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hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:45 AM

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Especially since chiron still had to fire one regular shot first

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:45 AM

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iirc 250 per after everything

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not percent, total damage each arrow

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:46 AM

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I had a formula for calculating boon values after X poms

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I forgot though

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:46 AM

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but that was insane - maybe more realistically 150

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:46 AM

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I think 250 is about what you get after 6 poms on Aphrodite

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:47 AM

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That's a bad investment in Poms.

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Each individual arrow?

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:47 AM

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i mean per arrow for chiron bow yes

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Deadly Flourish was way more effective.

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Because each individual arrow does 10 damage

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Amplification

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:47 AM

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exactly artemis special aphrodite attack and their duo, artemis orm crit boost and stuff

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:48 AM

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There is basically no way to get each individual arrow to do even 100 damage

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:48 AM

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and something to proc the privileged status

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Yes, Deadly Flourish.

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Get a few damage modifiers and you'll start seeing arrows crit for three digits.

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Even if using crit, youd need 230%+ extra damage, and since youre using Artemis's special, the most you get from that are uh

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.... about 140?

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:48 AM

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a bit over 100%

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:48 AM

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No thats too high

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Yeah, that seems more realistic

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120

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:49 AM

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chaos can give 100% special with one boon

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:49 AM

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So youd need another 110% extra

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Yeah, but thats not very reliable

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~~By which I mean Ive gotten one special upgrade boon from Chaos in like 26 attempts and it was +60%~~

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:50 AM

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getting about 300% from him isnt but let say 70 is

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:50 AM

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I mean getting a special boon from them is already not very likely from my experience

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:50 AM

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as in one boon that isnt highest quality from all visits

cunning yoke Dec 11, 2019, 2:51 AM

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so I just met Dusa for the first time

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it's rather flattering to say the least

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:51 AM

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Still with a good Chaos boon, I could see you barely breaking past 100 on a crit

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Even then, youre not critting on every shot (youre critting on 20%) of them, and Bow can also crit

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Your overall DPS should still be a whole lot lower

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:52 AM

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i crit about 60^

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60%

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:52 AM

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How, exactly

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:52 AM

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i always gun for artemis athena duo

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Deady Reversal?

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Ah

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:52 AM

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higher than any of her boons

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:53 AM

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Another boon that hasnt been very reliable in my experience, so I rarely get it

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Part of why I like Triple Shot Bow

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You need triple Shot, and the rest is just gravy

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:53 AM

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explosive shot^

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:53 AM

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You dont need to find dozens of fairly rare boons to do bonkers DPS

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I dont like explosive shot

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:54 AM

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also still twin>>triple

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Too risky, not worth it since its all additive now

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Nah, Triple >>> Twin

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3 > 2

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:54 AM

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2>1

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:54 AM

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(Note, this doesnt apply to high heat)

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:54 AM

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and 2>0

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:54 AM

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I mean, I can reliably hit all 3 arrows on the same target, no problem

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:54 AM

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(the 0 was for being dead btw)

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:55 AM

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Sometimes I only get 2, but 2-3 is still better than just 2

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:57 AM

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oh i totally forgot - the attack bow builds just got pushed down again

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since they were the only ones being able to stack a third hammer

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😦

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:57 AM

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I mean a little bit

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:57 AM

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shows i really didnt play them much

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that i forgot

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:58 AM

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But you didnt get to go for all 3 hammers on attack very reliably

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Especially on Triple Shot

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So its not a big loss

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:58 AM

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how not? there are only 2 for special

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Plus we got 5% extra crit chance

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Yeah but some of them rule out the others

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So you could rule out all attack hammers on the second hammer

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:59 AM

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yes - explosive shot twin shot and lets say perfect shot

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or sniper doesnt really matter

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and you couldnt relly block them

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oh i see what you mean - you dont want explosive - that and the 2 special could block you

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i want it 🙂

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on the other hand flurry shot blocks it for me - so only combination

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usually you block out the ones you dont want and it gets easier to get the good ones - like i start with explosive and guaranteed from there

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 3:02 AM

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Picked up Merciful End at the start of Styx, first purchase before any branches, and got Hunting Blades on the second branch when I grabbed the sack.

https://i.imgur.com/YkRc5QY.png

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ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:03 AM

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Is Chaos Shield aspect only useful once maxed out

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 3:03 AM

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Gimme one second to check my Heat settings. I know there was at least maxed Extreme Measures and one level of Tight Deadline.

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 3:03 AM

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how can you decide which to use? 😄

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chaos shield is definitely getting a lot better at higher levels

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Again, I would personally argue that its not useful at all, but people swear by it

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 3:04 AM

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5 points Extreme Measure, 2 points Middle Management, 2 points Forced Overtime, 2 points Tight Deadline.

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:04 AM

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How do I get the materials for aspect

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I stopped getting it

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:05 AM

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Titan Blood?

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Bounties

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 3:05 AM

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Best way to run Chaos is with Blight Flourish.

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:05 AM

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You need to crank the heat up high enough

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Then kill the bosses

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:05 AM

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I have not unlocked the heat thingy yet

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:05 AM

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Well then you need to get heat unlocked first

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No idea how btw

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:06 AM

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So you're saying my titan blood is very limited if I have not win the game yet?

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 3:06 AM

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i cant say i think its technically great(chaos shield) but its more fun - and i want poison or doom on my special - for that use i really want more shields to make it work well

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:06 AM

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Im pretty sure so

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:06 AM

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Gg

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:06 AM

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Well

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:06 AM

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I still have trouble fighting Hydra

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:06 AM

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You can slowly get it via the broker

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:06 AM

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I always die when its at 1/4

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:06 AM

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Yeah thats roguelikes for you

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Takes a while to get good enough

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:06 AM

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Like I think I am rushing

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Too much

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And take a lot of unnecessary damage

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When fighting Hydra

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:07 AM

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The unlocks also just help

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 3:07 AM

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or as roguelite - enough tries to get stronger via currency 🙂

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:07 AM

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But my tip for the hydra is

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:07 AM

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And I am also trying builds

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:07 AM

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Try to keep a distance

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:07 AM

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I like the Poseidon Aspect though

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 3:07 AM

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(alternatively god mode but i would wait on that)

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:07 AM

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When it does the slow barrage of arrows, hide behind a pillar

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If it does the big one, dash through

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:07 AM

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I saw it from FuryForged video

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And I got interested

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Dash back when it starts to headslam

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And you should be fine

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Anyways to tell if he is gonna headslam

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I get hit by it a lot

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Well, his head goes high

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Hmm maybe I should focus more

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:08 AM

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You have enough time to dash out usually if does that

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Like to see dodge timings

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:08 AM

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I still get hit by it sometimes though

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Instead of spamming attacks

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Because the problem when I use melee weapons to fight Hydra is

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:09 AM

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Then again my build is usually optimized enough by that point that I can largely ignore Hydras mechanics

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:09 AM

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I keep spamming my attacks

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Without focusing on when to dodge

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Because I am always rushing

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So I get screwed

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:09 AM

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Yeah learning to stop attacking is important

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 3:09 AM

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if you ever get the option - Athenas Dash helps a lot

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:09 AM

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Though you can dash out of most things

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Oh and Ares's call is a nice lifeline

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Makes you invulnerable for very long and does decent damage

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Good if you just wanna relax during the third heads phase

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Athenas dash just clears so many projectiles that might have just barely hit you otherwise

blazing mulch Dec 11, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Poseidon and Athena also make you invulnerable

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:11 AM

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True, but Athenas duration is much shorter (and it takes longer to charge) that its not optimal for his purposes

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While Poseidons is a pain to manouver

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:11 AM

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Sometimes I might accidentally not look at the screen because I have Tourettes but I always try to satisfy my tics when things aren't serious

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 3:11 AM

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im not talking about the call - the dash

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:11 AM

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I hope even with Tourettes I can win the game

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Some day

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 3:11 AM

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im sure you will

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Yeah I was responding to opelit

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 3:23 AM

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Does dashing no longer provide i-frames? Twice tonight I've eaten Death Defiances to Slamdancers when I should have been intangible.

tacit jetty Dec 11, 2019, 3:40 AM

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I seem to be dashing through the wave bois pretty reliably atm

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Slamdancers are the ones that spike a bomb into the ground.

tacit jetty Dec 11, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Yeah I know, but I'm saying the dash still seems to have i-frames

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Wavy bois are pretty easy to test that out on, just dash into the wave and see what happens lol

hollow wedge Dec 11, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Is it best to play with keyboard and mouse or controller in everyone's experience?

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Play with both and use what's more comfortable for you.

somber epoch Dec 11, 2019, 4:02 AM

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They recommend controller and I agree

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 4:02 AM

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I use MKB.

somber epoch Dec 11, 2019, 4:02 AM

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But yeah use what you like

hollow wedge Dec 11, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Hmmm I don't have much experience with roguelikes at all so I guess I'll see

somber epoch Dec 11, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Did you play Bastion?

hollow wedge Dec 11, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Yeah on Xbox360 lol

somber epoch Dec 11, 2019, 4:04 AM

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the gameplay is pretty similar in terms of like, character feel

elfin pulsar Dec 11, 2019, 4:26 AM

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mouse keyboard is godlike for this game, not a handicap at all

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one of the few games i've played where I feel like both options are equal

tacit jetty Dec 11, 2019, 4:49 AM

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Yeah I used to play with Mouse and Keyboard, but I've been having some back problems recently related to the way I sit when I use it, so I've made the switch and it hasn't affected my gameplay

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Also this is your daily reminder to take care of your spine...just, like, in general

unkempt crag Dec 11, 2019, 4:52 AM

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Tried playing A Hat in Time with the key board, it was murder. Even manually changing the keybindings didn't save me from wrecking my hand.
That's why I'm waiting for Hades on Switch. So I can slouch on the couch with a controller in my hand in peace.

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Is it possible to unlock all aspect before beating the game and unlocking heat gauge?

frosty pier Dec 11, 2019, 7:28 AM

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I think you can unlock but you cant upgrade.

cosmic tartan Dec 11, 2019, 7:28 AM

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New Steam player here. Any tips for Theseus ? How long can the bull keep charging you ? I feel like I dashed around a third or half the room before getting caught, but I was caught everytime shadegrief

frosty pier Dec 11, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Gently lead Asterius into the wall, that's mostly the only way.

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You can try to get the Ares's cast build that is also really good in that fight.

atomic panther Dec 11, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Asterius only stops dashing when he hits you or a wall (or if you block it with the shield)

frosty pier Dec 11, 2019, 7:33 AM

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What am I even saying If you will get Ares's cast, 2 additional boons from him that affect that cast and meet Artemis along the way for a Duo Boon - Hunting blades...You basically got a run winning build.

median ridge Dec 11, 2019, 7:58 AM

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asterius’s charge will also slow down the longer he does it

frosty pier Dec 11, 2019, 8:00 AM

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But in practice you'll get the horns long before that. So yeah, make arcitecture you friend.

median ridge Dec 11, 2019, 8:01 AM

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having some choice hermes boons for that fight makes it much easier

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Whats so good about Hera Aspect

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By loading casts into attacks?

frosty pier Dec 11, 2019, 8:43 AM

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Mostly that you can stack Hi-damage ones in one huge smack without animations.

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I'm not even talking about Ares Exodia-Cast.

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 8:47 AM

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@frosty pier i saw that in gamepedia saying that hera aspect has this ammo drop timing

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Does it mean that cast ammos

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Will drop at specific timings

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Or i am understanding it wrongly

frosty pier Dec 11, 2019, 8:50 AM

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It means by default casts lodged into enemies with a bow attack will stay for 10 or whatever seconds and then drop to the ground, ready to be picked up.

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 8:50 AM

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Oh and

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Is there other conditions

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Where enemies will drop casts

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Cuz i was watching a gameplay

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And the boss drops cast ammos

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Sometimes

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Without any dislodging skill

frosty pier Dec 11, 2019, 8:51 AM

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Yeah, all enemies do that, it's just timer is significantly longer.

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 8:52 AM

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Ah

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I just cant decide

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Whether to get

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Hera or chiron aspect

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And for chiron aspect

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It says max shots per upgrade level

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What does this mean?

frank fern Dec 11, 2019, 8:56 AM

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bosses drop casts on invis shield e.g.

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your special arrows all seek the target

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get poision on special and GG

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instant max poision on 1 special

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Yeah but what does the max shots mean

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Im confused about that

frank fern Dec 11, 2019, 8:57 AM

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the number of arrows that seek

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Ahh

frank fern Dec 11, 2019, 8:57 AM

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if you get 10 (maxout + hammer) you get 10 hits

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you can fire 3 specials (if you are fast) per "aim shot"

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but just try the aspect

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buy it

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leave to a run

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if you dont like it: give up

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you will get all your blood back

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 8:58 AM

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Wait

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I can respec

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Asepcts?

frank fern Dec 11, 2019, 8:58 AM

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you can test them this way

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just dont save by leaving the skelly room between buy and start run

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dont die

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give up if you dont like what you bought

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Doesnt it auto save?

frank fern Dec 11, 2019, 8:59 AM

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nope

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not if you give up

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Oh

frank fern Dec 11, 2019, 8:59 AM

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you will be back to the point where you entered the skelly room first

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 9:00 AM

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Ahh

frank fern Dec 11, 2019, 9:00 AM

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with all your blood 😉

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i did this to make test runs on all aspects

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im sitting of 90 blood right now unsure if i wait for new weapon / aspect or just buy all i miss 😉

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just make sure you use the "give up" option not the quit one

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the option is there after you took damage in a room

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i didnt notice this till like 50 kills ...

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 9:02 AM

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also dont run back into your bedroom before starting 🙂

frank fern Dec 11, 2019, 9:02 AM

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dont leave poor skelly behind 😄

toxic tusk Dec 11, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Just noticed something: Nasty Dash still doesn't break the vases. I thought that with the latest updates that issue was resolved

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 9:14 AM

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@toxic tusk i think that with attack it works... Not sure tho

brazen sphinx Dec 11, 2019, 10:28 AM

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nice

cunning yoke Dec 11, 2019, 10:29 AM

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I'm kinda regretting the zeus enhancement on the shield :(

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thought it was going to be like the blade thing that Ares' boons give but uhh

frank fern Dec 11, 2019, 10:58 AM

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i couldnt find a reason to use zeus over chaos so far

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always test aspects before buying them for eternity ..

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 11:02 AM

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i always think zagreus is technically the best but i want to have fun with the other ones - and yea zeus is too annoying to handle to me as well

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so chaos it is

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also - totally silly run atm: https://imgur.com/a/gKsymWe

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lol done already

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really have to think hard what i would even want anymore

pure basin Dec 11, 2019, 11:11 AM

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are you supposed to be able to give up whenever you enter a new encounter? I can only quit, making it possible to retry a room if i feel like i'm doing poorly

frank fern Dec 11, 2019, 11:11 AM

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you need to take damage

pure basin Dec 11, 2019, 11:11 AM

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oh ok, thanks

frank fern Dec 11, 2019, 11:12 AM

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but you can not retry a room

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give up = start all over

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 11:12 AM

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you are able to give up when you either took damage or made a choice and it isnt saved yet

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(made a choice=picking a boon or rerolling a room reward or sth like that)

frank fern Dec 11, 2019, 11:12 AM

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give up is a thing if you looking for good seeds for a high heat run, dont do it early on

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no point

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 11:13 AM

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yea you dont get to keep any currency earned

frank fern Dec 11, 2019, 11:14 AM

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im so glad you get easy more rerolls now ... im still at 6 rerolls base and saving up 20k darkness takes me ages at my low playtime

pure basin Dec 11, 2019, 11:14 AM

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also, i can't turn off vibration on my ps4 controller on the steam version, this was not an issue on the epic launcher

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i turn it off, and the setting reverts back when i play again or exit to menu

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 11:15 AM

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hmm - does steam also 'handle' a ps4 controller - they said to have issues with steam controller stuff enabled

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not sure if this is related

pure basin Dec 11, 2019, 11:16 AM

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every other setting saves, except vibration, lol

strong shore Dec 11, 2019, 11:27 AM

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Okay poison+weak on hestia is really good, I shouldn’t have avoided it for so long

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 11:38 AM

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i gotta say - since the change the artemis call is definitely the strongest if used at full charge(of the damage ones)

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 11:54 AM

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does anyone remember: how much did Blinding Flash usually give before the scaling nerf last patch? - lets say lvl1 epic - because i just got lvl1 epic with 70% and it feels like its a huge difference to before but i also might just remember wrong

hot fiber Dec 11, 2019, 1:04 PM

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does the hades bossfight also change if invest in the bossfight heat gaudge (forgive my english) or just the first 3 bosses?

frosty pier Dec 11, 2019, 1:05 PM

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At this point no, but I'm sure it will be.

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 1:12 PM

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What's that thunder shield icon?
https://imgur.com/edrTdh9

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@hot fiber there is sth for hydra and more enemies during tartarus fight right?

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 1:14 PM

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i think its the myrmidon bracer keepsake, not sure why it always has to pop up tho

proud storm Dec 11, 2019, 1:15 PM

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if you have the myrmidon bracer this is the icon that displays if you take backstab damage

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since you take more damage from the back if you equip it

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 1:16 PM

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ok thx

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:46 PM

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oh wow - now im not sure i made the right decision with chaos 🙂 - i am on a build basically with only my special and picked a 100% special boost but damage on using special - so hoping i can get by somehow without any boons basically

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first room was thanatos, then eurydice which doesnt count and then miniboss(gorgonhead)

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had to let thanatos win and now i gotta see how im ever gonna do this one - at least middle management was changed 😄

frosty pier Dec 11, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Yeah, that's the whims of chaos for you.

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:54 PM

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think i found a useful bug in all this - holy shield from athena seems to proc if i run into these spawned lava pools but i dont take any damage

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(not if i get hit by one spawning)

woven kindle Dec 11, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Heya guys, hoping someone can clear this up for me:
What exactly does hell mode offer, other than one extra pact on the PoP? If I'm already regularly trying for high heat anyway does it really warrant starting again?

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It seems to have mandatory stuff already activated on the pact, but that seems like it would only make early game hard and by the time I get to 16+ heat (like the old save) it'll likely feel similar again?

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 3:18 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/9oxC9VX
Pog defeated Elysium boss for the first time with Chiron Bow that have poison effects

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wanton raptor Dec 11, 2019, 3:19 PM

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I want to unlock the 16 HEAT statue but i suck

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Anyone got any recommended pact of punishment page ?

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 3:20 PM

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is it possible to unlock the statues using god mode?

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anyone know?

wanton raptor Dec 11, 2019, 3:20 PM

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yeah i am trying to

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i am using god mode

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 3:20 PM

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oh good

wanton raptor Dec 11, 2019, 3:20 PM

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will let you know if i beat the game in 16 heat

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 3:21 PM

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as for heat - it really depends on what you plan to play

stable oyster Dec 11, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Forced overtime is generally harder then most options

wanton raptor Dec 11, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Yeah i am not doing forced overtime

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 3:22 PM

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also ofc it gets easier the more darkness you use in the mirror(unless you chose to use that heat option)

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one thin i would recommend is to just jump in and look what the first boon offered is

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then give up

wanton raptor Dec 11, 2019, 3:22 PM

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the new extreme measures one is too hard for me

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i keep dying XD

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the sisters fight becomes too hard

woven kindle Dec 11, 2019, 3:23 PM

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I only wish they'd get rid of Tisiphinoes smoke grenade support, not being able to see wtf is going on at all is not fun

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 3:24 PM

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i have to say both extreme measures and middle management are certainly the most fun to me but im not sure they are worth the amount of heat they give still

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although you can avoid middle management and make that one sort of free

woven kindle Dec 11, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Extreme measures seems fine for the most part, except that Hydra room lags my toaster like mad, the actual fight isn't really that insane
I only really feel the impact of Middle Management during Asphodel, where both elite rooms are pretty brutal if you haven't got your build going yet

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It's still better than the triple medusa/cyclops room that it used to be, which was just a run ender tbh

marsh wedge Dec 11, 2019, 3:49 PM

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hey guys, I just redownloaded the game. My save file is gone. was there a full reset or something?

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Is it just me or that the poison stacking with Chiron Aspect is really really strong?

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Coupled with Festive of Fogs

toxic tusk Dec 11, 2019, 4:16 PM

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If you grab the Dionysus on special / Aphrodite on attack and their duo boon, you become a killing machine

hot fiber Dec 11, 2019, 4:24 PM

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@oak siren yes

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 4:24 PM

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@hot fiber ?

wanton raptor Dec 11, 2019, 4:30 PM

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god forking damnit

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i was at the end with 16 heat

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but i died 😦

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 4:31 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/welldone-dance-gif-5369827

Tenor

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im still struggling with 5 heat lv

hot fiber Dec 11, 2019, 4:33 PM

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you asked me about the hydra fight

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 4:34 PM

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oh right it was just hours ago and it slipped my mind xD

median ridge Dec 11, 2019, 5:14 PM

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the final boss fight is very blockable with the shield

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he does have a habit of trying to sneak behind you and the spin attacks rarely leave enough time to block, but he is blockable

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 5:40 PM

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I tried 4 times, 3 times spin, one time thrust. I even try block it on propose standing still with charged attack/raised shield and still get hit...

median ridge Dec 11, 2019, 5:46 PM

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strange

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could be a bug

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 5:47 PM

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i was also thinking about it

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but it worked for other enemies

median ridge Dec 11, 2019, 5:48 PM

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his laser attack is certainly easy to block. everything else is tricky timing to get right

proud storm Dec 11, 2019, 5:50 PM

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fun fact: you can "hug" the final boss when he does the laser attack thing

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you dont take damage if you're right next to him

grand patrol Dec 11, 2019, 5:51 PM

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.........😢

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 5:59 PM

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strongest viscious skewer build i ever had(after mdk at least) and i cant say i feel op(or as much as i think i should in this situation) - https://imgur.com/a/QvhFMtE

Imgur

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tbh - what feels the strongest in this is not even really part of the build - athenas legendary

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 6:02 PM

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i dont even remember half of perks xD

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Vicious Skewer is nice

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Though I prefer Explosive Launcher

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 6:08 PM

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who prefer the previous Sisyphus character design?

median ridge Dec 11, 2019, 6:33 PM

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sisyphus didn’t have a previous character design. that was just a stand-in

little grotto Dec 11, 2019, 7:06 PM

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can i have a little help?

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what does Curse of longing do? Aphrodite Ares duo

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your doom effects continuously strike weak foes +25%

median ridge Dec 11, 2019, 7:07 PM

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it makes it so the curse damage hits repeatedly at reduced levels for as long as the enemy also has the weak debuff

little grotto Dec 11, 2019, 7:08 PM

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so if i keep the weak on the enemy one apply of doom will keep hitting it?

median ridge Dec 11, 2019, 7:08 PM

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yup

little grotto Dec 11, 2019, 7:08 PM

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that sounds op

median ridge Dec 11, 2019, 7:08 PM

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although the damage drops off pretty quickly

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it used to be severely broken

little grotto Dec 11, 2019, 7:09 PM

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i can imagine

median ridge Dec 11, 2019, 7:09 PM

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but the doom is only reapplied at 25% of the previous damage each time

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so say if the original damage of the doom is 100, it would go to 25, then 6, then 1

little grotto Dec 11, 2019, 7:10 PM

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im playing a hera aspect bow, doom on attack and weak on cast so lets see how it works

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final boss ahead so it wont see too much testing

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it worked alright

stiff seal Dec 11, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Are rerolls random and drawing from the same pool of options? Rerolled Athena Death Barge to Poseidon and three more rerolls always spit out Poseidon

median ridge Dec 11, 2019, 7:52 PM

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mini-boss rooms always give god boons.

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 8:56 PM

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I really dont get this perk... dash attack damage +100% but it sits in my dash slot so... its overwrite any other dash attack and base dash dont deal any dmg... so 0 +100% give us still 0... what am i missing here? ಠ_ರೃ
https://imgur.com/YQMEUss

Imgur

vital zenith Dec 11, 2019, 9:01 PM

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as the tooltip says, your dash attack is an attack (x button) done directly after dashing. that's what hunter dash is buffing.

wooden spade Dec 11, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Yep - that is instead of something like Dionysus’ dash which does an AoE at the dash location

vital zenith Dec 11, 2019, 9:04 PM

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it can be hard to tell how some dash attacks are different from normal attacks. for exagryph (which it looks like you're using?) when you dash and then attack you shoot two bullets in slightly quicker succession, i think?

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 9:04 PM

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oh right sorry my bad xD

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yeah im now with exagryph

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is there any way to know it pom of power in labyrinth will give u 1 or 2 upgrades?

kind fiber Dec 11, 2019, 9:15 PM

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I'm not sure

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If it comes from an elite it might be a + 2 upgrades pom?

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 9:16 PM

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yeah i havent really paid attention, i will look at it closer

kind fiber Dec 11, 2019, 9:17 PM

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if it comes from the act 4 shop, you can tell it will be 2 upgrades if its 250 gold instead of a lower price

proud storm Dec 11, 2019, 9:30 PM

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HELPPP https://streamable.com/w2xh0

Streamable

Hades 2019.12.11 - 22.15.46.08 - Streamable

▶ Play video

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 9:31 PM

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?

proud storm Dec 11, 2019, 9:31 PM

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i deflected his rocket so that it would damage him

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it just nuked his chariot and he just faceplanted on the ground

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 9:33 PM

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cant u defat him on the ground? (im havent yet reach that part of the game so idk what going on with chariot

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)

proud storm Dec 11, 2019, 9:34 PM

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nah he's invulnerable while he's lying on the floor

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though this fight is kinda spoilers for you actually cuz you dont fight him like that the first time

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 9:35 PM

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well that actually get me more hyped as i thought that i will be just adding heat and thats something much more interesting .

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any way is there max lv on aspects?

atomic panther Dec 11, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Yes

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 9:39 PM

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and does different aspects gave separate bounties? (eg. diamonds for hydra on each and every bow)

proud storm Dec 11, 2019, 9:40 PM

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no

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once you get a bounty on a weapon you wont get it again even if you change your aspect

pastel jolt Dec 11, 2019, 9:43 PM

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man, i wish streamable didn't stutter for me and make any clip unwatchable :C

proud storm Dec 11, 2019, 9:51 PM

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😔

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 9:51 PM

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maybe just report it as a bug

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 10:10 PM

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I literally killed hydra by dashing because with bow after 5 minutes i was on the 2 phase xDD i cant get any attacks/ special god perk...
https://imgur.com/BfolRU5

Imgur

vocal lichen Dec 11, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Ok, maybe I'm insane, but I could swear that Hades consistently hits me after I dash out of the way

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Maybe the arc is wider than the animation or it scans for dmg slightly before the animation, but his basic swing seems to hit me way more than it should

analog sail Dec 11, 2019, 11:14 PM

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No, Hades gets you if you dash only once unless you have Athena dash

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I always dash twice anyway to be sure

cinder dragon Dec 11, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Just to make sure I understand correctly, does Hell Mode just enable parts of the pact early? Or does it do anything else that I wouldn't be able to unlock by just starting a game at high heat?

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(Mostly because I have a file that's super far in, but if Hell Mode provides additional challenge, I guess I'll restart)

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Few questions

Tips on fighting poison monsters at Temple of Styx?
Do I have to clear all dungeon to get to Hades because I see a youtuber clearing half and Ceberus still lets him through

unkempt pagoda Dec 11, 2019, 11:40 PM

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1: satyrs lean back right before they shoot their darts, dash then; don't step on the puddles where giant rats were

median ridge Dec 11, 2019, 11:40 PM

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you need to find the satyr sack to get by cerberus. it will appear randomly at the end of one tunnel

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 11:40 PM

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There's a Hell Mode-exclusive Pact option, and I've heard people say that you cannot turn down Heat.

unkempt pagoda Dec 11, 2019, 11:41 PM

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2: it's random when you get the sack to bypass cerberus, not sure if there's a minimum tunnel count but it depends on your luck

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you can get the sack at two tunnels or only get it after all of the tunnels, or anywhere in between

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Ah ytd i got to temple for the first time

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Died at 4th tunnel

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But it was fun

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Knowing i managed to hit temple

unkempt pagoda Dec 11, 2019, 11:42 PM

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not entirely sure if you can get it at one tunnel

median ridge Dec 11, 2019, 11:42 PM

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i got the sack on the first tunnel the first time i did styx

unkempt pagoda Dec 11, 2019, 11:42 PM

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personally i find the temple really fun

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 11:42 PM

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I was using chirom bow with poison special weak attacl

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So strong

mild crag Dec 12, 2019, 12:13 AM

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@cinder dragon For Hell mode there's 5 pact conditions you can never turn off which includes the special one which removes brief invincibility after getting hit (condition is not available in non Hell saves). If you clear the game with a weapon the minimum heat increases for that weapon - I've cleared it 3 or so times with the Rail so it won't let me do any runs with it that are less than 8 Heat. So yes it provides additional challenge you can't get with a normal save

civic barn Dec 12, 2019, 12:34 AM

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Are there any tips on finding the furies when the screen is cluttered? It was already a bit hard finding them when the background color matches with tisiphone and alecto, but I can't actually tell what happening half the time and it's making smooth clearing a bit difficult

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 12:36 AM

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The Fury whose health you need to deplete to continue will be standing on the ground for most of the fight.

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Assist Furies are flying, and their animation is pretty distinct from the main Fury's Impervious hover.

civic barn Dec 12, 2019, 12:39 AM

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After they dash attack I lose sight of them sometimes; the animations are distinct enough for me.

mild crag Dec 12, 2019, 12:40 AM

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Alecto usually just follows behind you and Megara only dashes once so they shouldn't be too hard to keep track of

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I have trouble with Tisiphone since she dashes twice

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 12:41 AM

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Tisiphone will only do a long-range dash once. Her whip attack is where she moves twice.

mild crag Dec 12, 2019, 12:42 AM

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yeah it's just on high forced overtime she always tricks me

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can't react fast enough uwu

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i don't know which support it is

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but the smoke or gas or whatever

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that obscures your view

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 12:42 AM

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That's Tisiphone.

mild crag Dec 12, 2019, 12:42 AM

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that's toxicc

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always gets me on Alecto

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cause then I walk into her blade rift t hings

civic barn Dec 12, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Hmm. My experience with them seems different. I guess they aren't dashing repeatedly, but they do it consecutively quite often for me, if that makes any sense

mild crag Dec 12, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Tisiphone does a line attack which stuns you, then dashes forward and shoots projectiles sideways

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or she dashes once towards you, then again and does a spin whip attack

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Meg just dashes towards you once

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I'm not sure Alecto dashes at all

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 12:44 AM

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She does.

mild crag Dec 12, 2019, 12:44 AM

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She moves really quickly when raged tho

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 12:44 AM

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Fires a wave of bullets forward like in her whip attack.

mild crag Dec 12, 2019, 12:45 AM

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I'll need to pay more attention next time

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Tisiphone telegraphs all of her attacks super duper hard, so by this point Alecto is the hardest Fury for me.

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And yeah, Forced Overtime Enraged Alecto is only one step below Asterius in "Holy bleep get away from me."

mild crag Dec 12, 2019, 12:46 AM

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maybe if zag didn't wear red all the time the bull wouldn't be so enraged at the sight of him!

civic barn Dec 12, 2019, 12:47 AM

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Alright. Thanks for the advice. I'll keep trying 👌

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 12:47 AM

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You'll get it! Good luck.

median ridge Dec 12, 2019, 12:48 AM

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can confirm, if you just hold down the block button and point it in hades’ direction, you can block literally all of his attacks

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shield is very good

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 12:49 AM

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Until you walk into an urn that was behind a tree for 270 damage.

median ridge Dec 12, 2019, 12:59 AM

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the thing to get used to is that the shield is not instant, like in bastion

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so to use it effectively, you need to be able to read and anticipate oncoming attacks

fast thicket Dec 12, 2019, 1:00 AM

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I like that bow a ton, due to the tactic of full charge>Shoot>Dash>Repeat

median ridge Dec 12, 2019, 1:00 AM

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bow is my favorite. it has a lovely rhythm to it

fast thicket Dec 12, 2019, 1:00 AM

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Yeah

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It can pack a punch if you get a build based around that stuff

median ridge Dec 12, 2019, 1:01 AM

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crit builds work very well for it. also always doing dash attacks

fast thicket Dec 12, 2019, 1:02 AM

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Yeah

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The rail is interesting, but i haven't managed to get good at it, and i think spear is something i should practice

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 1:03 AM

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Rail with Eris Aspect is one of the meanest DPS machines in the game.

fast thicket Dec 12, 2019, 1:03 AM

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huh

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I will try that

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Got to say, 20 bucks was 100% worth it

fast thicket Dec 12, 2019, 2:11 AM

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What spear aspect should i have on my mind?

bronze trench Dec 12, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Am I missing something with the big chariots in the third area? Some weapons stop them charging, but some don't and I often end up taking 45+ damage from a charge because of the weird multi hit they do

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 2:41 AM

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Some weapons do not stagger enemies when they make contact.

bronze trench Dec 12, 2019, 3:11 AM

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So those weapons are solely supposed to dodge them?

unkempt pagoda Dec 12, 2019, 3:12 AM

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i believe all weapons have a stagger, it just depends on whether it's attack or special

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rail special staggers i believe

strong shore Dec 12, 2019, 3:20 AM

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If you dash through a wall or a gap or a pillar the chariots would hit the obstacle and stop

blazing mulch Dec 12, 2019, 3:20 AM

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not all attack stagger enemies, There are hammer upgrades that add it I believe

mild crag Dec 12, 2019, 3:33 AM

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rail attack doesn't stagger, but it does with explosive shot

hybrid frost Dec 12, 2019, 5:03 AM

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Chariots suck. If they have armor or you're not using a fast weapon that staggers, it's best just to kite them.

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 5:04 AM

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They turn so friggin' fast.

median ridge Dec 12, 2019, 5:06 AM

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if you get far enough away from them eventually they will calm down, letting you come back in for quick attacks and then run away again

elfin pulsar Dec 12, 2019, 7:53 AM

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so now that its been a few days, do you guys know which NPCs you can give ambrosia for the special keepsakes?

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just got skelly's

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Meg, Than, Sisyphus.

elfin pulsar Dec 12, 2019, 7:54 AM

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can you summon meg to fight meg?

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 7:54 AM

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No.

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She cant fight her sisters and Hades.

elfin pulsar Dec 12, 2019, 7:55 AM

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makes sense

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 7:55 AM

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Than is not smacking Hades to.

elfin pulsar Dec 12, 2019, 7:55 AM

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skelly will flex on him tho?

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 7:55 AM

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Yes, absolutely.

elfin pulsar Dec 12, 2019, 7:55 AM

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excellent

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 7:57 AM

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Skelly and Sysiphus are free to do what they want not fearing the "And nobody ate dinner that night or whatever it is" situation.

terse coral Dec 12, 2019, 8:13 AM

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So uhh, I get to upgrade my passive buff but Boons reset every run?

median ridge Dec 12, 2019, 8:17 AM

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yup!

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 8:18 AM

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Hades has a lot of permanent features to unlock tho.

terse coral Dec 12, 2019, 8:24 AM

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alright, thanks!

ripe osprey Dec 12, 2019, 8:28 AM

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Whats the difference between ambrosia and nectar

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Like in terms of items

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Do i give ambrosia to any npc n get smth diff?

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 8:28 AM

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Ambrosia is Hi-end Nectar and used to uprgade special keepsakes.

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Basically

proud storm Dec 12, 2019, 8:29 AM

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You need to give nectar to your friends until it becomes impossible

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In some cases youll need to do a specific action to further your bond with some characters

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Once this is done youll be able to give them ambrosia

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This is a fairly late-game resource

grave dirge Dec 12, 2019, 9:05 AM

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i wonder what hte last weapon slot will be

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so far the spear and bow are my favorites i would love a fist like weapon like the Balrog fists that Dante has in DMC 5

night solar Dec 12, 2019, 9:55 AM

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When do you unlock aspects? Ive ran into the final boss. I have the mirror maxed and all ambrosia/ nectar cant be given until a clock passes( guessing beat final boss) havent played since the theseus update but i have cathonic keys and titan blood so im a bit unsure.

tawdry jackal Dec 12, 2019, 10:05 AM

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you get aspects after you've unlocked the Hexagryph

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''unlock'' all weapons is the requirement, as far as Im concerned

night solar Dec 12, 2019, 10:07 AM

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Hmm... interesting. I have all weapons unlocked...

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Havent had any update or such on the hexagryph..

quaint talon Dec 12, 2019, 10:09 AM

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Do black orbs appear after you picks a weapon?

night solar Dec 12, 2019, 10:10 AM

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Its been a couple updates so maybe just running through will slowly unravel the new stuff

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Notta.

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No black orbs,just the grey weapon slot.

quaint talon Dec 12, 2019, 10:11 AM

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Maybe just talk to everyone and suicide a couple times

night solar Dec 12, 2019, 10:11 AM

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Zag did say to talk to achilled about the titan blood but achilles only had stuff to say about the final boss. Nothing else.

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Yeahh. Ill do a tun or teo to die and get new info tomorrow.

chrome viper Dec 12, 2019, 10:38 AM

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Is it possible to get Chaos' DD boon on the first try or do I have to get a few before that one shows up?

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 10:42 AM

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With how inconsistent Chaos is you cant really test that. IMO. My only time seeing it was after 2 chaos boons.

stiff seal Dec 12, 2019, 10:48 AM

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Can you reunite Orpheus and Eurydice? Or is it not implemented yet? The last event, few runs ago, was Hades telling me that it would be expensive.

hot basin Dec 12, 2019, 11:09 AM

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I haven't gotten to that part yet, but from what people around here are saying ||you can basically free him from eternally serving hades with 10 diamonds at some point, and i think he then reunites with eurydice||

proud storm Dec 12, 2019, 11:54 AM

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that part is about ||sisyphus|| though

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the best you can do about the two of them is ||rekindling their love for each other|| for now

ripe osprey Dec 12, 2019, 11:58 AM

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Damn, I don't know why but the Spear Rush aspect feels like its bad

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Or I am not using it correctly?

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Any opinions

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Or Spear aspects are just meh in general?

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 12:01 PM

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Personaly I use Hades's aspect. Just because it doesn't make me do something that's out of my way.

ripe osprey Dec 12, 2019, 12:01 PM

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@frosty pier Actually how does Eris Aspect work

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I'm sorta confused

neat kite Dec 12, 2019, 12:01 PM

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i had no luck with spear at all, it just feels really bad somehow compared to the other weapons

ripe osprey Dec 12, 2019, 12:02 PM

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After absorbing your Special Blast, deal more damage

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I am confused ^

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 12:02 PM

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You use your special. It lands. If you are in the blast, you get buffed.

neat kite Dec 12, 2019, 12:03 PM

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yeah

ripe osprey Dec 12, 2019, 12:03 PM

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Ahh I see

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And is Chaos Aspect for Shield even worth using a +1 bonus shield

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I am interested in it but 1 Shield feels really meh to me

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 12:03 PM

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Spear just uses Rail build with zeus or artemis.

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CHaos shield aspect is weird one

ripe osprey Dec 12, 2019, 12:05 PM

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Like it looks interesting

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 12:05 PM

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PMaybe it's better on lvl5 but really not a fan of condition

ripe osprey Dec 12, 2019, 12:05 PM

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but like I said, +1 Bonus Shield

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Feels meh

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Because I only have 1 titan blood now

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I don't know whether to use it or not

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So far I have Chiron Bow, Poiseidon Blade and the Special Rush Spear

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Well I prefer
Hestia's aspect on a Rail,
Zeus's on a shield (it's good for Doom and Poison even lvl1 if you kite things properly),
Hades's on a spear,
and I not made up my mind on a sword because you need to Max out Zag's aspect for Reasons

ripe osprey Dec 12, 2019, 12:43 PM

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@frosty pier What are some good boons and stuffs for Zeus Shield

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I just got enough Titan Blood to get Zeus Shield

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Mostly I use something Dio's Poison / Ares's Doom / Aphrodite's Weak to compliment an attack or even proc damage buff from having two separate debuffs on an enemy.

ripe osprey Dec 12, 2019, 12:49 PM

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hmm

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Those three are most usefull even if you have a low-lvled one

ripe osprey Dec 12, 2019, 12:50 PM

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I see

bright prawn Dec 12, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Anyone have a preference of Pact options for Heat 15? Feeling like I'm probably not optimizing for each weapon and it's starting to show in my run results.

chilly abyss Dec 12, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Is anyone aware of any benefits challenging elite rooms over regular ones? So far I guessed that maybe boon quality is higher but I have no evidence supporting that...

strong thorn Dec 12, 2019, 1:38 PM

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so did they remove the third hammer altogether from runs?

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or is it still possible to get three hammers in one run still

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 1:44 PM

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It can appear as a reward, but not in the shop

strong thorn Dec 12, 2019, 1:46 PM

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ah alright

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thank you

balmy citrus Dec 12, 2019, 1:51 PM

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If i skip the ! entrance (in the middle of a run) do I skip the story and will it reappear in the future runs?

woeful stirrup Dec 12, 2019, 1:53 PM

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The exclamation mark rooms are encounters with NPCs, there is one for each of the first three areas, with different gifts depending on the NPC. If you don't pick such a room during a run, you can simply get it later.

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Each of those NPCs has a story line that requires several encounters anyway.

balmy citrus Dec 12, 2019, 1:54 PM

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ty

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 2:12 PM

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@bright prawn 15 heat: forced overtime 5/5 - tight deadline max, 800% inc trap damage, 3/3 boss modifier .... 15 heat

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 2:16 PM

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I think you meant Middle managment first.

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Extreme mesures is the boss modifier.

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 2:16 PM

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50% faster, 6 minutes, hurting traps, alternate bosses 😄

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oh okay so whats 50% speed -.-

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Forced overtime?

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It's still whipped frenzy in my head xD

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 2:18 PM

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you can switch silver hearts for traps depending on weapon

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or just dont step on traps like an fool 😉

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 2:20 PM

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And dont dive into Vases during 2 phase of Big H

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 2:20 PM

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hey its only like 300+ damage ....

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 2:23 PM

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At 15 heat you are already declaring to the world that you are hot stuff. 300 damage if nothing...right?Right?...

woeful stirrup Dec 12, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Good thing is, you won't dive into those vases twice.

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 2:23 PM

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True

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 2:26 PM

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pain increases if you want 20 -.-

wind vale Dec 12, 2019, 3:01 PM

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i currently try multi skewer with crit and battle rage - is there a good way for me to keep the buff for actual use(as in when i throw the special out and not when i have it return)

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or is it only running over the spear to collect it(and with multi skewer it can be absolutely anywhere)

analog crystal Dec 12, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Is anyone else getting a bug where you can't change heat? it just begins the run? I've f10'd it but its highly likely im just being stupid and doing something wrong

wind vale Dec 12, 2019, 3:04 PM

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but you have completed a run before(as in win)?

analog crystal Dec 12, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Yeah when I move to change heat the + button the interact button acts like ive pressed begin run

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Ive had to use my house to click on it but i dont see why that makes a difference

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I use controller

wind vale Dec 12, 2019, 3:06 PM

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oh - i think there was something in the last patch notes that allowed to skip that screen but it shouldnt prevent you from using it

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found it: shadesmile You can use the Interact command as a shortcut to proceed through the Pact screen

analog crystal Dec 12, 2019, 3:06 PM

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You can use the Interact command as a shortcut to proceed through the Pact screen

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Oh yeah

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But then

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On controller how do I change heat

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It was the interact button before on the + and - to change it

wind vale Dec 12, 2019, 3:07 PM

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sorry i dont use controller myself so it would just be guessing

analog crystal Dec 12, 2019, 3:08 PM

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damn, ty for lettin me know it was a patch I feel silly for f10ing it now haha

wind vale Dec 12, 2019, 3:08 PM

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at least they know its not the most intuitive now

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at least in some situations

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wow - back to my multi skewer battle rage problem - even picking up the spear without doing any attack/special consumes a battle rage buff - guess ill f10 that

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means battle rage doesnt really combine with multi skewer(and probably other spear special as well) 😦

frozen canyon Dec 12, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Are there going to be a lot of weapons in Hades or does it take different direction from other Rogue Lites? Usually it does revolve around huge arsenals.

wind vale Dec 12, 2019, 3:23 PM

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the weapon system is a bit different - there are currently 5 weapons each in 3 variations(aiming at 6 in 4 variations) but they seem much more different than i usually see in roguelikes(ie nothing like same weapon but slightly more damage or anything like that)

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weapons basically set the gameplay here like you can sometimes get by selecting different characters to play as(tho imo its a bit more different)

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and then you empower them using god boons or similar upgrades you can find during a run - this is a bit more akin to what you pick up in other roguelikes

ripe osprey Dec 12, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Any tips for Zeus Shield? In terms of usage

eternal stag Dec 12, 2019, 3:57 PM

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i really like it for applying status effects

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 4:43 PM

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@ripe osprey Get a feel how much it travels and use it before running in preferably try to knockback enemies into it. Alternatively with a pack of enemies that is chasing you can let it out, recall and run from the shield in the middle of group of enemies. And most simple use - it deletes projectiles so you can use it to cover your approach (doesn't work with brimstones, arrows and medusas but nothing works with them).

bright prawn Dec 12, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Does anyone know how many times Zeus's special boon actually procs with the Bow's Special? The vfx are somewhat confusing and the damage numbers are all so close together that I can't really tell.

manic ermine Dec 12, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Generally, once

bright prawn Dec 12, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Thanks

wind vale Dec 12, 2019, 5:23 PM

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once per enemy hit unless they changed that

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and since it procs an aoe each of these can theoretically hit others as well but i wouldnt rely on it

proud storm Dec 12, 2019, 5:31 PM

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dealing 900 knockback damage with epic typhoon's fury shadeohboy

atomic panther Dec 12, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Wait it does HOW MUCH

strong thorn Dec 12, 2019, 5:33 PM

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hey uh

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does the pact biome timer stop when you beat the biome's endboss

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cause uh

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let's just say i got 4 seconds left to do that

wind vale Dec 12, 2019, 5:34 PM

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yea always stopped when the boss died (and only started after the intro area as well)

proud storm Dec 12, 2019, 5:35 PM

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if you run out of time from tight deadline you dont die instantly

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you take damage over time

strong thorn Dec 12, 2019, 5:35 PM

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oh thank god

proud storm Dec 12, 2019, 5:35 PM

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i think it's like 5 damage per second

strong thorn Dec 12, 2019, 5:35 PM

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okay time to delete theseus

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hoo 8 hp left after that shadeohboy

proud storm Dec 12, 2019, 5:44 PM

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top 10 "thank you for that" hades moments

landing a crit on an enemy who has 1hp/armor point remaining
getting Sweet Nectar on the very last corridor of the temple of styx after having purchased every pom in charon's shop

ember pumice Dec 12, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Getting Life Affirmation in the last corridor after no more centaur hearts are available

proud storm Dec 12, 2019, 5:54 PM

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in case you were doubting me about that knockback damage https://streamable.com/pq8p5

Streamable

Hades 2019.12.12 - 18.33.21.05 - Streamable

▶ Play video

frosty pier Dec 12, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Knew it would be shield

atomic panther Dec 12, 2019, 6:05 PM

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👀

frail gull Dec 12, 2019, 6:08 PM

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I was doing a trove trial in elysium and I knew the next room would be patroclus so I could get refill all my death defieds with the super kiss of styx. So I allowed myself to die, but unfortunately a spear trap boosted by heightened security from the pact somehow was able to strike again during the animation of the death defied and it killed me again without me able to react or even see what was happening, ending a really promising run 😭

grand patrol Dec 12, 2019, 6:08 PM

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😭 awwwww man

frail gull Dec 12, 2019, 6:09 PM

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weird thing is, I thought you had a brief period of invulnerability when you revived and I didn't think the attack rate on those traps was that high

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I also thought I had enough health that I should be able to withstand one hit from the trap after reviving even with the 4x dmg

woeful sage Dec 12, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Does anyone else feel like the Minotaur's leap attack sometimes hits you before his animation does?

subtle shale Dec 12, 2019, 7:04 PM

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It absolutely does

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It’s almost screwed me out of some runs

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Minotaur in general I feel has janky hit boxes

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I’ll literally dash straight through one of the columns and he’ll yeet around it six times before actually face planting

woeful sage Dec 12, 2019, 7:06 PM

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That was another thing! His charge attack turns on a dime. Do people enjoy that challenge or could that use a liiiittle loosening up?

elfin pulsar Dec 12, 2019, 7:06 PM

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the charge isnt too bad

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just gotta get near a wall once u see him wind it up

subtle shale Dec 12, 2019, 7:07 PM

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I feel it needs a little loosening just so I can consistently lead him into walls

inner heath Dec 12, 2019, 7:07 PM

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He used to give me major problems, but once I learned him, it wasn't too bad. Though I agree that the leap attack/animation seems janky at times

elfin pulsar Dec 12, 2019, 7:07 PM

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it is pretty lame when you dash half a second too early and he doesnt hit the wall

unique vigil Dec 12, 2019, 7:08 PM

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the minotaur/theseus fights have been fine for me so far

subtle shale Dec 12, 2019, 7:09 PM

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My main issue anymore is Theseus hitting me from off screen but I know that’s mostly down to me needing to focus on them both

grand patrol Dec 12, 2019, 7:09 PM

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@turbid needle hold up was the name of nasty dash changed

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Uuuhh. I don't know. It's probably still Nasty Dash.

grand patrol Dec 12, 2019, 7:09 PM

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ahhh hgvhjfhjfhj i wasnt sure if i had to LEAVE A STERN FEEDBACK lmao

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its such a good name

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Oh god it's all invalid because I misfiled one piece of information.

grand patrol Dec 12, 2019, 7:10 PM

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but also, thanks for talking abt hitboxes! i KNEW the passion dash felt weird

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NO NO

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 7:10 PM

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It's a bureaucrat's wet dream/worst nightmare.

grand patrol Dec 12, 2019, 7:10 PM

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its fine!!! theyll know

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 7:10 PM

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I'm kidding. 🤣

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Already edited my post.

woeful sage Dec 12, 2019, 7:11 PM

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@subtle shale at 11:09 AM
My main issue anymore is Theseus hitting me from off screen but I know that’s mostly down to me needing to focus on them both

You have to listen very closely for his charging sound. The bow enemies use it as well. When that pink reticle is on you you can hear them charging too.

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Anyway, if it were up to me, Passion Dash would work like Divine Dash with no damage but a bigger radius for every level, and Nasty Dash to work like Tidal Dash but with its current hitbox size and leveling mechanic.

unique vigil Dec 12, 2019, 7:12 PM

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I focused down the minotaur first

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Going into the Heroes fight with 30 seconds left on TD. Wish me luck.

subtle shale Dec 12, 2019, 7:14 PM

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You must become speed

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 7:14 PM

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30 seconds over time - you burn 150 hp

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doable ^^

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 7:14 PM

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Lost two DDs, going into Styx with one.

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I am running Chaos Aegis with Low Tolerance, so I should be fine.

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I just dallied too long in Elysium.

manic ermine Dec 12, 2019, 7:23 PM

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If you sidestep slightly then stand still, you can trap him in a charge loop around you and get several seconds of free damage

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 7:46 PM

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So Poseidon Aspect is nice for requiring absolutely no thinking to start your offense.

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Well I threw that the hell away. Oops.

unique vigil Dec 12, 2019, 7:55 PM

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goddamn the hydra is actually getting kinda hard to fight now

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I used to beat it with no problem

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 7:55 PM

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And not in a way that I think feels good.

atomic panther Dec 12, 2019, 7:57 PM

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That phase skip protection matters a hell of a lot

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 7:58 PM

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I wouldn't say that's quite it.

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4th phase is still too hectic.

twilit ridge Dec 12, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Anyone know if dash attack bonus from Chaos affects bow?

high crow Dec 12, 2019, 8:46 PM

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it does

twilit ridge Dec 12, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Oh good

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Artemis boon not doing so made me paranoid

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Cheers

high crow Dec 12, 2019, 8:47 PM

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it should

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unfortunately dash attack on bow is just a regular shot with less base dmg

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regular shot is 60

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dash attack is 40

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it's that way to encourage actually standing still

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Yeah, Hunter Dash is usually the best Dash on a bow attack build.

stable oyster Dec 12, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Is there anyone here who likes ares dash?

proud storm Dec 12, 2019, 8:52 PM

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rift effects only really shine if you get related upgrades imo

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black metal vicious cycle and the like

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Blade Dash is the worst in the game, but you can't have Ares' Dash apply Doom, that'd be insane.

proud storm Dec 12, 2019, 8:53 PM

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ares' dash is awesome if you get hunting blades

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 8:54 PM

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No, there's no way they seek.

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Do they start seeking?

proud storm Dec 12, 2019, 8:54 PM

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...yeah?

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Huh.

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This is new information.

proud storm Dec 12, 2019, 8:55 PM

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i mean i havent had that combo in ages but last i remembered they would chase after enemies

icy edge Dec 12, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Ares dash is viable if you're running some kind of insane Ares/Poseidon kiting build for higher heat runs that don't buff enemy health

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Other than that, on their own, they aren't as good as other baseline dashes

patent ibex Dec 12, 2019, 9:07 PM

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So I just bought the game, and I gotta say I'm loving it coming from Dead Cells

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I got to the Minotaur and Theseus fight on my 3rd~4th run, and I was just wondering if its supposed to be a really long drawn out fight, or am I just underpowered since I'm still early on in the game?

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 9:08 PM

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It's supposed to be a difficult fight.

atomic panther Dec 12, 2019, 9:08 PM

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A bit of both

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Without the right build the fight can be a real slog

patent ibex Dec 12, 2019, 9:12 PM

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I had the spear and a good bonus for backstab damage I think, it dealt like 180 each time with crits, but it still took sooo long

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I got there later on with the shield and I barely scratched them with the melee hits.

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Is it because I took the bad boons or is it supposed to be easier the more stuff you upgrade? because so far I haven't seen anything that straight up buffs damage in the mirror or anywhere else

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 9:18 PM

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well you get things like privileged status

icy edge Dec 12, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Late mirror upgrades make better rarity boons likelier, and come contractor upgrades increase the amount of poms... other than that, its just build and strategy

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 9:19 PM

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and the spear is ihmo the weakest weapon in the game especialy compared to the shield

icy edge Dec 12, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Some people swear by spear, I can barely beat hydra with it.

I think the point is just to spam special though, but I refuse to believe its that dumb

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Spear with Artemis, Explosive Launcher, and Swift Strike is terrifying.

icy edge Dec 12, 2019, 9:21 PM

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So uh, special it is xD

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 9:22 PM

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It's also amazing with Artemis, Quick Spin, and Massive Spin.

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Flurry Jab's gotten better, too.

icy edge Dec 12, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Ok, yeah, and that was amazing before Elysium was a thing, too

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Imma stick to the others, spear's flow just doesnt mesh with me

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 9:23 PM

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If I don't spawn into one of those...

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Spear has my fewest clears for a reason.

icy edge Dec 12, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Mood

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Hades aspect helps a bit

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 9:24 PM

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I guess if you had Explosive Launcher, but I prefer the speed of Zag Aspect.

eternal stag Dec 12, 2019, 9:25 PM

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flurry jab is my favorite if i'm going on spear, but yeah, it's not my preferred weapon

icy edge Dec 12, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Chaos shield definitely my favorite, with the exception of zeus/dio on zeus shield

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 9:26 PM

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the problem is the whole charge up thing gets totaly killed by +50% speed pact

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 9:26 PM

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I neeever run maxed Forced Overtime.

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 9:26 PM

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special spam works but ... boring

blazing mulch Dec 12, 2019, 9:26 PM

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ohh comon, Now i want to play flurry jab while i wanted to take a shower and go sleep to wake up for the stupid hour in night for TGA (2.30am in EU for me..)

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 9:26 PM

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explosive launcher, zag and press one button

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Burmaz, should give Chaos Aspect with Blight Flourish a try.

icy edge Dec 12, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Did, people gave me flak here, said I should just run hexagryph 'like a normal person'

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But yea, its amazing

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 9:27 PM

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i love chaos aspect with ares 😄

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doom whole rooms in one go

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Ignore people telling you to not play something.

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 9:28 PM

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get the weak duo boon alonge and enjoy

icy edge Dec 12, 2019, 9:28 PM

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I know, but its still unbecoming

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if I want someone telling me what i can or cant do, ill talk to Hades

patent ibex Dec 12, 2019, 9:31 PM

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So biggest DPS is shield? I'll give it a try

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Probably Merciful End with the Rail.

patent ibex Dec 12, 2019, 9:32 PM

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I have no idea what Merciful End is, a Boon?

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 9:32 PM

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But that's a very specific set-up. Shield has good damage with lots and lots of i-frames and large attacks that hit multiple targets.

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It's a Duo boon, probably don't need to worry about it for now.

patent ibex Dec 12, 2019, 9:33 PM

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I already got one Duo Boon, do they come by more often later on?

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 9:33 PM

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They come and go.

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Sometimes they'll appear extremely quickly and you'll end up with a bunch of Duos and Legendaries, and other times you'll be picking up boons from one god the entire game and get nothing.

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 9:34 PM

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shield is extremly save to beat the game the first time

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with chaos shield aspect you can make the otherwise not very good special really usefull

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but bullrush + block ... shield is strong out of the box

summer pendant Dec 12, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Final boss lasers like to stick on me 😦

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Those lasers are very annoying, and I don't think they're functioning 100% properly right now.

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 9:39 PM

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they do nothing if you stand on top of him

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his best ability you can do damage without any need to dodge

summer pendant Dec 12, 2019, 9:40 PM

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I will try that, ty

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 9:40 PM

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they look a lot more scary than they are 😄

patent ibex Dec 12, 2019, 9:41 PM

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@frank fern Block? How do you block with shield?

ember pumice Dec 12, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Click and hold

patent ibex Dec 12, 2019, 9:41 PM

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The charge dash?

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It also blocks damage?

ember pumice Dec 12, 2019, 9:41 PM

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yes

summer pendant Dec 12, 2019, 9:41 PM

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yeah while holding

patent ibex Dec 12, 2019, 9:42 PM

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cool, and you get iframes while dashing right?

frank fern Dec 12, 2019, 9:43 PM

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yes

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bullrush is mobility + aoe damage

limber cipher Dec 12, 2019, 10:12 PM

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i honestly forgot about survival encounters. has anyone else not gotten them in forever?

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 10:12 PM

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I get them enough.

daring moon Dec 12, 2019, 10:21 PM

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What's the average amount of attempts to clear the game for the first time?

limber cipher Dec 12, 2019, 10:22 PM

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2-3

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jk i think i was around attempt 40?

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Oh, okay, I was about to be super snarky.

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Yeah, expect to bash your head against a wall for a while.

limber cipher Dec 12, 2019, 10:23 PM

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but with interesting character dialogue and fun upgrades to tide you over until then

daring moon Dec 12, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Well, I just made it to the final area and the final boss on attempt 19

limber cipher Dec 12, 2019, 10:23 PM

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ah dang, nice

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 10:23 PM

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That's really good!

daring moon Dec 12, 2019, 10:24 PM

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but, I did get very lucky before the boss on floor 3, replenished both of my death defies lol

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So I probs would have died at floor 3 anyway

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But thanks 😄

manic ermine Dec 12, 2019, 10:26 PM

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I do almost exclusively tight deadline so survival rooms dont show

limber cipher Dec 12, 2019, 10:26 PM

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oh i didnt know that they didnt show up lol

blazing mulch Dec 12, 2019, 10:31 PM

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https://imgur.com/0laqTt1
New record , nice

Imgur

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 10:40 PM

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You're rooted during the Charged Shot animation, huh? No dashing out of it?

limber cipher Dec 12, 2019, 10:41 PM

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you mean the shield upgrade? yeah. i'm not a huge fan of how it feels in general.

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super sluggish and way too different from how you're used to playing with the shield imo

turbid needle Dec 12, 2019, 10:42 PM

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If I could Dash out of that I'd be okay.

terse coral Dec 13, 2019, 2:17 AM

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does dash have i-frame?

tacit jetty Dec 13, 2019, 2:19 AM

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Yeah

tawny ivy Dec 13, 2019, 3:50 AM

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does anyone else have a strong liking for one miniboss over the other?

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like when I'm in Asphodel, i always get excited when the murderboat pops up and dread when it's the megagorgon

turbid needle Dec 13, 2019, 3:59 AM

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I love the Asterius miniboss fight.

tawny ivy Dec 13, 2019, 4:01 AM

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SAME. the butterfly ball has a terrible personality.

turbid needle Dec 13, 2019, 4:06 AM

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1-38. Almost skunked Than.

turbid needle Dec 13, 2019, 4:40 AM

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Did You Know: Deflecting Splitters' big blast directly will instagib a non-Heat Splitter.

austere slate Dec 13, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Ok, on the second level using the initial sword, encountered a room with mini chariots that was literally impossible -- they were buffed to explode upon death. After 10 or so play-throughs, this was the most broken part to me

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Love this game so far otherwise

modest flint Dec 13, 2019, 5:14 AM

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Oh, on Elysium? yea I have't really figured out how to deal with those little guys either.

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I just dash like mad and pray

austere slate Dec 13, 2019, 5:15 AM

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No -- it was the 2nd floor, @modest flint , Elysium is the 3rd

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dash/avoidance did nothing

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it keeps making the bow and arrow seem OP

wind vale Dec 13, 2019, 5:17 AM

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the chariots(and mini chariots) should only exist in elysium

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unless you went into a heat gate - they can have enemies from other areas

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as for the mini suiciding chariots - the only real way for the sword to deal with it i have(as long as you dont have a cast that can handle them) is to run away and try to make them run into obstacles

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they will immediately explode - however i gotta say that can sometimes feel a bit wonky but already got a lot better and will probably continue to improve(i hope)

tawny ivy Dec 13, 2019, 5:22 AM

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i prefer using doom or poison on those. or i guess you could use your special's knockback. piercing wave (daedalus) will give your attack some range but it's not that strong

wind vale Dec 13, 2019, 5:31 AM

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is the small armor symbol on enemy healthbars new from the last update?

civic barn Dec 13, 2019, 6:17 AM

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what's the difference when a boss or trial room symbol has a tiny green or red ^ mark to it?

wet dagger Dec 13, 2019, 6:20 AM

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take a picture of the bit u mean!

civic barn Dec 13, 2019, 6:24 AM

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give me just one moment then...going to have to run into it first

wind vale Dec 13, 2019, 6:29 AM

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i didnt even see the arrows at all before someone pointed it out here 😄

wet dagger Dec 13, 2019, 6:29 AM

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we been looking at the game so long, we forget how some details are!!

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Or... they change between updates ....

wind vale Dec 13, 2019, 6:30 AM

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and im absulutely not sure but are the red arrows always with god boons and the green ones with the meta progression rewards on the doors, when it got a skull?

wet dagger Dec 13, 2019, 6:30 AM

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when it has a lil skull in the orb, it's a mini-boss battle

wind vale Dec 13, 2019, 6:31 AM

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only if its a god boon

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never saw anything giving information in the arrows i didnt get from the skull already

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meta currency rooms with a skull are just a bit harder, more often armored enemies but its a normal room

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 6:33 AM

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can you respec weapon aspects?

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just unlocked it so I wanted to check lol

fathom crescent Dec 13, 2019, 6:34 AM

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yes you can change the aspect for any other aspect you unlocked before starting the run

wind vale Dec 13, 2019, 6:35 AM

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you can always switch to another one(and always have a lvl0 version of the zagreus aspect unlocked)

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but you only get your titan bloods back if you didnt save using them(meaning never left the room with skelly when trying them out or giving up a run) - once its saved the unlock is final

civic barn Dec 13, 2019, 7:32 AM

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https://imgur.com/cGr8sAy
https://imgur.com/U6ot4MU

Imgur

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that's what i was referring to in an earlier question about the red mark

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not sure if that's the distinction for trials but i feel like ive seen a trial with the red mark before

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but i might be have mistaken

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 7:36 AM

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first is a harder chamber, second is mini-boss

civic barn Dec 13, 2019, 7:37 AM

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wait, is there a difference for trial of the gods' rooms?

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in terms of difficulty

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 7:38 AM

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I think so? Pretty sure that it is a thing.

civic barn Dec 13, 2019, 7:39 AM

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so you can get trial rooms with the red mark on it?

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which i assume is just a mini-boss indicator

thorny tiger Dec 13, 2019, 7:44 AM

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Hey there! I was watching the stream yesterday and Darren talked about how he prefers a controller to play the game. I don't currently own a controller to hook up to my PC and wondered if anyone had a recommendation

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 7:45 AM

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I have a controller

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but honestly I prefer mouse and keyboard

thorny tiger Dec 13, 2019, 7:46 AM

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I know from my experience playing games on my PC that if it's a game like portal where I can take my time and plan, the mouse and keyboard is fine

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but something where I'm making lots of decisions in real time, I'm just a lot more comfortable with a controller

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but I've never purchased a controller for the pc so I wasn't sure what to look for

civic barn Dec 13, 2019, 7:46 AM

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i'm new and tried out both; it feels a lot easier to aim with a mouse, and i like having the convenience of mapping the cast on to my mouse

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any big name console controller should work fine with steam, albeit sometimes with a bit of setup. I have a PS4 controller just for my PC

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 7:48 AM

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I just bought like a non official xbox controller a while ago

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wasn't expensive at all and it has no problems

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you don't have to buy the 'official' controllers or whatever you want to call them

thorny tiger Dec 13, 2019, 7:49 AM

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mmk, I'll take a look for that

pastel jolt Dec 13, 2019, 7:54 AM

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i use an xbox 360 wired controller and i’ve never had issues with it

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i like the bulkier size even though i have quite small hands, it’s a lot comfier to use

thorny tiger Dec 13, 2019, 7:55 AM

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thanks, that's good to know

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sadly I'm traveling for the next 3 weeks and my PC has to wait at home... school is out and Hades is out and I have to wait 3 weeks to play it T_T

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but while I'm traveling I'm hoping to find a controller

atomic panther Dec 13, 2019, 7:57 AM

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Good luck on your search, and have a good trip!

thorny tiger Dec 13, 2019, 7:57 AM

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thanks 🙂 I'll be in Korea so they're bound to have something there

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currently living in Senegal so finding electronics here that are inexpensive doesn't exist, and shipping here is also like... not a possibility

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 8:19 AM

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so after playing hades for like 7 hours straight today with some annoying losses to hades in the final chamber, i've learned a few things:

patroclus's kiss of styx premium/deluxe doesnt do anything if you have 3 unused death defiances, so dont pick it
if use the mort (the doll, it's strangely adorable )thanatos shows up in all the boss chambers except...hades...dammit...i learned that the hard way 😂 😩 (had 2 saved up, thinking i was going to be able to deal 6000 damage to hades no questions asked and...couldnt...lol)

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@wind vale wrote: "as for the mini suiciding chariots - the only real way for the sword to deal with it i have(as long as you dont have a cast that can handle them) is to run away and try to make them run into obstacles"

disagree,
if i'm using stygian blade or aegis shield (5 max disk version) and i have ares special, i spam that...

civic barn Dec 13, 2019, 8:25 AM

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poseidon's flourish would work too wouldn't it

turbid arch Dec 13, 2019, 8:49 AM

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How much Heat does it take to unlock the final reward from Skelly?

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 8:49 AM

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32

turbid arch Dec 13, 2019, 8:50 AM

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That is a lot!

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 8:52 AM

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Yeah 32/45 is indeed a lot of heat.

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 9:44 AM

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is heroic below legendary?

tawny ivy Dec 13, 2019, 9:57 AM

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legendary is its own category, like duo; heroic is part of the common - rare - epic - heroic progression. hope that made sense 😅

rancid fractal Dec 13, 2019, 9:58 AM

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what’s the effect of ||gifting bouldy nectar||?

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 9:58 AM

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yea, i would say so...there's nothing special about heroic other than one epic boon was traded for another epic boon thereby giving it "heroic" status

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legendaries are the best boons imo

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has anyone beaten the game at 45 heat (in the new format)? i'd like to see a stream of what that looks like

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i've searched on youtube and i get videos of 120+ or 160 heat runs before the heat system was reworked

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@civic barn hmm...i haven't tried it but his dash should work especially with razor shoals

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:02 AM

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okay I just got this boon that reapplies doom on weak enemies

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it's actually so good

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 10:02 AM

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the duo boon?

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:02 AM

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yeah

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 10:02 AM

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yeah, it's freaking amazing

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when i get it i usually have aphrodite's weak on dash and ares' attack and special

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:03 AM

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I also have one that triggers revenge without you having to take damage

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pretty nuts

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 10:03 AM

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helps to have hermes +3 dash

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so i dash all over the place

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:03 AM

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I have hermes +2 dash

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so I've got 4 dashes

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 10:03 AM

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and then hit them with ares special on shield with max 5 disk

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:04 AM

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ye I've got shield

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I haven't upgraded any aspects yet

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I just unlocked and I don't want to waste any blood right now

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 10:04 AM

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bascially

shield
aphrodite Dash
ares attack or special, preferably both
hermes dash boon
ares + aphrodite synergy boon
PROFIT

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i've been experimenting with the other weapons and i struggle a lot with the spear, probably my worst weapon

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started out on stygian blade like 3 (or maybe 4) updates ago

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just cant get the hang of the spear no matter what combination of boons i try

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:07 AM

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I just got the game like 2 days ago

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since it's out on steam now

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 10:07 AM

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@unique vigil
i forgot to mention, the shield basically becomes the best weapon if you get the exploding return on shield, has a large AOE and it makes the game so much easier

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:08 AM

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yeah I have that

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 10:08 AM

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@unique vigil
i see...i'm playing on epic games

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:08 AM

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I've made it up to the 2nd phase of the final boss

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this run is looking like I might be able to beat it

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 10:08 AM

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if you have that combo, you should be able to beat him

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do you have a call?

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having a call is helpful because it basically rewards you for doing a lot of damage quickly

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adds another "go to" move for you and can flip that final battle in a cinch

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:10 AM

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I have the zeus one rn

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 10:10 AM

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ok yea

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:10 AM

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I just beat theseus and the minotaur

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 10:10 AM

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good, good

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how many death defiances do you have remaining?

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:11 AM

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1 normal and 1 from skelly

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 10:11 AM

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you should be fine

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but i prefer the broken spearpoint (patroclus keepsake) because it helps against the annoying poison hits in the sewers

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:13 AM

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not sure where you get that from

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 10:13 AM

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oh...hmmm...

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:13 AM

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is patroclus that shade dude in elysium?

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 10:13 AM

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yes

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the guy sitting on a bench

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:13 AM

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I just saw him for the 1st time on this run

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 10:13 AM

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yeah, his keepsake is super useful especially for temple of styx

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i use his keepsake the most

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helps protect against a lot of damage

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basically gives you a version of athena's impervious shield for 1.5 seconds (max 3 rank) after everytime you get hit

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:16 AM

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I just unlocked a 3rd revenge boom

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with auto revenge

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bruh

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well

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I died

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lol

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 10:23 AM

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Everything with spear changes after you learn that spin-attack can be released at the end of a dash

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And recovery animation also canceled by dash.

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 10:25 AM

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idk what to do with my aspects

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I feel like I just have to use the 1 weapon that I upgrade once I use my blood

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 10:29 AM

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I prefer taking a weapon, clearing some bounties with it, and keep that earned blood on that weapon.

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 11:18 AM

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"Everything with spear changes after you learn that spin-attack can be released at the end of a dash
And recovery animation also canceled by dash."

Hmmm...I tried messing around with the mechanics but then I started getting some legit boons and I kinda went from fooling around to getting half-serious...I figured there were some things I was missing.

Thanks for the tip.

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/I should've fooled around in the chamber courtyard with skelly before going for a run...

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 11:21 AM

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It was even better before it stopped doing backstab damage.

neon bough Dec 13, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Ok so definitely my favourite build :
Zagreus Rail
Flurry Fire hammer (faster + 6 ammos)
Zeus' attack & legendary
Artemis' thingy that adds a projectile to each attack
If you can, Hermes' attack

=== maximum J U I C E, just wrecks everything very fast in the most satisfying way

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 11:24 AM

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Works the same way on a spear

neon bough Dec 13, 2019, 11:24 AM

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Yeah but spear isn't as fast, especially with Flurry Fire & Hermes, so you don't get half as much profit from Zeus' boons

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 11:27 AM

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A resonable tradeoff for stagger on attacks.

fast thicket Dec 13, 2019, 12:00 PM

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Spear is good with that dash attack, if you just spam that, and it can stop chariots

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but for my rail: Eris Rail

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Daedalus mod that makes me able to use special 3 times in rapid succession

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Ares doom special mod

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thats it

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 12:02 PM

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About Eris... It's a All-damage buff or weapon only?

fast thicket Dec 13, 2019, 12:02 PM

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idk

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ill check now

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Looks like all damage

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 12:04 PM

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Now it makes much more sence.

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Thanks

fast thicket Dec 13, 2019, 12:04 PM

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Yeah

undone grove Dec 13, 2019, 12:42 PM

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Is Hades good with keyboard or controller very much needed ?

fathom crescent Dec 13, 2019, 12:46 PM

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I play Hades only with keyboard and mouse and I feel it's ok

gentle maple Dec 13, 2019, 12:46 PM

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Same here

undone grove Dec 13, 2019, 12:46 PM

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good

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 12:46 PM

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Use what you used to

undone grove Dec 13, 2019, 12:50 PM

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I have beaten Bastion with K+M

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including some of the hard challenges

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so I will give it a try for Hades as well !

fast thicket Dec 13, 2019, 12:54 PM

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Chiron bow aspect actually works well

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im surprised

unique vigil Dec 13, 2019, 1:21 PM

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hades feels really good with keyboard and mouse

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I've tried it with controller a bit too

feral wagon Dec 13, 2019, 1:27 PM

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dire misfurtune boon of ares

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you doom effects deal more dmg when applied mlt times

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can someone explain me how exactly it works?

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 1:29 PM

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You slap a man with doom you get a hit for... let say 70 doom damage. Then you have that boon if you slap a man with doom and another slap before doom hits final doom hit is 70+ amount on the Dire misfortune

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Kinda crap tbh

feral wagon Dec 13, 2019, 1:30 PM

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are the stacks clear once doom proc?

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Yes so usually you can sneak at max 2-3 attack in

wind vale Dec 13, 2019, 1:31 PM

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its possible to get very high damage doom hits from it

feral wagon Dec 13, 2019, 1:31 PM

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im on the auto aim special bow

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 1:31 PM

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what does proc mean/stand for?

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Chiron can make some use I guess.

feral wagon Dec 13, 2019, 1:32 PM

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im not native, so if my sentence might be incorrect

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 1:32 PM

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it's fine, i think it's video game lingo, i've seen it used on this board before

errant narwhal Dec 13, 2019, 1:32 PM

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proc means "activate" i think

kind cloud Dec 13, 2019, 1:32 PM

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oh, ok

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thanx

wind vale Dec 13, 2019, 1:33 PM

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lets say you have doom on chiron bow special with lots of arrows, and the impending doom buff as well - it all adds up and can hit for really high numbers in the end

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that should usually be combined with bonus from privileged status, maybe others and it is nice damage

frosty pier Dec 13, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Cool, now we have whole one case of DM being usefull. That's something.

wind vale Dec 13, 2019, 1:35 PM

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you could probably do something with rail autofire as well

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but overall there arent as many quick attack builds

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its just additional damage if you attack too fast for doom - and doom is hard to buff in general

feral wagon Dec 13, 2019, 1:37 PM

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thank you lads u rock

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btw how excatly daedalus hammer works

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for example

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im playin chifon aspect now, i need both rapidfire and plus ammo special

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if they are both in the same option, i pick ammo for example, other 2 options wash off?

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the pool

wind vale Dec 13, 2019, 1:38 PM

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it is possible to get options you did not pick offered again on the second hammer

feral wagon Dec 13, 2019, 1:39 PM

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yea that what im asking for

wind vale Dec 13, 2019, 1:39 PM

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not really sure if the chance is reduced but its definitely possible

strong thorn Dec 13, 2019, 1:41 PM

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what happens with pact rewards if you take a level of heat higher than your heat gauge?

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like if i had rewards on a weapon for both 0 and 1 heat

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and it was recommending i do 2 heat

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but i actually do 3 heat

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do i just get the rewards from 3 heat but the rewards from 2 remain to be gotten?

wind vale Dec 13, 2019, 1:41 PM

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then it counts as if you did 2 heat

feral wagon Dec 13, 2019, 1:42 PM

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you got the reward of privious heat

wind vale Dec 13, 2019, 1:42 PM

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the rewards are the same for each level anyways

strong thorn Dec 13, 2019, 1:42 PM

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do i have to do 4 heat afterwards to get the next wave of rewards or would it be 3 heat

wind vale Dec 13, 2019, 1:43 PM

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it is always the lowest level you did not get the bounties for - so in this case, since it counted as you doing 2 heat before, this will now count as 3

feral wagon Dec 13, 2019, 1:43 PM

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let me explain you, you can go any ammount the heat you want, but you cant step in next level of rewards once you finish current

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so even if you pick 10 heat from the start you will need 10 full game finishes to get all the rewards

strong thorn Dec 13, 2019, 1:45 PM

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thank you

feral wagon Dec 13, 2019, 1:50 PM

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@wind vale you were correct you have a chance of getting other 2 options on daedalus hammer i just got one of the priviuos

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on your second one

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is there any special rewards once i buy all this highly costing decore options?

proud storm Dec 13, 2019, 1:59 PM

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it looks good and you get the narrator to talk about it

feral wagon Dec 13, 2019, 1:59 PM

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ha-ha