#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 287

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 2:02 AM

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well... any hammer almost with hestia = OP

brisk island Dec 8, 2019, 2:14 AM

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right... l think.. l remember when it could combine together. I'm confused.

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 2:26 AM

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yup, it could

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but it was an absolutely broken

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and amazing too

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It's kind of shame

autumn tapir Dec 8, 2019, 2:27 AM

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ha
I exchanged an Artemis attack boon for Ares attack boon, got to Styx, then exchanged the Ares attack boon for a Heroic Artemis attack boon

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stonks

limber copper Dec 8, 2019, 2:37 AM

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Hey, do rats do random damage now or something?

quartz remnant Dec 8, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Question: I had Thanatos appear and I died during the fight, so I didn't 'unlock' Thanatos. I haven't seen him since and it's been about 10 runs.

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Is there a way to make Thanatos trigger?

eternal stag Dec 8, 2019, 3:32 AM

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iirc it's random chance but you have to have taken damage within the last five chambers.....?

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also i've never seen him in tartarus

autumn tapir Dec 8, 2019, 3:33 AM

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he can appear in tartarus, although I believe it is a significantly lower chance than other regions

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he definitely can't appear in styx I think

quartz remnant Dec 8, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Hm, I've been pretty good about avoiding damage...

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I'll try being bad and see if that works.

quartz remnant Dec 8, 2019, 5:03 AM

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Done another couple runs and nothing still. 😦 Did it bug out?

hybrid frost Dec 8, 2019, 5:32 AM

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I bought an Infernal Trove item from Charon's Well while in Styx and it never showed up. If Troves are not allowed to spawn there, then why is the item offered?

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 5:32 AM

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They can spawn in Styx. I don't know why the Tracker doesn't always work, though.

hybrid frost Dec 8, 2019, 5:33 AM

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So, it should be an F10 target then.

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Actually, I've never yet had a Trove spawn in Styx.

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Can they not occur naturally?

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 5:35 AM

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They can.

hybrid frost Dec 8, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Really? So, 60 something runs since Styx has been a thing and I've never seen one.

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What kind of odds are those?

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I've seen Charon Wells and Blood Fountains but no Troves.

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 5:38 AM

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I will take a picture next time I see one.

hybrid frost Dec 8, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Oh, I believe you.

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It's just, you've got me shook that some RNG spirit has cursed my game.

native wing Dec 8, 2019, 6:49 AM

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What are you supposed to do with the shield? So far I've been doing chaos aspect with poison special for instant stacks, but I feel like it won't hold up in higher heat levels

vagrant mirage Dec 8, 2019, 7:39 AM

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I usually do RAM BASH HIT REPEAT

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works every time

pure basin Dec 8, 2019, 7:42 AM

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Does anyone have any tips for using the sword? So far my bread and butter is Special>dodge>dodge(hit)>Attack(hit)>dodge>Dash Attack(hit)>repeat It is a very chaotic playstyle and I don't think I'm good enough to pull it off yet (only been to third level in hell mode)

vagrant mirage Dec 8, 2019, 7:43 AM

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Which sword you use?

pure basin Dec 8, 2019, 7:43 AM

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base sword

empty canopy Dec 8, 2019, 10:41 AM

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Serious question: does siding with a god on trials affect your relationship with the other god in terms of relationship values, or is is just a "Ok we cool when you wreck these guys" type thing

woeful stirrup Dec 8, 2019, 10:46 AM

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The latter.

feral wagon Dec 8, 2019, 10:53 AM

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yo folks

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can someone explain to me what is the ambiguilty bonus is

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is just fed nectar to boulder n this happen

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||https://puu.sh/EN7XV/2544e13fda.png||

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any ideas?

empty canopy Dec 8, 2019, 10:56 AM

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I don't know what the bonus does but I THINK it increases gthe more nectar you give him

little grotto Dec 8, 2019, 10:58 AM

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hey there, in the final bossfight, the summoned urns that when popped summon hands reaching out from the ground, do they count as traps? cause i think i just took 135 dmg from them

feral wagon Dec 8, 2019, 10:59 AM

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trap punishment?

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if number is so high probably counted as traps

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never picking trap punishment myself, on the fourth biome it really recks

little grotto Dec 8, 2019, 11:02 AM

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yes i was using trap punishment

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i dont know why those urns count as traps tho, i always thought thats a boss ability

feral wagon Dec 8, 2019, 11:04 AM

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if u r not touching em they are not activated

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also circle form the skull can activate em

chrome viper Dec 8, 2019, 11:05 AM

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the only object summoned by a boss? I'd be more surprised if it didn't count as a trap

feral wagon Dec 8, 2019, 11:05 AM

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not only object

empty canopy Dec 8, 2019, 11:05 AM

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Imagine beater the final boss then knocking over a vase and dying

blazing mulch Dec 8, 2019, 11:10 AM

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Still better than dying in garden with little shovel

feral wagon Dec 8, 2019, 11:18 AM

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so nobody know what this bonus is ?

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||https://puu.sh/EN7XV/2544e13fda.png||

woeful stirrup Dec 8, 2019, 11:19 AM

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If you hover over it, is there no tooltip that pops up to explain it?

feral wagon Dec 8, 2019, 11:20 AM

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nope

empty canopy Dec 8, 2019, 11:22 AM

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keeping feeding him nectar, see wut happens

proud storm Dec 8, 2019, 11:27 AM

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zag fighting meg https://i.imgur.com/uhpGL9H.jpg

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feral wagon Dec 8, 2019, 11:28 AM

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https://puu.sh/EN7XT/549c73c415.png

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this run is so "bad"

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perfect chaos perks, and nobody, none of this useless gods offer me dmg atack

proud storm Dec 8, 2019, 11:31 AM

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thats what you get for not believing in bouldy

feral wagon Dec 8, 2019, 11:34 AM

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btw extreme measurements fighting minotaur duo boss seems easier, then harder

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as for me

gloomy scroll Dec 8, 2019, 12:02 PM

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Just gives them way much health for me

wooden spade Dec 8, 2019, 1:16 PM

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I ||spoke to Bouldy|| for the first time in my last run and honestly I feel blessed

woeful stirrup Dec 8, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Just lost a Hera aspect run. Never got a cast boon. The only thing I had was Zeus call and Dionysus dash (also the nectar boon from Dio, never got another nectar, and the one that gets you health back if you're under a threshold). Dio's dash is way underpowered, imo, with a radius that's so small that, quite often, you don't even poison the enemies when they appear to be inside of it.

little grotto Dec 8, 2019, 2:11 PM

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is it just me or the sisyphus chamber got extremely rare

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i havent seen him a whole lot before either but since the update i havent seen his chamber at all

eternal rapids Dec 8, 2019, 2:24 PM

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same i haven't seen sisyphus or eurydice

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does anyone know how impending doom works?
Your Doom effects deal more damage, after +0.5 Sec.
I don't get what this desc means

little grotto Dec 8, 2019, 2:26 PM

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the doom is the dmg the enemy suffers if you hit it with the buffed ability

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now with this, the dmg will be dealt later but will be stronger

eternal rapids Dec 8, 2019, 2:27 PM

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ohhhh

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i didn't realize it meant the doom damage was +0.5 seconds later i thought that was when the buff kicked in

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i understand now, thank you ✨

little grotto Dec 8, 2019, 2:28 PM

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you will see the sword hovering above their head longer and will eventually fall

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also, keep in mind, that if you upgrade this effect with pome it will increase the dmg as well as add another extra 0.5 sec

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last time i went with a build like that was before patch so im not 100% sure its still the same but after like 3 upgrades the doom dealt 150% extra dmg and i didnt understand at first why it takes 2-3 seconds to hit

gloomy scroll Dec 8, 2019, 2:31 PM

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divine protection on chamber 11 rng bless

little grotto Dec 8, 2019, 2:48 PM

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wow i got my dankest spear attack dmg stacking build ever

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59%+70%+61%+91%dmg on attack +21% attack speed

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though i do miss some survivability

ember lotus Dec 8, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Has the suction effect on engulfing vortex been weakened? Chariots and Asterius are flying through it with nary a pause.

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The cast on this run is looking like a dead end

proud storm Dec 8, 2019, 3:54 PM

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probably because they're fast enemies

ember lotus Dec 8, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Oh right. That makes sense

dull flume Dec 8, 2019, 3:59 PM

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@empty canopy From what I understand, the God you side with in a trial gives you better picks of boons, or at least more chance to get a higher rarity boon than the one you have to fight

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That said... never not pick Athena because those freaking invul monsters are a pain.

quaint talon Dec 8, 2019, 4:38 PM

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I had doom damage on my spear special. When I angered Ares during a trial, my doom no longer effect enemies during that particular fight. Has this always been the case?

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 4:39 PM

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That would be weird, but

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I cant say Ive ever used ares on spear special

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 5:55 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/AvSDoQ1

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this feeling when you have chaos shield with double strike on 60% and zeus special

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and support fire with pressure points

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Thatd be busted if you had Zeus attack

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 5:58 PM

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um...

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do you know that I can throw 5 duplicate shields and each one can activate multiple zeus effects ?

woeful stirrup Dec 8, 2019, 6:00 PM

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So, is it normal that Nectar can level up legendary boons?

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Wait, you can get multiple bolts with one special?

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Thats weird

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You used to not be able to

woeful stirrup Dec 8, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Also, are we in agreement that 40s cooldown for Athena's legendary is worse than 20s cooldown?

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Because I think I just got scammed.

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:01 PM

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That makes it better I guess, though Id still say mashing attack is more effective then bull charging, throwing a special, and waiting for them to re turn

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:02 PM

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oh well

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it wasn't nearly as good as I though

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well, it's only 13:55:26

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Wait, thats the full clear time?

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:03 PM

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yeah

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Ill be damned, thats fast

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Your links broken

woeful stirrup Dec 8, 2019, 6:03 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/6QFW8sE.png

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turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:03 PM

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my link is showing the satyr sack room

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Jesus why

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:04 PM

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F10 it

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Its a bug I imagine

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:04 PM

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might as well delete the legendary then

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:04 PM

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I think duo boons also could be upgraded

proud storm Dec 8, 2019, 6:04 PM

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LMAO THE NECTAR MADE IT WORSE

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Tbh I couldnt tell its the satyr sack room

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Also didnt notice the time counter

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Does the time keep going if youre paused or reading?

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:05 PM

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nope

woeful stirrup Dec 8, 2019, 6:05 PM

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I wouldn't mind such a bug if it made it better, but making it worse? stumptLol

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:05 PM

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^

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honestly I wouldn't even mind if nectar could upgrade legendaries

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that would be "Just RNG"

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Huh

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Wonder where Im losing so much time then

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:06 PM

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what weapon are you using ?

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Hestia Rail for my fastest time

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Because its ridiculously busted

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:06 PM

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oh yeah...

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I was also having busted hestia rail times

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but that was because well

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dash

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not working in this patch though

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shame, I liked the idea of being able to pull off the 11:05

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:07 PM

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I think in my last run I just oneshot regular enemies, two-shot armoured enemies, and managed to clear boss phases in at most 3 shots

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But I still only got 18 minutes

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:07 PM

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I usually focus on 3 things I guess

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good boon combination, hammers and room structure

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obviously for each weapon all is different except for room structure

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:08 PM

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I just try to pump the damage as high as possible, while maintaining 3 death defiances

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Then again, I guess I do take a lot of detours for damage purposes

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:08 PM

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I usually don't take detours myself

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they waste most of the time

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it's literally like this :

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Take chaos almost always unless Hammer pretty much if I don't have hammer I need

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or unless there is some really compatible god

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but then it really does depend if it's beginning or later on

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as later on chaos value rises

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because well...

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Gods are gonna give you more and more trashy boons as it goes

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I usually avoid taking call because well...

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Calls suck

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they don't provide any real firepower unless you fight long fights... and that's not what you want to do

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:11 PM

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I try to spawn as many Chaos rooms as I can get, take hammers ASAP

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And I do take Ares's Aid usually

woeful stirrup Dec 8, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Alright, did some Science against a rat, the barrier still comes back after 20s, not 40s, so the boon has not actually changed despite the tool tip. Still reported it.

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Pretty much just as an "oh crap" button

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Which also does acceptable damage

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Doesnt Chaos wast time though?

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:11 PM

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he does, but he can also provide stronger buffs

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I got in that run

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+60% more gold earned from chaos

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It's pretty profitable

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as that 60% gold pretty much snowballed me throughout the game

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almost every shop but Styx I bought everything I wanted

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but also Chaos gives attack/special/cast % boost

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which is especially broken if you go for non-% boost attack/special/cast

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Yeah thats why I try to go for chaos

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For that sweet sweet damage

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Eh, I find if you go for those, the % damage is kind of meh

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Since that means youre usually using a low damage high hit count weapon

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Its great with Artemis though

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:14 PM

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then with good boon combination I tend to go fast for Status Privilege

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as it's huge buff

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to be honest Dio+Aphrodite is pretty damn scary

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Because afaik the % increase doesnt affect stuff like dio zeus or ares

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:15 PM

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but it does influence the pressure points if you go for artemis the support way

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it also influence the status privilege for increase

quartz remnant Dec 8, 2019, 6:22 PM

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On Hell Mode, there's no use for Darkness past 2500, right?

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:23 PM

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it's always 2500 darkness limit if I remember ?

quartz remnant Dec 8, 2019, 6:23 PM

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yeah.

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:23 PM

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so basically yeah

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kinda main reason why I stay away from hell mode lol

quartz remnant Dec 8, 2019, 6:24 PM

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yeah, thinking about restarting on regular mode. I bugged out Thanatos spawning anyway so I don't have him after ~20 escape attempts.

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:24 PM

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what I would give to never see that guy again

empty canopy Dec 8, 2019, 6:28 PM

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I don't get why people hate Than, he's either a free room clear or a max hp buff. i can see why on timed runs but apparently the timer stops on his rooms now so

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:28 PM

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if you wish to speedrun the game this guy's arrival is basically survival room hades except more annoying and intense

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an d he spawned

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in general

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he takes lots more time than any other room in the game, even mini bosses

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the reward he gives you for beating him meanwhile is something... it's not that really great

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usually he also there are much higher hordes spawning, so basically by going to help you, what usually happens? it feels like game punishes you even further

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It kinda feels like if you had this friend who comes "I come to help you" and what happens at this moment is that he usually backstabs you in the back and twists his knife

empty canopy Dec 8, 2019, 6:34 PM

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I won't have that.

It's more like if you had this friend who comes "I come to help you" and what happens at this moment is that he trips, falls over, the knifes goes flying out his hand into your back

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he's TRYING to help but is not doing so

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:34 PM

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and you also trip half second later on your back and knife impales you

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yeah, kinda true...general problem is that Thantos arrival is easily longest encounter in the entire game if we skip the main bosses

quartz remnant Dec 8, 2019, 6:36 PM

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dang, made it to meg on my very first run, got her halfway down before I died. u-u

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much easier when hell mode isn't enabled.

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:39 PM

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yeah, still it's pretty brutal

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when you have no fountains

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no npc encounters...

gloomy scroll Dec 8, 2019, 6:41 PM

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It’s funny I tried hell mode yesterday, made it to meg first run, halfway through them died, second run I got bow, auto 5 heat but I got to Elysium

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Yet normally I’m really not that good at the game

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:41 PM

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because you focused I guess

gloomy scroll Dec 8, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Oh true I played SO safe

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:41 PM

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and then Bow is easier to play through the first areas rather than Sword

gloomy scroll Dec 8, 2019, 6:41 PM

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But like

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So much less hp, buffs, everything it’s so hard starting over

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 6:42 PM

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yeah

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and the lack of fountains

gloomy scroll Dec 8, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Fountains I’m ok with, it’s honestly everything else I notice like dashes, dds, more casts

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Cause the end of area ones are always there

unkempt pagoda Dec 8, 2019, 7:08 PM

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@blissful sedge wrong channel i think, and it means that those convos aren't in the game yet i believe

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locked hearts are ones you can unlock

blissful sedge Dec 8, 2019, 7:08 PM

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I edited it. I didn't mean to hit enter when I did

unkempt pagoda Dec 8, 2019, 7:09 PM

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ah i see, sorry about that!

blissful sedge Dec 8, 2019, 7:09 PM

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What I'm trying to let them know was that It's unclear what that symbol means

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I think it's locked for development, and that symbol will eventually go away which is why we don't have a key, but I'm guessing and I thought we got more development in the story this patch so I don't really know

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Also... For this channel, what the heck is Ambrosia for? I haven't had an opportunity to use it at all

woeful stirrup Dec 8, 2019, 7:16 PM

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4 characters got new hearts, which you can see in the codex (there's a lock on them instead of a clock). Those characters you can gift Ambrosia once you've gotten the event that unlocks those hearts. After that, giving them Ambrosia unlocks their legendary keepsake, which you can level up with more Ambrosia.

little grotto Dec 8, 2019, 8:19 PM

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im just curious, what do you guys roll with when you do pact of punishment?

grand patrol Dec 8, 2019, 8:21 PM

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upping the trap damage is usually easiest for me, and extra furies can be really fun!

proud storm Dec 8, 2019, 8:22 PM

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trap damage is cool and good until one of those falling blades from styx takes out 150hp

grand patrol Dec 8, 2019, 8:23 PM

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you gotta get the athena boon if you think your run can get to styx tbh

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whatsitcalled...sure footing

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Also Urns kill you

proud storm Dec 8, 2019, 8:23 PM

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urns what now

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Anyway, I usually go for one point in extra damage, crank up extreme measures

proud storm Dec 8, 2019, 8:24 PM

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oh u mean the explosive ones

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 8:24 PM

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The Urns in Hades's fight

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They are counted as traps

proud storm Dec 8, 2019, 8:24 PM

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oh yeah thats rough

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Then go for middle management depending on the weapon

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Or keep cranking up the damage

little grotto Dec 8, 2019, 8:24 PM

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yeah i was the one who asked earlier today if the urns counted as traps cause got rekt on one of them one shotting me

proud storm Dec 8, 2019, 8:24 PM

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generally i go for maxed out extreme measures, middle management and forced overtime

little grotto Dec 8, 2019, 8:25 PM

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with 1 level of trap dmg up

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extreme measures and middle management, man thats rough

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 8:26 PM

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I find Extreme Measures to be quite easy actually

proud storm Dec 8, 2019, 8:26 PM

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if anything the worst part of extreme measures is the hydra fight

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 8:26 PM

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The Hydra is the only one thats a bit of a pain, especially on shield

little grotto Dec 8, 2019, 8:28 PM

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i only do jury summons, forced overtime and trap dmg up to 4 heat so far

proud storm Dec 8, 2019, 8:29 PM

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the only times middle management is actually hard is on the murderboat and the styx miniboss rooms

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murderboat spawns like 15 enemies on the boat and you get 2 styx minibosses instead of one

hard holly Dec 8, 2019, 8:33 PM

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I find those to be quite easy, its the teleporting Gorgon that trips me up

feral pumice Dec 8, 2019, 8:35 PM

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I just beat the harsh conditions prophecy on my 500th run!

native ether Dec 8, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Tight Deadline 2, Extreme Measures 3, Forced Overtime 5 atm.

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All the speed

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It randomly doesnt work but that's mostly just due to how Tight Deadline interacts with the game

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if you dont get a really solid setup going into Elysium, you just fail before even getting to Theseus.

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(I'd appreciate a bit more time in the latter 2 biomes tbh)

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Forced Overtime 5 helps speed up boss invul phases and enemy spawns

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so its a tradeoff, makes Alecto a pain though.

hasty mauve Dec 8, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Im almost done with the fatelist

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My boy Bouldy is nowhere to be found

frank fern Dec 8, 2019, 9:27 PM

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meeting asterius as a mini boss in a3 seems like insta death on tight deadline

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even with a good build this guy simply wastes like 45 seconds

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beating a2 with 2 minutes left and meeting a3 final boss with -15 seconds seems "wrong" xD

native ether Dec 8, 2019, 9:29 PM

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both minibosses waste time in elysium

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its honestly better to avoid them if possible

frank fern Dec 8, 2019, 9:29 PM

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the butterfly is okay

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no invu phase

native ether Dec 8, 2019, 9:30 PM

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but something like Dio Rail Spreadshot will melt both of them regardless

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bonus for low tolerance and eris rail

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you can make that build usually fairly consistently by Elysium

frank fern Dec 8, 2019, 9:30 PM

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i tried bow crit just now and its not fast enough

native ether Dec 8, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Bow in general isnt fast enough for timed deadline in my opinion

frank fern Dec 8, 2019, 9:30 PM

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growing a bit tiered to abuse poison / weak on everything

native ether Dec 8, 2019, 9:31 PM

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unless you have Hunting Blades hera bow with Vicious Cycle I dont think bow runs can ever win tight deadline

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yeah but that's just kinda how high heat goes

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the more heat you climb the less strategies work

frank fern Dec 8, 2019, 9:31 PM

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8 stack dot - gg

native ether Dec 8, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Zeus rail is good too but I don't think its as effective

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a cast Poseidon sword run could definitely do it imo

frank fern Dec 8, 2019, 9:32 PM

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i did this worked

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but only on like 13 heat

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so dont know if it really works

native ether Dec 8, 2019, 9:32 PM

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I'd say anything above 15 heat starts to climb into the "high heat territory"

frank fern Dec 8, 2019, 9:33 PM

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reache 18 on bow and 17 on rail 😉 working on it

native ether Dec 8, 2019, 9:33 PM

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once you start getting up to 15-20 you have to take so many points of heat and debuffs the optimal strategies reveal themselves

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Poison is a truly underrated build. Poison is what got me the first ever rail clear at the old 120 heat back when everyone said it was impossible. (and back when Theseus was the final boss)

frank fern Dec 8, 2019, 9:33 PM

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underworld customs is fine for me

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if im not drunk i slowly can even work around the trap damage thing -.-

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anyways thigh deadline is not balanced right now, its a total non issue on a1/2/4 and a killer on a3

turbid needle Dec 8, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Hang on, lemme check my game.

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So, keep in mind this was before the Chiron nerf, but also before the Pact buff, but I have up to 15 Heat (with max TD) cleared on the bow, and my fastest time is exactly 19:24.

frank fern Dec 8, 2019, 9:47 PM

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never made it below 20 on anyting i guess but if the build is running fine is usually thing "a lets see all the rest before hades"

hasty mauve Dec 8, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Tight deadline is kinda iffy on styx

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If you get rng'd with the sack

feral pumice Dec 8, 2019, 10:15 PM

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I beat tight deadline while facing Asterius and the sack being in the fourth hall I checked. It turns out starting with +20% move speed is useful.

full notch Dec 8, 2019, 10:47 PM

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can somebody explain me ,what for is the titans blood?

autumn tapir Dec 8, 2019, 10:49 PM

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It unlocks and upgrades Weapon Aspects, special upgrades for weapons

full notch Dec 8, 2019, 11:04 PM

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@autumn tapir where can i upgrade it ? Cant find it😅

autumn tapir Dec 8, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Might need to do some more runs

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Once you are able to, a little purple vortex thing appears when you select a weapon

full notch Dec 8, 2019, 11:08 PM

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im just starting runs after last update
beat the game two times already,and haven't seen it yet :(
and there's rwo types of ambrosia. Whats the diference?
@autumn tapir

autumn tapir Dec 8, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Small bottle is the standard gift

Big juice box bottle is used once you have gifted someone a lot, and also to upgrade Legendary Keepsakes that you get from later interactions

full notch Dec 8, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Thanks a lot:)
still cant gift anyone a big bootle(

blissful sedge Dec 8, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Neither have I, it's for specific characters that you need to get to a point in the story to be able to gift. Seems unnecessary as a resource to me.

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At least at the rarity it's at. Blocking something behindyd then also having it cost the most valuable resource in the game (equivalent to Titan's Blood) is a pretty insanely high bar. But I also haven't seen any of the rewards yet.

sullen vortex Dec 8, 2019, 11:42 PM

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am i missing something from the patch notes or is the max chiron bow on ly 6 now?

tawdry jackal Dec 8, 2019, 11:54 PM

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yes, I know
I also couldnt believe it at first
and Relentlesss Barrage only adds +4 arrow to the special now
talk about overkill nerfing

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Level 5 Chiron Bow now is 1 arrow more than old Level 1 Chiron Bow, think about this for a moment xp

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it took all the joy out of the bow, ive tried it 5 times so far, all 3 aspects
but none come to par with old chiron bow....

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 12:31 AM

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beat the game two times already,and haven't seen it yet

Do you have all the weapons?

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I believe the requirement now is to have all the weapons, might also be to use each one at least once.

tacit jetty Dec 9, 2019, 12:41 AM

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Pretty sure it's just unlocking all the weapons, I wasn't paying explicit attention before but I don't think I used Exagryph immediately after unlocking it on this newest save...I tend to avoid that weapon if I can lol

blissful sedge Dec 9, 2019, 1:10 AM

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@tacit jetty Interesting that you dislike Rail. I have the easiest time with it. Early on it can be rough, but it has, in my experience, the best Daedalus Hammer upgrades in the game.

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Rail has best hammers in the game no question

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they take the weapon from being a bit meh to one of the best ones if not the best in the game

tacit jetty Dec 9, 2019, 1:17 AM

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I suppose that might be why I don't like it as much, I don't avoid Daedalus upgrades but I don't seek them out the same way I might go for certain boon combinations. The other weapons are enjoyable with Hammer upgrades but Exagryph feels like it requires them

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I guess the one exception there for me would be with the Spear, I love doing spin-to-win builds but they're basically useless without the Quick Spin upgrade

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Rail does have Hestia aspect which is so busted I'm pretty sure you could win without hammers or boons

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Eris is honestly better imo, combines with more boon options and can output damage more consistently, though Hestia is good now (Hestia is pretty pinholed into getting high damage attack modifiers and imo a Dash Attack improvement).

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But the rail is dependent on its hammers for a successful run in most cases.

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:23 AM

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Idk, I find Eris to be a lot weaker

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%damage isn't very good on high attack speed low damage weapons

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 1:23 AM

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dont forget it applies to all damage you do from any source

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:24 AM

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%damage not being good would make hestia a lot weaker

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:24 AM

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Hestia is best with %damage and a dash attack, but honestly it's still great with flurry shot builds, you just get a nice chunk of free damage

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:24 AM

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but its great with shotgun

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:24 AM

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%damage is not great with rails default fire

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It's insane with Hestia because Hestia has high base damage

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:24 AM

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exactly - so hestia doesnt synergize as well with default fire

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 1:25 AM

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I still maintain that the strongest rail build is Eris + Poison Spread Fire. Its insane. If you have a decent Poison you're easily already doing high damage with Hestia alone.

Add in Weak and Low Tolerance, your damage shoots through the roof (and so does your survivability). Pickup a decent wrath with large damage and its even better. You just output insane levels of damage.

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:25 AM

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I had a run where I did 500-1.2k damage on each abot

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:25 AM

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id say not poison but something crit based with shotgun

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:25 AM

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Which meant all enemies died in one shot (two if they had armour), and bosses took like 4 shots for a phase transition

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:25 AM

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and hestia combines very well with it

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Well, Hades did

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 1:26 AM

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eh, crits can work too, Poison is a safer option though. The advantage of Poison is that you do damage while having to do literally nothing (and you do a lot of it)

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Theseus and asterius took é

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3

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And meg and Hydra took 1

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Eh, you have to hit fewer shots with Hestia than poison

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:26 AM

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there is a cap on poison which is why i dont like it with shotgun

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:27 AM

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The only minor issue Hestia has

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Is that you have to manually reload which is mildly annoying

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Poison and Weak is also the easiest way to trigger Privileged Status, which means all your shotgun bullets are doing more damage, and with Low Tolerance, its even better.

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You also get aphro in some way, either on a dash or special. If its on your special, it stacks absurdly well with Eris Aspect.

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:27 AM

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but they dont get buffed so they dont do much damage

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:28 AM

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Eh, privileged status is additive like all non-crit sources

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It's not worth it compared to an aphro or Artemis attack boon

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:28 AM

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aphro is great tho - if you get that to crit from the duo artemis athena

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:28 AM

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Which is why almost none of my builds end up with using privileged status

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:29 AM

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i get athenas curse for privileged status only

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Since Artemis's mark is not effective on bosses, and beyond that I don't go for any of the other ones

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Other than weak

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Since aphro has the biggest numbers

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:30 AM

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exactly - combine that with athenas curse and her duo with artemis, maybe artemis dash if you go pure damage

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on the other hand maybe its athenas dash to trigger the duo already

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and on top maybe even the crit damage increases(from the other involved duo and artemis alone)

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:32 AM

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I don't bother going for privileged status, just Artemis dash, Artemis attack or aphro attack (depends on who I get first) and maybe the duo boon

blissful sedge Dec 9, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Jolted is pretty good imo. It's pretty much an always-on curse

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Oh and support fire

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Support fire is just free damage on rail

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:32 AM

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i only take support fire if i go quick fire, not shotgun

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 1:33 AM

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pretty sure support fire counts every bullet that hits as a success

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take it on both lol :p

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 1:33 AM

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I mean I don't usually care much for either on hestia

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I just go explosive fire

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:33 AM

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explosive is always amazing

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 1:34 AM

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I'm almost always taking Explosive and Spread Fire when offered

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:34 AM

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so much better than piercing

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for quick fire and shotgun

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Spread Fire is what makes the Poison work tbh. Without it, Poison isnt bad but not great.

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you instantly apply 5 stacks (8 with low tolerance) on a dash attack.

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:35 AM

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its no problem to apply max stacks with quick fire without danger

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then maybe aphro cast

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 1:35 AM

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and if the target is already weak, you trigger privileged status on the first bullet, so the 2nd round (and I think the remaining 4 bullets of the first round) you get it for every bullet.

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Eris will always stack on the end, so if you managed to do 15 damage per bullet, automatically increase that by 60% per bullet which is 9 extra damage per bullet.

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so you get the damage of something like an aphro attack but the added bonus of the poison dot damage

wind vale Dec 9, 2019, 1:36 AM

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minus the time wasted to get the buff

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 1:37 AM

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eh, nah that doesnt have an issue

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drop the buff on an enemy and zoom up to them

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this is why I take explosive fire, you walk up as it lands and blast them in the face, they cant retaliate and you get a full combo off

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putting aphro on the special is great too cause then you buff your special damage at an insane rate with Eris

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It requires a playstyle where you're constantly using the bombs while attacking at a decent rhythm (how the rail was played before the big bad update and aspects)

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Hestia isnt bad but I find the constant manual reloading annoying, and the fact that I miss half my Hestia shots means im wasting the potential of my aspect.

tacit jetty Dec 9, 2019, 1:42 AM

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Yeah Hestia's gameplay is too clunky for me, and I just haven't found a build I really enjoy for Eris. So there sits the Adamant Rail, collecting dust just like it was doing before Achilles dug it up for me lol

mild crag Dec 9, 2019, 2:03 AM

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hestia is bestia smugdancing

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allows for so much freedom in builds since it carries you up to like elysium just by itself

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so you can take certain boons which are not good now but will be good later

tacit jetty Dec 9, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Lol, I suppose it's a good sign when one person's least favorite weapon is another's favorite

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Incidentally, I don't see many people talk about the Shield aspects, but I personally find Chaos Aegis to be the most enjoyable way to play the game

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 2:39 AM

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~~i despise the shield lol~~

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not because I dont like it. I find it makes the game too easy

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 2:40 AM

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The problem I have with shield aspects is that they're both kinda bad because they focus on shields by far weakest aspect, it's awful special

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 2:41 AM

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they make the special much better but the primary attack of the shield didnt need the buff lol, that's why its on the special

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 2:41 AM

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Zeus is technically better than regular shield since the special is free and doesnt lock you out of attacking, but it's so minor

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 2:41 AM

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whenever i use the shield i find im able to play so sloppy i can do just about anything, so I dislike using it. Its more a personal preference. Sure its fun to play, but I don't find it as challenging as any other weapon.

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 2:41 AM

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The problem is that they don't really salvage the special

native ether Dec 9, 2019, 2:42 AM

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depends on how you build your special

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build it with doom and chaos shield and you could debuff a whole room with it

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Which is still worse than just bullrush spamming

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A lot worse, even

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I did pick up Ares on shield special a couple times (was looking for his call, didn't get it offered) and every time I used it I was immediately reminded of why it sucks

tacit jetty Dec 9, 2019, 2:45 AM

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I like Chaos aspect with Zeus on special, and I often take Athena on my attack so my playstyle revolves less around spamming the bullrush, but rather timing it correctly

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 2:45 AM

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And that's the only special boon you can reasonably taken on it

tacit jetty Dec 9, 2019, 2:46 AM

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Artemis works too with Athena on attack

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 2:46 AM

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Its a slow firing, extremely low damage skill, which is suboptimal to say the least

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100% extra damage on 60 damage is amazing

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On 15? Not so much

tacit jetty Dec 9, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Yeah but it's five different instances of 15 damage, which overall have a better chance of critting than one big hit

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Thing is even then, in the time you can fire one five-shot of specials, spear special for example can use 3 or even 4

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Or hell, you can minotaur rush for 300 damage twice

tacit jetty Dec 9, 2019, 2:52 AM

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With the Chaos aspect there is basically 0 downtime between throwing the special and being able to charge (there are a few cases in the recent patch where that's been a problem and I do agree it remains a problem overall), and there's nothing stopping you from taking Minotaur rush on that aspect and using both to have a good time

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As for the spear...the spear doesn't let you facetank Asterius charges and return the favor lol

hard holly Dec 9, 2019, 2:53 AM

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The only way I can see you having 0 downtime is one of the specials hits no enemies and just bounces into a wall and right back to you

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And there isn't anything stopping me from doing that, but the thing is

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I'm not gonna disable my minotaur rush for a bit to throw a practically useless special barrage

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I'm just gonna keep minotaur rushing

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Hence why chaos aspect is gonna be the last weapon I fully level, if I will fully level it at all

kind cloud Dec 9, 2019, 3:44 AM

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zeus greater call is f-ing worthless against hades, w-o-r-t-h-l-e-s-s, i'm never taking that piece of crap boon again

turbid needle Dec 9, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Is that a joke, Cinematic?

kind cloud Dec 9, 2019, 3:47 AM

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nope, it was worthless, hades disappeared and it did 0 points of damage to hades, but hey it helped take about 50% of the life of the one armored sphere that spits out butterflies,

turbid needle Dec 9, 2019, 3:48 AM

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I'm sorry your timing didn't line up.

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It happens, I really wish Hades just didn't go invisible.

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Zeus' Aid is one of the best DPS Calls in the game.

kind cloud Dec 9, 2019, 3:49 AM

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even if it's a timing issue, what's preventing hades from pulling his disappearing act to evade the greater call?
is that part of his algorithmic script?

turbid needle Dec 9, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Like, specifically every time a GC goes off?

kind cloud Dec 9, 2019, 3:49 AM

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yea

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aphrodite has an awesome greater call (2500 of damage) so couldnt hades just disappear to escape it?

turbid needle Dec 9, 2019, 3:50 AM

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That'd be super annoying, but I can see it being a counter mechanic, but that doesn't mean Zeus' is bad by itself because of it.

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That would make all Greater Calls worse against Hades.

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For that reason if I've got a Call that's useful in single levels I tend to use it liberally in the first phase and save a Greater Call for phase 2 of phase 2.

kind cloud Dec 9, 2019, 3:52 AM

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the only time i've had a timing issue with aphrodite's greater call is with the asphodel boss which has the 3 impervious shields, i've mistimed her gc so it targeted one of the smaller heads

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also, does the gc count as "one instance" of damage? so when the enemies have 2 blue hearts, does it only knock one of the hearts off or does it blow past the 2 hearts and wipe out someone? just curious...

turbid needle Dec 9, 2019, 3:53 AM

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Aphrodite's? One instance.

kind cloud Dec 9, 2019, 3:54 AM

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lol, damn
means I have to place a premium on knocking the 2 blue hearts off and then using the gc

turbid needle Dec 9, 2019, 3:54 AM

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That's part of playing with Heat.

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I don't get how this all links back to "Zeus' Aid is a worthless pick."

kind cloud Dec 9, 2019, 3:55 AM

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yea, i've made that mistake a few times with 1 stage or 2 stage calls.

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I don't get how this all links back to "Zeus' Aid is a worthless pick."
oh, i've moved on from that, since we're on the topic of (greater) calls I was asking more questions about calls in general versus different scenarios.

turbid needle Dec 9, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Gotcha.

kind cloud Dec 9, 2019, 3:56 AM

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but please explain what makes zeus' greater call special?

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is there a status associated with it (like jolted)?

turbid needle Dec 9, 2019, 3:56 AM

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It's very hard hitting and hits very rapidly.

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Yeah, you can also get Static Discharge for Jolted.

kind cloud Dec 9, 2019, 3:57 AM

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well, it didn't even wipe out the armored sphere with butterflies so i'm kinda skeptical right now...when hades disappeared, i dashed over to the sphere and it only got through the armored part

/shrug

turbid needle Dec 9, 2019, 3:58 AM

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It's not super long range, but it also tracks very aggressively, and with wider lightning bolts it's a crowd clearer+boss killer.

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Was it in the lightning for all nine seconds?

kind cloud Dec 9, 2019, 3:58 AM

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hmmm...i didnt get the impression the bolts were wider, i'll have to pay more attention to it next time.

turbid needle Dec 9, 2019, 3:58 AM

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It's a separate boon.

kind cloud Dec 9, 2019, 3:58 AM

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maybe it just made a bad first impression because of timing.

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@turbid needle ah that makes sense

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i dont know what to do with the ambrosia other than exchange it for titan blood, is there a mechanic i'm missing?

turbid needle Dec 9, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Super gifting. You know how you were giving Ambrosia (now Nectar) to a bunch of characters? Keep playing and you should get opportunities to give a few characters Vintage Ambrosia.

kind cloud Dec 9, 2019, 4:04 AM

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got it, yeah i watched the dev stream and amir mentioned it but didnt go into detail, i keep waiting for prompts but nothing so far in about 5 runs after the new update.

thanks @turbid needle.

blissful sedge Dec 9, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Are Infernal Gates still on 5 and 10?

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etc

turbid needle Dec 9, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Yup.

wet dagger Dec 9, 2019, 5:47 AM

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That feel when you full-bar Aphrodite's Call on Hades, he blocks it and talks of that meddlesome goddess..... shadedisgruntled

empty canopy Dec 9, 2019, 5:52 AM

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I feel like Hades will have nothing good to say about any of the gods

hybrid frost Dec 9, 2019, 5:52 AM

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So I'm trying to get Chaos's legendary boon for the Fated Prophecy list, but it won't ever show up, even when I'm carrying the Cosmic Egg to boost rarity.
This was the run where I thought I'd get it:
https://ibb.co/6s33MJN
5 Chaos boons...and none of them are the Legendary. shadedisgruntled

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Hades-00187

Image Hades-00187 in Jonathan Richardson's images album

wary jacinth Dec 9, 2019, 5:56 AM

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what does chaos' legendary boon do?

hybrid frost Dec 9, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Gives you 1 extra DD.

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It's the only way outside of Skelly's keepsake to get over 3 Death's Defiance.

wary jacinth Dec 9, 2019, 6:00 AM

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@hybrid frost Thanks

inland pebble Dec 9, 2019, 6:06 AM

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I mean, is it even available to get it atm? Has anybody seen it?

turbid needle Dec 9, 2019, 6:13 AM

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I believe people have, yes.

frosty pier Dec 9, 2019, 6:16 AM

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Yes, it is not a myth.

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I'm actually starting to feel dumb for not taking it that one time

brisk island Dec 9, 2019, 6:43 AM

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Buffed ||"After Party (Dionysus Boon)"|| now so amazingly powerful, might be even imbalanced by now... especially ||Heroic, yes it is exists.|| l'm think better reduce its power level by 10-15%.
P.s. ||l'm think imbalanced because - at high health because it literally a crutch for room clearing. And even against bosses, but with less effective.||
Added spoilers in case if someone likes discover game on his own.

woeful stirrup Dec 9, 2019, 6:55 AM

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It's really powerful, but in most cases it's a useless boon for boss fights. There's not much of a chance you'll be below 50% health just before the last boss, unless you farm after the satyr sack despite knowing you're not prepared for it.

pure basin Dec 9, 2019, 8:56 AM

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hey, i’m fairly new and i was wondering which weapon is best suited for beginners

strong shore Dec 9, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Is there any good boon combination for cast except all Artemis? I’m getting a bit tired to the green after all these runs

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I think it depends, for me the blade was the easiest to use, but it seems like a lot of people like the railgun and the shield better as starter.

wanton niche Dec 9, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Shield's a good one with the ability to block attacks

pure basin Dec 9, 2019, 9:16 AM

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thank you guys!

atomic panther Dec 9, 2019, 9:30 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/653528879415164929/unknown.png
I walked in to Styx without any Artemis boons. I spent all my rerolls but I got her legendary before I walked out

frank fern Dec 9, 2019, 9:33 AM

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shield is easy play mode - im still "bringing up" my chaos heat runs but im at 16 right now and its still cheap

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im positive 20+ is non issue even for n old man 😄

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charge, spam the crowd with your doom effect or poision dot

atomic panther Dec 9, 2019, 9:38 AM

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I... legit forgot to use Mort. The entire run

feral wagon Dec 9, 2019, 9:40 AM

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from my understand bow is the easiest

strong shore Dec 9, 2019, 9:40 AM

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Yeah, it’s really easy to forget mort for me too, and I use mort kinda more for the dialogue, since enemies are always running around and all that

feral wagon Dec 9, 2019, 9:40 AM

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as for me, i just choose the auto aim special and invest my keepsake into afrodite, peace of cake

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searching for 50% more shoots from hammer, no charge also fine

frank fern Dec 9, 2019, 9:43 AM

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chiron is nerfed but still strong

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its +4 arrow now ... not 50% 😭

strong shore Dec 9, 2019, 9:46 AM

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I switched to hera after chrion got nerfed, but chrion is still rlly good

frank fern Dec 9, 2019, 9:53 AM

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if you abuse poision you dont really see much of the nerf at all after getting the hammer tbh

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8 stacks dot with 1 special - dead

feral wagon Dec 9, 2019, 10:06 AM

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oh my gosh

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just encounter "barge of death" with punishment which force you to face more foes and chaos boon in progress with +73% more enemies via encounters

strong shore Dec 9, 2019, 10:07 AM

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Don’t really take poison boons, but I’ll try the set next run

feral wagon Dec 9, 2019, 10:09 AM

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i dont like poison on bow since you can really make an OP burst dmg

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there is no need to stack up poison

frosty pier Dec 9, 2019, 10:10 AM

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Poison is good with Rail or a spear, maybe on a sword with some hammer

strong shore Dec 9, 2019, 10:11 AM

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Yeah I usually do poison with rail

bitter solstice Dec 9, 2019, 10:11 AM

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tried out the chaos aspect on the shield for the first time on heat 7.
never tried it before cause I dont like the shield charge.
But man that aspect is a lot of fun

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And poison is also good on the bow aspect that makes the special home in.

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you get insta max poison with it

feral wagon Dec 9, 2019, 10:12 AM

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all you need to do is got afrodite special, and 50% more shoots from special via hammer, hermes also positive, but not necessesery, also at list 1 chaos boon to boost you special, and there you are. quite overpowered, but not god. but since there is afrodite we are talking about, all you need to be lucky getting boons upgrade from chaos and finger cross getting afrodite legendary, which charm, there you are, the god of love

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ah forgot to mention. works only with aspect which "home in"

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but this afrodite legendary really need to be nerfed

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it works on bosses pretty good, if you have any kind of fast atacks. like flurry for spear or sword. home in bow also fine

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you simply can be stayin in one place, and atack, this legendary boon will do all the work for you

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works out thee to four times of five

frank fern Dec 9, 2019, 10:26 AM

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+4 arrow not 50% .... so its 10 arrows now not like 13 before 😄

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6+4 (new) 9*1,5 (old)

feral wagon Dec 9, 2019, 10:28 AM

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https://puu.sh/ENukq/2062b5e3a6.png

frank fern Dec 9, 2019, 10:28 AM

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old patch version?

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its +4 arrows now

bitter solstice Dec 9, 2019, 10:29 AM

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ye

feral wagon Dec 9, 2019, 10:29 AM

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ow i might update then

frank fern Dec 9, 2019, 10:29 AM

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chiron got nerfed quite a bit

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still strong

feral wagon Dec 9, 2019, 10:32 AM

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are you guys sure you are not beta testers or something, its not giving me an update

strong shore Dec 9, 2019, 10:32 AM

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Yeah. But the nerf really got me to try the other weapons, which is super fun

frank fern Dec 9, 2019, 10:33 AM

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hey admins i want that guys verion of the game or his bow! - no nothing special here

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it was 2 days ago?

strong shore Dec 9, 2019, 10:34 AM

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It was only 2 days ago? God I’ve been playing way too much

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My game automatically updated though

frank fern Dec 9, 2019, 10:34 PM

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this feeling if you beat the duo on TD and 18 heat with 4 seconds left ... hell not even touching bonus time /cheer

blissful sedge Dec 10, 2019, 2:51 AM

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So, I'm surprised to see people disagreeing about the overlap from Acorn and Spearpoint. Do you guys really think they serve significantly different purposes? Regardless of which one is better, the overlap on what they do is undeniable.

manic ermine Dec 10, 2019, 3:00 AM

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I do think acorn is the worst of the defensive trinkets currently, unless you are running increased damage taken

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It could provide a single free block in regular rooms

kind fiber Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I've used it to style on hades for an easier perfect win against him

next bison Dec 10, 2019, 4:20 AM

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heat isn't hot enough, so i've gotten to the point where I eat a chip with ghost pepper salsa on it any time i take dmg in a chamber, and a sip of the salsa itself if I have to use up a death defiance

frosty pier Dec 10, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Wow what a madlad. Are your innards crying for mercy? Or we already past this point?

next bison Dec 10, 2019, 6:08 AM

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we are long past this point in the all nighter

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 6:41 AM

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not sure if im just imagining things but was the chaso aspect for the shield silently changed a bit with the small patch?

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i could swear it now takes the last shield to return after a special until i can attack again while before it was the first

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 10:30 AM

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chaos shield with doom is absurdly strong

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had a weak on the charge + duo yesterday ... poor monsters, even cleared full styx in only "15 seconds overtime"

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best use if found for doom so far

hard holly Dec 10, 2019, 11:42 AM

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Acorn is better than spear point tbh

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In most boss fights, you're not worried about multhits

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But single strong hits

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Guess that's the difference in their purpose too

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 1:08 PM

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i never use acron

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spearpoint makes poison dot in styx harmless (looking at you dart guys!)

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most dangerous thing in styx imho next to hades "death vases" if you run 800% trap damage -.-

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and spearpoint works on everything not just the boss

frosty pier Dec 10, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Oh, that's a nice tip about the poison. Thanks.

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 1:13 PM

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you can even eat the dart at will (does almost no damage, like 1?), trigger your shield, ignore 1-2 big hits, dash for cure

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1 hp lost, free damage window :>

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i usually run -> god 1 -> god 2 -> coins -> spearpoint on a run

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force the skills you want / money / ignore dot

hard holly Dec 10, 2019, 1:41 PM

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I always use acorn

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Mainly because i dont have trouble with the poison

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 1:42 PM

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and this things lasts till phase 2 of hades?

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and absorbs the vases of death?

hard holly Dec 10, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Yes, and no

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I usually dont lose it til the second half of phase 2

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But Vases go through

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 1:54 PM

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so whats the point?

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the vases deal more damage than all of hades combiened 😦

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(and yes im the guy that sits in the cool green pool ... sometimes)

hard holly Dec 10, 2019, 1:55 PM

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They do, but spearpoint also doesnt help with them

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But sometimes you mess up and get hit by his spin, so acorn is nice to have

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 1:56 PM

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spearpoint absorbs it if you trigger it on something else?

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hard to test really . but at least that was my impression

hard holly Dec 10, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Nah

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Oh you mean that

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I guess?

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But its not like anything else you get hit by does less damage than the acorn

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 1:57 PM

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take a tick of laser or some lovley spin 😄

hard holly Dec 10, 2019, 1:57 PM

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I mean Urn

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Spin does 40 damage to me, Urns do 30

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 1:57 PM

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the urns deal 300'?

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30 * 800%

hard holly Dec 10, 2019, 1:57 PM

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... you have maxed out trap damage, havent you

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 1:57 PM

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yep

hard holly Dec 10, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Yeah thats different

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 1:58 PM

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urns are no issue without it

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but the biggest with it

hard holly Dec 10, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Ehh

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I still dont like em

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 1:58 PM

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yeah but they dont really hurt

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im in love n hate with the trap thing

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its easy : just dont sit in something like n f.... idiot ... and hard: because lack of skill ...

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 5:43 PM

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If urns (or any traps) are giving you trouble in Hades, prioritize Sure Footing. At Epic rarity and maximum Heightened Security, they'll be dealing around normal (Heatless) damage.

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In-friggin'-valuable for the EM Hydra fight.

true dock Dec 10, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Finished a run this morning with Chaos shield and a bunch of Zeus boons. Multi-strike and Splitting bolts on 4-shield pinball was hilarious. I was kind of sad that not every shield comes back to be caught. The hammer upgrade with the explosion on catch proccing once was kind of disappointing, but I see why it works that way. No need to be retrieving four shields on every toss lol

terse tiger Dec 10, 2019, 6:02 PM

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does the pact of punishment give a percent increase to darkness gained from boss encounters that we already have the bounty for?

atomic panther Dec 10, 2019, 6:02 PM

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No

terse tiger Dec 10, 2019, 6:04 PM

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hmm.. any effective way to grind darkness now? it seems like it is much harder to gain darkness in bulk for more rerolls.

proud storm Dec 10, 2019, 6:06 PM

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visit chaos for eclipse boons

atomic panther Dec 10, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Equip Poseidon keepsake and rush Ocean's Bounty

proud storm Dec 10, 2019, 6:06 PM

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or try to find poseidon and oceans bounty

prime berry Dec 10, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Do you guys recommend a controller or mouse and keyboard?

copper berry Dec 10, 2019, 6:56 PM

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I prefer controller, since you have 360 degrees of freedom with movement.

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And most Supergiant games are better with controller 🙂

errant narwhal Dec 10, 2019, 6:57 PM

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i know the game recommends a controller, personally i play with KBM bc its what im used to and i havent encountered any problems tho! combat is very smooth

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 6:57 PM

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much prefer mouse and keyboard for better control - controller would be for more casual/relaxed approach

hard holly Dec 10, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Controller is what I use as well

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Auto-aim makes the ranged weapons still quickly aimable

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While the freedom of movement is superior

somber epoch Dec 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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I find controller is best except for rail

green birch Dec 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Third eye play format: mobile

copper berry Dec 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Plus if you want complete freedom with dashing on M+K, I believe you have to enable the option that has you dash at your mouse, but then you can't dash in one direction and attack in another quite as quickly.

hard holly Dec 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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I still prefer it on rail because of how important movement is ~~and how unimportant the special usually is~~

somber epoch Dec 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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@green birch you use each phone as one button

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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that assumes you are comfortable using m&k(meaning disabling autoaim) - more control for rail/bow/spear

hard holly Dec 10, 2019, 6:59 PM

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But yeah, both are viable

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Though from my observation, I believe Controller is slightly more popular

copper berry Dec 10, 2019, 6:59 PM

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The auto-aim is something I have really enjoyed. And as Owen mentioned, the only disadvantage I have felt is with the aiming of attacks like the Rail special or some Casts

hard holly Dec 10, 2019, 7:00 PM

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By some you mean exactly Dios, right?

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Which Id personally say is the weakest one anyway

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 7:00 PM

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spear special; bow explosive shots/ rail explosive fire - i often intentionally aim differently than autoaim would

hard holly Dec 10, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Eh, Ive never been in a situation where spear special aimed incorrectly because of autoaim

copper berry Dec 10, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Yes I mean exactly Dio's

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 7:02 PM

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i play achilles so much - maybe a bit less otherwise

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i totally forgot dio casts since i only play them in heras bow now 😄

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which i also aim different to autoaim because of it

stiff seal Dec 10, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Is there a way to get more gemstones? Because some of those upgrades are really rather pricy.

copper berry Dec 10, 2019, 7:11 PM

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You can trade with the Broker if you have excess amounts of other resources.

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Though I am not sure how often he offers such a deal.

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 7:31 PM

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hmm - not sure - should random nectar from chests give the pom effect if upgraded now that that one gained from dionysus premium vintage does as well? (fyi: currently they dont)

plush blaze Dec 10, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Hey friends

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It's been a while since I was here

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How is videos game

green birch Dec 10, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Hi Ship!

plush blaze Dec 10, 2019, 8:06 PM

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heyred

green birch Dec 10, 2019, 8:07 PM

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It has changed a lot-- for the better tho! the latest update has a ton of new story plot elements

plush blaze Dec 10, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Oooh

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I think I did a run or two when the final area was added

green birch Dec 10, 2019, 8:08 PM

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omg, you haven't played Superstar even yet?

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you are in for a Treat

plush blaze Dec 10, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Speedy boy?

pastel jolt Dec 10, 2019, 8:08 PM

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wait, was hermes before or after elysium?

plush blaze Dec 10, 2019, 8:08 PM

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I think I played when hermes was in

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 8:08 PM

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After.

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Beefy, then High Speed.

plush blaze Dec 10, 2019, 8:08 PM

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And I played with his boons before hermes was in the game belfSmug

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Been mostly keeping up with the game from gossip in the speedrun server about strats and stuff

terse tiger Dec 10, 2019, 8:09 PM

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there is a hades speedrun server?

plush blaze Dec 10, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Aye

terse tiger Dec 10, 2019, 8:10 PM

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neat! ive been considering getting into speedrunning hades recently. ill have to check the discord out.

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is it the one linked on speedrun . com?

plush blaze Dec 10, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Yup

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There's usually 3-4 people running each patch

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Hopefully we'll have more people when the game stops updating

terse tiger Dec 10, 2019, 8:14 PM

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yea that would be pretty cool. Do you run it?

elfin pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 8:22 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/EdjSa08.jpg

Imgur

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most legendary/duos i've ever seen, couple reds too

outer nova Dec 10, 2019, 8:47 PM

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best spear aspect?

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 8:48 PM

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there is no best aspect for any weapon(or best weapon for that) there is a best thing for what you want to do with it - and that depends on you

outer nova Dec 10, 2019, 8:49 PM

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i like the spinning attack

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 8:49 PM

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for spear i really like achilles because i like making it a cast build

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spinning could be hades(since it even mentions it) but that only buffs the regular attacks after

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achilles could help increase the spin damage itself but its a bit harder to set up

outer nova Dec 10, 2019, 8:50 PM

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what that aspect does?

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the achilles one i mean

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 8:52 PM

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achilles changes the spear special to teleport you to the location instead of recalling it if you want to(can still recall if needed) and buffs 2 attacks after by a lot(150% at rank 5, less at lower levels)

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so it can be used to buff the spin attack but its a bit harder to play around like i said

outer nova Dec 10, 2019, 8:53 PM

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didnt know that

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thank you very much

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 8:53 PM

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and hades would make your enemies take a lot more damage after they get hit by your spin attack but it doesnt increase the spin attack damage itself

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so no idea what or if you want to use one of them(the normal zagreus one does basically nothing for that playstyle) - its also possible to just continue without focusing on one

outer nova Dec 10, 2019, 8:55 PM

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okey okey

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thanks

tacit jetty Dec 10, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Hades Aspect buffs the damage on your Special also, so you can use that to set up some pretty high damage combos with the right boons

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 8:59 PM

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I actually just had a Hunting Blades run with Achilles Aspect.

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It's pretty crazy powerful as you might imagine. I think it was level 2 Rare Blade Rifts with Flurry Cast, Greater Recall, and Burst Shot.

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 9:00 PM

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yea thats my favourite with the spear as well 😄

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Ugh, giving up Unhealthy Fixation.

naive cobalt Dec 10, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Anybody know what happens if Aphrodite's Legendary charms Skelly?

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 9:24 PM

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skelly loves you a lot?

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Skelly hasn't had his attack activated before, but now Charmed, he'll attack enemies.

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His hits just leave a line of 9s stretching across the screen.

subtle shale Dec 10, 2019, 10:00 PM

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so is it just me or are some God Trials just absolute hell with the sword?

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 10:01 PM

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If you are playing melee and you ever displease Dionysus or Ares you're braver than I.

subtle shale Dec 10, 2019, 10:01 PM

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yeah I just got on Dio's bad side and that was

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interesting

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Athena is also not great, but that's because enemy invulnerability is always a pain.

subtle shale Dec 10, 2019, 10:01 PM

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at least it's temporary

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unlike the awful Bastion modifier that made literally everything reflect whenever it wanted

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 10:02 PM

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...I didn't mess with Idols in Bastion much and now I'm glad I didn't.

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It didn't reflect melee damage, did it?

subtle shale Dec 10, 2019, 10:02 PM

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some Idols in Bastion are fun, but a lot of them are bad

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I think it could, yes

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there was also a totally separate Idol that made enemies randomly become invul

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and then another one which made you take contact damage from everything

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which made melee all but worthless if you ran those

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but yeah Dio with sword is....

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I also have definitely noticed Hades' laser spam has wonky hitboxes

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Big AOE Q for sword and you can cry on Ares and Dionysus with hitting them slowly from far away~

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Tho if you get that artemis crit buff going for it then it doesn't even matter

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Temple of Styx: Daedalus Hammers no longer offered as rewards for the clearing mini-boss chambers -- that means skull rooms in styx should never have hammers anymore, right?

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just asking before i f10 it

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 10:10 PM

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i had a hammer too now ... it forced me a second hammer all the time

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even on rerolls

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never saw this if i took 2 hammers before

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(cast sword doesnt need a freaking second hammer - thx) ^^

subtle shale Dec 10, 2019, 10:11 PM

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I got hammer in Styx earlier as well though it wasn’t a miniboss chamber

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 10:11 PM

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cast spear doesnt need one at all

subtle shale Dec 10, 2019, 10:11 PM

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I didn’t take a second hammer til then either

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 10:11 PM

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maybe you get it if you didnt take 2 before

subtle shale Dec 10, 2019, 10:11 PM

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That’s what I’m thinking

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 10:11 PM

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its TWO not one, not zero, not three .... TWO ^^

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

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and i have seen lots of hammers there, just not 3rd ones and as i said it shouldnt be in skull rooms anymore as i understand

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

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i liked tripple hammer before on some runs

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

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I feel the spear Q is kind of redundant

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

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dont know why they killed it

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gold is now a lot less usefull in styx

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you dont need poms most of the time, so its just hermes and maybe a hearth if you are unlucky with boons offered

sinful adder Dec 10, 2019, 10:43 PM

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Do you think Supergiant is going to give a nice enclypedia of good run boons that go super well together? I saw some speedrunner playing, and the way he would re-roll stuff just to get some legendary because he knew what goes with what, was super nice, but I mean I have no idea about those

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 10:44 PM

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there is an wiki with all the "pre boons"

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and if you watch speedrunning you usually see seed fishing

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this guys know what the seed will roll when at least for the first chambers (what is enough to make your build work)

brittle vault Dec 10, 2019, 10:50 PM

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wait, does lava count as a trap?

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 10:50 PM

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yes

brittle vault Dec 10, 2019, 10:51 PM

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well, that's one pact option i'm never using

frank fern Dec 10, 2019, 10:51 PM

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you burned your feet?

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dont touch the vases on hades 😄

brittle vault Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 PM

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it's the asphodel lava that gets me. i can't seem to stay off it. especially in the hydra fight

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 PM

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You have Extreme Measures yet?

brittle vault Dec 10, 2019, 10:55 PM

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yeah

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 10:57 PM

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If you see Sure Footing from Athena, take it.

wind vale Dec 10, 2019, 11:15 PM

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hmm - currently with nice hunting blades at the final boss - its one thing to just accidentally kill the adds when attacking the boss but another to do that to the boss when killing the adds 😄

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(well or pushing him to next phase)

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:36 PM

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What is the best way to get duo boons? just stack different boons and they are bound to show?

somber epoch Dec 10, 2019, 11:37 PM

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there are certain duo boons

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the wiki should gave them all

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:37 PM

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I know, I am looking for ways to actively get them easier

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if any conditions need to be met

somber epoch Dec 10, 2019, 11:37 PM

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no

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just have boons from both gods

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the more boons from each the better

steel shoal Dec 10, 2019, 11:38 PM

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Is it me or is the bow kinda underpowered?

I mean I’ve only been playing the game for 3 hours or so, but it seems to be weak compared to spear/sword

somber epoch Dec 10, 2019, 11:38 PM

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just powershot until the end of time

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build crit and it does massive damage

steel shoal Dec 10, 2019, 11:39 PM

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The thing is that it looks me in place

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Get artemis on it

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And Q them up close

somber epoch Dec 10, 2019, 11:39 PM

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you can always dash out of attacking

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:39 PM

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hahaa

somber epoch Dec 10, 2019, 11:40 PM

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lapis you dont even know the beauty of the bow special

steel shoal Dec 10, 2019, 11:40 PM

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And it makes your red crystal a little bit redundant

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And it’s alternative fire is kinda meh

somber epoch Dec 10, 2019, 11:40 PM

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yeah the base special is meh

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but there are ways to make it much cooler

steel shoal Dec 10, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Will I get triple dash later in the game?

somber epoch Dec 10, 2019, 11:41 PM

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no, just like the best mario kart game it's double dash only

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Oh I know the bow

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I just like to go up in the faces of enemies

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And Q

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And see the many numbers

somber epoch Dec 10, 2019, 11:41 PM

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yeah but do you have weapon aspects unlocked

steel shoal Dec 10, 2019, 11:41 PM

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What does Q do?

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:41 PM

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yes lol

steel shoal Dec 10, 2019, 11:41 PM

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I’ve been playing on a pad

somber epoch Dec 10, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Q is special for KBM players

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:41 PM

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There is only 1 bonus dash from mirror slava

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and you can get up to 3+ from epic hermes boon

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I don't know hidden aspects yet

steel shoal Dec 10, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Spear is so satisfying though

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It feels like sword is better

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But spear is so fun to play

somber epoch Dec 10, 2019, 11:42 PM

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bow is really good if you can power shot consistently

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otherwise other weapons might be better suited for someone

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my favorite weapon is shield, though

steel shoal Dec 10, 2019, 11:43 PM

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I haven’t unlocked it yet(

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I’ve got the trinket of Nyx first

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And after that just went for the purple crystals like a madman

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I guess it staggers my progression in the game

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:44 PM

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Shield is easy mode

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literally blocks anything from bosses

oak siren Dec 10, 2019, 11:45 PM

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triple or even fourth dash is possible thanks to hades

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:45 PM

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just get doom on it and dash around with 300 power shots and speed

oak siren Dec 10, 2019, 11:45 PM

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hemres *

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:45 PM

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and watch 3rd boss go poof

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I also always go for athene on dash

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Hermes lol

oak siren Dec 10, 2019, 11:46 PM

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and the bow is OP as hell when u get speed plus poison

somber epoch Dec 10, 2019, 11:46 PM

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i miss heavy slug

oak siren Dec 10, 2019, 11:47 PM

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@sinful sand yeah yeah Hermes just wrong timing on keyboard XD

steel shoal Dec 10, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Poison made dionis my favorite god so far

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Artemis is best girl

steel shoal Dec 10, 2019, 11:47 PM

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I’ve got it and the spear upgrade which changes the charged attack for swift strikes

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Yay

oak siren Dec 10, 2019, 11:48 PM

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i also love Poseidon with his double knockback and additional damage from it
that plus shield is freaking mighty

steel shoal Dec 10, 2019, 11:48 PM

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@sinful sand Medusa is a strong contestant so far

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Never

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Pff

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Eurydice is close 2nd

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What weapon you use fury

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lol

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 11:49 PM

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It sounds like you have Middle Management turned on.

timid iris Dec 10, 2019, 11:49 PM

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rofl

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 11:49 PM

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I'd recommend turning it off until you become comfortable enough to deal with the big waves.

oak siren Dec 10, 2019, 11:49 PM

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@timid iris well.. usaly i get there hit twice or once its all about dashing

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:50 PM

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Just max everything to 45 heat and learn to cope with the sitiuation

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ac_laugh4

oak siren Dec 10, 2019, 11:50 PM

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xDDDD

timid iris Dec 10, 2019, 11:50 PM

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@oak siren when there is like 15 enemies around you and you have bow with a cast focused build, i just don't know what i can do

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Just don't hope you spawn in a room with only skulls

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because that will take a few minutes

steel shoal Dec 10, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Skulls are kinda annoying

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:51 PM

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with blue heart and elite armor

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Oh yeah

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Unless you have shield

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then you just plow through em

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forth and back

somber epoch Dec 10, 2019, 11:52 PM

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dash dash dash i gotta step on the dash

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Just had a fun thought

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 11:52 PM

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I just rediscovered that song recently.

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:52 PM

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What if the bosses gave special boons to choose from once defeated

oak siren Dec 10, 2019, 11:53 PM

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@timid iris i always try to have sth aoe in bow case is usually some perk from Ares or Dionysus on special attacks (Y) that with Athena dash is way out of tight situations like this

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:53 PM

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Any build with spear where that Q can come in handy?

oak siren Dec 10, 2019, 11:53 PM

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@steel shoal but only those with armor normal ones are just cute when u slice them open in one hit

unkempt pagoda Dec 10, 2019, 11:54 PM

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vicious skewer is one contender

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Maximize Zagreus Aspect and Exploding Launcher becomes an "explode on click" machine.

oak siren Dec 10, 2019, 11:54 PM

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@sinful sand whats that on controller? XD

unkempt pagoda Dec 10, 2019, 11:54 PM

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not quite the legend it was, but it's pretty good, especially with zag aspect

turbid needle Dec 10, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Triangle or Y.

oak siren Dec 10, 2019, 11:54 PM

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i had one niiiiiice last game

sinful sand Dec 10, 2019, 11:54 PM

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It is throwing spear

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When you gain that crit build with armor destruction on top, then it is just mhm mhm mhm seeing the enemies first bar melt

oak siren Dec 10, 2019, 11:56 PM

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additional damage from dedal hammer for armor, normal damage and multi target plus Dionysus posion poison

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u can also went for sth from Aphrodite and make duo on poison plus weakness

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and yeah crit from artemis would be also nice but that would be almost impossible to get xDD

sinful sand Dec 11, 2019, 12:00 AM

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I think actually that epic bayblde from Ares ult is the best ult there is

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 12:00 AM

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also m'I the only one who thinks that wearables from goods should make them appear more often ?

sinful sand Dec 11, 2019, 12:00 AM

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It can really hurt and goes for 2.5 sec immunity

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 12:00 AM

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i dont usally go fot the Gods aid as it stacks up sooooo long

sinful sand Dec 11, 2019, 12:01 AM

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It can be fun with ares bayblading on Hades

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You should try it on his 2nd phase

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Just bayblade when he laser

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 12:01 AM

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yeah this laser is freaking panful

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but i like ares special attack addition when it hit like 150 after few sec

sinful sand Dec 11, 2019, 12:03 AM

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bayblade it up

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dab

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and pom it

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 12:03 AM

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i also tried once stack up 5 crystals and went with ares skill blades all over the place... but dont work on bigger maps that well :/

sinful sand Dec 11, 2019, 12:03 AM

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and if we can get the god gadge one that fills with like 40%+

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from start

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oof

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 12:58 AM

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which God is the weakest for u? I cant decide between Zeus and Aphrodite

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 1:00 AM

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Poseidon.

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Aphrodite is the strongest in the game.

last nacelle Dec 11, 2019, 1:07 AM

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Does the kill count race with Thanatos even really exist as a factor in that event? Like, if you didn't have to get more kills to receive the reward, would people even play it differently?

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Without it or Tight Deadline, players could run from enemies entirely and wait for Than to invincibly kill all the enemies at no risk to themselves.

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 1:17 AM

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@turbid needle i actually really like Poseidon - invincibility + super speed during god aid, nice knock back with massive damage on normal attacks (I was able to get around 400 on 1 hit + poison).
Aphrodite... this week dont really speaks to me

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 1:20 AM

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Aphrodite gives much more damage on her attacks and has unquestionably the best Status Curse in the game on everything by default in Weak. She gives arguably the best defensive boosts (only Athena's DD replenishes and ability to negate damage entirely compete in that regard) and arguably the best offensive boosts (Artemis outdamages with crits, but Aphrodite isn't RNG-reliant and provides easy Privileged Status) all in one.

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 1:21 AM

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so i guess i will have to try again Aphrodite next time

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 1:23 AM

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yea aphrodite is the highest damage% and has ways to combine with others to increase that even more(get crit and aphro artemis duo for example -> aphro as main attack and artemis/athena supporting it)

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alternatively aphro on hard hitting attack and poison on quick to combine with their duo

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its really easy to get privileged status from it

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on a similar note: im currently in chamber 4 of a new run - already got a lvl5 epic aphrodite special(going for eris triple rocket gun)

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the nectar upgrade is just silly early on

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 1:27 AM

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nectar?

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btw than what guys u play with Aphrodite wearable to gain better perks?

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 1:29 AM

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the yellow bottles you get as a room reward to gift ppl - used to be called ambrosia but thats something new now

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Nectar.

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Oh yeah

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 1:30 AM

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not sure i understand what you mean with the wearable question

somber epoch Dec 11, 2019, 1:31 AM

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He means keepsake

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Yeah

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 1:33 AM

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oh i didnt use anything for that - currently the coin purse - but yea the keepsake just increases the chance for higher rarity same with the later mirror upgrades - so you see lots more higher rarity boons

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but getting the right ones and epic rarity is still rng

oak siren Dec 11, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Kk

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Well thx i will try it out

bronze trench Dec 11, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Is it just me or is Ares really bad for base boons? the general +10% damage is alright. Doom and rifts are decent damage but lack in utility, especially since they don't work well with privileged status (+50% damage for 2 status effects)

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:19 AM

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His call and cast are good, Urge to Kill is ok, most of the rest is kind of bad though, yeah

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:21 AM

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the damage on all his doom effects is really high - it just separates the attack and damage so you cant stack the damage from it as easily

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Its high in a vacuum, but

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Since it cant be further amplified, doesnt benefit from hammers or crit (other than pressure point which is lackluster), and since it has a minimum interval

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It often ends up being lower damage, ontop of having no utility

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:22 AM

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it just shifts how it can be stacked

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:22 AM

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Merciful End is the strongest Duo in the game.

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:22 AM

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and everything comes from ares

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and yes merciful end is probably the 2nd strongest duo

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Wait, so if you had athena attack

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:23 AM

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I like Hunting Blades more, and it's safer, but Merciful End has higher DPS.

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Every single hit would instantly trigger Doom?

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:23 AM

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No, Divine Dash.

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:23 AM

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oh right hunting blades - then its 3rd, sorry

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Or do you have to put Doom on the enemy first

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Then hit with a deflecting attack?

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Set Doom first.

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Oh

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Thats a lot worse than I was hoping then

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:24 AM

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its doom the deflect attack so like attack, then dash over

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:24 AM

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And the damage is set to 90, or increased by 90?

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:24 AM

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buff doom with impending doom

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:24 AM

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60, it's been nerfed a few times.

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:24 AM

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increased by

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:24 AM

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I see

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Well, then I cant say Im terribly impressed?

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Usually you get one attack per dash anyway, and at that point Id usually rather have Artemis Dash than Merciful End

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:25 AM

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It's very widely considered the best DPS in the game when you have Curse of Agony/Pain and Divine Dash.

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:26 AM

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also - if you can get crit with it - the dash can both activate the doom and the crit chance from artemis athena duo but thats taking a lot to get there

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:26 AM

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I just dont see how doing, lets see

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300 extra damage per dash?

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Is comparable to Hestia Rails 600+

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:26 AM

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No, more like 600.

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:27 AM

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How is it 600, its 60 from end and like, 200 from a buffed up doom, no?

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:27 AM

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Do you never pick up Poms?

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:27 AM

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Thats what I meant by "buffed up"

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:27 AM

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and +90% from impending

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and privileged status

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and crit

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:28 AM

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Level 2 Epic Doom hits about 160, increased by a further 80 with Privileged Status and another 140-150 from Impending Doom, putting us just around 400.

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:28 AM

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depends if you use attack or special as well ofc

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:28 AM

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That's probably hitting about three times a second or more if you've got Attack/Special -> Dash.

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:29 AM

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Wait whats giving privileged status here

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:29 AM

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Blinding Flash on Divine Dash.

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:29 AM

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The Athena boon?

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:29 AM

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doom and lets say exposed

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:29 AM

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You get the damage bonus as Divine Dash sets off Doom.

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:29 AM

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Alright

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Alright, that seems to about line up

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Still thats 400, and I cant think of any special fast enough to do this 3 times per second

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:30 AM

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i really only pick up that athena curse for the status, never its actual use, lol

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:30 AM

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Explosive launcher is the fastest and Im not sure it even manages to quite get 2

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Though I guess you cant attack 3 times per second either

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Still, thats 400 damage, + whatever damage your special regularly does, whereas Rail just hits for 600 with a 15% chance to triple

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Or for 800 without the crit chance

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:31 AM

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You know the Rail isn't hitting nearly as frequently, right?

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:31 AM

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i prefer 40% chance to triple

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:32 AM

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And I'm pretty sure the speedrun WR is on Merciful End.

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Actually, I cant think of any special that is faster than even reload hestia

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:32 AM

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I am unsure whats the name but there is this mini boss stage in Asphodiel where you fight 2 bosses where one turns you into a stone and 1 jumping statue thingy. I find it difficult to beat without taking damage. Any tips for that

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Explosive Launcher maybe, barely

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Focus on killing the gorgon first

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:32 AM

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That's the Megagorgon and Dire Skullcrusher.

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:32 AM

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You cant destroy the projectiles, so strafe around for the volley

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And Dash through the wave

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Well, wave of projectiles

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:33 AM

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I am confused actually

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Then the skullcrusher is easy

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Sometimes I dont take damage from

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Projectiles

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When i dash or attack

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Is it normal

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Dash has i-frames Im pretty sure

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Ahh

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:33 AM

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As for attacks, if you have deflect you can deflect the stones

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Ohh

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Outside of that, shield blocks while charging the rush

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:34 AM

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Is it me or that athene feels really good

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:34 AM

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And has i-frames during the rush

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:34 AM

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Athena

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:34 AM

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She is ok, but her damage numbers are lower than Aphrodite, so I basically dont pick her attack boons

blazing mulch Dec 11, 2019, 2:34 AM

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its ok for most of specials (not spear) , best athena special is Bow

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:35 AM

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And im at work now but i rmb seeing some aspect for shields and rmb there is a special shield multiplier and some shield blitz thing, what is the shield blitz thing aboit

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About

blazing mulch Dec 11, 2019, 2:35 AM

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deflecting with bow special is nut

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:35 AM

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@blazing mulch you mean the bow special that deflects?

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:35 AM

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Yeah I do kinda like athena on bow special

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:35 AM

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I had that on my first bow run and it was the first time i hit hydra stage thanks to it

blazing mulch Dec 11, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Athena boons add deflect effect to most of abilities

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Nevermind me

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Aaanyway

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:37 AM

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I meant Blitz Disk

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:37 AM

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Zeus's Aspect replaces the special with just a stationary AoE field

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I .. think its stationary?

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Im not sure actually

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And it does continous damage on that spot

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Doesnt lock you out of attack as the regular special does

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:37 AM

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Is Chaos Shield aspect better? The chaos is the one that increases the number of shield specials thrown right?

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:38 AM

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They work differently.

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:38 AM

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Some people swear by it

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But Im of the opinion that shields regular special is terrible and shouldnt really be used

blazing mulch Dec 11, 2019, 2:38 AM

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Worth to mention that attacks boons increase also damage of dash attacks. Also Bow have dash attack, its faster attack (load faster) but smaller dmage

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:38 AM

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Some builds work with Chaos more. I really like Chaos, especially with Blight Flourish and Curse of Pain.

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:38 AM

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Zeus's aspect is ok

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It replaces the usually terrible special with one that is mediocre, but doesnt take away your attack

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:39 AM

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Like I dont have much resources left so im thinking whether to get hera aspect or chaos aspect lmfao

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:39 AM

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I ... cant say Im a big fan of Heras aspect either, so eh

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:39 AM

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i really like it but only for dionysus cast

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:39 AM

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I am trying to get one aspect for each weapon first

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:40 AM

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Well, Chiron bow was ok before but got hella nerfed so its probably dead

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So I guess Hera is the better of the 2

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:41 AM

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its still playable but not insane

turbid needle Dec 11, 2019, 2:41 AM

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Chiron is still usable if you spawn into Relentless Barrage.

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But my game bugged and reverted me back to 6 arrows at some point.

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I have not used the bow since.

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:42 AM

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I actually do not know which aspect of each weapon is the best and is it hard to unlock the fourth aspects of each weapons?

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:42 AM

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I never thought it was insane

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:42 AM

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I am still relatively new to the game

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Fourth aspect doesnt exist yet

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:42 AM

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was by far the strongest

ripe osprey Dec 11, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Ahh

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Again, I dont really agree

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I did a couple runs with it

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And even at its best

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It felt inferior to triple shot bow

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The most you could get was what, 18 arrows per special?

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:44 AM

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triple shot is still the 4th best bow for me

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:44 AM

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~~Heathen~~

wind vale Dec 11, 2019, 2:44 AM

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its chiron>hera>twin>triple

hard holly Dec 11, 2019, 2:44 AM

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Anyway, that usually amounted to 180 damage per special, which you could amp up to, idk what was realistic

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+250%?

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535, on a fairly slow fire, with no piercing. Compared to Triple Show Bow which easily did 1k with piercing (though the damage that pierces it is lower obviously) thats not exactly impressive