuff.
terse nimbus
@quaint plume Yeah there's a thing that does something similar to this after you beat the last boss the first time. But you gotta actively opt into it, which is nice, because not everyone wants to increase the difficulty as they play.
terse nimbus
Yeah. One of the things on the Pact changes up the boss fights. Another one changes up the miniboss fights.
I mean, it's not like the whole game completely changes...but there are options to make it different.
iron shale
what are your guys favorite weapon aspects =?
frosty pier
Hades's Zeus's and Hestia.
placid plinth
Poseidon, Eris and Hera
terse nimbus
The bow one that loads bloodstones is great.
iron shale
@placid plinth do you play eris with controller ?
@frosty pier the hestia bonus goes away if you get infintie amo right ?
placid plinth
Nope, KBM
quaint plume
@terse nimbus ah I see, I was talking about the normal fights too, but thats a start. I must have missed those
frosty pier
Ehm, brainfart. You just dont take something that breaks your aspect. Hades's aspect can be also borked.
paper juniper
if you're doing a first run through with a certain weapon and turn the heat high enough to enable bounties, should you only get 1 drop from bosses? should it consume the bounty and the first kill with that weapon drop? i've done a first run through with the sword after unlocking pacts and turned up the heat, but only got 1 drop from the bosses
static skiff
@blazing mulch u mentioned hitting skelly before starting a run makes so that you get a hammer as initial upgrade?
marsh wedge
Quick thanks to the devs for implementing aspects. They real fun!!! Builds be great too!
cosmic shadow
I thought I'd be a good son and gave nectar to Hades but didn't even get a keepsake
thanks dad
static skiff
ok. Taking 60% of my hp bar in damage from an arrow trap in elysium with the pact of punishment, just doesn't feel good.
frosty pier
Yeah, but it's soo free.
Untill the sawblade cuts you in half
Or the Jar-of-go-home-Zag in the final phase.
static skiff
That's a great name for those jars
wind mauve
Hey, does anyone know if Impending Doom (boon from Ares) is working properly? I've been applying Doom with the shield's special attack and I see only one instance of doom damage being done.
(Impending Doom: Your Doom effects deal more damage (+60%) after +0.5sec)
full talon
I can only see the doom effect, I surely didn't see any effect 0.5 seconds after that
Maybe my eyes deceived me or maybe the effects are too small to see
Anyway I really enjoy the first 6 hours playing this game! I had trouble defeating the 2nd and 3rd boss though... Their health are really beefy in my opinion. Any tips?
static skiff
It seems that, when you have the shotgun daedelus hammer upgrade, together with the hestia aspect (and maybe the zeus lighting shot boon) The weapon randomly shoots one more attack than it should.
Also like, shotgun daedelus upgrade does not affect hestia's empowered shot.
aaaand
wind vale
impending doom increases the damage of doom but makes it take longer to trigger - so for example 160 damage after 1.6 seconds instead of 100 after 1.1
static skiff
A chariot just somehow hit me through one of the tables in elysium
wind vale
as for hestia rail - the strong shot you get is not modified but it was the very first patch it was introduced but was really overpowered(each shot was as strong as the hestia one)
ofc was fixed quickly
but i like the version it is now - so i got an option to stay at range when playing shotgun
wind mauve
@wind vale oooh i see. huh, didn't interpret the text that way, don't know if it's clear to everyone else. anyway, thanks!
wind vale
yea i agree its not really clear
blazing mulch
Axel22, take keepsake, hit Skelly once and enter run. There is a big big chance you will get hammer as first. It's because any game uses something as rng base. In Hades it's kinda funny mechanic. Most of games uses current time, or something. Because remember that computers can not rly randomize numbers they need an number to base on
wind vale
that may have an effect on when the seed is created but it not every time
the first thing you see when you jump into a run is always the same after a seed is created, not sure when that happens, and you can chose to give up and will get the same thing again, no matter what you do
blazing mulch
Yes
wind vale
the enemies (and gold urns and stuff) can be different tho
blazing mulch
Boons and upgrades have rly poor random mechanic in Hades. Hope it to make the early access easier. So when we send f10 with save file devs can repeat what we do
wind vale
but now i kinda want to know - when is a seed really created
neat kite
so can someone explain to me how to get the "useless trinket" fate?
because i'm not getting it
wind vale
what do you mean?
wind vale
oh
frosty pier
Oh unlock skelly statues
wind vale
do you have the pact of punishment unlocked?
frosty pier
Ya need heat
wind vale
oh ok - once you beat the game the first time
neat kite
no i mean the skelly statue
blazing mulch
Let him explain haha 😂
neat kite
wind vale
after you beat the game at least once you get a list of options called pact of punishment whenever you enter a new run and can pick some to make it harder
in the room with skelly there will be 3 statues covered up(i think after the first win, maybe before)
you then need to beat a run with enough options of that enabled to unlock the first statue
neat kite
oh
wow
i didn't even see these things
huh
cuz i beat the game like 20 times already https://i.imgur.com/H6Bjdwg.jpg
and i was thinking where the hell that was
you know there should be some indication that 3 colored drapes to the side can be interacted with
that is really not obvious
wind vale
i think skelly says something about that at some point - but its probably easy to miss it
neat kite
hmm not for me at least
i have him at max bond and listened to him every time
so it's either a line that has a random chance to appear or there is none
man i would never figure this out
wind vale
i think its similar to him saying something when the rail gets delivered - not really a conversation but he just says something about it
thats why it may be easy to miss - or it just didnt happen for whatever reason
neat kite
yeah i think that needs to be more clear definitely
because sometimes his subs don't even show up and glitch out
so if you weren't listening for that one second randomly hoo boy
blazing mulch
Well I had the statue unlocked, after patch the all statues disappeared and shows again after I beat the game again
What's your status for relationship with Skelly?
rocky mica
My relationship status = !@#$%^ up.
chrome viper
If Im cursed by Chaos and enter Erebus, do I lose the challenge if I take damage because of the curse?
blazing mulch
I think yes
light lynx
Hey hey hey you sexy devils
frosty pier
That entire message autocorrected in my mind to Hey Hey people is sse...what a minute, that's not it at all
chrome viper
oh that explains a lot
light lynx
chrome viper
Chaos: I'm about to end this man's whole career
elfin wagon
I just had a very satisfying run with Ares & Artemis. 12 Blade Rifts homing in on enemies with Vicious Cycle and Hermes's Cast Speed
frosty pier
The Ares Exodia build. Classic.
viral valve
soooo... what are these http://prntscr.com/qbkjsl for? the description says weapons upgrades. am I missing something or is it unlocked later (if It is I dont need to know aynthing but that ^^ Supergigant's games is the one thing were I avoid outside info^^)
terse nimbus
Unlocked later
frosty pier
Try unlocking all weapons.
viral valve
ty 3>
rocky mica
Bow, 2nd aspect, + special shots (OP!), zeus special, lighting strikes twice %. So far so good.
cosmic shadow
By the way how do calls work, are they usable once per room or something of the sort?
rocky mica
The bar resets every room.
cosmic shadow
ah gotcha, so there's no point trying to conserve it
rocky mica
So if you got 1 enemy left and 1 bar remaining, use it
autumn bough
I hate how unlocking aspects uses such a scarce resource. I unlocked my 3-5 already, and I’m stuck staring at alternate weapons whose gimmicks might be fun, but that I can’t access.
rocky mica
And sometimes its better to use them seperately aswell. e.g. hydra going immortal or needing to summon heads.
instead of 1 long period where you waste half
@autumn bough each weapon without heat and with heat gives a blood aswell
autumn bough
Sure, but that’s post winning
rocky mica
Yea I guess new(er) players are a bit screwed. ;p
autumn bough
Though speaking of winning, what’s the debuff Hades hits you with? The text pop up was over too fast to even see what it was called.
autumn bough
I guess I’m turquoise now. That’s his attack.
Do people find the spear useful? Because I can’t figure out why I’d use it over anything else.
rocky mica
Nope. My choice for worst weapon by far. Bad special, horrible charge/spin, bad aspects because of that too.
The exploding special can be nice but that requires finding hammers and getting that upgrade.
mild crag
Boiling Blood is the debuff
Makes you take additional damage
Just like your cast does to enemies if you have the mirror upgrade
Spear is definitely not the best right now but I love the dash attack
crimson yoke
I like the exploding special aswell
rocky mica
Well its hard not to like, it makes is actually better. :d
crimson yoke
Got it with a DoT boon and works nicely for packs
rocky mica
it*
mild crag
Best spear upgrade by far is quick charge spin
rocky mica
Spinning is almost always not worth the time and in a lot of cases too much of a risk anyway.
mild crag
It is if you have quick charge
mild crag
I disagree, hits a large area for considerable damage
crimson yoke
You can use it when packs are spawning in aswell
makes it 100% safe
and dmg efficient
rocky mica
Yea the only real save use.
If I wanted to hit em up close I'd get the sword/shield instead.
mild crag
Stygius is definitely the best weapon to all in melee on
rocky mica
Most enemies later are just too mobile and damaging quickly.
The few situations where it can work (well) are often jsut as easy doable with other weapons.
rocky mica
The only one that is somewhat usable, sometimes.
First one is just dreadfull cause the special is bad. And the 2nd one... meh. 2 attacks only and including missed attacks.
rocky mica
if that were 3 attacks THAT hit I would find it 10 times as good already
crimson yoke
My fav is the bow
Charging it up with cast is alot of fun
The explosions you get with 3+ cast and a well timed shot are wonderfull
rocky mica
I dislike the rail aspects. 1 is more damage for shooting, by using special and the other is also more damage for shooting, but then only first shot.
crimson yoke
Modded cast ofcourse
rocky mica
and infinite ammo makes the first one look silly. 😄
mild crag
I like the first shot buff one
rocky mica
Bow aspects are amazing though.
mild crag
It's insane
rocky mica
Wish at least the 2nd aspect was a bit more unique.
now 2nd and 3rd are just 'more damage'.
for standard shooting
rocky mica
Yea but creating the incentive to just reload the entire time isn't the greeatest idea either I'd say./
Create a Gears of War reload style for the weapon and make an aspect give you a (big) bonus for perfect reload.
That would be more fun and unique.
crimson yoke
That would be quite nice actually
rocky mica
Entire clip bonus damage or so.
mild crag
It's already a big bonus
crimson yoke
Other games like Enter the gungeon have that style aswell
WIth the Rad gun you get multipliers for each perfect reload in a row
rocky mica
But just 1 shot, which makes you reload the entire game. Not something that is desirable in my eyes.
crimson yoke
Then the bonus disappears as soon as you mess up
rocky mica
Cause the idea is to use the entire clip. Counter intuinative.
might aswell make it 1 shot only with a faster reload by default ;p
mild crag
It actually used to be a hammer upgrade and it was like that
Was super upset they removed it til I found out about the aspect lol
It just gives you more options
If you hit that poseiden Zeus duo on attack you're gonna wanna go full auto
Or poison stacking
I appreciate the option
Reloading for each shot is just habit for me now anyways
rocky mica
The idea yea, the aspects themselves no. ;p
Bow is great, 3 very diffrent ones, playstyles etc.
The gun all 3 fall in the same boat.
But they are new.
I'm sure gun, 3rd one from shield, and spear might see some changes.
mild crag
I feel like one shot reload falls into the same category of new gameplay like one shot from your bow and spam special
rocky mica
Well its not 1 shot reload perse, its first shot of clip. You make it 1 shot reload.
I just don't like that idea.
(see above ;p)
mild crag
I guess that's fair if it's just a playstyle preference
rocky mica
More game style then play style.
mild crag
I just don't see anything objectively wrong with it like I do with like
Achilles spear
rocky mica
I'm fine with you wanting to reload. You should.
It just makes the idea of having a full clip a bit meaningless.
crimson yoke
Shoot, special, reload, shoot , reload, special rinse and repeat would be optimal dmg in that case I guess
rocky mica
If all you WANT to do (cause its the best option) is reload.
Special is not even worth it to do then I assume.
mild crag
Special first while they're spawning
crimson yoke
You do wan't to use the special
in the downtime of reloading
because one does not interrupt the other
mild crag
Optimal damage also has cast for boiling blood
rocky mica
More trouble then use in later areas. ;p
mild crag
Later you use special to apply a debuff
crimson yoke
Cast should only be used on targets that don't die fast imo, otherwise not worth the time / risk
mild crag
Weak or doom is good
crimson yoke
Poison is great aswell
mild crag
Not on special
mild crag
Poison lasts like no time at all unless you stack it
You can't fire another special before it expires
Poison sucks on special
mild crag
Weak is the longest lasting debuff
rocky mica
Special is just a bit quirky to use, thats a shame. I like it and dislike it.
mild crag
It's real nice if you can get inescapable blast
crimson yoke
Rocket upgrade is alot of fun aswell
mild crag
Especially for the various chariots in elysium
rocky mica
Yea, it makes it more reliable so thats always good.
Big difference in buffpowers yea.
mild crag
Rail has really nice hammer upgrades all around
cosmic shadow
Oh jeez I got to the Hydra for the first time
that was rough
the last phase broke me
glossy plaza
I don't really hate the Hydra until the lava starts burning me for 54 damage in less than a second
rocky mica
Hydra is very doable in most cases but you gotta get used to the attacks, heads etc. Don't worry.
glossy plaza
and the main head is determined to knock me back into the lava when I hit it
rocky mica
Prob the easiest boss in terms of stuff happening/planning for it
glossy plaza
tell that to the Pact upgraded room
regal nimbus
Any tips for builds on Shield Zeus aspect?
rocky mica
Don't use it. ;p
regal nimbus
Tried with crit special, worked amazing in act 1 but fell off later on
was thinking maybe poison on the special
rocky mica
Not a fan of that one.
glossy plaza
shield can't really do melee imo, it's too risky
blazing mulch
Hydra is easy till you take extreme measures xd 😂
glossy plaza
even with Extreme Measures, it isn't that hard
crimson yoke
I am using Zeus aspect for the first time, Using it with a boon that has lighting strike on special
Now I just have it follow me round murdering the entire room
blazing mulch
Well if you play a lot then non of bosses are hard
glossy plaza
I play a lot but the Hydra is still hard
blazing mulch
I am not an pro player. Having 170 runs with around 30-40 finishes with success
glossy plaza
I just recently came back, only on 50 runs with 40 wins on hell mode 25 on Spears, 15 on Shield
glossy plaza
idek how many runs I did back when it was 2 biomes
tawny quest
finished hades off taking no damage
he actually cant hit you
tho the setup was kinda jank
glossy plaza
Spear build to me it's just Pepega throw at walls or dash around Hades
if I just Pepega throw spear at wall then consistently no damage Hades, only long and annoying
dashing is more fun but I tend to just hold down M1
at that time the run becomes if I have more than 2 dashes, I'll win, if I don't, I die 80% of the time
the times that I do win with just 2 dashes stabby build, it's just me getting lucky with crits
tawny quest
i did flurry attack with zeus
and added athena stuff till i stumbled on her legendary
add eurydice keepsake at max level (i still had two of those hits at the end)
plus ares zeus duo
and you god a unkillable zagreus
unhittable^
glossy plaza
I don't use Eurydice's keepsake anymore actually
Thanatos' keepsake always
unless I need to snipe a particular boon that is essential to my build
grand patrol
i love the butterfly except for when, ironically, i want to see than
glossy plaza
Than is a bro, I love him ||gachiBASS||
I do hope Lava get nerfed soon, it's way too punishing for Hydra fight, I have to avoid Heightened Security when I do Extreme Measures which is really annoying
grand patrol
im workinh on getting to 2 for shield n sword !! 😤 just need to clear the final boss with 2 hhhh
tawny quest
30 
glossy plaza
wait, so what am I supposed to do with all this "Darkness" that has piled up?
glossy plaza
that's the Abyss, not Darkness
terse tiger
@glossy plaza keep buying rerolls
tawny quest
@terse tiger does the cost keep going up for rerolls?
terse tiger
yea they get really expensive. I have 8 right now, the 9th one costs 40K
glossy plaza
I actually don't know xD
I'm on Hell mode so I'm locked on 2.5k Darkness or less
I normally run on 1.5k Darkness on Spear
terse tiger
hell mode locks the amount of darkness you can have?
glossy plaza
and I never spent my keys on something so useless
yes, it locks down to 2.5k darkness or less
tawny quest
i should start hell mode soon
but i wanna get everything on normal first
so just grinding the hell out of pact of punishment
novel vessel
how to aquire special keepsakes? i have maxed out Than but there is no option to gift ambrosia
rocky mica
There are only a few so maxing out 1 person doesn't mean you get something.
novel vessel
there is 3 than meg skelly no?
neat kite
4 total so far
i think they all have a quest tied to them too
so just maxing it out isn't enough
you need to do something else after that
karmic coyote
how can one unlock the hidden aspects?
gloomy scroll
Hidden aspects are not finished yet! There are two non-Zag aspects currently available for each weapon, but the final ones are coming in the future
karmic coyote
Oh i see, thanks for the input
cosmic shadow
yay beat the Hydra by being an absolute coward with the zeus shield
high crow
just lost to the final boss because it went invincible the second i used my call -.-
finite grail
Yeah :( I pretty much always wait until right after an invincible phase now because of the same reason
sand sandal
i just got hades a few days ago and have been loving the hell out of it but i have a question i couldn't find online xp, I've done a ton of Dionysus's hearts but the next one has a clock symbol on it and i can't give him more god juice, is there something i need to do or does that just mean it's not in the game yet?
glossy plaza
not in the game yet
glossy plaza
Is Thanatos' keepsake not active in the Temple of Styx intended or not?
inner heath
iirc it is active in the Temple of Styx, but only for the final rooms (the ones that give you the boon). I know I've gotten it in those rooms. I think you can take damage in the previous rooms too, as long as you don't in the final room, but I'm unsure about that. And obviously, you need the encounter. The one with the fountain path doesn't give one at all
And I'm fairly positive it being inactive in the pathway rooms is intended, because a lot of those are easy to finish super quickly. That'd be busted, especially on the lambent
hollow tide
What is the fastest way to get nectar?
glossy plaza
have you tried "playing the game"?
slow smelt
dionysus keepsake
reroll may help as well
not sure if you can reroll into nectar, tho
agile ivy
So i just need to wait that the contractor put him?
Ok then, thank you so much n.n
Also
The stash are also with the contractor?
slow smelt
i think so, but not sure
btw, you need to buy something from contractor before the orpheus show up
so stack up your gems and a diamond
agile ivy
Well, seems like grinding is on the table today, thank you so much rulho n.n
slow smelt
no prob
rotund hedge
tartarus, choice is double boon or hammer
what do you pick
aphrodite + zeus double
rocky mica
Well what weapon? What stuff you got already, planning something?
rocky mica
Then hammer is more safe choice.
rotund hedge
alright
i probably think that jolt+ weak is a pretty sweet combo with that mirror +50% dmg ability, no?
rocky mica
It certainly helps but poison/doom etc are all options.
aphro is more something you pick for debuffs, damage reduction, zeus can be nice but rquires a lot of upgraded boons and ideally multiple boons from zeus.
I feel its easier to get more damage from doom with less boons/upgrades.
And hammer can be lots of damage on its own.
strong verge
rocky mica
I had a great zeus build with bow 2nd aspect but upgraded special boon, jolted, area increase, double strike
karmic coyote
doom+poison seems to be the most common one, doom+weak duo boon is pretty sweet just got it for the first time
rocky mica
JUST had the option to pick it, went with stacking doom damage instead
hope it pops up again
rocky mica
Beam attack? ;p
turbid needle
i beat that boy w/ 2.6k darkness (3 revives bc i'm still a bit iffy on his patterns and he hits like a truck) on my... 17th? 18th?
cosmic shadow
nope, just got whittled down
I thought the spear was kind of iffy at first but I got the hammer first item and chose the explosive throw and at last I truly see
turbid needle
"pretend for now that ||lord hades|| absolutely clobbered him" lmao
hexed pine
Just got my first clear myself
cosmic shadow
I had the chaos boon for the special damage and the doom on special from ares
potent stuff
turbid needle
oh nvm that was my 16th run
rocky mica
yea thats the upgrade that makes the special from spear actually usable. ;p
static skiff
Might wanna censor || Hades ||
turbid needle
fair enough
atomic panther
Basically, yeah
rocky mica
Oh my god, Apollo just appeared and told me Odin would give me a nice upgrade but then Isis showed up and told me Ra would betray me. That was after I killed Hades's twin brother Olivia ofc.
atomic panther
?
static skiff
w0t
cosmic shadow
ah, different weapons
rocky mica
And challengelists.
most are gems but couple others in there
Oeh doom boon upgraded. Thanks Hon. 236 damage.
potent sentinel
what do you guys suggest for playing with the sword , tried shield so far and went with lightning strike on crit on special attack. cleared all till hades was amazing, but ii got no clou for sword. would love some suggestions
rocky mica
Sword is pretty all around I think.
Quick hits with normal attack, large area special.
easy to apply 2 debuffs, normal attacks can be strong with chaos/hammer/artemis upgrade s
Decent 2nd and 3rd aspect (when unlocked).
copper garden
Imo the sword also seems to have the fastest gameplay of all of the weapons
It encourages you to be aggressive
rocky mica
You need to "learn" to play agressive but not dive in recklessly.
copper garden
But if I didn’t dive in recklessly Cerberus would miss me
rocky mica
Is there actually a max level a boon can get? Never really noticed but got doom 8 now and counting.
copper garden
Don’t boons have diminishing returns upon being upgraded?
rocky mica
last doom was 6 or 7 damage more but I only got 2 to choose from and 1 is weak on attack ;p
Can sell it for 510 gold though!
copper garden
But that’s at least 700 coins worth of poms
rocky mica
Damn, got duo doom/weak but also legendary blade rift. I sold my dash blade rift already. ;p
Guess I'll "have" to take the legendary to take it off the list.
Prophecy fulfilled at least.
copper garden
I put my suggestion in feedback, but what are your opinions on Poseidon’s combat boons?
I feel like their playstyle is heavily restricted to the shield
rocky mica
A tad underwelming.
copper garden
I agree, aside from the dash
wind vale
its ok for support boons
rocky mica
Damage is heavily depended on wall smashes and ideally you want the wall damage bonus.
copper garden
Which means you’re limited to the shield if you want to get something out of it
wind vale
lets say bow attack build special poseidon is ok utility
sword attack build, poseidon on special as finisher
copper garden
I’d honestly rather go for poison on bow special
If you stand next to an enemy you can shotgun them
wind vale
as damage but not in this case
rocky mica
Rather have ares or aphr on special
wind vale
like i said - bow attack build
copper garden
Oh, whoops
rocky mica
apply something usefull
copper garden
I thought your meant the bow special
wind vale
yes something good on bow attack and poseidon on special to keep enemies away
rocky mica
I dont want to keep them away, I want to get close .;p
wind vale
but attack is also ok especially with explosive shot
rocky mica
Else I can dash.
copper garden
Well, not with the bow 
rocky mica
Often enough I still do.
wind vale
no thanks - chiron exists now
rocky mica
Easier to keep trackof enemies and predict movements.
copper garden
I’m actually not sure how to appraise Dionysus’s boons, now that I think about it. They feel wonderfully balanced
rocky mica
Poison sometimes feels just a tad underwelming.
wind vale
also 2 more build styles - poseidon on chiron special or rail quick fire attack - require his duo with zeus
copper garden
My take on it is that poison is great in encounters, not amazing in boss fights
wind vale
poison is good on single target if you get dio aphro duo
copper garden
Poison is fantastic if you get the rail upgrade that turns it into a shotgun, with the bow special, or if you get the shield double hit upgrade
It can turn builds that would seem... sketchy into decent builds
wind vale
still rather quick fire but yes
rocky mica
I dunno, some of his boons can also be a little meh. Restore to X threshold. Normally you want to be much higher then that and you can be.
wind vale
also its one of the best damage calls
rocky mica
Or deal more damage when 3 enemies are afflicted.
copper garden
Yeah, that boon falls off during bosses hard
I'm playing around with low health build right now so I'm going to try to experiment with the threshold boon
wind vale
but the slow now works on bosses? havent tried but it was in the notes?
rocky mica
His cast is also a bit meh. Silly lob. ;p
copper garden
The festive fog is so festive it does 120 damage AND slows
wind vale
and makes hera work
rocky mica
You can often deal more damage with normal weapons.
chrome viper
Poseidon is highly underrated considering how good Rupture is for Asphodel/Elysium
copper garden
Never thought about rupture in asphodel
rocky mica
Enemies to mobile later aswell.